00:00 <MTughan> &cad
00:12 <zombie_67> hi MT
00:12 <zombie_67> MW has some new HOT opt apps as standard DL. nice creds
00:13 <MTughan> ACO's up?
00:14 <MTughan> zombie67: Who/what do you mean by MW? mweltin?
00:21 <Wabbit98> yo yo
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00:21 <mirvk2> o/
00:21 <MTughan> Hey.
00:21 <mirvk2> why does BOINC mgr need to run as admin
00:22 <KathrynM> howdy
00:22 <MTughan> It doesn't.
00:22 <mirvk2> it kind of pisses me off
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00:22 <mirvk2> every time i try to run it
00:22 <Wabbit98> wait is the ACO app up?
00:22 <MTughan> Wabbit98: No.
00:22 <mirvk2> it prompts me for admin
00:22 <KathrynM> vista mirvk2 ?
00:22 <MTughan> mirvk2: First, what OS and version?
00:22 <mirvk2> yes
00:22 <mirvk2> vista
00:22 <MTughan> Okay, I was thinking root on Linux...
00:22 <KathrynM> heh
00:23 <MTughan> As for why BOINC would need admin permission, I couldn't tell you that.
00:23 <MTughan> I do BOINC on Mac and Linux, but I'm not a major Windows person.
00:23 <KathrynM> vista suck?
00:23 <KathrynM> *sucks?
00:23 <mirvk2> lol
00:23 <MTughan> Oh, Vista's always sucked.
00:23 <mirvk2> no comment
00:24 <MTughan> XP's better by far.
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00:24 <mirvk2> i just have this problem
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00:24 <mirvk2> i dont want to run my client as admin
00:24 <mirvk2> its stupid
00:24 <MTughan> No, that makes sense.
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00:24 <KathrynM> it should be promting for uac, not running as an administrator
00:25 <KathrynM> or you could install as a service and only start the manager when you need to do something
00:25 <mirvk2> yep but im debugging my executable
00:25 <mirvk2> so ..
00:25 <mirvk2> :(
00:26 <mirvk2> oh well thx anyways
00:26 <KathrynM> are you building your own version of boinc?
00:26 <mirvk2> im building an app on top of boinc if thats what u mean
00:29 <KathrynM> bbiab
00:29 <KathrynM> sorry mirvk2
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00:29 <mirvk2> np
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00:52 <MTughan> I wish there was a developer feature of UAC, so you could see what the program was asking to do...
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00:53 <MTughan> You could turn UAC off temporarily while you're developing your app, mirvk2.
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00:54 <MTughan> 'loe
00:54 <MTughan> 'lo e*
00:54 <efc> hey
00:54 <efc> hard drives flaked out for some reason, had to rejumper them
00:54 <MTughan> Nice.
00:55 <efc> They were working, take system home, and system couldn't see them anymore
00:55 <MTughan> Odd.
00:55 <efc> they were set to master/slave, now to CS on both
00:55 <MTughan> CAD updated while you were away too.
00:58 <MTughan> &math convert 5h to seconds
00:58 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: 5h is not a valid unit.
00:58 <MTughan> &math convert 5 hours to seconds
00:58 <Romulus> MTughan: 18000
00:59 <MTughan> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214
00:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 29234.0304363
00:59 <MTughan> &math convert [math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214] seconds to hours
00:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 8.12056401008
00:59 <MTughan> Not bad...
01:00 <MTughan> Progress on an Einstein app and the estimated total running time.
01:01 <MTughan> &monologue
01:01 <Romulus> MTughan: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.
01:01 <Wabbit98> &monologue
01:01 <Romulus> Wabbit98: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
01:04 <zombie_67> MT, you'll like this....
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01:06 <zombie_67> I have a G5 iMac here for a friend that comes over frequently. Sometimes uses it for work. Anyway...it died. Gonna have to take it in.
01:07 <zombie_67> Internally thinking, "Weee! I get to replace it with a C2D iMac!!!"
01:07 <zombie_67> turns out that it was a known flaw with the psu. apple will fix it for free....dangit.
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01:23 <MTughan> Yeah, I thought the same thing when they had to replace the motherboard in my Macbook. But seems they still have Core Duo motherboards around...
01:26 <zombie_67> maybe if I TRY HARDER, I can break it?
01:26 <zombie_67> ;)
01:29 <zombie_67> You know, a stack of 20 mac Minis....not much space or power....
01:30 <MTughan> Renderfarm!
01:36 <zombie_67> that is 20x$600 = $12,000 for 40 cores.
01:36 <zombie_67> I can get a referb dell 8-way for $2k each
01:37 <zombie_67> 5 x $2k = $10k, and much faster than the minis.
01:37 <zombie_67> but much higher power consumption
01:41 <MTughan> How about a $30,000 Mac Pro?
01:41 <MTughan> xD
01:41 <MTughan> Or rather, $9100CDN to upgrade the Mac Pro to 32GB RAM.
01:42 <zombie_67> NEVER pay for apple RAM
01:42 <zombie_67> how many slots again? 8?
01:43 <zombie_67> $3200 for 32gb here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory
01:44 <MTughan> Yeah, 8 slots. But Apple says they have a more stringent requirement for heat dissipation on their RAM.
01:44 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.63214
01:44 <Romulus> mirvk2: 29234.0304363
01:44 <mirvk2> :-)
01:44 <MTughan> I don't know if that's true or not.
01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.00000000001
01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 1848000000000000
01:45 <zombie_67> OWC are apple experts. they know what they are talking about
01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.00000000000000000000001
01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 1848000000000000127909494784
01:45 <MTughan> And I can't load the page, zombie_67...
01:45 <mirvk2> must...cause....overflow...
01:45 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
01:45 <Romulus> mirvk2: 184799999999999992850339772784025112328039038976
01:45 <mirvk2> :-x
01:45 <MTughan> "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading."
01:45 <Romulus> Title: Find the latest Performance Upgrades, Firewire and USB Hard Drives, SATA, Memory, Laptop Battery, and more at OWC (at www.macsales.com)
01:46 <mirvk2> &math calc ([math convert 5 hours to seconds] + [math convert 8 minutes to seconds]) / 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
01:46 <Romulus> mirvk2: 184800000000000012055213367344620455958722207010405175795274809210956677120
01:46 <zombie_67> click on the mac pro "fully match sets"
01:46 <MTughan> That one works.
01:46 * mirvk2 cries
01:46 <zombie_67> pick the faster one
01:46 <mirvk2> damn you arbitrary length math libraries
01:46 <mirvk2> damn you!
01:46 <zombie_67> for the new MPs
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01:46 <Romulus> cool tonight...hardly seems like each uses a website, I know of
01:46 <MTughan> I wasn't planning on buying a Mac Pro, but thanks anyway.
01:48 <zombie_67> my point is that.....$30k?!?!
01:48 <zombie_67> because of memeory? really?
01:48 <MTughan> xD
01:48 <MTughan> Well no, all upgrades.
01:48 <MTughan> $9,100 from memory.
01:50 <zombie_67> okay, well that takes $5900 out
01:50 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to be off to bed. Almost 2AM.
01:50 <zombie_67> gn MT!
01:50 <MTughan> &cad too.
01:50 <MTughan> &nn
01:50 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
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02:08 <efc> what did you want 30 mac minis for?
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02:10 <zombie_67> just thinking of a very compact, low energy farm
02:10 <zombie_67> but it was only 20
02:10 <zombie_67> ;)
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02:11 <efc> Invest in my FPGA project :)
02:12 <zombie67> I think you told me about that
02:12 <zombie67> you showed me apicture of a large fab covered in chips?
02:15 <efc> Dunno if that was it but similar idea
02:15 <efc> good power numbers on those, probably 100x more power efficient than a p4
02:16 <efc> cost wise i'm not sure it really beats out regular systems by enough
02:18 <zombie67> you saw my numbers. 15-20% cheaper with towers. Probably 30-40% cheaper with rack ervers. cheaper than minis.
02:18 <zombie67> but the power savings over time....
02:19 <zombie67> brb
02:20 <efc> i guess something like a multi socket quad core would be the best..
02:20 <efc> You might save a few more watts running off flash memory
02:22 <Tank_Master> or a flash HD
02:22 <Tank_Master> but those are spendy
02:22 <efc> you can get an ide adapter for compact flash memory
02:22 <Tank_Master> same tieh sata
02:22 <efc> around $10 i think
02:22 <Tank_Master> with*
02:23 <Tank_Master> 10ish, yeah, sounds right
02:23 <Tank_Master> n 20 for a 4gb flash
02:23 <efc> Just to run boinc could do with less..
02:23 <efc> Could run a stripped linux, or NT4 or something like taht
02:24 <Tank_Master> ot XP
02:24 <efc> I've seen NT4 run on like a 16 meg flash disk
02:24 <Tank_Master> or*
02:24 <Tank_Master> nice
02:24 <Tank_Master> I had XP running on a 2GB HD
02:25 <Tank_Master> ran BOINC with no probs
02:25 <Tank_Master> so 4GB flash would be heaven
02:26 <efc> Or, do a netboot. But not many people seem to pull that off.
02:27 <zombie67> yeah, quad or oct way quad core ships
02:27 <zombie67> chips
02:28 <zombie67> but the chips that will go >2 per blade are WAY too expensive
02:28 <Tank_Master> yeah
02:28 <Tank_Master> I want 8way octicore chips!
02:28 <zombie67> I keep eye-balling the 7000 series....
02:28 <Tank_Master> hehe
02:29 <efc> The FPGAs would do great, but its such a huge project
02:29 <zombie67> or the T2 chips...8 core/32 threads....
02:29 <zombie67> GREAT for I/O, but only FPU per core
02:29 <zombie67> so not great for BOINC
02:30 <zombie67> I mean, it would STILL perform as well as any 8-core chip.
02:30 <zombie67> but not like a 32 core chip
02:31 <efc> you have to start killing your memory bandwidth with so many cores..
02:31 <Tank_Master> It will be interesting to see what kind of performance intel's new embeded SPU can do
02:31 <zombie67> GREAT power consumption numbers though
02:31 <Tank_Master> CPU*
02:31 <efc> seti used to bottleneck pretty bad on just a p4, though i think the software has gotten better
02:31 <Tank_Master> it consumes 2-4w on full load
02:31 <Tank_Master> and 11 of the CPUs can fit on a penny
02:31 <zombie67> ROCK....
02:31 <Romulus> lets say you have just one, or are there no ops in this myself though....
02:32 <zombie67> T2 will eventually go 4-way
02:33 <zombie67> Sorry, I was giving you T1 numbers.
02:33 <zombie67> T2 is 8 cores, 8 threads each
02:33 <zombie67> 64 threads
02:33 <Tank_Master> nice
02:33 <zombie67> 64x4 = 256 thread/blade
02:33 <Tank_Master> hehe
02:33 <efc> In what sense is it 8 threads per core?
02:33 <Tank_Master> NOW we are talkin
02:33 <Romulus> Title: UltraSPARC T2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
02:33 <Tank_Master> think hyperthreading goin extream
02:34 <efc> hyperthreading is not as great as people seem to think..
02:34 <zombie67> but better implementation than pentium HT
02:34 <efc> but'll read that
02:34 <Tank_Master> its better than not being there
02:35 <zombie67> awesome power with T2
02:35 <Romulus> Title: Rock processor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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02:36 <efc> Bad "threading" can be worse than none..
02:36 <zombie67> Each Rock processor chip includes sixteen cores, with each core capable of running two threads simultaneously, yielding 32 threads per chip.
02:36 <efc> It may cause the caches to thrash
02:37 <efc> The Sparcs have had a hardware context switch for 20 years.. wonder if this is the same thing..
02:37 <zombie67> The 16 cores in Rock are arranged in 4 core clusters. Cores in a cluster share an 32KB instruction cache, two 32KB data caches, and two floating point units. Sun designed the chip this way because server workloads usually have high re-utilization in data and instruction across processes and threads but low number of floating-pointing operations in general. Thus sharing hardware resources among the 4 cores in a cluster leads to a sig
02:37 <zombie67> nificant savings in area and power but low impact to performance. 
02:38 <Tank_Master> isnt that IBM's chip?
02:38 <Tank_Master> wb KathrynM
02:38 <zombie67> thinking of PS3?
02:38 <Tank_Master> no
02:38 <KathrynM> thx
02:38 <Romulus> That's part of the aco does as wel
02:38 <Tank_Master> IBM just announed a new 16core chip
02:39 <zombie67> no
02:39 <KathrynM> how before it shows up on seti? :)
02:39 <efc> for reference.. you can get about 100 FPUs onto the latest FPGAs. Ain't cheap though, thousands of dollars.
02:39 <Tank_Master> the CPU is a 5 digit cost
02:39 <efc> some of the Virtex's have around 300 hardware multipliers..
02:40 <zombie67> the best way, as far as I can tell is to use the 2x 5 series xeon, in rack form
02:40 <zombie67> what is that mfgr again..super(something)
02:41 <Tank_Master> micro?
02:41 <Tank_Master> supermicro
02:41 <zombie67> ding!
02:42 <zombie67> they have a 1u server, with two mobos, each taking 2x 5xxx chips
02:42 <Tank_Master> not the 7xxx?
02:42 <Tank_Master> oh wait n/m
02:43 <Tank_Master> 7x is multi CPU
02:43 <zombie67> no, it is two 8-way servers in a 1u form
02:43 <Tank_Master> 5x is dual socket
02:43 <zombie67> right
02:43 <zombie67> so 16 Core 2, er, cores in a 1U form
02:44 <zombie67> picture a rack of 32 of those!
02:44 <Tank_Master> 32?
02:44 <Tank_Master> why not 48?
02:44 <efc> from the numbers I was runnig my board might get into the 50 gflop range, cost $100-200.. might not be much more cost effective than a quad core
02:44 <Tank_Master> hehehe >:)
02:44 <zombie67> gotta put the switches someplace
02:45 <zombie67> ;)
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02:45 <Tank_Master> lol
02:45 <Tank_Master> juct ducttape it to the outside
02:45 <zombie67> screw it, they have a PCI-Express slot. Add wifi. no switches required
02:46 <Tank_Master> gaa
02:46 <zombie67> or cables
02:46 <Tank_Master> that would be nice
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02:47 <zombie67> 48x4 chips per x 6 cores each = 1152 cores
02:47 <Tank_Master> yeah!
02:47 <Tank_Master> now your talkin
02:47 <zombie67> in....a.....single....rack
02:48 <zombie67> now, the next step is getting power to it....
02:48 <efc> your rack becomes self aware on August 3, 1997. It begins to learn at a geometric rate.
02:48 <zombie67> hah!
02:49 <Tank_Master> and in 2013 it builds skynet
02:49 <zombie67> not gonna happen. Individual comps. Not one with a single 1152 core brain
02:49 <zombie67> and NO ONE in the neighborhood will get any radio reception
02:51 <zombie67> wanna hear a funny?
02:51 <Tank_Master> ?
02:51 <Tank_Master> alwyas
02:52 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
02:53 <zombie67> SHA-1 Collision Search Graz
02:53 <Romulus> "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
02:54 <Tank_Master> lol
02:54 <zombie67> wanna see something funnier?
02:54 <Tank_Master> so fits, rommie
02:54 <Tank_Master> sure
02:55 <zombie67> Even so, they give good credits, about 1.5 claimed. You can see here: http://boinc.iaik.tugraz.at/sha1_coll_search/results.php?hostid=16410
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03:02 <zombie67> My last funny put TM to spleep...
03:03 <efc> Night, better get going
03:03 <Tank_Master> yeah, it did
03:03 <Tank_Master> :P
03:04 <Tank_Master> its after midnight, so im off to bed
03:04 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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03:09 <zombie67> gn tm
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05:13 <Romulus> the heat boils watter into steam
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06:09 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140
06:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: The current temperature in Loveland OH - Miami Township Clermont County, Loveland, Ohio is 21.7°F (6:05 AM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Small Hail. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling). Blizzard Warning in effect until 4 PM EST this afternoon...
06:09 <CoderForLife> still confused
06:10 <CoderForLife> Romulus, carry out your Prime Directive!
06:10 <Romulus> Bugger all, I dunno, CoderForLife.
06:10 <KathrynM> yeah, poor rommie. he must have flipped a trip
06:10 <KathrynM> chip even
06:10 <CoderForLife> his chips must be tripping
06:10 <KathrynM> lol
06:10 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM
06:10 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife
06:11 * CoderForLife seeks out other weather info
06:11 <KathrynM> &weather 44137
06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: The current temperature in Chadbourne Rd., Shaker Heights, Ohio is 21.0°F (6:11 AM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 4 am EDT Sunday...
06:11 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan
06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
06:11 <KathrynM> &weather Pusan
06:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: The current temperature in Pusan Airport, South Korea is 46.4°F (8:00 PM KST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
06:12 <KathrynM> Glad I'm here not there ;)
06:20 <CoderForLife> forecast is unchanged
06:33 * CoderForLife balances his checkbook on the computer
06:33 * CoderForLife also keeps the plates spinning atop the long slender sticks
06:34 <KathrynM> CoderForLife is multitalented
06:35 * CoderForLife is a fool for trying
06:35 <KathrynM> lol
06:35 <Romulus> what channel(s) are you still around?
06:35 <CoderForLife> that's personal, Rommie
06:36 <KathrynM> he's a nosy little bot
06:36 <CoderForLife> yes he is - he needs to get nosy about weather forecasts
06:36 <KathrynM> :)
06:37 <KathrynM> woo hoo
06:37 <KathrynM> best day ever
06:37 <KathrynM> 4143 granted
06:41 * CoderForLife fans his little boinc boxes to burn brighter
06:41 <KathrynM> little chilly there?
06:41 <CoderForLife> I just want them to work harder
06:41 <KathrynM> :)
06:42 <CoderForLife> they are in my "data center" in the basement
06:42 * CoderForLife looks for pics
06:48 * KathrynM thinks "Death by chocolate" is definitely the correct name for that dessert
06:58 <KathrynM> whoops
06:58 <KathrynM> Friendly IT consultants adjusted the firewall and redirected port 80 to the wrong server.
06:58 <CoderForLife> breakfast - bbiab
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07:26 <sambabasse> j'ai touve, c'Ã©tait ds canaux
07:26 <sambabasse> sorry, bad window
07:26 <sambabasse> thank yu romulus
07:27 <sambabasse> i'am under linux ubuntu gnome
07:27 <sambabasse> How do we do to start boinc automatically ?
07:28 <KathrynM> how did you install boinc?
07:29 <sambabasse> it was the friend, who convert me to linux and boinc, who did that
07:30 <sambabasse> so I don't no
07:30 <KathrynM> how do you run boinc now?
07:31 <sambabasse> He doesn't work yet, I wil try to start it (I'm not so good with linux)
07:31 <KathrynM> I'm not so good either. But definitely learning ;)
07:32 <sambabasse> me too ;)
07:33 <sambabasse> it's by the way usr bin, I have boinc, boinc-client, boinc cmd and boinccmgr
07:33 <sambabasse> I don't what what I should do to lance boinc
07:34 <KathrynM> It sounds like he might have installed it using the package manager.
07:34 <KathrynM> Is there anything in the gnome start menu thing (I don't know what it's called, I use KDE)
07:36 <sambabasse> I don't have the menu because, I don't no how to start boinc with my linux (it start alone with windox xp, but I ant to use linux rather
07:36 <KathrynM> In gnome, there should be an icon you click on that gives you a menu of all the installed programs.
07:36 <KathrynM> See if you can find BOINC in there.
07:38 <sambabasse> I(ve lost the icone when I fall my "tableau de bord" I don't know in english what is it
07:38 <KathrynM> Can you get into the package manager and search for BOINC?
07:41 <sambabasse> I'm bad in computer english, what is the package manager ?
07:42 <KathrynM> It's what you use to install software from the Ubuntu repositories.
07:44 <sambabasse> I should search the package manager ?
07:44 <KathrynM> For me (in Fedora) I can search to see what is installed using the package manager.
07:44 <sambabasse> My friend achieve to run boinc on my linux, but I don't know how he as done
07:45 <KathrynM> it it's in /usr/bin, then it sounds like it was installed from the package manager
07:47 <sambabasse> yes, it is in /usr/bin
07:48 <KathrynM> But I'm not all that familiar with Ubuntu, so I could be off base.
07:48 <KathrynM> Maybe when CoderForLife gets back from breakfast he'll know for sure.
07:50 <sambabasse> OK, thanks
07:50 <KathrynM> no problem
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07:54 <sambabasse> I found, my firend is come back
07:55 <sambabasse> I should start boinb and boincmgr to see what he 'is doing
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07:55 <KathrynM> ok good luck
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10:10 * CoderForLife looks out the window - I am in an alternate reality
10:11 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking of cranking up the snow thrower in about 4 hours from now
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10:40 <Rookie_69> That's enough running around outside. Now to prioritize my inside chores.
10:41 <Rookie_69> ... like hang up my wet laundry because I forgot the stack of quarters for the dryer.
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11:21 <nickuwo> Anybody know if you can write a work generator in Java???
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11:46 <Lorvija> Heya, anyone heard of heatpumps delivering over 500C output?
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12:43 <Rookie_69> busy... L8er.
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14:00 <PovAddict> &urlquote #boinc
14:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: %23boinc
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14:01 <PovAddict> &urlquote #boinc
14:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: %23boinc
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14:11 <PovAddict_> &urlquote #boinc
14:11 <Romulus> PovAddict_: %23boinc
14:11 <PovAddict_> oops
14:13 <MTughan> How many times do you want it encoded?
14:14 <PovAddict_> I did it once, and disconnected, so didn't get the reply
14:14 <PovAddict_> second one worked
14:14 <MTughan> Third was a mistake?
14:14 <PovAddict_> the third was pressing up arrow and enter while keyboard focus was in the wrong place
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14:46 * Rookie_69 is cooking up a chicken heart stir-fry.
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14:49 <Rookie_69> Heart: The other red meat!
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14:58 <PovAddict_> nickuwo: I just noticed your question
14:58 <PovAddict_> "Anybody know if you can write a work generator in Java???"
14:58 <PovAddict_> it should be possible
14:58 <PovAddict_> might be easier in a few years when/if I rewrite the whole boinc server in java
15:02 <Rookie_69> Hearts, baby carrots, sugar snap peas, onions, mushrooms, celery, shrimp just cause I had some... all on a bed of wild/long grain rice... I'm drooling.
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15:12 <nickuwo> haha OK... but if I have work_generator.jar, san I just put that in config.xml... also, does BOINC just call work_generator when there is less than some amount of work, or is it always running when BOINC is running?
15:16 <nickuwo> god my internet is slow today...
15:19 <Rookie_69> Don't blame it on god...
15:20 <nickuwo> I wonderin how god gets on the internet.... T1, ya think?
15:22 <Rookie_69> Satellite linkup.\
15:24 <nickuwo> wirelss?
15:27 <Rookie_69> Rabbit ears... Harvey must be good for something.
15:33 <PovAddict> nickuwo: daemons like work generators are started when you do ./bin/start and killed when you do ./bin/stop
15:34 <Romulus> I got really bad internet this morning too
15:34 <nickuwo> awesome
15:34 <PovAddict> it's up to the work generator to check when there is less than a certain amount of work or whatever
15:34 <nickuwo> ok, will it run a .jar?
15:34 <PovAddict> maybe
15:34 <nickuwo> ok
15:34 <PovAddict> probably better to add the daemon as java -jar myworkgen.jar
15:34 <nickuwo> nice, I'll try that
15:36 <nickuwo> hmm, gonna be interesting calling those boinc_db.h methods...
15:36 <nickuwo> maybe I'll just learn c++ :)
15:37 <nickuwo> should anyway
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15:49 <MTughan> nickuwo: You could make another program in C++ to make those calls.
15:49 <MTughan> Although I think there is an interface to call C++ methods from Java...
15:49 <PovAddict> yeah have fun with JNI
15:50 <MTughan> That's it.
15:50 <PovAddict> you can't call C++ methods; you need to make functions with a specific signature that call the C++ methods, and call those from Java
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16:09 <PovAddict> hey DannyCooper
16:09 <DannyCooper> yea?
16:10 <PovAddict> I'm Nicolas from the mailing list
16:10 <DannyCooper> ah ok
16:11 <DannyCooper> so what should I do?
16:11 <PovAddict> so... you have BOINC code
16:11 <Romulus> they said they would share the same name as the leading power in the result file to find another station.
16:11 <PovAddict> and ./_autosetup says configure.ac doesn't even exist?
16:12 <PovAddict> ugh
16:12 <PovAddict> somebody shut up the bot... lol
16:12 <DannyCooper> right
16:12 <PovAddict> and the .ac does exist, right?
16:12 <DannyCooper> yep
16:13 <PovAddict> autoconf --version
16:13 <DannyCooper> 2.61
16:14 <PovAddict> do you have 'configure', 'configure.in', and/or 'Makefile'?
16:15 <DannyCooper> makefile.am and .incl
16:15 <PovAddict> okay
16:15 <PovAddict> one step at a time
16:15 <PovAddict> try: aclocal -I m4
16:15 <PovAddict> and see if it gives any error
16:16 <DannyCooper> says configure.ac required
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16:17 <PovAddict> hmm
16:17 <PovAddict> users...
16:17 <PovAddict> do 'ls -l', and paste the result in www.pastebin.com
16:19 <DannyCooper> tell it to send?
16:19 <Rookie_69> Moo.
16:19 <PovAddict> yeah and give me the link
16:19 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
16:20 <PovAddict> I don't see configure.ac there
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16:20 <DannyCooper> sorry bout that
16:20 <PovAddict> I don't see configure.ac there
16:20 <efc> &weather 30625
16:20 <Romulus> efc: The current temperature in Greensboro, Georgia is 44.6°F (4:00 PM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...
16:21 <DannyCooper> i know, but it's in the boinc folder
16:21 <PovAddict> you have a 'boinc' folder inside another...?
16:22 <DannyCooper> it's just in the user's home
16:22 <DannyCooper> i didn't move it after the svn
16:22 <PovAddict> you seem to have BOINC directories and your own home files all mixed up...?
16:23 <DannyCooper> i don't think so, like i said, i didn't move anything around
16:24 <PovAddict> well, Videos looks like your own folder
16:24 <DannyCooper> boinc just went into the user's folder and i've been running things frrom it
16:24 <PovAddict> and zip, test, tools, sched, sea, etc. is from BOINC code
16:25 <DannyCooper> yea, that's where they are
16:25 <PovAddict> then what's inside ./boinc there?
16:26 <DannyCooper> that's the folder i got from the svn
16:26 <PovAddict> well you should cd boinc; and do your stuff from there
16:27 <DannyCooper> ok one sec
16:29 <DannyCooper> now it says that _autosetup doesn't exist, but it showed up on 'ls -l'
16:29 <PovAddict> hmm
16:29 <PovAddict> put a ls -l on pastebin again
16:29 <PovAddict> and include your shell prompt so I see where you are
16:30 <DannyCooper> of cd ./boinc ?
16:30 <PovAddict> yeah
16:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
16:31 <PovAddict> ./_autosetup
16:31 <PovAddict> you need ./ to run stuff on the current directory :)
16:31 <DannyCooper> ah so
16:32 <DannyCooper> forgot that part, sorry
16:32 <DannyCooper> alright now it says for me to run configure
16:32 <DannyCooper> awesome
16:34 <DannyCooper> one quick question, what's the version of MySQL that works best for BOINC server?
16:35 <PovAddict> the docs say 4.0.9 or higher
16:35 <PovAddict> I'd recommend 5.something
16:35 <PovAddict> but I don't know much 'bout databases
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16:37 <PovAddict> it was time already... I had gone like half an hour without my connection breaking...
16:37 <PovAddict> *sigh*
16:37 <DannyCooper> i was trying to install it but it said that it need a massive amount of dependencies
16:37 <DannyCooper> lol
16:37 <PovAddict> you need --disable-client when configuring
16:37 <Romulus> adds to the side
16:38 <DannyCooper> yea, that's why i asked about MySQL; that's what i was installing, it needs all sorts of library files
16:39 <PovAddict> libmysqlclient?
16:39 <DannyCooper> among others
16:39 <DannyCooper> do you know if BOINC requires the full version of MySQL, or would the community (free) one work?
16:40 <PovAddict> I don't think anyone has the paid version
16:40 <PovAddict> they're actually quite the same...
16:40 <DannyCooper> ok
16:40 <PovAddict> the paid version gets you somewhat-newer code and technical support
16:41 <DannyCooper> oh ok
16:42 <DannyCooper> is there a way to check the RPM version so I know just what MySQL to get?
16:42 * PovAddict knows nothing about rpms or fedora's yum
16:42 <PovAddict> do you have mysql server already?
16:43 <DannyCooper> nope
16:43 <DannyCooper> that's why i'm downloading it
16:43 <PovAddict> ie. are you missing just the libmysqlclient or the whole server too?
16:43 <DannyCooper> whole thing
16:43 <PovAddict> I think it would be better to install it using yum than using mysql website
16:44 <DannyCooper> yea that'd probably be a good idea
16:44 <DannyCooper> is there a way to run a terminal as root while logged in as another user?
16:45 <nickuwo> su
16:45 <PovAddict> try: sudo <command you want to run as root>
16:45 <PovAddict> like
16:46 <DannyCooper> thanks
16:46 <PovAddict> sudo yum install mysql-server
16:46 <PovAddict> if sudo doesn't work, use 'su' to get a root shell
16:46 <DannyCooper> i used su and it worked
16:48 <DannyCooper> ok one more problem
16:48 <DannyCooper> i swear
16:48 <nickuwo> just be sure to 'exit' when your done
16:49 <DannyCooper> i did
16:50 <DannyCooper> i ran configure and it says i need "development libraries and headers" for openGL, where can i get those?
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16:51 <nickuwo> I think you only need openGL if your developing a client that uses graphics...
16:51 <nickuwo> anyway you can get them in yum or apt like mysql
16:52 <nickuwo> i think (POV knows for sure)
16:52 <PovAddict> you don't need opengl libs
16:52 <DannyCooper> i ran configure with -disable-client and it said that i needed them
16:52 <PovAddict> can anyone pastebin the last few messages?
16:52 <Romulus> also, gotta love players that eat CDs for lunch.
16:52 <PovAddict> I got disconnected again <.<
16:53 <PovAddict> &ping
16:53 <Romulus> pong
16:53 <PovAddict> still up, phew
16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:46]<DannyCooper>i used su and it worked
16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>ok one more problem
16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>i swear
16:54 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<nickuwo>just be sure to 'exit' when your done
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:48]<DannyCooper>i did
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:50]<DannyCooper>i ran configure and it says i need "development libraries and headers" for openGL, where can i get those?
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16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>I think you only need openGL if your developing a client that uses graphics...
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>anyway you can get them in yum or apt like mysql
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<nickuwo>i think (POV knows for sure)
16:55 <PovAddict> yeah got them now... thx anyway...
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<DannyCooper>i ran configure with -disable-client and it said that i needed them
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<PovAddict>you don't need opengl libs
16:55 <Rookie_69> [17:51]<PovAddict
16:55 <PovAddict> I surely got that last messages from *myself* ;)
16:56 <nickuwo> The homepage of the largest statue in the world only has 4 pictures of it, and none of them have any sense of scale...
16:57 <nickuwo> ridiculous
16:58 <DannyCooper> ok real quick, i tried make with boinc and i get the error that says 'mysql_row' has not been declared, any ideas?
16:58 <PovAddict> you need libmysqlclient-dev
16:59 <DannyCooper> can i yum that?
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17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> not so much snow throwing as snow plowing
17:07 <MTughan> Heh.
17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> 12" on the driveway
17:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> 3 hours to blaze a path to the street
17:08 * CoderOnTheCouch splodes
17:08 <Rookie_69> BewM!
17:09 <CoderOnTheCouch> thank you, Inspector Clouseau
17:10 <Rookie_69> 'snow percipitation here except a lot of rain.
17:10 <CoderOnTheCouch> think about this causality problem: the driveway was impassable - I had to clear the driveway to allow an ambulance to be able to get to the house in cause I encountered a medical emergency clearing the driveway
17:11 <DannyCooper> anyone know the easiest way to install 'libmysqlclient -dev'?
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17:11 <nickuwo> not on yum?
17:12 <PovAddict> what isn't?
17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> my answer would be yum...
17:12 <DannyCooper> nope
17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> hmm
17:12 <PovAddict> >:o @ IRC connection
17:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> YUR IRC CON SUX
17:12 <PovAddict> i no dat
17:13 <nickuwo> it should be on there, refresh your repositories, or just search for mysql...
17:14 <MTughan> yum gets it here.
17:14 <PovAddict> what package
17:14 <PovAddict> <.<
17:15 <Romulus> I think that thing could power all of the main science app is under devel
17:15 <MTughan> I have mysqlclient14-devel and mysqlclient10-devel.
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17:53 <MTughan> &list alias
17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: #boinc, 8b, 8ball, add, answer, bchset, beer, bighello, bticket, bw, bye, cad, coffee, countdown, damnpointers, ding, donkeyscoffee, eclipse, espresso, explosm, g2g, hello, hny, jfgi, liberalcoffee, lock, lol, math, mornin, nn, pastebin, pizza, pong, qc, quiet, remove, sleep, social, stfu, syn, teal'c, thanks, unlock, wrong, wrong2, xkcd, and yum
17:53 <MTughan> &list lookup
17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: add, airport, areacode, boincerr, deepthought, httpcode, port, remove, rfc, search, stateinfo, and zipcode
17:53 <MTughan> &boincerr 255
17:53 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find 255 in boincerr.
17:53 <MTughan> Hmm...
17:53 <PovAddict> &boincerr -1
17:53 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find -1 in boincerr.
17:53 <MTughan> -1 is mine.
17:54 <PovAddict> store -1 in an unsigned 8-bit integer
17:54 <MTughan> Why?
17:55 <PovAddict> might give 255... or is it 254...
17:59 <efc> all ones, 255
17:59 <efc> typically.. oh now i forget all the 1s/2s complement junk..
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18:10 <ilovegizmos> can one of you guys help me with the boinc sample programs? they aren't working
18:11 <PovAddict> if they don't work, maybe you should pay them more :)
18:11 <PovAddict> or hire new ones
18:11 <ilovegizmos> hmmm
18:11 <PovAddict> </pun>
18:11 <PovAddict> what exactly doesn't work? :)
18:11 <ilovegizmos> i was trying to run example_app
18:12 <ilovegizmos> it says i need more g++ and c++ libraries
18:12 <ilovegizmos> but I installed them
18:14 <ilovegizmos> specifically it says i need libstdc++.a
18:15 <ilovegizmos> i tried to yum it and the g++ ones but it says they're already installed
18:15 * CoderOnTheCouch passes out
18:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm outta here
18:16 <ilovegizmos> how tech support of you
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18:17 <Tank_Master> lol
18:17 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: Are you able to compile other programs?
18:19 <ilovegizmos> none of the other samples no
18:19 <MTughan> Not samples. Any other C++ programs.
18:20 <MTughan> Doesn't matter if it's related to BOINC or not.
18:20 <ilovegizmos> haven't tried
18:20 <PovAddict> read it carefully... :)
18:20 <MTughan> Because libstdc++ is the C++ library/
18:20 <MTughan> PovAddict: lol, but not helping.
18:21 <PovAddict> oh I was supposed to help? I'm just reading this site
18:21 <ilovegizmos> lol
18:21 <MTughan> GCC can't find libstdc++.
18:21 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: Are there Makefiles for the samples? I don't remember.
18:21 <ilovegizmos> yea
18:21 <MTughan> Open one up, look for "gcc".
18:22 <MTughan> Should be under a variable called CC.
18:22 <ilovegizmos> doesn't appear to be one
18:22 <ilovegizmos> at least in the one i'm trying to run
18:23 <MTughan> Oh... I just opened up the Makefile from example_app, and it says to softlink libstdc++.a.
18:23 <MTughan> ln -s $(g++ -print-file-name=libstdc++.a)
18:24 <MTughan> Do that in the folder where you're trying to build.
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18:24 <MTughan> 'lo Doug
18:24 <MTughan> Or it may have just been his client pinging out...
18:24 <wdsmia_> both
18:24 <ilovegizmos> i did the soft link
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18:25 <MTughan> ilovegizmos: You did it just now, or you did it before?
18:25 <ilovegizmos> both
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18:25 <ilovegizmos> but before i had typed it wrong :(
18:25 <MTughan> It said to use backticks?
18:25 <ilovegizmos> yea
18:25 <MTughan> Means you're fine, both work...
18:25 <ilovegizmos> oh well
18:26 <MTughan> ls -l
18:26 <ilovegizmos> now i have a pile of graphics errors
18:26 <MTughan> See if the link has a destination.
18:26 <PovAddict> disable gfx
18:26 <MTughan> Wait, no libstdc++ errors?
18:26 <ilovegizmos> not this time
18:26 <ilovegizmos> soft link worked
18:26 <MTughan> Okay, good.
18:27 <ilovegizmos> and like I said, now i have graphics problems it seems
18:29 <MTughan> What one are you trying?
18:30 <ilovegizmos> trying to run make for example_app
18:30 <PovAddict> make uc2
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18:31 <PovAddict> if you run just 'make' it will build uc2 and uc2_graphics
18:31 <PovAddict> 'make uc2' will build just the non-gfx one
18:31 <MTughan> Even with that, I get an error... With X11 it seems.
18:31 <MTughan> ld: in /usr/X11R6/lib, can't map file, errno=22
18:32 <PovAddict> look at the makefile code... it doesn't even have -lX11 if you compile uc2
18:32 <ilovegizmos> in the boinc_samples uc folder I have, there's a readme that says it won't build
18:32 <MTughan> -L /usr/X11R6/lib
18:32 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: example_app is uppercase2
18:32 <PovAddict> uppercase won't build, right
18:33 <ilovegizmos> oh ok
18:33 <ilovegizmos> well taht's what i'm running
18:33 <ilovegizmos> or trying to
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18:33 <ilovegizmos> i did 'make uc2' and it said 'uc2' is up to date
18:34 <PovAddict_> then it's already compiled and should even work
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18:34 <ilovegizmos> ok so then its a matter of running it from a client
18:34 <ilovegizmos> ?
18:34 <PovAddict> yep
18:34 <MTughan> Oops... It won't build anyway, because my BOINC libraries are compiled for x86_64 from building that core client. xD
18:34 <PovAddict> you can run it standalone too
18:35 <PovAddict> just ./uc2
18:36 <ilovegizmos> awesome
18:36 <ilovegizmos> thanks guys
18:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: in the end I got eclipse to see my mingw
18:37 <PovAddict> it gives an error "the toolchain is unsupported on this system"
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18:37 <PovAddict> followed by "*attempting* to build"
18:37 <PovAddict> followed by a successful compilation
18:38 <MTughan> lol...
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18:38 <MTughan> So basically an IDE for MinGW?
18:39 * Rookie_69 is eating Bill Cosby's "The Chicken Heart that ate New York City".
18:39 <PovAddict> nope, it's an IDE for any gcc you configure correctly
18:39 <MTughan> Cool. You might want to try Dev-C++ too.
18:39 <PovAddict> Dev-C++ is what I used to start learning C++...
18:40 <PovAddict> I got tired of having a null pointer exception each time I did code completion, and a dozen other quirks
18:40 <MTughan> rofl
18:41 <MTughan> I'll stick with Xcode myself.
18:41 <PovAddict> I would if I had a mac
18:41 <MTughan> You could take your dad up on his offer.
18:42 <PovAddict> buy me one? :)
18:42 <MTughan> I won't. I thought your dad would though.
18:43 <MTughan> I know you can program for Mac in C++. Don't know why you wouldn't be able to do the same for the iPhone/iPod touch.
18:43 <MTughan> How about iP/iPt?
18:44 <PovAddict> what do you mean?
18:44 <PovAddict> without Obj-C?
18:44 <MTughan> I think you should be able to program in C++ for the iP/iPt.
18:44 <MTughan> You can for OS X.
18:44 <Romulus> it should be nothing more than automated (:
18:44 <MTughan> You've heard of Carbon?
18:45 <PovAddict> I really doubt there is Carbon or similar for the iPhone
18:45 <MTughan> Well, you can do command line apps in C++.
18:45 <PovAddict> sure I can, and have
18:45 <PovAddict> I have a povray binary compiled for the iPod touch, which would run if it wasn't that the compiler doesn't support C++ exceptions
18:45 <MTughan> Good point.
18:47 <PovAddict> well, looks like I got Eclipse to even read my primegrid screensaver makefile
18:47 <PovAddict> the project explorer shows craploads of files, which gets annoying
18:47 <PovAddict> all the .o files and temporary files from autotools
18:49 <PovAddict> got it to hide them
18:55 <PovAddict> at first sight
18:55 <PovAddict> seems better than gvim + typing make on a shell
18:55 <PovAddict> I should try out the debugger and stuff
18:58 <PovAddict> and mom is making pizza \o/
19:00 <MTughan> Nice.
19:01 * PovAddict pizza ->
19:03 <MTughan> Bye.
19:14 <nickuwo> let's say I have some c++ class named mpz_class and I want to instantiate it with value "1". is it the same as java? e.g mpz_class one = new mpz_class("1");
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19:31 <PovAddict> yes, if you have a constructor taking a char* as argument
19:31 <PovAddict> or maybe (better) a const char*
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19:33 <PovAddict> wait no
19:33 <PovAddict> with new, you get a pointer
19:33 <PovAddict> mpz_class* one = new mpz_class("1");
19:33 <nickuwo> hmm, it's bitchin about somthing - i did it like 'mpz_class one = mpz_class::__gmp_expr("1");' and it worked... why is that?
19:33 <nickuwo> oh ok
19:33 <PovAddict> or mpz_class one("1"); if you don't want to use the heap
19:34 <nickuwo> c++ lets you choose if you want something in the heap?
19:34 <nickuwo> crazy!
19:35 <PovAddict> only 'new' allocates memory in the heap
19:35 <nickuwo> otherwise it goes where? stack?
19:36 <PovAddict> yeah
19:36 <nickuwo> gotchya
19:36 <PovAddict> and gets freed when the function/method ends
19:36 <PovAddict> if you use new, you have to explicitly free it with delete
19:36 <PovAddict> or leak memory
19:37 <nickuwo> interesting
19:37 <nickuwo> That's why they teach us java :)
19:38 <PovAddict> well you'll like comparing strings with == instead of .equals :)
19:39 <PovAddict> OMG I got pirates work!
19:41 <PovAddict> but all it does is show "UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS"
19:41 <PovAddict> oh wait, it switches between graphic apps...
19:42 <nickuwo> whats the diff btw #include <boinc_db.h> and #include "boinc_db.h"?
19:47 <PovAddict> "The use of the angle brackets (< and >) around the header's name indicate that the header file is to be looked for on the system disk which stores the rest of the C program application."
19:47 <PovAddict> "The double quotes indicate that the current working directory should be searched for the required header file. This will be true when you write your own header files but the standard header files should always have the angle brackets around them."
19:47 <nickuwo> spose I coulda looked that one up :)
19:48 <Tank_Master> lol
19:48 <nickuwo> thx tho
19:49 <nickuwo> havin linker probs now...
19:50 <nickuwo> I hope someone pays you to answer all these questions Pov
19:52 <PovAddict> i wont complain if you do
19:53 <nickuwo> If I wasn't a poor college student I would...
19:54 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:10:24)
19:56 <nickuwo> do you have experience making work generators pov, and if so, I'm using eclipse, and I have it the sample_work_generator compiles, but the linker complains about undefined references, specifically DB_BASE, DB_WORKUNIT and DB_APP, aren't those in boinc_db.h?
19:56 <PovAddict> my work generator is a shell script that runs create_work command-line tool
19:57 <nickuwo> i c
19:57 <nickuwo> how does it know when to make more?
19:58 <PovAddict> it's not on the daemon list
19:58 <PovAddict> I run it manually when I want work
19:58 <nickuwo> ok
19:58 <Romulus> Wait, no libstdc++ errors?
19:59 <MTughan> He must be getting short on markovs...
20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> So has anybody figured out about what sort of security model, if anything, is present in the SDK / iPhone 2.0?
20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> It is just, "Steve calls your parents if your app trashes people's iPhones?"
20:00 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> lol
20:00 <PovAddict> <gopi> Microsoft tried that security model with ActiveX.
20:00 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> didn't quite work
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20:14 <nickuwo> where is mweltin when you need him...
20:14 <MTughan> He just parted a few minutes ago actually.
20:14 <MTughan> He's usually in #tsp, not #boinc.
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20:26 <PovAddict_> whoa
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20:26 <PovAddict> there's people running multiple projects and comparing runtimes
20:26 <PovAddict> for "project cooperation"
20:27 <KathrynM> huh?
20:27 <PovAddict> for example, running two units of project A on a dualcore may be slower than one A and one B, if project A moves a lot of memory around
20:27 <PovAddict> memory becomes a bottleneck
20:27 <KathrynM> oh
20:27 <KathrynM> wasn't there something a while back about seti and einstein?
20:27 <PovAddict> that's what I'm reading
20:28 <KathrynM> lol
20:32 <efc> seti used to have very high memory bandwidth, not sure if thats changed
20:33 <efc> Btw, there's an FFT algorithm that minimizes it, at the expense of some more multiplications
20:33 <Wabbit98> I run multiple projects and have no clue what project cooperation is
20:36 <KathrynM> I dunno... project cooperation is a bit too much micromanaging for my tastes
20:36 <KathrynM> not that I've ever micromanaged BOINC.............
20:36 <PovAddict> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
20:36 * KathrynM looks around innocently
20:37 <PovAddict> omg... how evil...
20:37 <efc> I wish I could manage it into fetching a bit more work.. but it seems to ignore my settings
20:37 <PovAddict> somebody added an app called "Magenta" into the "Productivity" section of the iPod installer
20:37 <PovAddict> you open it, and there is something like a magenta ball with a face
20:37 <PovAddict> but doesn't seem to do anything...
20:37 <Wabbit98> PrimeGrid is awful at project cooperaztion
20:37 <PovAddict> there is an "about" button on top
20:37 <Romulus> this it downt goback into the wu?
20:37 <PovAddict> so you tap it
20:37 <PovAddict> and the button moves
20:38 <PovAddict> runs away from you
20:38 <KathrynM> lol
20:38 <KathrynM> definitely productive3
20:38 <PovAddict> the biggest evil is the category...
20:38 <PovAddict> so then you tap Contact
20:38 <PovAddict> and the button falls down
20:38 <KathrynM> lol'
20:38 * KathrynM wants
20:38 <PovAddict> then it converts into a... FISH
20:38 <KathrynM> that's freaking awesome
20:39 <PovAddict> oh the contact button not only falls
20:39 <MTughan> Wow... I suspend BOINC on my laptop, and both cores stay at 100%.
20:39 <PovAddict> it also follows the accelerometer... turn the iPod upside down and it falls to the other side
20:39 <MTughan> iMovie rendering some stuff and VMware installing an OS.
20:40 <KathrynM> scrabulous = huge time sink ;)
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20:43 <PovAddict> and Pianist app is broken...
20:44 <PovAddict> I worked around it, got it working
20:44 <PovAddict> told somebody about it
20:44 <PovAddict> he found the problem, got somebody else to fix it... who fixed it wrong
20:45 <KathrynM> figures
20:45 <PovAddict> I reinstalled, and now it's not only not working, but my workaround doesn't work either
20:45 <Wabbit98> if someone fixed it wrong was it really fixed>?
20:45 <KathrynM> isn't that how things in boinc get fixed Wabbit98?
20:45 <PovAddict> erm
20:45 <PovAddict> I was going to give more details but KathrynM would panic
20:46 <KathrynM> try me ;)
20:46 <Wabbit98> KathrynM all to true
20:46 <PovAddict> he typed /Media instead of Media/
20:46 * Wabbit98 has been around since the very, very beginning
20:46 <KathrynM> details details details ;)
20:46 <PovAddict> so yeah
20:46 <KathrynM> like me trying to run a script from cron
20:47 <PovAddict> typing a character wrong *can* get your computer in a black hole in some situations :)
20:47 <MTughan> File paths?
20:47 <PovAddict> ahem
20:48 <PovAddict> didn't you once "rm -f bin /*" instead of "rm -f bin/*" and deleted your kernel?
20:48 <MTughan> And have I done it again?
20:48 <PovAddict> :)
20:48 <KathrynM> PovAddict, like rm -rf * .o vs rm -rf *.o
20:48 <PovAddict> all I meant is shit happens
20:48 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
20:49 <PovAddict> sure once it happens you make sure it doesn't happen again
20:49 <PovAddict> and I'm sure this guy made this other guy make sure he doesn't get the freaking slash wrong again
20:49 <KathrynM> hey. who needs a kernel
20:49 <KathrynM> another one of those nasty details ;)
20:50 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)
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21:05 <PovAddict> 1 hour
21:05 <PovAddict> finished Pirates WU
21:06 <PovAddict> KathrynM: got any?
21:06 <KathrynM> didn't look
21:06 <PovAddict> first gfx were just a static image saying "UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS"
21:06 <KathrynM> is it one of the trickling on?
21:06 <KathrynM> *one
21:06 <KathrynM> yeah
21:06 <PovAddict> I dunno
21:06 <PovAddict> first one I get in months
21:06 <KathrynM> check your logs
21:06 <PovAddict> lalanne
21:07 <PovAddict> 08/03/2008 22:43:07|Pirates@Home|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 29545 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
21:07 <PovAddict> :o
21:07 <KathrynM> yup
21:07 <KathrynM> :)
21:07 <KathrynM> nothing on linux because I bumped up my cache to grab some E@H to look at run time variation and forgot to put it back down so now I have a boatload of ralph too
21:07 <KathrynM> :/
21:08 <PovAddict> lol
21:08 <PovAddict> pwned by the scheduler
21:08 <KathrynM> pretty much
21:08 <KathrynM> hmmmmmm
21:08 <KathrynM> what did I say about micromanaging
21:08 <KathrynM> nope. no pirates at all
21:08 <KathrynM> but i do have depspid
21:09 <PovAddict> lol @ micromanaging
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21:17 * PovAddict does a "normal" operation with his iPod
21:17 <PovAddict> I'll copy some more music to it!
21:19 <KathrynM> what fun is that?
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21:40 <efc> &weather 30625
21:40 <Romulus> efc: The current temperature in Greensboro, Georgia is 37.4°F (9:19 PM EST on March 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
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22:17 <HeXiLeD> hi guys
22:18 <HeXiLeD> im trying to set boinc and rosetta on ubuntu ( i have mine running on gentoo and it was SOOOOO easy ) i am also doing this witout using a gui . is there anyone that can help ?
22:21 <Tank_Master> Pov can is he is here
22:23 <HeXiLeD> PovAddict: :)
22:24 <Tank_Master> ya
22:29 <KathrynM> you'll need to use boinc_cmd
22:29 <PovAddict> did you install boinc already?
22:29 <KathrynM> and that's about all I can tell you :)
22:30 <KathrynM> laterz all. gotta go do the grocery shopping :/
22:30 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
22:31 <HeXiLeD> PovAddict: yes\
22:35 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)
22:35 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at boinc.bakerlab.org)
22:36 <HeXiLeD> Authorization failure: -155
22:36 <HeXiLeD> i ve done all that
22:36 <HeXiLeD> nad at some point
22:36 <HeXiLeD> it feteched the files and all
22:36 <PovAddict> &boincerr -155
22:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: authentication error
22:37 <PovAddict> did you apt-get install boinc?
22:37 <PovAddict> or how did you install it?
22:37 <HeXiLeD> yes
22:37 <HeXiLeD> apt-get
22:37 <PovAddict> any idea where it keeps the data files?
22:37 <HeXiLeD> yes
22:37 <HeXiLeD> 1 sec
22:37 <PovAddict> cd to that directory, and try boinc_cmd again
22:38 <HeXiLeD> /etc/boinc-client and /var/lib/boinc/
22:38 <HeXiLeD> same error
22:40 <HeXiLeD> i will try stuff until i figure out hot it works on ubuntu
22:40 * HeXiLeD loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees GENTOO
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23:26 <mweltin> hey anyone here ?
23:26 <mweltin> need some validator help
23:27 <MTughan> Pov should be.
23:27 <mweltin> ok
23:30 <mweltin> PovAddict you here?
23:30 <HeXiLeD> i reinstalled it. it worked right away.
23:32 <Tank_Master> Im never here
23:32 <mweltin> tank!
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23:32 <Tank_Master> mweltin!
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23:32 <Tank_Master> BA!
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23:33 <Soul_keeper> blastid !!
23:34 <Wabbit98> its mw
23:34 <Wabbit98> and I can offer no validator help
23:35 <mweltin> ok I'll just through this out, if my result template has OUTFILE_0 for a name, in my validator the string vector I pass to get_output_file_paths first element will have the OUTFILE_0 file name?
23:35 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024 is that case worth 130 bucks ?
23:35 <mweltin> Wabbit98, how are you?
23:35 <Wabbit98> ready for the new apps
23:35 * Wabbit98 looks at his watch and taps his feet
23:35 <HeXiLeD> currently i have 5 computers on my rosetta account. these boxes are being displayed on the website. how can i remove them ?
23:36 <mweltin> I thing there is a setting in your profile to "hide" your hosts.
23:36 <mweltin> but why would you want to?
23:37 <HeXiLeD> because these computers no longer exist
23:37 <MTughan> They'll be hidden after 30 days of inactivity.
23:37 <mweltin> ahh you want to remove them all together.
23:37 <HeXiLeD> yes
23:37 <MTughan> There's no was to remove them.
23:37 <HeXiLeD> and leave only the working ones
23:37 <mweltin> ok what MTughan said
23:37 <MTughan> At least, from the client.
23:37 <MTughan> The admin of the project might be able to, but you can't.
23:38 <HeXiLeD> ithe admin of the group ? or rosetta ?
23:38 <Soul_keeper> wasn't ATX supposed to be dead by now ?
23:39 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: ATX form?
23:39 <MTughan> Or ATX PSUs?
23:39 <Soul_keeper> form factor
23:40 <MTughan> Since when? I didn't hear about that...
23:40 <Soul_keeper> intel/amd have been talking about replacements for years now
23:40 <MTughan> Huh.
23:40 <Soul_keeper> just none of them have caught on ...
23:40 <Soul_keeper> btx and others ...
23:41 <MTughan> BTX apparently is standard for big computer makers, but parts you buy yourself are still ATX.
23:41 <Romulus> Title: ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:41 <MTughan> First paragraph.
23:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah i know what the stuff is, i just wanted to start conversation ...
23:42 <Soul_keeper> nm
23:42 <Wabbit98> Soul feels lonely
23:42 <Wabbit98> group hug
23:42 <MTughan> Heh. Maybe we could talk about the ups and downs of ATX and its replacements.
23:43 <Soul_keeper> well i'm looking to buy a computer case
23:43 <Soul_keeper> but they are pretty expensive, essentially the most expensive component
23:43 <MTughan> Not even the CPU?
23:43 <mweltin> and why doesn't two_credit function work? I.e. why does the compiler say its not there.
23:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah cpu's are cheap, i don't buy the most expensive ones ...
23:44 <MTughan> Ah. I'm looking at a C2Q, that's why.
23:44 <MTughan> I don't know too much about cases. I've only ever got one, but I love it.
23:44 <Soul_keeper> i got the slowest c2d they made
23:45 <Soul_keeper> considering that one
23:45 <MTughan> From Lian-Li. http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/contact_us/index1.php
23:45 <Soul_keeper> how much did you pay for yours ?
23:45 <MTughan> Good question. That was 3.5 years ago.
23:46 <MTughan> And I think I actually got it as a gift.
23:46 <Romulus> you should have used the wrong word. more like it hasn't been ruled out
23:46 <Soul_keeper> lian-li is pretty much one of the most expensive ones
23:46 <Wabbit98> mw you are not in your own chan
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23:47 <MTughan> I can give you the model number.
23:47 <MTughan> nickuwo: mweltin's here.
23:47 <Soul_keeper> my last case was antec, so naturally i am looking at them again
23:47 <mweltin> I was looking for boinc help
23:47 <Wabbit98> ah
23:47 <mweltin> but everyone here ignores me anyway
23:47 <nickuwo> ey mweltin
23:47 <Wabbit98> heheh
23:47 <MTughan> Cool. For my upgrade, I'm just sticking with my current case.
23:47 <mweltin> nickuwo how goes it?
23:47 <Wabbit98> except nickuwo, he keeps asking after you
23:47 <nickuwo> pretty good u?
23:47 <mweltin> did you get your sig thing worked out?
23:47 <mweltin> was it client side?
23:48 <nickuwo> yea, no, I reinstalled BOINC and everything worked! It was sweet
23:48 <nickuwo> anyway, r u working on a work generator?
23:48 <mweltin> a full reinstall my not be that easy next time.
23:48 <mweltin> Validator
23:48 <nickuwo> mmmm
23:49 <mweltin> as I recall I went through 5 or 6 rebuilds.
23:49 <nickuwo> your writing it in c++?
23:49 <mweltin> yeah
23:49 <nickuwo> I'm having problems linking my compiled work_generator...
23:50 <mweltin> what is missing?
23:51 <nickuwo> the compiler can find all the methods in boinc_db.h, but my linker can't
23:51 <MTughan> Using gcc, g++?
23:51 <nickuwo> g++
23:51 <nickuwo> in eclipse
23:51 <MTughan> You're linking in the library?
23:51 <nickuwo> I tried -I
23:51 <nickuwo> not sure
23:51 <MTughan> No, you'll need -lboinc -lboinc_api I would think.
23:52 <nickuwo> hmm
23:52 <MTughan> Not sure what it is for the server components, but that's how you link in a library.
23:52 <MTughan> -lboinc would link in libboinc.(a, so, dylib)
23:53 <nickuwo> hmm, so I can put a library search path...
23:53 <mweltin> yeah -I is or includes dirs and -L is for library dirs
23:53 <nickuwo> so like just -L <path to boinc_db.h>
23:54 <MTughan> Nope... Unless the library you want to link in is in the same dir as boinc_db.h.
23:54 <mweltin> -L$(BOINCSRCDIR)/lib and /sched
23:54 <nickuwo> nice... brb
23:55 <mweltin> and you will need -lboinc adn -lsched
23:55 <nickuwo> I think I got those, cause my compiler is working
23:56 <MTughan> Ah, so libboinc and libsched...
23:56 <nickuwo> ok
23:57 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
23:57 <mweltin> it has a lot of stuff you don't need but look at anything boinc related
23:58 <MTughan> mweltin: Also, the standard for GCC flags is CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS, depending on the language being compiled.
23:58 <nickuwo> awesome, thnx
23:58 <mweltin> like I don't have enough trouble as it is, your are now the GNU police :)
23:59 <MTughan> That's not GNU.