IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-02-29

00:00 <mweltin> that doesn't run update_versions

00:00 <nickuwo> right

00:00 <nickuwo> oh

00:00 <mweltin> did you run xadd before as well?

00:00 <nickuwo> no, I ran xadd and update_versions, sorry

00:00 <nickuwo> I misunderstood you

00:00 <mweltin> xadd add's platforms

00:00 <mweltin> ok

00:00 <mweltin> cool

00:01 <nickuwo> yea, everything seems good to go, I have a shitload of workunits in my SQL database

00:01 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

00:01 <nickuwo> whoop

00:01 <mweltin> his father is picky

00:01 <nickuwo> so anyway, It seems like I just named something incorrectly, or something

00:04 <mweltin> ok I have to help cook dinner I'll be back very soon.

00:04 <nickuwo> cool

00:04 <mweltin> I think you are right, I think its something simple we are just overlooking

00:04 <mweltin> 10min or so

00:07 <nickuwo> I'm just going to think out loud until you get back :)

00:08 <nickuwo> it's wierd b/c in my SQL database the workunits have names like wu_1203741967_28 not wu_1203741967_28_1_0

00:19 <mweltin> back

00:19 <mweltin> yes those are the workunit names

00:19 <mweltin> the _1_0 and a like are task names

00:19 <nickuwo> i c

00:19 <mweltin> a work unit is replicated into several tasks aka results

00:19 <nickuwo> ok

00:20 <mweltin> it the result or task that is sent the the client.

00:20 <mweltin> I think the default replication is 5

00:20 <nickuwo> ok, not the workunit

00:20 <nickuwo> ok

00:20 <nickuwo> hmm

00:20 <mweltin> but I forget these things easy.

00:20 <mweltin> no

00:20 <Romulus> Smallest example is a popular guy here

00:20 <nickuwo> so this is for validation, correct

00:20 <nickuwo> ?

00:21 <mweltin> yes that is hwat the quorum is for

00:21 <mweltin> lets say you have a replication of 5 and a quorum of 2

00:21 <mweltin> that means

00:21 <mweltin> when you create one workunit

00:21 <mweltin> it gets sent out five times

00:22 <mweltin> if two come back and are validated you get a canonical result

00:22 <nickuwo> right

00:22 <nickuwo> ok

00:23 <mweltin> a canonical result is one of the tasks that is selected to represent all the tasks

00:23 <nickuwo> so my client is missing it's task...

00:24 <nickuwo> so it isn't where it should be on the server?

00:24 <mweltin> not sure yet

00:24 <mweltin> ok dinner is ready

00:25 <nickuwo> but the server doesn't keep tasks... It only keeps the workunits

00:25 <nickuwo> ok

00:25 <mweltin> no check the upload dir

00:25 <nickuwo> ok

00:25 <mweltin> that is where are tasks are.

00:25 <mweltin> it manages all that for you.

00:25 <mweltin> bb soon

00:26 <nickuwo> there's nothing in my upload dir

00:26 <nickuwo> :)

00:26 <nickuwo> ok

00:39 <mweltin> that could be a problem

00:40 <nickuwo> yea

00:40 <mweltin> did you run the bin/dir_hier_path

00:41 <mweltin> when making the work by hand

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00:41 <nickuwo> yea, cp download/input 'bin/dir_hier_path input'

00:41 <nickuwo> i have all the wierd dirs in /download

00:41 <mweltin> ok

00:41 <nickuwo> 5a4

00:41 <nickuwo> etc

00:42 <mweltin> oh ok that makes more sense then

00:42 <mweltin> sorry I forget stuff

00:42 <nickuwo> ?

00:42 <nickuwo> it's all good

00:42 <mweltin> so when results come back they end up in the upload dir

00:43 <nickuwo> thanks for helpin me :)

00:43 <nickuwo> ok

00:43 <nickuwo> hmm

00:43 <mweltin> well I haven't helped yet

00:43 <mweltin> so are there any apps in the download dir?

00:44 <mweltin> my donwload dir has all my apps and then all those strange a5f dirs that hold tasks (i.e replicated workunits)

00:44 <nickuwo> yea, both wrapper and worker are in there along with job.xml and some input files, and those goofy dirs

00:45 <mweltin> good

00:45 <mweltin> does your client show messages where it downloaded them ?

00:46 <nickuwo> no, it doesn't give me any dir or path info...

00:46 <mweltin> it will say something to the effect that is downloaded the app and the work units

00:47 <nickuwo> it downloads the master file

00:47 <nickuwo> now it's not even giving me the error anymore

00:47 <nickuwo> ...

00:47 <nickuwo> keeps getting 0 tasks

00:47 <mweltin> mmmmmm

00:48 <nickuwo> my make_work crapped out on me

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00:50 <mweltin> can I attache to the project ?

00:51 <nickuwo> hmm, probably, lemme open some ports... Don't hack me :)

00:51 <nickuwo> hehe

00:51 <mweltin> dont worrie, I'm nto much of a hacker

00:51 * zombie67 sees NOTHING!

00:52 <zombie67> Sgt. Schultz

00:52 <Romulus> PovAddict, i was into basketball in highschool

00:52 <mweltin> classic

00:52 <nickuwo> is it just port 80?

00:53 <mweltin> yes

00:53 <mweltin> wait are these on linux ?

00:54 <mweltin> i don't have access to my windows box right now.

00:54 <zombie67> i have a win box

00:54 * zombie67 is whistling...

00:54 <nickuwo> ?

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00:54 <zombie67> I am willing to try to run an app/WU if that is needed

00:56 <nickuwo> i don't think it's gonna work because the project was configured such that it thinks it's own address is 192.168.0.107, not my real IP

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00:56 <zombie67> 192.168.0.107...that's an internal IP

00:56 <nickuwo> I just attached to it from the internet, and it keeps trying to refer to itself as 192.168.0.107

00:56 <nickuwo> yea

00:56 <nickuwo> I set it up internally to test it

00:56 <mweltin> thas fine

00:57 <mweltin> my internal address was 108

00:57 <mweltin> I have a wirless router that I port forwarded my isp assigned address to my 108 address.

00:57 <mweltin> it should work fine

00:58 <nickuwo> I mean if you connect to it, it will tell your client that the server's addy is 192.168.0.107, and you won't be able to communicate with it... it's http://69.23.87.122/worker/ if you want to see what I mean

00:58 <Romulus> Title: Test Project (at 69.23.87.122)

00:58 <nickuwo> or maybe it is working...

00:58 <nickuwo> nm

00:59 <nickuwo> :)

01:00 <mweltin> what versin of the server are you useing?

01:00 <nickuwo> which ever version came with this VM

01:00 <nickuwo> prolly kinda old

01:00 <zombie67> I can get to it!

01:00 <nickuwo> should prolly update eh

01:00 <zombie67> want me to try testing anything?

01:00 <nickuwo> sure

01:01 <mweltin> i get an error from my client

01:01 <zombie67> apps are windows?

01:01 <nickuwo> yea

01:01 <zombie67> k

01:01 <zombie67> just a sed

01:01 <zombie67> sec

01:01 <mweltin> missing or bad parameter in user_name

01:02 <nickuwo> uh

01:03 <mweltin> I'm going to the web page to hook this up

01:03 <nickuwo> ok

01:03 <zombie67> attached

01:03 <mweltin> oh wait you said these were win apps

01:03 <nickuwo> oh yea :)

01:03 <mweltin> ok well that counts me out for the moment.

01:03 <nickuwo> hmm

01:03 <zombie67> ugh

01:03 <zombie67> scheduler failed

01:04 <mweltin> so zombie67

01:04 <mweltin> bin/show_shmem

01:04 <mweltin> sorry nickuwo run  bin/show_shmem

01:04 <nickuwo> ok

01:05 <nickuwo> lots of absent

01:05 <Romulus> I'm going to bed now.

01:05 <zombie67> mweltin, you should still be able to do everything, like attach.  just get not work when requested.

01:06 <zombie67> damn slow site

01:06 <nickuwo> ready:1  nwu_results: 100 max_wu_results: 100  then 100 absent things

01:06 <mweltin> yes, create account page is slow to load

01:07 <mweltin> all workunits need a unique name, are they begin given unique names?

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01:07 <nickuwo> not sure, how do i check?

01:07 <zombie67> almost as slow as TSP...oh NM!

01:07 <Wabbit98> anyone watch Lost?

01:07 <mweltin> well when you made them did you give them unique names?

01:07 <mweltin> HAHAHAAHAHAA

01:08 <nickuwo> think so

01:08 <mweltin> good

01:08 <nickuwo> my make_work call should make them with unique names, no?

01:09 <mweltin> -wu_name has to be unique and you do that from the command line.

01:10 <mweltin> when running create_work

01:10 <mweltin> sorry I never used the make work deamon

01:10 <mweltin> no kidding its like tsp in the early days (sloooow)

01:12 <nickuwo> i wonder why that is

01:12 <mweltin> I'm in American Samoa

01:12 <mweltin> everything is slow from here

01:12 <nickuwo> heh

01:12 <Romulus> 2008-02-28 10:47:52 [SETI@home] Deferring scheduler requests for 1 month."

01:12 <Wabbit98> everything is slower in Samoa

01:13 <mweltin> EVERYTHING

01:13 <nickuwo> ok, I made a new workunit... now I have only 1, according to phpmyadmin

01:13 <mweltin> wait you made a new one and you only have one?

01:13 <nickuwo> worker_nodelete is the name

01:13 <nickuwo> ya

01:14 <nickuwo> I deleted the others

01:14 <nickuwo> in phphmyadmin

01:14 <mweltin> ok

01:14 <Wabbit98> mw progress on new apps for TSP?

01:14 <mweltin> yes, infact part of my helping nickuwo is to learn how ot use the wrapper

01:14 <Wabbit98> oh

01:14 <mweltin> I have a full on ACO ready to go, I just have to learn how to wrap it.

01:15 <mweltin> and the GA is building on linux fine

01:15 <Wabbit98> I will leave you two birds alone in your room

01:15 <mweltin> need to test it still

01:15 <Wabbit98> that is why the BOINC ATA group was created

01:15 <Wabbit98> I mean

01:15 <Wabbit98> IGNORE ME!

01:15 <mweltin> ata?

01:16 <mweltin> I often do

01:16 <zombie67> http://pastebin.com/m5c48e9f8

01:16 <Wabbit98> the super secret alpha testers

01:16 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

01:17 <zombie67> The first rule of ATA, don't talk about ATA!

01:17 <Wabbit98> we are like the Jesuits, the shock troops for BOINC

01:17 <mweltin> hahaa

01:17 <Wabbit98> my apologies Lord Zombie

01:17 * zombie67 will consider forgiveness

01:18 <mweltin> ok I did attach to the worker project

01:18 <Wabbit98> the what project?

01:18 <nickuwo> holy shit it just worked for me

01:18 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

01:18 <mweltin> nickuwo,

01:18 <mweltin> nice

01:18 <nickuwo> WA!

01:18 <mweltin> super nice!

01:19 <nickuwo> thats messed up

01:19 <Wabbit98> no work for Cels@Home

01:19 <zombie67> still cannot connect

01:19 <nickuwo> hmm

01:19 <zombie67> I got about 70 creds at cel, and I got willy to add it to BS

01:19 <mweltin> I had to create my account from the website

01:19 <Wabbit98> server status says no work left

01:19 <zombie67> I did the same

01:20 <zombie67> but cannot get the schduler get work.  HTTP file not found

01:20 <nickuwo> I don't know, it's working for me, whatever that means...

01:20 <nickuwo> maybe try reattaching ?

01:20 <zombie67> same IP?

01:20 <mweltin> he is only making one workunit at a time

01:21 <nickuwo> that's true

01:21 <Wabbit98> wow

01:21 <mweltin> what is ntarget results set to

01:21 <Wabbit98> one WU at a time?

01:21 <zombie67> out of work != errors

01:21 <Wabbit98> like making a pie one at a time

01:21 <mweltin> true

01:21 <nickuwo> where is that?

01:21 <zombie67> wabbit, we are talking about a different project

01:21 <Wabbit98> oh

01:21 <zombie67> not cel

01:21 <Wabbit98> I thought cel

01:22 <mweltin> just ignore him zombie67, thats what I do :)

01:22 <nickuwo> actually make_work is working too, so there should always be 10 wu's

01:22 <Wabbit98> what project are we talking about?

01:22 <mweltin> http://69.23.87.122/worker

01:22 <Romulus> Title: Test Project (at 69.23.87.122)

01:22 <nickuwo> I've got a demo wrapper running

01:23 <mweltin> do you have a windows box Wabbit98 ?

01:23 <Wabbit98> yes

01:23 <Romulus> ate up the whole dir..

01:23 <Wabbit98> I am crazy and I have a windoz box

01:23 <Wabbit98> there seems to be a Professor XXX out there somewhere

01:23 <mweltin> perfect try to attach if you want

01:24 <Wabbit98> I shall try

01:24 <mweltin> its working for nickuwo but not zombie

01:24 <Wabbit98> need to create account first

01:24 <mweltin> I had to go to the site to make an account first

01:24 <Wabbit98> so am I

01:24 <Wabbit98> just taking a bit for the site to load

01:25 <mweltin> yeah I had the same thing

01:25 <zombie67> http://pastebin.com/m268719ac

01:25 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

01:25 <Wabbit98> I am #4

01:26 <zombie67> no go

01:26 <zombie67> brb

01:26 <mweltin> is it a perm issue?

01:26 <Wabbit98> attached to project

01:26 <mweltin> nickuwo, check the http error log

01:26 <mweltin> Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

01:27 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:24:56 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

01:27 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:24:57 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.

01:27 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:24:59 PM|worker|Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server

01:27 <nickuwo> k

01:27 <mweltin> that is what zombies client said

01:27 <Wabbit98> but my client attached though

01:27 <Wabbit98> now it can't get work

01:27 <mweltin> its a great sign that it worked for you

01:27 <nickuwo> i think i know why it says that

01:28 <mweltin> so nickuwo what you will find as soon as you get it running is that lots of people will be asking for lots of stuff.

01:28 <nickuwo> because of what I was saying before, how that server thinks it's addy is 192.168.0.107, so it's telling your clients to connect to that address to upload/download more stuff

01:28 <mweltin> my advice have as much done before you launch as possible.

01:29 <Wabbit98> nickuwo, when you click the link "Return to Test Project main page", the url is different than the one posted in here

01:29 <mweltin> Fetching configuration file from http://69.23.87.122/worker/get_project_config.php

01:29 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1bzz> (at 69.23.87.122)

01:29 <nickuwo> I'm actually developing this to run on my university's comps... so I don't have to worrk about anything except the results :)

01:29 <mweltin> whats in the project config file?

01:29 <Wabbit98> wait am I connected to the wrong server?

01:30 <nickuwo> 192.168..0.107 is in the config and the scheduler

01:30 <nickuwo> lemme see if I can change it, 1 sec

01:30 <mweltin> yup that wold be a problem

01:30 <Wabbit98> but your website days differently

01:30 <mweltin> he port forwards from a router

01:30 <Romulus> i did and i have another please ;)

01:31 <Wabbit98> in the web I can not connect to the other IP number

01:31 <zombie67> Appleton, Wisconsin?

01:31 <zombie67> wabbit, slow down

01:32 <zombie67> nick is just trying to get things working.  expect NOTHGIN to work.  We are just trying things out

01:32 <Wabbit98> I am just saying what I am seeing

01:32 <Wabbit98> and if it is working

01:32 <Wabbit98> I expect nothing to work, even me

01:32 <zombie67> I know.  But you jumped on the 192 address.

01:33 <Wabbit98> I didn't know if he knew that yet

01:33 <zombie67> just do what is asked

01:33 <zombie67> no one asked

01:33 <mweltin> well this leads me to belive I migh make this work

01:34 <zombie67> coo

01:36 <nickuwo> hehe

01:36 <nickuwo> good idea

01:36 <zombie67> oh yeah.  To do private messages like that, you need to register with the server.

01:36 <nickuwo> it seems like it's referring to itself in terms of it's internet ip now, so give a try if you'd like

01:37 <nickuwo> hmm

01:37 <mweltin> I have a bunch more input files and lots of out put files and I'm not sure how to deal with them.

01:38 <Wabbit98> nickuwo, 02/28/2008 10:35:55 PM|worker|Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server

01:38 <nickuwo> bummer

01:38 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:35:53 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.

01:38 <nickuwo> i don't know what that's about

01:41 <mweltin> what about your config.xml file?

01:41 <mweltin> is that all square

01:41 <nickuwo> changed all 192 to internet ip

01:41 <nickuwo> pretty sure

01:41 <mweltin> restart the project

01:41 <Wabbit98> wait

01:41 <Wabbit98> I got something

01:41 <nickuwo> heh

01:41 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:39:23 PM|worker|Started download of wrapper_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe

01:41 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:39:23 PM|worker|Started download of job_1.12.xml

01:41 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:39:31 PM|worker|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.  Requesting 1504 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

01:41 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:39:36 PM|worker|Scheduler request succeeded: got 3 new tasks

01:41 <Romulus> as long as there's on dent on your skull

01:41 <Wabbit98> I detached and then reattached to the project

01:42 <Wabbit98> I have about 5 WU's now

01:42 <nickuwo> I'm still getting 192.168.0.107 in my client, so perhaps it hasn't recached

01:42 <nickuwo> or maybe it finally did

01:42 <Wabbit98> okay this is funny

01:43 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:40:07 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

01:43 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:40:07 PM|worker|Temporarily failed download of worker_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe: system connect

01:43 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:40:07 PM|worker|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of worker_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe

01:43 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:40:08 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.

01:43 <Wabbit98> most of it downloaded except for a few last parts

01:43 <nickuwo> huh

01:43 <nickuwo> wierd

01:44 <mweltin> brb

01:44 <zombie67> nick, looks like you have a tester.  I'm calling it a night.  BB tomorrow if you need any more help.

01:44 <nickuwo> sounds good, thanks alot zombie

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01:45 <Wabbit98> yeah two .exe's and one .xml refuse to download right now

01:46 <nickuwo> hmm, perhaps my internet connection is sub-par? i can't get why it would only dl half of it...

01:46 * Wabbit98 shrugs

01:47 <Wabbit98> 02/28/2008 10:44:14 PM|worker|Temporarily failed download of worker_5.10_windows_intelx86.exe: system connect

01:47 <Wabbit98>   <-- that is the error message I am getting

01:47 <nickuwo> uh

01:48 <nickuwo> found it

01:49 <Wabbit98> ?

01:49 <nickuwo> another 192 reference in my database

01:49 <nickuwo> refering to those progs and the xml

01:49 <Wabbit98> do I need to do anything different, like detach and reattach?

01:49 <nickuwo> changed them, so I don't know how often it rechecks the database

01:49 <nickuwo> maybe

01:50 <Wabbit98> okay

01:51 <Wabbit98> lets wait and see what happens

01:51 <Wabbit98> dang it

01:51 <Wabbit98> same stuff still hanging me up and same error messages

01:52 <nickuwo> hmm

01:52 <nickuwo> lemme restart it

01:52 <Wabbit98> worker input is fine

01:52 <Wabbit98> just the .exe and .xml not working

01:53 <nickuwo> I'm pretty sure that's what I changed, so it should work...

01:53 <Wabbit98> did you restart it?

01:53 <nickuwo> yea

01:54 <Wabbit98> it worked

01:54 <nickuwo> :)

01:54 <Wabbit98> everything downloaded successfully

01:54 <Wabbit98> now lets see how the WU does

01:54 <nickuwo> beautiful

01:55 <Wabbit98> just to let you know I run multiple projects on one computer, so do you have checkpointing yet?

01:55 <Romulus> do your names collide?

01:55 <nickuwo> no, this is just a demo prog, it doesn't do anything

01:55 <nickuwo> just tryin to get a feel for it

01:56 <Wabbit98> created team

01:56 <Wabbit98> what are your future plans for BOINC?

01:57 <nickuwo> I'm using it for a reasearch project on ramsey theory. My university is letting me use their 500+ computers all summer

01:58 <Wabbit98> ramsey theory?

01:58 <nickuwo> yea, it's a math problem, there's a good intro article on wikipedia

01:58 <Wabbit98> <--- is a history major

01:58 <nickuwo> hehe

01:58 <nickuwo> it's pretty simple, you'd be able to get it

01:58 <Wabbit98> so little words

01:59 <Wabbit98> so I can try to understand

01:59 <nickuwo> well, you have a "graph" which is just a bunch of points connected to all the other points in the graph by lines, which are one of two colors, say blue and red

02:01 <Wabbit98> okay

02:01 <nickuwo> and the question I'm concerned with is, how many points do you need such that it becomes necessary for there to exist certain shapes (triangles, squares, etc) in the graph made out of one color

02:01 <nickuwo> e.g.

02:02 <nickuwo> it's been proven that if you have a graph with 6 points, you MUST have either a red or a blue triangle in that graph

02:02 <Wabbit98> so what university are you at?

02:02 <nickuwo> Oshkosh, Wisconsin

02:03 <Wabbit98> UW-Oshkosh?

02:03 <nickuwo> yea

02:03 <Romulus> thanks man, u 2

02:03 <Wabbit98> interesting

02:03 <nickuwo> yes?

02:03 <Wabbit98> you have the Wisconsin accent?

02:04 <nickuwo> hehe, not terribly

02:04 <Wabbit98> dang

02:04 <Wabbit98> so you are a math major huh

02:04 <Wabbit98> what an exciting life

02:05 <nickuwo> math, philosophy and japanese

02:05 <Wabbit98> wow

02:05 <Wabbit98> their should be a Kant@Home

02:05 <nickuwo> perhaps there should be...

02:06 <nickuwo> study ethical dilemmas with BOINC

02:06 <Wabbit98> to understand what in bloody earth he wrote

02:06 <Wabbit98> I can never understand Kant

02:06 <Wabbit98> I barely understand Hume

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02:07 <nickuwo> Hume I can dig, unfortunately i never took a class on kant

02:07 <nickuwo> I prefer more contemporary authors, however

02:08 <Wabbit98> like the guy who wrote Calvin & Hobbes

02:08 <nickuwo> I never got into C+H, but my buddy has that $100 collection... crazyness

02:08 <Wabbit98> you should read it

02:09 <nickuwo> I should

02:09 <Wabbit98> he named the two main characters after  Calvin and that Hobbes fellow

02:10 <nickuwo> good old hobbes

02:10 <nickuwo> leviathan

02:10 <nickuwo> mmm

02:10 <nickuwo> bedtime!

02:10 <nickuwo> thanks for helping me Wabbit

02:10 <Romulus> and i allways get: communication deferred

02:10 <nickuwo> take it easy eh?

02:10 <nickuwo> hmm

02:11 <Wabbit98> night nickuwo

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02:11 <Wabbit98> if I have a problem I will yell loud enough for you to hear me in Wisconsin

02:11 <nickuwo> ok :)

02:12 <nickuwo> I know your away mweltin but thanks for your help aswell!

02:12 <nickuwo> peace

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02:28 <Wabbit98> hey mw

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02:33 <mweltin> hey

02:33 <mweltin> got dropped

02:33 <yoyo_RKN> dropped yourself?

02:34 <mweltin> yoyo!

02:34 <mweltin> we were just trying to get a wrapper working

02:34 <mweltin> seems like he got it

02:34 <Wabbit98> do you need a tester mw?

02:34 <mweltin> I'm trying to do the same right now

02:34 <mweltin> not yet

02:34 <Wabbit98> it seems nickuwo's is working now

02:34 <yoyo_RKN> my wrapper works sice month

02:34 <Wabbit98> and I need something to test

02:34 <mweltin> still trying to figure out how to deal with multiple output files

02:35 <yoyo_RKN> just define the files in the result template

02:35 <mweltin> I only have linux stuff and I'm testing it locally first but Wabbit98 you will be first on my list once I move it live.

02:35 <Wabbit98> w00t

02:37 <mweltin> I'm going to ask a few people to update their (I forget the file) to upload stuff not released

02:37 <mweltin> ok

02:38 <mweltin> the input file is called from a the app with a command line switch

02:38 <mweltin> I can define that in the work unti file correct?

02:41 <mweltin> yoy here is a wrinkel; my app is called with a file name switch and the output files are based on the name of the input file

02:41 <mweltin> for example

02:41 <mweltin> acotsp -i infile116.tsp

02:41 <mweltin> will produce

02:42 <mweltin> best.infile116 stats.infile1116 and cmp.infile116 as outputs

02:42 <yoyo_RKN> you should use everytime the same name for the inputfile

02:43 <mweltin> well the whole experiment is to see how the aco does as the number of cities increases

02:43 <mweltin> so the input file changes each time.

02:44 <mweltin> 198.tsp and 1100.tsp and 10k.tsp and 1meg.tsp and so on

02:44 <yoyo_RKN> does the file change for every wu?

02:44 <mweltin> so the workunits will use differnet command line switches to load the different files.

02:45 <yoyo_RKN> you can also make job.xml as part of the wu and not of the application

02:45 <mweltin> no I'll run 1000 of each instance (in this case an instance would be one of the *.tsp files)

02:46 <mweltin> I'm not sure I follow you.

02:46 <mweltin> I thought the client downloads all three

02:46 <mweltin> wrapper, app, and job.xml

02:46 <yoyo_RKN> but you can make the job.xml as part of the wu and remove it from the application

02:47 <yoyo_RKN> so foreach wu you than can have a different job.xml

02:47 <yoyo_RKN> and with this different commandline switches

02:47 <mweltin> well I can put command line switches in both the WU and Job.xml file

02:48 <mweltin> what is the difference, would one style be better than an other?

02:48 <yoyo_RKN> dont know, I have it in job.xml

02:48 <yoyo_RKN> how do you put it into the wu?

02:49 <Wabbit98> off to bed now

02:50 <mweltin> night buddy

02:50 <Wabbit98> for all your alpha testing needs just call for da Bunny

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02:50 <mweltin> will do

02:51 <mweltin> yoyo I forget exactally, but the creat_work has a switch for it so I assume the

02:52 <mweltin> and you can put it in the WU template

02:52 <yoyo_RKN> and the wrapper uses it to call the application?

02:53 <mweltin> The descriptor may also specify command-line arguments to be passed to the worker program

02:54 <mweltin> I guess I'd do it from the wu as I can control that better by building a work generation app in C++

02:55 <mweltin> here is my problem sort of.......

02:55 <mweltin> TSPLIB came up with some standardized way to descripe different instances of the TSP.

02:56 <mweltin> real basic flat file

02:56 <mweltin> the ACO app I have impliments a ant colony optmization algorithm to solve the various instances.

02:57 <mweltin> I want to be able to create 1K worth of workunits for each TSP instance.

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03:16 <clusty> ahoy

03:23 <mweltin> buddy!

03:24 <mweltin> working on the wrapper

03:24 <mweltin> how are you?

03:26 <mweltin> you got the wrapper working right?

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03:32 <clusty> yeah

03:33 <clusty> its peanutz

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03:33 <clusty> need help?

03:33 <mweltin> I'm working on it now but I have a few questions

03:33 <yoyo_RKN> hi clusty can you send me a link to your project?

03:33 <clusty> yoyo_RKN, no jobs for now

03:34 <clusty> the scientific app is not fully developed

03:34 <clusty> but here it goes

03:34 <mweltin> the aco (the prog I'm wrapping) takes for a command line argument the tsp instance file.

03:34 <clusty> http://algorithmica.is-a-geek.com/boincanator/

03:34 <Romulus> Title: REPLACE WITH PROJECT NAME (at algorithmica.is-a-geek.com)

03:34 <clusty> :D

03:34 <mweltin> I want to be able to test several different instances from

03:35 <clusty> you feed to wrapper two files

03:35 <clusty> 1 that goes to keyboard

03:35 <mweltin> N=1000 cities to N= million

03:35 <clusty> and one that gets its name translated to what the binary expects

03:35 <mweltin> and the aco prints out 3 files

03:36 <mweltin> 1 that goes to the keyboard?

03:36 <clusty> yes

03:36 <clusty> but this is default prog

03:36 <mweltin> the binary excpets a command line switch

03:36 <mweltin> -i instance.tsp

03:36 <clusty> did you look at the boinc site doc?

03:36 <mweltin> yeah I'm reading it now

03:37 <clusty> the command line is built in job.xml i think

03:37 <clusty> <command_line>1asdad</command_line>

03:37 <mweltin> yes and the WU template

03:38 <clusty> actually something i did not get: why I have to make wrapper WUs _nodelete

03:38 <mweltin> waht about the output files?

03:38 <yoyo_RKN> you don't have to make them nodelete

03:39 <clusty> mweltin, think outputs you put just in result template

03:39 <mweltin> which I have

03:39 <clusty> yoyo_RKN, so that was just so i can read result by myself?

03:39 <clusty> mweltin, think then you are set

03:40 <clusty> have the validators/assimilators?

03:40 <mweltin> not yet

03:40 <clusty> you can start with dummy

03:40 <mweltin> going with the simple just to get this working

03:40 <yoyo_RKN> nodelete only means that the results/wu is not deleted after assimilation

03:40 <clusty> to see it does not choke

03:41 <mweltin> where is that set? job.xml or WU template?

03:41 <clusty> what?

03:41 <clusty> nodelete?

03:41 <mweltin> yes

03:41 <mweltin> nodelete

03:41 <clusty> its name of wu

03:41 <clusty> yaddy_nodelete_asdasdasd

03:41 <mweltin> crap really

03:41 <yoyo_RKN> clusty : do you have a link about the science behind your project?

03:41 <clusty> :D

03:41 <mweltin> who knew

03:42 <clusty> yoyo_RKN, not really. i merely have a clue about the scientific proj

03:42 <clusty> i am a linux/server/high perf guy

03:42 <clusty> :D

03:42 <clusty> with all muscle computing tasks

03:43 <clusty> i suggest you dont attach for now

03:44 <clusty> think it will be 1 more month till tasks will flow

03:44 <yoyo_RKN> ok

03:45 <yoyo_RKN> I asked because we have the biggest german description of distributed computing projects

03:45 <Romulus> "Energy cannot be created or destroyed."

03:45 <clusty> cute

03:45 <clusty> yoyo_RKN, well there is a twist about my project :(

03:46 <clusty> its an industrial thing and like all ppl are quite secretive about the inner workings

03:47 <yoyo_RKN> hmm

03:48 <clusty> it goes a bit against my philosophical beliefs

03:48 <clusty> :(

03:49 <mweltin> but you do it anyway

03:49 <mweltin> flexable morals?

03:50 <clusty> hungry :D

03:51 <clusty> selling my soul for a bit of money to fight another day

03:51 <clusty> the good part is that boinc license allows it

03:51 <clusty> since its LGPL

03:53 <clusty> yoyo_RKN, you a student?

03:53 <mweltin> ok I have to call it a night

03:53 <yoyo_RKN> no

03:53 <yoyo_RKN> employee

03:53 <mweltin> you all take care

03:53 <mweltin> with luck I'll see you in a few hours

03:53 <mweltin> bye

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03:53 <clusty> where do you work?

03:53 * yoyo_RKN was student in the past ;)

03:54 <yoyo_RKN> http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/

03:54 <Romulus> Title: Home (at www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com)

03:54 <clusty> cute

03:55 <clusty> and you are boincing for work as well?

03:55 <yoyo_RKN> no, boincing is for private

03:56 <clusty> what does your project do?

03:57 <yoyo_RKN> it wrapps none boinc distributed computing projects into the boinc world

03:57 <clusty> cute

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04:25 <CoderForLife> morning

04:25 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 29.3F / -1.5C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A chance of snow and rain showers this morning...then a chance of rain showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tonight (1 more message)

04:26 <CoderForLife> &more

04:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain and snow showers in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:54 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:05 <ELGono> wow damn good site with free books on older circuits http://pmillett.com/technical_books_online.htm#How%20do%20I%20do%20this,%20you%20ask

05:05 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1c3K> (at pmillett.com)

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05:17 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono

05:21 <ELGono> ahoi don

05:30 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - got some volunteer stuff to do this afternoon

05:33 <CoderForLife> later

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06:11 <KathrynM> evenin all

06:34 <hawmps> 'lo

07:05 <hawmps> LHC is working again

07:08 <KathrynM> and pirates is having issues

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07:22 <desti> Oil prices briefly surpassed $103 a barrel for the first time Friday as persistent weakness in the U.S. dollar and the prospect of lower interest rates attracted fresh money to the oil market.

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07:30 <hawmps> they only report the highest futures prices.. never the settlement price

07:30 <hawmps> which is always much lower

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08:58 <clusty> KathrynM, take a long night?

08:58 <clusty> :d

08:59 <KathrynM> went to w*** and picked up an hour of overtime :)

08:59 <KathrynM> I could use about a 3 week vacation right now tho

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09:12 <clusty> have them?

09:12 <clusty> ...or better play sick

09:12 <clusty> :D

09:12 <KathrynM> sick time?

09:12 <KathrynM> you gotta be kiddingme

09:12 <KathrynM> we don't get any

09:12 <clusty> meaning you get sick they kick you out to die like a dog in a ditch?

09:12 <clusty> ...and kick you

09:12 <KathrynM> my hour overtime was covering for a coworker who puked at work.  and the boss wanted her to stay, give the kids a puzzle and put her head down on the desk

09:12 <clusty> :D

09:13 <KathrynM> they were not happy last summer when i was in the hospital for 10 days

09:13 <KathrynM> after I got out, doc said no work for another week.

09:13 <KathrynM> I was back teaching that afternoon.

09:13 <clusty> (s)ought to know better. you puke gracefully while you take an air break

09:13 <clusty> :D

09:14 <clusty> she/he*

09:14 <clusty> the thought i can slack off as much as I want is comforting

09:14 <clusty> so i am not stressed and work full throttle

09:14 <clusty> :D

09:14 <KathrynM> Sounds wonderful

09:15 <clusty> does the work environment not bother you?

09:15 <KathrynM> at times

09:15 <KathrynM> today was a bad day

09:15 <clusty> its been a bad day.....

09:16 <KathrynM> I'm sick, a bunch of other teachers were sick, and I was generally in a b****y mood

09:16 <clusty> count your blessings.....

09:16 <clusty> :D

09:16 <KathrynM> It's Friday!

09:16 <Romulus> cause I only have linux stuff but it works fine with the 'eads of those who serve them

09:16 <clusty> know REM?

09:16 <clusty> band

09:16 <KathrynM> yup

09:17 <clusty> did you check the credence concert i sent you?

09:17 <clusty> on youtube

09:17 <KathrynM> no.  forgot :(

09:18 <clusty> there: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9ICmGKFz94Q

09:18 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Creedence Clearwater Revival - Down on the corner (at youtube.com)

09:18 <KathrynM> bookmarked for tomorrow

09:18 <clusty> rite

09:25 <PovAddict> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-offended-cat-laptop.jpg

09:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1c3_> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

09:27 <PovAddict> I got craploads of LHC last night

09:28 <KathrynM> :)

09:28 <PovAddict> they have a daily quota of 20 though

09:28 <PovAddict> ...

09:28 <PovAddict> >:)

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09:29 <PovAddict_> damn

09:29 <PovAddict_> &seen PovAddict

09:29 <Romulus> PovAddict_: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 1 minute and 33 seconds ago: <PovAddict> >:)

09:29 <PovAddict_> bad thing of my workaround is that it generates a new host CPID

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09:29 <PovAddict> but I get more LHC work :)

09:29 <KathrynM> tha'ts what the merge button is for :)

09:30 <PovAddict> nope, that's the easy part

09:30 <PovAddict> of course it makes a new host

09:30 <PovAddict> problem is CPID, "unmergeable" across projects

09:30 <KathrynM> eek

09:30 <KathrynM> :(

09:32 <PovAddict> boincstats shows I have like 15 hosts

09:32 <PovAddict> ok, some are hosts i had attached for short periods of time

09:32 <PovAddict> but most are just duplicates

09:38 <KathrynM> PovAddict, tail -f boinc.log to watch messages in real time?

09:38 <PovAddict> should work

09:38 <KathrynM> thx

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10:00 <hawmps> yuk -- more snow

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10:20 <KathrynM> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-easter-egg-birds.jpg

10:20 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1c9V> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)

10:20 <PovAddict> o.O

10:21 <KathrynM> lol

10:21 <clusty> the ingrish is too goed in last one

10:21 <KathrynM> :)

10:21 <clusty> not a true cheezburger

10:21 <Romulus> yoy here is 404'd

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10:22 <clusty> Romulus, drop dead

10:22 <Romulus> I don't know!

10:23 <KathrynM> http://hawtymcbloggy.com/2008/02/28/another-gamer-screwed-by-microsoft/

10:23 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1c9c> (at hawtymcbloggy.com)

10:25 <clusty> Nathaniel carefully packaged his beloved 360 into the coffin, including this letter :

10:25 <clusty> :D

10:25 <KathrynM> lol

10:27 <PovAddict_> oh god

10:27 <clusty> funny

10:27 <clusty> the story

10:27 <clusty> :D

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10:41 <KathrynM> need to drop that router from a very high building PovAddict?

10:41 <PovAddict> I think I'll blame my ISP, I changed router and disconnect just as often

10:41 <KathrynM> you dropped offline on gtalk too

10:42 <PovAddict> updated the firmware on the new router to the latest version, and still disconnect just as often

10:42 <KathrynM> pidgin crashed when you sent that message

10:45 <clusty> till Monday fellas

10:45 <KathrynM> night

10:47 <KathrynM> me too.  time for bed

10:47 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

10:47 <hawmps> ah.. monday... Sunny St Thomas...

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10:58 <KathrynM> once pendings are granted, I'll top 1K at Pirates :-)

10:58 <PovAddict> I have lots of LHC to go thru :)

10:58 <KathrynM> Now I just need to run insane amounts of uppercase on BOINC alpha to get that over 1K

11:02 <KathrynM> hmmmm... now I know exactly what BOINC does when I hit a web link in the manager :-)

11:02 <KathrynM> + exists /usr/bin/seamonkey

11:02 <KathrynM> + which /usr/bin/seamonkey

11:02 <KathrynM> + return 1

11:02 <KathrynM> + exists /usr/bin/seamonkey

11:02 <KathrynM> + which /usr/bin/seamonkey

11:02 <KathrynM> + return 1

11:02 <KathrynM> + for i in '$X11BROWSERS'

11:02 <KathrynM> + set -x

11:02 <KathrynM> + exists /usr/bin/firefox

11:02 <KathrynM> + which /usr/bin/firefox

11:02 <KathrynM> + return 0

11:02 <Romulus> Trying to find new lower bounds on ramsey theory. My university is letting me use their 500+ computers all summer

11:02 <KathrynM> + '[' /usr/bin/firefox = /usr/bin/konqueror ']'

11:02 <KathrynM> + exists /usr/bin/firefox

11:02 <KathrynM> + which /usr/bin/firefox

11:02 <KathrynM> + return 0

11:02 <KathrynM> + exec /usr/bin/firefox 'http://www.malariacontrol.net/home.php?userid=29'

11:02 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1c$X> (at www.malariacontrol.net)

11:03 <KathrynM> why does it test for seamonkey twice?

11:03 <PovAddict> sheesh pastebin

11:04 <PovAddict> bbl

11:04 * KathrynM blushes

11:04 <KathrynM> sorry

11:04 <KathrynM> i'm really going to bed now

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13:51 <BadBarbarian> &zip island park id

13:51 <Romulus> I don't have a clue, BadBarbarian.

13:51 <BadBarbarian> &zipcode island park id

13:51 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: I couldn't find island park id in zipcode.

13:52 <BadBarbarian> &zipcode island park idaho

13:52 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: I couldn't find island park idaho in zipcode.

13:52 <Romulus> I never got into C+H, but my buddy has that $100 collection... crazyness

13:53 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86190

13:53 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

13:57 <BadBarbarian> &weather 82190

13:57 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 25F / -4C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.35in / 1028hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Unknown | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Rest of Today - Breezy. Partly cloudy. Highs 32 to 38. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Breezy. Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow. Lows 18 to 24. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Saturday - Breezy...snow. Snow accumulation (1 more message)

13:57 <BadBarbarian> &more

13:57 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: of 2 to 6 inches. Highs 29 to 35. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.;

14:01 <FreeLarry58> &zipinfo 82190

14:01 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: City: Yellowstone National Park; State: WY; County: Park; Area Code: 307; Time Zone: MST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 44.5747 (North); Longitude: 110.5185 (West)

14:01 <FreeLarry58> brr BadBarbarian

14:01 <FreeLarry58> &weather 98366

14:01 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 55.6F / 13.1C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Increasing clouds with rain likely late in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Rain turning to showers. Breezy. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Southwest wind 15 (1 more message)

14:01 <FreeLarry58> &more

14:01 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: to 25 mph.; Saturday - Showers and isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph.;

14:04 <BadBarbarian> yep

14:05 <BadBarbarian> just east of you a little lol

14:05 <Romulus> i whipped up one for my boinc / rosetta account. no matter what i do reset project do i lose all the elements share some property

14:06 <BadBarbarian> romulus has blown a fuse lol

14:06 <Romulus> I don't know!

14:10 <FreeLarry58> you be getting the high energy storm then in a couple of days after me

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14:16 <FreeLarry58> morn PovAddict

14:17 <PovAddict> 5.10.44 coming...

14:17 <FreeLarry58> another so soon?

14:17 <PovAddict> indeed...

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14:38 <quail> g'morning all

14:39 <hawmps> &weather 12074

14:39 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 19.9F / -6.7C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of snow. Highs in the mid 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times after midnight. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Near steady temperature in the lower (2 more messages)

14:39 <hawmps> &more

14:39 <Romulus> hawmps: 20s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Saturday - Snow in the morning...then snow likely in the afternoon. Total accumulation of 5 to 10 inches. Highs in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Heavy Snow Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on March 01, (1 more message)

14:39 <hawmps> &more

14:39 <Romulus> hawmps: 2008;

14:39 <quail> &weather ypad

14:39 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Clear. Low:71 F. / 22 (1 more message)

14:40 <quail> &more

14:40 <Romulus> quail: C.;

14:44 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

14:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40.5F / 4.7C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 17.0mph / 27.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 40s. West wind 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 20s. West wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the south after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 40s. (1 more message)

14:44 <wdsmia> &more

14:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

14:45 <wdsmia> I said heck with it and took the rest of the day off

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14:56 <hawmps> good idea...

15:01 <efc> Happy Leap Day

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15:05 <hawmps> uh-huh

15:09 * quail has blogged a link on my blog that will make CoderForLife very happy :-)

15:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o AthlonRob

15:09 *** AthlonRob sets mode: -o AthlonRob

15:15 <wdsmia> Yikes!!!! *lo Rob

15:16 <wdsmia> though you fell off the end of the world

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15:16 <quail> g'morning all

15:16 <PovAddict> &factoids change #boinc windows 1 s/43/44/

15:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:16 <PovAddict> &factoids change #boinc win32 1 s/43/44/

15:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:16 <PovAddict> &factoids change #boinc win64 1 s/43/44/

15:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:16 <wdsmia> *lo quail

15:16 <PovAddict> hi

15:17 <quail> hey Doug, how are things?

15:17 <wdsmia> not bad... took 1/2 the day off

15:18 <quail> here is a nice article to read for all interested in Linux >>> http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/73

15:18 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cBo> (at quail.southernvaleslug.org)

15:20 <AthlonRob> Hi wdsmia

15:20 <PovAddict> AthlonRob!

15:20 <quail> hey Rob, long time no see, how are things?

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15:28 <AthlonRob> Things are good

15:28 <AthlonRob> busy

15:28 <AthlonRob> trying to work out broken DNS and a lost server

15:28 <wdsmia> ouch

15:32 <AthlonRob> Dennis passed away!?

15:32 <PovAddict> yes :

15:32 <PovAddict> :(

15:32 <AthlonRob> ...

15:32 <AthlonRob> What happened?

15:33 <PovAddict> I dunno, I was on holiday when it happened so I missed the details

15:33 <wdsmia> heart :(

15:34 <AthlonRob> :(

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15:34 <PovAddict> Keith told me a few days ago they were crunching on a certain project on his honor

15:37 <PovAddict> ah malaria@home

15:37 <PovAddict> malariacontrol, even

15:37 <quail> ouch DNS problems suck on the best of days :-/

15:38 <PovAddict> "DNS is always the problem, regardless of the symptoms"

15:38 <AthlonRob> :)

15:39 <quail> yeah bind runs nice tho as long as you don't stuff up the config file for domains

15:39 <PovAddict> I have never ran a dns *server*

15:39 <PovAddict> I have enough problems on the client side thank you very much

15:39 <quail> hence why I have written a bash script to help me create them :-)

15:40 <quail> PovAddict: I run a Internet facing DNS server here

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15:42 <mweltin> n

15:51 <mweltin> hey

15:51 <mweltin> I need a unix guru

15:52 * FreeLarry58 checks pocket - nope none there either

15:53 <AthlonRob> 'sup mweltin?

15:53 <AthlonRob> I am not a guru, but I play one on IRC

15:54 <quail> hehe

15:54 <quail> mweltin: what the problem?

15:54 * FreeLarry58 does double take - AthlonRob here - wonders what happened that he escaped his girlfriend/wife? eyes so long

15:54 <AthlonRob> my wife is at work, I am at home  :-)

15:54 <mweltin> my ACO only takes a certin style of instance file

15:54 <AthlonRob> she'll be mad at me for a littl ebit when she gets home and sees the house is still a mess  :-)

15:54 <quail> I am not a unix guru but I tinker with linux

15:54 <FreeLarry58> ahh and she forgot the binoculars

15:54 <mweltin> all the instance files end in .tsp

15:54 <AthlonRob> ACO?

15:54 <FreeLarry58> ;)

15:54 <mweltin> Ant Colony Optimization

15:54 <Romulus> you be getting the link to project

15:54 <mweltin> anyway

15:55 * quail knows nothing about ACO

15:55 <mweltin> I can grep the files for EUC_D2

15:55 <AthlonRob> I've not heard of ACO, either

15:55 * xcamel_away is back.

15:55 *** xcamel_away is now known as xcamel

15:55 <PovAddict> anyway, just a random program

15:55 <xcamel> re-hi

15:55 <AthlonRob> Hey JAy, LTNS

15:55 <xcamel> 'lo Rob

15:55 <mweltin> so here is what I want to do

15:55 <quail> hey Jay

15:56 <xcamel> Hows married life?

15:56 <xcamel> 'lo Q

15:56 <AthlonRob> Great

15:56 <AthlonRob> I highly recommend it

15:56 <mweltin> mv all the files that contain EUC_D2 to a separeate folder

15:56 <xcamel> Good for you.

15:56 <PovAddict> hmm

15:56 <quail> AthlonRob: I happy with the single life :-)

15:56 <PovAddict> that contain EUC_D2 on the filename, or the file contents?

15:56 <AthlonRob> mv *EUC_D2* /new/folder

15:57 <mweltin> so it seem like some combination of grep and find that can do it

15:57 <mweltin> file containes EUC_D2

15:57 <PovAddict> for file in *.tsp; if grep EUC_D2 $file; then mv $file new/folder; fi; done

15:57 <mweltin> sweet

15:57 <AthlonRob> I'd have done it a much more complicated way

15:57 <AthlonRob> with grep and cut and sort and mv

15:58 <AthlonRob> and uniq

15:58 <PovAddict> grep: Exit status is 0 if match, 1 if no match, and 2 if trouble.

16:01 <mweltin> what shell do you run PovAddict ?

16:02 <mweltin> csh?

16:02 <PovAddict> I run bash

16:03 <PovAddict> and the above may not work at all on any other shell, I have no idea :)

16:03 <mweltin> I use bash as well

16:06 <xcamel> wow - first time in a year I hit the LHC limit..

16:06 <PovAddict> LHC had a 20 daily quota

16:07 <PovAddict> and craploads of work

16:11 <xcamel> still does..

16:13 <mweltin> I keep getting a syntax error "unexpected token `if'.  I have tried for file in `ls *.tsp`; and if [xxx]. The bash beginners guid shows your syntax is correct. any ideas?

16:13 <PovAddict> ah missing a 'do'!

16:14 <mweltin> do if?

16:14 <PovAddict> yes, after for's semicolon comes a do http://rafb.net/p/qxXSzC54.html

16:14 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

16:14 <Romulus> done any work for them yet?

16:14 <mweltin> got it

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16:23 <mweltin> MTughan,

16:23 <mweltin> !!

16:23 <wdsmia> *lo MT

16:24 <MTughan> Hey.

16:24 <MTughan> I still don't have my laptop, on my P4.

16:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: What do you think about using the GPL as the license for my BOINC Manager and framework?

16:25 <PovAddict> 'a good idea'

16:25 <mweltin> I think it's a good idea

16:26 <MTughan> That's what I thought too. I can start marking my source files as soon as I have my laptop back.

16:26 <MTughan> Was just looking at GPLv3 last night.

16:26 <PovAddict> if somebody wants to use your framework for his own GUI, he either releases his GUI on a GPL-compatible license, or buys a commercial license from you :P

16:27 <MTughan> That's why I decided against the LGPL. :P

16:27 <MTughan> Unlike BOINC...

16:28 <MTughan> Anyway, means my GUI has be released under GPL as well, but I'm fine with that.

16:28 <PovAddict> not necessarily

16:29 <mweltin> what is the boinc license?

16:29 <PovAddict> the GUI can be released under an even more liberal license with no problems :)

16:29 <mweltin> some berkley license

16:29 <PovAddict> mweltin: LGPL

16:29 <MTughan> mweltin: It's released under LGPL. v2 I believe.

16:29 <mweltin> is it more restrictive than the GPL ?

16:29 <PovAddict> no, less

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16:43 <mweltin> for wrapper apps which one do you sign with crypt_prog?

16:43 <PovAddict> preferably all executable binaries

16:43 <mweltin> the legacy app or the

16:43 <mweltin> ok

16:43 <PovAddict> in fact, you could sign non-executable input files if you wanted to :)

16:49 <MTughan> Any more word from zombie67 about his 64-bit core client?

16:50 <mweltin> ok I created my aco and wrapper app and placed them in apps/aco/aco_1.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu and wrapper_1.0_i686-pc-linux-gnu

16:50 <PovAddict> I think that will make aco the main app

16:50 <mweltin> when i run update_versions i get an erro that it cant find aco

16:50 <PovAddict> wait no...

16:51 <mweltin> well I assume that is what I want

16:51 <PovAddict> it's a multi-file app (wrapper + worker + whatever static input files)

16:51 <MTughan> You add the wrapper?

16:51 <PovAddict> don't you want the *wrapper* to run first, and then have it start the worker?

16:51 <mweltin> they are all in the the apps dir

16:51 <PovAddict> &bw UpdateVersions#multifile

16:51 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/UpdateVersions#multifile

16:53 <mweltin> ok so what is the executable the wrapper?

16:53 <yoyo_RKN> strange what david wrote

16:53 <PovAddict> main app is wrapper yeah

16:54 <mweltin> ok

16:54 <PovAddict> you need this:

16:55 <PovAddict> the wrapper has a config file, doesn't it?

16:55 <yoyo_RKN> job.xml

16:55 <mweltin> ok so my aco_xxx should really be legacy_xx and my wrapper_xxx should be aco_ because I created apps/aco

16:55 <mweltin> yes job_1.0.xml in my case

16:56 <mweltin> it calls aco

16:56 <yoyo_RKN> the directory must have the same name as the main application

16:56 <mweltin> yoyo the question is what is the main app, the wrapper or the legacy app?

16:56 <PovAddict> main app is the one the core client starts

16:56 <PovAddict> core client starts wrapper, wrapper starts legacy app

16:57 <PovAddict> so, main app = wrapper

16:57 <mweltin> ok thta would be the wrapper

16:57 <PovAddict> you need this dir structure http://www.pastebin.ca/923833

16:57 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 923833 (at www.pastebin.ca)

16:57 <yoyo_RKN> main app = app which is started as first

16:58 <PovAddict> the worker can have any name you want

16:58 <mweltin> ok

17:00 <mweltin> ok so I renamed wrapper_xxx to aco_xx and the original aco_xx to acoAlgo_xx

17:00 <PovAddict> what are those hundred .tsp files you committed?

17:00 <mweltin> and my job.xml file to call acoAlgo

17:01 <PovAddict> also erm... you should have used svn mv so that SVN "knew" you had moved them... now they appear as files deleted and files added

17:02 <mweltin> yeah thats what I did, I mean svn removed and then svn added

17:03 <mweltin> ok xadd is for platforms and update_versions is for new versions

17:03 <mweltin> I don't need to add apps right?

17:04 <mweltin> I forget it's been a while

17:04 <AthlonRob> Doug and Jay have just been added to the access roster as super-admins and Romulus as a bottom-of-the-line admin

17:04 <yoyo_RKN> xadd is also for new applications

17:04 <PovAddict> you need to add 'aco' app, yes

17:04 <PovAddict> but you don't need xadd, you can also use this -> http://bob.myisland.as/tsp_ops/manage_apps.php

17:05 <PovAddict> (I have no idea if the URL is right, as obviously I can't get there myself)

17:06 <mweltin> should be but I'm tyring to test this on my local host

17:08 <mweltin> and if I don't want to use the web app?  xadd reads the project.xml file and there is no place there for adding a new app.

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17:09 <PovAddict> &bw XaddTool

17:09 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/XaddTool

17:10 <PovAddict> &ping

17:10 <Romulus> pong

17:10 <mweltin> went through the web interface

17:10 <mweltin> hahahaha

17:10 <mweltin> so there is an app directive

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17:10 <PovAddic1> &seen PovAddict

17:10 <Romulus> PovAddic1: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 43 seconds ago: <PovAddict> &ping

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17:10 <PovAddic1> ah so you did get it

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17:11 <mweltin> yes

17:11 <MTughan> The BOINC Wiki call, yes.

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17:11 <PovAddict> I didn't see Romulus's reply, then it disconnected

17:11 <PovAddict> yay! firmware 1.1.2 jailbroken

17:12 <mweltin> lunch

17:12 <mweltin> brb

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17:19 <xcamel> BOINC 5.10.44 released for Windows and Wndows x64

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17:19 <mweltin> ls

17:19 <mweltin> ok

17:19 <mweltin> so I will have 20-30 different input files

17:19 <mweltin> some will be rather large.

17:20 <mweltin> can I control which files someone downloads ?

17:20 <PovAddict> why would you want to?

17:20 <mweltin> well I ddn't think someone would need to download them all

17:20 <PovAddict> if you put the files on the workunit, then he'd get only the files needed for that workunit...

17:21 <mweltin> but I guess they could

17:21 <mweltin> but then they would have to download the entire file for every work unit

17:21 * CoderForLife sits down at his PC and sees the IRC flashy thing in the tray

17:21 <mweltin> it would be easier for them the download it once

17:21 <PovAddict> not really

17:21 <CoderForLife> somebody looking for me?

17:21 <mweltin> I use a command line switch to pick the file I want to run.

17:22 <AthlonRob> Hey CFL

17:22 * CoderForLife falls off his chair

17:22 <PovAddict> mweltin: first, if a user gets a dozen workunits using the same file, the client will download it only once

17:22 * CoderForLife gets back

17:22 <CoderForLife> hello Athlon Rob =)

17:22 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:22 <PovAddict> but as soon as he has no work on his queue using that file, the client will delete it, and if he gets another right after, yes then he would download it yet again

17:22 <MTughan> &linux

17:22 <Romulus> MTughan: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.43_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

17:22 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:22 <PovAddict> make it <sticky/> and the client will never delete it

17:23 <MTughan> So it is up to date...

17:23 <mweltin> ok, I have to give this some more thought

17:24 <mweltin> I want to test the ACO over a wide range of different sized TSP

17:24 <PovAddict> don't use sticky during your first tests... if you change the files often, clients will have them *accumulate*

17:24 <PovAddict> since they are never deleted

17:25 <mweltin> ok

17:26 <mweltin> worst case I have a file with 10M records

17:26 <mweltin> but only one fo those

17:26 <PovAddict> 10MB?

17:26 <CoderForLife> ugh - stock market fall down, go boom

17:26 <mweltin> big, doubt it's that big I'd have to check

17:26 <mweltin> regardless

17:27 <mweltin> lets say I have 20 files

17:27 <PovAddict> wait, does *each* workunit need only one of those files?

17:27 <mweltin> I could always put them all in the app dir, but then for different versions I'd have to copy those on my side.

17:28 <mweltin> yes for now, but I could always change that.

17:28 <mweltin> a single instance doesnt take long to run

17:28 <mweltin> I could make the wrapper run several instances of the aco

17:29 <CoderForLife> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334088,00.html

17:29 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cEJ> (at www.foxnews.com)

17:29 <mweltin> each instance would require a new tsp instance file.

17:33 <MTughan> That is one big snow(wo)man...

17:34 <MTughan> Just for fun, some students at my school built about a 12' snowman during one period, about 80 minutes. That was quite a feat for them, but imagine 120'...

17:35 <wdsmia> lol reminds me when they hung tractor tires on abe's head on the summit of I-80 looked just like ear muffs

17:39 <xcamel> wow - hell of a snowman...

17:42 <CoderForLife> huh?  what's a "Notice from Chanserv"?

17:42 <PovAddict> what does the notice say?

17:42 <CoderForLife> You have been added to the access list for #boinc with level [15]

17:42 <PovAddict> omg you have teh power

17:42 <CoderForLife> I don'r ever recalling seeing something like this

17:43 <PovAddict> ask xcamel :)

17:43 <PovAddict> or wdsmia

17:43 <PovAddict> they're playing with the channel powers

17:43 <CoderForLife> I'm feeling better already

17:43 <CoderForLife> CoderAlmighty

17:43 <wdsmia> :)

17:44 <CoderForLife> after 3 years on #boinc, I'm SOMEBODY now =)

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17:44 <wdsmia> dont let it go to your head lol

17:45 * CoderForLife feels his ballcap feel a bit tight

17:48 * AthlonRob did it, but it was wdsmia's idea

17:49 <CoderForLife> ah, now wonder, it's my Windows logo ballcap

17:49 <CoderForLife> er no wonder

17:49 <wdsmia> go ahead blame me everyone else does :)

17:49 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do here is assign blame

17:49 <CoderForLife> then we talk about the weather

17:49 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

17:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 41.9F / 5.5C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers this evening... then a chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; (1 more message)

17:49 <wdsmia> CoderForLife your now on the blame list

17:50 <CoderForLife> &more

17:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs around 40. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast after midnight.;

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17:50 * CoderForLife huffs and puffs and...

17:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CoderForLife

17:51 <CoderForLife> I feel like a new person

17:51 <PovAddict> trying to hack 1.1.3 firmware on my iPod, getting strange suggestions

17:51 <PovAddict> http://rafb.net/p/QgbEVU15.html

17:51 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

17:51 <CoderForLife> look - I'm top of the the world, er list

17:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

17:52 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o CoderForLife

17:52 <CoderForLife> *welcome

17:52 <CoderForLife> er

17:52 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o CoderForLife

17:52 <CoderForLife> welcome

17:53 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

17:53 <PovAddict> somebody had to take you back down here

17:53 <PovAddict> you and your ego :)

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17:58 <mweltin> nickuwo how goes it

17:59 <mweltin> I'm trying my first app now. making a work unit as I write

18:01 <nickuwo> nice

18:01 <nickuwo> If you need a tester, lemme know

18:01 <AthlonRob> Adios, thanks for the fun

18:01 <mweltin> will do

18:01 <MTughan> wdsmia: You sure giving CoderForLife op powers is a good idea?

18:02 <wdsmia> cya Rob dont be a stranger

18:02 <CoderForLife> you question *me*????

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18:02 <nickuwo> I looked up american samoa on wikipedia, it's a beautiful place

18:02 <MTughan> You're the one who opped himself for fun.

18:02 <PovAddict> well that's called "testing if opping works"

18:02 <PovAddict> (or "having fun" :D)

18:02 <CoderForLife> I oped just to try it for the first time

18:02 <xcamel> here comes another snowstorm..

18:02 <MTughan> So why'd Doug have to deop him?

18:03 <PovAddict> ego shutdown

18:03 <wdsmia> I didnt have to :)

18:03 <MTughan> So that begs the question again, is he good to have op powers?

18:04 <wdsmia> well see he's on probation ;)

18:05 <MTughan> Hmm, someone should check the URL associated with #boinc.

18:05 <MTughan> It's http://www.boinc-irc.com/ but that domain is free.

18:05 <Romulus> Title: Bioinformatics (at www.boinc-irc.com)

18:06 <MTughan> Should've asked AthlonRob while he was here...

18:06 <MTughan> &seen Comatosed

18:06 <Romulus> MTughan: I have not seen Comatosed.

18:06 <wdsmia> Comatosed last seen 3y 18w 2d 5h 5m 49s

18:07 <MTughan> According to ChanServ?

18:07 <MTughan> Contact: AthlonRob, last seen: 1 year 35 weeks 2 days (6h 45m 42s) ago

18:07 <wdsmia> Si has been gone for a long time

18:07 <Romulus> it would only dl half of it...

18:07 <MTughan> It doesn't seem to be right.

18:09 <wdsmia> AthlonRob seen 14m 18s ago

18:14 <CoderForLife> I'll be back later

18:14 <MTughan> See ya.

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18:28 <CoderForLife> aurora alert: ADEC Kp:6.00 Time:7:48PM Feb 29 (UT-4) Confidence:100% LastKp:4.00

18:29 <xcamel> nuts... it's cloudy...

18:30 <xcamel> and WTH? I thought there weren't any sunspots atm...

18:30 <mweltin> haha thats what my isp told me was wrong with their service

18:31 <mweltin> I find it hard to belive that it happened each day at the smae time for 3 days staright

18:31 <mweltin> 2-2:30

18:31 <mweltin> and the week before as well

18:31 <mweltin> that is something straight out of the BOH excuse list

18:31 <xcamel> http://spaceweather.com/images2008/28feb08/coronalhole_hinode_163.gif

18:32 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cFH> (at spaceweather.com)

18:32 <xcamel> that's why...

18:32 <xcamel> big coronal hole.

18:32 <xcamel> but still no spots.

18:32 <CoderForLife> looks at link

18:33 <CoderForLife> I get automated alerts from aurorachasers.com

18:33 <CoderForLife> that's the second one today - the first one was in the early afternoon

18:34 * CoderForLife wants to see an aurora sometime

18:34 * wdsmia put on his tin foil hat

18:35 <CoderForLife> again  bbl

18:35 <wdsmia> damn keyboard

18:35 <CoderForLife> keyboards are never as good as tin foil

18:36 <PovAddict> iPod says: Decompressing firmware 57%

18:36 * CoderForLife wanders out of the room

18:36 <wdsmia> cya

18:36 <xcamel> laterz..

18:37 <wdsmia> Hey he's a op he cant leave :)

18:38 <wdsmia> he should have read the fine print

18:40 <xcamel> lol

18:42 <mweltin> the only thing in show_shmem is my ACO workunits but my client downladed a BF workunit

18:42 <mweltin> how is that possible?

18:43 <mweltin> oh because it's not attaching to my project

18:43 <mweltin> crap

18:47 <wdsmia> Oh Damn it that wimeguy

18:47 <wdsmia> er wineguy

18:48 <wineguy> better than winguy

18:48 <mweltin> whineguy

18:48 <wdsmia> thats him :P

18:49 <mweltin> he never says anything when I'm around

18:49 <wineguy> 'jus listening

18:49 <wdsmia> he never says anything on this channel

18:50 <wdsmia> I dont kick him because he's my brother

18:50 <mweltin> ahhhhhhhh

18:51 <wdsmia> another Don on the channel

18:52 <wdsmia> everyone say Hi

18:52 <quail> Hi

18:53 <Romulus> but I'm tyring to test

18:53 <mweltin> hey

18:53 <wineguy> lo everyone

18:55 <quail> yes Romulus you are very testing :-P

18:57 <mweltin> i changed the serer in my config.xml file

18:57 <xcamel> 'lo quail

18:57 <mweltin> but when  I attach my client tells me I used the wrong url and goes to bob.myisland.as

18:57 <quail> hiya Jay

18:57 <mweltin> where is the client getting that.

18:58 <mweltin> it accesses a file get_project_config.php

18:58 <PovAddict> yes

18:58 <PovAddict> then it gets your master URL

18:58 <PovAddict> check html/user/schedulers.txt

18:58 <mweltin> oh and its cahced

18:58 <mweltin> no thats no it

18:58 <mweltin> cached is not it

18:59 <mweltin> I'll try schedules.txt

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19:17 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:17 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 20.5F / -6.4C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.37in / 1028.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times after midnight. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Lows in the lower 20s. Temperature rising into the upper 20s after midnight. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; (2 more messages)

19:17 <xcamel> &more

19:17 <Romulus> xcamel: Saturday - Mostly cloudy. Snow in the morning...then a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Total accumulation of 5 to 10 inches. Highs in the mid 30s. South winds around 10 mph...becoming west 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows around 20. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Heavy Snow Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on (1 more message)

19:17 <xcamel> &more

19:17 <Romulus> xcamel: March 01, 2008;

19:17 <xcamel> nice..

19:18 <Romulus> then why gnite :)

19:18 <wineguy> &weather 98026

19:18 <Romulus> wineguy: Temperature: 51.1F / 10.6C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1002.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Early evening rain...then showers. Breezy lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph...decreasing after midnight.; Saturday - Showers and sun breaks. Isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 40s to lower 50s. (1 more message)

19:19 <wineguy> &more

19:19 <Romulus> wineguy: Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Southwest wind to 10 mph...except north over the north sound.;

19:19 <wineguy> Seattle - so what else is new?

19:20 <xcamel> Saddle-Sores, WA

19:20 <wineguy> linament

19:21 <xcamel> been there once... nice to visit.

19:22 <wineguy> I'd trade your snow for our rain but everyone out here would kill me

19:23 <xcamel> I've about had it with the snow... heading to St Thomas on monday..

19:23 <wineguy> poor thing!

19:26 <xcamel> yeah, sucks to be me.

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19:26 <xcamel> company trip - winter get-away with best customers..

19:26 <wineguy> what, baja not warm enough?

19:27 <wineguy> I hear that all the Obama supporters go to St Thomas

19:27 <xcamel> was supposed to go last year... we had a blizzard.

19:27 <wineguy> ........

19:27 <xcamel> you mean BrokeBack Hesnotsane Obama?

19:28 <wineguy> no, the no specifics one

19:29 <xcamel> dropping politics now..

19:30 <wdsmia> chicken

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19:30 <wineguy> I was taught in the service not to talk politics, sex, nor religion

19:31 <wineguy> that doesnt mean i wont

19:31 <wdsmia> thats my bro

19:31 <xcamel> you don't say...

19:31 <xcamel> and from King county too...

19:32 <wineguy> nope, snohomish

19:32 <BadBarbarian> hey jay how deep is the snow

19:32 <xcamel> the 2nd most politically corrupt county in the country...

19:32 <wineguy> yes, but it is ours

19:32 <xcamel> about a foot, BB

19:32 <xcamel> and another 6 overnight tonight

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19:32 <BadBarbarian> hehe

19:33 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

19:33 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 59F / 15.0C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 29 on the North Rim to around 47 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday - Breezy. Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 54 on the North Rim to around 77 along the Colorado (1 more message)

19:33 <BadBarbarian> &more

19:33 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows around 34 on the North Rim to around 50 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph until early morning becoming light.;

19:33 <PovAddict> I got into my iPod's ssh again \o/

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19:33 <xcamel> 60F ?? you suck..

19:33 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:33 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

19:33 <xcamel> ;-)

19:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 76°F / 24°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1002hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM ARST; Rain. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Rain. Low:69 F. / 21 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:69 F. / 21 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Rain. Low:69 F. / 21 C.;

19:34 <BadBarbarian> hey i was colder almost all winter

19:34 <xcamel> Sure, PoV, down on the "but crack" of the planet...

19:34 <BadBarbarian> and bunches of snow

19:35 <xcamel> indeed...

19:36 <BadBarbarian> i have the doors & windows open getting some fresh air in the house

19:37 <xcamel> a spring breeze

19:37 <nickuwo> you guys ever been to wisconsin?

19:37 <xcamel> then all the pollen...

19:37 <BadBarbarian> yep

19:37 <nickuwo> chilly

19:37 <xcamel> yes.. WI twice..

19:37 <BadBarbarian> its going to get cold again next week

19:37 <xcamel> Oshkosh and a couple other places

19:37 <nickuwo> -40 with the wind chill couple weeks ago

19:38 <nickuwo> sucked

19:38 <wineguy> go to the fly-in every chance I get

19:38 <BadBarbarian> we had -25 and no wind here

19:38 <nickuwo> I go to school in Oshkosh :)

19:38 <nickuwo> that's pretty cold too

19:39 <BadBarbarian> wineguy you a pilot

19:39 <wineguy> here and there

19:39 <BadBarbarian> what do you fly

19:39 <wineguy> 1956 straight tail 172

19:39 <xcamel> I flew ultralights for 20 years..

19:39 <wdsmia> 6961n

19:39 <BadBarbarian> i have a twin otter

19:40 <BadBarbarian> 1947

19:40 <wineguy> envious

19:40 <xcamel> and sailplanes

19:40 <nickuwo> you guys fly in 60 year old planes?

19:40 <BadBarbarian> been in the family for 3 gen now lol

19:40 <nickuwo> that safe?

19:41 <BadBarbarian> better than the new ones

19:41 <nickuwo> why?

19:41 <wineguy> their just about to be broken in

19:41 <xcamel> not much I can't fly, but not licensed for most of them..

19:41 <BadBarbarian> my otter has been upgraded to turbo fans

19:42 <wdsmia> heavy metal cant beat it

19:42 <wineguy> ooooh I have problems paying for 100ll

19:42 <xcamel> I still like the light stuff

19:42 <BadBarbarian> takes 700 feet less water for takeoff now

19:42 <wineguy> we have plenty of water up here

19:43 <BadBarbarian> my son is working it in alaska as we speak

19:43 <wdsmia> would rather have a goose than a otter

19:44 <BadBarbarian> hell no

19:44 <wineguy> without a girlfriend you probably wont get either

19:44 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:44 <wdsmia> lol

19:44 <wineguy> chuckles maybe

19:46 <wdsmia> so how many days till Oshkosh?

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19:46 <xcamel> 6 months or so..

19:47 <nickuwo> you stay in the dorms or do you camp?

19:47 <wdsmia> camp under the wing

19:47 <nickuwo> that's cool

19:47 <wineguy> 149 - 28 July

19:47 <nickuwo> maybe we'll see each other :)

19:48 <wineguy> always camped

19:48 <xcamel> to busy that time of year, sadly..

19:48 <wineguy> you can try sun-n-fun or come up this way to Arlington

19:49 <xcamel> going with my son to the sailplane nationals

19:49 <wdsmia> ok question how many in the room belong to EAA?

19:50 <wineguy> me

19:50 <wdsmia> me

19:51 <wineguy> oh well, have to get you guys signed up!

19:51 <wdsmia> AOPA?

19:51 <wineguy> oh come on now

19:53 <wineguy> you gonna ask about phi beta sigma too?

19:54 <wdsmia> we dont talk about them democrat orgs :P

19:54 <wineguy> and your little dog too

19:56 <wdsmia> its a big dog and he has the runs :(

19:57 <xcamel> well.. off with me..

19:57 * xcamel is away: Gone away for now.

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19:58 <wineguy> sci-fi friday

19:58 <wdsmia> yup

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20:20 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:33:15)

20:22 <wdsmia> wb Kathryn

20:22 <KathrynM> thx

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20:42 <wdsmia> Yawn...

20:45 <wdsmia> Yum White Castles for dinner

20:45 <KathrynM> oooooooooo

20:45 <KathrynM> I had one that was a 3 minute walk up the street back home.

20:46 <KathrynM> Now I may have to go to McD's today because I'm craving greasy American-like fast food

20:46 <wdsmia> Bet you miss them

20:46 <KathrynM> yup

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21:22 <PovAddict> &coin

21:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: tails

21:34 <efc> &weather 30625

21:34 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain in the evening... then a slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows around 40. Southwest winds up to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Saturday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

21:35 <PovAddict> I got my iPod apps back!

21:35 <KathrynM> yay!

21:35 <PovAddict> just got mail configured

21:36 <PovAddict> note to self, figure out how to get rid of Stocks

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22:04 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

22:04 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 10°F / -12°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.59in / 1036hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM AST; Tonight - Clear. Low -15C(5F).; Saturday - Increasing cloudiness. Snow and blowing snow beginning in the afternoon. Amount 5 cm. Wind becoming southeast 30 km/h (19 mph) in the morning then east 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (1 more message)

22:05 <Rookie_69> &more

22:05 <Romulus> Rookie_69: (37 mph) in the afternoon. High -1C(30F). Saturday night snow and blowing snow changing to periods of rain in the evening. Snowfall amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Rainfall amount 10 to 15 mm. Wind east 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 80 km/h (50 mph) becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) overnight. Temperature rising to 4C(39F) by morning.; Sunday - Periods of snow. Windy. High 1C(34F).;

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22:12 <KathrynM> Alrightythen...  I need to do my weekly grocery run.  If I time it right, I can get there for the 12:30 rendition of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands" in Korean.

22:15 <Rookie_69> If I timed it right, I'd get there in time to miss it.

22:15 <Rookie_69> ;-)

22:19 <KathrynM> nah.  it's quite amusing to watch grown adults (employees are required, optional for customers) do it.

22:19 <KathrynM> I mean, I know I look like a total dweed when I do it, but I'm doing it in front of 5 year olds :)

22:23 <Rookie_69> Send us a video!

22:23 <KathrynM> I'll pass, thanks

22:23 <Rookie_69> Lol.

22:26 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

22:28 * Rookie_69 exists in an alternator reality... and is going nuts.

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22:32 <nickuwo> hey mweltin

22:33 <mweltin> hey

22:33 <mweltin> I have to rebuild my project dir

22:33 <nickuwo> hows the project comin

22:33 <nickuwo> mmm

22:33 <nickuwo> that sucks

22:33 <Soul_keeper> "i'm sorry honey, your dad loves you, but he also loves star trek and in all due respect star trek was here first"

22:33 <mweltin> when I try to attach my client keeps going to bob.myisland.as

22:33 <mweltin> not bid deal

22:34 <nickuwo> I have that problem sometimes to

22:34 <mweltin> classic

22:34 <nickuwo> did you delete/change all the occurances of bob.myisland.as in your database?

22:34 <mweltin> no

22:35 <mweltin> didn't know there were any

22:35 <nickuwo> sometimes that works for me

22:35 <mweltin> it kept happening when the client downloaded project config file

22:35 <mweltin> starting with a new project folder is better anywya.

22:36 <nickuwo> i c

22:36 * Soul_keeper ignores the nuts

22:39 <nickuwo> mweltin, when you get a sec, could you explain roughly about how you go about passing files to your wrapped program?

22:40 <mweltin> LOL

22:40 <mweltin> nickuwo, I thought you were going to tell me.

22:40 <nickuwo> do you tell BOINC about these in wu's or... ?

22:40 <nickuwo> hehe

22:40 <nickuwo> shit

22:40 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:40 <mweltin> that is one way yes.

22:40 <Romulus> But I do it, but I could die rather than grade my students' writing reminds me of domain name expiration

22:41 <nickuwo> otherwise, you can use the job.xml?

22:41 <mweltin> I have an external file called the instance.tsp file

22:41 <mweltin> it holds the information needed to construct the graph.

22:41 <nickuwo> ok

22:42 <mweltin> I think i made it part of my work unit to test it out.

22:42 <mweltin> but I'm not sure I like that method

22:42 <nickuwo> do you have just one, or are there many of them corresponding to different graphs?

22:42 <mweltin> I was on earlier with PovAddict and I had hoped to ask him about my options.

22:42 <mweltin> many graphs

22:43 <mweltin> 20-30 different graphs

22:43 <nickuwo> so many instance.tsp files

22:43 <PovAddict> lol and I'm actually here... but not for long, 1:43 am

22:43 <mweltin> yes d198.tsp koh1894.tsp etc etc

22:43 <nickuwo> ok

22:44 <mweltin> I have a way to go before I get to my experiment desing questions

22:44 <mweltin> rest up PovAddict I'm gonna hit you hard tomorrow.

22:44 <PovAddict> onoes

22:44 <nickuwo> did you name them like that, or are those the names that create_work gave to them?

22:45 <mweltin> there is a think called TSPLIB and a few other chalenges that came together to create a bunhc of standars for how to write instance files.

22:45 <mweltin> they also came up with a bunch of benchmark files

22:45 <mweltin> so short answer their names.

22:45 <mweltin> i forget how boinc refers to files

22:46 <mweltin> there is a logical name and a real name ?

22:46 <nickuwo> i think ive read something like that

22:46 <mweltin> whatever essentiall my workunit template referes to  instance.tsp

22:46 <mweltin> but it will have many names

22:47 <mweltin> or at least that is how i think it works.

22:47 <mweltin> I never wored with the wrapper or extra files before

22:47 <nickuwo> so, do you understand these stdin and stdout files named in the job.xml?

22:48 <nickuwo> I'm assuming those are different than the file you want to pass to the wrapped prog as a parameter

22:48 <mweltin> I don't think I need them.

22:48 <nickuwo> ok

22:48 <mweltin> I don't use stdin or out for anythign

22:49 <nickuwo> so you can just disregard those...

22:49 <mweltin> plus I'm not sure how to define them when I create a workunit.

22:49 <mweltin> well I have not got it running yet, so I'm not sure, but I pass files to my worker via a command line switch and it creates output files

22:49 <nickuwo> it has to do with the <open_name> tag in work_units

22:49 <mweltin> so I don't really use stdin or stoud

22:49 <mweltin> stdout

22:50 <nickuwo> hmm

22:51 <nickuwo> Sorry, I just want to get this striaght, you are telling the wrapped prog what to do by both passing it an "instance.tsp" and some command line switch

22:51 <mweltin> well...... I call the aco by this

22:52 <mweltin> aco -i d198.tsp

22:52 <nickuwo> aco?

22:52 <mweltin> d198.tsp is the instance.tsp

22:52 <mweltin> aco is the name of the worker

22:52 <nickuwo> ok

22:52 <nickuwo> i think I got it

22:53 <nickuwo> So where do you put those .tsp files, in the apps dir? and then you tell BOINC about them using create_work... right?

22:53 <mweltin> funny you should ask.

22:54 <mweltin> one is in the app dir, but I think I'm better off with it in the work unit.

22:54 <mweltin> at least for small files.

22:54 <nickuwo> why?

22:54 <mweltin> the range from a few 100 to 10 million cities.

22:55 <mweltin> if they are small I can switch out lots of different instances with ease and test a wider range of proglems

22:55 <mweltin> and nothing really changes

22:55 <nickuwo> ok

22:56 <mweltin> if I create a work generator (which I will) I can use the mysql data base to keep track of the experiments I run.

22:56 <mweltin> the down side is the the clients may keep downloading the same file over and over.

22:56 <mweltin> kind of a waste fo bandwidth

22:56 <nickuwo> yea

22:56 <mweltin> I can use some nodelet thing but then they never get deleted and that is a waste of hard drive space

22:57 <mweltin> hence I'm going to try to figure out what I want to do for an experiment, and then try to get PovAddict  to help me decide on what is the better way to organize my files in the boinc framework.

22:58 <nickuwo> curious that there is more than one way to do it

22:58 <mweltin> that is very unix of them

22:58 <nickuwo> heh

22:58 <mweltin> always lots of ways to do the same thing

22:58 <nickuwo> yes

22:59 <nickuwo> confusing at first, but probably more powerful

22:59 <mweltin> boinc is not that easy no

23:00 <nickuwo> have you dabbled in any other distributed computing systems?

23:00 <mweltin> no, well GRID but that is more cluster stuff

23:00 <nickuwo> cluster = no volunteer?

23:00 <nickuwo> cluster = not volunteer?

23:01 <mweltin> yes, not volunteer

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23:01 <nickuwo> i guess that's what I'm doing then... is GRID easier?

23:03 <mweltin> I dont' know

23:03 <mweltin> sorry

23:03 <mweltin> it's more cluster manager liek Rocks

23:04 <mweltin> you have 50 identical machines how do you allocate resourse on them

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23:04 <MTughan> resource*

23:04 <efc> I wonder if BOINC could help me dream up a new chemical process... I'd like to start with photosynthesis and alter it for my own, evil, purposes

23:05 <efc> It probably could but I'd have to know what I'm doing :p

23:05 <MTughan> Would you? :P

23:05 <Rookie_69> Moo.

23:11 <Rookie_69> If you crossed algae with yeast, would you get an unlimited supply of skunky beer?

23:11 <nickuwo> only if it happened in mexico

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23:11 <Rookie_69> Lol.

23:12 <Rookie_69> ... add some lime to the mix then.

23:12 <nickuwo> hehe

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23:16 <efc> photosynthesis is so complicated.. some genetic or brute force mechanism might do better than actually trying to understand it

23:16 <Rookie_69> Easier to just eat the plants.

23:17 <mweltin> I agree photosynthesis is way more complicated than it should be

23:17 <mweltin> there are all these little enzymes that do only one thing

23:17 <mweltin> like the z enzyme that separates oxygen from water

23:18 <efc> yeah, a huge number of individual reactions going up an energy chain, in two complete photosystems

23:18 <mweltin> denature that and the chain brekes plant dies

23:18 <efc> How could you ever design such a thing by hand..

23:18 <mweltin> or why for that matter

23:19 <nickuwo> I was just thinking the other day... How the hell does something evolve photosynthesis??? does a species just slowly start taking more and more energy from the sun???? What kind of crazy mutation is that???

23:20 <efc> why.. to make stuff other than ATP/glucose

23:20 <mweltin> mmmmmmmm A-T-P

23:21 <efc> For example, a hydrocarbon fuel

23:21 <MTughan> C3H8 + 5O2 -> 3CO2 + 4H2O

23:22 <MTughan> Propane burning.

23:22 <Rookie_69> If I could just lay around with one foot in the ground and get enough sustenance, I might try it for a while.

23:22 <efc> I would like to know how to... un-burn it

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23:22 <MTughan> Unburn propane?

23:23 <efc> Synthesize it

23:23 <Rookie_69> That's profane.

23:23 <Pogogunner> Can someone help me figure out what optimized app to use for seti?

23:23 <efc> from water and CO2

23:23 <Pogogunner> I've asked in my team channel, but everyone's AFK

23:23 <Pogogunner> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 3]

23:24 <MTughan> I suppose if you get carbon dioxide and water vapour together and heat it up enough, it's theoretically possible to get some form of hydrocarbon and oxygen...

23:24 <efc> Pogo: Figure out which special instruction sets it supports (MMX, SSE, SSE2 etc)

23:24 <MTughan> You might get CH4, methane.

23:24 <Rookie_69> The only one I've tried lately screwed up the machine too much.

23:24 <mweltin> Pogogunner, I'm not sure I dont run seti, I'm sorry i can't be more help

23:24 <Pogogunner> efc, mind if I message you?

23:24 <Romulus> so peacful without him

23:24 <efc> Sure

23:25 <efc> I'll look at the one I run

23:26 <efc> I run one of these http://lunatics.kwsn.net/

23:26 <Romulus> Title: Seti@Home optimized science apps and information (at lunatics.kwsn.net)

23:27 <Pogogunner> I know where to get them, i'm trying to figure out which one to use

23:27 <efc> I don't know what instructions your specific cpu supports, but I'm sure its at least MMX/SSE and probably SSE2 too

23:27 <MTughan> Pogogunner: When'd you get the CPU?

23:27 <Pogogunner> Today. The boxen has been around for a very long time, though

23:28 <efc> An app like cpuz will tell you all about it

23:28 <Pogogunner> It was bought from walmart four years ago

23:28 <Pogogunner> So the gear is probably about seven years old

23:28 <MTughan> 4 years ago?!

23:28 <Pogogunner> Lol, yeah

23:28 <Pogogunner> I had to clean up all the malware and stuff too

23:28 <Pogogunner> And I couldn't format since they want to keep their music and whatnot

23:29 <MTughan> Yeah, grab a copy of CPU-Z. Should be able to at least tell you what core it uses. http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

23:29 <Romulus> Title: CPUID (at www.cpuid.com)

23:29 <Soul_keeper> bla

23:29 <efc> Pogo: I think its most likely SSE2, and not SSE3

23:30 <Pogogunner> NNR usually knows his stuff, though

23:30 <efc> err wait, i might be wrong.. model 3

23:31 <Pogogunner> Heh. ill try three first

23:31 <Pogogunner> Thanks for the help thus far, in any case.

23:31 <efc> model 3 supports SSE3 apparently

23:31 <MTughan> Actually... Based on the clock speed, and assuming it's not a Celeron D, it's Northwood core.

23:32 <MTughan> Means MMX, SSE, SSE2.

23:32 <efc> model 3 is a Prescott though

23:32 <efc> 2.13 to 3.33 ghz

23:32 <MTughan> If it's a Celeron D (based on Prescott), it's 64-bit, and supports MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3.

23:33 <Pogogunner> It's a Celeron D

23:33 <MTughan> And you could be right. The Celeron 2 series closest has 2.6GHz, not 2.67GHz.

23:33 <efc> cpuz will tell you for sure, and its nifty anyway

23:33 <Pogogunner> Is their download page working?

23:33 <MTughan> It's a Celeron D? Supports SSE3.

23:33 <Pogogunner> I keep timing out

23:33 <MTughan> Also 64-bit.

23:33 <Pogogunner> On both computers

23:34 <MTughan> Oh, maybe not actually...

23:34 <Pogogunner> Can't re do the OS :(

23:34 <MTughan> You're borrowing the computer?

23:34 <Pogogunner> Sorta

23:34 <Pogogunner> My sister just bought a laptop that has four times the gear

23:35 <Pogogunner> (1 gig of RAM versus the 256 MB on the one I just got)

23:35 <Pogogunner> Dual core processor, etc.

23:36 <Pogogunner> And she doesn't want the tower taking up room in her room anymore

23:36 <MTughan> As for CPU-Z... http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/cpuz-144.zip

23:36 <Pogogunner> I'm pretty sure i'm just gonna run the boxen headless till I have to set it up for her to use it

23:36 <MTughan> Darn it, wrong URL...

23:36 <Pogogunner> Dead link

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23:36 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/cpuz_144.zip

23:36 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cHX> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

23:37 <MTughan> Just downloaded about two minutes ago.

23:37 <Pogogunner> I still can't download the app

23:38 <Pogogunner> Does it need IE to download? :\

23:38 <efc> For now, I'd try the SSE3 then

23:38 <Pogogunner> I am trying the SS#

23:38 <Pogogunner> SS3*

23:39 <MTughan> Shouldn't need IE to download. You're trying Firefox?

23:39 <Pogogunner> Opera.

23:39 <Pogogunner> Ill try firefox now

23:39 <MTughan> Opera should still do it too though...

23:39 <Pogogunner> I know. WHich is why I think the server is down

23:39 <efc> I actually can't tell you how much the optimized versions speed things up... it should be considerable though

23:39 <MTughan> Yeah, Opera picks my copy up here.

23:40 <Pogogunner> Can you put it on somewhere I can download like rapidshare?

23:40 <Pogogunner> Firefox didn't work either

23:40 <MTughan> It's just a straight ZIP. And this is basically the same.

23:40 <Pogogunner> I know, I think my problem is that I can't connect to the mirror, though

23:41 <MTughan> There's no mirror... But try http://home.interlog.com/~kidcare/michaelsprogramming/cpuz_144.zip anyway.

23:41 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cHY> (at home.interlog.com)

23:42 <MTughan> How about that... A laptop processor with a TDP of 5W.

23:42 <Pogogunner> Err...not the CPUZ download

23:42 <Pogogunner> The optimzed app download

23:42 <MTughan> Now, it is 933MHz, but still...

23:42 <MTughan> Oh, that! Can you give me a link?

23:42 <Pogogunner> http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=99

23:43 <Romulus> Title: View File (at lunatics.kwsn.net)

23:44 <MTughan> Yeah, the server's down. DNS for the address is working, but no reply from the server.

23:44 <Romulus> that's the second one today - the circle interstate around Cincy

23:44 <MTughan> You might have to try a second site.

23:45 <Pogogunner> If you know one, i'm all ears

23:45 <MTughan> I'm looking. You're running Windows?

23:45 <Pogogunner> XP32

23:46 <Pogogunner> Let me check to see if I have the optimzed app saved to another HD

23:46 <MTughan> (I only run SETI on my Mac, so I don't have to worry about specific optimizations)

23:47 <Pogogunner> Why? Mac version uses the most common optimzation?

23:47 <MTughan> Oh hey... I think I found a second mirror for KWSN not listed...

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23:48 <MTughan> http://calbe.dw70.de/win32.html

23:48 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at calbe.dw70.de)

23:49 <MTughan> And as for your question, the earliest Intel processor Mac used were Core Solos in the Mac mini, which still supports MMX, SSE, SSE2, and SSE3.

23:49 <MTughan> Oh, and SSSE3.

23:49 <Pogogunner> I hate Crunch3r

23:49 <MTughan> With the new 64-bit processors, BOINC added a new platform for 64-bit code used in the Core 2 series.

23:50 <MTughan> Well, he's the only other page listed on BOINC's other page.

23:50 <Pogogunner> 2.4V Windows x32 SSE3 Intel?

23:50 <MTughan> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DownloadOther

23:50 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1cHg> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:50 <MTughan> The + GFX means it will have graphics, so your choice.

23:50 <Pogogunner> Lol, graphics are a waste of cycles

23:51 <MTughan> Yes, SSE3. The Prescott series doesn't support SSSE3.

23:52 <efc> I thought thats when they put in SSE3

23:52 <MTughan> CPUID would tell you what optimizations your processor supports.

23:52 <MTughan> Note the difference. The first has two S's. The second has three.

23:52 <efc> oh, didn't realize there was an SSSE ...

23:53 <MTughan> I believe it stands for Supplementary SSE3.

23:53 <efc> they aren't the best at doing new instructions..

23:53 <MTughan> :D

23:54 <MTughan> I think they have SSE4.1 now. AMD has SSE4a.

23:54 <Romulus> you know anything about custimizing it

23:54 <MTughan> &stfu

23:54 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

23:56 <Pogogunner> Bam

23:56 <MTughan> &roulette

23:56 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

23:56 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

23:56 <MTughan> First one... Wow.

23:56 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:56 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <MTughan> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> MTughan: *click*

23:57 <mweltin> I love roulette

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <MTughan> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

23:57 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <MTughan> Why is it always me?

23:57 <MTughan> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> MTughan: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <MTughan> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> MTughan: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <MTughan> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

23:57 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

23:57 <MTughan> ...

23:57 <Pogogunner> LOL

23:57 <Pogogunner> :)

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> Pogogunner: *click*

23:57 <Pogogunner> &roulette

23:57 <Romulus> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

23:57 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

23:57 <MTughan> What should be happening is the bot should be op, then it kicks the person who gets the round.

23:57 <Pogogunner> There, now I was once for it

23:58 <Pogogunner> Exactly

23:58 <Pogogunner> Plus a short ban

23:58 <MTughan> No, it does actually kick the person if the bot is op.

23:58 <MTughan> Doesn't ban them though.

23:58 <Pogogunner> ...Why are there no ops in this channel?!

23:58 <MTughan> There are. They're in disguise.

23:59 * Pogogunner just shuts up

23:59 <MTughan> I don't think any of them have talked for a while though. Maybe AFK.

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