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04:20 <CoderForLife> morning any and all
04:22 <efc> moo
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04:32 <CoderForLife> moo
04:32 <CoderForLife> was reading the news
04:32 <CoderForLife> nooews
04:33 <efc> 32" RC telescope for sale, if you have $275k to spare
04:40 * CoderForLife checks his pockets
04:40 <CoderForLife> nope, sorry
04:41 <CoderForLife> I'll have to have Spitzer send you the cash
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04:51 <efc> When I heard that and about who they caught him with I was thinking ... do they take Mastercard ...
04:51 <CoderForLife> he could have written a check like Jerry Springer did
04:52 <mweltin> sounds like I missed a good conversation, or a bad one./
04:53 <efc> "5'5 very pretty brunette"
04:53 <CoderForLife> on another topic, life was more simple before C strings went to multi-byte and wide characters
04:54 <mweltin> and life was even simpler when all we had were rocks to bang together.
04:54 * CoderForLife tries to figure out how to get from "char *" to "LPCWSTR"
04:55 <CoderForLife> 'tain't easy, it appears
04:56 <mweltin> I try not to thing about stuff like that.
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04:56 <efc> could probably grab every other byte, for quick and dirty (I have never done this)
04:59 <CoderForLife> maybe this CT2CW macro has promise
05:02 <CoderForLife> but first - breakfast
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05:10 <CoderForLife> b
05:10 <mweltin> fast
05:10 <CoderForLife> eating right here
05:11 <CoderForLife> I'll politely type with my mouth closed
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05:13 <CoderForLife> looks like flight17 has departed the gate
05:25 <CoderForLife> programming in C used to be so easy, before Microsoft got ahold of it and transmogrified it
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05:30 <mweltin> you can always use straight C, it will at least compile.
05:31 <mweltin> mingw, cygwin, enven MSVS will do it
05:31 <mweltin> even*
05:32 <mweltin> I get a ton of warnings about it, depricated stuff like fopen and alike, but it builds.
05:37 <CoderForLife> I appreciate that, but I need to call "GetDriveType(LPCTSTR lpRootPathName);", and it won't accept my "char *" as a parm.
05:38 <CoderForLife> hmm - that says LPCTSTR and I was asking LPCWSTR
05:38 <mweltin> I'm sorry, obviously you tried a cast
05:38 <CoderForLife> casting from single byte to double byte is trouble
05:39 <mweltin> do tell, why?
05:39 <mweltin> as you can tell I don't do much windows, and by much I mean none except for boinc stuff.
05:40 <CoderForLife> because it's not just an alternate way to access the same data, the data itself needs to be changed
05:41 <CoderForLife> well - I must be off to work
05:41 <CoderForLife> er w@#%
05:42 <mweltin> ok, so can you write a small macro, or function that will convert a char * to what you need.
05:42 <mweltin> ok
05:42 <mweltin> thanks for the lesson.
05:42 <CoderForLife> there are apparently built-in macros, as I discovered this morning
05:43 <CoderForLife> laterzz
05:44 <mweltin> later
05:48 * KathrynM is back (gone 06:10:56)
05:48 <mweltin> hey KathrynM
05:48 <KathrynM> mweltin!
05:48 <KathrynM> hiya
05:48 <mweltin> how is life?
05:48 <KathrynM> busy
05:49 <mweltin> the kids?
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05:49 <KathrynM> uh huh
05:49 <xcamel_away> boo
05:49 <KathrynM> just got out of a 45 minute meeting
05:49 <mweltin> xcamel hi
05:49 <KathrynM> on top of a 9-6 work day
05:50 <mweltin> folks often have two-three hour meetings
05:50 <mweltin> its a pain in the ass
05:50 <mweltin> nothing gets done.
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05:50 <KathrynM> yeah same here. but at least it was over in 45 minutes
05:50 <KathrynM> now i'm cleaning out the gp cage.
05:50 <KathrynM> how can such a little rodent crap so much
05:50 <mweltin> count your blessings
06:00 <mweltin> you can stop feeding it but taht wouldn't be very nice
06:01 <mweltin> maybe you can put it on one of those crazy diets like pure sugar or something.
06:01 <KathrynM> lol
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06:24 <hawmps> mornin..
06:25 <KathrynM> evenin'
06:26 <CoderForLife> goin' out the door - hello and goodbye
06:34 <wdsmia> yawn mornin all
06:37 <hawmps> yawn indeed
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07:39 <KathrynM> holy cow. DA posted on BOINC Stats
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08:00 <hawmps> lol
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08:11 <KathrynM> yo PovAddict, you around?
08:21 <KathrynM> yo clusty, you around?
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08:33 <clusty> KathrynM, hey
08:33 <KathrynM> hey, can your figure out what I'm doing wrong here?
08:34 <clusty> where?
08:34 <clusty> :D
08:34 <KathrynM> I'm trying to change the owner of a directory.
08:34 <KathrynM> From root:root to kathryn:Kathryn (yes the case is correct)
08:34 <clusty> sudo chown -R <user> <direct>
08:34 <KathrynM> I'm doing chown -R kathryn:Kathryn /Vista
08:34 <clusty> ouch
08:35 <clusty> is the /vista moubnterd
08:35 <KathrynM> yeah yeah yeah
08:35 <clusty> mounted?
08:35 * KathrynM smacks self in the head
08:35 <KathrynM> yes
08:35 <clusty> well you can't
08:35 <KathrynM> *sigh*
08:35 <clusty> you gotta mount with the good permissions
08:35 <KathrynM> I knew it had to be something stupid like that
08:35 <clusty> in fstab
08:36 <KathrynM> It is in fstab
08:36 <clusty> is it a read/write permissions issue?
08:36 <KathrynM> hold on
08:36 <clusty> what are you trying to do?
08:36 <KathrynM> changed ownership of `/Vista/wx' to kathryn:Kathryn
08:36 <KathrynM> changed ownership of `/Vista' to kathryn:Kathryn
08:36 <KathrynM> those are the last two lines after running it with a v flag
08:36 <KathrynM> the entire contents of /Vista scrolled by like that
08:36 <KathrynM> but when I do ls -l
08:36 <KathrynM> it's still owned root:root
08:36 <KathrynM> do I have to change it in fstab too?
08:36 <clusty> vfat does not support funny permissions
08:36 <clusty> wait
08:37 <KathrynM> it's ntsf
08:37 <clusty> what do you want to do exactly?
08:37 <KathrynM> have it owned by me
08:37 <KathrynM> so that when I mount it, I don't have to su first
08:37 <Romulus> can I attache to the states I can try sun-n-fun or come up this way to put it all the CPU
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08:37 <KathrynM> it's a pain in the butt
08:37 <clusty> better keep it on root
08:37 <KathrynM> why?
08:37 <clusty> and you get full permissions
08:37 <clusty> cause its easier
08:37 <KathrynM> lol
08:37 <KathrynM> I did chmod it to 777
08:38 <clusty> wont help
08:38 <KathrynM> but I thought life would be easier if I owned it
08:38 <KathrynM> not a biggie.
08:38 <clusty> what driver so you use to mount it?
08:38 <KathrynM> I mount it after I boot
08:38 <KathrynM> huh?
08:38 <clusty> the good old ntfs thing?
08:38 <KathrynM> beats the crap out of me
08:38 <KathrynM> I'll leave it as is and not worry about it
08:38 <clusty> anyways
08:39 <KathrynM> I just would have expected some sort of error
08:39 <KathrynM> but it says it's changing everything but it doesn't.
08:39 <clusty> you want to change the 3rd field
08:39 <clusty> and say something like: defaults,users
08:40 <KathrynM> in fstab?
08:40 <clusty> yes
08:40 <clusty> try to see if it works
08:40 <KathrynM> it's too late to deal with that
08:40 <KathrynM> I'll fool iwth it this weekend
08:40 <clusty> oki
08:40 <KathrynM> I had to reboot because I had to show a coworker how to run memtest of a kubuntu cd
08:41 <KathrynM> shoulda checked my uptime ;)
08:41 <clusty> :D
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09:56 <wdsmia_w> Its a feast of LHC wu's... too bad all my boxes are over committed or reached the quota
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10:16 <PovAddict> KathrynM: yeah I emailed DA to make him post :)
10:16 <PovAddict> on BS
10:26 <hawmps> lol - Gov. Elliot Putzer
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10:29 <wdsmia_w> strange additional dutys around here today... just unloaded and set-up a Roulette table
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10:37 <MTughan> I don't know how I ended up with two underscores on my nick...
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11:28 <MTughan> Damn... Einstein has surpassed RS in my RAC with the new app crunching...
11:29 <MTughan> E@H RAC went up 30 credits with one WU turned in and validated, and I've got two more pending... :D
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11:32 <zombie67> MTughan?
11:32 <Romulus> Rumor has it MTughan are you here, zombie67
11:33 <MTughan> Shut up Rommie.
11:33 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm here.
11:33 <zombie67> check this: http://mindmodeling.org/beta/forum_thread.php?id=86#469
11:34 <MTughan> Tell him to pass the GCC flag "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4"
11:35 <zombie67> he can do this on his leopard machine?
11:35 <MTughan> For the i686 app. The powerpc app should have -mmacosx-version-min=10.3, and the x86_64 (if any) should have -mmacosx-version-min=10.5.
11:35 <MTughan> Yeah, he can do that on his Leopard machine. How do you think I've been compiling TSP apps?
11:36 <PovAddict> :)
11:36 <zombie67> cool
11:36 <MTughan> 'lo Pov
11:36 <MTughan> The new AI WUs are either longer than before, or my app is inefficient.
11:37 <MTughan> Anyone running AI that can tell me how long it took on their machine?
11:37 <zombie67> and they blow up just as frequently.
11:37 <MTughan> Oh, I had one complete.
11:37 <zombie67> what kind of processor?
11:37 <MTughan> Core Duo.
11:37 <MTughan> Took just under 3h here.
11:38 <MTughan> Ow... 5.5h for 79% on my P4.
11:38 <zombie67> Here is a C2Q @ 3.0ghz: http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/results.php?hostid=902
11:38 <MTughan> And I've got 20 of 'em.
11:39 <MTughan> Dang... What OS is that?
11:39 <zombie67> XP32
11:39 <Romulus> Crashed again trying to use the heat boils watter into steam
11:39 <zombie67> Here is another C2Q @ 2.7ghz http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/results.php?hostid=905
11:39 <MTughan> &math convert 10286 seconds to hours
11:39 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.85722222222
11:40 <MTughan> That looks about on par with mine, actually...
11:40 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 58 minutes to hours] + 2
11:40 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.96666666667
11:40 <MTughan> Yeah.
11:41 <MTughan> &math convert 11221 seconds to hours
11:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.11694444444
11:41 <zombie67> wait
11:41 <zombie67> only the top result is with the new app. look at the dates
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11:41 <MTughan> Ah... I was wondering about that.
11:41 <zombie67> the new app was released on the 9th
11:42 <MTughan> &math convert 5468 seconds to hours
11:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.51888888889
11:42 <MTughan> Half the time...
11:42 <MTughan> &math convert 4950 seconds to hours
11:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.375
11:42 <MTughan> Yeah.
11:42 <zombie67> Here is a 3.2ghz Xeon with HT turned on (netburst): http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/results.php?hostid=900
11:43 <MTughan> &math convert 14860 seconds to hours
11:43 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.12777777778
11:43 <MTughan> That's still faster than my P4 2.8GHz with HT on...
11:43 <zombie67> here is 2.66 Xeon (Core 2 based): http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/results.php?hostid=903&offset=40
11:43 <MTughan> Just recently I told BOINC to just use one processor.
11:44 <MTughan> &math convert 5813 seconds to hours
11:44 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.61472222222
11:44 <MTughan> I don't know, maybe my app is slow.
11:44 <PovAddict> I have another feature request for a certain boinc manager >:)
11:44 <MTughan> lol, fire away.
11:44 <PovAddict> but I'll see if I can make a mockup in HTML or something first
11:45 <MTughan> K.
11:45 <PovAddict> it's for debt tweaking
11:45 <MTughan> Ah, nice...
11:50 <MTughan> Off to get some lunch... Should be back in a few minutes, so don't expect a reply right away when you're done, Pov.
11:54 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you remember if there was anything specific you'd like to see in the BOINC Manager I'm making?
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12:15 <zombie67> let's see, select all (for all pages), a select-all-except this one, an update all for the projects page.
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12:17 <MTughan> All right, I'll make sure those are in my requested features list.
12:17 <zombie67> hmmm, I can no longer select multiple items on the transfer page (osx 10.5.45)
12:17 <zombie67> THAT's annoying.
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12:18 <MTughan> PovAddict: Anything yet?
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12:31 <MTughan> Aiee... My BOINC Manager take 8.3% CPU when updating, while the official manager takes 0.2%...
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12:37 <MTughan> Hmm, seems to be my sorting routines...
12:43 <MTughan> Nope... They are only sorted when needed...
12:46 <Soul_keeper> how what !?!?
12:58 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Huh?
13:01 <Soul_keeper> nm
13:02 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166041 what do you think of that case ?
13:03 <MTughan> Interesting, but I don't know what I'd be looking for.
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13:23 <zombie67> he's at it again
13:42 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319
13:42 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The current temperature in Drake Neighborhood, Des Moines, Iowa is 45.5°F (12:41 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
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13:44 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50265
13:44 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.3°F (12:39 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling).
13:49 <zombie67> DA has officially asked stat sites to reduce credits
13:51 <PovAddict> where
13:51 <zombie67> I just sent you the email
13:52 <PovAddict> I tried to talk about it on #rieselsieve
13:52 <zombie67> asking the stat sites to adjust is WRONG. Some will, some won't. chaos
13:52 <PovAddict> but it morphed into personal attacks against david, no intelligent conversation
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13:54 <zombie67> If one applies a factor to reduce to match SETI, then why not also apply a factor to increase to match SETI? IOW, why not across the board for all projects?
13:54 <wdsmia_w> DA did it to himself with his band aid approch to fixing the credit problem years ago
13:55 <zombie67> At least one of the stat sites have said they will NOT be manipulating credits.
13:55 <wdsmia_w> good for them
13:55 <PovAddict> well, making stats sites reduce credits is a bad idea
13:55 <PovAddict> but RS admins won't cooperate either
13:56 <zombie67> there is no way that RS is 4.4x seti. I have run them both and I know. maybe 2x. Just shoes that cross-project comparison site is garbage data
13:56 <zombie67> shows
13:56 <PovAddict> does RS use perlboinc?
13:56 <zombie67> i think so
13:57 <zombie67> they leveraged PG setup
13:57 <PovAddict> there's a chance perlboinc has a buggy implementation when producing the data used by cpc sites
13:57 <PovAddict> damn rytis not on chat
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14:06 <Tank_Master> wb z
14:06 <zombie67> damn isp
14:07 <Tank_Master> v5.10.45 no longer shows any maeeages in the message tab
14:07 <Tank_Master> only errors for the projects it fails to connect to
14:07 <zombie67> I doubt that RS has a problem with stats that PG doesn't share
14:07 <PovAddict> it does for me Tank_Master
14:07 <zombie67> it does for me too
14:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: PG migrated to official code months ago
14:07 <Tank_Master> oh?
14:07 <Romulus> It has been said that oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master
14:08 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I see scheduler requests n stuff
14:08 <zombie67> ah
14:08 <Tank_Master> the only wans I see are if there is aHTTP error
14:08 <Tank_Master> like with pirates
14:09 <Tank_Master> ehh, oh well
14:47 <Romulus> Title: Bloonsworld! (at www.bloonsworld.com)
14:47 <MTughan> My Intel GMA950 can't, and an Intel 82945G Express running Vista can't either.
14:48 <MTughan> I doubt my Radeon 9600 would have a hope. The HD3650 might, but I want to see what now can.
14:48 <Tank_Master> I get about 10fps?
14:48 <Tank_Master> less just after I click it
14:49 <MTughan> Radeon gets about 1.5fps.
14:49 <Tank_Master> then its about .5-1fps, but shortly after it get better
14:49 <Tank_Master> I have a GeForce 8800 GT
14:49 <MTughan> 3 fps with all the explosions on the GMA950.
14:49 <Tank_Master> there isnt a FPS mark anywherem is there?
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14:50 <MTughan> Hmm, I would think an 8800GT would do better... No, there isn't.
14:50 <MTughan> I'm just measuring by my watch.
14:51 <Tank_Master> if I pop the top row, so its not all at once, it runs just fine
14:51 <MTughan> The Vista machine is slightly faster than the GMA950.
14:53 <MTughan> Oh, and it seems that getting an Intel machine may actually be cheaper than an AMD Phenom machine... Why?
14:54 <MTughan> Because my current CPU cooler won't fit an AM2 socket, so I'd need to get a new one. :D
14:54 <zombie67> smooth on my mac
14:54 <MTughan> But my current one supports LGA775.
14:54 <MTughan> What does the Mac have?
14:54 <Tank_Master> it depends on the lvl
14:54 <Tank_Master> some run better than others
14:54 <zombie67> RadeonX1900
14:54 <MTughan> I was just wondering about that level because of all the explosions.
14:54 <MTughan> zombie67: Duh, that was ATI's top of the line card not too long ago.
14:55 <zombie67> i am ignorant about graphixs
14:55 <MTughan> Or close to it... I think the x1950 was actually.
14:55 <MTughan> Top of the line for them right now is the HD3750 X2.
14:55 <zombie67> I think I have 1950 in one of my crunchers. used it for F@H, with the card OC
14:56 <MTughan> Oops... HD3870 X2.
14:56 <zombie67> TM: going to tell the team about DAs proclimation?
14:57 <zombie67> MW still down?
14:57 <MTughan> The reason that it's X2 is that it's actually two GPUs on one card.
14:57 <MTughan> Oh, and Nvidia makes a graphics card with 1.5GB GRAM. xD
14:58 <MTughan> The Quadro FX 5600.
14:59 <Tank_Master> good stuff
15:00 <Romulus> Title: NVIDIA Quadro FX 5500 SDI (at www.nvidia.com)
15:00 <MTughan> 3 slots!
15:00 <zombie67> DA also does not say if that factor should be applied retroactively, or just going forward. And completely ignores the issue of opt apps.
15:01 <Tank_Master> and 64bit apps
15:05 <MTughan> zombie67: First AI WUs turned in from the Mac. http://www.intelligencerealm.com/aisystem/results.php?hostid=708
15:08 <zombie67> Nice! What's a "Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1500 @ 2.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 14 Stepping 8]"
15:08 <zombie67> ?
15:08 <MTughan> Not really descriptive, is it? It's a 2.0GHz Core Duo.
15:09 <zombie67> I wonder if yoyo's use of PS3s with SPEs is making their numbers look worse on that comparison chart
15:09 <zombie67> ah
15:09 <MTughan> &any "yoyo[RKN]"
15:09 <MTughan> I thought it was earlier than that, but whatever...
15:10 <MTughan> &any yoyo_RKN
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15:19 <MTughan> PovAddict_: Know what mlt++/Mlt.h is?
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15:20 <zombie67> yoyo!
15:20 <zombie67> did you see the email from DA?
15:23 <MTughan> PovAddict_: Nvm, found it with a bit of digging.
15:28 <MTughan> Anyone can answer this question: a configure script is supposed to discover missing dependencies, right?
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15:54 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)
15:54 <PovAddict> that's a debt *viewer* for now
15:55 <MTughan> What the...
15:55 <PovAddict> graph at scale :)
15:55 <MTughan> Finally, another DepSpid task...
15:57 <MTughan> What does a negative number mean again?
15:57 <PovAddict> for starters, all debts summed give 0
15:57 <MTughan> Yep.
15:58 <PovAddict> projects with a negative long term debt will normally not get work
15:58 <Romulus> Their recent response is "not my call": http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=2691&nowrap=true#19057
15:58 <MTughan> So the debt is a representation of how much work is needed to even out the work for each project.
15:59 <MTughan> Positive debt, more work needed. Negative debt, less work needed (in a sense).
15:59 <PovAddict> crunching for a project lowers its debt
15:59 <xcamel_away> .45 is now the stable release for 'all platforms'
15:59 <PovAddict> which, due to the "all sum 0" correction, makes the other projects increase debt
15:59 <PovAddict> &windows
15:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_windows_intelx86.exe
16:00 <PovAddict> &linux
16:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.45_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
16:00 <PovAddict> &osx
16:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: "osx" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_macOSX_universal.zip
16:00 <PovAddict> hmm I thought I hadn't set it already...
16:01 <MTughan> I wish DepSpid made applications for more platforms...
16:04 <PovAddict> I tried using boinc_cmd --set_debts to change the debt of a project
16:04 <PovAddict> and refreshed my page
16:04 <PovAddict> seconds later refreshed it again, and indeed, numbers changed but distance between projects stayed the same
16:04 <PovAddict> that was the adjustment to make sum be 0
16:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: watch the page
16:08 <MTughan> K...
16:08 <PovAddict> I'll lower proteins debt
16:09 <PovAddict> there
16:09 <PovAddict> all the others should have moved
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16:09 <PovAddict> but note its debt is still a pretty round number
16:10 <PovAddict> whoops, not anymore :) client just did correction; the only text that *moved* was the midpoint
16:14 * xcamel_away is back.
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16:14 <xcamel> re-hi
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16:24 <xcamel> there... all .45 now
16:24 <xcamel> except @ w^%k
16:25 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay
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16:30 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
16:30 <xcamel> @ w&^k
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16:42 <nickuwo> 'ello BOINC
16:44 <xcamel> hey
16:44 <xcamel> bbiab
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17:18 <wdsmia> re-hi
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17:29 <MTughan> 'lo mw
17:35 <CoderForLife> hey
17:37 <mweltin> cfl hey, you ever get that LPCTRSWPDGGERND char * thing worked out?
17:41 <PovAddict> MTughan: see debt page
17:41 <PovAddict> that's how I would like the debt-tweaking interface, sort of :)
17:42 <CoderForLife> mweltin: yup - I think so
17:43 <mweltin> nice, how did you do it?
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17:47 <CoderForLife> I was calling GetDriveType() in my Code. That was #define'd to be GetDriveTypeW(LPCWSTR lpRootPathName), due to UNICODE being #define'd. I simply called GetDriveTypeA(LPCSTR lpRootPathName) which accepts a char *. Problem circumvented.
17:47 <PovAddict> I think it's an option on the MSVC GUI to disable UNICODE
17:47 <xcamel> back again
17:47 <CoderForLife> then many other things may break
17:47 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
17:48 <xcamel> 'lo Don
17:48 <mweltin> I'm seen that fix before but can't remember the context. Most likely it was a boinc thing as I don't do much windows programing otherwise.
17:49 <CoderForLife> For portabillity to various nationalized Windows versions, UNICODE is best,
17:50 <CoderForLife> So people in far off lands like South KathrynM can run it.
17:51 <CoderForLife> Well, I made promises today to use my Y2K scanner for Sarbanes-Oxley scanning, so I'd best get Cracking.
17:51 <CoderForLife> Cracking=fast Coding
17:52 * CoderForLife heads for the Couch =)
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17:54 <PovAddict> is a/(b+c) = a/b + a/c ? having a brainfart or two
17:56 <mweltin> no
17:56 <mweltin> wait
17:56 <xcamel> every time someone disables unicode, an angel loses it's wings...
17:56 <mweltin> no
17:56 <Romulus> "Your Modem need to downgrade the firmware first
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17:59 <mweltin> nickuwo1
18:00 <mweltin> !
18:02 <nickuwo> hey bud!
18:03 <nickuwo> what's the word
18:03 <mweltin> not much putting the finial touches on the assimilator.
18:03 <mweltin> got a little behind (as always)
18:05 <MTughan> PovAddict: I think mweltin answered already, but no. Think of a = 1, b = 2, c = 3.
18:05 <MTughan> 1/5 != 1/2 + 1/3
18:05 <PovAddict> I didn't bother trying
18:05 <PovAddict> or thinking
18:05 <PovAddict> slow brain
18:05 <mweltin> where do I associate a particular WU with a particular validator?
18:05 <MTughan> Reciprocals are equal though.
18:06 <MTughan> (b+c)/a = b/a + c/a
18:06 <PovAddict> mweltin: using a particular app
18:06 <nickuwo> I hear ya :). I'm having trobles w/ my work_generator... hopefully my CS teacher can work 'em out
18:06 <mweltin> PovAddict, for one of my dive tests I had to do simple math at 125'
18:06 <mweltin> very very hard.
18:06 <MTughan> lol
18:06 <mweltin> YOU CS teacher?!?!
18:06 <mweltin> whats wrong with you?
18:06 <nickuwo> I don't know c++
18:07 <mweltin> write it in C then
18:07 <nickuwo> I don't know c
18:07 <PovAddict> learn
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18:08 <nickuwo> two objects
18:08 <mweltin> some guy made huge performance increases in BF just by moving stuff around and one simple code update.
18:08 <nickuwo> arbitrary precision integers to be exact
18:08 <mweltin> got way better performance than Crunch3r did.
18:09 <MTughan> New apps then?
18:09 <mweltin> no BF is going away, I'm not going to but any more effort into it, unless it becomes part of a bigger algorihtm.
18:10 <mweltin> a lot of it was pre-calculation of the prefix (which I thought about but never fixed)
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18:10 <mweltin> and the rest was moving check point and percent done stuff out of one loop and in to another.
18:11 <mweltin> last time I listen to PovAddict (just kidding)
18:12 <mweltin> but honestly I forgot how to associate a WU with a particular Assimilator or Validator.
18:13 <PovAddict> validators and assimilators take an argument for app name
18:13 <mweltin> as does the WU, so I assume that is the connection?
18:14 <PovAddict> yep...
18:14 <mweltin> sweet
18:14 <mweltin> turns out the "timing" issue I was having is going to be harder to work out than I thought.
18:15 <mweltin> I need to run the DIMACS benchmark stuff as well. That will have to be a "hidden" app that everyone will have to run at least twice per bench mark.
18:16 <MTughan> Dinner time...
18:16 <mweltin> later
18:16 <mweltin> Oh MTughan one more thing?
18:16 <mweltin> you there MTughan ?
18:16 <mweltin> guess not
18:17 <nickuwo> mweltin, do you use any arbitrary precision integer libs?
18:17 <mweltin> not that I know of no.
18:18 <nickuwo> how do you keep track of which paths you've taken?
18:18 <mweltin> for what algorithm ?
18:18 <nickuwo> TSP
18:19 <nickuwo> or are there diff algortihms for that?
18:19 <mweltin> TSP has a BF, GA (almost needs fixing), and a ACO each does it different.
18:19 <nickuwo> are those on wikipedia?
18:19 <mweltin> BF is a sequence generator, it just generates paths in order, and tests them.
18:20 <mweltin> The GA uses an "Individual" object, and one of its memebers is the path.
18:21 <mweltin> I didn't write the ACO so I'm not sure how it does it, but I think it keeps an array of paths for each group of ants.
18:21 <mweltin> they are in wikippedia but not by those names.
18:21 <mweltin> BF = brute force (checking every possible answer)
18:21 <mweltin> GA = genetic algorithm
18:22 <mweltin> ACO = ant colony optimization
18:22 <nickuwo> hmm, I ask because our problems are similar in that they are both concerned with paths... although yours has to do with the length assoicaited w/ the path, and mine has to do with the type of path... perhaps ideas from your problem may be relevant to mine, and vice versa
18:23 <mweltin> both the GA and ACO have several different variations if you are curious just read up on the most basic version.
18:23 <Romulus> mac is a good thing because I created apps/aco
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18:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> never fear, Coder's here
18:24 <wdsmia> wb Don
18:24 <nickuwo> you programmed the GA?
18:24 <mweltin> nickuwo, do you use minimum spanning trees at all?
18:24 <mweltin> nickuwo, yes
18:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> hi Doug - thx
18:24 <nickuwo> I'm not familir w/ that term
18:24 <mweltin> cfl nice to see you again.
18:24 * CoderOnTheCouch looks around for the camera
18:25 <mweltin> nickuwo, its the opposite of what I'm doing. I'm looking for something that hits every vertex, while a MSP hits ever edge without making a cycle
18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> thx mweltin
18:25 <xcamel> eye spy
18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> maybe it's inside the TV
18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> it's watching me as I watch it
18:26 <wdsmia> lol
18:26 * mweltin optical implant
18:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> The Universe is on tonight - topic is colonization
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18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> mweltin must be a Borg
18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> I didn't know he was Swedish
18:29 <nickuwo> I dig graph theory.
18:31 <CoderOnTheCouch> then you need to learn about spanning trees
18:32 <mweltin> cfl I'm Swiss not Swedish
18:33 <xcamel> er a swissdish
18:34 <mweltin> xcamel, you are thinking of SwissMiss the hot chocolate mix.
18:35 <mweltin> easy to do I mix up my land of orgin with a hot beverages all the time.
18:37 <MTughan> Uh... Seems I didn't miss too much while at dinner.
18:38 <MTughan> mweltin: What were you wanting?
18:38 <mweltin> My GF's mac won't start if the shuffle is plugged in, have you heard of that?
18:39 <MTughan> Possibly. It may be trying to start from the Shuffle.
18:39 <PovAddict> I had that happen on Windows
18:39 <PovAddict> tries to use the iPod as a boot drive :)
18:39 <mweltin> HAHAAH
18:39 <mweltin> thanks
18:40 <mweltin> my GF was freaking out and almost in tears this morning, she came in to wake me up because she was so furstrated.
18:41 <MTughan> Just hold down the Option key when it starts up to select the boot device.
18:41 <mweltin> I told her to take a shower and I'd see what I could do. I unplugged everything and it booted fine. I now the Mac Daddy!
18:42 <MTughan> lol
18:43 <MTughan> I love the green nuts... ;)
18:43 <nickuwo> when you use cout << x in C++ is that still the bitwise operator?
18:44 <MTughan> No. It's a stream operator.
18:44 <nickuwo> ok
18:46 <nickuwo> so this output function is defined like ostream& operator<< (ostream& stream, mpz_t op) would I use that like cout << mpz_t_name; ?
18:46 <MTughan> Yes./
18:47 <mweltin> wtf is mpz_t ?
18:47 <nickuwo> wrapper for arbtrary precision lib
18:47 <mweltin> HAHAAHAHA sweet
18:47 <nickuwo> fuckin a
18:47 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
18:48 <MTughan> lol
18:48 <mweltin> classic
18:52 <nickuwo> coulda sworn that didn't work yesterday :)
18:58 <xcamel> children..
19:05 <xcamel> &weather 12074
19:05 <Romulus> xcamel: The current temperature in West Side Galway, Galway, New York is 34.3°F (6:59 PM EDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
19:08 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
19:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.9°F (6:05 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 28.90 in 978.6 hPa (Falling).
19:08 <nickuwo> ofstream outFile; outFile(path, ios::out); error: no mathc for call to '(std::ofstream) (char , const std::_Ios_Openmode&)' should I not be using ofstream?
19:09 <CoderForLife> what's the distance between West Side Galway and East Side Galway?
19:11 <nickuwo> nm
19:11 <xcamel> 3 miles
19:11 * CoderForLife submerges again
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19:16 <PovAddict> o/ KathrynM
19:17 <KathrynM> hiya
19:17 <KathrynM> I see DA's finally flipped his lid
19:17 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)
19:17 <nickuwo> my work_generator creates one input file and a wu, and then stops :(...
19:17 <KathrynM> whoa
19:17 <KathrynM> nifty
19:18 <PovAddict> now showing actual debt value too
19:19 <PovAddict> it was an idea for a debt *editor* - try dragging projects :)
19:19 <KathrynM> I did
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19:27 <nickuwo> oh snap, my work_generator's work_generatin'
19:27 <nickuwo> and mweltin thought I had to have my CS teacher do it for me :)
19:27 <mweltin> no I didn't
19:27 <nickuwo> I know, it was a joke :)
19:27 <nickuwo> I thought that
19:27 <mweltin> hahaha
19:28 <Romulus> waves an Amazon Kindle
19:28 <KathrynM> congrats nickuwo
19:28 <nickuwo> thx... it doesn't seem to be stopping though ...
19:28 * KathrynM waves a large powerful magnet in Romulus' direction
19:28 <KathrynM> small details
19:28 <PovAddict> KathrynM: aim at the hard disk
19:28 <PovAddict> oh wait, xcamel will kill you :)
19:29 <mweltin> nickuwo, is it in your config file as a task?
19:29 <mweltin> KathrynM, do it doit doit do it now.
19:29 <KathrynM> :)
19:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia
19:31 <nickuwo> yes
19:31 *** wdsmia sets mode: +o Romulus
19:31 *** Romulus sets mode: -o wdsmia
19:31 <MTughan> &roulette
19:31 <Romulus> MTughan: *click*
19:32 <PovAddict> &roulette
19:32 *** PovAddict was kicked by Romulus (BANG!)
19:32 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.
19:32 <MTughan> rofl... xD
19:32 <nickuwo> hmm, create work can't find my result template
19:32 <MTughan> Anyway, I have to be off for a bit.
19:32 <Tank_Master> th MTughan
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19:32 <Tank_Master> tc*
19:32 <mweltin> later MTughan
19:33 <KathrynM> eek
19:33 <PovsCorpse> meh
19:33 <KathrynM> poor PovsCorpse
19:33 <mweltin> nickuwo, are you using create_work script in the bin dir?
19:33 <nickuwo> yes
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19:33 <mweltin> from a task in your config.xml file?
19:34 <mweltin> or just by hand?
19:35 <nickuwo> my work_gen is in config.xml and it calls create_work in bin
19:35 <mweltin> ok so that is run out of tmp_HOSTNAME
19:35 <mweltin> so you may need ../templates/templatefilename
19:36 <nickuwo> yea... I got that, perhaps create_work is still using my result file, and that's why it can't access it? It is creating wus linked to my result file, according to phpmyadmin
19:36 <PovAddict> "In 2007, the words 'Internet security' joined the ever-growing list of self-canceling phrases, alongside 'business intelligence', 'Congressional ethics', and 'Microsoft Works'."
19:37 <nickuwo> hah
19:37 <nickuwo> hmm
19:37 <nickuwo> actually it isn't creating wus
19:37 <nickuwo> just input files
19:37 <PovAddict> create_work takes milliseconds...
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19:37 <nickuwo> i c
19:38 <PovAddict> well, depends on your database load :)
19:38 <Romulus> I'm just an exponential release of the employees.
19:38 <nickuwo> when I
19:39 <nickuwo> 'm'm calling create_work in my prog, I'm passing a ~, is that kosher?
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19:42 <nickuwo> another slightly related question, if I'm generating input files with diff names, will my wrapped prog still open them?
19:42 <mweltin> shoudl be but try and absolute path just to be sure.
19:42 <nickuwo> ok
19:42 <mweltin> that is what cp file bin/dir_heir_path file takes care of.
19:43 <nickuwo> awesome
19:43 <mweltin> wu template should refer to the logical name, and dir_heir should refer to the physical name
19:43 <mweltin> then BOINC keeps track of everything else.
19:44 <mweltin> there are some boinc api functions that you can use to get the file names from.
19:44 <PovAddict_> he's using the wrapper
19:44 <Soul_keeper> "the cruelist ironies are those consecrated by the passage of time" --skully x-files
19:44 <mweltin> yeah
19:44 <mweltin> its still the same deal.
19:44 <mweltin> I'm using the wrapper as well.
19:45 <mweltin> isn't it?
19:45 <PovAddict_> well, you can't call API functions :)
19:45 <PovAddict_> if you use a wrapper, it's because you can't change the worker app to call resolve_filename
19:45 <mweltin> in the assimilator and validator
19:45 <mweltin> is what I meant.
19:45 <PovAddict_> oic
19:46 <xcamel> Spitzer may have spent big on call girls -- perhaps as much as $80,000
19:46 <mweltin> or just one BIG call girl
19:47 <efc> I'm waiting for the pics of the girls! That one sounds pretty hot
19:47 <mweltin> so what happened there, I didn't hear anything here in AS about it.
19:47 <xcamel> number 9, number 9, number 9, ...
19:47 <mweltin> so YOU are the wallrus xcamel
19:47 <xcamel> gov of NY busted in high priced call girl sting..
19:48 <nickuwo> ok, it's finding the result file, but now it's creating wus like mad... doesn't seem to know how many there are...
19:48 <mweltin> tax payer money or his own?
19:48 <xcamel> dunno yet
19:48 <efc> they seem to think it was laundered somehow, still could have been his own money though
19:48 <xcamel> I have a good guess though...
19:48 <mweltin> nickuwo, you can do a db query to find the number of pending results and base how many to create on that.
19:49 <xcamel> yup through a shell company
19:49 <mweltin> you can download my source code to see how I did that.
19:49 <xcamel> $1000/hr
19:49 <mweltin> both the BF and GA workgenerators use that technique.
19:49 <efc> I think billing increments of 5 minutes would be much more economical
19:49 <nickuwo> I'm using the sample_generator code... looks like it's already in there but something must be broken... prolly querying the wrong db or sumthin
19:50 <mweltin> 1k/hr that better be one great girl, or was he buying privacy?
19:50 <xcamel> he's finished...
19:50 <mweltin> hahahaha
19:50 <xcamel> probably resign tomorrow
19:50 <xcamel> 'plea bargaining' all day today
19:50 <mweltin> well if it was tax payer money that is a good thing, if it was his money, who cares.
19:51 <PovAddict_> I agree with efc
19:51 <PovAddict_> <efc> I'm waiting for the pics of the girls! That one sounds pretty hot
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19:51 <xcamel> he was the atty general - for 8 years - and viciously went after call girl rings
19:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o Romulus
19:51 <Romulus> damn you xp / linux wonnabees
19:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia
19:51 <efc> sounds like my dream wife, other than the call girl partt
19:52 <xcamel> and everyone else, for that matter..
19:53 <KathrynM> *sigh*
19:53 <KathrynM> it's really hard for cron to run a script out of ~/bin when it's actually in /usr/local/bin
19:54 <KathrynM> at least it was nothing important
19:54 <PovAddict> when your hard disk crashes, you'll notice the cronjob doing backups hasn't worked for a year :)
19:54 <PovAddict> ask Murphy
19:54 <mweltin> HAHA
19:55 <KathrynM> which is why I backup manually until I figure out how rsync and cron work
19:55 <PovAddict> rsync rocks
19:55 * KathrynM should figure that out this weekend.....
19:55 * KathrynM should do a lot of things that never seem to get done
19:56 <KathrynM> oh well. time to get ready to go to the germ factory
19:57 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
19:59 <wdsmia> bbiab
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20:09 <mweltin> Darn! validator is failing
20:10 <nickuwo> mweltin, would you mind if I looked at your work generator?
20:11 <mweltin> no download the whole thing if you want.
20:11 <mweltin> there is a link on my page to get the source via svn.
20:11 <mweltin> I assume you have svn as you get the boinc source.
20:11 <nickuwo> yea :), thx
20:11 <nickuwo> whats yer page again?
20:12 <mweltin> bob.myisland.as/tsp
20:12 <PovAddict_> easier way:
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20:12 <Romulus> Title: WebSVN - tsp - Rev 90 - /tsp/trunk/ (at svn.origo.ethz.ch)
20:12 <nickuwo> sweet
20:15 <mweltin> hahaha forgot the RNG seed as an argument, no wonder none of the WU's would validate.
20:15 <PovAddict> so was it using a random seed?
20:17 <nickuwo> I got a PROPFIND request failed
20:17 <Romulus> Hmm, someone should check the "slot" dir for the team caption, eith edit it manually, or have them *accumulate*
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20:24 <mweltin> it was using a random seed based on the time.
20:24 <mweltin> not a user supplied rng seed.
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20:25 <mweltin> crap, "wu exited with xero status but no 'finished' file.
20:26 <mweltin> crap
20:26 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmm
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20:43 <Tank_Master> wb wdsmia
20:48 <CoderForLife> ack
20:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> vc++ keeps setting the Debug folder to read-only, and then complains it can't update the project database file in that folder
20:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> duh
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21:03 <FreeLarry58> morning all
21:03 <wdsmia> *lo larry
21:03 <FreeLarry58> &seen PovAddict
21:03 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 48 minutes and 0 seconds ago: <PovAddict> so was it using a random seed?
21:04 <FreeLarry58> morn wdsmia
21:04 <PovAddict_> ugh what now
21:04 <PovAddict_> lol
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21:04 <xcamel> 'lo Larry
21:04 <FreeLarry58> in linux what does screen do?
21:04 <xcamel> detach and crash.
21:05 <FreeLarry58> lo xcamel -- detach and crash? might explain why boinc having hard time reporting wu's on that machine then
21:05 <xcamel> in a console window type 'man screen'
21:05 <FreeLarry58> such as putty?
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21:16 <PovAddict> &linux
21:16 <Romulus> Rumor has it linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict
21:17 <PovAddict> AGH
21:17 <PovAddict> &factoids linux
21:17 <Romulus> No idea!
21:17 <PovAddict> &list factoids
21:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
21:17 <PovAddict> &whatis linux
21:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.45_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
21:17 <PovAddict> xcamel could you get rid of the Infobot plugin...?
21:18 <PovAddict> linux?
21:18 <Romulus> hmm... linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict
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21:18 <PovAddict> that's annoying
21:18 <Tank_Master> wb mw
21:19 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master and PovAddict
21:21 <xcamel> PoV - for the eleventeenth time, no.
21:22 <PovAddict> I don't recall you saying that before
21:22 <PovAddict> and note we now lost the &linux factoid, because that useless infobot thingy has precedence
21:22 <xcamel> faulty memory on your part then.
21:24 <PovAddict> I don't see the use of infobot
21:25 <PovAddict> just catches random stuff from the channel and has no way to delete individual quotes
21:25 <PovAddict> which then reappear when least expected, like when just typing "linux?"
21:25 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: boinc upgraded
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21:28 <mweltin> what would cause a validator to crash constantly.
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21:28 <PovAddict> a crashing bug :)
21:29 <mweltin> it keeps trying to check for a canonical result for a wu that had been cancled
21:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
21:31 <mweltin> could you give that the once over PovAddict ?
21:32 <PovAddict> and after that it crashes?
21:32 <FreeLarry58> thanks PovAddict
21:33 <mweltin> the cron job launches it again and thats all I get in the log file.
21:33 <PovAddict> run it manually, under a debugger
21:35 <mweltin> ahh derefs some null pointer.
21:35 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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21:41 <mweltin> opps didn't add the -g on my validator
21:43 <mweltin> the backtrace makes no mention of files I wrote.
21:43 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
21:44 <Soul_keeper> found receipts from 1992 under my truck seat ...
21:44 <Soul_keeper> $4.34 of oxidized change
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21:47 <xcamel> hole-in-pocket
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21:56 <nickuwo1> how would you communicate % done thru the wrapper?
21:56 <mweltin> I don't think you can.
21:56 <mweltin> if you had several tasks defined in the job.xml file
21:57 <mweltin> you could do that, but not within the worker.
21:57 <nickuwo1> bummer
21:57 <nickuwo1> I have to learn the API
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21:58 <PovAddict> and not use the wrapper
21:58 <nickuwo1> yes
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21:58 <mweltin> haha
21:58 <nickuwo> it doesn't look all that difficult :)
21:59 <xcamel> laterz..
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21:59 <nickuwo> maybe someone will write a C# interface
21:59 <mweltin> HAHAHAAHAHA
21:59 <mweltin> classic
22:00 <PovAddict> or not
22:00 <PovAddict> .net eww
22:00 <mweltin> maybe someone will write one in qbasic
22:00 <nickuwo> hmm
22:01 <mweltin> my DATA structures are not getting to compare_results function.
22:02 <mweltin> but they are getting a value correctly in init_result.
22:03 <mweltin> compare_results (r1=@0x4081e008, _data1=0x0, r2=@0x4084e3b0, _data2=0x0
22:03 <mweltin> not sure what to do about that, any suggestions PovAddict ?
22:08 <mweltin> I think it got it
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22:12 * CoderForLife call it a Coding night
22:12 <CoderForLife> that's it for me
22:12 <wdsmia> cya
22:12 * CoderForLife leaves the room, leaving his IDE open
22:13 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm with him
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22:15 <Tank_Master> gn CFL
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23:09 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:12:27)
23:10 <PovAddict> hey KathrynM
23:10 <KathrynM> heya PovAddict
23:10 <PovAddict> discussin credits
23:10 <KathrynM> I'm trying to decide whether it's better to get involved or not.
23:11 <PovAddict> do you happen to have some sanity left?
23:11 <KathrynM> very little
23:11 <PovAddict> don't worry, you won't lose it; you just need some left to understand this :)
23:11 <KathrynM> oh :)
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23:13 <PovAddict_> I think I missed your reply/es
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23:13 <KathrynM> <PovAddict> do you happen to have some sanity left?
23:13 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> very little
23:14 <KathrynM> *boom*
23:15 <PovAddict> eww
23:16 <PovAddict> there's brains everywhere now
23:16 <KathrynM> xactly
23:37 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
23:48 <Tank_Master> man, I really hate split CPIDs
23:48 <Tank_Master> Im glad I never had a problem on my own comp
23:49 <Tank_Master> err account