IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-03-11

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04:20 <CoderForLife> morning any and all

04:22 <efc> moo

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04:32 <CoderForLife> moo

04:32 <CoderForLife> was reading the news

04:32 <CoderForLife> nooews

04:33 <efc> 32" RC telescope for sale, if you have $275k to spare

04:40 * CoderForLife checks his pockets

04:40 <CoderForLife> nope, sorry

04:41 <CoderForLife> I'll have to have Spitzer send you the cash

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04:51 <efc> When I heard that and about who they caught him with I was thinking ... do they take Mastercard ...

04:51 <CoderForLife> he could have written a check like Jerry Springer did

04:52 <mweltin> sounds like I missed a good conversation, or a bad one./

04:53 <efc> "5'5 very pretty brunette"

04:53 <CoderForLife> on another topic, life was more simple before C strings went to multi-byte and wide characters

04:54 <mweltin> and life was even simpler when all we had were rocks to bang together.

04:54 * CoderForLife tries to figure out how to get from "char *" to "LPCWSTR"

04:55 <CoderForLife> 'tain't easy, it appears

04:56 <mweltin> I try not to thing about stuff like that.

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04:56 <efc> could probably grab every other byte, for quick and dirty (I have never done this)

04:59 <CoderForLife> maybe this CT2CW macro has promise

05:02 <CoderForLife> but first - breakfast

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05:10 <CoderForLife> b

05:10 <mweltin> fast

05:10 <CoderForLife> eating right here

05:11 <CoderForLife> I'll politely type with my mouth closed

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05:13 <CoderForLife> looks like flight17 has departed the gate

05:20 <CoderForLife> apparently my answer lies somewhere in here:

05:20 <Romulus> <> (at

05:25 <CoderForLife> programming in C used to be so easy, before Microsoft got ahold of it and transmogrified it

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05:30 <mweltin> you can always use straight C, it will at least compile.

05:31 <mweltin> mingw, cygwin, enven MSVS will do it

05:31 <mweltin> even*

05:32 <mweltin> I get a ton of warnings about it, depricated stuff like fopen and alike, but it builds.

05:37 <CoderForLife> I appreciate that, but I need to call "GetDriveType(LPCTSTR lpRootPathName);", and it won't accept my "char *" as a parm.

05:38 <CoderForLife> hmm - that says LPCTSTR and I was asking LPCWSTR

05:38 <mweltin> I'm sorry, obviously you tried a cast

05:38 <CoderForLife> casting from single byte to double byte is trouble

05:39 <mweltin> do tell, why?

05:39 <mweltin> as you can tell I don't do much windows, and by much I mean none except for boinc stuff.

05:40 <CoderForLife> because it's not just an alternate way to access the same data, the data itself needs to be changed

05:41 <CoderForLife> well - I must be off to work

05:41 <CoderForLife> er w@#%

05:42 <mweltin> ok, so can you write a small macro, or function that will convert a char * to what you need.

05:42 <mweltin> ok

05:42 <mweltin> thanks for the lesson.

05:42 <CoderForLife> there are apparently built-in macros, as I discovered this morning

05:43 <CoderForLife> laterzz

05:44 <mweltin> later

05:48 * KathrynM is back (gone 06:10:56)

05:48 <mweltin> hey KathrynM

05:48 <KathrynM> mweltin!

05:48 <KathrynM> hiya

05:48 <mweltin> how is life?

05:48 <KathrynM> busy

05:49 <mweltin> the kids?

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05:49 <KathrynM> uh huh

05:49 <xcamel_away> boo

05:49 <KathrynM> just got out of a 45 minute meeting

05:49 <mweltin> xcamel hi

05:49 <KathrynM> on top of a 9-6 work day

05:50 <mweltin> folks often have two-three hour meetings

05:50 <mweltin> its a pain in the ass

05:50 <mweltin> nothing gets done.

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05:50 <KathrynM> yeah same here.  but at least it was over in 45 minutes

05:50 <KathrynM> now i'm cleaning out the gp cage.

05:50 <KathrynM> how can such a little rodent crap so much

05:50 <mweltin> count your blessings

06:00 <mweltin> you can stop feeding it but taht wouldn't be very nice

06:01 <mweltin> maybe you can put it on one of those crazy diets like pure sugar or something.

06:01 <KathrynM> lol

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06:24 <hawmps> mornin..

06:25 <KathrynM> evenin'

06:26 <CoderForLife> goin' out the door - hello and goodbye

06:34 <wdsmia> yawn mornin all

06:37 <hawmps> yawn indeed

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07:39 <KathrynM> holy cow.  DA posted on BOINC Stats

07:39 <KathrynM>

07:39 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:00 <hawmps> lol

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08:11 <KathrynM> yo PovAddict, you around?

08:21 <KathrynM> yo clusty, you around?

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08:33 <clusty> KathrynM, hey

08:33 <KathrynM> hey, can your figure out what I'm doing wrong here?

08:34 <clusty> where?

08:34 <clusty> :D

08:34 <KathrynM> I'm trying to change the owner of a directory.

08:34 <KathrynM> From root:root to kathryn:Kathryn (yes the case is correct)

08:34 <clusty> sudo chown -R <user> <direct>

08:34 <KathrynM> I'm doing chown -R kathryn:Kathryn /Vista

08:34 <clusty> ouch

08:35 <clusty> is the /vista moubnterd

08:35 <KathrynM> yeah yeah yeah

08:35 <clusty> mounted?

08:35 * KathrynM smacks self in the head

08:35 <KathrynM> yes

08:35 <clusty> well you can't

08:35 <KathrynM> *sigh*

08:35 <clusty> you gotta mount with the good permissions

08:35 <KathrynM> I knew it had to be something stupid like that

08:35 <clusty> in fstab

08:36 <KathrynM> It is in fstab

08:36 <clusty> is it a read/write permissions issue?

08:36 <KathrynM> hold on

08:36 <clusty> what are you trying to do?

08:36 <KathrynM> changed ownership of `/Vista/wx' to kathryn:Kathryn

08:36 <KathrynM> changed ownership of `/Vista' to kathryn:Kathryn

08:36 <KathrynM> those are the last two lines after running it with a v flag

08:36 <KathrynM> the entire contents of /Vista scrolled by like that

08:36 <KathrynM> but when I do ls -l

08:36 <KathrynM> it's still owned root:root

08:36 <KathrynM> do I have to change it in fstab too?

08:36 <clusty> vfat does not support funny permissions

08:36 <clusty> wait

08:37 <KathrynM> it's ntsf

08:37 <clusty> what do you want to do exactly?

08:37 <KathrynM> have it owned by me

08:37 <KathrynM> so that when I mount it, I don't have to su first

08:37 <Romulus> can I attache to the states I can try sun-n-fun or come up this way to put it all the CPU

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08:37 <KathrynM> it's a pain in the butt

08:37 <clusty> better keep it on root

08:37 <KathrynM> why?

08:37 <clusty> and you get full permissions

08:37 <clusty> cause its easier

08:37 <KathrynM> lol

08:37 <KathrynM> I did chmod it to 777

08:38 <clusty> wont help

08:38 <KathrynM> but I thought life would be easier if I owned it

08:38 <KathrynM> not a biggie.

08:38 <clusty> what driver so you use to mount it?

08:38 <KathrynM> I mount it after I boot

08:38 <KathrynM> huh?

08:38 <clusty> the good old ntfs thing?

08:38 <KathrynM> beats the crap out of me

08:38 <KathrynM> I'll leave it as is and not worry about it

08:38 <clusty> anyways

08:39 <KathrynM> I just would have expected some sort of error

08:39 <KathrynM> but it says it's changing everything but it doesn't.

08:39 <clusty> you want to change the 3rd field

08:39 <clusty> and say something like: defaults,users

08:40 <KathrynM> in fstab?

08:40 <clusty> yes

08:40 <clusty> try to see if it works

08:40 <KathrynM> it's too late to deal with that

08:40 <KathrynM> I'll fool iwth it this weekend

08:40 <clusty> oki

08:40 <KathrynM> I had to reboot because I had to show a coworker how to run memtest of a kubuntu cd

08:41 <KathrynM> shoulda checked my uptime ;)

08:41 <clusty> :D

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09:56 <wdsmia_w> Its a feast of LHC wu's... too bad all my boxes are over committed or reached the quota

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10:16 <PovAddict> KathrynM: yeah I emailed DA to make him post :)

10:16 <PovAddict> on BS

10:26 <hawmps> lol - Gov. Elliot Putzer

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10:29 <wdsmia_w> strange additional dutys around here today... just unloaded and set-up a Roulette table

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10:37 <MTughan> I don't know how I ended up with two underscores on my nick...

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11:28 <MTughan> Damn... Einstein has surpassed RS in my RAC with the new app crunching...

11:29 <MTughan> E@H RAC went up 30 credits with one WU turned in and validated, and I've got two more pending... :D

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11:32 <zombie67> MTughan?

11:32 <Romulus> Rumor has it MTughan are you here, zombie67

11:33 <MTughan> Shut up Rommie.

11:33 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm here.

11:33 <zombie67> check this:

11:33 <Romulus> <> (at

11:34 <MTughan> Tell him to pass the GCC flag "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4"

11:35 <zombie67> he can do this on his leopard machine?

11:35 <MTughan> For the i686 app. The powerpc app should have -mmacosx-version-min=10.3, and the x86_64 (if any) should have -mmacosx-version-min=10.5.

11:35 <MTughan> Yeah, he can do that on his Leopard machine. How do you think I've been compiling TSP apps?

11:36 <PovAddict> :)

11:36 <zombie67> cool

11:36 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

11:36 <MTughan> The new AI WUs are either longer than before, or my app is inefficient.

11:37 <MTughan> Anyone running AI that can tell me how long it took on their machine?

11:37 <zombie67> and they blow up just as frequently.

11:37 <MTughan> Oh, I had one complete.

11:37 <zombie67> what kind of processor?

11:37 <MTughan> Core Duo.

11:37 <MTughan> Took just under 3h here.

11:38 <MTughan> Ow... 5.5h for 79% on my P4.

11:38 <zombie67> Here is a C2Q @ 3.0ghz:

11:38 <Romulus> <> (at

11:38 <MTughan> And I've got 20 of 'em.

11:39 <MTughan> Dang... What OS is that?

11:39 <zombie67> XP32

11:39 <Romulus> Crashed again trying to use the heat boils watter into steam

11:39 <zombie67> Here is another C2Q @ 2.7ghz

11:39 <Romulus> <> (at

11:39 <MTughan> &math convert 10286 seconds to hours

11:39 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.85722222222

11:40 <MTughan> That looks about on par with mine, actually...

11:40 <MTughan> &math calc [math convert 58 minutes to hours] + 2

11:40 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.96666666667

11:40 <MTughan> Yeah.

11:41 <MTughan> &math convert 11221 seconds to hours

11:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.11694444444

11:41 <zombie67> wait

11:41 <zombie67> only the top result is with the new app.  look at the dates

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11:41 <MTughan> Ah... I was wondering about that.

11:41 <zombie67> the new app was released on the 9th

11:42 <MTughan> &math convert 5468 seconds to hours

11:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.51888888889

11:42 <MTughan> Half the time...

11:42 <MTughan> &math convert 4950 seconds to hours

11:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.375

11:42 <MTughan> Yeah.

11:42 <zombie67> Here is a 3.2ghz Xeon with HT turned on (netburst):

11:42 <Romulus> <> (at

11:43 <MTughan> &math convert 14860 seconds to hours

11:43 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.12777777778

11:43 <MTughan> That's still faster than my P4 2.8GHz with HT on...

11:43 <zombie67> here is 2.66 Xeon (Core 2 based):

11:43 <Romulus> <> (at

11:43 <MTughan> Just recently I told BOINC to just use one processor.

11:44 <MTughan> &math convert 5813 seconds to hours

11:44 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.61472222222

11:44 <MTughan> I don't know, maybe my app is slow.

11:44 <PovAddict> I have another feature request for a certain boinc manager >:)

11:44 <MTughan> lol, fire away.

11:44 <PovAddict> but I'll see if I can make a mockup in HTML or something first

11:45 <MTughan> K.

11:45 <PovAddict> it's for debt tweaking

11:45 <MTughan> Ah, nice...

11:50 <MTughan> Off to get some lunch... Should be back in a few minutes, so don't expect a reply right away when you're done, Pov.

11:54 <MTughan> zombie67: Do you remember if there was anything specific you'd like to see in the BOINC Manager I'm making?

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12:15 <zombie67> let's see, select all (for all pages), a select-all-except this one, an update all for the projects page.

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12:17 <MTughan> All right, I'll make sure those are in my requested features list.

12:17 <zombie67> hmmm, I can no longer select multiple items on the transfer page (osx 10.5.45)

12:17 <zombie67> THAT's annoying.

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12:18 <MTughan> PovAddict: Anything yet?

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12:31 <MTughan> Aiee... My BOINC Manager take 8.3% CPU when updating, while the official manager takes 0.2%...

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12:37 <MTughan> Hmm, seems to be my sorting routines...

12:43 <MTughan> Nope... They are only sorted when needed...

12:46 <Soul_keeper> how what !?!?

12:58 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Huh?

13:00 <MTughan>

13:00 <Romulus> <> (at

13:01 <Soul_keeper> nm

13:02 <Soul_keeper>    what do you think of that case ?

13:02 <Romulus> <> (at

13:03 <MTughan> Interesting, but I don't know what I'd be looking for.

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13:23 <zombie67> he's at it again

13:42 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319

13:42 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The current temperature in Drake Neighborhood, Des Moines, Iowa is 45.5F (12:41 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 32.0F. Windchill: 41.0F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).

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13:44 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50265

13:44 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 47.3F (12:39 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 30.2F. Windchill: 42.8F. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling).

13:49 <zombie67> DA has officially asked stat sites to reduce credits

13:51 <PovAddict> where

13:51 <zombie67> I just sent you the email

13:52 <PovAddict> I tried to talk about it on #rieselsieve

13:52 <zombie67> asking the stat sites to adjust is WRONG.  Some will, some won't.  chaos

13:52 <PovAddict> but it morphed into personal attacks against david, no intelligent conversation

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13:54 <zombie67> If one applies a factor to reduce to match SETI, then why not also apply a factor to increase to match SETI?  IOW, why not across the board for all projects?

13:54 <wdsmia_w> DA did it to himself with his band aid approch to fixing the credit problem years ago

13:55 <zombie67> At least one of the stat sites have said they will NOT be manipulating credits.

13:55 <wdsmia_w> good for them

13:55 <PovAddict> well, making stats sites reduce credits is a bad idea

13:55 <PovAddict> but RS admins won't cooperate either

13:56 <zombie67> there is no way that RS is 4.4x seti.  I have run them both and I know.  maybe 2x.  Just shoes that cross-project comparison site is garbage data

13:56 <zombie67> shows

13:56 <PovAddict> does RS use perlboinc?

13:56 <zombie67> i think so

13:57 <zombie67> they leveraged PG setup

13:57 <PovAddict> there's a chance perlboinc has a buggy implementation when producing the data used by cpc sites

13:57 <PovAddict> damn rytis not on chat

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14:06 <Tank_Master> wb z

14:06 <zombie67> damn isp

14:07 <Tank_Master> v5.10.45 no longer shows any maeeages in the message tab

14:07 <Tank_Master> only errors for the projects it fails to connect to

14:07 <zombie67> I doubt that RS has a problem with stats that PG doesn't share

14:07 <PovAddict> it does for me Tank_Master

14:07 <zombie67> it does for me too

14:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: PG migrated to official code months ago

14:07 <Tank_Master> oh?

14:07 <Romulus> It has been said that oh is it like SocialBorg, Tank_Master

14:08 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I see scheduler requests n stuff

14:08 <zombie67> ah

14:08 <Tank_Master> the only wans I see are if there is aHTTP error

14:08 <Tank_Master> like with pirates

14:09 <Tank_Master> ehh, oh well

14:47 <MTughan> Can anyone's computer render this smoothly?

14:47 <Romulus> Title: Bloonsworld! (at

14:47 <MTughan> My Intel GMA950 can't, and an Intel 82945G Express running Vista can't either.

14:48 <MTughan> I doubt my Radeon 9600 would have a hope. The HD3650 might, but I want to see what now can.

14:48 <Tank_Master> I get about 10fps?

14:48 <Tank_Master> less just after I click it

14:49 <MTughan> Radeon gets about 1.5fps.

14:49 <Tank_Master> then its about .5-1fps, but shortly after it get better

14:49 <Tank_Master> I have a GeForce 8800 GT

14:49 <MTughan> 3 fps with all the explosions on the GMA950.

14:49 <Tank_Master> there isnt a FPS mark anywherem is there?

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14:50 <MTughan> Hmm, I would think an 8800GT would do better... No, there isn't.

14:50 <MTughan> I'm just measuring by my watch.

14:51 <Tank_Master> if I pop the top row, so its not all at once, it runs just fine

14:51 <MTughan> The Vista machine is slightly faster than the GMA950.

14:53 <MTughan> Oh, and it seems that getting an Intel machine may actually be cheaper than an AMD Phenom machine... Why?

14:54 <MTughan> Because my current CPU cooler won't fit an AM2 socket, so I'd need to get a new one. :D

14:54 <zombie67> smooth on my mac

14:54 <MTughan> But my current one supports LGA775.

14:54 <MTughan> What does the Mac have?

14:54 <Tank_Master> it depends on the lvl

14:54 <Tank_Master> some run better than others

14:54 <zombie67> RadeonX1900

14:54 <MTughan> I was just wondering about that level because of all the explosions.

14:54 <MTughan> zombie67: Duh, that was ATI's top of the line card not too long ago.

14:55 <zombie67> i am ignorant about graphixs

14:55 <MTughan> Or close to it... I think the x1950 was actually.

14:55 <MTughan> Top of the line for them right now is the HD3750 X2.

14:55 <zombie67> I think I have 1950 in one of my crunchers.  used it for F@H, with the card OC

14:56 <MTughan> Oops... HD3870 X2.

14:56 <zombie67> TM:  going to tell the team about DAs proclimation?

14:57 <zombie67> MW still down?

14:57 <MTughan> The reason that it's X2 is that it's actually two GPUs on one card.

14:57 <MTughan> Oh, and Nvidia makes a graphics card with 1.5GB GRAM. xD

14:58 <MTughan> The Quadro FX 5600.

14:59 <Tank_Master> good stuff

15:00 <MTughan> Dang, that's a big card...

15:00 <Romulus> Title: NVIDIA Quadro FX 5500 SDI (at

15:00 <MTughan> 3 slots!

15:00 <zombie67> DA also does not say if that factor should be applied retroactively, or just going forward.  And completely ignores the issue of opt apps.

15:01 <Tank_Master> and 64bit apps

15:05 <MTughan> zombie67: First AI WUs turned in from the Mac.

15:05 <Romulus> <> (at

15:08 <zombie67> Nice!  What's a "Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1500 @ 2.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 14 Stepping 8]"

15:08 <zombie67> ?

15:08 <MTughan> Not really descriptive, is it? It's a 2.0GHz Core Duo.

15:09 <zombie67> I wonder if yoyo's use of PS3s with SPEs is making their numbers look worse on that comparison chart

15:09 <zombie67> ah

15:09 <MTughan> &any "yoyo[RKN]"

15:09 <Romulus> MTughan: yoyo[RKN] was last seen in #boinc 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: *** yoyo[RKN] has quit IRC ("")

15:09 <MTughan> I thought it was earlier than that, but whatever...

15:10 <MTughan> &any yoyo_RKN

15:10 <Romulus> MTughan: yoyo_RKN was last seen in #boinc 5 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: *** yoyo_RKN has quit IRC ("")

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15:19 <MTughan> PovAddict_: Know what mlt++/Mlt.h is?

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15:20 <zombie67> yoyo!

15:20 <zombie67> did you see the email from DA?

15:23 <MTughan> PovAddict_: Nvm, found it with a bit of digging.

15:28 <MTughan> Anyone can answer this question: a configure script is supposed to discover missing dependencies, right?

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15:54 <PovAddict> MTughan:

15:54 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at

15:54 <PovAddict> that's a debt *viewer* for now

15:55 <MTughan> What the...

15:55 <PovAddict> graph at scale :)

15:55 <MTughan> Finally, another DepSpid task...

15:57 <MTughan> What does a negative number mean again?

15:57 <PovAddict> for starters, all debts summed give 0

15:57 <MTughan> Yep.

15:58 <PovAddict> projects with a negative long term debt will normally not get work

15:58 <Romulus> Their recent response is "not my call":

15:58 <MTughan> So the debt is a representation of how much work is needed to even out the work for each project.

15:59 <MTughan> Positive debt, more work needed. Negative debt, less work needed (in a sense).

15:59 <PovAddict> crunching for a project lowers its debt

15:59 <xcamel_away> .45 is now the stable release for 'all platforms'

15:59 <PovAddict> which, due to the "all sum 0" correction, makes the other projects increase debt

15:59 <PovAddict> &windows

15:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be

16:00 <PovAddict> &linux

16:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be

16:00 <PovAddict> &osx

16:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: "osx" could be

16:00 <PovAddict> hmm I thought I hadn't set it already...

16:01 <MTughan> I wish DepSpid made applications for more platforms...

16:04 <PovAddict> I tried using boinc_cmd --set_debts to change the debt of a project

16:04 <PovAddict> and refreshed my page

16:04 <PovAddict> seconds later refreshed it again, and indeed, numbers changed but distance between projects stayed the same

16:04 <PovAddict> that was the adjustment to make sum be 0

16:08 <PovAddict> MTughan: watch the page

16:08 <MTughan> K...

16:08 <PovAddict> I'll lower proteins debt

16:09 <PovAddict> there

16:09 <PovAddict> all the others should have moved

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16:09 <PovAddict> but note its debt is still a pretty round number

16:10 <PovAddict> whoops, not anymore :) client just did correction; the only text that *moved* was the midpoint

16:14 * xcamel_away is back.

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16:14 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:24 <xcamel> there... all .45 now

16:24 <xcamel> except @ w^%k

16:25 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

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16:30 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

16:30 <xcamel> @ w&^k

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16:42 <nickuwo> 'ello BOINC

16:44 <xcamel> hey

16:44 <xcamel> bbiab

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17:18 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:29 <MTughan> 'lo mw

17:35 <CoderForLife> hey

17:37 <mweltin> cfl hey, you ever get that LPCTRSWPDGGERND char * thing worked out?

17:41 <PovAddict> MTughan: see debt page

17:41 <PovAddict> that's how I would like the debt-tweaking interface, sort of :)

17:42 <CoderForLife> mweltin: yup - I think so

17:43 <mweltin> nice, how did you do it?

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17:47 <CoderForLife> I was calling GetDriveType() in my Code.  That was #define'd to be GetDriveTypeW(LPCWSTR lpRootPathName), due to UNICODE being #define'd.  I simply called GetDriveTypeA(LPCSTR lpRootPathName) which accepts a char *.  Problem circumvented.

17:47 <PovAddict> I think it's an option on the MSVC GUI to disable UNICODE

17:47 <xcamel> back again

17:47 <CoderForLife> then many other things may break

17:47 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:48 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:48 <mweltin> I'm seen that fix before but can't remember the context.  Most likely it was a boinc thing as I don't do much windows programing otherwise.

17:49 <CoderForLife> For portabillity to various nationalized Windows versions, UNICODE is best,

17:50 <CoderForLife> So people in far off lands like South KathrynM can run it.

17:51 <CoderForLife> Well, I made promises today to use my Y2K scanner for Sarbanes-Oxley scanning, so I'd best get Cracking.

17:51 <CoderForLife> Cracking=fast Coding

17:52 * CoderForLife heads for the Couch =)

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17:54 <PovAddict> is a/(b+c) = a/b + a/c ? having a brainfart or two

17:56 <mweltin> no

17:56 <mweltin> wait

17:56 <xcamel> every time someone disables unicode, an angel loses it's wings...

17:56 <mweltin> no

17:56 <Romulus> "Your Modem need to downgrade the firmware first

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17:59 <mweltin> nickuwo1

18:00 <mweltin> !

18:02 <nickuwo> hey bud!

18:03 <nickuwo> what's the word

18:03 <mweltin> not much putting the finial touches on the assimilator.

18:03 <mweltin> got a little behind (as always)

18:05 <MTughan> PovAddict: I think mweltin answered already, but no. Think of a = 1, b = 2, c = 3.

18:05 <MTughan> 1/5 != 1/2 + 1/3

18:05 <PovAddict> I didn't bother trying

18:05 <PovAddict> or thinking

18:05 <PovAddict> slow brain

18:05 <mweltin> where do I associate a particular WU with a particular validator?

18:05 <MTughan> Reciprocals are equal though.

18:06 <MTughan> (b+c)/a = b/a + c/a

18:06 <PovAddict> mweltin: using a particular app

18:06 <nickuwo> I hear ya :). I'm having trobles w/ my work_generator... hopefully my CS teacher can work 'em out

18:06 <mweltin> PovAddict, for one of my dive tests I had to do simple math at 125'

18:06 <mweltin> very very hard.

18:06 <MTughan> lol

18:06 <mweltin> YOU CS teacher?!?!

18:06 <mweltin> whats wrong with you?

18:06 <nickuwo> I don't know c++

18:07 <mweltin> write it in C then

18:07 <nickuwo> I don't know c

18:07 <PovAddict> learn

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18:08 <nickuwo> two objects

18:08 <mweltin> some guy made huge performance increases in BF just by moving stuff around and one simple code update.

18:08 <nickuwo> arbitrary precision integers to be exact

18:08 <mweltin> got way better performance than Crunch3r did.

18:09 <MTughan> New apps then?

18:09 <mweltin> no BF is going away, I'm not going to but any more effort into it, unless it becomes part of a bigger algorihtm.

18:10 <mweltin> a lot of it was pre-calculation of the prefix (which I thought about but never fixed)

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18:10 <mweltin> and the rest was moving check point and percent done stuff out of one loop and in to another.

18:11 <mweltin> last time I listen to PovAddict (just kidding)

18:12 <mweltin> but honestly I forgot how to associate a WU with a particular Assimilator or Validator.

18:13 <PovAddict> validators and assimilators take an argument for app name

18:13 <mweltin> as does the WU, so I assume that is the connection?

18:14 <PovAddict> yep...

18:14 <mweltin> sweet

18:14 <mweltin> turns out the "timing" issue I was having is going to be harder to work out than I thought.

18:15 <mweltin> I need to run the DIMACS benchmark stuff as well.  That will have to be a "hidden" app that everyone will have to run at least twice per bench mark.

18:16 <MTughan> Dinner time...

18:16 <mweltin> later

18:16 <mweltin> Oh MTughan one more thing?

18:16 <mweltin> you there MTughan ?

18:16 <mweltin> guess not

18:17 <nickuwo> mweltin, do you use any arbitrary precision integer libs?

18:17 <mweltin> not that I know of no.

18:18 <nickuwo> how do you keep track of which paths you've taken?

18:18 <mweltin> for what algorithm ?

18:18 <nickuwo> TSP

18:19 <nickuwo> or are there diff algortihms for that?

18:19 <mweltin> TSP has a BF, GA (almost needs fixing), and a ACO each does it different.

18:19 <nickuwo> are those on wikipedia?

18:19 <mweltin> BF is a sequence generator, it just generates paths in order, and tests them.

18:20 <mweltin> The GA uses an "Individual" object, and one of its memebers is the path.

18:21 <mweltin> I didn't write the ACO so I'm not sure how it does it, but I think it keeps an array of paths for each group of ants.

18:21 <mweltin> they are in wikippedia but not by those names.

18:21 <mweltin> BF = brute force (checking every possible answer)

18:21 <mweltin> GA = genetic algorithm

18:22 <mweltin> ACO = ant colony optimization

18:22 <nickuwo> hmm, I ask because our problems are similar in that they are both concerned with paths... although yours has to do with the length assoicaited w/ the path, and mine has to do with the type of path... perhaps ideas from your problem may be relevant to mine, and vice versa

18:23 <mweltin> both the GA and ACO have several different variations if you are curious just read up on the most basic version.

18:23 <Romulus> mac is a good thing because I created apps/aco

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18:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> never fear, Coder's here

18:24 <wdsmia> wb Don

18:24 <nickuwo> you programmed the GA?

18:24 <mweltin> nickuwo, do you use minimum spanning trees at all?

18:24 <mweltin> nickuwo, yes

18:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> hi Doug - thx

18:24 <nickuwo> I'm not familir w/ that term

18:24 <mweltin> cfl nice to see you again.

18:24 * CoderOnTheCouch looks around for the camera

18:25 <mweltin> nickuwo, its the opposite of what I'm doing.  I'm looking for something that hits every vertex, while a MSP hits ever edge without making a cycle

18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> thx mweltin

18:25 <xcamel> eye spy

18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> maybe it's inside the TV

18:25 <CoderOnTheCouch> it's watching me as I watch it

18:26 <wdsmia> lol

18:26 * mweltin optical implant

18:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> The Universe is on tonight - topic is colonization

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18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> mweltin must be a Borg

18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> I didn't know he was Swedish

18:29 <nickuwo> I dig graph theory.

18:31 <CoderOnTheCouch> then you need to learn about spanning trees

18:32 <mweltin> cfl I'm Swiss not Swedish

18:33 <xcamel> er a swissdish

18:34 <mweltin> xcamel, you are thinking of SwissMiss the hot chocolate mix.

18:35 <mweltin> easy to do I mix up my land of orgin with a hot beverages all the time.

18:37 <MTughan> Uh... Seems I didn't miss too much while at dinner.

18:38 <MTughan> mweltin: What were you wanting?

18:38 <mweltin> My GF's mac won't start if the shuffle is plugged in, have you heard of that?

18:39 <MTughan> Possibly. It may be trying to start from the Shuffle.

18:39 <PovAddict> I had that happen on Windows

18:39 <PovAddict> tries to use the iPod as a boot drive :)

18:39 <mweltin> HAHAAH

18:39 <mweltin> thanks

18:40 <mweltin> my GF was freaking out and almost in tears this morning, she came in to wake me up because she was so furstrated.

18:41 <MTughan> Just hold down the Option key when it starts up to select the boot device.

18:41 <mweltin> I told her to take a shower and I'd see what I could do.  I unplugged everything and it booted fine.  I now the Mac Daddy!

18:42 <MTughan> lol

18:43 <MTughan> I love the green nuts... ;)

18:43 <nickuwo> when you use cout << x in C++ is that still the bitwise operator?

18:44 <MTughan> No. It's a stream operator.

18:44 <nickuwo> ok

18:46 <nickuwo> so this output function is defined like ostream& operator<< (ostream& stream, mpz_t op)   would I use that like cout << mpz_t_name; ?

18:46 <MTughan> Yes./

18:47 <mweltin> wtf is mpz_t ?

18:47 <nickuwo> wrapper for arbtrary precision lib

18:47 <mweltin> HAHAAHAHA sweet

18:47 <nickuwo> fuckin a

18:47 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:48 <MTughan> lol

18:48 <mweltin> classic

18:52 <nickuwo> coulda sworn that didn't work yesterday :)

18:58 <xcamel> children..

19:05 <xcamel> &weather 12074

19:05 <Romulus> xcamel: The current temperature in West Side Galway, Galway, New York is 34.3F (6:59 PM EDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0F. Windchill: 33.8F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).

19:08 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

19:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.9F (6:05 PM CDT on March 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 37.4F. Pressure: 28.90 in 978.6 hPa (Falling).

19:08 <nickuwo> ofstream outFile; outFile(path, ios::out);     error: no mathc for call to '(std::ofstream) (char [256], const std::_Ios_Openmode&)'   should I not be using ofstream?

19:09 <CoderForLife> what's the distance between West Side Galway and East Side Galway?

19:11 <nickuwo> nm

19:11 <xcamel> 3 miles

19:11 * CoderForLife submerges again

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19:16 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:55:40)

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19:16 <PovAddict> o/ KathrynM

19:17 <KathrynM> hiya

19:17 <PovAddict>

19:17 <KathrynM> I see DA's finally flipped his lid

19:17 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at

19:17 <nickuwo> my work_generator creates one input file and a wu, and then stops :(...

19:17 <KathrynM> whoa

19:17 <KathrynM> nifty

19:18 <PovAddict> now showing actual debt value too

19:19 <PovAddict> it was an idea for a debt *editor* - try dragging projects :)

19:19 <KathrynM> I did

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19:27 <nickuwo> oh snap, my work_generator's work_generatin'

19:27 <nickuwo> and mweltin thought I had to have my CS teacher do it for me :)

19:27 <mweltin> no I didn't

19:27 <nickuwo> I know, it was a joke :)

19:27 <nickuwo> I thought that

19:27 <mweltin> hahaha

19:28 <Romulus> waves an Amazon Kindle

19:28 <KathrynM> congrats nickuwo

19:28 <nickuwo> thx... it doesn't seem to be stopping though ...

19:28 * KathrynM waves a large powerful magnet in Romulus' direction

19:28 <KathrynM> small details

19:28 <PovAddict> KathrynM: aim at the hard disk

19:28 <PovAddict> oh wait, xcamel will kill you :)

19:29 <mweltin> nickuwo, is it in your config file as a task?

19:29 <mweltin> KathrynM, do it doit doit do it now.

19:29 <KathrynM> :)

19:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

19:31 <nickuwo> yes

19:31 *** wdsmia sets mode: +o Romulus

19:31 *** Romulus sets mode: -o wdsmia

19:31 <MTughan> &roulette

19:31 <Romulus> MTughan: *click*

19:32 <PovAddict> &roulette

19:32 *** PovAddict was kicked by Romulus (BANG!)

19:32 * Romulus reloads and spins the chambers.

19:32 <MTughan> rofl... xD

19:32 <nickuwo> hmm, create work can't find my result template

19:32 <MTughan> Anyway, I have to be off for a bit.

19:32 <Tank_Master> th MTughan

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19:32 <Tank_Master> tc*

19:32 <mweltin> later MTughan

19:33 <KathrynM> eek

19:33 <PovsCorpse> meh

19:33 <KathrynM> poor PovsCorpse

19:33 <mweltin> nickuwo, are you using create_work script in the bin dir?

19:33 <nickuwo> yes

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19:33 <mweltin> from a task in your config.xml file?

19:34 <mweltin> or just by hand?

19:35 <nickuwo> my work_gen is in config.xml and it calls create_work in bin

19:35 <mweltin> ok so that is run out of tmp_HOSTNAME

19:35 <mweltin> so you may need ../templates/templatefilename

19:36 <nickuwo> yea... I got that, perhaps create_work is still using my result file, and that's why it can't access it? It is creating wus linked to my result file, according to phpmyadmin

19:36 <PovAddict> "In 2007, the words 'Internet security' joined the ever-growing list of self-canceling phrases, alongside 'business intelligence', 'Congressional ethics', and 'Microsoft Works'."

19:37 <nickuwo> hah

19:37 <nickuwo> hmm

19:37 <nickuwo> actually it isn't creating wus

19:37 <nickuwo> just input files

19:37 <PovAddict> create_work takes milliseconds...

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19:37 <nickuwo> i c

19:38 <PovAddict> well, depends on your database load :)

19:38 <Romulus> I'm just an exponential release of the employees.

19:38 <nickuwo> when I

19:39 <nickuwo> 'm'm calling create_work in my prog, I'm passing a ~, is that kosher?

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19:42 <nickuwo> another slightly related question, if I'm generating input files with diff names, will my wrapped prog still open them?

19:42 <mweltin> shoudl be but try and absolute path just to be sure.

19:42 <nickuwo> ok

19:42 <mweltin> that is what cp file bin/dir_heir_path file takes care of.

19:43 <nickuwo> awesome

19:43 <mweltin> wu template should refer to the logical name, and dir_heir should refer to the physical name

19:43 <mweltin> then BOINC keeps track of everything else.

19:44 <mweltin> there are some boinc api functions that you can use to get the file names from.

19:44 <PovAddict_> he's using the wrapper

19:44 <Soul_keeper> "the cruelist ironies are those consecrated by the passage of time" --skully x-files

19:44 <mweltin> yeah

19:44 <mweltin> its still the same deal.

19:44 <mweltin> I'm using the wrapper as well.

19:45 <mweltin> isn't it?

19:45 <PovAddict_> well, you can't call API functions :)

19:45 <PovAddict_> if you use a wrapper, it's because you can't change the worker app to call resolve_filename

19:45 <mweltin> in the assimilator and validator

19:45 <mweltin> is what I meant.

19:45 <PovAddict_> oic

19:46 <xcamel> Spitzer may have spent big on call girls -- perhaps as much as $80,000

19:46 <mweltin> or just one BIG call girl

19:47 <efc> I'm waiting for the pics of the girls! That one sounds pretty hot

19:47 <mweltin> so what happened there, I didn't hear anything here in AS about it.

19:47 <xcamel> number 9, number 9, number 9, ...

19:47 <mweltin> so YOU are the wallrus xcamel

19:47 <xcamel> gov of NY busted in high priced call girl sting..

19:48 <nickuwo> ok, it's finding the result file, but now it's creating wus like mad... doesn't seem to know how many there are...

19:48 <mweltin> tax payer money or his own?

19:48 <xcamel> dunno yet

19:48 <efc> they seem to think it was laundered somehow, still could have been his own money though

19:48 <xcamel> I have a good guess though...

19:48 <mweltin> nickuwo, you can do a db query to find the number of pending results and base how many to create on that.

19:49 <xcamel> yup through a shell company

19:49 <mweltin> you can download my source code to see how I did that.

19:49 <xcamel> $1000/hr

19:49 <mweltin> both the BF and GA workgenerators use that technique.

19:49 <efc> I think billing increments of 5 minutes would be much more economical

19:49 <nickuwo> I'm using the sample_generator code... looks like it's already in there but something must be broken... prolly querying the wrong db or sumthin

19:50 <mweltin> 1k/hr that better be one great girl, or was he buying privacy?

19:50 <xcamel> he's finished...

19:50 <mweltin> hahahaha

19:50 <xcamel> probably resign tomorrow

19:50 <xcamel> 'plea bargaining' all day today

19:50 <mweltin> well if it was tax payer money that is a good thing, if it was his money, who cares.

19:51 <PovAddict_> I agree with efc

19:51 <PovAddict_> <efc> I'm waiting for the pics of the girls! That one sounds pretty hot

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19:51 <xcamel> he was the atty general - for 8 years - and viciously went after call girl rings

19:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o Romulus

19:51 <Romulus> damn you xp / linux wonnabees

19:51 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

19:51 <efc> sounds like my dream wife, other than the call girl partt

19:52 <xcamel> and everyone else, for that matter..

19:53 <KathrynM> *sigh*

19:53 <KathrynM> it's really hard for cron to run a script out of ~/bin when it's actually in /usr/local/bin

19:54 <KathrynM> at least it was nothing important

19:54 <PovAddict> when your hard disk crashes, you'll notice the cronjob doing backups hasn't worked for a year :)

19:54 <PovAddict> ask Murphy

19:54 <mweltin> HAHA

19:55 <KathrynM> which is why I backup manually until I figure out how rsync and cron work

19:55 <PovAddict> rsync rocks

19:55 * KathrynM should figure that out this weekend.....

19:55 * KathrynM should do a lot of things that never seem to get done

19:56 <KathrynM> oh well.  time to get ready to go to the germ factory

19:57 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

19:59 <wdsmia> bbiab

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20:09 <mweltin> Darn! validator is failing

20:10 <nickuwo> mweltin, would you mind if I looked at your work generator?

20:11 <mweltin> no download the whole thing if you want.

20:11 <mweltin> there is a link on my page to get the source via svn.

20:11 <mweltin> I assume you have svn as you get the boinc source.

20:11 <nickuwo> yea :), thx

20:11 <nickuwo> whats yer page again?

20:12 <mweltin>

20:12 <PovAddict_> easier way:

20:12 <PovAddict_>

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20:12 <Romulus> Title: WebSVN - tsp - Rev 90 - /tsp/trunk/ (at

20:12 <nickuwo> sweet

20:15 <mweltin> hahaha forgot the RNG seed as an argument, no wonder none of the WU's would validate.

20:15 <PovAddict> so was it using a random seed?

20:17 <nickuwo> I got a PROPFIND request failed

20:17 <Romulus> Hmm, someone should check the "slot" dir for the team caption, eith edit it manually, or have them *accumulate*

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20:24 <mweltin> it was using a random seed based on the time.

20:24 <mweltin> not a user supplied rng seed.

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20:25 <mweltin> crap, "wu exited with xero status but no 'finished' file.

20:26 <mweltin> crap

20:26 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmm

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20:43 <Tank_Master> wb wdsmia

20:48 <CoderForLife> ack

20:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> vc++ keeps setting the Debug folder to read-only, and then complains it can't update the project database file in that folder

20:49 <CoderOnTheCouch> duh

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21:03 <FreeLarry58> morning all

21:03 <wdsmia> *lo larry

21:03 <FreeLarry58> &seen PovAddict

21:03 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 48 minutes and 0 seconds ago: <PovAddict> so was it using a random seed?

21:04 <FreeLarry58> morn wdsmia

21:04 <PovAddict_> ugh what now

21:04 <PovAddict_> lol

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21:04 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

21:04 <FreeLarry58> in linux what does screen do?

21:04 <xcamel> detach and crash.

21:05 <FreeLarry58> lo xcamel -- detach and crash? might explain why boinc having hard time reporting wu's on that machine then

21:05 <xcamel> in a console window type 'man screen'

21:05 <FreeLarry58> such as putty?

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21:16 <PovAddict> &linux

21:16 <Romulus> Rumor has it linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict

21:17 <PovAddict> AGH

21:17 <PovAddict> &factoids linux

21:17 <Romulus> No idea!

21:17 <PovAddict> &list factoids

21:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis

21:17 <PovAddict> &whatis linux

21:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be

21:17 <PovAddict> xcamel could you get rid of the Infobot plugin...?

21:18 <PovAddict> linux?

21:18 <Romulus> hmm... linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict

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21:18 <PovAddict> that's annoying

21:18 <Tank_Master> wb mw

21:19 <mweltin> hey Tank_Master and PovAddict

21:21 <xcamel> PoV - for the eleventeenth time, no.

21:22 <PovAddict> I don't recall you saying that before

21:22 <PovAddict> and note we now lost the &linux factoid, because that useless infobot thingy has precedence

21:22 <xcamel> faulty memory on your part then.

21:24 <PovAddict> I don't see the use of infobot

21:25 <PovAddict> just catches random stuff from the channel and has no way to delete individual quotes

21:25 <PovAddict> which then reappear when least expected, like when just typing "linux?"

21:25 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: boinc upgraded

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21:28 <mweltin> what would cause a validator to crash constantly.

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21:28 <PovAddict> a crashing bug :)

21:29 <mweltin> it keeps trying to check for a canonical result for a wu that had been cancled

21:31 <mweltin>

21:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:31 <mweltin> could you give that the once over PovAddict ?

21:32 <PovAddict> and after that it crashes?

21:32 <FreeLarry58> thanks PovAddict

21:33 <mweltin> the cron job launches it again and thats all I get in the log file.

21:33 <PovAddict> run it manually, under a debugger

21:35 <mweltin> ahh derefs some null pointer.

21:35 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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21:41 <mweltin> opps didn't add the -g on my validator

21:43 <mweltin> the backtrace makes no mention of files I wrote.

21:43 <mweltin>

21:43 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

21:44 <Soul_keeper> found receipts from 1992 under my truck seat ...

21:44 <Soul_keeper> $4.34 of oxidized change

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21:47 <xcamel> hole-in-pocket

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21:56 <nickuwo1> how would you communicate % done thru the wrapper?

21:56 <mweltin> I don't think you can.

21:56 <mweltin> if you had several tasks defined in the job.xml file

21:57 <mweltin> you could do that, but not within the worker.

21:57 <nickuwo1> bummer

21:57 <nickuwo1> I have to learn the API

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21:58 <PovAddict> and not use the wrapper

21:58 <nickuwo1> yes

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21:58 <mweltin> haha

21:58 <nickuwo> it doesn't look all that difficult :)

21:59 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:59 <nickuwo> maybe someone will write a C# interface

21:59 <mweltin> HAHAHAAHAHA

21:59 <mweltin> classic

22:00 <PovAddict> or not

22:00 <PovAddict> .net eww

22:00 <mweltin> maybe someone will write one in qbasic

22:00 <nickuwo> hmm

22:01 <mweltin> my DATA structures are not getting to compare_results function.

22:02 <mweltin> but they are getting a value correctly in init_result.

22:03 <mweltin> compare_results (r1=@0x4081e008, _data1=0x0, r2=@0x4084e3b0, _data2=0x0

22:03 <mweltin> not sure what to do about that, any suggestions PovAddict ?

22:08 <mweltin> I think it got it

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22:12 * CoderForLife call it a Coding night

22:12 <CoderForLife> that's it for me

22:12 <wdsmia> cya

22:12 * CoderForLife leaves the room, leaving his IDE open

22:13 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm with him

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22:15 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

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23:09 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:12:27)

23:10 <PovAddict> hey KathrynM

23:10 <KathrynM> heya PovAddict

23:10 <PovAddict> discussin credits

23:10 <KathrynM> I'm trying to decide whether it's better to get involved or not.

23:11 <PovAddict> do you happen to have some sanity left?

23:11 <KathrynM> very little

23:11 <PovAddict> don't worry, you won't lose it; you just need some left to understand this :)

23:11 <KathrynM> oh :)

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23:13 <PovAddict_> I think I missed your reply/es

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23:13 <KathrynM> <PovAddict> do you happen to have some sanity left?

23:13 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> very little

23:13 <PovAddict>

23:14 <KathrynM> *boom*

23:15 <PovAddict> eww

23:16 <PovAddict> there's brains everywhere now

23:16 <KathrynM> xactly

23:37 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:48 <Tank_Master> man, I really hate split CPIDs

23:48 <Tank_Master> Im glad I never had a problem on my own comp

23:49 <Tank_Master> err account

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