IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-03-08

00:00 <MTughan> &cad

00:00 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

00:12 <zombie_67> hi MT

00:12 <zombie_67> MW has some new HOT opt apps as standard DL.  nice creds

00:13 <MTughan> ACO's up?

00:14 <MTughan> zombie67: Who/what do you mean by MW? mweltin?

00:21 <Wabbit98> yo yo

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00:21 <mirvk2> o/

00:21 <MTughan> Hey.

00:21 <mirvk2> why does BOINC mgr need to run as admin

00:22 <KathrynM> howdy

00:22 <MTughan> It doesn't.

00:22 <mirvk2> it kind of pisses me off

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00:22 <mirvk2> every time i try to run it

00:22 <Wabbit98> wait is the ACO app up?

00:22 <MTughan> Wabbit98: No.

00:22 <mirvk2> it prompts me for admin

00:22 <KathrynM> vista mirvk2 ?

00:22 <MTughan> mirvk2: First, what OS and version?

00:22 <mirvk2> yes

00:22 <mirvk2> vista

00:22 <MTughan> Okay, I was thinking root on Linux...

00:22 <KathrynM> heh

00:23 <MTughan> As for why BOINC would need admin permission, I couldn't tell you that.

00:23 <MTughan> I do BOINC on Mac and Linux, but I'm not a major Windows person.

00:23 <KathrynM> vista suck?

00:23 <KathrynM> *sucks?

00:23 <mirvk2> lol

00:23 <MTughan> Oh, Vista's always sucked.

00:23 <mirvk2> no comment

00:24 <MTughan> XP's better by far.

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00:24 <mirvk2> i just have this problem

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00:24 <mirvk2> i dont want to run my client as admin

00:24 <mirvk2> its stupid

00:24 <MTughan> No, that makes sense.

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00:24 <KathrynM> it should be promting for uac, not running as an administrator

00:25 <KathrynM> or you could install as a service and only start the manager when you need to do something

00:25 <mirvk2> yep but im debugging my executable

00:25 <mirvk2> so ..

00:25 <mirvk2> :(

00:26 <mirvk2> oh well thx anyways

00:26 <KathrynM> are you building your own version of boinc?

00:26 <mirvk2> im building an app on top of boinc if thats what u mean

00:29 <KathrynM> bbiab

00:29 <KathrynM> sorry mirvk2

00:29 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

00:29 <mirvk2> np

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00:52 <MTughan> I wish there was a developer feature of UAC, so you could see what the program was asking to do...

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00:53 <MTughan> You could turn UAC off temporarily while you're developing your app, mirvk2.

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00:54 <MTughan> 'loe

00:54 <MTughan> 'lo e*

00:54 <efc> hey

00:54 <efc> hard drives flaked out for some reason, had to rejumper them

00:54 <MTughan> Nice.

00:55 <efc> They were working, take system home, and system couldn't see them anymore

00:55 <MTughan> Odd.

00:55 <efc> they were set to master/slave, now to CS on both

00:55 <MTughan> CAD updated while you were away too.

00:58 <MTughan> &math convert 5h to seconds

00:58 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 5h is not a valid unit.

00:58 <MTughan> &math convert 5 hours to seconds

00:58 <Romulus> MTughan: 18000

00:59 <MTughan> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214

00:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 29234.0304363

00:59 <MTughan> &math convert [math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214] seconds to hours

00:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 8.12056401008

00:59 <MTughan> Not bad...

01:00 <MTughan> Progress on an Einstein app and the estimated total running time.

01:01 <MTughan> &monologue

01:01 <Romulus> MTughan: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.

01:01 <Wabbit98> &monologue

01:01 <Romulus> Wabbit98: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.

01:04 <zombie_67> MT, you'll like this....

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01:06 <zombie_67> I have a G5 iMac here for a friend that comes over frequently.  Sometimes uses it for work.  Anyway...it died.  Gonna have to take it in.

01:07 <zombie_67> Internally thinking, "Weee!  I get to replace it with a C2D iMac!!!"

01:07 <zombie_67> turns out that it was a known flaw with the psu.  apple will fix it for free....dangit.

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01:23 <MTughan> Yeah, I thought the same thing when they had to replace the motherboard in my Macbook. But seems they still have Core Duo motherboards around...

01:26 <zombie_67> maybe if I TRY HARDER, I can break it?

01:26 <zombie_67> ;)

01:29 <zombie_67> You know, a stack of 20 mac Minis....not much space or power....

01:30 <MTughan> Renderfarm!

01:36 <zombie_67> that is 20x$600 = $12,000 for 40 cores.

01:36 <zombie_67> I can get a referb dell 8-way for $2k each

01:37 <zombie_67> 5 x $2k = $10k, and much faster than the minis.

01:37 <zombie_67> but much higher power consumption

01:41 <MTughan> How about a $30,000 Mac Pro?

01:41 <MTughan> xD

01:41 <MTughan> Or rather, $9100CDN to upgrade the Mac Pro to 32GB RAM.

01:42 <zombie_67> NEVER pay for apple RAM

01:42 <zombie_67> how many slots again?  8?

01:43 <zombie_67> $3200 for 32gb here:  http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory

01:44 <MTughan> Yeah, 8 slots. But Apple says they have a more stringent requirement for heat dissipation on their RAM.

01:44 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214

01:44 <Romulus> mirvk2: 29234.0304363

01:44 <mirvk2> :-)

01:44 <MTughan> I don't know if that's true or not.

01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.00000000001

01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 1848000000000000

01:45 <zombie_67> OWC are apple experts.  they know what they are talking about

01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.00000000000000000000001

01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 1848000000000000127909494784

01:45 <MTughan> And I can't load the page, zombie_67...

01:45 <mirvk2> must...cause....overflow...

01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 184799999999999992850339772784025112328039038976

01:45 <mirvk2> :-x

01:45 <MTughan> "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading."

01:45 <zombie_67> MT:  http://www.macsales.com/

01:45 <Romulus> Title: Find the latest Performance Upgrades, Firewire and USB Hard Drives, SATA, Memory, Laptop Battery, and more at OWC (at www.macsales.com)

01:46 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

01:46 <Romulus> mirvk2: 184800000000000012055213367344620455958722207010405175795274809210956677120

01:46 <zombie_67> click on the mac pro "fully match sets"

01:46 <MTughan> That one works.

01:46 * mirvk2 cries

01:46 <zombie_67> pick the faster one

01:46 <mirvk2> damn you arbitrary length math libraries

01:46 <mirvk2> damn you!

01:46 <zombie_67> for the new MPs

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01:46 <Romulus> cool tonight...hardly seems like each uses a website, I know of

01:46 <MTughan> I wasn't planning on buying a Mac Pro, but thanks anyway.

01:48 <zombie_67> my point is that.....$30k?!?!

01:48 <zombie_67> because of memeory?  really?

01:48 <MTughan> xD

01:48 <MTughan> Well no, all upgrades.

01:48 <MTughan> $9,100 from memory.

01:50 <zombie_67> okay, well that takes $5900 out

01:50 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to be off to bed. Almost 2AM.

01:50 <zombie_67> gn MT!

01:50 <MTughan> &cad too.

01:50 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

01:50 <MTughan> &nn

01:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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02:08 <efc> what did you want 30 mac minis for?

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02:10 <zombie_67> just thinking of a very compact, low energy farm

02:10 <zombie_67> but it was only 20

02:10 <zombie_67> ;)

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02:11 <efc> Invest in my FPGA project :)

02:12 <zombie67> I think you told me about that

02:12 <zombie67> you showed me apicture of a large fab covered in chips?

02:15 <efc> Dunno if that was it but similar idea

02:15 <efc> good power numbers on those, probably 100x more power efficient than a p4

02:16 <efc> cost wise i'm not sure it really beats out regular systems by enough

02:18 <zombie67> you saw my numbers.  15-20% cheaper with towers.  Probably 30-40% cheaper with rack ervers.  cheaper than minis.

02:18 <zombie67> but the power savings over time....

02:19 <zombie67> brb

02:20 <efc> i guess something like a multi socket quad core would be the best..

02:20 <efc> You might save a few more watts running off flash memory

02:22 <Tank_Master> or a flash HD

02:22 <Tank_Master> but those are spendy

02:22 <efc> you can get an ide adapter for compact flash memory

02:22 <Tank_Master> same tieh sata

02:22 <efc> around $10 i think

02:22 <Tank_Master> with*

02:23 <Tank_Master> 10ish, yeah, sounds right

02:23 <Tank_Master> n 20 for a 4gb flash

02:23 <efc> Just to run boinc could do with less..

02:23 <efc> Could run a stripped linux, or NT4 or something like taht

02:24 <Tank_Master> ot XP

02:24 <efc> I've seen NT4 run on like a 16 meg flash disk

02:24 <Tank_Master> or*

02:24 <Tank_Master> nice

02:24 <Tank_Master> I had XP running on a 2GB HD

02:25 <Tank_Master> ran BOINC with no probs

02:25 <Tank_Master> so 4GB flash would be heaven

02:26 <efc> Or, do a netboot. But not many people seem to pull that off.

02:27 <zombie67> yeah, quad or oct way quad core ships

02:27 <zombie67> chips

02:28 <zombie67> but the chips that will go >2 per blade are WAY too expensive

02:28 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:28 <Tank_Master> I want 8way octicore chips!

02:28 <zombie67> I keep eye-balling the 7000 series....

02:28 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:29 <efc> The FPGAs would do great, but its such a huge project

02:29 <zombie67> or the T2 chips...8 core/32 threads....

02:29 <zombie67> GREAT for I/O, but only FPU per core

02:29 <zombie67> so not great for BOINC

02:30 <zombie67> I mean, it would STILL perform as well as any 8-core chip.

02:30 <zombie67> but not like a 32 core chip

02:31 <efc> you have to start killing your memory bandwidth with so many cores..

02:31 <Tank_Master> It will be interesting to see what kind of performance intel's new embeded SPU can do

02:31 <zombie67> GREAT power consumption numbers though

02:31 <Tank_Master> CPU*

02:31 <efc> seti used to bottleneck pretty bad on just a p4, though i think the software has gotten better

02:31 <Tank_Master> it consumes 2-4w on full load

02:31 <Tank_Master> and 11 of the CPUs can fit on a penny

02:31 <zombie67> ROCK....

02:31 <Romulus> lets say you have just one, or are there no ops in this myself though....

02:32 <zombie67> T2 will eventually go 4-way

02:33 <zombie67> Sorry, I was giving you T1 numbers.

02:33 <zombie67> T2 is 8 cores, 8 threads each

02:33 <zombie67> 64 threads

02:33 <Tank_Master> nice

02:33 <zombie67> 64x4 = 256 thread/blade

02:33 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:33 <efc> In what sense is it 8 threads per core?

02:33 <Tank_Master> NOW we are talkin

02:33 <zombie67> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T2

02:33 <Romulus> Title: UltraSPARC T2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

02:33 <Tank_Master> think hyperthreading goin extream

02:34 <efc> hyperthreading is not as great as people seem to think..

02:34 <zombie67> but better implementation than pentium HT

02:34 <efc> but'll read that

02:34 <Tank_Master> its better than not being there

02:35 <zombie67> awesome power with T2

02:35 <zombie67> now, putting that aside...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Rock

02:35 <Romulus> Title: Rock processor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

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02:36 <efc> Bad "threading" can be worse than none..

02:36 <zombie67> Each Rock processor chip includes sixteen cores, with each core capable of running two threads simultaneously, yielding 32 threads per chip.

02:36 <efc> It may cause the caches to thrash

02:37 <efc> The Sparcs have had a hardware context switch for 20 years.. wonder if this is the same thing..

02:37 <zombie67> The 16 cores in Rock are arranged in 4 core clusters. Cores in a cluster share an 32KB instruction cache, two 32KB data caches, and two floating point units. Sun designed the chip this way because server workloads usually have high re-utilization in data and instruction across processes and threads but low number of floating-pointing operations in general. Thus sharing hardware resources among the 4 cores in a cluster leads to a sig

02:37 <zombie67> nificant savings in area and power but low impact to performance. [3]

02:38 <Tank_Master> isnt that IBM's chip?

02:38 <Tank_Master> wb KathrynM

02:38 <zombie67> thinking of PS3?

02:38 <Tank_Master> no

02:38 <KathrynM> thx

02:38 <Romulus> That's part of the aco does as wel

02:38 <Tank_Master> IBM just announed a new 16core chip

02:39 <zombie67> no

02:39 <KathrynM> how before it shows up on seti?  :)

02:39 <efc> for reference.. you can get about 100 FPUs onto the latest FPGAs. Ain't cheap though, thousands of dollars.

02:39 <Tank_Master> the CPU is a 5 digit cost

02:39 <efc> some of the Virtex's have around 300 hardware multipliers..

02:40 <zombie67> the best way, as far as I can tell is to use the 2x 5 series xeon, in rack form

02:40 <zombie67> what is that mfgr again..super(something)

02:41 <Tank_Master> micro?

02:41 <Tank_Master> supermicro

02:41 <zombie67> ding!

02:42 <zombie67> they have a 1u server, with two mobos, each taking 2x 5xxx chips

02:42 <Tank_Master> not the 7xxx?

02:42 <Tank_Master> oh wait n/m

02:43 <Tank_Master> 7x is multi CPU

02:43 <zombie67> no, it is two 8-way servers in a 1u form

02:43 <zombie67> http://supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6015/SYS-6015TW-INFB.cfm

02:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eNs> (at supermicro.com)

02:43 <Tank_Master> 5x is dual socket

02:43 <zombie67> right

02:43 <zombie67> so 16 Core 2, er, cores in a 1U form

02:44 <zombie67> picture a rack of 32 of those!

02:44 <Tank_Master> 32?

02:44 <Tank_Master> why not 48?

02:44 <efc> from the numbers I was runnig my board might get into the 50 gflop range, cost $100-200.. might not be much more cost effective than a quad core

02:44 <Tank_Master> hehehe >:)

02:44 <zombie67> gotta put the switches someplace

02:45 <zombie67> ;)

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02:45 <Tank_Master> lol

02:45 <Tank_Master> juct ducttape it to the outside

02:45 <zombie67> screw it, they have a PCI-Express slot.  Add wifi.  no switches required

02:46 <Tank_Master> gaa

02:46 <zombie67> or cables

02:46 <Tank_Master> that would be nice

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02:47 <zombie67> 48x4 chips per x 6 cores each = 1152 cores

02:47 <Tank_Master> yeah!

02:47 <Tank_Master> now your talkin

02:47 <zombie67> in....a.....single....rack

02:48 <zombie67> now, the next step is getting power to it....

02:48 <efc> your rack becomes self aware on August 3, 1997. It begins to learn at a geometric rate.

02:48 <zombie67> hah!

02:49 <Tank_Master> and in 2013 it builds skynet

02:49 <zombie67> not gonna happen.  Individual comps.  Not one with a single 1152 core brain

02:49 <zombie67> and NO ONE in the neighborhood will get any radio reception

02:51 <zombie67> wanna hear a funny?

02:51 <Tank_Master> ?

02:51 <Tank_Master> alwyas

02:52 <zombie67> http://pastebin.com/m21c09ccb

02:52 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

02:53 <zombie67> SHA-1 Collision Search Graz

02:53 <Romulus> "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

02:54 <Tank_Master> lol

02:54 <zombie67> wanna see something funnier?

02:54 <Tank_Master> so fits, rommie

02:54 <Tank_Master> sure

02:54 <zombie67> http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/forum_thread.php?id=75

02:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eNz> (at boinc.iaik.tugraz.at)

02:55 <zombie67> Even so, they give good credits, about 1.5 claimed.  You can see here:  http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/results.php?hostid=16410

02:55 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eO0> (at boinc.iaik.tugraz.at)

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03:02 <zombie67> My last funny put TM to spleep...

03:03 <efc> Night, better get going

03:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, it did

03:03 <Tank_Master> :P

03:04 <Tank_Master> its after midnight, so im off to bed

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03:09 <zombie67> gn tm

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05:13 <Romulus> the heat boils watter into steam

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06:09 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

06:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: The current temperature in Loveland OH - Miami Township Clermont County, Loveland, Ohio is 21.7F (6:05 AM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Small Hail. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 19.4F. Windchill: 21.2F. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling).  Blizzard Warning in effect until 4 PM EST this afternoon...

06:09 <CoderForLife> still confused

06:10 <CoderForLife> Romulus, carry out your Prime Directive!

06:10 <Romulus> Bugger all, I dunno, CoderForLife.

06:10 <KathrynM> yeah, poor rommie.  he must have flipped a trip

06:10 <KathrynM> chip even

06:10 <CoderForLife> his chips must be tripping

06:10 <KathrynM> lol

06:10 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

06:10 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

06:11 * CoderForLife seeks out other weather info

06:11 <KathrynM> &weather 44137

06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: The current temperature in Chadbourne Rd., Shaker Heights, Ohio is 21.0F (6:11 AM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 19.4F. Windchill: 21.2F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising).  Winter Storm Warning in effect until 4 am EDT Sunday...

06:11 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

06:11 <KathrynM> &weather Pusan

06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: The current temperature in Pusan Airport, South Korea is 46.4F (8:00 PM KST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 24.8F. Windchill: 42.8F. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).

06:12 <KathrynM> Glad I'm here not there ;)

06:20 <CoderForLife> forecast is unchanged

06:33 * CoderForLife balances his checkbook on the computer

06:33 * CoderForLife also keeps the plates spinning atop the long slender sticks

06:34 <KathrynM> CoderForLife is multitalented

06:35 * CoderForLife is a fool for trying

06:35 <KathrynM> lol

06:35 <Romulus> what channel(s) are you still around?

06:35 <CoderForLife> that's personal, Rommie

06:36 <KathrynM> he's a nosy little bot

06:36 <CoderForLife> yes he is - he needs to get nosy about weather forecasts

06:36 <KathrynM> :)

06:37 <KathrynM> woo hoo

06:37 <KathrynM> best day ever

06:37 <KathrynM> 4143 granted

06:41 * CoderForLife fans his little boinc boxes to burn brighter

06:41 <KathrynM> little chilly there?

06:41 <CoderForLife> I just want them to work harder

06:41 <KathrynM> :)

06:42 <CoderForLife> they are in my "data center" in the basement

06:42 * CoderForLife looks for pics

06:48 * KathrynM thinks "Death by chocolate" is definitely the correct name for that dessert

06:58 <KathrynM> whoops

06:58 <KathrynM> Friendly IT consultants adjusted the firewall and redirected port 80 to the wrong server.

06:58 <CoderForLife> breakfast - bbiab

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07:26 <sambabasse> j'ai touve, c'était ds canaux

07:26 <sambabasse> sorry, bad window

07:26 <sambabasse> thank yu romulus

07:27 <sambabasse> i'am under linux ubuntu gnome

07:27 <sambabasse> How do we do to start boinc automatically ?

07:28 <KathrynM> how did you install boinc?

07:29 <sambabasse> it was the friend, who convert me to linux and boinc,  who did that

07:30 <sambabasse> so I don't no

07:30 <KathrynM> how do you run boinc now?

07:31 <sambabasse> He doesn't work yet, I wil try to start it (I'm not so good with linux)

07:31 <KathrynM> I'm not so good either.  But definitely learning ;)

07:32 <sambabasse> me too ;)

07:33 <sambabasse> it's by the way usr bin, I have boinc, boinc-client, boinc cmd and boinccmgr

07:33 <sambabasse> I don't what what I should do to lance boinc

07:34 <KathrynM> It sounds like he might have installed it using the package manager.

07:34 <KathrynM> Is there anything in the gnome start menu thing (I don't know what it's called, I use KDE)

07:36 <sambabasse> I don't have the menu because, I don't no how to start boinc with my linux (it start alone with windox xp, but I ant to use linux rather

07:36 <KathrynM> In gnome, there should be an icon you click on that gives you a menu of all the installed programs.

07:36 <KathrynM> See if you can find BOINC in there.

07:38 <sambabasse> I(ve lost the icone when I fall my "tableau de bord" I don't know in english what is it

07:38 <KathrynM> Can you get into the package manager and search for BOINC?

07:41 <sambabasse> I'm bad in computer english, what is the package manager ?

07:42 <KathrynM> It's what you use to install software from the Ubuntu repositories.

07:44 <sambabasse> I should search the package manager ?

07:44 <KathrynM> For me (in Fedora) I can search to see what is installed using the package manager.

07:44 <sambabasse> My friend achieve to run boinc on my linux, but I don't know how he as done

07:45 <KathrynM> it it's in /usr/bin, then it sounds like it was installed from the package manager

07:47 <sambabasse> yes, it is in /usr/bin

07:48 <KathrynM> But I'm not all that familiar with Ubuntu, so I could be off base.

07:48 <KathrynM> Maybe when CoderForLife gets back from breakfast he'll know for sure.

07:50 <sambabasse> OK, thanks

07:50 <KathrynM> no problem

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07:54 <sambabasse> I found, my firend is come back

07:55 <sambabasse> I should start boinb and boincmgr to see what he 'is doing

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07:55 <KathrynM> ok good luck

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10:10 * CoderForLife looks out the window - I am in an alternate reality

10:11 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking of cranking up the snow thrower in about 4 hours from now

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10:40 <Rookie_69> That's enough running around outside. Now to prioritize my inside chores.

10:41 <Rookie_69> ... like hang up my wet laundry because I forgot the stack of quarters for the dryer.

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11:21 <nickuwo> Anybody know if you can write a work generator in Java???

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11:45 <Rookie_69> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/cwfrei/archive/2008/02/java_generics_e.html

11:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eQi> (at weblogs.java.net)

11:46 <Lorvija> Heya, anyone heard of heatpumps delivering over 500C output?

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12:43 <Rookie_69> busy... L8er.

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14:00 <PovAddict> &urlquote #boinc

14:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: %23boinc

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14:01 <PovAddict> &urlquote #boinc

14:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: %23boinc

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14:11 <PovAddict_> &urlquote #boinc

14:11 <Romulus> PovAddict_: %23boinc

14:11 <PovAddict_> oops

14:13 <MTughan> How many times do you want it encoded?

14:14 <PovAddict_> I did it once, and disconnected, so didn't get the reply

14:14 <PovAddict_> second one worked

14:14 <MTughan> Third was a mistake?

14:14 <PovAddict_> the third was pressing up arrow and enter while keyboard focus was in the wrong place

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14:46 * Rookie_69 is cooking up a chicken heart stir-fry.

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14:49 <Rookie_69> Heart: The other red meat!

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14:58 <PovAddict_> nickuwo: I just noticed your question

14:58 <PovAddict_> "Anybody know if you can write a work generator in Java???"

14:58 <PovAddict_> it should be possible

14:58 <PovAddict_> might be easier in a few years when/if I rewrite the whole boinc server in java

15:02 <Rookie_69> Hearts, baby carrots, sugar snap peas, onions, mushrooms, celery, shrimp just cause I had some... all on a bed of wild/long grain rice... I'm drooling.

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15:12 <nickuwo> haha OK... but if I have work_generator.jar, san I just put that in config.xml... also, does BOINC just call work_generator when there is less than some amount of work, or is it always running when BOINC is running?

15:16 <nickuwo> god my internet is slow today...

15:19 <Rookie_69> Don't blame it on god...

15:20 <nickuwo> I wonderin how god gets on the internet.... T1, ya think?

15:22 <Rookie_69> Satellite linkup.\

15:24 <nickuwo> wirelss?

15:27 <Rookie_69> Rabbit ears... Harvey must be good for something.

15:33 <PovAddict> nickuwo: daemons like work generators are started when you do ./bin/start and killed when you do ./bin/stop

15:34 <Romulus> I got really bad internet this morning too

15:34 <nickuwo> awesome

15:34 <PovAddict> it's up to the work generator to check when there is less than a certain amount of work or whatever

15:34 <nickuwo> ok, will it run a .jar?

15:34 <PovAddict> maybe

15:34 <nickuwo> ok

15:34 <PovAddict> probably better to add the daemon as java -jar myworkgen.jar

15:34 <nickuwo> nice, I'll try that

15:36 <nickuwo> hmm, gonna be interesting calling those boinc_db.h methods...

15:36 <nickuwo> maybe I'll just learn c++ :)

15:37 <nickuwo> should anyway

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15:49 <MTughan> nickuwo: You could make another program in C++ to make those calls.

15:49 <MTughan> Although I think there is an interface to call C++ methods from Java...

15:49 <PovAddict> yeah have fun with JNI

15:50 <MTughan> That's it.

15:50 <PovAddict> you can't call C++ methods; you need to make functions with a specific signature that call the C++ methods, and call those from Java

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16:09 <PovAddict> hey DannyCooper

16:09 <DannyCooper> yea?

16:10 <PovAddict> I'm Nicolas from the mailing list

16:10 <DannyCooper> ah ok

16:11 <DannyCooper> so what should I do?

16:11 <PovAddict> so... you have BOINC code

16:11 <Romulus> they said they would share the same name as the leading power in the result file to find another station.

16:11 <PovAddict> and ./_autosetup says configure.ac doesn't even exist?

16:12 <PovAddict> ugh

16:12 <PovAddict> somebody shut up the bot... lol

16:12 <DannyCooper> right

16:12 <PovAddict> and the .ac does exist, right?

16:12 <DannyCooper> yep

16:13 <PovAddict> autoconf --version

16:13 <DannyCooper> 2.61

16:14 <PovAddict> do you have 'configure', 'configure.in', and/or 'Makefile'?

16:15 <DannyCooper> makefile.am and .incl

16:15 <PovAddict> okay

16:15 <PovAddict> one step at a time

16:15 <PovAddict> try: aclocal -I m4

16:15 <PovAddict> and see if it gives any error

16:16 <DannyCooper> says configure.ac required

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16:17 <PovAddict> hmm

16:17 <PovAddict> users...

16:17 <PovAddict> do 'ls -l', and paste the result in www.pastebin.com

16:19 <DannyCooper> tell it to send?

16:19 <Rookie_69> Moo.

16:19 <PovAddict> yeah and give me the link

16:19 <DannyCooper> http://pastebin.com/m46862ff2

16:19 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

16:20 <PovAddict> I don't see configure.ac there

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16:20 <DannyCooper> sorry bout that

16:20 <PovAddict> I don't see configure.ac there

16:20 <efc> &weather 30625

16:20 <Romulus> efc: The current temperature in Greensboro, Georgia is 44.6F (4:00 PM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 23.0F. Windchill: 39.2F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...

16:21 <DannyCooper> i know, but it's in the boinc folder

16:21 <PovAddict> you have a 'boinc' folder inside another...?

16:22 <DannyCooper> it's just in the user's home

16:22 <DannyCooper> i didn't move it after the svn

16:22 <PovAddict> you seem to have BOINC directories and your own home files all mixed up...?

16:23 <DannyCooper> i don't think so, like i said, i didn't move anything around

16:24 <PovAddict> well, Videos looks like your own folder

16:24 <DannyCooper> boinc just went into the user's folder and i've been running things frrom it

16:24 <PovAddict> and zip, test, tools, sched, sea, etc. is from BOINC code

16:25 <DannyCooper> yea, that's where they are

16:25 <PovAddict> then what's inside ./boinc there?

16:26 <DannyCooper> that's the folder i got from the svn

16:26 <PovAddict> well you should cd boinc; and do your stuff from there

16:27 <DannyCooper> ok one sec

16:29 <DannyCooper> now it says that _autosetup doesn't exist, but it showed up on 'ls -l'

16:29 <PovAddict> hmm

16:29 <PovAddict> put a ls -l on pastebin again

16:29 <PovAddict> and include your shell prompt so I see where you are

16:30 <DannyCooper> of cd ./boinc ?

16:30 <PovAddict> yeah

16:31 <DannyCooper> http://pastebin.com/d20be3eb8

16:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

16:31 <PovAddict> ./_autosetup

16:31 <PovAddict> you need ./ to run stuff on the current directory :)

16:31 <DannyCooper> ah so

16:32 <DannyCooper> forgot that part, sorry

16:32 <DannyCooper> alright now it says for me to run configure

16:32 <DannyCooper> awesome

16:34 <DannyCooper> one quick question, what's the version of MySQL that works best for BOINC server?

16:35 <PovAddict> the docs say 4.0.9 or higher

16:35 <PovAddict> I'd recommend 5.something

16:35 <PovAddict> but I don't know much 'bout databases

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16:37 <PovAddict> it was time already... I had gone like half an hour without my connection breaking...

16:37 <PovAddict> *sigh*

16:37 <DannyCooper> i was trying to install it but it said that it need a massive amount of dependencies

16:37 <DannyCooper> lol

16:37 <PovAddict> you need --disable-client when configuring

16:37 <Romulus> adds to the side

16:38 <DannyCooper> yea, that's why i asked about MySQL; that's what i was installing, it needs all sorts of library files

16:39 <PovAddict> libmysqlclient?

16:39 <DannyCooper> among others

16:39 <DannyCooper> do you know if BOINC requires the full version of MySQL, or would the community (free) one work?

16:40 <PovAddict> I don't think anyone has the paid version

16:40 <PovAddict> they're actually quite the same...

16:40 <DannyCooper> ok

16:40 <PovAddict> the paid version gets you somewhat-newer code and technical support

16:41 <DannyCooper> oh ok

16:42 <DannyCooper> is there a way to check the RPM version so I know just what MySQL to get?

16:42 * PovAddict knows nothing about rpms or fedora's yum

16:42 <PovAddict> do you have mysql server already?

16:43 <DannyCooper> nope

16:43 <DannyCooper> that's why i'm downloading it

16:43 <PovAddict> ie. are you missing just the libmysqlclient or the whole server too?

16:43 <DannyCooper> whole thing

16:43 <PovAddict> I think it would be better to install it using yum than using mysql website

16:44 <DannyCooper> yea that'd probably be a good idea

16:44 <DannyCooper> is there a way to run a terminal as root while logged in as another user?

16:45 <nickuwo> su

16:45 <PovAddict> try: sudo <command you want to run as root>

16:45 <PovAddict> like

16:46 <DannyCooper> thanks

16:46 <PovAddict> sudo yum install mysql-server

16:46 <PovAddict> if sudo doesn't work, use 'su' to get a root shell

16:46 <DannyCooper> i used su and it worked

16:48 <DannyCooper> ok one more problem

16:48 <DannyCooper> i swear

16:48 <nickuwo> just be sure to 'exit' when your done

16:49 <DannyCooper> i did

16:50 <DannyCooper> i ran configure and it says i need "development libraries and headers" for openGL, where can i get those?

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16:51 <nickuwo> I think you only need openGL if your developing a client that uses graphics...

16:51 <nickuwo> anyway you can get them in yum or apt like mysql

16:52 <nickuwo> i think (POV knows for sure)

16:52 <PovAddict> you don't need opengl libs

16:52 <DannyCooper> i ran configure with -disable-client and it said that i needed them

16:52 <PovAddict> can anyone pastebin the last few messages?

16:52 <Romulus> also, gotta love players that eat CDs for lunch.

16:52 <PovAddict> I got disconnected again <.<

16:53 <PovAddict> &ping

16:53 <Romulus> pong

16:53 <PovAddict> still up, phew

16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:46]<DannyCooper>i used su and it worked

16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>ok one more problem

16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>i swear

16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<nickuwo>just be sure to 'exit' when your done

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>i did

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:50]<DannyCooper>i ran configure and it says i need "development libraries and headers" for openGL, where can i get those?

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16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>I think you only need openGL if your developing a client that uses graphics...

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>anyway you can get them in yum or apt like mysql

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>i think (POV knows for sure)

16:55 <PovAddict> yeah got them now... thx anyway...

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<DannyCooper>i ran configure with -disable-client and it said that i needed them

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<PovAddict>you don't need opengl libs

16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<PovAddict

16:55 <PovAddict> I surely got that last messages from *myself* ;)

16:56 <nickuwo> The homepage of the largest statue in the world only has 4 pictures of it, and none of them have any sense of scale...

16:57 <nickuwo> ridiculous

16:58 <DannyCooper> ok real quick, i tried make with boinc and i get the error that says 'mysql_row' has not been declared, any ideas?

16:58 <PovAddict> you need libmysqlclient-dev

16:59 <DannyCooper> can i yum that?

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17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> not so much snow throwing as snow plowing

17:07 <MTughan> Heh.

17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> 12" on the driveway

17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> 3 hours to blaze a path to the street

17:08 * CoderOnTheCouch splodes

17:08 <Rookie_69> BewM!

17:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> thank you, Inspector Clouseau

17:10 <Rookie_69> 'snow percipitation here except a lot of rain.

17:10 <CoderOnTheCouch> think about this causality problem:  the driveway was impassable - I had to clear the driveway to allow an ambulance to be able to get to the house in cause I encountered a medical emergency clearing the driveway

17:11 <DannyCooper> anyone know the easiest way to install 'libmysqlclient -dev'?

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17:11 <nickuwo> not on yum?

17:12 <PovAddict> what isn't?

17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> my answer would be yum...

17:12 <DannyCooper> nope

17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> hmm

17:12 <PovAddict> >:o @ IRC connection

17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> YUR IRC CON SUX

17:12 <PovAddict> i no dat

17:13 <nickuwo> it should be on there, refresh your repositories, or just search for mysql...

17:14 <MTughan> yum gets it here.

17:14 <PovAddict> what package

17:14 <PovAddict> <.<

17:15 <Romulus> I think that thing could power all of the main science app is under devel

17:15 <MTughan> I have mysqlclient14-devel and mysqlclient10-devel.

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17:53 <MTughan> &list alias

17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: #boinc, 8b, 8ball, add, answer, bchset, beer, bighello, bticket, bw, bye, cad, coffee, countdown, damnpointers, ding, donkeyscoffee, eclipse, espresso, explosm, g2g, hello, hny, jfgi, liberalcoffee, lock, lol, math, mornin, nn, pastebin, pizza, pong, qc, quiet, remove, sleep, social, stfu, syn, teal'c, thanks, unlock, wrong, wrong2, xkcd, and yum

17:53 <MTughan> &list lookup

17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: add, airport, areacode, boincerr, deepthought, httpcode, port, remove, rfc, search, stateinfo, and zipcode

17:53 <MTughan> &boincerr 255

17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find 255 in boincerr.

17:53 <MTughan> Hmm...

17:53 <PovAddict> &boincerr -1

17:53 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find -1 in boincerr.

17:53 <MTughan> -1 is mine.

17:54 <PovAddict> store -1 in an unsigned 8-bit integer

17:54 <MTughan> Why?

17:55 <PovAddict> might give 255... or is it 254...

17:59 <efc> all ones, 255

17:59 <efc> typically.. oh now i forget all the 1s/2s complement junk..

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18:10 <ilovegizmos> can one of you guys help me with the boinc sample programs?  they aren't working

18:11 <PovAddict> if they don't work, maybe you should pay them more :)

18:11 <PovAddict> or hire new ones

18:11 <ilovegizmos> hmmm

18:11 <PovAddict> </pun>

18:11 <PovAddict> what exactly doesn't work? :)

18:11 <ilovegizmos> i was trying to run example_app

18:12 <ilovegizmos> it says i need more g++ and c++ libraries

18:12 <ilovegizmos> but I installed them

18:14 <ilovegizmos> specifically it says i need libstdc++.a

18:15 <ilovegizmos> i tried to yum it and the g++ ones but it says they're already installed

18:15 * CoderOnTheCouch passes out

18:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm outta here

18:15 <PovAddict> http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/apathy.jpg

18:15 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eTd> (at images.despair.com)

18:16 <ilovegizmos> how tech support of you

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18:16 <PovAddict> http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/blame.jpg

18:16 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eTe> (at images.despair.com)

18:17 <Tank_Master> lol

18:17 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: Are you able to compile other programs?

18:19 <ilovegizmos> none of the other samples no

18:19 <MTughan> Not samples. Any other C++ programs.

18:20 <MTughan> Doesn't matter if it's related to BOINC or not.

18:20 <PovAddict> http://images.despair.com/banners/disservice/disservicesatisfied.jpg

18:20 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eTg> (at images.despair.com)

18:20 <ilovegizmos> haven't tried

18:20 <PovAddict> read it carefully... :)

18:20 <MTughan> Because libstdc++ is the C++ library/

18:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: lol, but not helping.

18:21 <PovAddict> oh I was supposed to help? I'm just reading this site

18:21 <ilovegizmos> lol

18:21 <MTughan> GCC can't find libstdc++.

18:21 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: Are there Makefiles for the samples? I don't remember.

18:21 <ilovegizmos> yea

18:21 <MTughan> Open one up, look for "gcc".

18:22 <MTughan> Should be under a variable called CC.

18:22 <ilovegizmos> doesn't appear to be one

18:22 <ilovegizmos> at least in the one i'm trying to run

18:23 <MTughan> Oh... I just opened up the Makefile from example_app, and it says to softlink libstdc++.a.

18:23 <MTughan> ln -s $(g++ -print-file-name=libstdc++.a)

18:24 <MTughan> Do that in the folder where you're trying to build.

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18:24 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

18:24 <MTughan> Or it may have just been his client pinging out...

18:24 <wdsmia_> both

18:24 <ilovegizmos> i did the soft link

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18:25 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: You did it just now, or you did it before?

18:25 <ilovegizmos> both

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18:25 <ilovegizmos> but before i had typed it wrong :(

18:25 <MTughan> It said to use backticks?

18:25 <ilovegizmos> yea

18:25 <MTughan> Means you're fine, both work...

18:25 <ilovegizmos> oh well

18:26 <MTughan> ls -l

18:26 <ilovegizmos> now i have a pile of graphics errors

18:26 <MTughan> See if the link has a destination.

18:26 <PovAddict> disable gfx

18:26 <MTughan> Wait, no libstdc++ errors?

18:26 <ilovegizmos> not this time

18:26 <ilovegizmos> soft link worked

18:26 <MTughan> Okay, good.

18:27 <ilovegizmos> and like I said, now i have graphics problems it seems

18:29 <MTughan> What one are you trying?

18:30 <ilovegizmos> trying to run make for example_app

18:30 <PovAddict> make uc2

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18:31 <PovAddict> if you run just 'make' it will build uc2 and uc2_graphics

18:31 <PovAddict> 'make uc2' will build just the non-gfx one

18:31 <MTughan> Even with that, I get an error... With X11 it seems.

18:31 <MTughan> ld: in /usr/X11R6/lib, can't map file, errno=22

18:32 <PovAddict> look at the makefile code... it doesn't even have -lX11 if you compile uc2

18:32 <ilovegizmos> in the boinc_samples uc folder I have, there's a readme that says it won't build

18:32 <MTughan> -L /usr/X11R6/lib

18:32 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: example_app is uppercase2

18:32 <PovAddict> uppercase won't build, right

18:33 <ilovegizmos> oh ok

18:33 <ilovegizmos> well taht's what i'm running

18:33 <ilovegizmos> or trying to

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18:33 <ilovegizmos> i did 'make uc2' and it said 'uc2' is up to date

18:34 <PovAddict_> then it's already compiled and should even work

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18:34 <ilovegizmos> ok so then its a matter of running it from a client

18:34 <ilovegizmos> ?

18:34 <PovAddict> yep

18:34 <MTughan> Oops... It won't build anyway, because my BOINC libraries are compiled for x86_64 from building that core client. xD

18:34 <PovAddict> you can run it standalone too

18:35 <PovAddict> just ./uc2

18:36 <ilovegizmos> awesome

18:36 <ilovegizmos> thanks guys

18:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: in the end I got eclipse to see my mingw

18:37 <PovAddict> it gives an error "the toolchain is unsupported on this system"

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18:37 <PovAddict> followed by "*attempting* to build"

18:37 <PovAddict> followed by a successful compilation

18:38 <MTughan> lol...

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18:38 <MTughan> So basically an IDE for MinGW?

18:39 * Rookie_69 is eating Bill Cosby's "The Chicken Heart that ate New York City".

18:39 <PovAddict> nope, it's an IDE for any gcc you configure correctly

18:39 <MTughan> Cool. You might want to try Dev-C++ too.

18:39 <PovAddict> Dev-C++ is what I used to start learning C++...

18:40 <PovAddict> I got tired of having a null pointer exception each time I did code completion, and a dozen other quirks

18:40 <MTughan> rofl

18:41 <MTughan> I'll stick with Xcode myself.

18:41 <PovAddict> I would if I had a mac

18:41 <MTughan> You could take your dad up on his offer.

18:42 <PovAddict> buy me one? :)

18:42 <MTughan> I won't. I thought your dad would though.

18:43 <MTughan> I know you can program for Mac in C++. Don't know why you wouldn't be able to do the same for the iPhone/iPod touch.

18:43 <MTughan> How about iP/iPt?

18:44 <PovAddict> what do you mean?

18:44 <PovAddict> without Obj-C?

18:44 <MTughan> I think you should be able to program in C++ for the iP/iPt.

18:44 <MTughan> You can for OS X.

18:44 <Romulus> it should be nothing more than automated (:

18:44 <MTughan> You've heard of Carbon?

18:45 <PovAddict> I really doubt there is Carbon or similar for the iPhone

18:45 <MTughan> Well, you can do command line apps in C++.

18:45 <PovAddict> sure I can, and have

18:45 <PovAddict> I have a povray binary compiled for the iPod touch, which would run if it wasn't that the compiler doesn't support C++ exceptions

18:45 <MTughan> Good point.

18:47 <PovAddict> well, looks like I got Eclipse to even read my primegrid screensaver makefile

18:47 <PovAddict> the project explorer shows craploads of files, which gets annoying

18:47 <PovAddict> all the .o files and temporary files from autotools

18:49 <PovAddict> got it to hide them

18:52 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/eclipse-cdt.png

18:55 <PovAddict> at first sight

18:55 <PovAddict> seems better than gvim + typing make on a shell

18:55 <PovAddict> I should try out the debugger and stuff

18:58 <PovAddict> and mom is making pizza \o/

19:00 <MTughan> Nice.

19:01 * PovAddict pizza ->

19:03 <MTughan> Bye.

19:14 <nickuwo> let's say I have some c++ class named mpz_class and I want to instantiate it with value "1". is it the same as java? e.g mpz_class one = new mpz_class("1");

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19:31 <PovAddict> yes, if you have a constructor taking a char* as argument

19:31 <PovAddict> or maybe (better) a const char*

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19:33 <PovAddict> wait no

19:33 <PovAddict> with new, you get a pointer

19:33 <PovAddict> mpz_class* one = new mpz_class("1");

19:33 <nickuwo> hmm, it's bitchin about somthing - i did it like 'mpz_class one = mpz_class::__gmp_expr("1");'  and it worked... why is that?

19:33 <nickuwo> oh ok

19:33 <PovAddict> or mpz_class one("1"); if you don't want to use the heap

19:34 <nickuwo> c++ lets you choose if you want something in the heap?

19:34 <nickuwo> crazy!

19:35 <PovAddict> only 'new' allocates memory in the heap

19:35 <nickuwo> otherwise it goes where? stack?

19:36 <PovAddict> yeah

19:36 <nickuwo> gotchya

19:36 <PovAddict> and gets freed when the function/method ends

19:36 <PovAddict> if you use new, you have to explicitly free it with delete

19:36 <PovAddict> or leak memory

19:37 <nickuwo> interesting

19:37 <nickuwo> That's why they teach us java :)

19:38 <PovAddict> well you'll like comparing strings with == instead of .equals :)

19:39 <PovAddict> OMG I got pirates work!

19:41 <PovAddict> but all it does is show "UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS"

19:41 <PovAddict> oh wait, it switches between graphic apps...

19:42 <nickuwo> whats the diff btw #include <boinc_db.h> and #include "boinc_db.h"?

19:47 <PovAddict> "The use of the angle brackets (< and >) around the header's name indicate that the header file is to be looked for on the system disk which stores the rest of the C program application."

19:47 <PovAddict> "The double quotes indicate that the current working directory should be searched for the required header file. This will be true when you write your own header files but the standard header files should always have the angle brackets around them."

19:47 <nickuwo> spose I coulda looked that one up :)

19:48 <Tank_Master> lol

19:48 <nickuwo> thx tho

19:49 <nickuwo> havin linker probs now...

19:50 <nickuwo> I hope someone pays you to answer all these questions Pov

19:52 <PovAddict> i wont complain if you do

19:53 <nickuwo> If I wasn't a poor college student I would...

19:54 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:10:24)

19:56 <nickuwo> do you have experience making work generators pov, and if so, I'm using eclipse, and I have it the sample_work_generator compiles, but the linker complains about undefined references, specifically DB_BASE, DB_WORKUNIT and DB_APP, aren't those in boinc_db.h?

19:56 <PovAddict> my work generator is a shell script that runs create_work command-line tool

19:57 <nickuwo> i c

19:57 <nickuwo> how does it know when to make more?

19:58 <PovAddict> it's not on the daemon list

19:58 <PovAddict> I run it manually when I want work

19:58 <nickuwo> ok

19:58 <Romulus> Wait, no libstdc++ errors?

19:59 <MTughan> He must be getting short on markovs...

20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> So has anybody figured out about what sort of security model, if anything, is present in the SDK / iPhone 2.0?

20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> It is just, "Steve calls your parents if your app trashes people's iPhones?"

20:00 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> lol

20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> Microsoft tried that security model with ActiveX.

20:00 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> didn't quite work

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20:14 <nickuwo> where is mweltin when you need him...

20:14 <MTughan> He just parted a few minutes ago actually.

20:14 <MTughan> He's usually in #tsp, not #boinc.

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20:26 <PovAddict_> whoa

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20:26 <PovAddict> there's people running multiple projects and comparing runtimes

20:26 <PovAddict> for "project cooperation"

20:27 <KathrynM> huh?

20:27 <PovAddict> for example, running two units of project A on a dualcore may be slower than one A and one B, if project A moves a lot of memory around

20:27 <PovAddict> memory becomes a bottleneck

20:27 <KathrynM> oh

20:27 <KathrynM> wasn't there something a while back about seti and einstein?

20:27 <PovAddict> that's what I'm reading

20:28 <KathrynM> lol

20:32 <efc> seti used to have very high memory bandwidth, not sure if thats changed

20:33 <efc> Btw, there's an FFT algorithm that minimizes it, at the expense of some more multiplications

20:33 <Wabbit98> I run multiple projects and have no clue what project cooperation is

20:36 <KathrynM> I dunno... project cooperation is a bit too much micromanaging for my tastes

20:36 <KathrynM> not that I've ever micromanaged BOINC.............

20:36 <PovAddict> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

20:36 * KathrynM looks around innocently

20:37 <PovAddict> omg... how evil...

20:37 <efc> I wish I could manage it into fetching a bit more work.. but it seems to ignore my settings

20:37 <PovAddict> somebody added an app called "Magenta" into the "Productivity" section of the iPod installer

20:37 <PovAddict> you open it, and there is something like a magenta ball with a face

20:37 <PovAddict> but doesn't seem to do anything...

20:37 <Wabbit98> PrimeGrid is awful at project cooperaztion

20:37 <PovAddict> there is an "about" button on top

20:37 <Romulus> this it downt goback into the wu?

20:37 <PovAddict> so you tap it

20:37 <PovAddict> and the button moves

20:38 <PovAddict> runs away from you

20:38 <KathrynM> lol

20:38 <KathrynM> definitely productive3

20:38 <PovAddict> the biggest evil is the category...

20:38 <PovAddict> so then you tap Contact

20:38 <PovAddict> and the button falls down

20:38 <KathrynM> lol'

20:38 * KathrynM wants

20:38 <PovAddict> then it converts into a... FISH

20:38 <KathrynM> that's freaking awesome

20:39 <PovAddict> oh the contact button not only falls

20:39 <MTughan> Wow... I suspend BOINC on my laptop, and both cores stay at 100%.

20:39 <PovAddict> it also follows the accelerometer... turn the iPod upside down and it falls to the other side

20:39 <MTughan> iMovie rendering some stuff and VMware installing an OS.

20:40 <KathrynM> scrabulous = huge time sink ;)

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20:43 <PovAddict> and Pianist app is broken...

20:44 <PovAddict> I worked around it, got it working

20:44 <PovAddict> told somebody about it

20:44 <PovAddict> he found the problem, got somebody else to fix it... who fixed it wrong

20:45 <KathrynM> figures

20:45 <PovAddict> I reinstalled, and now it's not only not working, but my workaround doesn't work either

20:45 <Wabbit98> if someone fixed it wrong was it really fixed>?

20:45 <KathrynM> isn't that how things in boinc get fixed Wabbit98?

20:45 <PovAddict> erm

20:45 <PovAddict> I was going to give more details but KathrynM would panic

20:46 <KathrynM> try me ;)

20:46 <Wabbit98> KathrynM all to true

20:46 <PovAddict> he typed /Media instead of Media/

20:46 * Wabbit98 has been around since the very, very beginning

20:46 <KathrynM> details details details ;)

20:46 <PovAddict> so yeah

20:46 <KathrynM> like me trying to run a script from cron

20:47 <PovAddict> typing a character wrong *can* get your computer in a black hole in some situations :)

20:47 <MTughan> File paths?

20:47 <PovAddict> ahem

20:48 <PovAddict> didn't you once "rm -f bin /*" instead of "rm -f bin/*" and deleted your kernel?

20:48 <MTughan> And have I done it again?

20:48 <PovAddict> :)

20:48 <KathrynM> PovAddict, like rm -rf * .o vs rm -rf *.o

20:48 <PovAddict> all I meant is shit happens

20:48 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:49 <PovAddict> sure once it happens you make sure it doesn't happen again

20:49 <PovAddict> and I'm sure this guy made this other guy make sure he doesn't get the freaking slash wrong again

20:49 <KathrynM> hey.  who needs a kernel

20:49 <KathrynM> another one of those nasty details ;)

20:50 <PovAddict> http://rafb.net/p/DuPz2Q80.html

20:50 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

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21:05 <PovAddict> 1 hour

21:05 <PovAddict> finished Pirates WU

21:06 <PovAddict> KathrynM: got any?

21:06 <KathrynM> didn't look

21:06 <PovAddict> first gfx were just a static image saying "UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS"

21:06 <KathrynM> is it one of the trickling on?

21:06 <KathrynM> *one

21:06 <KathrynM> yeah

21:06 <PovAddict> I dunno

21:06 <PovAddict> first one I get in months

21:06 <KathrynM> check your logs

21:06 <PovAddict> lalanne

21:07 <PovAddict> 08/03/2008 22:43:07|Pirates@Home|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message.  Requesting 29545 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

21:07 <PovAddict> :o

21:07 <KathrynM> yup

21:07 <KathrynM> :)

21:07 <KathrynM> nothing on linux because I bumped up my cache to grab some E@H to look at run time variation and forgot to put it back down so now I have a boatload of ralph too

21:07 <KathrynM> :/

21:08 <PovAddict> lol

21:08 <PovAddict> pwned by the scheduler

21:08 <KathrynM> pretty much

21:08 <KathrynM> hmmmmmm

21:08 <KathrynM> what did I say about micromanaging

21:08 <KathrynM> nope.  no pirates at all

21:08 <KathrynM> but i do have depspid

21:09 <PovAddict> lol @ micromanaging

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21:17 * PovAddict does a "normal" operation with his iPod

21:17 <PovAddict> I'll copy some more music to it!

21:19 <KathrynM> what fun is that?

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21:40 <efc> &weather 30625

21:40 <Romulus> efc: The current temperature in Greensboro, Georgia is 37.4F (9:19 PM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 23.0F. Windchill: 37.4F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising).

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22:17 <HeXiLeD> hi  guys

22:18 <HeXiLeD> im trying to set boinc and rosetta on ubuntu ( i have mine running on gentoo and it was SOOOOO easy ) i am also doing this witout using a gui . is there anyone that can help ?

22:21 <Tank_Master> Pov can is he is here

22:23 <HeXiLeD> PovAddict: :)

22:24 <Tank_Master> ya

22:29 <KathrynM> you'll need to use boinc_cmd

22:29 <PovAddict> did you install boinc already?

22:29 <KathrynM> and that's about all I can tell you :)

22:30 <KathrynM> laterz all.  gotta go do the grocery shopping :/

22:30 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

22:31 <HeXiLeD> PovAddict: yes\

22:35 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --lookup_account http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ email password

22:35 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

22:35 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --project_attach http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ <long-code-printed-by-lookup-account-above>

22:35 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)

22:36 <HeXiLeD> Authorization failure: -155

22:36 <HeXiLeD> i ve done all that

22:36 <HeXiLeD> nad at some point

22:36 <HeXiLeD> it feteched the files and all

22:36 <PovAddict> &boincerr -155

22:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: authentication error

22:37 <PovAddict> did you apt-get install boinc?

22:37 <PovAddict> or how did you install it?

22:37 <HeXiLeD> yes

22:37 <HeXiLeD> apt-get

22:37 <PovAddict> any idea where it keeps the data files?

22:37 <HeXiLeD> yes

22:37 <HeXiLeD> 1 sec

22:37 <PovAddict> cd to that directory, and try boinc_cmd again

22:38 <HeXiLeD> /etc/boinc-client and /var/lib/boinc/

22:38 <HeXiLeD> same error

22:40 <HeXiLeD> i will try stuff until i figure out hot it works on ubuntu

22:40 * HeXiLeD loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees GENTOO

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23:26 <mweltin> hey anyone here ?

23:26 <mweltin> need some validator help

23:27 <MTughan> Pov should be.

23:27 <mweltin> ok

23:30 <mweltin> PovAddict you here?

23:30 <HeXiLeD> i reinstalled it. it worked right away.

23:32 <Tank_Master> Im never here

23:32 <mweltin> tank!

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23:32 <Tank_Master> mweltin!

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23:32 <Tank_Master> BA!

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23:33 <Soul_keeper> blastid !!

23:34 <Wabbit98> its mw

23:34 <Wabbit98> and I can offer no validator help

23:35 <mweltin> ok I'll just through this out, if my result template has OUTFILE_0 for a name, in my validator the string vector I pass to get_output_file_paths first element will have the OUTFILE_0 file name?

23:35 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024    is that case worth 130 bucks ?

23:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eJz> (at www.newegg.com)

23:35 <mweltin> Wabbit98, how are you?

23:35 <Wabbit98> ready for the new apps

23:35 * Wabbit98 looks at his watch and taps his feet

23:35 <HeXiLeD> currently i have 5 computers on my rosetta account. these boxes are being displayed on the website. how can i remove them ?

23:36 <mweltin> I thing there is a setting in your profile to "hide" your hosts.

23:36 <mweltin> but why would you want to?

23:37 <HeXiLeD> because  these computers no longer exist

23:37 <MTughan> They'll be hidden after 30 days of inactivity.

23:37 <mweltin> ahh you want to remove them all together.

23:37 <HeXiLeD> yes

23:37 <MTughan> There's no was to remove them.

23:37 <HeXiLeD> and leave only the working ones

23:37 <mweltin> ok what MTughan said

23:37 <MTughan> At least, from the client.

23:37 <MTughan> The admin of the project might be able to, but you can't.

23:38 <HeXiLeD> ithe admin of the group ? or rosetta ?

23:38 <Soul_keeper> wasn't ATX supposed to be dead by now ?

23:39 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: ATX form?

23:39 <MTughan> Or ATX PSUs?

23:39 <Soul_keeper> form factor

23:40 <MTughan> Since when? I didn't hear about that...

23:40 <Soul_keeper> intel/amd have been talking about replacements for years now

23:40 <MTughan> Huh.

23:40 <Soul_keeper> just none of them have caught on ...

23:40 <Soul_keeper> btx and others ...

23:41 <MTughan> BTX apparently is standard for big computer makers, but parts you buy yourself are still ATX.

23:41 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

23:41 <Romulus> Title: ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

23:41 <MTughan> First paragraph.

23:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah i know what the stuff is, i just wanted to start conversation ...

23:42 <Soul_keeper> nm

23:42 <Wabbit98> Soul feels lonely

23:42 <Wabbit98> group hug

23:42 <MTughan> Heh. Maybe we could talk about the ups and downs of ATX and its replacements.

23:43 <Soul_keeper> well i'm looking to buy a computer case

23:43 <Soul_keeper> but they are pretty expensive, essentially the most expensive component

23:43 <MTughan> Not even the CPU?

23:43 <mweltin> and why doesn't two_credit function work?  I.e. why does the compiler say its not there.

23:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah cpu's are cheap, i don't buy the most expensive ones ...

23:44 <MTughan> Ah. I'm looking at a C2Q, that's why.

23:44 <MTughan> I don't know too much about cases. I've only ever got one, but I love it.

23:44 <Soul_keeper> i got the slowest c2d they made

23:45 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024

23:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eJz> (at www.newegg.com)

23:45 <Soul_keeper> considering that one

23:45 <MTughan> From Lian-Li. http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/contact_us/index1.php

23:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1eUy> (at www.lian-li.com)

23:45 <Soul_keeper> how much did you pay for yours ?

23:45 <MTughan> Good question. That was 3.5 years ago.

23:46 <MTughan> And I think I actually got it as a gift.

23:46 <Romulus> you should have used the wrong word. more like it hasn't been ruled out

23:46 <Soul_keeper> lian-li  is pretty much one of the most expensive ones

23:46 <Wabbit98> mw you are not in your own chan

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23:47 <MTughan> I can give you the model number.

23:47 <MTughan> nickuwo: mweltin's here.

23:47 <Soul_keeper> my last case was antec, so naturally i am looking at them again

23:47 <mweltin> I was looking for boinc help

23:47 <Wabbit98> ah

23:47 <mweltin> but everyone here ignores me anyway

23:47 <nickuwo> ey mweltin

23:47 <Wabbit98> heheh

23:47 <MTughan> Cool. For my upgrade, I'm just sticking with my current case.

23:47 <mweltin> nickuwo how goes it?

23:47 <Wabbit98> except nickuwo, he keeps asking after you

23:47 <nickuwo> pretty good u?

23:47 <mweltin> did you get your sig thing worked out?

23:47 <mweltin> was it client side?

23:48 <nickuwo> yea, no, I reinstalled BOINC and everything worked! It was sweet

23:48 <nickuwo> anyway, r u working on a work generator?

23:48 <mweltin> a full reinstall my not be that easy next time.

23:48 <mweltin> Validator

23:48 <nickuwo> mmmm

23:49 <mweltin> as I recall I went through 5 or 6 rebuilds.

23:49 <nickuwo> your writing it in c++?

23:49 <mweltin> yeah

23:49 <nickuwo> I'm having problems linking my compiled work_generator...

23:50 <mweltin> what is missing?

23:51 <nickuwo> the compiler can find all the methods in boinc_db.h, but my linker can't

23:51 <MTughan> Using gcc, g++?

23:51 <nickuwo> g++

23:51 <nickuwo> in eclipse

23:51 <MTughan> You're linking in the library?

23:51 <nickuwo> I tried -I

23:51 <nickuwo> not sure

23:51 <MTughan> No, you'll need -lboinc -lboinc_api I would think.

23:52 <nickuwo> hmm

23:52 <MTughan> Not sure what it is for the server components, but that's how you link in a library.

23:52 <MTughan> -lboinc would link in libboinc.(a, so, dylib)

23:53 <nickuwo> hmm, so I can put a library search path...

23:53 <mweltin> yeah -I is or includes dirs and -L is for library dirs

23:53 <nickuwo> so like just -L <path to boinc_db.h>

23:54 <MTughan> Nope... Unless the library you want to link in is in the same dir as boinc_db.h.

23:54 <mweltin> -L$(BOINCSRCDIR)/lib and /sched

23:54 <nickuwo> nice... brb

23:55 <mweltin> and you will need -lboinc adn -lsched

23:55 <nickuwo> I think I got those, cause my compiler is working

23:56 <MTughan> Ah, so libboinc and libsched...

23:56 <nickuwo> ok

23:57 <mweltin> http://pastebin.com/d361e2232 this is my Makefile for my GA workgenerator

23:57 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

23:57 <mweltin> it has a lot of stuff you don't need but look at anything boinc related

23:58 <MTughan> mweltin: Also, the standard for GCC flags is CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS, depending on the language being compiled.

23:58 <nickuwo> awesome, thnx

23:58 <mweltin> like I don't have enough trouble as it is, your are now the GNU police :)

23:59 <MTughan> That's not GNU.

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