IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-03-01

00:00 <MTughan> &cad

00:00 <Romulus>

00:01 <Pogogunner> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus>

00:02 <MTughan> That updated yesterday.

00:02 <MTughan> But I still forget what it is...

00:02 <MTughan> Oh yeah... :P

00:02 <Romulus> If you crossed algae with yeast, would you want

00:02 <MTughan> <Rookie_69> If you crossed algae with yeast, would you get an unlimited supply of skunky beer?

00:03 <MTughan> I thought I recognized that...

00:12 <MTughan> Nice... The memory I was looking at for my upgrade dropped $10, and the vid card dropped $5.

00:12 <MTughan> Small, but the memory is $130 now and the vid card is $116. It's a bit.

00:12 <MTughan> &math calc 15 * 1.13

00:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 16.95

00:12 <MTughan> Heh, $2 saved in tax... :P

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00:24 <Wabbit98> has that nickuwo been on tonight?

00:26 <Soul_keeper> &seen nickuwo

00:26 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: nickuwo was last seen in #boinc 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <nickuwo> I was just thinking the other day... How the hell does something evolve photosynthesis??? does a species just slowly start taking more and more energy from the sun???? What kind of crazy mutation is that???

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00:51 <mweltin> hello

00:51 <Wabbit67> hey mw

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01:04 <nickuwo> hmm

01:04 <mweltin> hey nickuwo

01:04 <Wabbit98> nickuwo, having issues here

01:05 <nickuwo> hey

01:05 <nickuwo> ?

01:05 <Wabbit98> I can't upload or access the website

01:05 <nickuwo> yea... It was just a test last night... I blocked the port again

01:05 <Wabbit98> oh

01:06 <Wabbit98> so now what?

01:07 <nickuwo> well, the prog im developing really wont be meant for public use. It'll only be installed on idle computers at my university

01:07 <nickuwo> but if it takes off...

01:07 <nickuwo> I might try to take it public, wont be for a while tho

01:08 <nickuwo> Thanks for helkping last night, you and mweltin, and xcamel, i think

01:08 <mweltin> I didn't do much but thank you.

01:08 <Romulus> No, fusion can be released under an even more liberal license with no problems :)

01:09 <Wabbit98> mw how goes the wrapper?

01:09 <mweltin> still setting up the parallel project on my local host

01:09 <mweltin> almost there.

01:10 * Wabbit98 waits with anticipation

01:11 <nickuwo> is running these BOINC projects from a home server really practical? How many users can the ave. home setup handle, do you think?

01:11 <mweltin> I'm working as fast as I can

01:11 <mweltin> yes it's totally doable

01:12 <mweltin> I got 600+ users running boinc off a old IBM t40 laptop with a 25GB HD

01:12 <nickuwo> wow

01:12 <mweltin> and a 128kb internet connection

01:12 <Wabbit98> duct tape and string is what mw uses

01:12 <mweltin> I wouldn't adivise people to do it, but it is totally do able.

01:13 <mweltin> you do what you can with what you got

01:13 <Wabbit98> I have all this completed work for nickuwo and nothing to do with it

01:13 <nickuwo> hehe... it's just trivial integer math...

01:13 <nickuwo> something to suck up CPU time

01:13 <Wabbit98> hell primegird is just finding primes

01:14 <Wabbit98> and nqueens is doing something with chess

01:14 <Wabbit98> not quite sure what

01:14 <mweltin> WAHT ?!?!? just trivial integer math?

01:14 <Wabbit98> but it involves chess

01:14 <mweltin> how could use say something like that.

01:14 <Wabbit98> and mw is doing something

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01:14 <Wabbit98> with algorithms

01:14 <nickuwo> i mean the math the worker prog was doing, settle people

01:15 <nickuwo> i wasn't saying that all integer math is trivial

01:15 <nickuwo> :)

01:16 <nickuwo> anyone know how you get that list of processes in linux... specifically to kill one of them

01:16 <nickuwo> ?

01:16 <mweltin> ps

01:16 <nickuwo> thanks

01:16 <MTughan> ps to get processes (lots of possible flags there) and kill to kill one.

01:16 <mweltin> ps aux will list everthing

01:16 <mweltin> and kill PID will kill it

01:17 <nickuwo> ok

01:17 <mweltin> kill -9 PID will kill it for sure

01:17 <MTughan> Or kill -9 <pid> if you're feeling evil.

01:17 <nickuwo> hehe

01:17 <mweltin> but its drastic adn if you can avoid it do

01:17 <Wabbit98> evil!

01:17 <mweltin> so

01:17 <nickuwo> kill -9 *

01:17 <mweltin> I don't think wild cards work

01:17 <MTughan> No...

01:17 <MTughan> They don't.

01:17 <nickuwo> bummer

01:17 <MTughan> kill -9 0

01:17 <MTughan> >:D

01:18 <mweltin> kilall name is also easy

01:18 <MTughan> NOTE: Don't do that if you plan on still using your computer.

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01:29 <mweltin> well the first workunit is away

01:29 <nickuwo> nice

01:29 <mweltin> nope already failing

01:30 <nickuwo> not nice

01:30 <mweltin> not at all

01:30 <Wabbit98> is it for windows?

01:30 <mweltin> no

01:31 <mweltin> just linux for now and just my local network

01:31 <mweltin> once that is debugged I'll move up to other folks

01:31 <nickuwo> boincadmpw

01:32 <nickuwo> whoops, wrong place for that

01:32 <nickuwo> now everyone knows my password :)

01:33 <Wabbit98> is that for your checking account?

01:33 <mweltin> I did that so often with my IRC passwd MTughan made a plugin for me.

01:33 <nickuwo> yes... ironic, isn't it?  Good thing there's no money in there

01:33 <nickuwo> hhaha

01:36 <Wabbit98> according to my calculations this Cel WU should be done by morning

01:36 <Wabbit98> only took 5 hours to download

01:40 <nickuwo> welp, you guys take er easy

01:40 <mweltin> night

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01:41 * Wabbit98 decides to wrap

01:41 <Wabbit98> my wrapper tis of thee

01:42 <mweltin> I'm out

01:43 <mweltin> I gotta focus and can't do that with irc

01:43 <mweltin> later

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03:53 <mweltin> hey any wrapper users here?

04:08 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

04:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 33.0F / 0.6C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 20s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Not as cold with highs in the (1 more message)

04:08 <CoderForLife> &more

04:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: upper 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.;

04:08 <efc> &weather 31088

04:08 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 48F / 9C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.29in / 1026hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain in the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. Northwest winds up to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 30s. Light and variable winds.; Sunday - (1 more message)

04:08 <CoderForLife> morning efc

04:08 <efc> moo

04:11 <CoderForLife> &more efc

04:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds up to 10 mph.;

04:14 * CoderForLife dozes off

04:15 * CoderForLife wakes up and goes downstairs to find some breakfast

04:16 * CoderForLife has *many* needs

04:25 <KathrynM> evenin' all

04:27 <efc> moo

04:28 <KathrynM> oink?

04:28 <FreeLarry58> baaa

04:29 <mweltin> ribit

04:29 <KathrynM> meow

04:29 <FreeLarry58> oh boy french delicacy frig legs

04:30 <KathrynM> frig legs?  :-p

04:30 <FreeLarry58> frog legs - deep fried in fondu pot and dunked in savory sauce

04:31 * CoderForLife returns

04:31 * FreeLarry58 getting hungry just thinking about it - look out pond in woods gig time for frogs

04:31 <FreeLarry58> wb CoderForLife

04:31 * CoderForLife watches FreeLarry58 cannibalize a Frigidaire

04:31 <Romulus> do you mean BrokeBack Hesnotsane Obama?

04:32 <FreeLarry58> that was the snack

04:32 <CoderForLife> I think the legs on an Amana are slightly longer, and then there's the Kenmore

04:34 * CoderForLife thinks Ken outvoted Larry on the naming rights on the last one

04:34 <FreeLarry58> humm not a con-o-sir but prefer bull frog legs for fondu

04:34 * CoderForLife struggles to eat his breakfast

04:34 <FreeLarry58> lol

04:35 <FreeLarry58> maybe even a fw snails

04:35 <FreeLarry58> few

04:37 <CoderForLife> ess-car-go

04:37 <FreeLarry58> yup eat them - then jump and car and go

04:38 <CoderForLife> ah "yes-car-go"

04:38 * CoderForLife mercifully manages to finish breakfast

04:39 <Romulus> well...... I call the application?

04:39 <CoderForLife> do whatever you want Rommie - just do it somewhere out of sight

04:41 * FreeLarry58 hopes there aren't very many pieces of cereal stuck to CoderForLife screen

04:41 <CoderForLife> didn't eat any cereal

04:43 <CoderForLife> in keeping with the thread, I had 2 slices of toasted dead plant, and in-between I had deli-sliced turkey carcass and pig thighs

04:44 <CoderForLife> aka a ham and turkey sandwich

04:44 <KathrynM> heh

04:45 <CoderForLife> "Microsoft on Thursday said it plans to slash prices for retail copies of Windows Vista up to almost 50 percent for certain editions in poorer countries, in order to boost sales that one analyst said have failed to meet expectations."

04:45 * KathrynM rolls eyes

04:46 <CoderForLife> "poorer countries" - a Microsoft Tax concession to extract as much as they can

04:47 <CoderForLife> only charge them the maximum they can pay, and no more

04:49 <efc> be like monsanto, give them free 1 generation seed until their native stocks are gone, then charge

04:52 <CoderForLife> the first time is always free...

04:52 <Romulus> so this is just great

04:53 <FreeLarry58> &nn all - hard to keep out of M$ bashing so will go to bed - but do like f8 on the new machines

04:53 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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04:53 <FreeLarry58> now if only the gaming companies get into the act of supporting linux

04:53 <mweltin> crap this is not working

04:53 <CoderForLife> cya Larry

04:54 <KathrynM> what's wrong mweltin ?

04:54 <mweltin> trying to use the wrapper and I'm not getting anywhere with it

04:54 <KathrynM> oh.  Well I'm no help then.

04:54 <mweltin> its ok

04:55 <mweltin> I'll get it sooner or later

04:55 <KathrynM> Yeah.  You will.

04:55 <KathrynM> What's going wrong?  Maybe I've seen it before.

04:56 <mweltin> thats the think I'm not sure how to debug it

04:57 <mweltin> stand alone mode doesnt work

04:57 <mweltin> <file_ref>

04:57 <mweltin>         <file_name><OUTFILE_1/></file_name>

04:57 <mweltin>         <open_name>stdout</open_name>

04:57 <mweltin>     </file_ref>

04:57 <mweltin> p

04:57 <mweltin> ooops

04:57 <mweltin> the client keeps failing with the error

04:58 <mweltin> Cant rename output file acoX_X_X

04:58 <KathrynM> well, I've seen it before.

04:58 <mweltin> how did it get fixed?

04:58 <KathrynM> I'm trying to remember

04:59 <KathrynM> Is it generating the "exited with zero status but no finished file" message too?

04:59 <mweltin> no

04:59 <Romulus> I like the z enzyme that separates oxygen from water

04:59 <mweltin> I think it has to do with the command line arguments maybe

04:59 <mweltin> not sure

05:00 <mweltin> I have to pass an input file to the app via a command line argument

05:00 <mweltin> but not sure how to call it

05:00 <mweltin> the naem of that input file chagnes

05:00 <KathrynM> I think Jack from Hydrogen is doing something similar with his autodock app

05:01 <KathrynM> Maybe get in touch with him?

05:01 <mweltin> but the WU template needs to have the same file

05:01 <mweltin> sure

05:01 <mweltin> I'm about to write to the project list

05:02 <mweltin> gonna try a few more configurations of various templates

05:02 <KathrynM> yell if you need me to test anything :)

05:02 <mweltin> so far its all local

05:02 <KathrynM> OK

05:03 <mweltin> as soon as its worked out I'll let you know

05:03 <KathrynM> cool

05:04 <mweltin> I should try to make the logical names match the physical names

05:04 <KathrynM> sounds like a good plan

05:05 <KathrynM> I'll shut up now.  I have no idea what I'm talking about anyway.

05:06 <CoderForLife> that would classify you as a "politician"

05:06 <mweltin> no worries

05:06 <KathrynM> lol

05:10 <KathrynM> how do you check md5 from the cli?

05:11 <CoderForLife> md5summ

05:11 <CoderForLife> er md5sum

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05:13 <KathrynM> So I've got the e@h beta app on my desktop and I want to know it's md5 sum

05:13 <KathrynM> where do I put the file name?

05:13 <Romulus> Anyway, means my GUI has be released under GPL as the main app, the wrapper program

05:13 <CoderForLife>

05:13 <Romulus> <> (at

05:13 <KathrynM> thx that helps

05:14 <CoderForLife> I'm here for that, and to provide entertainment

05:14 <KathrynM> lol

05:14 <CoderForLife> see?  I've accomplished both this morning =)

05:15 <KathrynM> I'm getting better.  I now remember how to untar without looking it up on my cheatsheet

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05:16 <CoderForLife> I ususally use the zxvdfghu parms

05:16 * TheGasGiant saunters in and looks around

05:16 <CoderForLife> or whatever works

05:16 <KathrynM> all of them?

05:16 <KathrynM> lol

05:16 <KathrynM> at the same time?

05:16 * CoderForLife falls off his chair

05:16 <KathrynM> hiya TheGasGiant

05:16 * TheGasGiant has that affect on women mainly....

05:16 <CoderForLife> lol

05:16 <TheGasGiant> hi Don and Kathryn

05:17 <CoderForLife> Morning Paul of Melbourne

05:17 <TheGasGiant> g'day Don of that place in the US of A :)

05:18 <CoderForLife> how could you forget Cincinnati?

05:18 <KathrynM> it's quite forgettable

05:18 <TheGasGiant> nah..just messin with ya

05:18 <CoderForLife> thanks Madame Buckeye =)

05:18 <KathrynM> np

05:18 <KathrynM> I aim to please

05:18 <TheGasGiant> how's the english teaching going Kathryn?

05:19 <CoderForLife> Ingleesh

05:19 <TheGasGiant> better than strine...

05:19 <CoderForLife> yagot that rite mate

05:20 <TheGasGiant> blood oath slim

05:20 <KathrynM> busy busy busy

05:20 <Romulus> balmy at 31F xcamel

05:20 <KathrynM> 6 afternoon classes, probably 6 morning classes, plus I'm a homeroom teacher

05:21 <TheGasGiant> doubley busy busy busy

05:21 <CoderForLife> wouldn't it be funny if Kathryn substituted another language for English - say "pirate"?

05:21 <TheGasGiant> o ohhh.....

05:21 <CoderForLife> A whole generation of S.K.s, speaking pirate

05:21 <KathrynM> I was going to teach pirate to a class on talk like a pirate day, but forgot about it until the last minute

05:22 <CoderForLife> lol

05:22 <TheGasGiant> lol

05:22 <CoderForLife> Of course "me hearties" may not be an adequate phrase to describe your kids

05:23 <TheGasGiant> avast me hearties

05:23 <TheGasGiant> thar she blows....

05:23 <CoderForLife> lol

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05:24 <CoderForLife> the Australian invasion has begun in earnest

05:24 <TheGasGiant> that time of night

05:24 <CoderForLife> so - how's things down under in the big M

05:25 <TheGasGiant> cool tonight...hardly seems like the start of autumn (fall)

05:25 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

05:25 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 60°F / 16°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EST; Clear. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Clear. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Clear. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

05:25 <TheGasGiant> brrr

05:26 <CoderForLife> we hope to reach to the upper 50s tomorrow - very warm

05:26 <TheGasGiant> trying to work out how to overcome a problem I've got with 'doze media player through the TV

05:26 * CoderForLife reaches for his hammer

05:26 <CoderForLife> try this

05:27 <TheGasGiant> looks like it looses the picture sync after a few minutes and it gets 'jumpy'...hammer is an option

05:27 <TheGasGiant> but pause and re-start works...

05:27 <CoderForLife> use the hammer, and that media player will never threaten us again

05:28 <TheGasGiant> lol...could try winamp..but it's interface is less 'smooth'

05:28 * CoderForLife , at the mere mention, stands to his feet and loudly declares "God Save Winamp"

05:29 <Romulus> throws a raincoat over MTughan

05:29 <TheGasGiant> hehehe

05:29 * CoderForLife dodges the flying raincoat

05:29 <TheGasGiant> i hate to think what was under the raincoat

05:30 <KathrynM> better not to think about it

05:30 <CoderForLife> as I recall, he was trying to uncover something

05:30 <KathrynM> and who needs a gui?  mplayer ftw!

05:30 <CoderForLife> I'm the one that threw the raincoat

05:31 <CoderForLife> another bad thing I've taught Rommie

05:31 <TheGasGiant> ahh..if I fire up linux will you help get mythTV working?

05:31 * KathrynM looks at CoderForLife

05:31 * CoderForLife sits blinking innocently

05:31 <KathrynM> lol

05:31 * CoderForLife makes puppy dog eyes

05:31 <TheGasGiant> that's the only reason why I'm using XP on this machine...due to the HD TV card

05:32 * KathrynM looks clueless

05:32 * TheGasGiant is clueless

05:32 * CoderForLife looks foolish

05:32 * TheGasGiant is foolish

05:32 * TheGasGiant is foolish and clueless

05:33 <CoderForLife> hmm

05:34 <TheGasGiant> ummmm

05:34 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

05:34 <TheGasGiant> ommm....ommmm

05:35 <CoderForLife> I did some "volunteer" work yesterday...

05:35 <TheGasGiant> wow...web development?

05:36 <CoderForLife> not so much - the vice chairman of my company is the the boards of the symphony and opera

05:36 <CoderForLife> I went down to the symphony to review their IT disaster recovery plans

05:36 <TheGasGiant> volunteered to sing opera or play the violin?

05:36 <TheGasGiant> ahh

05:36 <CoderForLife> I did get to walk out on the stage of Music Hall

05:37 <CoderForLife> and look at racks of servers

05:37 <TheGasGiant> lol...did you hum a few bars while you were there..or do a twirl

05:38 <CoderForLife> I pirouetted - after a fashion

05:38 <TheGasGiant> piroheutte?

05:38 <TheGasGiant> ahh...that's how you speeel it

05:38 <CoderForLife> yeah, spun, whatever

05:39 <TheGasGiant> how was their disaster recovery plan?

05:39 <CoderForLife> unwritten and untested

05:39 <CoderForLife> therefore it doesn't exist

05:39 <TheGasGiant> doubley bad then....but at least they're thinking about thinking about one

05:39 <CoderForLife> to their credit

05:40 <CoderForLife> they got the right ideas, just need to *do* it

05:40 <TheGasGiant> so are you writing the plan for them?

05:40 <CoderForLife> no sirreee

05:40 <TheGasGiant> for a season ticket?

05:40 <TheGasGiant> bugger

05:41 <CoderForLife> I was promised tickets the last time I helped, and none came

05:41 <TheGasGiant> ahh...

05:41 <CoderForLife> I helped them select their new ticketing and patron management system

05:42 <TheGasGiant> the one that needs a disaster recovery plan for?

05:42 <CoderForLife> yes, and their accounting/general ledger/payroll stuff

05:42 <TheGasGiant> the whole shebang...

05:42 <CoderForLife> pretty much

05:43 <CoderForLife> the thing that took my breath away was the amount of paper in the music library

05:43 <CoderForLife> the IT guys are not responsible for that

05:43 <CoderForLife> they said it was literally millions of dollars in value

05:44 <CoderForLife> it has a Halon system, Mr. Gas Man

05:46 <CoderForLife> &monologue

05:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.

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05:46 <TheGasGiant_> dammit

05:46 <CoderForLife> you seem to be beside yourself at the mention of Halon

05:46 <Romulus> you need to add it to seattle - got some volunteer stuff to do by both passing it an "instance.tsp" and some command line parameters, optionally passed by the server log stuff?

05:47 <TheGasGiant_> last thing I saw was 2 lines from me

05:47 <TheGasGiant_> [21:44] <TheGasGiant> sounds like it was some fun

05:47 <TheGasGiant_> [21:44] <TheGasGiant> do you know how to play a musical instrument?

05:47 <CoderForLife> didn't see those

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05:47 <TheGasGiant> that case -> [21:43] <CoderForLife> the IT guys are not responsible for that

05:48 <CoderForLife> CoderForLife: they said it was literally millions of dollars in value

05:48 <CoderForLife> [05:43] CoderForLife: it has a Halon system, Mr. Gas Man

05:48 <TheGasGiant> ahh

05:48 <TheGasGiant> expensive

05:49 <TheGasGiant> there is a cheaper gas mixture out there

05:49 <TheGasGiant> argon/CO2/nitrogen mix

05:49 <CoderForLife> as far as musical instruments goes, I played trumpet for about 10 years, I want to learn paino, and I do a great job with cymbals

05:50 <CoderForLife> we had cardox at the power plant - an easy way to die

05:50 <TheGasGiant> i do a great playing the air guiter

05:50 <TheGasGiant> ..great job..

05:50 <KathrynM> <---- plays flute

05:51 * TheGasGiant 's dad plays the flute :)

05:51 <CoderForLife> er "piano", I meant

05:51 <TheGasGiant> symbols?

05:51 <KathrynM> nifty

05:52 <CoderForLife> Symbols - that's what I play now

05:52 <TheGasGiant> yup

05:52 <CoderForLife> in high school I had the choice of being in the band, or taking typing class

05:53 <TheGasGiant> lol...typing classes it was

05:53 <CoderForLife> and what to I do all day?

05:53 <CoderForLife> play trumpet?  noooooo

05:53 <KathrynM> heh

05:53 <TheGasGiant> i took typing to be in a class with all the girls ;)

05:53 <Romulus> nodelete only means that the way of it downloaded them ?

05:54 <CoderForLife> I got to be with the drill team

05:54 <TheGasGiant> is Romulus saying more these days?

05:54 <KathrynM> unfortunately

05:54 <CoderForLife> nothing quite as nice as girls tossing rifles

05:54 <KathrynM> or large flags.  I was one of those girls

05:55 * TheGasGiant thinks of a great line and leaves it alone

05:55 <CoderForLife> you did flags and flutes??

05:55 <KathrynM> flags for marching season.  flute for concert season

05:56 <CoderForLife> ah - I was trumpet 23 x 7 x 365

05:56 <CoderForLife> marching, concert, orchestra, pep

05:56 <KathrynM> i did one year of marching band flute in college.  that was plenty, thanks

05:57 <KathrynM> i hated the prissy piccalo players

05:57 <KathrynM> and i was surrounded by the b****es

05:57 <TheGasGiant> lol

05:58 <KathrynM> I also took private clarinet lessons during grad school, but dropped it after a while.

05:58 <KathrynM> I didn't have the chops for it.

06:01 <TheGasGiant> &ping

06:01 <Romulus> pong

06:01 <CoderForLife> um, "ombeshure" (spelling?)

06:01 <KathrynM> embouchure?

06:01 <KathrynM> but yeah, that

06:02 <KathrynM> and I'm really sick of the whining over credits at qmc :/

06:02 <CoderForLife> &dict embouchure

06:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn and gcide responded: wn: embouchure n : the aperture of a wind instrument into which the player blows directly [syn: {mouthpiece}]; gcide: Embouchure \Em`bou`chure"\, n. [F., fr. emboucher to put to the mouth; pref. em- (L. in) + bouche the mouth. Cf. {Embouge}, {Debouch}.] 1. The mouth of a river; also, the mouth of a cannon. [1913 Webster] 2. (Mus.) (a) The mouthpiece of a wind (1 more message)

06:02 <CoderForLife> yup that

06:02 <KathrynM> you mean I spelled it correctly?

06:02 * CoderForLife leaves it to an English teacher to fix his French

06:02 <KathrynM> lol

06:03 <KathrynM> must be a mistake

06:03 <CoderForLife> je ne sais pas

06:03 <KathrynM> Hablo espanol.

06:03 <TheGasGiant> say what?

06:03 <CoderForLife> me non spech espanol

06:04 <KathrynM> That's about the extent of my hs Spanish I remember

06:04 <TheGasGiant> hola manuel

06:04 <KathrynM> But it is slightly more than the amount of Korean I know :)

06:04 <CoderForLife> my French is junior high and high school

06:04 <CoderForLife> benje fixes my French here

06:05 <CoderForLife> merci beaucoup, benje

06:06 <CoderForLife> are there different Korean languages?

06:06 <KathrynM> not that I know of

06:06 <KathrynM> regional differences yes

06:06 <CoderForLife> I thought there are at least 2 alphabets

06:06 <CoderForLife> or not?

06:07 <KathrynM>

06:07 <Romulus> Title: Korean language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

06:09 <CoderForLife> that article reads like a Calculus textbook

06:09 <KathrynM> I'm not big on linguistics.

06:09 <KathrynM> Actually I find it pretty boring :)

06:09 <KathrynM> I can tolerate language development stuff.

06:09 <KathrynM> I'd rather read perceptual or cognitive development stuff.

06:10 * TheGasGiant is getting lost

06:10 * CoderForLife was lost before we started

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06:10 * KathrynM never found the path y'all are on.

06:10 <CoderForLife> ok, let's talk about something else

06:11 <CoderForLife> weather?  beer? maybe boinc?

06:11 <CoderForLife> or not

06:11 <TheGasGiant> me media player problem?

06:11 <CoderForLife> ok you talk - I'll listen

06:12 * TheGasGiant wonders why he types me when he means my

06:12 * CoderForLife rolls his eyes toward the ceiling

06:12 <CoderForLife> ask Mr. Me TV

06:12 <TheGasGiant> looks like it looses the picture sync after a few minutes and it gets 'jumpy'...

06:13 <CoderForLife> you got something else running, taking CPU?

06:13 <TheGasGiant> the jumpiness starts at the bottom of the screen and works it way to the top

06:13 <TheGasGiant> lol..very funny :)

06:14 <CoderForLife> ah, progressiveness screenus jumpiness

06:14 <TheGasGiant> wow it has a recognised techincal name

06:14 <CoderForLife> it's uncureable - fatal

06:15 <TheGasGiant> dang...but it only happens on some of the avi's not all of them

06:15 <CoderForLife> only the best pirated ones with DRM

06:15 <TheGasGiant> DRM comes within cooeee of this pupies internet connection

06:16 <CoderForLife> are the AVIs on local hard drive or DVD?

06:17 <TheGasGiant> local hard drive..I think it has something to do with frame rate mismatches....maybe

06:17 <CoderForLife> but they are in sync to start with?

06:17 <TheGasGiant> yup

06:18 <CoderForLife> what happens if you start later in the AVI?

06:18 <TheGasGiant> no idea..haven't tried that

06:18 <CoderForLife> you're welcome =)

06:19 <TheGasGiant> lol...but I have paused it and restarted and it works fine for a few minutes

06:19 <CoderForLife> that would tend to support you frame rate thought

06:20 <TheGasGiant> hmmm...i wonder if there is a setting within wmp?

06:20 <CoderForLife> what about if you change the size of the image?  is it losing ground due to the amount of screen painting work it has to do?

06:20 * CoderForLife hates WMP

06:20 * CoderForLife smiles sweetly and continues

06:21 <TheGasGiant> hmm...doesn't always this ep of CSI is fine but the ep of Ashes to Ashes had the problem

06:21 * TheGasGiant thinks he will use winamp next time

06:22 * CoderForLife does cartwheels

06:22 * TheGasGiant thinks maybe even zoomplayer

06:22 * CoderForLife learns of the proximity of the staircase

06:23 <quail> CoderForLife: hiya mate, how are you?

06:23 * CoderForLife picks himself up and dusts off

06:23 <quail> TheGasGiant: hiya mate, how are you?

06:23 <TheGasGiant> hola Dale :)

06:24 <CoderForLife> hello quail - fine, and you?

06:24 <TheGasGiant> all well for a Saturday night

06:24 <quail> CoderForLife: not to bad, still alive :-)

06:24 * CoderForLife looks out the window

06:24 <CoderForLife> exellent quail - a good report from you

06:24 * quail has blog something to CoderForLife interest :-)

06:25 <CoderForLife> I visit when blogarithm tells me you have an update

06:25 <quail> CoderForLife: you are my most active commenter to my blog :-)

06:25 <CoderForLife> lol

06:25 <CoderForLife> easy to gain that distinction =)

06:26 <quail> CoderForLife: I am not knocking you for doing it, it great to see people read my blog :-)

06:26 * TheGasGiant observes the love in while backing away quietly

06:26 <CoderForLife> lol

06:26 <quail> hehe

06:26 <CoderForLife> you leaving us TGG?

06:26 <TheGasGiant> nope...

06:26 <CoderForLife> ah

06:27 <quail> TheGasGiant: don't go, we got lots of love to share

06:27 <TheGasGiant> not unless the solar wind is blowing away my outer layers

06:27 <quail> hehe

06:27 <CoderForLife> I need to get about getting to the grocery store this morning - got a fun-filled day planned

06:27 <TheGasGiant> more opera?

06:27 <quail> ok, ttyl Don

06:28 * quail has some thai lime and chilli cashews to nibble on while you away

06:28 <CoderForLife> post office, gas station, bank, grocery store, take wife to her hair cut, visit in-laws, pick up lunch, get my haircut, work with cable guy to change out cable modem

06:28 * TheGasGiant considers booting into kubuntu partition

06:28 <quail> oh and of course TheGasGiant to chat to

06:29 <TheGasGiant> wow..busy

06:29 <quail> eep my ears

06:29 <CoderForLife> another perfectly good Saturday wasted =)

06:29 <quail> damn you xp / linux wonnabees

06:29 <TheGasGiant> lol...

06:30 <quail> CoderForLife: as long as you have fun :-)

06:30 <CoderForLife> anyway, I must be about my "chores"

06:30 <quail> ok, ttyl Don

06:30 <TheGasGiant> k..have a good day Don?

06:30 <TheGasGiant> !

06:30 <CoderForLife> see you nice folks back here so (hopefully)

06:30 <CoderForLife> sooon

06:30 <TheGasGiant> cya ace

06:30 <quail> TheGasGiant: how have you been?

06:30 <CoderForLife> buh-bye

06:31 * CoderForLife sees he is already "Away"

06:31 <TheGasGiant> OK..'cept for waking up at 2:30am this mornong

06:31 <CoderForLife> >gone<

06:31 <quail> :-(

06:31 <TheGasGiant> xactly

06:32 <TheGasGiant> FORD pissed me off yesterday

06:32 <quail> I have had a bad trot myself

06:32 <TheGasGiant> bugger

06:32 <TheGasGiant> brb

06:32 <Romulus> er no wonder they call them pigs. they eat like 'em

06:33 <quail> I had a stroke xmas eve, and then another a week later

06:33 <quail> err Romulus mind your Ps and Qs

06:33 <TheGasGiant> wow...that's bad news Dale....any after effects?

06:34 <quail> I have not been the same after, I have been finding it damn hard to get into what I ment to be

06:35 <TheGasGiant> concentration hs been affected then?

06:35 <quail> and I just mentally fading, eg concentration not there

06:36 <TheGasGiant> that sucks...

06:36 <quail> worst thing through all the testing they have not found a blood clot anywhere

06:36 <TheGasGiant> on blood thinners?

06:36 <quail> I have been

06:37 <TheGasGiant> wine works as well I hear!

06:37 <quail> I back to taking my daily asprine again

06:38 <TheGasGiant> you getting tested mentally as well?

06:38 <quail> and I have cut down on the tobacco heaps too

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06:38 <TheGasGiant> that's good!

06:39 <quail> yeah my doctor has given me some mental training to do to help with my memory

06:40 <TheGasGiant> you been doing it?'s important

06:40 <quail> one thing I have noticed tho is my dyslexia, not giving a big problem atm

06:41 <TheGasGiant> a small silver lining...

06:41 <quail> yeah but for how long tho

06:42 <quail> overall it might help

06:42 <TheGasGiant> never know...might be a permanent change for the good...brain rewires itself...

06:42 <quail> yep

06:43 <TheGasGiant> i'm going to head off Dale...been awake for a loong time

06:43 <TheGasGiant> getting sleepy

06:45 <TheGasGiant> keep well mate and I'll see you later.... ;)

06:46 <quail> ok mate ttyl

06:46 <quail> night night TheGasGiant

06:46 <TheGasGiant> ttfn

06:46 <TheGasGiant> >gone<

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08:02 <xcamel> 'lo

08:03 <KathrynM> hiya xcamel

08:03 <KathrynM> brb.  gotta pull dinner out of the oven

08:06 <KathrynM> back

08:45 <xcamel> something good for dinner?

08:45 <KathrynM> yeah

08:46 <KathrynM> chicken breast stuffed with spinach, bacon and camenbert cheese

08:46 <xcamel> yummy

08:46 <KathrynM> Had steamed carrots with it

08:46 <KathrynM> whole thing was great

08:46 <xcamel> chicken cordon-green

08:46 <KathrynM> lol

08:46 <KathrynM> kinda

08:53 <xcamel> well.. the snow didn't amount to much

08:53 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

08:53 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 53.6F / 12.0C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy in the morning with local drizzle...becoming partly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Patchy visibility one quarter mile or less at times in the morning. Highs 64 to 69. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the (1 more message)

08:57 <Soul_keeper>

08:57 <Romulus> Title: DailyTech - MSI Showcases Stirling Engine Heatsink (at

08:57 <Soul_keeper> wow impressive

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09:19 <xcamel> SK.. I had that idea a few years ago - never did anything with it...

09:19 <xcamel> go figure.

09:21 <Soul_keeper> it's probably not much better than passive cooling tho, but i like new ideas, or old ideas reaaplied :)

09:22 <Soul_keeper> a cpu version would be interesting

09:22 <Soul_keeper> if it kicks in around 40c that might work

09:22 <Soul_keeper> anyways time work work ttyl

09:23 <Soul_keeper> for*

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09:39 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86046

09:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 30.6F / -0.8C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 23.71in / 802.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 56 to 62. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 20 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 27 to 35. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph in the (1 more message)

09:39 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:39 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: evening becoming light.; Sunday - Much colder. Partly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow showers in the morning...a slight chance of snow showers in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet in the morning. Highs 41 to 47. West winds around 15 mph shifting to the north in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 10 percent.;

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09:56 <xcamel> 'lo BB

09:56 <KathrynM> mornin' PovAddict

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10:24 <BadBarbarian> ''lo Kat

10:24 <KathrynM> hiya bb

10:24 <BadBarbarian> 'lo jay snow deeoer

10:35 <KathrynM> lol

10:35 <KathrynM> "iveb nen hackled any i wnat my site back now"

10:35 <KathrynM> they should not let children have blogs

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12:27 <PovAddict> &factoids change #boinc OSX 1 s/42/43/

12:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

12:27 <PovAddict> &factoids change #boinc macintosh 1 s/42/43/

12:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

12:29 <PovAddict>

12:29 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at

12:31 <KathrynM> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

12:31 <KathrynM> compy's been idle last 2 hours

12:31 <PovAddict> OMG

12:32 <KathrynM> all stupid rpcs blocked by a hanging rpc to pirates

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12:34 <KathrynM> night all

12:34 <PovAddict> I still haven't seen any Pirate WU recently

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13:04 <mweltin> PovAddict, I have two questions

13:07 <Lorvija> Anyone up to troublehoot ie/ff layout prob? (:

13:08 <mweltin> whats that?

13:08 <mweltin> I dont think I have a prob with it

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13:13 <Lorvija> well i got (: designing a page atm

13:16 <PovAddict> try #web, or #css if your problem is indeed CSS

13:17 <Lorvija> ye, good idea (:

13:17 <mweltin> hey PovAddict, when passing the commandline arguemnt via the workunit or job.xml can it have spaces in it?

13:18 <mweltin> also if I pass a file name via the command line argu is it the physical name or logical name.

13:21 <PovAddict> it's up to the app to do something with the command line arguments

13:21 <mweltin> ok so physical name

13:21 <PovAddict> well aren't you using <copy_file/>?

13:21 <mweltin> yes

13:21 <PovAddict> the logical name would be a copy, not a link, so it would work too

13:22 <mweltin> ok

13:23 <mweltin> when I run it in stand alone mode std error "wrapper: running acoAlgo (-i)"

13:24 <mweltin> but it should be "-i filename"

13:24 <mweltin> I can pass -id198.tsp

13:25 <mweltin> actually that might work

13:25 <PovAddict> ew, how can it *not* allow multiple arguments?

13:27 <mweltin> I'm not sure

13:28 <mweltin> I'd rather use logical names

13:28 <mweltin> where is a better spot for the command line args, job.xml or wu_tempalte ?

13:29 <PovAddict> well, since it can change between workunits, use the WU template

13:29 <PovAddict> in fact, use create_work -command_line "-i filename"

13:29 <mweltin> I thought  because I use <copy/> I can use a logical name.

13:30 <mweltin> but I'll try it in the command line in create_work right now

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13:30 <mweltin> I just want to get this working

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13:57 <Rookie_69> &weather yhz

13:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM AST; Today - Cloudy. Snow at times heavy and local blowing snow beginning early this afternoon. Amount 10 cm(3.9 in). Wind east 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming southeast 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) this afternoon. High (2 more messages)

13:57 <Rookie_69> &more

13:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: -1C(30F).; Tonight - Snow at times heavy changing to periods of rain or drizzle this evening. Snowfall amount 2 to 4 cm(0.8 to 1.6 in). Rainfall amount 5 to 10 mm. Local blowing snow this evening. Fog patches overnight. Wind southeast 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) becoming southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) near midnight then becoming light overnight. Temperature rising to 4C(39F) by (1 more message)

13:57 <Rookie_69> &more

13:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: morning.; Sunday - A few rain showers ending early in the morning then cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming northwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) early in the afternoon. Temperature falling to -4C(24F) in the afternoon.;

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14:27 <xcamel> 'lo

14:27 <xcamel> Hi Glenn

14:28 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

14:29 <Rookie_69> Just putting in time while the snow flies...

14:31 <Rookie_69> ... and cooking up a big pot of soup.

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14:52 <CoderForLife> re-hi

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14:52 <CoderForLife> guy has not arrived yet with new cable modem

14:52 <xcamel> figures..

14:53 <CoderForLife> got a letter today from the cable company, promising a credit for the last year of turbo service that has not delivered promised speeds, and modem exchange for free

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14:53 <CoderForLife> I guess that's what this is about

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14:54 <CoderForLife> I may drop off without warning when (if) they show up for the swap

14:55 <Romulus> new app come out?

14:55 <CoderForLife> no Rommie

14:55 <CoderForLife> hellooooo Glenn

14:55 <CoderForLife> (and hello Jay)

14:55 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

14:57 <mweltin> anyone use the wrapper here?  My WU's fail because they can't rename the output files.

14:57 <mweltin> Im wondering if it's a problem between the physical names and logical names.

15:00 <CoderForLife> xcamel - what's the name of that small-form-factor PC you bought?

15:01 * CoderForLife runs speedtest before cable guy comes

15:02 <FreeLarry58> that and the cable company want access to adjust settings in modem for firmware

15:02 <FreeLarry58> for CoderForLife

15:03 <FreeLarry58> that was reason the dlink modem i had kept having trouble

15:03 <FreeLarry58> they needed to type a password

15:04 <CoderForLife> I had heard that the Toshiba modem I have was trouble

15:04 <CoderForLife> just ran a speed test: 8550 dn, 731 up, 67ms ping

15:04 <FreeLarry58> thats what the cable company was calling my old dlink - they gave me a surfmodem as replacement

15:05 <CoderForLife> my fastest ever was 8889 dn and 734 up

15:05 <FreeLarry58> better than mine but then i'm only paying for midgrade anymore

15:05 <CoderForLife> I'm wondering what it's supposed to be that I haven't been getting

15:05 <CoderForLife> this is Turbo Roadrunner

15:06 <CoderForLife> they said they will credit me the difference in cost between regular and Turbo

15:06 <FreeLarry58> looka like you are running a 1 M down and 756 K up

15:07 <mweltin> awwwww mega bit service

15:07 <mweltin> I miss that

15:07 <FreeLarry58> or another words typical high speed

15:07 <CoderForLife> 8.889mbps down

15:08 <mweltin> som day, a mean can dream a man can dream

15:08 <CoderForLife> I was a 5mbps before turbo

15:08 <CoderForLife> was at*

15:08 <FreeLarry58> don't know then

15:09 <FreeLarry58> unless thier equipment downgrades while you at nasty place

15:09 <CoderForLife> I dropped digital cable and switched to turbo RR for about the same price

15:09 <FreeLarry58> speaking of which

15:09 <FreeLarry58> &bye all

15:09 <Romulus> later ace

15:10 <mweltin> later

15:14 <xcamel> got pretty nice out considering all the snow..

15:15 <xcamel> 37F at the moment

15:18 <CoderForLife> 43F here - people have emerged from their houses everywhere to run, walk, bike in the streets

15:19 * CoderForLife notes that installation of sidewalks has been voted down multiple times

15:20 <nickuwo> no sidewalks... seems foolish

15:21 <Rookie_69> ~30F here... Snow and blowing snow. Nasty stuff.

15:21 <Rookie_69> Sidewalks are only fot those few that admit that they can't drive...

15:22 <Rookie_69> for

15:22 <xcamel> lol

15:22 <xcamel> I'm lucky I even have pavement

15:22 <CoderForLife> sidewalks were offered after the development went in, after sprinkler systems, brick driveways, landscaping, etc - to give a more "finished" feel - homeowners turned them down

15:23 <CoderForLife> too much invested in the "estate" feel

15:24 <CoderForLife> yards go right up to street curb

15:24 <Rookie_69> Right-of-way is still there... Pave it.

15:24 <CoderForLife> then we get to play chicken with people, cars, baby strollers, etc

15:25 <nickuwo> anybody run over kids on bikes?

15:26 <CoderForLife> not that I know of - but I've only lived here 2 years now

15:26 <mweltin> nickuwo no matter what I try I always get the same error

15:26 <Rookie_69> The other side of the harbour here has some law stating that landowner is responsible for clearing snow from sidewalks... That's one reason to vote it down.

15:26 <mweltin> cant rename output file on my wrapper wu's

15:26 <CoderForLife> no little white crosses seen in any front yards

15:27 <nickuwo> hmm

15:27 <CoderForLife> that's the way it was in my old neighborhood Glenn

15:27 <CoderForLife> if someone one fell on the slick sidewalk, I would be sued

15:28 <nickuwo> not sure I can help you but I'd like to know more about what your trying to do... Your renaming them after the wrapped prog is done with them, before you send them back to the server?

15:28 <mweltin> I changed all logical names to physical names in wu and result templates

15:28 <Romulus> I'll look at it..

15:28 <Rookie_69> This side of harbour, sidewalk plow just pushes it back into street.

15:28 <mweltin> well the worker produces 3 output files

15:29 <CoderForLife> cable company just called - they are on their way

15:29 <Rookie_69> Not Larry, I hope.

15:29 <mweltin> that are defined in the result template

15:30 <nickuwo> ok

15:30 <nickuwo> why do you need to rename them?

15:30 <mweltin> I dont know BOINC is doing it

15:30 <Rookie_69> Soup tastes more-ish. :-)

15:31 <nickuwo> hmm, so your getting errors because the client can't find the output files to send back to the server? is that right?

15:32 <mweltin> yes but the root of the problem is the renameing

15:32 <nickuwo> yea

15:32 <mweltin> cant find the output file because it was never written

15:32 <nickuwo> to the corret name

15:33 <nickuwo> correct

15:33 <mweltin> that is an asssumption of mine, but I have nothing to back that up.

15:33 <nickuwo> huh

15:33 <nickuwo> wierd

15:34 <nickuwo> and you tried changing the name is the wu result file...

15:34 <mweltin> the real instance file is called d198.tsp

15:35 <nickuwo> there's an <stdout_filename> thing in job.xml

15:35 <mweltin> yes

15:35 <nickuwo> umm

15:35 <nickuwo> :)

15:35 <mweltin> as well as the three ouput file names

15:35 <CoderForLife> I didn't take the call, Rookie_69, but my wife said that the guy said he would be right over to "getterdone", whatever that mean

15:35 <CoderForLife> s

15:35 <nickuwo> hmm

15:36 <Rookie_69> Wife now has a "date"?

15:36 <xcamel> ut-oh

15:36 <mweltin> I ahave a file_ref in the workunit but Im not sure that is needed.

15:38 <nickuwo> so your not positive that your wrapped prog is even creating an output file, but you believe it is, and that it is of the wrong format, so that your client can't find it. Maybe it would help if you could figure out what the name of the file that is output is called, then search for that, and change it if you find it (but again, you know BOINC better than i do so...)

15:38 <nickuwo> format = name

15:38 <mweltin> I'm not sure it's even running correctly

15:39 <Rookie_69> March... in like a lion..?

15:39 <mweltin> I have to look at theslot dir for the strerr

15:39 <mweltin> I haven't done that yer

15:39 <nickuwo> where is the "slot" dir

15:39 <xcamel> march - like a polar bear..

15:39 <Rookie_69> That's closer.

15:39 <nickuwo> it's refered to a bunch on the website, but they never tell you what it is

15:40 <Rookie_69> Donnie Osmond on PBS... Time to find another station.

15:40 <nickuwo> is it downloads/?

15:40 <mweltin> yes it downloads the file

15:40 <mweltin> that is tehonly thing I'm sure of.

15:41 <nickuwo> no, i mean what is the slot dir, is there a dir named slot?

15:41 <mweltin> yes

15:41 <Rookie_69> Family Guy... That's worse.

15:41 <nickuwo> ok

15:41 <nickuwo> Family Guy rox

15:42 <nickuwo> perhaps we can agreee that it's at least a smidge better than donnie osmond...

15:42 <Rookie_69> Hmm...

15:43 * mweltin lost faith in Rookie_69

15:43 <nickuwo> hehe

15:44 <Rookie_69> I dunno... I'm just a rookie.

15:45 <mweltin> the day any osmond is almost as good as Family Guy is a sad day in the universe.

15:45 <Rookie_69> Poof.

15:46 <Rookie_69> Where's The Simpsons when you need them?

15:47 * Rookie_69 inserts Star Trek tape.

15:47 <nickuwo> your living in the stone age rook

15:47 <Rookie_69> No ST on DVD yet...

15:48 <Rookie_69> ... in my collection, at least.

15:48 <nickuwo> that's crazy

15:49 <mweltin> I think I'm dealing with the input file wrong

15:49 <mweltin> I'm dont' see it in the download dir

15:51 <mweltin> nope it's there

15:52 <Rookie_69> Q jr, the snot-nosed brat episode of Voyager now playing...

15:57 <Rookie_69> Typical city workers... Plow the road now before it's really necessary then leave it to build up for tomorrow.

16:00 <mweltin> when an app makes it to the slots dir shouldn't it be executable?

16:02 <nickuwo> no clue

16:06 <Rookie_69> Professor Plum in the library with the lead pipe.

16:07 * Rookie_69 preferred Mousetrap because of the mechanics.

16:09 * Tank_Master thinks Professer Plum has been handeling that lead pipe to long

16:14 <nickuwo> how do you restart the X-server in linux?

16:15 <mweltin> startx

16:15 <nickuwo> but from the login screen, isn't there a keystroke to kill it and restart it?

16:15 <Romulus> 192.168..0.107 is in /var/lib/boinc?

16:15 <mweltin> ctrl alt backspace

16:16 <nickuwo> cool

16:16 <nickuwo> thx

16:17 <nickuwo> does romulus just spit out random words that have been said in this channel?

16:18 <Rookie_69> Seems so.

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16:18 * Tank_Master slaps wineguy around a bit with a large trout

16:19 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug's brother... Sorry, bad memory.

16:19 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:19 <wineguy> you could at least wait until I get my coffee

16:19 <xcamel> 'lo wg

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16:20 <wineguy> have I missed anything?

16:20 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, TM, WG

16:20 <xcamel> Hi mike

16:20 <mweltin> MTughan,

16:20 <mweltin> hey

16:21 <MTughan> You need to stop pressing Enter all the time... :P

16:21 <mweltin> what

16:21 <mweltin> do

16:21 <mweltin> you

16:21 <mweltin> mean?

16:22 <Tank_Master> h

16:22 <Tank_Master> e

16:22 <Tank_Master> m

16:22 <Tank_Master> e

16:22 <Tank_Master> a

16:22 <Tank_Master> n

16:22 <Tank_Master> t

16:22 <Tank_Master> o

16:22 <Tank_Master> s

16:22 <Tank_Master> a

16:22 <Tank_Master> y

16:22 <Tank_Master> t

16:22 <Tank_Master> ha

16:22 <Tank_Master> t

16:22 <Tank_Master> y

16:22 <Tank_Master> o

16:22 <Tank_Master> u

16:22 <Tank_Master> are

16:22 <Tank_Master> t

16:22 <Tank_Master> r

16:22 <Tank_Master> ik

16:22 <Tank_Master> er

16:22 <Tank_Master> happy

16:22 <Romulus> I have was trouble

16:22 <Tank_Master> triger*

16:22 <wineguy> you guys are giving the statbot fits

16:23 <Tank_Master> thats what they are good for

16:23 <MTughan> Tank_Master: trigger

16:23 <Tank_Master> MTughan: same diff

16:25 <Rookie_69> Not to those of us who are literate...

16:25 <Rookie_69> ;-)

16:25 <wineguy> its the thought that counts

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16:27 <wineguy> oops lost an op

16:27 <Tank_Master> ?

16:27 <Romulus> you ran bin/status ?

16:28 <xcamel> op lost an oops?

16:28 <wineguy> just lost

16:28 <Tank_Master> &stfu

16:28 * Romulus shuts up (fingers crossed)

16:28 * Tank_Master takes wire snipers to Romulus's fingers

16:28 <Rookie_69> Gotta remember that one.

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16:29 <Romulus> warns Tank_Master for the last time.

16:30 <Tank_Master> heh

16:31 <mweltin> hey PovAddict, I tried to rename all logical files with physical names and that didn't work either.  If the wrapper passes a command line arg to the workder to define a file it should use, is that really an input file from the workunit template persepective?

16:31 * Tank_Master geves the evil eye to xcamel

16:31 <Tank_Master> gives*

16:31 <PovAddict> if the worker opens a file it has to use, that's obviously an input file

16:31 <PovAddict> (doesn't matter where it gets the filename from, command line, hardcoded, config file)

16:32 <mweltin> well taht was what I thought.

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16:32 <Tank_Master> wb cfl

16:32 <mweltin> so I think my trouble is my result template.

16:32 <CoderForLife> cable guy has left

16:32 <Tank_Master> coo

16:33 <Tank_Master> you get an upgrade?

16:33 <mweltin> the worker produces three output files.

16:33 <Romulus> Oh Damn it that wimeguy

16:33 <mweltin> I have used the physical and logical names for these but I always get the same eror.

16:33 <Tank_Master> xcamel: its wine - not wime

16:33 <Rookie_69> Wiseguy?

16:33 <CoderForLife> the cable company wanted to replace my modem due to my using Turbo Roadrunner over the last year

16:33 <Tank_Master> lol Rookie_69

16:33 <wineguy> just dont call me win-guy

16:34 <mweltin> "can't rename output file aco_11_0" ... aco_11_1 adn aco_11_2

16:34 <Tank_Master> whats wrong with turbo RR?

16:34 <CoderForLife> they said they would credit me the difference between the basic and turbo costs

16:34 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:34 <wineguy> ginguy is acceptable

16:34 <Rookie_69> Mmm... Gin...

16:35 <CoderForLife> so he came and verified that the Toshiba 2200 needed to be swapped out

16:35 <wineguy> as long as it is plymouth

16:35 <CoderForLife> I now have a Motorola model

16:35 <CoderForLife> and I have now tested the speed

16:35 <Tank_Master> better?

16:35 <Rookie_69> Mine has a big M on it.

16:35 <CoderForLife> it's slower

16:35 <Tank_Master> mine is a airlink - from verison FIOS

16:35 <xcamel> slower?

16:35 <mweltin> also the wrapper example suggest nameing you job.xml file job_version.xml

16:35 <PovAddict> you should have tested while the guy was still around

16:36 <CoderForLife> what did you expect??

16:36 <CoderForLife> I;m dealing with the fraking cable company

16:36 <mweltin> but when I do that the stderr says it can't find job.xml, do I need to add that to the WU template as well.

16:36 <CoderForLife> yeah, I'm getting 6Mbps down and 460 kbps up now

16:36 <mweltin> its kind of an imput file.

16:37 <CoderForLife> a lot less than at 3:00 this afternoon with the old modem

16:37 <PovAddict> mweltin: job.xml could be considered an input file, or a file part of the application

16:37 <mweltin> right now its part of the app as its in the app dir.

16:37 <PovAddict> what's the file called?

16:38 <mweltin> its called job.xml now

16:38 <mweltin> the version name messed up everything

16:38 <CoderForLife> 3:00 8550 kbps dn, 731 kbps up, 67 ms ping; 4:30: 6971 dn, 486 up, 65 ms ping

16:38 <mweltin> well just the reading of the job.xml file

16:39 <PovAddict> mweltin: it should be called "job.xml=job_1.02.xml", so that the logical name is job.xml

16:39 <CoderForLife> I'll see what it's like in the morning, in case they need to make some changes elsewhere, then place a service call/complaint

16:39 <mweltin> if I name it anything other than job.xml, the stderr.txt in the slots dir says it can't find job.xml

16:40 <mweltin> I could make it an input file to the wu

16:40 <PovAddict> if you call it "job_1.02.xml", then it won't be found; if you call it "job.xml=job_1.02.xml", the physical name will be "job_1.02.xml" and the logical name (the one the wrapper looks for) will be job.xml

16:41 <mweltin> wow, I didn't get that from the wiki

16:42 <CoderForLife> oh well - that's my story

16:42 <CoderForLife> bbl

16:42 <mweltin> I just thought they were tyring to say that is what will happen in side the slot dir

16:42 <mweltin> so the name of the file is

16:42 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I keep losing IRC connection

16:42 <PovAddict> and many others

16:42 <mweltin> job_1.2.xml=job.xml

16:42 <Romulus> well big hello didn't work either. If the screen and works it way to run as a bottom-of-the-line admin

16:42 <CoderForLife> yeah me too Pov - over and over

16:43 * CoderForLife wanders off to kick the dog he doesn't have

16:43 <Rookie_69> Hey, Don...

16:43 <wineguy> yo

16:44 <MTughan> CoderForLife: Kick M$ for me, would you?

16:44 <CoderForLife> what Glenn

16:44 <Rookie_69> K. Just checking :-)

16:44 <Rookie_69> Wineguy is Don too.

16:44 * CoderForLife is away

16:44 <mweltin> and do the same for the worker app too

16:55 <mweltin> my apps dir has job.xml=job_1.0.xml and I still get the same error in the "can't open job file job.xml"

16:56 <PovAddict> did you update_versions after changing stuff on apps dir?

16:56 <mweltin> yes and it said no new versions found

16:56 <PovAddict> you have to change the version number

16:56 <mweltin> ok

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17:00 <mweltin> ok so before I run this I want to make sure my wu and result templates are correct.

17:00 <mweltin> I chaned all the logical names to physical names

17:01 <mweltin> but I don't want to do that, I'll pastebin what I have after I chnage them and if you could take a quick look PovAddict that would be GREAT.

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17:04 <mweltin>

17:04 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:06 <mweltin> ok getting closer that time

17:07 <mweltin> need to pass the logical name as the command line argument

17:07 <Romulus> 45 at almost 2 am

17:09 <PovAddict> looks ok to me

17:09 <mweltin> great

17:10 <mweltin> tahnks

17:11 <mweltin> things seem to be running at lest now

17:11 <Tank_Master> coo

17:11 * mweltin bows to PovAddict

17:11 <Tank_Master> lol

17:11 <Tank_Master>

17:11 <Romulus> <> (at

17:11 <Tank_Master> this is a great vid ;)

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17:14 <Tank_Master> hiya efc

17:15 <efc> moo

17:15 <mweltin> efc!

17:17 <mweltin> still can't remane the output files

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17:17 <mweltin> it runs at least and I can see the physical filesnames

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17:18 <mweltin> oh crap I think I know what it is

17:18 <mweltin> What happens if the physical input file defines its name within the file.

17:19 <mweltin> for example logical name Instance.tsp is physical file d198.tsp

17:19 <mweltin> I pass the command line arg -i Instance.tsp to the worker app.

17:20 <mweltin> the worker app reads that file to find the files name, it doesn't use the naem passed in by the switch.  Hence all the output files are named by the physical name and not the logical name.

17:21 <mweltin> this could be a problem

17:22 <PovAddict> well you gotta look at the app's code to see what it's saving

17:23 <mweltin> I passed it "-i Instance.tsp" and the three files it produced were cmd.d198 best.d198 and stats.d198

17:23 <mweltin> I just update the NAME parameter within the file and going to try again.

17:24 <PovAddict> well, the core client will be looking for a cmp.Instance file and not finding it

17:24 <PovAddict> hmm isn't there a typo there too?

17:24 <PovAddict> cmp cmd

17:24 <mweltin> yes that is exactly what happened

17:24 <mweltin> yes

17:24 <mweltin> cmp

17:25 <mweltin> the slots dir shows cmp.Instance stat.Instance and best.Instance now.

17:27 <mweltin> mmm it only updated two of the three I bet I have a typo in the result template

17:28 <mweltin> this is AWESOME TSP is going to have a new app soon.

17:31 <mweltin> yes missing <url><UPLOAD_URL/> tags

17:33 <Tank_Master> hehe

17:33 <Tank_Master> cool

17:38 <mweltin> I think I need to read the boinc pages in the early part of the day.

17:38 <Tank_Master> LOL -

17:38 <Romulus> <> (at

17:38 <mweltin> I totally missed all that job= and worker= file name stuff

17:40 <xcamel> buffalo chicken pizza - yummy

17:41 <wineguy> I've never seen a buffalo chicken.  Must be big suckers

17:41 * KathrynM is back (gone 05:14:45)

17:41 <KathrynM> mornin'

17:41 <mweltin> KathrynM!

17:41 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

17:41 <xcamel> 'lo K

17:42 <mweltin> getting closer on the ACO

17:42 <KathrynM> mweltin!

17:42 <mweltin> it's running now just ave a few issues to work out as far as asssimilation and validation

17:42 <KathrynM> I was just reading the 400 messages that scrolled by in the last 5 hours :)

17:42 <KathrynM> Congrats mweltin for taming the wrapper beast!

17:42 <mweltin> congrats to PovAddict really

17:45 <nickuwo> nice mweltin - now you get to help me!!! Yayy!! :)

17:45 <KathrynM> ahhhhhhh the wonderful BOINC community :)

17:45 <PovAddict> KathrynM: I have limits...

17:46 <PovAddict> if there are a few messages, I read them

17:46 <PovAddict> if they seem like hours of heavy talking, I type /clear

17:46 <MTughan> I don't read the 400-500 messages over a night. :P

17:46 <KathrynM> maybe read is the wrong word.  more like skim

17:46 <mweltin> I close my client

17:46 <KathrynM> and why am I awake?  it's not even 8 am?

17:46 <PovAddict> smart

17:46 <mweltin> if it didn't happen while I was at my desk it never happened.

17:47 <KathrynM> ahhh the whole desk = reality thing

17:48 <mweltin> its a subjecive reality but that is they way I like my reality anyway

17:48 <KathrynM> "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

17:49 <mweltin> the miracle of life

17:49 <MTughan> Adam Savage of Mythbusters.

17:49 * KathrynM misses mythbusters

17:49 <mweltin> saw it once

17:49 <mweltin> and not even an entire show

17:50 <mweltin> smash lab I haven't seen either but a nice set of microwave vids on youtube

17:51 <MTughan> I didn't see the episode, but they stuffed a cement truck with 500 lbs of TNT once.

17:51 <MTughan> Big boom.

17:51 <KathrynM> ahhhh

17:51 <KathrynM> yes.  it was a big boom!

17:51 <nickuwo> that was kickass

17:51 <PovAddict> yup... iPods playing music aren't enough...

17:52 <PovAddict> now *you* can play music on the iPod too

17:52 <PovAddict>

17:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - iAno (at

17:52 <MTughan> Uh oh, now I'm scared...

17:53 <PovAddict> wow I just got a dozen messages at once

17:54 <PovAddict> &ping

17:54 <Romulus> pong

17:57 <PovAddict> PING 1204412257

17:58 <KathrynM> new E@H win power app is FAST.

17:58 <KathrynM> I'm looking at a result that will finish in about 6:15

17:59 <PovAddict> I'm doing proteins@home

18:00 <PovAddict> I won't use sethy's term...

18:00 <KathrynM> I just finished up the last of my maleria control work.

18:00 <KathrynM> 19900 + 200 in pendings there

18:00 <KathrynM> so a nice milestone too

18:00 <Romulus> must be a good report from you

18:00 <PovAddict> I'll tell you mine on proteins

18:00 <PovAddict> when/if it loads

18:01 <PovAddict> 7849 credits + 759 pendings

18:01 <KathrynM> nice

18:01 <PovAddict> RAC doesn't stop going up

18:01 <KathrynM> :)

18:01 <PovAddict> I want to stay on a single project and see how high I can get the RAC

18:01 <KathrynM> I'm gonna switch the computer to all E@H to see what my rac will top out at

18:01 <KathrynM> jinx

18:02 <PovAddict> lol

18:02 <KathrynM> ralph is giving nice credits on linux right now

18:02 <PovAddict> I seem to be doing around 500 a day

18:02 <KathrynM>

18:02 <Romulus> <> (at

18:03 <PovAddict>

18:03 <Romulus> <> (at

18:03 <KathrynM> nice :)

18:03 <MTughan> How can I switch to a new version of the BOINC manager while keeping current tasks?

18:04 <PovAddict> MTughan: of the manager? there's just no way you could lose the tasks

18:04 <MTughan> Yeah, new manager. How do I keep my current settings?

18:04 <PovAddict> if you mean a whole-client upgrade; at least on Windows, the uninstaller deletes only what the installer added, so tasks stay

18:04 <KathrynM> just the manager?  or the whole package?

18:04 <MTughan> The manager on Fedora.

18:05 <PovAddict> on Linux, just run the installer shell script and it will overwrite programs

18:05 <PovAddict> KathrynM: did you look at the piano video?

18:05 <KathrynM> no

18:05 <KathrynM> which one?

18:05 <PovAddict>

18:05 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - iAno (at

18:06 <MTughan> Just extract it again?

18:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah, it will overwrite only apps

18:06 <PovAddict> well, and language files for mgr

18:07 <MTughan> All right. I'm gonna attach to Einstein too and try out their app.

18:07 <KathrynM> o.m.g..

18:07 <Tank_Master> ?

18:07 <KathrynM> iAno

18:07 * KathrynM shakes head

18:08 <Tank_Master> ahh

18:08 <PovAddict> I also downloaded a game like this

18:08 <Romulus> <> (at

18:08 <Tank_Master> yeah.. nother useless feature

18:08 <PovAddict> you can't drag pieces with the finger; you play it by tilting the iPod, pieces fall "by gravity" :)

18:08 <KathrynM> I HATE those puzzles

18:09 <MTughan> I've got that game for the TI-83+...

18:09 <PovAddict> the accelerometer thing on the iPod is more sensitive than I thought

18:09 <Tank_Master> lol

18:09 <KathrynM> I ended up ripping the tiles out and putting them back in in the correct places

18:09 <PovAddict> KathrynM: my sister is damn fast at them

18:09 <MTughan> PovAddict: The accelerometer is going to be sensitive. It's the program taking too much.

18:09 <PovAddict> MTughan: sorry I meant 'accurate' :)

18:10 <KathrynM> doing them the right way or ripping out the pieces?

18:10 <MTughan> Oh, more accurate than you though?

18:10 <MTughan> thought*

18:10 <PovAddict> yeah

18:10 <PovAddict> KathrynM: right way...

18:10 <KathrynM> wow.  I bow in her greatness

18:10 <MTughan> I can do them, but takes me about two-three minutes.

18:11 <KathrynM> takes me about that long to lose patience and rip the pieces out :)

18:11 <PovAddict> MTughan: I bet you're a bit like me...

18:11 <MTughan> Oh, you mean the actual ones...

18:11 <MTughan> I thought you meant you rip the pieces out in a virtual one. :P

18:11 <Romulus> when I do :)

18:11 <PovAddict> you'd have more fun making a virtual version of the puzzle than solving them

18:11 <MTughan> I was wondering how one does that.

18:11 <mweltin> fast does not mean accurate in the world of the accelerometer

18:11 <PovAddict> right? :)

18:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: Actually, not sure. I'd love testing it in either case. :P

18:12 <KathrynM> yeah, the plastic ones :)

18:12 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.

18:12 <PovAddict> I saw on TV a guy solving it in 1 minute

18:12 <PovAddict> with eyes covered

18:12 <mweltin> laer MTughan

18:12 <PovAddict> he has some kind of world record for that

18:13 <Tank_Master> hf MT

18:13 <PovAddict> he spends around a minute looking at the puzzle and "planning a strategy", then they cover his eyes and he starts sliding the pieces fast as hell and solves it

18:13 <KathrynM> amazing

18:14 <PovAddict> but then there are people who can do the same with rubik cubes o_O

18:15 <mweltin> so PovAddict, I'm going to be running an experiment to see how the ACO scales as higher order TSP (i.e. more cities)

18:16 <mweltin> I'm woundering what I should use for my WU template fpops estimate.

18:16 <PovAddict> run it once locally

18:16 <mweltin> should I use the largest number of cities?

18:16 <PovAddict> oh runtime will vary widely between WUs?

18:16 <mweltin> well lest say I plan to run it on 10, 100, 1000 ... 10M city TSP's

18:16 <mweltin> yes

18:17 <PovAddict> shouldn't you run such a test locally?

18:18 <PovAddict> if you don't even know if 1000 will take twice or 10 times or 400 times longer than 100...

18:18 <mweltin> ACO is stocastic in nature

18:18 <mweltin> to get any kind of statistically significant values for runtime or %of optimal tour I need to run the aco 100's of times.

18:18 <PovAddict> I mean, you should get a (very rough) idea on how much it will take for each number of cities

18:18 <mweltin> hence the use of boinc.

18:19 <Romulus> can I control which files someone downloads ?

18:19 <mweltin> yes I can do some tests locally

18:19 <PovAddict> by running it *once* locally, for each one

18:19 <KathrynM> will run time vary within each number of cities?

18:19 <KathrynM> Of course it will vary between them.

18:19 <mweltin> KathrynM, yes

18:19 <mweltin> it could

18:20 <mweltin> not much, its a random thing

18:20 <PovAddict> mweltin: but how much?

18:20 <PovAddict> factor of 100? :)

18:20 <KathrynM> heh.  I was just typig that :)

18:20 <KathrynM> typing even

18:21 <mweltin> depends on how it runs I can set the number of tries staticly, but because speed is a factor, I want it to be able to stop when if finds a path say that is within 1% of optimal

18:21 <KathrynM> kinda like rosetta looking for lowest energy structures?

18:21 <mweltin> unlikely that for a given set of cites it would vary but a fator or 100

18:21 <PovAddict> run it *once* on your machine, for each city count you want to test

18:21 <PovAddict> then use that as estimate

18:21 <mweltin> KathrynM, very much so.

18:22 <KathrynM> gah, brb...  gotta feed the gp.  she's going nuts in her cage

18:22 <mweltin> ok, so you are suggesting different WU templates for the different sized TSPs

18:22 <mweltin> which is not a problem.

18:22 <PovAddict> well not really, you can pass the estimate to create_work

18:22 <PovAddict> but sure you can use multiple templates too

18:23 <mweltin> ok.  do I neven need templates if I'm going to make a proper work generator in C?

18:24 <PovAddict> templates just save you from setting parameters that will always be the same

18:24 <PovAddict> but I don't know how to set things like input files on a template

18:25 <mweltin> don't you just use the file_info and open_name xml tags ?

18:25 <PovAddict> uhh mistyped

18:26 <PovAddict> but I don't know how to set things like input files if you don't use a template, so I think you do need one

18:26 <PovAddict> there :)

18:26 <mweltin> gotcha

18:26 <mweltin> ok

18:29 <xcamel> interesting:

18:29 <xcamel>

18:29 <Romulus> <> (at

18:30 <xcamel> 'Key To Life Before Its Origin On Earth May Have Been Discovered (Handedness)'

18:33 <KathrynM> ugh.  I always hated figuring out handedness in o chem

18:33 <mweltin> o was to date one of if not the hardest class I took

18:34 <KathrynM> it's a toss up between o chem and physics for me.

18:34 <mweltin> that stuff just won't stick in my head no matter what I did to study it.  Labs didn't help nothing

18:34 <KathrynM> ugh.  labs

18:34 <KathrynM> don't remind me of o chem lab

18:34 <KathrynM> only thing worse than o chem was quant

18:34 <mweltin> I was fine in physics, you could always work out with logic what you needed

18:34 <xcamel> loved o chem..

18:34 <KathrynM> actually the only part of physics that i never really got was all the electicity stuff

18:35 <mweltin> o-chem was so stats based

18:35 <xcamel> long, long ago...

18:35 <KathrynM> those lines and circles and squiggles

18:35 * KathrynM shudders

18:35 <KathrynM> i did love qualitative analysis tho.  nmr, ir, mass spec

18:35 <KathrynM> that was fun

18:35 <mweltin> that ws good times for me, although I must admit I suck as analog cricuit design

18:36 <mweltin> beyond simple RF circuits and such I'm usless

18:36 <KathrynM> give me anova or factor analysis or regression any day

18:36 <KathrynM> i'll take those in a heart beat over circuits and crap

18:36 <PovAddict> I only ever did digital circuits

18:37 <PovAddict> no problem if I plug together integrated circuits that do somewhat-complex stuff on their own, but give me just a bunch of transistors and I'll either blow something up or just not do anything useful

18:38 <KathrynM> heh.  at least i wasn't in the lab group that blew out all the fuses on their lab table :)

18:38 <PovAddict> although I once got an IC pretty hot...

18:38 <PovAddict> connected power on the wrong pin

18:38 <PovAddict> I think that pin was supposed to be

18:38 <PovAddict> er

18:38 <PovAddict> I think that pin was supposed to be *output*...

18:38 <KathrynM> whoops

18:39 <mweltin> we used to hook up caps the wrong way just to get them to pop.

18:39 <PovAddict> at least it didn't blow up

18:39 <PovAddict> lol mweltin

18:39 <KathrynM> lol

18:39 <KathrynM> now that I think aobut it.  I kinda enjoyed the stuff about light and sound in intro physics

18:40 <PovAddict> doing circuits with basic components like transistors is a bit like coding in assembler

18:40 <mweltin> well crap now taht this is working I have to figure out how to write my worgenerator validator and assimilaotr

18:40 <KathrynM> but more likely because it fit into what I was doing in my perception class at the time.

18:40 <KathrynM> oh.  that sounds like fun mweltin

18:40 <PovAddict> a pain, hard to get anything complex done, a pain, large possibility of screwing up, and few people really do it anymore :P

18:40 <mweltin> I asked a guy once taht same thing, so curit design is like programming

18:41 <mweltin> he said no, but he was a tool

18:41 <mweltin> it really is.

18:41 <KathrynM> lol

18:41 <KathrynM> maybe that's why I suck at both

18:41 <mweltin> LOL

18:41 <PovAddict> mweltin: well, instead of doing if (a==0) you plug logic gates the right way to see if all of the bits are on low level

18:41 <PovAddict> seems similar to me

18:42 <PovAddict> actually, == 0 is quite easy...

18:42 <PovAddict> connect together all the bits (with diodes), and if you get high level at the other end, at least *one* bit was high level too

18:42 <mweltin> you can use transitors as if statements, and capictors as while and for conditions

18:43 <mweltin> and with those IC's liek the programable gate arrays verilog is just like C

18:43 <mweltin> LOL

18:43 <PovAddict> well yeah lol

18:43 <PovAddict> but I wasn't using anything programmable

18:43 <mweltin> funny story, I talked a guy into taking a verilog class with me once.

18:44 <mweltin> he didn't have much programming experience

18:44 <PovAddict> just CMOS 4000 series

18:44 <mweltin> Every time the Prof said "its just like C" my friend would just glare at me.

18:44 <KathrynM> lol

18:44 <KathrynM> I'd glare at you too

18:44 <KathrynM>

18:44 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 925080 (at

18:44 <KathrynM> my latest round of dumb questions to Eric

18:45 <mweltin> I woke up today thinking it was friday

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18:45 <PovAddic1> &seen PovAddict

18:45 <Romulus> PovAddic1: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 1 minute and 16 seconds ago: <PovAddict> just CMOS 4000 series

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18:45 <PovAddict> I still remember the pin distribution...

18:45 <Romulus> <> (at

18:45 * CoderForLife wanders back

18:46 <KathrynM> eek

18:46 <KathrynM> that's scary PovAddict

18:46 <PovAddict> why

18:46 <KathrynM> wb CoderForLife

18:46 <mweltin> ok cfl is here guess its time for me to leave :)

18:46 <CoderForLife> thx

18:46 <mweltin> take care everyone

18:46 <KathrynM> ttyl mweltin

18:46 <CoderForLife> cya

18:46 <mweltin> I'll be back later, I need coffee or a nap not sure which

18:47 <CoderForLife> shift change

18:47 <KathrynM> nap

18:47 <PovAddict> 4093 that's the NAND circuit I had

18:47 <mweltin> ttl you later

18:47 * KathrynM doesn't even know what a NAND circuit is

18:47 <mweltin> ttl is a logical gate standard that uses 5V

18:47 <Romulus> 2.4V Windows x32 SSE3 Intel?

18:47 <mweltin> not AND

18:47 <mweltin> later

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18:48 <Tank_Master> um... bye mw...

18:48 <PovAddict> see the little table

18:48 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:50 * KathrynM head explodes

18:50 <PovAddict> if both are 1, result is 0

18:50 <PovAddict> that simple...

18:51 <KathrynM> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

18:51 <KathrynM> simple

18:51 * KathrynM nods and smiles

18:52 <CoderForLife> &seen xcamel

18:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 17 minutes and 35 seconds ago: <xcamel> long, long ago...

18:55 <CoderForLife> actually, truth be told, I am designing a timer for some pumps in the basement

18:56 <PovAddict> :o?

18:56 <CoderForLife> it consists of cascaded 4029s driven by a 555 timer

18:57 * PovAddict looks up 4029

18:57 <PovAddict> ah I think I had that one too

18:57 <xcamel> eh?

18:57 * KathrynM decides to go back to bed.

18:57 <KathrynM> laters all

18:57 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

18:57 <CoderForLife> I am planning to use a couple of NAND gates to latch the final count

18:58 <CoderForLife> cya K

18:58 * CoderForLife has a sizable inventory of TTL chips

18:58 <CoderForLife> I just found my breadboards last week

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18:59 <CoderForLife> I didn't do CMOS

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19:01 <wineguy> talking trons has run everyone off

19:04 <CoderForLife> it's the underlying essence of boinc

19:06 <PovAddict> sounds like fun CFL

19:06 <PovAddict> I was looking on Romulus's log (which just updated), since I had missed your message during my d/c

19:07 <CoderForLife> ah

19:07 <Romulus> you need a unique name, are they using vista?

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19:11 <xcamel> bbiab..

19:11 <CoderForLife> later

19:13 <wineguy> cfl: btw why timers instead of checking levels?

19:14 <CoderForLife> hmm?

19:14 <wineguy> pumps in the basement

19:14 <CoderForLife> pump run time

19:14 <CoderForLife> not control

19:14 <wineguy> ahhh

19:17 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

19:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38.3F / 3.5C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Patchy drizzle after midnight. Low in the upper 30s. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday (2 more messages)

19:17 <wdsmia> &more

19:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: - Cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Areas of drizzle in the morning...then a chance of rain and areas of drizzle in the afternoon. High in the mid 40s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. South wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the west in the afternoon. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Sunday Night - Cloudy...snow...rain and sleet likely in the evening...then a chance of snow after (1 more message)

19:17 <wdsmia> &more

19:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: midnight. Colder. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Low in the upper 20s. North wind 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.;

19:18 <CoderForLife> ok - time for me to run away again

19:18 <wineguy> tata

19:19 <CoderForLife> good night boinclanders of the world

19:19 <wdsmia> cya

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19:33 <PovAddict> &httpcode 530

19:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find 530 in httpcode.

19:33 <PovAddict> &httpcode 501

19:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: Not Implemented

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19:36 <Antkin> Hello Romulus

19:37 <Antkin> Romulus hello

19:37 <Romulus> Hello, Antkin!

19:37 <PovAddict> &help hello

19:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: (hello <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hello, $nick!".

19:37 <PovAddict> I didn't know that one...

19:37 <PovAddict> hi Antkin

19:38 <Antkin> I need help with Boinc Manager

19:39 <PovAddict> ask your question :)

19:40 <Antkin> I've had a power cut, since then Boinc Manager opens a Linux Terminal window insted ot the browser

19:40 <PovAddict> when clicking a button that should open a website?

19:41 <Antkin> it opened Konqurer before the power cut

19:41 <PovAddict> cd ~; ls -a .BOINC*

19:42 <Antkin> What's that?

19:43 <PovAddict> BOINC Manager stores a hidden file on your home directory to store its settings, maybe it got corrupted

19:43 <PovAddict> but I don't remember its name

19:43 <PovAddict> sure starts with .BOINC

19:44 <Antkin> cd ~; ls -a .BOINC* do I put this in a terminal window?

19:44 <PovAddict> yes

19:44 <PovAddict> but g2g to dinner now

19:46 <Antkin> Just did it thanks have a good meal

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20:14 <Antkin> Hello all

20:16 <Antkin> hello

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20:48 <zombie67> boinc is stupid

20:48 <zombie67> I have an 8- way machine, with two threads idle, because there are two cel tasks being downloaded

20:50 <zombie67> an hour or later (or more) still d/l and still idle

20:50 <zombie67> 5.10.43

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21:30 <PovAddic1> zombie67: that's cell's fault

21:30 <PovAddic1> way too slow

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21:31 <PovIpod> testing

21:40 <PovIpod> got quiet in here

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21:47 <mirvk> hello all

21:48 <PovIpod> hi

21:48 <mirvk> trying to compile my own workgen

21:48 <mirvk> having problems

21:49 <mirvk> can anyone help?

21:50 <mirvk> g++ ddas_workgen.C -o ddas_workgen -lboinc -lsched -L/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/sched/ -L/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/lib -I/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/sched -I/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/lib -I/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/tools -I/home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/db -lmysqlclient -L/usr/lib64/mysql3/mysql -lpthread /home/boinc/boincsrc/boinc/lib/crypt.o

21:50 <mirvk> that gives me:

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21:51 <PovAddict> thank god for server-enforced flood control

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21:51 <PovAddict> thank god for server-enforced flood control

21:51 <PovAddict> *don't* paste a dozen lines into the channel

21:51 <PovAddict>

21:51 <mirvk> oops

21:51 <mirvk> :-)

21:51 <mirvk> ok

21:52 <mirvk>

21:52 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:53 <PovAddict> don't include -lboinc

21:53 <mirvk> k

21:53 * PovIpod restarts iPod to test new app

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21:54 <mirvk> ok i have new errors now - ill be back if i run into a wall again

21:56 <mirvk> where is generate_signature located?

21:57 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:59:52)

21:58 <mirvk> nvm..

22:00 <mirvk>

22:00 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

22:02 <mirvk> is that a non-boinc dependency?

22:02 <PovAddict> boinc/lib/crypt.C

22:02 <PovAddict> line 269

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22:41 <zombie67> back

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22:42 <zombie67> pov, I know that cels is too slow.  But that should not prevent boinc from getting more work wile d/l is basically stalled

22:42 <PovAddict> well, double-edged sword

22:42 <KathrynM> I thought a change had gotten checked in to deal with that.  Or am I imagining things

22:43 <Romulus> I'm using it for my upgrade dropped $10, and the vid card dropped $5.

22:43 <PovAddict> if it looks only at fully-downloading workunits to know if it should fetch more work, it's very easy to get it overcommitted

22:43 <PovAddict> asks for work

22:43 <PovAddict> work starts downloading

22:43 <PovAddict> it looks only at fully-downloading workunits and thinks it's still low, asks for more

22:44 <PovAddict> then all work finishes downloading, and ends up having *too much*!

22:44 <PovAddict> now, if it looks at tasks that have been received, even if their files haven't finished downloading... you get your current problem

22:45 <zombie67> the odd bit, is I have 0 connection interval + .5 days additional.

22:45 <PovAddict> suspend the project

22:45 <zombie67> at it is barely keeping enough work for all 8 threads

22:46 <zombie67> will it still d/l while suspended?

22:46 <PovAddict> I think not

22:46 <PovAddict> but at least you'll get more work, then you can unsuspend

22:46 <zombie67> ah

22:46 <PovAddict> or... there is a workaround (not too simple)

22:47 <PovAddict> which is suspending, and downloading the file(s) by hand

22:47 <PovAddict> :)

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23:02 <zombie67> pov, you playing in the bunny race?

23:03 <PovAddict> what race?

23:03 <zombie67> WCG easter race

23:03 <PovAddict> nope

23:03 <PovAddict> but I will join POEM race

23:04 <PovAddict> /challenge/whatever

23:05 <zombie67> BS is not the problem with Cels.  It is their pitiful pipe.  It would be like this with only 20 users

23:06 <zombie67> also, they can't seem to get the compression method to work.

23:06 <zombie67> the uploads are 3mb too.  u/l speeds are even slower for that kind of account.

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23:12 <zombie67> tomorrow, I break 1,000,000 @ wcg

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23:44 <zombie67> looks like cels finally caught up

23:47 <PovAddict> wow

23:49 <zombie67> I also have cable isp

23:49 <zombie67> it is about 4-8x faster than DSL

23:49 <PovAddict> mine is 600kbps

23:49 <zombie67> u/l is about the same thought.

23:50 <Romulus> I have that problem sometimes to

23:50 <zombie67> mine is about 8mbs

23:50 <PovAddict> I used to have ADSL 256k

23:50 <PovAddict> and before that, dialup :]

23:51 <zombie67> but!  If you actually start using it sustained, the cable company starts throttling.  esp for bittorrent

23:51 <zombie67> my first modem was 2400 baud

23:52 <zombie67> so that 8 meg connection is really good for only short bursts.  anything sustained, and they think you are running a server and throttling kicks in

23:52 <zombie67> crap

23:53 <zombie67> just running >2 depspid tasks on my hosts can trigger it

23:53 <PovAddict> lame

23:53 <PovAddict> it's like verizon and their data service for cellphones

23:53 <zombie67> yep

23:53 <PovAddict> they advertise it unlimited

23:53 <PovAddict> then throttle you or close your account if you use too much

23:53 <PovAddict> guess they have their own definition of "unlimited"

23:54 <zombie67> oh, and of course they don't SAY they do any throtteling

23:54 <zombie67> and it is no where in their documentation

23:54 <PovAddict> some companies SAY they DON'T throttle and they actually do

23:54 <zombie67> you just have to "feel" it to know it is happening

23:54 <zombie67> truth is, they have oversold their network.

23:55 <PovAddict> going to bed before I pass out

23:55 <zombie67> if everyone were to d/l at full speed, there is NO WAY they could support 8m

23:55 <zombie67> gn!

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