IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-03-14

00:00 <PovAddict> <- there's me writing PrimeGrid screensaver

00:00 <zombie67> ah!

00:01 <zombie67> looks very windows-y

00:01 <PovAddict> heh

00:01 <zombie67> ever heard of a text editor?

00:02 <zombie67> looks impossible to use effeciently from the keyboard.

00:02 <zombie67> if at all

00:02 <zombie67> no response from my email about credits yet

00:02 <PovAddict> well I was using gvim and a bash shell before I started using Eclipse

00:02 <PovAddict> and I can always go back to that without losing anything

00:03 <zombie67> it's all about *which* text editor you use

00:04 <zombie67> MW is back up

00:04 <zombie67> another soon-to-be target

00:04 <zombie67> fixed credits

00:04 <zombie67> about average

00:04 <Romulus> The dog seems to be diabled

00:04 <zombie67> then Crunch3r helped optimize their apps

00:05 <zombie67> on my fastest machines, making 50 c/h

00:05 <zombie67> so, we and the project must suffer, because they IMPROVED their effeciency?

00:05 <zombie67> BAH

00:10 <zombie67> there is a REAL problem with LHC and SZTAKI

00:11 <zombie67> every time I have a machine with a few results ready to return, I see that the Status says communication deferred for 30_+ hours.

00:11 <zombie67> 30+

00:13 <zombie67> ooh!  more cels work!

00:14 <PovAddict> :O

00:14 <PovAddict> I'll attach :)

00:14 <Romulus> maybe if I click on rosetta

00:14 <PovAddict> or try to

00:14 <zombie67> 200 in WIP

00:14 <zombie67> I got 10 of them, or 5%

00:15 <zombie67> the admin learned to dribble out the work, with as big as it is

00:15 <PovAddict> argh

00:15 <PovAddict> I tabbed my way to the BOINC manager tray icon

00:15 <zombie67> heh:

00:15 <Romulus> <> (at

00:15 <PovAddict> and Windows moved the mouse cursor there

00:15 <PovAddict> now I get the mgr balloon popup...

00:15 <PovAddict> repeatedly...

00:16 <zombie67> no a fan of the BOINC balloon pop=up

00:17 <PovAddict> 14/03/2008 02:16:25|Cels@Home|[sched_op_debug] Reason: no work from project

00:18 <PovAddict> (still mouse-less! manager GUI is completely usable but quite annoying to use)

00:18 <zombie67> yeah, 0 to send, but 200 in WIP

00:18 <PovAddict> of course I'm using accessible view, not grid view

00:18 <PovAddict> oh WIP

00:18 <PovAddict> I missed all then? :(

00:18 <zombie67> guess so

00:18 <zombie67> but more likely to follow

00:18 <zombie67> like I said, trickle

00:18 <PovAddict> well I just attached...

00:19 <zombie67> need to build up some debt

00:19 <PovAddict> I *am* asking for decent amounts of work

00:19 <PovAddict> just getting none :)

00:19 <zombie67> but the frequency of asking is effected by debt, right?

00:19 <zombie67> or at least the order of asking?

00:20 <PovAddict> maybe...

00:20 <zombie67> IWO, it asks for work from the project with the biggest debt first

00:20 <zombie67> then the next largest, and so on

00:21 <zombie67> I do NOT like that debt does not accrue on a project with no work (after a certain anount of time)....I think that's how it works now

00:21 <PovAddict> <- mockup of a debt editor :)

00:21 <Romulus> Title: Debt tweaking (at

00:22 <PovAddict> those are my actual current debts btw

00:22 <zombie67> jumbled

00:22 <PovAddict> yup

00:22 <PovAddict> drag :)

00:23 <PovAddict> do you think that's a good way to change project debts?

00:24 <zombie67> i don't understand what I am looking at.  still trying to unscramble

00:24 <Romulus> from the ops interface, right?

00:25 <zombie67> change how?

00:31 <PovAddict> what client version?

00:31 <zombie67> huh?

00:31 <PovAddict> oh sorry, I mixed something up

00:31 <PovAddict> well you have all projects scrambled there

00:31 <PovAddict> the number between brackets is the long term debt

00:31 <PovAddict> note the position of the project on that mess is relative to the debt

00:31 <PovAddict> poem is quite negative

00:32 <zombie67> yes, there is one at each end, with a mess in the middle

00:32 <zombie67> unreadible

00:32 <PovAddict> so the idea is, to change a project debt, click and drag a project :)

00:32 <zombie67> oh, I was clicking and dragging just to be able to read

00:33 <zombie67> and one line wont drage

00:33 <zombie67> drag

00:33 <PovAddict> I still didn't add any useful code like changing the debt relative to where you dragged it

00:33 <PovAddict> the line that won't drag is the midpoint?

00:33 <zombie67> yeah

00:33 <PovAddict> that's just to mark where zero is

00:33 <zombie67> but it is ON TOP of stuff I want to drag

00:33 <PovAddict> so you know where to move a project if you want it positive (and fetching work)

00:33 <PovAddict> hmm

00:34 <zombie67> I like the idea

00:34 * PovAddict goes to CSS spec

00:34 <zombie67> but better would be

00:34 <zombie67> something that looked like an equalizer

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00:34 <zombie67> one slider for each project

00:35 <PovAddict> thing is, moving one moves the rest

00:35 <zombie67> no

00:35 <zombie67> they all move independently

00:35 <PovAddict> on my crappy mockup, yes

00:35 <zombie67> ah, that is what you WANT to happen

00:36 <PovAddict> but when you change a project debt, the core client will promptly adjust them all so that the average is always zero

00:36 <PovAddict> I'm not communicating with the core client, nor doing such correction myself for display purposes

00:36 <zombie67> yes, they are under the midpoint, both for FF and safari

00:37 <PovAddict> refresh

00:37 <zombie67> the only way to get them out, is to select the far right part of the test, which sticks out from the midpoint test

00:37 <zombie67> ding!

00:38 <zombie67> text is what I meant to write both times

00:38 <zombie67> not test

00:38 <PovAddict> midpoint is now at the back, so it won't bother when trying to drag

00:38 <zombie67> the the scale needs to be log

00:39 <zombie67> so that the middle cluster is more spread out

00:39 <PovAddict> it's just bad luck they are currently clustered

00:39 <PovAddict> hold on, I'll get poem to a more decent debt

00:40 <PovAddict> refresh

00:40 <zombie67> no!

00:40 <PovAddict> note poem is at -1000.000000

00:40 <zombie67> that really happens

00:40 <PovAddict> the client will shortly correct for that

00:40 <PovAddict> there, correction done

00:40 <zombie67> do you understand what I mean by log?

00:40 <PovAddict> yes I do

00:40 <zombie67> okay

00:41 <zombie67> so that cluster will happen in real life

00:41 <zombie67> so a gui must account

00:41 <zombie67> heh  now cluster at top

00:41 <PovAddict> currently I haven't even solved the problem of mapping pixel positions back to debts

00:41 <zombie67> ah

00:41 <PovAddict> in a linear scale

00:41 <PovAddict> not like it's hard

00:41 <PovAddict> I just didn't spend much time on it :)

00:42 <zombie67> I DO like the idea!

00:42 <PovAddict> and anyway, this is just a cheap mockup

00:42 <zombie67> like for when IMP sends out work

00:42 <zombie67> much easier to turn the debt dial

00:42 <PovAddict> ...that MTughan might implement for real in Cocoa :)

00:42 <zombie67> than trying to suspend 60 projects

00:44 <zombie67> the current work around is to turn up resource share.  but then it still takes time to work up the debt!

00:44 <zombie67> just go directly to the right thing

00:46 <zombie67> I really want a way to say:  Do project A exclusively unless you run out of work, or unless a downloaded task for another project is about to be late.

00:46 <PovAddict> such flexibility is probably only possible with a scripting language

00:46 <PovAddict> ie. for the user to basically write his own scheduler

00:47 <Romulus> well congrats on th 8M wdsmia =)

00:58 <PovAddict> I wonder if Javascript would be appropriate

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01:05 <zombie67> the einstein optimized (SSE*) app has now been made the stock app

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01:06 <zombie67> that means the intel OSX app will be WAY faster than the stock win app

01:06 <zombie67> it should be this way at all projects

01:06 <PovAddict> why

01:08 <zombie67> OSX/Intel has no need for legacy support

01:08 <zombie67> the first chip supports SSE3

01:08 <PovAddict> it should really send SSE3 apps to chips supporting it, even on win :)

01:08 <zombie67> should

01:09 <zombie67> but doesn't can't

01:09 <zombie67> that problem is not there for osx/intel

01:09 <zombie67> so by default, most projects SHOULD run faster with osx/intel apps

01:10 <zombie67> but the admins are ignorant I think

01:10 <zombie67> they apply win/linux thinking to OSX

01:11 <PovAddict> heh I should plug the mouse back in...

01:11 <zombie67> getting frustrated, eh?

01:11 <PovAddict> nope

01:12 <PovAddict> if my mom tries to use the computer tomorrow before I wake up...

01:12 <zombie67> ah!

01:12 <zombie67> good call

01:13 <zombie67> funny how the non-geeks get frustrated and blame the local help

01:13 <zombie67> did you see this?

01:13 <zombie67>

01:13 <Romulus> Title: Penny Arcade! - The Case Of Texas vs. KryoLord (at

01:13 <zombie67> or this?

01:13 <zombie67>

01:13 <Romulus> Title: Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams (at

01:24 <PovAddict> primegrid 24-hour race tomorrow

01:26 <PovAddict> 30k on simap!

01:26 <PovAddict> I just noticed

01:40 <zombie67> 30k on simap?

01:41 <zombie67> 30k what?

01:41 <zombie67> "The project has currently no work (see below)."

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02:04 <Wabbit98> its mw

02:05 <mweltin> wabbity

02:05 <mweltin> I think I got it worked out.

02:05 <mweltin> I'm running a few more tests.

02:05 <mweltin> I also got the green light to install boincmgr on my GF's laptop.

02:05 <mweltin> yeah

02:05 <mweltin> brb.

02:05 <Wabbit98> I wonder what froze up my BOINC eariler today

02:06 <mweltin> cold weather

02:06 <mweltin> or it just doesn't like you.

02:06 <mweltin> brb

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02:07 <Wabbit98> might have been Project Neuron

02:12 <zombie67> hi mweltin

02:12 <zombie67> brb too

02:15 <zombie67> back

02:16 <Wabbit98> wb

02:21 <zombie67> wabbit, which country are you in?  not aussie too?

02:21 <Wabbit98> USA

02:21 <Wabbit98> thought we had covered I live about 90 miles away from you

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04:10 <CoderForLife> moanin' any and all

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04:22 <CoderForLife> APOD is pretty stunning

04:22 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

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05:17 <mweltin> blah blah blah blah

05:20 <desti> you found the right words

05:23 <CoderForLife> hi - good bye - off to w@#%

05:23 * KathrynM is back (gone 05:48:06)

05:24 <mweltin> hey KathrynM

05:24 <KathrynM> mweltin!

05:27 <mweltin> tried my first wxWidgets app today

05:27 <KathrynM> how did it go?

05:27 <mweltin> GUI's are nothing but a pain in the ass.  I got it working but it was way way way too much effort for a app that does nothing but have an about and exit menu option.

05:28 <KathrynM> Better you than me.  I'd throw things across the room if I tried.

05:28 <mweltin> I don't get that mad often.  I found out the ACO code needs more work than I thought too.

05:29 <KathrynM> :(

05:29 <mweltin> it's good code, but the timer is all f'ed up.

05:29 <KathrynM> oh ouch

05:29 <mweltin> I kept getting different answers when running wiht the same RNG seed.

05:29 <KathrynM> that makes validation a tad difficult

05:30 <mweltin> turned out to be the timer.  I had to disable that, and things are working, but it took two days.  When I ran stuff in gdb everythign worked perectly.

05:31 <KathrynM> of course.

05:31 <KathrynM> Murphey's law

05:31 <mweltin> I'd single step code so the timer would always time out, and then reinit the ant colony, but when it ran on its own I'd get different values.  They would always start the same, but running two instances side by side woudl never finish the same.

05:31 <mweltin> two days gone!

05:32 <KathrynM> Did you get to do any diving?

05:33 <mweltin> there is always time for diving.

05:33 <KathrynM> :)

05:33 <mweltin> I'll make time for that.

05:34 <mweltin> Took out two new divers tuesday, on a dive with lots of surge, well more than I expected.

05:34 <mweltin> one woman has only been diving 7 times, and the other guy is just getting back into diving after taking a few years off.

05:35 <KathrynM> I'm gathering it was interesting for them

05:35 <mweltin> I don't like the surface swim, but on the way back they had used up most of their air.

05:35 <KathrynM> that would be a bad thing

05:36 <mweltin> we had to surface early and surface swim accross the ava.  They could have made it but they would have had 300lbs of air left.

05:36 <mweltin> 500 is very low, and for new divers I just didn't think it was worth the risk.

05:37 <KathrynM> definitely not

05:38 <mweltin> I still had plenty of air, but I knew the surge was coming.  It's fine once you realize the sugre takes you back and forth.  so if you dont' fight it you will end up more or less where you stared.

05:38 <KathrynM> that just sounds scary to me

05:38 <mweltin> just new divers tend to fight the surge and use up air fast

05:38 <Romulus> i bloody wish I would be if you need a Global Heat Distribution Network

05:39 <KathrynM> oh for pete's sake, shut up Romulus

05:39 <mweltin> it is unilt you realize that its not

05:40 <KathrynM> i'm a chicken deep down inside

05:41 <mweltin> there are two reasons I'm a good diver.

05:42 <mweltin> my ignorance keeps me from an early panic, and its really a lot like meditation.

05:43 <KathrynM> I'm sure there are more reasons than that :)

05:43 <mweltin> that and I dive all the time.

05:43 <KathrynM> practice practice practice3

05:43 <mweltin> yup

05:47 <xcamel> mornin

05:47 <mweltin> x

05:47 <KathrynM> evenin

05:59 <mweltin> MTughan, ?

06:05 * KathrynM sighs

06:06 <KathrynM> I've been going around in circles for the last 15 minutes trying to figure out why a task isn't running under cron.

06:06 <KathrynM> could it be because I commented out the line in my crontab?

06:06 <KathrynM> gah I'm an idiot

06:06 * KathrynM updates crontab and waits for the task to run

06:07 <mweltin> well it only took 15 min

06:07 <mweltin> thats not bad

06:08 <KathrynM> It's the whole "well duh" thing

06:13 <CoderForLife> on the rims and out the door

06:13 <CoderForLife> cya

06:19 <mweltin> well if it's not one thing its another

06:19 <mweltin> assimilator doesnt work right now either.

06:20 <mweltin> is the sample_assimilator.C the one used by Uppercase example?

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06:28 <hawmps> re-hi

06:28 <mweltin> hey

06:28 <hawmps> ip kill >>

06:29 <hawmps> ip kill >>

06:30 <KathrynM> 222.... my neck of the woods

06:31 <mweltin> someone not playing nice I take it.

06:33 <hawmps> per usual..

06:34 <hawmps> {NNTN} Maui drivers watch gas prices reach $4

06:34 <mweltin> we are almost there as well.

06:37 <mweltin> how do I make sure if I create 4 results each host will only see one ?

06:38 <KathrynM>

06:38 <Romulus> <> (at

06:38 <KathrynM> <one_result_per_host_per_wu/>

06:38 <mweltin> one_result_per_user_per_wu

06:39 <KathrynM> user = person

06:39 <KathrynM> host = computer

06:39 <mweltin> that won't work because I'm using the same user for bothhosts

06:39 <KathrynM> yeah, one_result_per_host_per_wu

06:40 * KathrynM wishes there were anchors on that page.......

06:40 <mweltin> sweet

06:40 <KathrynM> about half way down

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06:40 <KathrynM> does any project serious use one result per user?

06:40 <KathrynM> *seriously

06:41 <mweltin> I dont know what other projects do, I'm too busy to even be crunching my own project.

06:42 <mweltin> I really need to attach to that again.

06:42 <KathrynM> :)

06:42 <KathrynM> let me know when you've got some aco ready to run.  I'll try them out.

06:42 <KathrynM> no pressure or anything ;)

06:42 <mweltin> so is that a one liner?

06:42 <mweltin> <one_result_per_host_per_wu/>

06:42 <KathrynM> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

06:42 <mweltin> with the / at the end

06:43 * KathrynM is blissfully ignornat of the inner workings of boinc server software

06:43 <mweltin> I don't need <one)_balh> 1 </one_blah>

06:43 <mweltin> hahah

06:43 <KathrynM> I know what a few things are called.

06:43 <KathrynM> But that's about it

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06:46 <mweltin> that did it

06:46 <mweltin> now lets see if different hosts can validate

06:47 <KathrynM> woo hoo

06:47 <mweltin> I gotta go to bed after this.

06:47 <mweltin> diving tomorrow

06:47 <mweltin> adn Saturday I'm going where there should be a bunhc of eagle rays.

06:48 <mweltin> taht would be cool if I saw one of those.

06:48 <KathrynM> have fun tomorrow.

06:48 <KathrynM> I'm sleeping.

06:48 <KathrynM> And resting my voice.

06:48 <mweltin> F

06:49 <mweltin> newline char from windows and linux cause an error

06:49 <mweltin> mother f'er

06:49 <mweltin> yoyo told me how to fix it too.

06:50 <mweltin> doesn't matter

06:50 <mweltin> night all

06:50 <KathrynM> night

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08:33 <CoderForLife> I'll see your ipkills, hawmps, and raise you a plink

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08:59 <hawmps>

09:00 <Romulus> <> (at

09:07 <wdsmia_w> will it pop popcorn?

09:09 <sethy> maybe a big bowl

09:10 * wdsmia_w thinks that sethy has never seen the movie

09:10 <sethy> which one?

09:10 <Romulus> Somebody said which one is giving you headaches, sethy

09:14 <wdsmia_w>

09:14 <Romulus> Title: Real Genius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

09:38 <hawmps> will it blend?

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09:51 <KhadorMech> Anyone up for a newbie question?

09:51 <KathrynM> shoot

09:51 * PovAddict gives up on DarkRoom game

09:52 <KathrynM> oh goody... PovAddict, the resident genius, is here :)

09:52 <KhadorMech> I'm working on Rosetta@home

09:52 <PovAddict> KathrynM: maybe you want to try it out?

09:52 <Romulus> Title: DarkRoom.swf (at

09:52 <KhadorMech> and it keeps creating two tabs at the top of my window (running osx client).

09:52 <KathrynM> It's almost 11pm...  am I going to regret clicking on that link?

09:53 <KhadorMech> Does that represent just multiple cores working at once, or is that a misconfig on my part

09:53 <KhadorMech> I want to be as efficient as possible

09:53 <PovAddict> KhadorMech: if you have a dualcore, yes that's two workunits running at once

09:54 <KhadorMech> Is there any way to force it to run both cores on the same datafile?

09:54 <PovAddict> nope, that would need quite a rewrite of the Rosetta application... if the algorithm is suitable to multiple cores at all

09:54 <PovAddict> *and* lots of changes to BOINC itself (which is being "planned")

09:55 <KathrynM> oye.  that's quite the discussion going on in the lists

09:55 <KhadorMech> Gotcha.  That works.  Team ftw!

09:55 <KhadorMech> It's just nice to know I'm not messing something up.  Thanks PA

09:56 <KathrynM> PovAddict, that's totally making me motion sick

09:56 <KathrynM> and what's the point of it?

10:00 <PovAddict> lol

10:00 <PovAddict> there is a button on a corner of the cube

10:01 <PovAddict> which takes you to a different "room"

10:01 <PovAddict> which room depends on the color of the button

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10:02 <PovAddict> if you click on the yellow and red circles on the sides of the cube, that triangle button will be orange (and take you to the orange room)

10:02 <PovAddict> I have no idea exactly what you have to do on each room :)

10:02 <KathrynM> :)

10:02 <PovAddict> might take days to figure out all :)

10:02 * CoderForLife feels sick

10:02 <PovAddict> Microsoft confirms Windows 7 for 2010

10:02 <KathrynM> my attention span doesn't last that long

10:02 <PovAddict> (Plus or minus five years)

10:03 <KathrynM> heh

10:03 <Romulus> Oh MTughan one more message?

10:03 <KhadorMech> In other news MS confirmed usable Vista for 2020

10:04 * KathrynM gives Fedora a loving look

10:04 <CoderForLife> users will refuse to migrate off XP SP14

10:04 <KathrynM> :D

10:05 <CoderForLife> should we leave you two alone, KathrynM?

10:05 <KathrynM> Nah.  More fun with an audiance

10:06 * KathrynM wonders how long before she gets kicked off the channel

10:06 <CoderForLife> based on what's covered in detail on the evening news lately, you're quite safe

10:06 <KathrynM> It's nice not watching US news.

10:07 <CoderForLife> I thought suddenly I had been subscribed to an adult channel

10:08 <CoderForLife> ABC = Adult Broadcasting Channel

10:08 <PovAddict> the erected gov

10:08 <PovAddict> elected*

10:09 <CoderForLife> CBS = Children Banned Service

10:09 <hawmps> ip kill again >>

10:09 <CoderForLife> you're a favorite target, hawmps

10:10 <CoderForLife> >plink<

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10:24 <MTughan> Rommie... STFU.

10:25 <wdsmia_w> lol

10:29 <KathrynM> night all

10:29 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

10:30 <MTughan> Night? I just woke up about 20 minutes ago.

10:30 <desti> heh

10:30 * KathrynM is back (gone 00:01:22)

10:30 <PovAddict> well she's on the arse end of the world

10:30 <KathrynM> or not

10:30 <desti> bad dreams?

10:30 <KathrynM> I've gotta wait for the hot water to heat up for a shower

10:31 <KathrynM> why waste gas running it all the time?

10:31 <Romulus> yeah bind runs nice tho as long as it allows you to the touch idea!!

10:31 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge today!

10:31 <PovAddict>

10:31 <Romulus> <> (at

10:31 <PovAddict> starting in around 10 hours

10:31 <desti> using cold water is much more climate friendly :-)

10:32 <KathrynM> but oh so cold

10:32 <PovAddict> desti: but then you still use up water, and water is a limited resource

10:32 <PovAddict> better not shower

10:32 <MTughan> Cold showers can be nice.

10:32 <desti> in summer

10:32 <KathrynM> when it's 100F outside :)

10:32 <MTughan> PovAddict: Water is a limited resource? 70% of the planet is water.

10:32 <KathrynM> but not when it's 40 and I have a cold

10:32 <desti> of the surface

10:33 <MTughan> The problem is piping it places.

10:33 <desti> most of the planet are stones :-/

10:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: you go take the salt out of it

10:33 <MTughan> There are ways.

10:33 <PovAddict> cheap ways?

10:33 <MTughan> Maybe not quick ways...

10:34 <PovAddict> lunch ->

10:34 <MTughan> Bye.

10:36 <sethy> hey people

10:38 <MTughan> 'lo sethy

10:38 <sethy> how be you sir?

10:39 <MTughan> Pretty good...

10:39 <MTughan> Do you know if PG was planning Mac apps at any time?

10:39 <sethy> Prime?

10:40 <MTughan> PrimeGrid, yeah.

10:40 <sethy> not that i know of

10:40 <sethy> sorry

10:41 <sethy> 13 days and i'm on 1mil credit :D

10:51 <MTughan> According to BOINCStats, It's gonna be March 2011 before I reach 1m.

10:53 <wdsmia_w> 65 days to 9M for me

10:56 <wdsmia_w> time to take backups off-site bbl

10:58 <MTughan> &math convert 138.72 days to months

10:58 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.55763327884

10:58 <MTughan> BS says that many months for 100K.

10:59 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

10:59 <MTughan> Hmm...

10:59 <MTughan> &math convert 12 months to years

10:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 1

10:59 <Romulus> better than the new didn't leave

10:59 <MTughan> Okay, so it does know that.

10:59 <MTughan> &math convert 1 month to days

10:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 30.4368498984

10:59 <MTughan> &math calc 365 / 12

10:59 <Romulus> MTughan: 30.4166666667

11:00 <MTughan> &math calc 365.24 / 12

11:00 <Romulus> MTughan: 30.4366666667

11:00 <MTughan> &math calc 365.25 / 12

11:00 <Romulus> MTughan: 30.4375

11:00 <MTughan> Somewhere in there.

11:02 <MTughan> &math calc 365.242198781 / 12

11:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 30.4368498984

11:02 <MTughan> From the Math plugin directly.

11:05 <MTughan> &math calc 1 "calendar year" to days

11:05 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

11:05 <MTughan> &math convert 1 "calendar year" to days

11:05 <Romulus> MTughan: 365

11:05 <MTughan> &math units time

11:05 <Romulus> MTughan: time units: s, sec, second, ms, millisecond, microsecond, ns, nanosecond, minute, min, hour, hr, bell, watch, watches, day, week, wk, fortnight, month, year, yr, calendar year, decade, century, centuries, millennium, millennia

11:05 <MTughan> &math units scheduling

11:05 <Romulus> MTughan: scheduling units: man hour, man week, man month, man year

11:06 <MTughan> A man week is defined as 40 man hours.

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12:20 <PovAddict> &math convert 24 hours to seconds

12:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: 86400

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12:38 <Lorvija> Any good ideas what food to get for friday evening? something good..

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13:17 <PovAddic1> I just made Rytis waste like 10 minutes trying to figure out why I was getting no PSP sieve workunits on PrimeGrid

13:17 <PovAddic1> problem was I had anonymous platform, with only llrTSP application

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13:18 <PovAddict>

13:18 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 942604 (at

13:23 <MTughan_> lol

13:23 <MTughan_> Also, I've attached to PG for now for the contest. Although I won't really be participating, I can contribute to the overall goal.

13:24 <PovAddict> I needed anonymous platform, since I was running a newer version of the TPS wrapper

13:24 <MTughan_> Got 5 tasks done already...

13:24 <PovAddict> compiled with a newer BOINC API, so it supports starting the external graphics app on v5 clients

13:24 <MTughan_> When does the competition actually start again?

13:24 <PovAddict> in 6 or 8 hours

13:24 <MTughan_> Midnight GMT, right?

13:24 <PovAddict> 00:00 UTC

13:25 <MTughan_> I think I'm -4 UTC at this point...

13:25 <PovAddict> "select *only* the PSP sieve in your PrimeGrid preferences section"

13:25 <MTughan_> Oh, I was crunching everything...

13:25 <PovAddict> PSP sieve is the only app for the competition

13:25 <PovAddict>

13:25 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:45 <sethy> anyone watching?

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13:47 <MTughan_> I'm here.

13:47 <sethy> any good with javascript?

13:47 <PovAddict> depends

13:47 <MTughan_> Yeah, why?

13:47 <PovAddict> are you talking about the javascript language alone, or all the mess involved in using it with a webpage?

13:48 <sethy> document.text = '#00CC00';    << is valid?

13:48 <PovAddict> noes

13:48 <MTughan_> Technically it is. But it doesn't set the color of the text.

13:48 <PovAddict> you want all the text to have a different color?

13:48 <sethy> onmouseOver

13:48 <sethy> hold

13:49 <MTughan_> Well, if document has an attribute text too... I don't remember.

13:49 <PovAddict> *all* the text of the page?

13:49 <sethy> << view soure - you will see what i am up to

13:49 <PovAddict> if it loads

13:49 <PovAddict> &web size

13:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: <> is 458 bytes long.

13:49 <PovAddict> loads for Romulus! :<

13:50 <MTughan_> Loads here too.

13:50 <PovAddict> bleh

13:50 <PovAddict> *proxy*

13:50 <MTughan_> sethy: You want the text to change colour or the whole page?

13:50 <sethy> pov fails?

13:50 <sethy> the page changes color

13:50 <sethy> i want the text change color when the page changes

13:50 <MTughan_> Ah...

13:50 <sethy> notice functions

13:50 <PovAddict> can't load with a proxy either?

13:50 <Romulus> on this server? yeah if you haven't

13:50 <MTughan_> Try document.fgColor.

13:51 <MTughan_> Pov: I'll post it here, what he has.

13:51 <PovAddict> try'#00CC00'

13:51 <PovAddict> pastebin

13:51 <MTughan_> Ah, that's what I was thinking of...

13:51 <sethy> works now

13:51 <sethy> mucho gracias MTughan

13:51 <MTughan_>

13:51 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 942643 (at

13:52 <MTughan_> Pov's way is more standard's compliant though.

13:52 <sethy> i am never standards compliant

13:52 <PovAddict> fgColor works??

13:52 <sethy> fgColor works

13:52 <MTughan_> That was a wild stab actually...

13:53 <sethy> it works though :D

13:53 <MTughan_> I remember from Java, where you have backgroundColor and foregroundColor attributes.

13:54 <MTughan_> Also, you might find this useful:

13:54 <Romulus> <> (at

13:54 <MTughan_> It's a JS keyword ref. Shows objects and their attributes.

13:54 <MTughan_> Well, more JS for HTML than JS alone.

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13:57 <sethy> i need to make text like, el massive now

14:01 <sethy> css doesnt work

14:02 <PovAddict> wrong css doesn't work :)

14:02 <sethy> i changed <font> to <p>

14:02 <Romulus> poem is quite negative

14:02 <sethy> class="you"

14:03 <PovAddict> and?

14:03 <Romulus> Rumor has it and is with no internet for like a month, PovAddict

14:03 <MTughan_> I'm remaking the page.

14:03 <PovAddict> let the noob do it

14:03 <PovAddict> er

14:03 <sethy> up yours

14:04 <PovAddict> &math calc (2**32)-500000000

14:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3794967296

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14:11 <MTughan_> Hmm... PovAddict: I'm not seeing a

14:12 <MTughan_> Oops, wrong thing... :P

14:12 <PovAddict> DOMDocuments don't have a 'style'

14:12 <PovAddict> HTMLElements do, and document.body is one of them

14:12 <MTughan_> I just saw what you wrote.

14:15 <MTughan_> sethy: Try this.

14:15 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 942688 (at

14:16 <MTughan_> PovAddict: I know I still have the table in there, not sure what to replace it with.

14:16 <PovAddict> wtf is v.align :)

14:16 <MTughan_> He had it in there.

14:16 <MTughan_> It works.

14:16 <PovAddict> should be valign

14:16 <MTughan_> I think it's supposed to be valign, but the HTML parser ignores it.

14:17 <Romulus> I'm going to regret clicking on that reflective note, I'm going to St Thomas

14:17 <MTughan_> valign works as well.

14:17 <sethy> if it works, no need to change it

14:18 <MTughan_> My screen can display text sizes up to 400pt.

14:18 <PovAddict> it works on what browser? :)

14:18 <MTughan_> About that anyway. 500 is too big.

14:18 <MTughan_> I tested using Camino and Firefox.

14:18 <PovAddict> each browser attempts to interpret invalid code in a different way

14:19 <MTughan_> Both FF and Camino interpret the code the right way.

14:19 <MTughan_> So does WebKit (AKA Safari).

14:19 <PovAddict> there is no right way to interpret wrong code

14:19 <MTughan_> Okay, the intended way.

14:19 <PovAddict> libreadmind

14:20 <MTughan_> lol...

14:20 <MTughan_> They probably did a regex on the code or something and found that valign was really close, so applied that.

14:23 <PovAddict> I can't find any good cross-browser way to center vertically

14:23 <PovAddict> so leave the table

14:23 <PovAddict> <- IE doesn't support display:table-cell

14:23 <Romulus> <> (at

14:24 <MTughan_> I could make a way in JS.

14:27 <PovAddict>

14:28 <MTughan_> Nice...

14:28 <PovAddict> obviously message is for other type of computer

14:30 <PovAddict> done in 2 minuets

14:31 <PovAddict> minutes*

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14:40 <MTughan_> Well, the JS isn't exactly the prettiest, but it's valid HTML 4.01 Transitional, according to W3's validator.

14:40 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 942730 (at

14:41 <PovAddict> ew

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14:41 <MTughan_> 'lo mw

14:41 <PovAddict> I'd leave the table

14:41 <MTughan_> rofl

14:41 <mweltin> hey MTughan PovAddict

14:41 <mweltin> how goes it

14:41 <MTughan_> PovAddict: If you want to know, it's because of IE once again.

14:41 <MTughan_> mweltin: What do you think of the JS? xD

14:41 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 942730 (at

14:42 <PovAddict> MTughan: ##konfabulator

14:42 <MTughan_> I saw.

14:42 <mweltin> I have one last thing to tweak but I forgot how to do it.

14:42 <hawmps> ip kill >>

14:42 <Romulus> 37F at the expense of some sort.

14:43 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Ideally, I'd just have to use window.innerWidth and window.innerHeight, but IE screws everything up.

14:44 <mweltin> what do I think of JS?  good question.  Ajax is nice candy, but browser side technologies are usually not worth the effort.

14:45 <mweltin> so back to my question.

14:45 <mweltin> what do I use with fprinf so that new lines are the same in unix and dos?

14:45 <mweltin> 0x0a or soemthing?

14:46 <MTughan_> \n

14:46 <mweltin> nope

14:46 <PovAddict> yes

14:46 <PovAddict> the problem is elsewhere

14:46 <PovAddict> is this on fprintf when writing to a file?

14:46 <mweltin> I have to cruse I'll be right back.

14:46 <mweltin> yes

14:46 <PovAddict> how are you opening the file?

14:46 <mweltin> I'll be back

14:46 <PovAddict> k

14:46 <mweltin> fopen

14:47 <PovAddict> paste whole line calling fopen (when you're back)

14:47 <MTughan_> 0x0a is \v apparently.

14:47 <MTughan_> 0x0d is \n.

14:47 <PovAddict> I thought 0a was \r

14:47 <MTughan_> Not according to my C book.

14:48 * PovAddict asks wikipedia

14:48 <MTughan_> Printed 2004.

14:49 <PovAddict> decimal 10, hex 0A, abbr LF, \n, Line feed

14:49 <PovAddict> decimal 11, hex 0B, abbr VT, \v, Vertical tab

14:49 <PovAddict> decimal 13, hex 0D, abbr CR, \r, Carriage return

14:49 <MTughan_> Huh...

14:49 <MTughan_> I don't have anything for 0B. So it must be a typo or a change.

14:49 <PovAddict> 12 is 0x0C, form feed; rarely used, just like vertical tab

14:50 <MTughan_> 0C does have form feed, \f.

14:50 <PovAddict> "Work on ASCII began in 1960. The first edition of the standard was published in 1963, a major revision in 1967, and the most recent update in 1986."

14:50 <MTughan_> So typo then.

14:50 <sethy> 0E & 0F ?

14:50 <PovAddict> sethy:

14:50 <MTughan_> I have nothing from 0E to 19.

14:50 <Romulus> <> (at

14:53 <sethy> ?_?

15:14 <MTughan_> Oh, I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but it is helpful at times.

15:14 <MTughan_> In the BOINC Manager select computer dialog, you have a field for a username and a field for a password, right?

15:15 <MTughan_> Both are blank at the beginning. But if I type something in the computer field (sorry for the typo before), then erase it back to nothing, the password field gets filled in.

15:15 <MTughan_> I think it's with the gui_rpc_auth.cfg contents on the local system, but it could be the last password used. They're the same, so I can't tell.

15:16 <PovAddict> open select computer

15:16 <PovAddict> type 'localhost'

15:16 <MTughan_> Because I have the same password on both my P4 and my Mac, I just enter something in, erase it, then type in the final machine I want. No password req'd.

15:43 <mweltin> MTughan, how is the xcode boinc manager going?

15:43 <mweltin> did you see my feature request?

15:43 <MTughan_> For the messages? I saw it.

15:44 <MTughan_> There could a problem with that though. It's the core client that reads cc_config.xml, not the GUI manager.

15:44 <MTughan_> I can filter messages for a debugging level, but the core client would have to already be configured to send all those messages.

15:44 <PovAddict> there is a RPC for "read cc_config again" so you could edit the file and send that

15:44 <mweltin> ahh

15:45 <MTughan_> And if it's on a remote machine?

15:45 <PovAddict> you're screwed

15:45 <PovAddict> that's what happens

15:45 <PovAddict> :)

15:45 <mweltin> mmmmm well more problems than i raelized.

15:46 <mweltin> so PovAddict I use fopen to open the file when I write to it, and when I open it Iuse an ifstream::in

15:47 <PovAddict> ...huh

15:47 <mweltin> I assume its how I open it when I read it, is the problem

15:47 <PovAddict> fopen and iostreams are like... one or the other

15:47 <PovAddict> you're using one to read and one to write?

15:47 <mweltin> aco opens a file to write to it, and my assimilator uses an ifstream

15:47 <PovAddict> ok

15:48 <PovAddict> fopen(filename, "wb")

15:48 <PovAddict> b is for binary

15:48 <PovAddict> in text mode, the implementation is free to do newline conversion or whatever else it feels like doing

15:48 <PovAddict> in binary mode, bytes must get to the file unmodified

15:48 <PovAddict> if you use just "w", you'll be in text mode

15:49 <PovAddict> and Windows converts \n to \r\n

15:49 <mweltin> sweeet!!

15:50 <mweltin> I'm going to get my GF's old mac.  I'll have a full on test environment then.

15:50 <mweltin> a linux box, win box, and a mac muahahaha muuhahaha

15:50 <MTughan_> I already have that.

15:50 <PovAddict> and for a ifstream, use ifstream::in | ifstream::binary

15:50 <PovAddict>

15:50 <Romulus> <> (at

15:53 <xcamel> 'lo

15:53 <MTughan_> Hey Jay.

15:53 <xcamel> Hi Mike

15:56 <xcamel> still need someone who knows python to fix the damn weather plugin

15:56 <MTughan_> I was ready to do that, but I didn't get which one was wrong from you.

15:56 <PovAddict> #supybot?

15:57 <MTughan_> Here we go... xcamel: Which one needs fixing, and what's the right URL?

15:57 <MTughan_> &list Weather

15:57 <Romulus> MTughan_: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss

15:58 <xcamel> wunder rss is broken

15:58 <MTughan_> Odd, I traced that one all the way through...

15:58 <MTughan_> &wunder rss Toronto

15:58 <Romulus> MTughan_: Error: No such location could be found.

15:59 <xcamel> the only think I can think of is that somehow the format of the page changed

15:59 <PovAddict> &help wunder

15:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

15:59 <PovAddict> &help wunder rss

15:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: (wunder rss <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

15:59 <MTughan_> Same on both bots.

15:59 <MTughan_> Well, what URL did you find?

15:59 <MTughan_> I've got here.

15:59 <Romulus> <> (at

16:00 <xcamel> that is correct

16:00 <MTughan_> &urlquote Toronto, Ontario

16:00 <Romulus> MTughan_: Toronto%2C%20Ontario

16:00 <xcamel> however, they also have now

16:00 <PovAddict>

16:00 <Romulus> <> (at

16:01 <MTughan_> No, it picks up the RSS from the page dynamically.

16:01 <xcamel> that returns it in rss/xml

16:01 <Romulus> for a very good idea (:

16:01 <xcamel> and the bot subsection uses '' to parse it

16:03 <xcamel> rom's weather plugin was set to use wunder rss as the default

16:03 <xcamel> cnn and hame don't work anymore either, iirc

16:03 <MTughan_> &wunder rss Toronto, Ontario

16:03 <Romulus> MTughan_: Error: No such location could be found.

16:03 <xcamel> er 'ham'even

16:04 <xcamel> is looking for a specific return string to determine if the url is right, I think.

16:04 * xcamel is not a programmer..

16:06 <mweltin> you are cooler than I MTughan

16:06 <mweltin> bu we already knew that.

16:06 <mweltin> brb

16:06 <mweltin> b

16:06 <mweltin> so is Xcode an IDE or what?

16:06 <PovAddict> that was fast

16:06 <PovAddict> yes Xcode is an IDE

16:06 <PovAddict> for Mac

16:07 <mweltin> ls

16:07 <mweltin> wow whole island was down for a few min

16:07 <mweltin> is it like Eclipse where it's all plugin based?  Or does it just have waht it has.

16:08 <mweltin> for example the text editor, is it vim or emacs or something different?

16:08 <MTughan_> I don't know about plugins, but it does support some.

16:08 <MTughan_> Hold on...

16:08 <mweltin> compiler choices?

16:08 <MTughan_> Configurable. I could tell it to use icc.

16:08 <MTughan_> Default is GCC 4.01 though.

16:09 <PovAddict> mweltin: IDEs never let you choose the text editor

16:09 <PovAddict> an IDE *is* a text editor with lots of tools around :)

16:09 <mweltin> I wrote my first wxWidgets app yesterday.  I found the "programming cross platform gui's with wxWidgets" book online.

16:09 <mweltin> Eclipse does

16:09 <MTughan_>

16:09 <Romulus> <> (at

16:09 <PovAddict> well that's just because Eclipse is a big bunch of plugins

16:09 <mweltin> yeah

16:10 <MTughan_> That link is a screenshot of the project I made for TSP.

16:10 <MTughan_> Looks like Xcode 3.0, but I don't remember what Xcode 2.4 and 2.5 looked like.

16:11 <xcamel> any ideas on that dumb plugin?

16:11 <MTughan_> I'm still looking.

16:12 <MTughan_> Wow... Camino's taking 250MB RAM.

16:12 <MTughan_> I noticed my machine getting slower.

16:13 <MTughan_> xcamel: What I'm gonna try doing is adding in debugging messages to find where it breaks.

16:14 <MTughan_> Gotta find how to log though...

16:14 <xcamel> that would be helpful

16:15 <xcamel> the bot itself has more extensive debugging/log options

16:17 <mweltin> what debugger does it use?

16:17 <mweltin> gdb ?

16:17 <PovAddict> probably

16:17 <mweltin> does xcode have a profiler?

16:17 <MTughan_> Not sure what that is...

16:17 <PovAddict> <- apparently way more than a profiler!

16:17 <Romulus> <> (at

16:17 <MTughan_> Oh yeah, Instruments...

16:18 <MTughan_> xcamel: Just tried it on TSPer. It couldn't find the RSS feed!

16:19 <MTughan_> So maybe regexes are broken...

16:19 <PovAddict> I have Cels work!

16:19 <MTughan_> Yep, I see if now...

16:19 <MTughan_> it*

16:20 <PovAddict> the screensaver graphics are really laggy

16:20 <MTughan_> Got Wunder RSS to work.

16:20 <MTughan_> xcamel: I can walk you through it.

16:20 <xcamel> brb

16:20 <PovAddict> or not :)

16:20 <xcamel> back in a second..

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16:21 <Romulus> "pictures of people use optimized apps, they'd overgrant

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16:21 <MTughan_> Ready?

16:22 <xcamel> go for it..

16:22 <xcamel> remember - rom is on another machine here...

16:22 <MTughan_> lib/python2.3/site-packages/supybot/plugins/Weather/

16:22 <MTughan_> Line 466.

16:23 <MTughan_> PovAddict: The change was that they went from HTML to XHTML. :P

16:23 <MTughan_> Can you guess the change?

16:23 <PovAddict> />

16:23 <MTughan_> Got it.

16:24 <MTughan_> I'll make it so that it'll accept both HTML and XHTML.

16:24 <xcamel> sorry - brain dead.

16:26 <MTughan_> xcamel: You there?

16:27 <xcamel> I'm here..

16:27 <MTughan_> Line 466?

16:27 <xcamel> yup..

16:28 <xcamel> fire away..

16:28 <MTughan_> Change to...

16:28 <MTughan_> _rsswunderfeed = re.compile(r'<link rel="alternate".*href="([^"]+)" */?>',

16:28 <xcamel> sending to self now..

16:30 <xcamel> that's it?

16:30 <PovAddict> try it and see :)

16:31 <MTughan_> Works here.

16:32 <xcamel> lol >> Error: invalid syntax (, line 469)

16:32 <xcamel> part of the line is missing...

16:32 <Romulus> anyway, r u working on the yellow and red circles on the clean energy

16:32 <MTughan_> I have "re.I)" on line 469...

16:33 <MTughan_> It was broken between two lines.

16:33 <MTughan_> Maybe you need:

16:33 <MTughan_> _rsswunderfeed = re.compile(r'<link rel="alternate".*href="([^"]+)" */?>', re.I)

16:37 <MTughan_> xcamel: How did you set the default command/

16:37 <MTughan_> ?*

16:38 <MTughan_> Nvm, got it.

16:38 <MTughan_> It was set to wunder on TSPer.

16:38 <xcamel> now I'm getting a "there is no Weather plugin"

16:38 <PovAddict> &list

16:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, AutoMode, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, CyborgName, Darcs, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Herald, Infobot, Insult, Internet, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Markov, Math, Memo, Misc, MoobotFactoids, News, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Postman, Praise, Protector, Quote, QuoteGrabs, (1 more message)

16:38 <xcamel> grrrrrr....

16:38 <PovAddict> &more

16:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: RSS, Relay, Reply, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, Stock, String, Success, Supybot, Tail, Time, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, Utilities, Web, WordStats, and Zipinfo

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16:38 <xcamel> pov... please stop.

16:38 <mweltin> LOL Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use

16:38 <MTughan_> &weather Toronto, Ontario

16:38 <mweltin> regular expressions". Now they have two problems. -- Jamie Zawinski,

16:38 <Romulus> I don't know, MTughan_.

16:38 <TSPer> MTughan_: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Increasing cloudiness this evening. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 1C(34F).; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) late in (1 more message)

16:39 <MTughan_> TSPer: more

16:39 <TSPer> MTughan_: the morning. High 5C(41F). UV index 4 or moderate. Saturday night cloudy periods. Low -8C(17F).; Sunday - Sunny. High -1C(30F).;

16:39 <MTughan_> xcamel: Want the whole file then?

16:39 <MTughan_> TSPer: part

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16:40 <MTughan_> &list Weather

16:40 <Romulus> MTughan_: Error: 'Weather' is not a valid plugin.

16:41 <xcamel> python 2.5 is a bit more touchy

16:41 <xcamel> &weather 12074

16:41 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 47.1F / 8.4C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 29.03in / 983.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation up to an inch. Lows in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Saturday - Snow or a chance of rain in the morning. Total accumulation around (1 more message)

16:41 <xcamel> working now..

16:42 <MTughan_> I'm using Python 2.5 too.

16:42 <xcamel> I wonder if we can add the format=full to that...

16:42 <MTughan_> What do you mean?

16:42 <xcamel> to get the longer forecast..

16:42 <xcamel> not really necessary...

16:43 <MTughan_> Where'd you get that?

16:43 <xcamel> working is good enough

16:43 <xcamel> from the wunder site itself

16:44 <MTughan_> If I'm digging into it now, I might as well work on whatever else.

16:45 <xcamel> it would need a new command like 'weather full [location]' or something to prevent a flood warning

16:45 <MTughan_> I can't even find that link.

16:45 <MTughan_> Where I am:

16:45 <Romulus> <> (at

16:45 <xcamel> so it's really not that important, but thanks!

16:46 <xcamel> I saw it googling other wunder feed robots..

16:46 <xcamel> when it spews a long raw xhtml feed at you in opera

16:46 <MTughan_> lol

16:47 <xcamel> it might do it in safari too...

16:47 <MTughan_> I'm not using Safari.

16:47 <xcamel>

16:47 <xcamel> lemme go find it..

16:48 <xcamel> the query that gets you this:

16:48 <xcamel>

16:48 <Romulus> <> (at

16:49 <MTughan_> I got that with Toronto...

16:49 <xcamel> unless that's the dynamic page...

16:50 <MTughan_> format=full on that page gets me nothing extra.

16:51 <xcamel> ok.. it's not what I thought

16:51 <MTughan_> Gah... Not good when a web browser take 80% of one core and 240MB RAM.

16:53 <MTughan_> I think it might have something to do with new graphics I installed last night... Everything's taking more RAM than normal.

16:53 <PovAddict> crystal clear?

16:53 <MTughan_> Yeah.

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16:56 <xcamel> thanks for the fix

16:56 <MTughan_> np

16:56 <MTughan_> I'm not sure how to fix CNN, as they've now implemented a full AJAX system (fuckers).

16:56 <wdsmia> asks MTughan_ to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:56 <MTughan_> What other one was broken?

16:59 <PovAddict> how long till midnight UTC?

16:59 <DerMeister> 3 hours

17:00 <PovAddict> :)

17:00 <PovAddict> Rytis, good luck on your DDoS :)

17:00 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

17:00 <DerMeister> lol

17:01 <xcamel> checked the fix into also

17:01 <xcamel> ...not that it seems anyone there cares any more...

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17:04 <mweltin> so after all that the results don't match up on windows and linux.

17:04 <mweltin> I could have written the ACO from scratch by now.

17:05 <xcamel> come to think of it Mike, the 'ham' and 'cnn' parts are probably broken the same way

17:05 <xcamel> &ham 12074

17:05 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: No such location could be found.

17:05 <xcamel> &cnn 12074

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

17:06 <xcamel> &wunder 12074

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: Could not find weather information.

17:06 <xcamel> &wunder rss 12074

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 45.5F / 7.5C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 29.03in / 983.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 4.9mph / 7.9km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation up to an inch. Lows in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Saturday - Snow or a chance of rain in the morning. Total accumulation around an (1 more message)

17:06 <xcamel> &more

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: inch. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;

17:07 <xcamel> ...go figure.

17:14 <mweltin> well at least they are the same from platform to platform, but HR was such a pain in the butt last time.

17:24 <mweltin> does anyone know about any differences between srand on windows adn linux ?

17:24 <PovAddict> it's not specified *anywhere* how rand works

17:25 <PovAddict> heck, a C implementation could choose a different random algorithm depending on the moon phase and it could be conforming

17:25 <PovAddict> so it wouldn't surprise me if MSVC has a completely different algorithm than gcc's libc

17:27 <mweltin> that might explain why the GA worked, as I specified the RNG

17:28 <mweltin> MersenneTwister doesn't use srand at all

17:28 <mweltin> looks Like its either HR or more code work.

17:29 <mweltin> I was so darn close too

17:31 <PovAddict> <- that's about as pwned as you can get...

17:31 <Romulus> <> (at

17:35 <mweltin> what a bitch

17:35 <mweltin> refusing to speak to him

17:35 <mweltin> nice solid relationship there.

17:39 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:39 <PovAddict> mweltin: do any of your apps have DLLs?

17:40 <mweltin> no

17:40 <sethy> evening all

17:41 <mweltin> I try to make it all static, and build anywhere.

17:41 <xcamel> 'lo sethy

17:42 <sethy> re-hi jay

17:43 <sethy> pov: you still got the rot13 keyboard layout installer?

17:44 <PovAddict> no

17:44 <sethy> :(

17:44 <PovAddict> you sent me it even before I changed the computer

17:45 <sethy> i thought you would have had a backup ;_;

17:45 <PovAddict> maybe

17:45 <PovAddict> the other computer is turned off though

17:45 <xcamel> ring/balloon/pwn3d/life sucks

17:47 <sethy> found it

17:47 <sethy> was a gmail file sent to you

17:48 * CoderForLife swims into the room

17:48 * sethy blows a whistle

17:48 <sethy> pools closed

17:48 <CoderForLife> hello any and all

17:48 * CoderForLife adjusts his Speedo and emerges

17:49 <CoderForLife> what are you staring at?

17:50 <sethy> the pool

17:50 <xcamel> weather works again, Don..

17:50 <CoderForLife> ah, great Jay

17:50 <xcamel> thank Big Mike..

17:50 * CoderForLife looks at the ceiling

17:50 <CoderForLife> I thought he had another name

17:51 <CoderForLife> here goes...

17:51 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

17:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 45.3F / 7.4C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain ending early...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southeast after midnight. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the (1 more message)

17:51 <CoderForLife> ah, there is a Big Mike

17:51 <xcamel> too bad the fix broke the rest of the plugin :-/

17:51 <CoderForLife> oopsey

17:51 <CoderForLife> &more

17:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: morning...then a chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy with a chance of rain and snow after midnight. Lows around 30. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

17:52 <wdsmia> &weather 50265

17:52 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 48.6F / 9.2C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 8.3mph / 13.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered rain showers until early morning. A chance of snow after midnight. A chance of rain late in the night. Low around 30. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Saturday - (1 more message)

17:52 <wdsmia> &more

17:52 <Romulus> wdsmia: Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of snow in the morning. High in the lower 40s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:52 <CoderForLife> it's so nice to have *forecasts*

17:53 <xcamel> hamweather has a great longer range rss forecast feed too...

17:53 <xcamel> but &ham is broken

17:53 <CoderForLife> ah

17:54 <CoderForLife> seems LHC is OOW again

17:54 <xcamel> yupper..

17:55 <CoderForLife> Black Holes "R" Us

17:55 <xcamel> we should get MT to write the "uberweather" plugin...

17:55 <CoderForLife> will that be all German? =)

17:56 <xcamel> ok... 'megaweather' then..

17:56 <CoderForLife> lol

17:56 <CoderForLife> what will it take to motivate him?

17:56 <xcamel> scooby snacks

17:57 <CoderForLife> sounds better than fish

17:57 <mweltin> svn revert ?  doesn't that take an revison argument?

17:58 <PovAddict> "svn revert" reverts to what you got last time you did "svn update"

17:59 <mweltin> crap

17:59 <PovAddict> ie. reverts not-yet-committed local modifications

17:59 <mweltin> all of a sudden I can't build the aco

18:00 <mweltin> something about the timer

18:00 <mweltin> I updated to two revisions ago, adn I get the same error

18:02 <mweltin> ls

18:03 <PovAddict> LOL

18:03 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge:

18:03 <PovAddict> "This is a project wide effort to complete 50,000 WU's in a 24 hour period and bring the sieve depth to p=2500T (current depth is ~2400T)."

18:03 <PovAddict> the challenge still hasn't started and they're at 2600T

18:04 <mweltin> haha

18:04 <PovAddict> I guess they need a new target for the challenge

18:05 <mweltin> so there is a difference between gcc and g++, at one point PovAddict you told me there wasn't but you must have been refering to a specific attribute.

18:06 <mweltin> I always thought there had to be some difference.

18:06 <PovAddict> if you're compiling C++ code, use g++

18:06 * CoderForLife looks at PovAddict

18:07 <PovAddict> if you're linking stuff, and at least *one* .o file is C++ (and was compiled with g++), use g++ for linking

18:07 <mweltin> I wanted to mix in the  MersenneTwister code

18:07 <mweltin> trouble is its all c++ adn inline mostly

18:07 <PovAddict> and ACO is all C?

18:07 <mweltin> yes

18:07 <mweltin> ansi

18:07 <PovAddict> hrm

18:07 <mweltin> c at that

18:08 <mweltin> the only error I got is with the timer, I coudl almost ditch it, or just tweak it unilt ti compiles with g++

18:09 <CoderForLife> IRS web site - "We are sorry Where's My Refund is currently unavailable. " - gulp...

18:09 <wdsmia> lol

18:10 <mweltin> thats classic

18:10 <CoderForLife> Why do I let these people handle my money?

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18:11 <CoderForLife> oh, right - it's the law

18:11 <mweltin> because you don't have a choice, unless jail is an option.

18:11 <mweltin> and even then you will have to pay.

18:11 <CoderForLife> so it's pay, or go to jail and pay?

18:12 <xcamel> mostly..

18:12 <CoderForLife> somehow doesn't seem symmetric

18:13 <CoderForLife> brb - need to go get the bills and pay those thieve^H^H^H^H^H^Hfolks

18:14 <mweltin> help_b = malloc( n_ants  * sizeof(long int) ); what datatype should help_b be.  Long int right?

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18:16 <CoderForLife> oops - wife has a splinter

18:16 <mweltin> you wife is splitting?

18:17 <mweltin> sorry man

18:17 * CoderForLife climbs in the ambulance and roars downstairs

18:17 <PovAddict> lol

18:18 <mweltin> and he is still at the keyboard

18:19 <mweltin> this looks good

18:19 <Romulus> Title: Random Number Generator Source Code (at

18:21 <PovAddict> does Flash support 3D graphics?

18:21 <PovAddict> or is this done purely with 2D? o_O

18:22 <Romulus> Title: Spider (at

18:25 <xcamel> big, long, and funny as hell.... Forklift safety...

18:25 <xcamel>

18:25 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Gabelstafel fahrer - fork-lift driver (at

18:25 <xcamel> (and in german)

18:25 <mweltin> lol I gut got a tar ball that unzipped to a bunhc of symbolic links.

18:25 <mweltin> honestly WTF

18:26 <Romulus> looks like the manager couldn't save my preferences anyway

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18:26 * CoderForLife returns the emergency equipment to the barn

18:28 <CoderForLife> oops - left the bills downstairs

18:28 * CoderForLife slides back down the Bat Pole

18:28 <xcamel> you have to watch that vid, Don..

18:31 <CoderForLife> I will - was this a competitor's training video?

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18:33 <CoderForLife> German competitor, it seems

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18:37 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

18:38 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug.

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18:39 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

18:40 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

18:40 <xcamel> wb Mike

18:40 <wdsmia> " " "_" "__" MTughan must have the same isp as pov

18:41 <CoderForLife> the moral of that story - don't hire anyone name Klaus?

18:41 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

18:42 <CoderForLife> Hello Glenn =)

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18:42 <xcamel> lol

18:43 <CoderForLife> funny how everyone screams in English

18:43 <wdsmia> rofl

18:44 <xcamel> that film is great - already sent the link to my safety dept

18:44 <Rookie_69> That the forklift csafety film?

18:44 <Rookie_69> ??

18:44 <CoderForLife> yeah

18:44 <Rookie_69> Safety...

18:44 <xcamel> yup

18:45 <xcamel> killer Klaus and the forklift from hell..

18:45 <Rookie_69> Saw it a few years back... I think ElGono sent me the link.

18:46 <CoderForLife> the guy who makes out the best is the one he nearly runs over at the start

18:47 <xcamel> we need more quentin tarantino safety films...

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18:47 <xcamel> it might even make him useful...

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18:50 <CoderForLife> maybe the IRS sent my refund to bail out Bear Stearns

18:50 <xcamel> what's a refund?

18:50 <CoderForLife> er, I meant "ransom payment"

18:50 <CoderForLife> er, extortion

18:50 *** PovAddic1 is now known as PovAddict

18:50 <CoderForLife> er, usury

18:51 * PovAddict sets a timer to announce primegrid challenge

18:52 <CoderForLife> some of us unwisely donate use of our hard-earned wages to the IRS on an interest-free loan

18:52 <xcamel> outright theft by 49% of the population

18:53 <CoderForLife> based on my reading, we want the FairTax

18:53 <xcamel> the ft would make it all worse... trust me.

18:54 <xcamel> studied it extensively.

18:54 <xcamel> it's a giant red herring

18:54 <CoderForLife> ah, I'm interested but a topic for another forum

18:55 <CoderForLife> I'm reading the second book now

18:55 <xcamel> more holes in it than fine swiss cheese

18:55 <PovAddict>

18:55 <Romulus> Title: Customized counter (at

18:59 <CoderForLife> off the the Coding Couch to be with the wife

18:59 <CoderForLife> laterzz

19:00 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge starting in an hour

19:12 <xcamel> or less..

19:13 <PovAddict> I made the timer say "in an hour" exactly at 21:00 my time

19:13 <PovAddict> of course, now it's less :)

19:14 <infinisoft> Is that with the PSP Sieve?

19:15 <PovAddict> yes

19:15 <PovAddict> you have to select *only* PSP Sieve

19:15 <Romulus> Yeah, Opera picks my copy up here.

19:16 <PovAddict> what counts is only PSP sieve workunits downloaded after March 15th 00:00 UTC and returned back to the server before March 16th 00:00 UTC

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19:25 <Rookie_69> Time to nod off.

19:25 <Rookie_69> NN

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19:30 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge starting in 30 minutes

19:45 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge starting in 15 minutes

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19:54 * Soul_keeper don't like challenges ...

19:55 <Tank_Master> thx for the reminder, Pov

19:55 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 day to seconds

19:55 <Romulus> PovAddict: 86400

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20:00 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid challenge has started!

20:00 <Tank_Master> just attached a few min ago ;)

20:01 <xcamel> thought it was sps only...

20:01 <xcamel> er psp even..

20:01 <PovAddict> it is

20:02 <Romulus> Windows but unix-like dev environment

20:02 <PovAddict> only PSP Sieve application

20:02 <Tank_Master> yes

20:03 <Tank_Master> so you will need to go into your project preferences and decelect everything else

20:04 <infinisoft> Already there was a spike in PSP WUs processed from yesterday:

20:04 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:20 <PovAddict> Tank_Master:

20:20 <PovAddict> not so high really :)

20:20 <PovAddict> it's coping quite well for now

20:23 <PovAddict> 8000 workunits gone in 20 minutes

20:25 <sethy> its not over 9000 yet

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20:29 <Soul_keeper> you wanna see a pic of my computer "grave yard" ?

20:29 <Soul_keeper>

20:29 <Romulus> <> (at

20:31 <Soul_keeper>

20:31 <Romulus> <> (at

20:31 <wdsmia> How did you get a pic of my basement? :)

20:32 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:32 <Soul_keeper> mine is upstairs tho ...

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20:34 <wdsmia> It doesnt have enought old DEC boxes or vt terms to be my basement

20:35 <Soul_keeper> yeah i only started in the early 90's ...

20:35 <wdsmia> I think I still have a uvax down there somewhere

20:36 <Soul_keeper> i wish i would have took this commodore64 someone tryed to give me a few years back

20:36 <Soul_keeper> that would look cool in the collection :)

20:36 <wdsmia> lol

20:38 <Soul_keeper> see my new case on the 176 picutre, i just put it together a little while ago

20:39 <Soul_keeper> much smaller than the clear one i built myself in the 178 pic

20:41 * wdsmia doesnt want boxes that look good good... just boxes that crunch like hell :)

20:42 <Soul_keeper> :)

20:43 * Tank_Master doesnt want baoes at all, for they take up to much room

20:43 * Tank_Master would rather just have the motherboards stacked

20:43 <Soul_keeper> baoes ?

20:43 <Soul_keeper> boxes ...

20:43 <Tank_Master> ya

20:43 <Tank_Master> same thing

20:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah rackmounts would be nice

20:44 <Soul_keeper> just above my price range tho

20:45 <wdsmia> yea well if it was a perfect world and I won the lottery I would do it that way to

20:45 <xcamel> MAOJC used to run a stack of about 30 caseless MB's on insulated shelving racks

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20:45 <Soul_keeper> lol nice

20:46 <Soul_keeper> yeah cases cost nearly 100 bucks a pop anymore

20:46 <wdsmia> xcamel 8080's on bread boards dont count :)

20:46 <Soul_keeper> used to be able to get a pretty good one for like 20-40 bucks

20:49 <xcamel> lol

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20:52 <Tank_Master> I do have one 1u rackmount

20:52 <Tank_Master> with a dual P4 xeon inside it

20:55 <xcamel> finally got reisel over 200K

20:55 <Tank_Master> congratz!

20:55 * wdsmia has a rack of 25 dual xeons in one cabnet at work... to bad i cant crunch on them

20:56 <mweltin> Im' back

20:56 <wdsmia> wb

20:56 <mweltin> thanks

20:59 <Soul_keeper>

20:59 <Romulus> <> (at

20:59 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:01 <Soul_keeper> i blow smoke right into my intake fan, no problems here ...

21:03 <Soul_keeper> pc that is, the wii is just weak i guess

21:21 <PovAddic1> back

21:21 <PovAddic1> did primegrid server explode yet?

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21:26 <xcamel> wow - modbook tablet - official aka macbook pro

21:29 <xcamel> ip kill >>

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21:42 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:42:48)

21:42 <Tank_Master> IP dont kill - -

21:42 <Tank_Master> wb KM

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21:42 <Tank_Master> wb MTughan

21:42 <KathrynM> moanin'

21:42 <mweltin> heyeveyrbody

21:42 <Tank_Master> morning? its 18:42!

21:42 <Tank_Master> ;)

21:42 <mweltin> I think I found my RNG

21:43 <Tank_Master> good

21:43 <KathrynM> :)

21:43 <Tank_Master> really nice girl?

21:44 <PovAddict> hey KathrynM

21:44 <PovAddict> sieving? :)

21:44 <KathrynM> nope

21:44 <Tank_Master> bummer

21:44 <KathrynM> I forgot about it and I"m too lazy to do it now.

21:44 <Tank_Master> but everyone else is doing it!

21:44 <xcamel> 'lo K

21:44 <Tank_Master> lol

21:45 <Romulus> wish I had that before

21:45 <KathrynM> And if everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

21:45 <KathrynM> lol

21:45 <Tank_Master> what would be the point in living if eneryone else is dead?

21:45 <Tank_Master> so yes

21:45 <Tank_Master> ha! ;)

21:45 <PovAddict> if everybody else jumped off a bridge, and you got credits for the size of the splash, and the one with more credits won... would you jump?

21:46 <Tank_Master> no

21:46 <wdsmia> sure dont you know were in it for the science not the credit

21:46 <Tank_Master> id be the one pushing eveyone else off

21:46 <mweltin> MTughan, what was that one liner to compile all .o's ?

21:46 <wdsmia> :P

21:46 <PovAddict> g++ -oprogram *.o ?

21:47 <MTughan> For the Makefile?

21:47 <mweltin> yes Makefile

21:47 <mweltin> to build the .o's not the app PovAddict

21:47 <PovAddict> ah to build the .o's

21:47 <PovAddict> not to link the .o's together after you get them

21:47 <PovAddict> &ln

21:47 <mweltin> yes

21:48 <Romulus> PovAddict:

21:48 <Romulus> <> (at

21:48 <MTughan> %.o: %.c

21:48 <MTughan> $(CC) -c $< -o $@ $(CFLAGS)

21:48 <MTughan> You may have to configure some of the flags...

21:48 <mweltin> thats it

21:48 <MTughan> I've got to be off...

21:48 <Tank_Master> gn

21:49 <MTughan> Not night. Not yet.

21:49 <KathrynM> ok ok ok

21:49 <KathrynM> seiving now

21:49 <sethy> i've come to the conclusion, argentina has a great firewall of china 0.5 BETA

21:50 <PovAddict> it just blocks AOL users :)

21:50 <mweltin> hahaha

21:50 <PovAddict> get a real ISP...

21:50 <sethy> get a real bandwidth

21:50 <xcamel> Mike -- seen this one yet?

21:50 <PovAddict> unless you want to be insulted the rest of your life... "haha, AOLer!"

21:50 <Tank_Master> Almost online

21:50 <xcamel>

21:50 <Romulus> Title: Modbook - The first and only tablet Mac computer solution! - Other World Computing (at

21:51 <Soul_keeper> i saw a macbook air in the store for the first time the other day

21:51 <Soul_keeper> was kinda impressive

21:51 <sethy> there is no real problem with AOL, other than the crap call center, i dont mind

21:52 <sethy> so whats the problem with AOL?

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21:53 <mweltin> that is a sefl reference

21:53 <sethy> thats a problem?

21:53 <mweltin> AOL is what is wrong with AOL,  Have you ever seen a AOL user try to use another service?

21:53 <mweltin> AOL is like an internet IDE

21:53 <KathrynM> lol

21:53 <KathrynM> we finally got my mum to use Firefox

21:54 <PovAddict> \o/

21:54 <mweltin> it hides all kinds of stuff and does "things" for you

21:54 <PovAddict> the idea is not spreading firefox

21:54 <Tank_Master> AOL is like what you give to your kids when you dont want them using the real internet

21:54 <KathrynM> only becuase my brother insisted on moving them over to cable

21:54 <PovAddict> the idea is spreading non-IE

21:54 <mweltin> its why people have so much trouble with aol browser, IM stuff.

21:54 <KathrynM> AOL was my first ISP

21:54 <Romulus> it also can perate in no matter what I want more info on my P4.

21:54 <KathrynM> 1994 :D

21:54 <sethy> i dont use AOL browser or IM

21:55 <sethy> i only use the internet connection

21:55 <KathrynM> Back when it was still America Online

21:55 <PovAddict> sethy: lies I have seen you using both

21:55 <mweltin> LOL

21:55 <sethy> ages ago yea

21:55 <mweltin> sethy been outted

21:55 <sethy> so?

21:55 <Romulus> I guess so is iStat, sethy

21:55 <mweltin> it's ok sethy we have all done things were aer not proud of.

21:55 <PovAddict> lol

21:56 <sethy> ANYWAY, its not me that paying for it

21:56 <PovAddict> well not like he gets to choose

21:56 <sethy> its my dad that paying the bill

21:56 <sethy> something is better than nothing

21:56 <mweltin> adn somethign free is even better.

21:56 <KathrynM> true very true

21:56 <KathrynM> beggers can't be choosers :)

21:56 <sethy> choosers can be beggers though

21:56 <PovAddict> I had an idea of putting a powerful Wi-Fi antenna on my roof

21:57 <sethy> that didnt work

21:57 <PovAddict> to get a direct connection to a friend 3 blocks away

21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

21:57 <sethy> i dont live 3 bolocks away nic

21:57 <PovAddict> I didn't do it in the end, but I told the idea to someone else, and he did end up doing it!

21:57 <PovAddict> sethy: not you

21:57 <sethy> did it work for him?

21:58 <PovAddict> yeah

21:58 <PovAddict> Ross, don't you have him on your msn?

21:58 <PovAddict> ask him :p

21:58 <sethy> yea, but i didnt know he did

21:58 <sethy> or you told him

21:58 <PovAddict> now you know

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22:06 <mweltin> ok regarding the extern keyword, I have a file rngs.c and rngs.h, all my other source files include rngs.h so can I declair my global vars in rngs.h "extern long int Seed" or does that mess up the rngs.c which also includes rngs.h?

22:07 <PovAddict> well...

22:07 <PovAddict> an alternative could be *not* using globals :D

22:08 <mweltin> true, but this lib uses globlas and I'm already a week behind in getting this out the door.

22:08 <PovAddict> :P

22:08 <mweltin> Im ok with globlas this time.

22:16 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmm this has gone strangly smooth

22:16 <mweltin> somethign must be wrong

22:16 <KathrynM> parnoid?

22:16 <mweltin> no, every program IS out to get me.

22:16 <mweltin> there is a difference

22:16 <Romulus> No ST on DVD yet...

22:16 <KathrynM> lol mweltin

22:17 <KathrynM> I think the same thing about the little people at school

22:17 <KathrynM> oh I just checked.  My voice came back.

22:17 <KathrynM> Dude what ever the doc put in the big old needle last night worked

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22:21 <mweltin> Hey PovAddict, the this prog's setup says to copy over timer.h with either time_dos.h or timer_unit.h, wouldn't I be better off with a #ifdef WIN or something?

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22:21 <PovAddict> yep

22:21 <PovAddict> _WIN32

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22:22 <mweltin> wouldn't just WIN be better ?  Waht about 64bit?

22:22 <PovAddict> ...because WIN doesn't exist

22:22 <PovAddict> the compiler sets _WIN32 if it's Windows

22:22 <mweltin> got it

22:31 <mweltin> SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!! it worked

22:35 <KathrynM> hmph...  how can "vi" not be a word in scrabble ;)

22:37 <mweltin> it is

22:37 <mweltin> it's in common usage

22:38 <KathrynM> the scrabble app on facebook won't take it :(

22:38 <mweltin> oh try vim then

22:40 <KathrynM> vim yeah,

22:41 <KathrynM> but not because of the computer term

22:41 <KathrynM> Ebullient vitality and energy.

22:41 <mweltin> really?

22:41 <KathrynM> yup

22:41 <mweltin> like vim and vigor?

22:41 <KathrynM> yup

22:41 <mweltin> AHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA scrabble sucks

22:41 <KathrynM> lol

22:41 <KathrynM> emacs isn't  word either

22:41 <KathrynM> I tried

22:42 <PovAddict> <Ginga> anyone know if there is a way to remotley switch on a ps2 minus having a large stick

22:42 <PovAddict> <Mad_Matte> geting kids...

22:42 <mweltin> not should it be

22:42 <PovAddict> LOL

22:42 <PovAddict> <Jikg> Might anyone have a CD burner that could answer a few quick questions?

22:42 <PovAddict> <SinclairC> my CD burner doesn't talk to strangers

22:42 <mweltin> si that off of bash?

22:42 <PovAddict> yes

22:42 <KathrynM> lol

22:43 <Romulus> so each time I helped, and none of them

22:43 <mweltin> they rejected my quote.

22:43 <mweltin> someone her said their linux user irc was just full of windows users, I laughed my butt off. Apparently no one else found it funny.

22:45 <PovAddict>

22:45 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #187110 (at

22:46 <mweltin> LOL

22:46 <PovAddict> <johnnyt> holy crap. have to do a 1500 word history essay

22:46 <PovAddict> <heffalump75> hey u know the saying....

22:46 <PovAddict> <heffalump75> just draw 1.5 pictures

22:46 <KathrynM> lol

22:47 <mweltin> I'm so excited I'm going to take a break.

22:47 <mweltin> bbl

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22:50 <PovAddict> <ilde> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

22:53 <KathrynM> awesome.  I finally found a walk through for idiots on how to customize my shell.

22:54 <PovAddict>

22:54 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #115726 (at

22:54 <KathrynM> lol

22:55 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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23:00 <PovAddict> I got a similar suggestion when trying to jailbreak my iPod ->

23:00 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #36557 (at

23:05 <PovAddict> "And the Lord said unto John; Come forth and receive eternal life. But John came fifth and won a toaster instead..."

23:07 <PovAddict> hey wdsmia!

23:07 <PovAddict> you're 10th on the primegrid challenge already

23:07 <PovAddict> The Final Front Ear is 5th

23:08 <wdsmia> :)

23:08 <PovAddict> SETI.USA 3rd on team stats

23:12 <wdsmia> to bad 3/4 of my boxes are still crunching lhc

23:14 <MTughan> All right, now I'm off to bed.

23:14 <wdsmia> &nn

23:14 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

23:14 <MTughan> And shutting down the laptop.

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23:16 <quail> g'afternoon all

23:16 <wdsmia> just moved up to 17th place lhc

23:16 <quail> &weather ypad

23:16 <PovAddict> "The day Microshaft makes something that doesn't suck, is the day they make a vacuum."

23:16 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 95°F / 35°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 1:30 PM CST; Overcast. High:96 F. / 36 C.; Overcast. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Overcast. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. High:102 F. / 39 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:80 F. / 27 C.;

23:27 <Soul_keeper> you know that electric shavers now have more computing power than the space shuttle that took the astronauts to the moon ?

23:27 <PovAddict> wtf

23:27 <PovAddict> why do electric shavers have any computing power?

23:27 <Soul_keeper> beats me

23:28 <PovAddict> mine just has a motor

23:28 <PovAddict> lol

23:28 <Soul_keeper> apparently they calculate stuff for changing beard thickness, and for digital numbers, for self-cleaning, etc.

23:28 <PovAddict> sheesh talk about overkill

23:29 <PovAddict> they add features just because people want features

23:29 <Soul_keeper> yeah i use dual blade disposables

23:29 <PovAddict> not because they are at all needed

23:29 <Soul_keeper> dual blade is leading edge for me :)

23:29 <PovAddict> and to make it more expensive too :)

23:29 <Soul_keeper> yeah new features are a way to hide inflation

23:33 * quail just uses set of clippers for my beard and hair :-)

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23:43 <Soul_keeper> hmmm they used to make toothbrushes out of cow bones and boar hairs    the history channel let's me know this stuff ...

23:51 <quail> eep

23:51 <Romulus> in bremen its loaded with them

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