IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-03-24

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00:15 <MTughan> &any mweltin

00:15 <Romulus> MTughan: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: *** mweltin has quit IRC ("bite my shinny metal a#*!")

00:15 <MTughan> &seen mweltin

00:15 <Romulus> MTughan: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <mweltin> thanks for the tips.

00:16 <MTughan> Makes sense...

00:16 <MTughan> I have ACO apps for him.

00:27 <zombie67> MT!!

00:27 <zombie67> please please please help mindmodeling

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00:29 <MTughan> lol...

00:29 <MTughan> I tried downloading it, but I don't know if it's compiled through GCC.

00:29 <MTughan> I found some stuff that does seem to do some stuff, but I'm not sure.

00:30 <zombie67> I am more concerned about making tiger work

00:30 <zombie67> #2 is PPC

00:30 <MTughan> That's what I'm talking about.

00:30 <MTughan> I think it does use GCC to compile somewhere, and when you compile on a Leopard system, it compiles for Leopard by default.

00:31 <MTughan> You need to tell it to make it use libraries that are available on Tiger.

00:31 <zombie67> d'oh!  I was thinking about altivec....NM

00:31 <MTughan> That's what the -mmacosx-version-min flag does for GCC>

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00:46 <MTughan> I am getting GCC errors, so that is an indication that it uses GCC. Just have to tweak stuff now.

00:48 <nickuwo> MTughan, I'm trying to get gcc to work on my Mac, but I'm having a lot of trouble compiling it, you don't know of any precompiled versions for tiger, do you?

00:48 <MTughan> Xcode.

00:48 <nickuwo> on the mac website?

00:48 <Romulus> after uploading a finished task, it forces the client for 30 sec - exiting

00:48 <MTughan> Should be on the Tiger DVD too.

00:49 <nickuwo> cool, I'll give that a try

00:51 <zombie67> uh...

00:52 <MTughan> Nice...

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04:58 <CoderForLife> hhhrrrmmpphh

04:58 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.7F / -0.7C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Isolated snow showers early this morning. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming (1 more message)

04:59 <CoderForLife> &more

04:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: south after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

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05:10 <CoderForLife> you escaped from Rug Ratdom

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05:12 <KathrynM> I did

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05:17 <CoderForLife> miracle

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05:17 <CoderForLife> Houdini

05:17 <KathrynM> too bad I left my sanity there.

05:17 <CoderForLife> of all the things I ever lost, I miss my mind the most

05:18 <KathrynM> amen

05:18 <KathrynM> I'm trying to find the energy to cook dinner

05:19 <CoderForLife> they've cut off your gas and electric?

05:19 <KathrynM> still got those.  it's the energy to get my butt out of the chair

05:20 <CoderForLife> they've cut off your electric?

05:20 <KathrynM> the rugrats sapped it out of me

05:20 <CoderForLife> ah, sorta like The Matrix

05:21 <KathrynM> yeah

05:21 <CoderForLife> Ok Coppertop

05:21 <KathrynM> ever wonder why little kids have so much energy.  they get it from their teachers

05:22 <CoderForLife> involuntary transference of motive force

05:23 <KathrynM> there's gotta be a physical law in here somewhere :)

05:24 <CoderForLife> Newton's Third: For every kid action, there is an equal and opposite teacher reaction.

05:24 <KathrynM> lol

05:25 <CoderForLife> you're out-numbered and out-gunned

05:25 <KathrynM> you don't know the half of it

05:26 <CoderForLife> certainly not

05:26 <Romulus> oh wait - different currency

05:27 <CoderForLife> right Rommie - we're talking emotional currency here

05:27 <KathrynM> lol

05:27 <CoderForLife> becoming overdrawn is a daily occurrence

05:29 <CoderForLife> I'm going to slink into the kitchen and grab some breaky - brb

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05:49 <CoderForLife> try slinking your way to cooking dinner

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05:56 <CoderForLife> me thinks she's slinked

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06:01 <KathrynM> now waiting for my famous I dont' give a feck one pot dinner to finish

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06:23 <CoderForLife> I am not familiar with that song, KathrynM

06:23 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps

06:25 <KathrynM> lol

06:25 <KathrynM> a bag of Lipton broccoli/cheese rice, some onions, carrots and spinach and left over baked chicken all in one pot.

06:27 <hawmps> wrong window..

06:27 <hawmps> there we go..

06:33 * CoderForLife hums the melody to "I dont' give a feck one pot dinner"

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06:43 <CoderForLife> if you had to remember all the variations in instructions in the new Delta safety video, you'd never make it

06:43 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Delta's New In-flight Safety Video (at

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06:46 <wdsmia> &more

06:46 <Romulus> wdsmia: Low in the upper 30s. South wind 20 to 30 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Breezy. High in the upper 50s. West wind 15 to 25 mph.;

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09:11 <KathrynM> quiet bunch tonight

09:19 <wdsmia_w> monday morning at w#$%

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09:30 <PovIpod> &ping

09:30 <Romulus> pong

09:33 <KathrynM> &ding

09:33 <Romulus> DONG!

09:33 <KathrynM> :)

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09:38 <KathrynM> PovIpod, new gp pics

09:38 <KathrynM>

09:38 <Romulus> <> (at

09:38 <KathrynM>

09:38 <Romulus> <> (at

09:39 <desti> what is that?

09:39 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd

09:39 <KathrynM> my guinea pig

09:40 <PovIpod> aww

09:40 <KathrynM> :)

09:40 <PovIpod> I'm still deep in bed :)

09:40 <KathrynM>

09:40 <Romulus> <> (at

09:40 <KathrynM> she's getting big :)

09:41 <KathrynM> I'm ready to head for my bed

09:41 <desti> hmm...this white color looks very mutated

09:41 <Romulus> thinks you e-maild to DA complaining about the parse_file method in sched_config.h?

09:42 <PovIpod> I saw on the logs that you got Jord in here

09:42 <KathrynM> yeah

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09:45 * KathrynM goes to bed.

09:45 <KathrynM> Night all

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10:26 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.2F / 3.4C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Isolated snow showers early this morning. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming south after (1 more message)

10:27 <CoderForLife> &more

10:27 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

10:27 <CoderForLife> waiting for a call-back to schedule the civil engineer and landscaper to come out

10:31 <wdsmia_w> pave it in concrete and paint it green

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11:20 <CoderForLife> I am not skilled in vertical pavement techniques

11:20 <CoderForLife> then, of cour$e, there'$ another i$$ue I $ee

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11:44 <hawmps> well..well...

11:45 <hawmps> A real live (and rather large) pair of ravens is nesting in our salt shed..

11:45 <Tank_Master> sweet

11:46 <hawmps> the female is huge

11:46 <hawmps> and not very common around here.

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12:06 <CoderForLife> "Nevermore"

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12:22 <hawmps> looking into setting up a webcam...

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12:27 <CoderForLife> Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, over some long forgotten Code of yore, er mine

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12:51 <CoderForLife> you'd think the activity around there would disturb them

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13:52 <desti> arrrrrrrrrrrrr §%$"§&

13:52 <Romulus> <> (at

13:59 <hawmps> oh well...

14:09 <hawmps>

14:09 <Romulus> <> (at

14:09 <hawmps> OMG!!!

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14:17 <Tank_Master> your god? what about my god?

14:17 <Romulus> didn't know what I'd be happy to just plot, calculate the new app as a command line apps in C++.

14:20 <Tank_Master> wow

14:20 <Tank_Master> thats not for from wher I love

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14:29 <CoderForLife> O_o

14:30 <_Danilo_> Netsplit Detected Between Servers "*.net <-> *.split"

14:30 <CoderForLife> that's an orbit ouch, desti

14:45 <hawmps> re: cragslist.. people can be real scum, the rest can be worse...

14:51 <Tank_Master> free loaders

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15:30 <Al2O3> hi, I have OS X 10.4.11 benchmarked and then ran OS X 10.5.2 with BOINC in both situations, nothing more than system overhead.  Plenty of speed on these machines and memory.  I'm seeing 40-50% decrease in 10.5.2 average credits on the 10.5.2 systems.  Is this finding something well known?

15:31 <Romulus> I'm just reading the man page

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15:43 <zombie67> Oooo!  I picked up 3 new BRATS tasks.

15:50 <zombie67> and some hydrogen work

15:52 <xcamel> re-hi

15:54 <xcamel> IP kills >>

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16:08 <MTughan> Well... My dad was late this morning, and I think I know why now.

16:09 <MTughan> I left my laptop on and open for IRC, TSPer, and BOINC crunching, but when I came home just now, it was closed.

16:11 <MTughan> zombie67: Good, you're around... I found a few problems with the GCC config files, but those are worked out. I dug through the Tiger SDK last night, and found out that SBCL was using a wrong variable name in their code. I'm working through those now.

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16:18 <MTughan> All instances replaced, trying to build again.

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16:21 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

16:27 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

16:27 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:27 <xcamel> I wish orbit would fire up again...

16:27 <xcamel> btw - waiting for my modbook to show up..

16:28 <MTughan> Modbook?

16:28 <PovAddict> &google modbook

16:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.26 seconds: Modbook - The first and only tablet Mac® computer solution ...: <>; Axiotron : Home: <>; Axiotron : Modbook: <>; YouTube - Macworld Video: The ModBook in action: <>; ModBook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)

16:28 <xcamel> mack book pro turned into a tablet..

16:28 <MTughan> Oh, that one...

16:28 <MTughan> Looks interesting, never bothered to look at anything like that.

16:31 <MTughan> Ooh, cool... zombie67: SBCL built. I built it for Tiger, so just gonna do some tests then pass it off to you.

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16:37 <zombie67> back

16:37 <zombie67> sweet!

16:37 <zombie67> to me?  or to the project admin?

16:38 <MTughan> You just to test it, then the project admin.

16:38 <zombie67> ah

16:38 <zombie67> okay

16:38 <MTughan> If it works, I have a few patches I'd submit to SBCL.

16:38 <MTughan> Okay, seems to pass.

16:38 <PovAddict> what's SBCL?

16:38 <MTughan> Now I just need to find it...

16:38 <MTughan> Steel Bank Common Lisp.

16:39 <MTughan> Lisp compiler if I'm not mistaken.

16:41 <MTughan>

16:41 <Romulus> <> (at

16:41 <zombie67> lattice has work!

16:41 <MTughan> That's just what was compiled, I'll have to see what else the project admin put up...

16:41 <zombie67> after I dl/unzip it, what command(s)?

16:42 <MTughan> I don't know yet, that's why I need to see what the proj admin put up.

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16:43 <PovAddict> well can't you do some simple test?

16:44 <MTughan> I did tests from SBCL already.

16:44 <MTughan> But on Leopard. The problem was that it was crashing on Tiger.

16:45 <MTughan> Wait... Do you still have the download that Jack provided?

16:46 <MTughan> Should have a file, sbclx.core...

16:46 <MTughan> Ooh, it's a biggie... 22.6MB.

16:47 <zombie67> moving to tiger machine

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16:48 <MTughan> Wow, doesn't compress well... BZ2 gets it down to 6.8MB, ZIP at 7.8MB.

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16:48 <MTughan> I think I can only offer downloads up to 5MB.

16:48 <MTughan> <MTughan> Wow, doesn't compress well... BZ2 gets it down to 6.8MB, ZIP at 7.8MB.

16:48 <zombie67> okay, now which file again?

16:48 <PovAddict> use a file hosting service

16:48 <MTughan> You got a download from him, which contained mm_sbcl and sbcl.core.

16:48 <PovAddict> (just not rapidshare, that one sux)

16:49 <MTughan> PovAddict: If he already has it, no need for me to post it.

16:49 <zombie67> i have sbcl.core

16:49 <MTughan> Okay. Put the sbcl I gave you in that directory or sbcl.core in the other directory...

16:49 <MTughan> Just put them in the same folder.

16:50 <zombie67> and what is the url again

16:50 <MTughan> Then run:

16:50 <MTughan> ./sbcl --core sbcl.core

16:50 <MTughan>

16:50 <Romulus> <> (at

16:51 <MTughan> Okay, they don't have a PPC app... Although I could make SBCL to run on 10.3.9.

16:51 <MTughan> I have no idea if it'd compile under GCC 3.3...

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16:52 <MTughan> Seeya Doug...

16:52 <zombie67> at the "ldb>" prompt now

16:52 <MTughan> Farther than you got before?

16:52 <zombie67> success?

16:52 <zombie67> yep.

16:52 <MTughan> Good. That is success then.

16:52 <zombie67> never got to the prompt before

16:53 <zombie67> before, was getting "symbol not found errors.

16:53 <MTughan> Means that it's properly linked for Tiger, and I have some patches that need to be sent to SBCL...

16:53 <MTughan> I know, you sent me the link, remember?

16:54 <zombie67> moving back to the other machine now.

16:54 <MTughan> PovAddict: Is it possible to make a file that will automatically patch other files?

16:54 <MTughan> K.

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16:59 <zombie67> thanks for doing this MT!

16:59 <MTughan> np

16:59 <MTughan> If you want to post the link on those forums, do so. I'm not going to create an account just for that.

17:12 <MTughan> All right, I've sent an email off to their mailing list, describing some of what I had to do.

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17:30 <zombie67> what is the URL again?

17:30 <MTughan>

17:30 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:30 <MTughan> I'm trying an x86_64 build for the compilers.

17:30 <Romulus> unless you want them and if this is a project preference you can put one of the day.

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17:34 <zombie67> does this also work for leopard?

17:35 <PovAddict> try it?

17:35 <PovAddict> :)

17:35 <MTughan> Yes.

17:35 <zombie67> what should I tell him you did, in general terms?

17:35 <MTughan> If you want, tell him I'm still tweaking the source.

17:36 <zombie67> and you found some errors that you are going to tell the sbcl folks about?

17:37 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:37 <MTughan> Yeah.

17:37 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:37 <zombie67> thanks!

17:40 <xcamel> re-back

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18:01 <PovAddict> zombie67: doing POEM like crazy already?

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18:04 <mweltin> I need help getting the server status page up and running again.

18:05 <mweltin> MTughan, PovAddict ? anyone?

18:05 <PovAddict> step 1, enable error reporting

18:05 <PovAddict> debugging a non-working script from an EMPTY page isn't exactly simple

18:07 <MTughan> Sorry, I'm here...

18:07 <MTughan> mweltin: I've got ACO apps too.

18:07 <mweltin> thanks

18:08 <mweltin> I'm in the tmp dir and running the command ../bin run_in_ops  sample_server_status.php  > /home/boinc/projects/tsp/html/user/server_status.php

18:08 <mweltin> and I'm getting an error on line 1 ./sample_server_status.php: line 1: ?php: No such file or directory

18:09 <mweltin> that line is commented out

18:09 <mweltin> run in ops doesn't call php

18:09 <mweltin> ahhh I think I know hwat the problem is then.

18:10 <mweltin> the php interpreter is never called.

18:10 <PovAddict> "?php" ?

18:10 <mweltin> thats odd, I wounder what I did last time, I must have made it a php "shell" scirpt.

18:10 <MTughan> Huh? The first line starts with "#!"?

18:11 <MTughan> #! isn't a commenting line. It's a special Unix line saying what the file should be executed with.

18:11 <mweltin> run_in_ops does yes, but the sample_server_status.php doesn't

18:11 <mweltin> yes I'm not the brightest knife in the drawer but I do know that :)

18:11 <MTughan> PHP files run from Apache are automatically run by PHP.

18:12 <mweltin> these are not run by apache they are run from a shell

18:12 <mweltin> I think I can fix it.

18:12 <MTughan> All right, ACO apps are up on my server once you're ready.

18:13 <mweltin> I'm ready

18:13 <MTughan>

18:13 <Romulus> <> (at

18:13 <MTughan> Good, because we're just about ready for dinner...

18:13 <mweltin> thats huge! thanks man.

18:14 <mweltin> and next time you go to a science fair maybe drop a line and let us know, we worry about you so much.

18:14 <MTughan> Wasn't a science fair, and that wasn't the only thing keeping me away.

18:14 <Romulus> no clue what project are we talking about?

18:15 <MTughan> It was two big assignments, a movie, and 40 questions for math that I had to do over March Break.

18:15 <MTughan> And they're all due this week.

18:15 <mweltin> are they done?

18:15 <MTughan> Mostly.

18:15 <mweltin> good

18:15 <MTughan> The questions are, the movie was handed in today, and the assignments are close to done.

18:16 <mweltin> do we get to watch the movie?  on youtube?

18:18 <MTughan> Probably not.

18:18 <mweltin> :(

18:19 <MTughan> It was about a 6 minute amateur LEGO animation.

18:19 <MTughan> And quite amateur indeed. I think we averaged 0.5fps.

18:19 <mweltin> come on that would be cool

18:19 <xcamel> legozilla?

18:20 <mweltin> thats fast enough

18:20 <mweltin> classic xcamel

18:20 <MTughan> No, based on the story of Oedipus the King?

18:20 <mweltin> do you have a screen play?

18:20 <MTughan> Nope.

18:20 <xcamel> hmmm..

18:20 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off for dinner.

18:20 <mweltin> dude you have to post it, now I have to see it, Idont' even know who Oedipus is,

18:21 <mweltin> give me culture or give me DEATH!

18:21 <mweltin> later

18:21 <MTughan> Oedipus is a Greek mythological tale.

18:21 <wdsmia> Dont say it Jay

18:21 * xcamel needs a piece of easter pie..

18:21 <mweltin> well I figured that much.

18:21 <xcamel> Oedipus was a "mama's boy"

18:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: stop-motion?

18:22 <Soul_keeper> lol

18:22 <mweltin> that was Edipus.... what I can't spell... I guess I do know the story.

18:22 <mweltin> well now I have to see it.

18:23 <CoderForLife> hello

18:23 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:23 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

18:24 <mweltin> Oedipus was the son of Laius and Jocasta. At his birth it was prophesied that he would murder his father and marry his mother.

18:24 <xcamel> 'lo Doug and Don

18:24 <CoderForLife> Finally got in touch with the civil engineer the landscaper recommended

18:24 <mweltin> the internet makes me feel so S-A-M-R-T

18:25 <CoderForLife> Of course he's out of town this week; had to set an appointment for next Monday

18:25 <CoderForLife> trying to looks him up on BBB

18:25 <CoderForLife> look*

18:26 <wdsmia> its ok Don we speak typo

18:26 <mweltin> LOL

18:28 <CoderForLife> that goods

18:28 <CoderForLife> doesn't look like he's listed

18:28 <mweltin> so quick question, the pages that are part of the boinc source tree, If I make changes to them, say to sample_server_status.php or I would make then in the source tree, and then the upgrade script will copy my custom files to the correct place?

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18:30 <xcamel> dow up 187 again..

18:31 * wdsmia hangs a noose on the boinc source tree

18:32 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes, and if the file is modified in BOINC SVN, 'svn update' would (try to) merge the changes

18:34 <wdsmia>

18:34 <Romulus> <> (at

18:34 <CoderForLife> the market makes me seasick

18:34 <mweltin> that is what I forgot to do, I ran a upgrade as all my workunit creation was failing.

18:34 <mweltin> turned out there was a db update as well.

18:35 <mweltin> and of course it wouldn't be an update unless something broke.

18:35 <mweltin> this time it was the server status page.

18:35 <xcamel> the market makes me money..

18:36 <CoderForLife> it's going to be hard to get to Mars by cutting the budgets

18:37 <mweltin> they can just stage one, you know like the moon landing.

18:37 * CoderForLife is going to bury his money in the hillside

18:38 <xcamel> and watch it slide into the creek...

18:38 <CoderForLife> yup

18:38 <xcamel> j/k

18:38 <CoderForLife> but I'll be pounding 10 foot nails before that happens

18:39 <CoderForLife> to hold down chain link fence

18:39 <wdsmia> might be cheaper than hiring that civil engineer

18:41 <CoderForLife> could be

18:41 <CoderForLife> I'm trying to get some information on him

18:43 <wdsmia> if he drive a lamboginnie your in trouble

18:43 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:58:21)

18:43 <wdsmia> drives

18:43 <KathrynM> moanin'

18:43 <wdsmia> mornin Kathryn

18:43 <Romulus> model 3 supports SSE3 apparently

18:44 <xcamel> iirc, they have to be licensed in ohio

18:44 <xcamel> 'lo KathrynM

18:48 <CoderForLife> I find his name on licensee lists

18:48 <CoderForLife> can't find on BBB

18:48 <CoderForLife> can't find a web site

18:48 <CoderForLife> can't seem to find in Yellow Pages site

18:51 <xcamel> some surveyors are also Geo-engineers

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18:52 <CoderForLife> hmm

18:52 <CoderForLife> can't find him on

18:52 <MTughan> Well, just missed him...

18:52 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

18:52 <MTughan> Seems he did know the story of Oedipus after all.

18:52 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes, stop-motion.

18:55 <zombie67> [15:01]  <PovAddict> zombie67: doing POEM like crazy already?

18:55 <xcamel> sounds like lego-p04n to me...

18:55 <zombie67> ?

18:55 <PovAddict> zombie67: POEM@Home challenge

18:55 <PovAddict>

18:55 <zombie67> ah, no

18:55 <Romulus> <> (at

18:56 <zombie67> I am concentrating on some other projects now.

18:56 <CoderForLife> I'm going to Code on the Couch

18:56 <CoderForLife> laterz

18:57 <xcamel> later

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18:59 <CoderForLife> I do see he is a member of the Structural Engineers Association of Ohio as of 2/2008

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19:22 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:23 <efc> Hey

19:24 <xcamel> sirius and xm deal is going to go through...

19:24 <MTughan> How long have they been proposing that now?

19:24 <xcamel> instant monopoly

19:24 <PovAddict> wut

19:25 <MTughan> Sirius Satellite radio and XM satellite radio? Heard of them?

19:25 <xcamel> too bad.

19:25 <efc> Go FTC

19:25 <efc> as in, go away FTC you are worthless

19:25 <MTughan> xcamel: With some of the fees, it was almost inevitable.

19:25 <MTughan> It's just too expensive to run.

19:26 <xcamel> and they were losing money..

19:26 <PovAddict> MTughan: nope, havent heard of either

19:26 <PovAddict> actually, I stumbled upon XM radio while searching if there was any XM (eXtended Module) hardware player

19:26 <PovAddict> and found portable XM radio thingies

19:27 <xcamel> I have the licensed "chip" decoder..

19:28 <xcamel> works with my shortwave radio too..

19:28 <efc> As long as they don't let DishNetwork/DirecTV merge...

19:29 <xcamel> I still have C/Ku sat TV

19:30 <efc> Wow, it still works? The Big Dishes?

19:30 <efc> I would have thought the sats died long ago

19:30 <MTughan> I have analog cable here.

19:30 <MTughan> And a MythTV box.

19:30 <PovAddict> I recently started seeing digital TV ads

19:31 <PovAddict> I don't think it will be too popular here...

19:31 <MTughan> Probably because all TV will be digital in the US sometime next year.

19:31 <PovAddict> I see quite a few of DirecTV antennas tho

19:31 <MTughan> When are all TV stations mandated to switch to digital signals?

19:31 <efc> Rabbit ears here..

19:32 <xcamel> put the ears back on the bunny, Ed.

19:32 <Romulus> Wow, doesn't compress well... BZ2 gets it down to 6.8MB, ZIP at 7.8MB.

19:32 <MTughan> Damn you Rommie!

19:32 <PovAddict> here, if you don't have cable, you get a whole 5 channels

19:32 <MTughan> Nice... Sounds like Saskatchewan.

19:33 <efc> Thats about what I get here

19:33 <xcamel> I have 2 digital receivers for off-air stuff. Still no cable.

19:33 <PovAddict> efc: pure crap on all I guess?

19:33 <PovAddict> it must be to fit in the "TV" definition :>

19:33 <xcamel> one has a dvr in it

19:33 <efc> Well, CBS/FOX/ABC/PBS/NBC

19:34 <MTughan> PBS is good...

19:34 <xcamel> KGB, CIA, MI5...

19:34 <MTughan> James Bond?

19:34 <xcamel> FBI, IRS..

19:34 * wdsmia leaves to surf his 532 channels on tv

19:34 <MTughan> US Government organizations.

19:35 <MTughan> wdsmia: You sound like my aunt. Digital satellite with a 42" plasma HDTV.

19:35 <wdsmia> 54" HDTV :)

19:36 <efc> I'm not sure if there is much point to hi def on satellite. They'll probably pump up the compression another notch to make up for there being more pixels.

19:36 <xcamel> I get real 1080i with the sidecar

19:36 <PovAddict> efc: digital TV exchanges white noise with MPEG artifacts

19:36 <xcamel> most of the "TV" stuff is just 'sd'

19:38 <efc> Pov: Yeah I can really see it in explosions or in very dark scenes

19:39 * wdsmia cranks up the DTS sound system

19:46 <wdsmia> 532 channels and nothing worth watching on :(

19:47 <Soul_keeper>

19:47 <Romulus> <> (at

19:47 <MTughan> wdsmia: Oh, that reminds me of a comic...

19:48 <xcamel> I see your DTS and raise you a bose 7.2 surround system

19:48 <MTughan> wdsmia:

19:48 <Romulus> <> (at

19:48 <Soul_keeper> 4.1 here ...

19:48 <Soul_keeper> 1998 power away !!!

19:53 <wdsmia> well since it looks like no new LHC wu's tonight, wdsmia grabs a ton of junk food and turns on the food network

19:53 <MTughan> You said there was nothing worth watching? You'll like this:

19:53 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:18 <xcamel> blah

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20:19 <MTughan> Seeya Kathy.

20:24 <xcamel> any ideas on that plugin?

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20:42 <MTughan> Oh, the stats plugin? (Sorry for the delay)

20:43 <xcamel> yeah..

20:44 <MTughan> I haven't thought about it at all.

20:44 <Romulus> you might had to shut down

20:45 <MTughan> Gah, my foot is seriously asleep...

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20:56 <Soul_keeper> punch it ...

20:57 <MTughan> It's good now.

21:01 <xcamel> I do that all the time

21:07 <xcamel> I was snooping for a plugin that had similar functions

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21:20 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 28.4F / -2.0C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 18. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds around 5 mph...increasing to south 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Rain or snow likely. Snow (1 more message)

21:20 <xcamel> &more

21:20 <Romulus> xcamel: accumulation up to an inch. Not as cool with lows in the lower 30s. South winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.;

21:29 <xcamel> right... more snow...

21:42 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 46.0F / 7.8C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Not as cool. Low in the upper 30s. South wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 50s. West wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. (1 more message)

21:42 <wdsmia> &more

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the northeast around 5 mph after midnight.;

21:49 <zombie67> the new RS 64 bit app is niiiiiiiise.  ;)

21:50 <zombie67> a stock 2.4ghz C2D does a task in less than 1280 sec, and gets 27 credits.....75c/h

21:50 <zombie67> of course, that is just temporary.

21:51 <zombie67> I hear the credits will be coming down

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21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:48 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:29:12)

22:49 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

22:50 <KathrynM> hiya

22:54 <Tank_Master> KM!

22:54 <KathrynM> TM!

22:55 <PovAddict> oh not you again

22:55 <PovAddict> er

22:55 <PovAddict> hi

22:56 * KathrynM slaps PovAddict with a Vista DVD

22:56 <MTughan> Ouch...

22:56 <PovAddict> *pain*

22:57 <KathrynM> lol

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23:04 <Tank_Master>

23:04 <Romulus> <> (at

23:05 <MTughan> Looks like a cricket...

23:07 <Tank_Master> hehe

23:07 <Tank_Master>

23:07 <Romulus> Title: Quadruped Robot (at

23:07 <Tank_Master> this thing can stay up better than I can!

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