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02:22 <mweltin> cfl you here?
02:24 <zombie67> mweltin!
02:24 <mweltin> zombie67!
02:24 <mweltin> hey
02:24 <zombie67> saw you added the new project to the prefs page
02:25 <zombie67> don't forget about adding it to the server status page too
02:25 <mweltin> yeah got a little ahead of my self.
02:25 <mweltin> hahaah I had forgot.
02:25 <mweltin> thanks zombie67
02:25 <zombie67> first question will be: Hey! I checked the box! Why no work!?
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02:25 <zombie67> server status should help to quell that
02:26 <zombie67> FWIW, I have it checked. ;)
02:26 <mweltin> nice
02:26 <flight16> BOINC
02:26 <flight16> Thank you Romulus.
02:26 <mweltin> now if I couldn't only figure out this Validator issue.
02:26 <flight16> Now fetch me a sandwich.
02:27 <zombie67> that is more up POVs alley
02:27 <zombie67> I am just a user
02:27 <zombie67> givin' you the user's perspective
02:28 <zombie67> your new project...what platforms?
02:29 <zombie67> you don't even join your own project?
02:29 <zombie67> project channel, I meant
02:30 <mweltin> of course I do
02:30 <zombie67> see you not, on #tsp
02:30 <mweltin> there are linux (32), windows (32), mac ppc and mac intel
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02:31 <zombie67> sweeeet
02:31 <mw_away> I'll be right back
02:31 <mw_away> went for a dive and need a shower.
02:34 <zombie67> TMI
02:37 <sethy> morning all
02:39 <zombie67> hi
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03:02 <sethy> some bad weather up here
03:03 <sethy> from what i can see on the main transport website almost half the trains have been cancelled due to severe weather
03:03 <sethy> unluckily not mine
03:11 <mw_away> hey how to I stop someone form using my nick?
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03:13 <zombie67> you need to register it
03:13 <Romulus> Title: freenode: frequently-asked questions (at freenode.net)
03:14 <sethy> or simply tipe /msg nickserb help register
03:14 <sethy> s/tipe/type
03:14 <zombie67> another benefit of registering, you can PM
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03:14 <zombie67> the online help is crap
03:14 <zombie67> bad/wrong instructions
03:15 <sethy> nickserv not nickserb
03:15 <sethy> my typing today is sucky
03:15 <sethy> i blame the weather
03:15 <zombie67> took me several hours to learn that
03:15 <sethy> nickserv?
03:16 <zombie67> yeah, online help does not match web docs
03:16 <sethy> better off asking someone actually on irc to help you xD
03:16 <zombie67> yep
03:16 <zombie67> that was my final solution
03:17 <sethy> and ubuntu doesnt want to load gnome....
03:17 <sethy> well it has, just not all of it
03:17 <sethy> anyonw know what the shortcut to bring up the terminal is?
03:19 <zombie67> /bin/csh
03:20 <sethy> could not find /bin/csh
03:21 <sethy> anyway time for college, i'll see if it wants to work on their comps
03:21 <zombie67> later
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03:56 <sethy> ttylinux is small
03:56 <sethy> 43.7MB torrent
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04:21 <CoderForLife> morning any/all
04:27 <CoderForLife> PovAddixt: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336750,00.html
04:27 <CoderForLife> ugh
04:27 <ELGono> moo don
04:27 <CoderForLife> PovAddict
04:28 <Romulus> i mean the actual ones...
04:28 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono =)
04:28 * CoderForLife inspects his keyboard to see why the X key moved
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04:30 <ELGono> hehe beware of the gnome
04:31 <ELGono> althought i always prefered gnome, not kde
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04:37 <Romulus> Title: RIA Novosti - World - S.Korea switches ISS mission astronauts over alleged violations (at en.rian.ru)
04:39 <CoderForLife> Gnome appears to be threatening
04:40 <CoderForLife> at least to Argentinians
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04:50 <CoderForLife> iiiieee - hunger - brb with breakfast
04:54 <sethy> there is a gamers version of ubuntu on linuxtracker
04:55 <sethy> 5.8GB
05:02 <CoderForLife> hello sethy
05:02 <sethy> hello CoderForLife
05:05 * CoderForLife munches on breakfast while studying compiler messages
05:06 * CoderForLife then munches on compiler messages while studying breakfast
05:07 <sethy> isnt that a little... death defying...
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05:12 <CoderForLife> I can only juggle these two things at once - please don't toss me the knife, chainsaw or cat
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05:51 <xcamel_away> boo
05:59 * KathrynM is back (gone 06:22:08)
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06:11 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%
06:11 <Romulus> I'm not so much here United Kingdom tight on Firearms
06:11 <CoderForLife> bye-bye
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08:40 <wdsmia_w> &weather 50319
08:40 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: The current temperature in Drake Neighborhood, Des Moines, Iowa is 35.4°F (7:39 AM CDT on March 12, 2008). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
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08:46 <clusty> KathrynM, your turn
08:46 <KathrynM> I've got one game in front of you :)
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08:47 <clusty> meaning?
08:47 <KathrynM> your turn
08:47 <KathrynM> I'm playing multiple games :)
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08:49 <clusty> there
08:50 <KathrynM> go
08:55 <clusty> done
08:57 <KathrynM> go
09:02 <clusty> go
09:03 <clusty> yeeeeyy
09:03 <clusty> seg fault is fixed....
09:03 <clusty> yeppie
09:03 <KathrynM> your turn
09:03 <clusty> was haunting me for a day already
09:03 <KathrynM> and I'm going to bed after I dig out another box of kleenex
09:04 <KathrynM> that was fun
09:04 <KathrynM> thanks for the game
09:04 <KathrynM> i'll catch up to you in the AM
09:04 <clusty> aloha
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10:59 <hawmps> re-hi
11:00 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay
11:01 <wdsmia_w> got to go reboot a library handler biab
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11:22 <hawmps> grrrr...
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13:39 * CoderForLife lingers in an alternate reality, where compilers silently align data structures on 4-byte boundaries
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14:17 <hawmps> spitzer out as of monday..
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14:52 <CoderForLife> The expression "Spitzer Effect" now has new meaning.
14:55 <hawmps> I have passed around more than a few "I told you so's"
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15:25 <mweltin> If I update my windows client, is that an update, or is that a reinstall?
15:26 <PovAddict> you definitely don't lose in-progress work
15:27 <mweltin> I don't so much care about that just curious if I need to uninstall the old client first.
15:28 <PovAddict> ah I don't think so
15:28 <PovAddict> "not necessary but not harmful"
15:28 <PovAddict> (if you uninstall the client, you won't lose work either)
15:33 <mweltin> so with void pointers passed to functions, do I have to keep casting it to what I want everytime I use it?
15:33 <mweltin> the init_results function gets void*& data as an argument.
15:33 <PovAddict> yes...
15:33 <mweltin> for me to use it I have to .........ok
15:35 <mweltin> are teh screen savers made with wxWidgets ?
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15:36 <PovAddict> huh
15:36 <PovAddict> no, OpenGL
15:36 <PovAddict> wxWidgets is for GUIs like the manager
15:38 <mweltin> cool
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15:52 <xcamel> re-hi
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16:41 <CoderForLife> home again
16:42 <xcamel> wb
16:42 <xcamel> bbiab..
16:46 <CoderForLife> thx
16:53 <CoderForLife> pretty APOD today
16:55 <mweltin> If I have the correct url in my get_project_config.php where is the scheduler request server?
16:56 <mweltin> I'm on a local network and set up my server for "localhost" and now I want another computer to attache to it, so I changed all references of localhost to my internal IP
16:56 <mweltin> but I still get an err 3/12/2008 9:54:07 AM|Traveling salesman problem|Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
16:56 <PovAddict> html/user/schedulers.txt?
16:59 <mweltin> thats a little odd, why the separate file?
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17:00 <mweltin> big Z
17:00 <mweltin> hello
17:00 <zombie67> howdie
17:01 <zombie67> I just ran some RS and some SETI (stock) on the same machine. It is a dual Xeon X5355 (2.66ghz, 8-way).
17:02 <zombie67> I have 4 RS and 11 SETI results so far. SETI awards 14.96 c/h, RS awards 18.69 c/h....or 1.25x SETI
17:02 <PovAddict> somebody on #rieselsieve *admitted* there is a credit multiplier in the server
17:02 <PovAddict> although I don't think it's 4x
17:02 <Tank_Master> so no cerdit manipulation needed
17:03 <PovAddict> but credit inflation is definitely true
17:03 <Tank_Master> according to DA's proposal anyway
17:03 <zombie67> I can only provide my results...1.25x SETI, not 4.6x
17:04 <zombie67> on RS, claimed credit for all 4 is 528.26. granted is 5.44
17:04 <zombie67> no a LOT of difference
17:04 <zombie67> granted are awarded fixed at 136.
17:04 <zombie67> sorry, i meant 544, not 5.44
17:05 <zombie67> three claimed under, one claimed over. It was about a was in the end
17:06 <zombie67> I am going to let it run for another day, so I can get more results. Then I will make it available for anyone to review
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17:06 <bryanUC_> zombie67: thanks for the info, that's very interesting
17:06 <bryanUC_> PovAddict: just to verify, there's not a *formal* credit multiplier....we just have a target that we try to hover at, which may be/is higher than SETI
17:07 <mweltin> I'm still getting the same Scheduler reqeust failed: Couldn't connect to server. I verified that everythign is running well, and all url in config.xml and scheduler.txt have been updated. How can I tell where the client is looking for the scheduler? I have detached and reattached with no change.
17:07 <Romulus> need some left to understand what in bloody earth he wrote
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17:08 <zombie67> yep
17:13 <zombie67> Also, this is a dual xeon machine, so no OC hankie pankie possible
17:14 <xcamel> blah
17:15 <CoderForLife> 55F outside and sunny, 71F in my office with no heat on - "solar gain"
17:18 <zombie67> Here are the preliminary results. I will update this spreadsheet tomorrow with more results tomorrow.
17:19 <zombie67> give it a sec to upload
17:20 <PovAddict> did anyone look at my credits.txt file?
17:21 <mweltin> ok so in my boinc client dir on windows I have a sched_request_192.168.1.108_tsp.xml file which seems correct, and but the sched_reply_192.168.1.108_tsp.xml file is empty. My master_192.168.1.108_tsp.xml has the old scheduler url????
17:21 <PovAddict> mweltin: the client doesn't re-download the master file often
17:21 <PovAddict> try reattaching
17:21 <PovAddict> or maybe reset is enough
17:22 <zombie67> I did
17:22 <zombie67> there is no good way to deal with optimization
17:22 <Romulus> tired. long day at work
17:22 <PovAddict> other way around: there is no good way to keep cross-project parity
17:22 <mweltin> what do you mean zombie67?
17:22 <PovAddict> mweltin: credits
17:23 <mweltin> sorry I asked
17:23 <PovAddict> lol
17:23 <zombie67> yeah. ignore it, keep under the radar, you'll be fine
17:23 <zombie67> pov, did you see yoyo's email about it?
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17:24 <mweltin> that is exactly what has happened to me, twice
17:25 <mweltin> Crunch3r did the STLport
17:25 <zombie67> it's still outrageous that DA is asking for credit reduction, but not the reverse for under-awarding projects
17:25 <mweltin> and another guy did some code mods that blew crunch3r's mods out of the water.
17:26 <zombie67> and requiring the stat sites to be the bad-guys... That's just stupid. why would a site want to drive traffic to OTHER stat sites that don't play along?
17:26 <zombie67> ha!
17:26 <zombie67> that's funny
17:26 <mweltin> credits are BS way more trouble than they are worth. Porjects should use other insentives. Liek the primeGrid I hear they will name a prime number after you if you find it.
17:27 <PovAddict> argh
17:27 <PovAddict> my screensaver app still depends on zlib1.dll
17:27 <PovAddict> I managed to get rid of the other dll dependencies by statically linking; but I'm not linking to zlib correctly yet
17:28 <PovAddict> &math convert 10 inches to cm
17:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: 25.4
17:28 <mweltin> now it thinks my project is down. 3/12/2008 10:21:04 AM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.
17:29 <PovAddict> mweltin: enable http_debug
17:29 <PovAddict> &bw ClientMessages
17:29 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: that's a lotta snow
17:29 <PovAddict> 25cm
17:29 <CoderForLife> that's on the table after it melted a bit
17:30 <CoderForLife> the driveway had 12"
17:30 <PovAddict> :o
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17:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: still got your snowed-trampoline image around? :)
17:31 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/snow.jpg should be it.
17:31 <CoderForLife> I'm off to the Coding Couch - my old 16-bit Code is becoming happy in it's new 32-bit home
17:31 <MTughan> Hold on, I've got a newer one...
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17:31 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: make sure it's 64-bit compatible :)
17:31 <Tank_Master> :P
17:32 <PovAddict> gah... still can't get rid of zlib
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17:33 <MTughan> And of course, X goes off and crashes... >_>
17:33 <CoderForLife> I will eventually
17:33 * CoderForLife slides down the bannister
17:33 <PovAddict> does anyone know what tool to use to see shared libary dependencies?
17:34 <CoderForLife> Windows -> depends
17:34 <PovAddict> I'm currently searching for /[a-z0-9]\.dll/ in the .exe file :)
17:34 <CoderForLife> Linux -> ?
17:34 <DerMeister> Linux: ldd
17:34 <DerMeister> Windows: dependency walker
17:34 <zombie67> ldd
17:34 <PovAddict> Windows but unix-like dev environment
17:35 <zombie67> ah, beat me
17:35 <PovAddict> no ldd :(
17:35 <Romulus> the paid version gets you somewhat-newer code and technical support
17:35 <PovAddict> I have nm and objdump
17:35 <zombie67> what linux do you have, that doesn't have ldd?
17:35 <PovAddict> Windows
17:35 <PovAddict> a bash shell on Windows, with unix-like build tools :)
17:36 <zombie67> nice!
17:36 <PovAddict> pic loading
17:36 <MTughan> Nice at Windows or the snow?
17:36 <Tank_Master> snow! I want snow!
17:37 <MTughan> There, Enter key is back now...
17:38 <MTughan> When X crashed, I hit my keyboard hard enough that I knocked the spring wire under the Enter key loose... :P
17:38 <zombie67> snow!
17:38 <zombie67> I have the new flat mac keyboard
17:38 <MTughan> I think Quebec City has hit 540cm fallen over the winter now...
17:38 <MTughan> &math convert 540 centimetres to feet
17:38 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: centimetres is not a valid unit.
17:38 <zombie67> i love it
17:38 <MTughan> &math convert 540 cm to feet
17:38 <Romulus> MTughan: 17.7165354331
17:39 <MTughan> Maybe not that much... But it's a lot.
17:39 <PovAddict> centimeters
17:39 <zombie67> I am a fan of laptop keybard scissor action. very shallow stroke. This mac keyboard is exactly that
17:39 <MTughan> Centimetres is the Canadian way.
17:39 <PovAddict> centimeters is the Romulus way
17:39 <MTughan> It's the bad centimetres then.
17:40 <MTughan> Oh, and more ice pellets predicted for tomorrow.
17:40 <zombie67> bbl
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17:41 <MTughan> Ah, here's what I was thinking of... http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/080311/n031153A.html
17:42 <MTughan> 460 cm of snow over the winter.
17:42 <PovAddict> mweltin: tried reset/reattach?
17:42 <MTughan> &math convert 460 cm to feet
17:42 <Romulus> MTughan: 15.0918635171
17:42 <mweltin> and why on earth dose the boinc client try to connect ot google.com ?
17:43 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You sure you want this snow?
17:43 <MTughan> Read this: http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/080311/n031153A.html
17:43 <PovAddict> mweltin: to see if your internet connection works
17:43 <Soul_keeper> I WIN !!!
17:43 <MTughan> "Snow rage leads Quebec City man to brandish shotgun at snow-removal worker: cops"
17:43 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: the lottery?
17:43 <Soul_keeper> i wish
17:43 <PovAddict> :)
17:43 <Soul_keeper> i just try to stay delushional then i'm never a loser
17:43 <MTughan> &ping
17:43 <Romulus> pong
17:43 <MTughan> Oh, so I'm just being ignored...
17:44 <xcamel> &ding
17:44 <Romulus> DONG!
17:44 <PovAddict> yup :)
17:44 <mweltin> its fialing ot download the apps, its trying to get them form 127
17:44 <PovAddict> ah the APPS
17:44 <MTughan> Someone threatening a snow worker with a shotgun isn't interesting enough for anyone?
17:44 <PovAddict> I read that already MTughan
17:44 <MTughan> Maybe you did, but everyone else?
17:45 <PovAddict> mweltin: http://127.0.0.1/tsp_ops/db_action.php?table=app_version&id=1
17:45 <mweltin> dl, ul. and mater url are correct in the config.xml file
17:45 <PovAddict> app download URLs are on the database
17:46 <mweltin> up ther eit is
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17:46 <mweltin> yup there it is
17:46 * CoderOnTheCouch looks around
17:46 <mweltin> so make a new workunit and all should be well ?
17:46 * xcamel hides
17:46 <PovAddict> mweltin: make a new *app version*, or tweak DB manually
17:47 <mweltin> no that wont work
17:47 <mweltin> yeah there we go
17:47 <mweltin> ok
17:47 <MTughan> CoderOnTheCouch: Two things for you.
17:47 <Romulus> Title: Dependency Walker (depends.exe) Home Page (at www.dependencywalker.com)
17:47 <MTughan> 2) http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/080311/n031153A.html
17:47 <PovAddict> CoderOnTheCouch++
17:49 <mweltin> wow now this is a pain in the ass.
17:49 <mweltin> If I made a suggestion to boinc developers I would ask to simplify this process.
17:49 <Romulus> i'm not pro in this list
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17:54 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> hey
17:56 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
17:57 <wdsmia> hate it when your walking out the door and they deside to call a last minute meeting
17:57 <mweltin> man that generats a lot of messages
17:58 <mweltin> that is why you run for the door with headphones on. duhhhh
17:59 <wdsmia> you still have to get past the armed trooper at the front door
18:00 <mweltin> geee where do you work? starbucks or something?
18:00 <wdsmia> yea somthing like that
18:00 <PovAddict> lol
18:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: Your debt page is broken.
18:01 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)
18:01 <PovAddict> BOINC XML is broken
18:01 <PovAddict> there is an unescaped &
18:01 <MTughan> So no surprise then.
18:03 <mweltin> well I can see the apps in the transfer page but they are not downloading they are waiting to retry, and if I update the project it doesn't reset the retry timer.
18:04 <mweltin> ahhh
18:04 <mweltin> retry now button
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18:10 <zombie67> I'm back, baby! -Bender
18:14 <xcamel> as chode kicks him..
18:14 <mweltin> ok PovAddict one more piece of the puzzle, the app and wrapper download fine as well as the job.xml file, but the file associated with the workunit my "instance" file doesn't download.
18:15 <PovAddict> same problem; see your database, URL for instance file is probably 127.0.0.1
18:15 <mweltin> am I boned ?
18:15 <mweltin> ok
18:15 <PovAddict> edit DB, or cancel those workunits and make new ones (if you have URLs set right on config.xml, new ones would work)
18:17 * CoderOnTheCouch tests his re-born scanner
18:18 <PovAddict> I'm running a dozen instances of upx at once
18:18 * wdsmia is changing out switch brb... I hope
18:18 <PovAddict> trying to see which settings get me the smallest file
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18:19 <PovAddict> more like two dozen
18:19 <PovAddict> all done, finally
18:21 <DerMeister> Does this really pay off?
18:21 <PovAddict> what?
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18:23 <wdsmia> seems like the 8 port 10/100 switch I found in the junk bin still works
18:24 <DerMeister> PovAddict: packing executables with upx
18:24 <PovAddict> 600064 -> 192512 32.08%
18:25 <PovAddict> and 0.094 seconds taken to decompress it
18:25 <PovAddict> (against 46 seconds to compress!)
18:25 <mweltin> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
18:26 <mweltin> by the time I fixed hte data base hte WU was cancled by boinc for too many errors.
18:26 <mweltin> hahahaha
18:26 <mweltin> ok gotta take a break
18:26 <mweltin> bbl
18:26 <mweltin> thanks again Pov, big help as always.
18:27 <DerMeister> PovAddict: as far as I know some "firewalls" or anti virus programs don't like executables compressed with upx...
18:28 <PovAddict> the upx license is made specifically for that: to make sure antivirus software can decompress any upx'd program
18:28 <PovAddict> if some antivirus marks any upx'd program as being dangerous, get a better one :)
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18:34 <DerMeister> PovAddict: Well, I didn't have such problems yet... Just heard of this...
18:35 <PovAddict> 32% of original looks like a good saving
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18:59 <xcamel> &weather 12074
19:00 <Romulus> xcamel: The current temperature in West Side Galway, Galway, New York is 34.2°F (6:59 PM EDT on March 12, 2008). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
19:00 <wdsmia> &weather 50265
19:00 <Romulus> wdsmia: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 58.6°F (5:59 PM CDT on March 12, 2008). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 9%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Pressure: 28.63 in 969.4 hPa (Steady).
19:02 <wdsmia> 9% Humidity? thats wrong
19:02 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires
19:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:02 * PovAddict kicks the weather plugin
19:03 * xcamel kicks PovAddict
19:03 <wdsmia> &weather 50319
19:03 <Romulus> wdsmia: The current temperature in Drake Neighborhood, Des Moines, Iowa is 58.6°F (6:03 PM CDT on March 12, 2008). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002.3 hPa (Steady).
19:07 <wdsmia> wow 111,625 ready to send
19:07 <PovAddict> what project?
19:07 <Romulus> Somebody said what project are we talking about, PovAddict
19:07 <wdsmia> LHC
19:07 <PovAddict> !
19:09 <xcamel> they have to up the limits a bit..
19:09 <PovAddict> 12/03/2008 21:07:00|lhcathome|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 785 sec
19:09 <PovAddict> AGH
19:09 <Romulus> is away: Gone away for now.
19:13 <xcamel> damn.. they crash
19:14 <PovAddict> I'm tempted to do the hostid hack
19:14 <PovAddict> but my host CPIDs will get even more split than they are already...
19:14 <wdsmia> 45 min the clock will reset
19:15 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:58:03)
19:15 <PovAddict> just got two tasks
19:15 <PovAddict> only two :/
19:15 <wdsmia> yep 2 is the download limit
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19:19 <DerMeister> At the moment I have 6 wus from lhc :)
19:20 <DerMeister> And three little spiders :)
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19:28 <wdsmia> at the moment I have a few hundred LHC wu's and want more :)
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19:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> hmm?
19:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> ok
19:52 <PovAddict> hey efc
19:54 <xcamel> wb
19:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm going to fold up my Coding tent for the evening - great progress today
19:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> cya folks
19:57 <wdsmia> cya Don
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19:57 <PovAddict> efc: any experience with arbitrary-precision integer calculations?
19:59 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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20:11 <efc> Moo
20:11 <efc> Well, I've read about them and studied some, but not actually used much if any
20:11 <efc> Precision on which side of the decimal?
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20:29 <Tank_Master> heya EFC
20:29 <efc> moo
20:34 <PovAddict> efc: I said integers :)
20:34 <efc> sometimes people mean big rational numbers when they say that
20:35 <efc> (Which GMP will do also)
20:35 <PovAddict> GMP seems overkill for my needs
20:35 <PovAddict> (and a pain to compile)
20:35 <PovAddict> I need to multiply together a 100000-digit number and a 12-digit number, and get their decimal digits
20:38 <PovAddict> the 100000-digit number is 2^333333, the other number changes
20:39 <efc> Hmm, well in binary the answer is pretty easy...
20:39 <PovAddict> 333333 may change... in some months...
20:39 <PovAddict> but the base will always be 2
20:41 <efc> I think extracting the digits will generally require working on the whole product at once
20:42 <efc> If you are willing to use Java I think it has simple BigNum support. Smalltalk does too.
20:42 <PovAddict> not a problem, even at one byte per decimal digit (ie. not even storing it in an efficient binary format) would only use 100KB of memory
20:42 <PovAddict> and this is all C++
20:45 <PovAddict> so in summary, I need the decimal digits of k*2^n, where n is currently 333333, and k changes all the time; I could pre-calculate 2^n and send it along with the app so that all I have to do in the code is the multiplication and the to-ascii conversion
20:46 <efc> Yes, I suppose you can implement your own grade-school multiplier, it will be slow, but probably wont matter
20:47 <PovAddict> maybe yeah...
20:48 <efc> There are some alternative techniques but much more trouble
20:51 <PovAddict> hmm
20:52 <PovAddict> for such a big number, if I use the grade-school multiplier method, won't it need a stupid amount of memory?
20:52 <PovAddict> doesn't it need digits^2 memory?
20:54 <Soul_keeper> just ordered new pc parts :)
20:54 <PovAddict> ah not really... I can just sum as I go...
20:55 <Soul_keeper> i spent most my money on "bells and whistles" rather than mem or cpu power tho ...
20:57 <Soul_keeper> thru down 700 bones
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20:59 <efc> its quadratic running time but thats not a real big deal
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20:59 <PovAddict> I'll find out if it's a big deal or not...
21:00 <efc> you're just doing this once, I assume
21:00 <PovAddict> nope, for each different k
21:00 <efc> if you want it to be fast, its going to stink
21:01 * Soul_keeper notices the absense of comment
21:01 <efc> can speed it up a bit by just multiplying the big num by each digit (0-9) and then doing all adds after that but asymptotically its not helping much
21:02 <PovAddict> I guess I just didn't expect a multiplication to be so slow, I didn't really think much about it
21:06 <efc> If you are doing lots of work with the results, it might not matter so much
21:06 <xcamel> >> Not Your Father's Ukrainian Army
21:06 <xcamel> where do I sign up?
21:06 <efc> nice thing with GMP, it uses faster algorithms than the grade school one, though I'm not sure they'll help much with mismatched sizes like that
21:07 <efc> But it will use 32 or 64 bit "limbs" instead of essentially 2.5 bit limbs for single decimal digits
21:07 <efc> and then your squaring a much smallter number of limbs, and its even better
21:07 <efc> but you do have a more expensive conversion back to decimal. Probably worth it though.
21:08 <efc> Gotta get going, will be on later
21:08 <PovAddict> well gmp is indeed fast
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21:08 <PovAddict> http://gmplib.org/cgi-bin/gmp_calc.pl?expr=36201077805*2^323333 (I can't use 333333, the web thingy is limited to 100k digits of output)
21:09 <PovAddict> there's probably a faster way for my case where the big number is a power of two...
21:14 <Soul_keeper> that's right
21:15 <PovAddict> if I take 36201077805 and bitshift it 333333 times, I get the result :)
21:16 <PovAddict> then the problem is just the conversion to decimal
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21:41 <PovAddict> GMP takes 0.047s to do both operations
21:42 <PovAddict> 36201077805*2^333333
21:48 <Soul_keeper> i interpret your silence as admission that i'm the greatest btw
21:50 * Tank_Master slaps Soul_keeper around a bit with a large trout
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22:17 <Al2O3_> The following teams match one or more of your search criteria. To join a team, click its name to go to the team page, then click Join this team.
22:17 <Al2O3_> I don't see "Join this team" on the linked team page.
22:17 <Al2O3_> any assistance would be helpful.
22:19 <Tank_Master> you click on the team name
22:19 <Tank_Master> that will go to another page
22:19 <Tank_Master> on that page is the link to join
22:19 <Al2O3_> not todya.
22:19 <Tank_Master> which project?
22:19 <Romulus> I guess which project are you with, Tank_Master
22:19 <Al2O3_> have friend who is sitting next to me trying ot join my team.
22:19 <PovAddict> Description
22:19 <PovAddict> Total credit
22:19 <PovAddict> Recent average credit
22:19 <PovAddict> Country
22:19 <Al2O3_> we search for the team 'dennat' as the string, and then click on DENNAT Automation, and nothing is there to join.
22:19 <PovAddict> Type
22:19 <PovAddict> and the link to join!
22:19 <Al2O3_> SETI@Home
22:20 <Al2O3_> had not problem joining my own, or having others join mine until now.
22:20 <Al2O3_> weird.
22:20 <Tank_Master> are you sure you compleated the creatin process for the team?
22:20 <Al2O3_> dead end link.
22:20 <PovAddict> Al2O3_: a possible reason why the link isn't there: he's already a member
22:20 <Al2O3_> yes, have others in my team.
22:20 <Al2O3_> he isn't.
22:20 <Al2O3_> have 2 members, me and a friend, this other guy is not in the team.
22:20 <Al2O3_> I thought of that already, and asked him if he was a member of another team even.
22:20 <Al2O3_> this is weird.
22:20 <Tank_Master> ok, the just copy the link for the team page and give that to him
22:20 <Romulus> zombie67: Who/what do you have teh power
22:21 <Tank_Master> he need to have credit to snow
22:21 <Tank_Master> credits after joining
22:21 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
22:22 <PovAddict> there's a box on the right saying "Community"
22:22 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
22:22 <PovAddict> does it mention anything related to teams there?
22:22 <Al2O3_> I show not a box, but a list of links above the open fields for email address, password, check box for staying logged on and llogin button.
22:23 <PovAddict> then login! :)
22:23 <Al2O3_> I'm logged in.
22:23 <Al2O3_> already a long time ago.
22:23 <Al2O3_> he is also
22:23 <PovAddict> if you see fields for email address, password, check box for staying logged on and llogin button, you are NOT logged in
22:23 <Al2O3_> ok.
22:24 <PovAddict> and if you're not logged in, you don't see a "join" link :)
22:24 <Tank_Master> that link to the team you just posted?
22:24 <Al2O3_> :)
22:24 <Al2O3_> you rock
22:24 <Tank_Master> give hin that link
22:24 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: he wasn't logged in :)
22:24 <Al2O3_> doing now in chat
22:24 <Tank_Master> and if he can join from there
22:24 <Tank_Master> when you click to join, it goes to the login page
22:25 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: no, if you're not logged in, the join link isn't there at all
22:25 <PovAddict> try
22:25 <Tank_Master> if you arent already lodded in
22:25 <PovAddict> logout and go to a team page
22:25 <Tank_Master> has that changed?
22:25 <Tank_Master> didnt use to work that way
22:25 <Al2O3_> he's bringing up chat now, I'll past URL To him, and then we'll get him logged in officially. Apparently the client for OS X BOINC allows you to see his personal and team search pages without being logged in?
22:25 <Al2O3_> seems odd
22:25 <Al2O3_> I don't remember it being a problem before now.
22:26 <PovAddict> the website has no idea what's going on with the client
22:26 <Al2O3_> ok
22:26 <Al2O3_> makes sense.
22:26 <PovAddict> and definitely there aren't platform differences with the website :)
22:26 <Al2O3_> :)
22:26 <Al2O3_> POV, you are a godsend
22:26 <Al2O3_> or a send to god
22:26 <Al2O3_> :)
22:27 <Tank_Master> heh
22:28 <Tank_Master> to bad theres not a return to sender ;)
22:30 <Tank_Master> so I take it it is working now?
22:34 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:35:34)
22:34 <Tank_Master> wb
22:34 <KathrynM> thx
22:35 <KathrynM> longish lunch today
22:35 <Tank_Master> :)
22:49 <Al2O3_> ok, he seems to have joined, but now it shows 3 members but when clicking on view of the members, only lists 2, maybe there is a time to update :)
22:49 <Al2O3_> who knows, but thanks for your help!
22:50 <Al2O3_> clearly we needed to login where the client app on our systems doesn't do that for us automatically.
23:42 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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