IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-03-25

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00:19 <Tank_Master> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11202

00:19 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1iqE> (at www.dailytech.com)

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00:53 <MTughan> Off to bed.

00:54 <Tank_Master> gn

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04:52 <_Danilo_> hi

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05:03 <CoderForLife> morning

05:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.0F / -1.1C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain showers late. Breezy with highs in the mid 50s. South winds 10 to 20 mph... becoming southwest 20 to 25 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 40 (1 more message)

05:06 <CoderForLife> &more

05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent chance of showers. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

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05:29 <Delegate> i'm just about to reinstall linux

05:29 <Delegate> i have about 10 work units lined up

05:29 <Delegate> is there any way i can move them across to my new install

05:29 <Delegate> or will the same units be automatically downloaded when i start boinc on the new install

05:29 <KathrynM> How is BOINC installed?

05:30 <Delegate> erm, i think i just did apt-get install boinc

05:30 <KathrynM> ewwwwww

05:30 <KathrynM> Depends on the project as to whether you'll get those units back.

05:31 <Delegate> the files are in /var/lib/boinc-client/

05:31 <Delegate> einstein@home is the project

05:31 <KathrynM> Einstein will resend if it thinks it's the same computer (you might have to merge the duplicates)

05:31 <KathrynM> oh in that case.

05:31 <Delegate> well

05:31 <Delegate> there's another part to this

05:31 <KathrynM> uh oh

05:31 <KathrynM> :)

05:31 <Delegate> i was hoping to move from 32-bit ubuntu to 64-bit debian

05:32 <Delegate> will that confuse it xD

05:32 <KathrynM> well.

05:32 <KathrynM> are you just running the stock E@H app?

05:32 <KathrynM> with that big of a change in OS, you'll probably not be able to merge the computers.

05:33 <Delegate> stock app?

05:33 <Delegate> as in am i using optimized versions or something?

05:33 <KathrynM> did you install the power users app or the 64 bit beta version?

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05:33 <Delegate> i think it's the stock one in that case xD

05:34 <KathrynM> If it were me, I'd just abort the unstarted work and run the rest.

05:35 * CoderForLife runs for breakfast

05:35 <Delegate> i was just hoping i might be able to get crunching on the new install without too much downtime

05:35 <Delegate> recently it's been having trouble, reporting errors and getting my daily quota cut donw

05:35 <Delegate> down*

05:35 <KathrynM> oh

05:35 <KathrynM> what sort of errors?

05:35 <Delegate> Tue 25 Mar 2008 09:31:04 WST|Einstein@Home|Unrecoverable error for result h1_0814.40_S5R3__72_S5R3b_0 (process exited with code 112 (0x70))

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05:38 <KathrynM> looking now

05:40 <KathrynM> wow.  only thread I see is from last year

05:40 <Delegate> i had a quick google but didn't find anything useful

05:40 <Delegate> i was just hoping a new install would fix the problem, if not i could look again

05:40 <KathrynM> If i were you, I'd dump all the work and start over

05:40 <KathrynM> it'll get reissued

05:40 <KathrynM> and if the problem doesn't go away, post over on the forums

05:41 <Delegate> okay, thanks for the help

05:41 <KathrynM> sorry I wasn't much help.

05:42 <Delegate> btw, you said ewww earlier when i said i used apt-get :x

05:42 <Delegate> you'd rather i compiled it?

05:42 <KathrynM> nah

05:42 <KathrynM> just use the package from Berkeley :)

05:42 <KathrynM> I installed using a beta version of an rpm

05:43 <KathrynM> But I was working pretty closely with the person developing it.  SO I knew where everything was going.

05:44 <Delegate> my last unit (out of the ones i had started) just finished + uploaded

05:44 <Delegate> i'm off to install debian

05:44 <KathrynM> good luck :)

05:44 <Delegate> thanks :>

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05:49 <CoderForLife> re-morning

05:50 * KathrynM wave between bites of pepperoni pizza

05:51 <CoderForLife> ack - now Mother Nature wants to see me - bbiab

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06:07 <CoderForLife> b

06:07 <CoderForLife> how's the pizza?

06:08 <KathrynM> yummy

06:08 <CoderForLife> excellent

06:09 <KathrynM> just what the doctor ordered

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06:11 <CoderForLife> pizza by prescription?

06:12 <CoderForLife> oh, pharmacological pizza - you got mushrooms on it...

06:13 <KathrynM> pizza is the cure for a long day at the rugrat factory

06:13 <KathrynM> especailly when you had to take 7 six year olds to the store

06:14 <CoderForLife> gee - I'd rather have an organ transplant

06:14 <KathrynM> so would I

06:15 <CoderForLife> I'd start with the brain

06:21 <CoderForLife> my brain seems to be at the core of my troubles

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06:25 <hawmps> 'lo

06:25 <CoderForLife> hey

06:26 <CoderForLife> another w@#% day dawns

06:26 <CoderForLife> 4 u

06:26 <CoderForLife> "vacation" continues here

06:26 <CoderForLife> 28F

06:28 <hawmps> 17F

06:29 <KathrynM> 55F  :p

06:30 <hawmps> more snow by morning - 1-3"

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06:52 <desti> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20080325comp.htm?iid=pr1_releasepri_20080325m

06:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1iz0> (at www.intel.com)

07:37 <CoderForLife> time to start the "to do

07:37 <CoderForLife> " list for today

07:37 * CoderForLife wonders how that Enter key got there

07:42 <Tank_Master> http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Discusses+GPU+Hybrid+CPUs/article11088.htm

07:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1izu> (at www.dailytech.com)

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09:36 <KathrynM> any Linux gurus around?

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09:40 <KathrynM> lol

09:40 <KathrynM> paging PovAddict

09:40 <KathrynM> :)

09:45 <KathrynM> ah never mind.  I just didn't scroll down far enough in the man page :)

09:45 <desti> oh yeah, man pages could be very very long :o

09:46 <KathrynM> yeah, and the ps man page goes on like forever :D

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10:23 <BiteAbleKat> &w 98404

10:23 <Romulus> Dunno!

10:24 <BiteAbleKat> oh

10:24 <BiteAbleKat> .w 98404

10:24 <BiteAbleKat> &weather 98404

10:24 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: Temperature: 32.9F / 0.5C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A chance of showers this afternoon. Highs near 50. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Showers likely. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Showers likely. Highs in the upper (1 more message)

10:24 <BiteAbleKat> rainy season

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10:39 <CoderForLife> back from Home Despot

10:40 <CoderForLife> hello BiteAbleKat

10:40 <CoderForLife> &more BiteAbleKat

10:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 40s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;

10:45 <hawmps> home despot...

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11:02 <Tank_Master> home grown pot

11:02 <Tank_Master> damn cold out

11:02 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007

11:02 <Tank_Master> &more

11:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42.4F / 5.8C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs around 50. Light wind becoming south 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the mid to upper 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the south after (1 more message)

11:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight.; Wednesday - Rain showers mixed with snow to 500 feet in the morning...then showers in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Highs 45 to 50. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:15 PM PDT on March 25, 2008;

11:03 <Tank_Master> ...

11:03 <Tank_Master> snow?

11:03 <Romulus> Somebody said snow is fun, Tank_Master

11:03 <Tank_Master> in the end march?

11:03 <Tank_Master> so much for global warming

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11:49 <CoderForLife> I thought that would get a response, hawmps

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11:53 <hawmps> snow here tonight too...

11:54 <CoderForLife> you lucky guy

11:54 <Romulus> crunch is brilliant in some situations :)

11:54 <hawmps> which sux

11:54 <CoderForLife> lol

11:54 <CoderForLife> I hope I'm all done

11:55 <CoderForLife> gonna start up the snow thrower in a bit, and run out the gasoline that's left (not much)

11:55 <CoderForLife> we did the ultimate nice thing yesterday, cleaned out and then hosed out the garage

12:01 <CoderForLife> great new governor you got there - been trying to keep up with Ohio?

12:05 <PovAddict> moo

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12:09 <Tank_Master> jack frost is sure nipping at my nose this morning

12:12 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict

12:12 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

12:12 <CoderForLife> hello jack frost

12:13 <Tank_Master> hiya CoderForLife

12:13 <CoderForLife> or just frost

12:13 <Tank_Master> ;)

12:13 <Romulus> it sppears that Pov has gone nuts.

12:13 <frost> hi

12:13 * PovAddict slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

12:13 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout

12:14 <CoderForLife> hi frost - didn't know if Tank_Master has blaming you

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12:15 <frost> sorry, was just looking for my mails and got to go now... see you later ;)

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12:15 <Tank_Master> tc

12:15 <Tank_Master> or not

12:15 <Tank_Master> dosent matter really

12:15 <CoderForLife> he may still be nipping, but he's not longer lurking

12:16 <Tank_Master> true

12:18 <CoderForLife> man, Hillary *really* "mis-spoke"

12:19 <hawmps> L*I*E*D..

12:22 <CoderForLife> it's amazing how she could smile and shake hands with those sniper bullets zinging overhead

12:24 <CoderForLife> well - it's up to 45 delicious degrees - time for yard work

12:24 <CoderForLife> bbl

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13:29 <xcamel> ip kill >> 208.179.186.104, 196.44.250.193

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15:30 <zombie67> got 3 more BRATS tasks

15:30 <Tank_Master> !!

15:30 <zombie67> that makes 6 now

15:38 <yoyo[RKN]> wow

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16:03 <Lorvija> heya, anyone from UK here?

16:06 <Tank_Master> probably

16:06 <Tank_Master> y?

16:07 * yoyo[RKN] is not from UK

16:07 <Lorvija> well

16:07 <Lorvija> i got a little prob

16:07 <Lorvija> well my sis

16:08 <Lorvija> she got high school place from there

16:08 <Lorvija> (she's finnish)

16:08 <Tank_Master> finished with high school?

16:09 <Lorvija> now she tried to find a apartment to live in.. and found one.. paid some... and now she faced some probs with the guy who she was trying to rent from... do you have any authority around there who deals with that kind of things?

16:10 <Tank_Master> This room is more ment for help a distrobuting computing program called BOINC

16:10 <Lorvija> :P

16:10 <Lorvija> this chan just has more familiar ppl to me.. (:

16:11 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:11 <Lorvija> and usually pretty helpful.. (:

16:13 <Lorvija> so any idea? (:

16:14 <Tank_Master> nothing helpfull

16:14 <zombie67> pov?

16:14 <Romulus> It has been said that pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

16:14 <Tank_Master> (she should try n sleep her way out of it)

16:14 <Tank_Master> not got what for long, Romulus?

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17:06 <Lorvija> nice

17:06 <Lorvija> seems it was nigerian scam

17:06 <Lorvija> stupid little sister

17:06 <Tank_Master> ahh

17:06 <Tank_Master> lol

17:09 <Lorvija> the number was some kind of rerouting number

17:09 <Lorvija> http://www.joewein.de/sw/419-phone-uk.htm#phone-uk

17:09 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1j+B> (at www.joewein.de)

17:09 <Lorvija> i bet that woman is already somewhere in france or smthing

17:10 <PovAddict> zombie67: ping

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17:12 <zombie67> hi pov!

17:12 <zombie67> would it be possible to turn on IMP so I can update my resource share?

17:13 <PovAddict> it's not turned on?

17:13 <PovAddict> I thought I turned it back on after last upgrade

17:13 <zombie67> I get "down for maintenance".

17:13 <PovAddict> nope, looks like it was stopped indeed

17:13 <PovAddict> started back now

17:13 <zombie67> thanks!

17:17 <Lorvija> you guys happen to have profile in linkedin?

17:21 <Lorvija> duh nm

17:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

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17:24 <CoderForLife> speaking of scams: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/22/foodstamps.ART_ART_03-22-08_A1_NN9NE83.html?sid=101

17:24 <wdsmia> &more

17:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the evening... then rain showers likely and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

17:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1j+R> (at dispatch.com)

17:25 <bryanUC> does the boinc client check the signature of the WU file only on d/l, or when boinc starts the WU as well?

17:25 <PovAddict> bryanUC: that's a project setting

17:25 <PovAddict> checks only on d/l, but you can make it check on WU start too

17:25 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#client-control

17:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1j+T> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:25 <bryanUC> heh, good

17:25 <PovAddict> verify_files_on_app_start

17:26 <bryanUC> I need to d/l some work but modify the files

17:26 <bryanUC> to run some 'known good' tests

17:26 <PovAddict> oh hmm

17:26 <bryanUC> have a problem with my app all of a sudden, trying to diagnose why

17:26 <Romulus> I see scheduler requests n stuff

17:26 <bryanUC> so I figured, lie to boinc

17:26 <PovAddict> input files or app?

17:26 <bryanUC> just wanted to make sure it doesn't catch me

17:26 <bryanUC> the app isn't returning results it seems

17:26 <PovAddict> I mean what you will modify?

17:27 <bryanUC> oh, the input file

17:27 <bryanUC> just change the #'s

17:27 <PovAddict> if you want to be really safe, edit the md5 on client_state.xml :)

17:27 <bryanUC> heh, too much work

17:28 <Tank_Master> lol

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17:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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17:54 <CoderForLife> &more

17:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers in the morning. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening... then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

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18:16 <MTughan> Lots of messages here... 242 since I went to school.

18:17 <PovAddict> meh

18:17 <PovAddict> I can't wait to finish pg screensaver and forget about it for a while

18:21 <DerMeister> is it really that bad? ^^

18:22 <PovAddict> well

18:22 <PovAddict> what I'd usually do is abandon the project and go work on somethng else (that's why I have two dozen "abandoned projects" on my computer)

18:22 <PovAddict> :P

18:22 <Tank_Master> it would be easier if it was rated R

18:22 <PovAddict> can't do this here

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18:23 <DerMeister> hehe... I know what you mean... It's the same here with me. Glad that porting th pg apps to linux was easy and didn't take much time :)

18:26 <ilovegizmos> can someone help me out with making a windows installer?  i'm trying to run UC2 on a client windows comp

18:26 <Romulus> was looking at a geometric rate.

18:26 <PovAddict> UC2?

18:27 <PovAddict> uppercase2 sample app?

18:27 <ilovegizmos> yep

18:27 <PovAddict> a windows "installer"??

18:27 <ilovegizmos> that's what the BOINC site said

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18:27 <ilovegizmos> it said I had to make a installer catered to a specific project

18:28 <PovAddict> well you probably misread it

18:28 <PovAddict> stuff isn't "installed"

18:28 <PovAddict> boinc will just download your .exe and run it, no "installation"

18:29 <ilovegizmos> well crap

18:30 <ilovegizmos> OK how does one make the .exe then?

18:30 <Tank_Master> compile it

18:30 <ilovegizmos> compile UC2 on the server?  i got errors with it

18:31 <PovAddict> well, unless you have a cross-compiler, no, you can't compile on the server itself

18:31 <PovAddict> you need to compile for Windows...

18:31 <yoyo[RKN]> the exe must be compiled on a windows system

18:32 <yoyo[RKN]> but the linux version can be compiled on the server

18:32 <yoyo[RKN]> assumed the server runs on Linux

18:33 <ilovegizmos> so how can a linux server run a windows grid?  it seemed oh-so simple

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18:33 <PovAddict> you need to compile your app for Windows

18:33 <PovAddict> then copy it over to the server, and have the server distribute it to the clients

18:33 <ilovegizmos> ahhh so

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18:34 <ilovegizmos> does the windows computer need to have the boinc server installed or does it just need a compiler like Visual Studio?

18:35 <PovAddict> just the compiler

18:35 <PovAddict> (the server doesn't run on Windows, actually)

18:35 <ilovegizmos> oh ok

18:35 <Tank_Master> the BOINC developers refuse to develop for antything that isnt open sorce

18:35 <PovAddict> huh?

18:35 <Tank_Master> so ther eis no windows server

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18:35 <ilovegizmos> it should compile with Visual Studio right? cause it's in C?

18:35 <PovAddict> yes

18:35 <Tank_Master> there is*

18:35 <Tank_Master> yes

18:36 <Romulus> cant rename output file

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18:36 <PovAddict> in fact it's a bit of a pain to compile on Windows using gcc (although that's what I do, I don't have visual studio)

18:36 <Tank_Master> &stfu

18:36 <Romulus> You can't turn markov up! You'll just have to live with it...

18:36 <ilovegizmos> well if you want to can get vis studio for free

18:36 <ilovegizmos> there's a site that supplies it to college students

18:36 <Tank_Master> legal?

18:36 <ilovegizmos> yea

18:37 <Tank_Master> but thats only for the student of the coloage

18:37 <PovAddict> yeah I tried the free version

18:37 <Tank_Master> not to be distrubuted out

18:37 <ilovegizmos> yea

18:37 <PovAddict> uninstalled it an hour after installing, I couldn't manage to do anything with it

18:37 <Tank_Master> and generally your suposed to remove the software after the clas is over

18:37 <ilovegizmos> that's cause trial sucks

18:37 <PovAddict> then spent ages trying to cleanup the mess that the uninstaller didn't remove

18:38 <ilovegizmos> the site says you can keep the software as long as you want

18:38 <ilovegizmos> they're 'promoting software development'

18:38 <PovAddict> I didn't want it to keep it longer than that

18:38 <PovAddict> ;)

18:38 <ilovegizmos> they have an XBox 360 dev tool you can download too

18:38 * PovAddict doesn't own ANY game console

18:38 <Tank_Master> what version of VS is it?

18:38 <ilovegizmos> 2005

18:38 <Tank_Master> 2005 or 2008?

18:39 <Tank_Master> bah

18:39 <Tank_Master> old

18:39 <ilovegizmos> technically

18:39 <ilovegizmos> but it works

18:39 <Tank_Master> 2008 works better

18:40 <ilovegizmos> well yea but it's expensive and i don't program enough to justify the cost

18:41 <ilovegizmos> anyway, so i get the UC2 file from the site, compile in windows, move back to server, and then distribute to clients?

18:41 <PovAddict> yes

18:41 <ilovegizmos> ok cool

18:41 <PovAddict> although I have no idea how easy it is to "compile in windows" ;)

18:42 <ilovegizmos> meh

18:42 <ilovegizmos> i'll tell you it's generally not as easy as linus

18:42 <ilovegizmos> linux*

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18:47 <ilovegizmos> oh sweet they added 2008 to the free stuff

18:50 <ilovegizmos> alright, thanks for the help all

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19:08 <KathrynM> moanin'

19:09 <KathrynM> and my one journey into compiling for windows...  I'll just say NEVER AGAIN!

19:09 <efc> Hehe.. Visual C, etc ?

19:09 <KathrynM> yup

19:09 <PovAddict> I compile on Windows with no problems...

19:09 <PovAddict> MinGW

19:10 <KathrynM> fair enough ;)

19:10 <PovAddict> setting up the MinGW environment was a bit of a pain though :)

19:10 <KathrynM> It's a good thing I'm a teacher not a programmer.

19:12 <Tank_Master> heh

19:12 <KathrynM> whoa.  abc unit running almost 11 hours

19:12 <Tank_Master> nice

19:12 <Tank_Master> those are good credits

19:13 <Tank_Master> 1,000

19:13 <KathrynM> yup

19:13 <KathrynM> 10:40 and 71

19:13 <KathrynM> 71%

19:16 <PovAddict> MTughan: ping?

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19:26 <KathrynM> PovAddict, which "-" is bogus?

19:26 <KathrynM> ps -o user,pid,ppid,command -ax

19:26 <KathrynM> and why?

19:26 <Romulus> I guess and why is I awake? it's not even 8 am, KathrynM

19:27 <KathrynM> actually rommie, it's 0827

19:30 <zombie67> i use ps- -aux or ps -ef, depending on the OS

19:30 <zombie67> ps -aux

19:30 <Tank_Master> .. no, its 4:30

19:30 <KathrynM> well I need the PPID

19:30 <PovAddict> KathrynM: your current use of ps is already more advanced than I have done

19:30 <KathrynM> lol

19:30 <KathrynM> Bless Google!

19:30 <zombie67> ps -ef gives ppid

19:31 <KathrynM> meh

19:31 <zombie67> or, when all else fails, "man ps"

19:31 <KathrynM> I was just curious

19:31 <KathrynM> oh god I don't want to read the man page again

19:31 <KathrynM> I did that last night

19:31 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:31 <Tank_Master> its fun reading!

19:31 <KathrynM> more fun that reading student journals?

19:32 <Tank_Master> might have less germatical errors

19:32 <KathrynM> might?

19:32 <Tank_Master> well, some you never know

19:32 <KathrynM> I have one student who regularly makes me want to gouge my eyes out

19:33 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:33 <Tank_Master> I remember s firend of mine didnt use periods

19:34 <Tank_Master> a*

19:34 <KathrynM> heh, I have students that don't believe in capital letters.

19:34 <Tank_Master> nice

19:34 <KathrynM> Then there are the ones that start ever sentence with 'and'/

19:34 <Tank_Master> I ALWAYS USE CAPS!

19:34 <Romulus> I've been sleeping most of these boxes are being displayed on the website. how can I use that though. It's the same folder.

19:34 <KathrynM> :)

19:35 <KathrynM> so what's the difference between SN and Z?

19:35 <PovAddict> "'lol' is not an appropriate substitute for the period at the end of sentences."

19:35 <Tank_Master> SN has 2 letters...

19:35 <KathrynM> especially when the PPID is 1

19:36 <KathrynM> and why am I trying to figure this out this early in the morning?

19:36 <Tank_Master> cus you love it

19:36 <KathrynM> I'm a geek.

19:36 <Tank_Master> true dat

19:36 <KathrynM> I didn't used to be like this.

19:36 <Tank_Master> a geek chick at that

19:36 <KathrynM> I was normal before BOINC.

19:36 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:37 <KathrynM> ya know, blond and clueless

19:37 <Tank_Master> BOINC: it will change your life

19:37 <KathrynM> :D

19:37 <PovAddict> for good?

19:37 <Tank_Master> no

19:37 <Tank_Master> just change it

19:37 <KathrynM> change is neither inherently bad nor good

19:37 <KathrynM> it's just different

19:37 <KathrynM> it's what you do with the changes

19:38 <Tank_Master> its just a few sence shirt of a dollar

19:38 <Tank_Master> cents*

19:38 <Tank_Master> short*

19:38 <Tank_Master> damn I have been up to long

19:38 <KathrynM> Go to bed.

19:39 <KathrynM> Don't make me put on my mother hat

19:39 * Tank_Master hides KathrynM's mother hat in the guy's locker room, next to the restroom area

19:39 <KathrynM> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

19:40 <Tank_Master> you want it, go get it ;)

19:40 <KathrynM> I'll buy a new one

19:40 <KathrynM> The old one was kinda beat up by the rug rats.

19:40 <Tank_Master> thatll cost you your kid

19:40 <KathrynM> I've got a few I'm willing to sacrifice.

19:40 <Tank_Master> LOL

19:41 <KathrynM> whoever named that one boy Bart hit the nail squarely on the head.

19:41 <Romulus> wow 4 of the two machines running Linux?

19:41 <KathrynM> rommie needs to learn how to count.

19:42 <Tank_Master> he has a nail in his head?

19:42 <KathrynM> Think Bart Simpson on crack

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20:17 <xcamel> re-hi

20:19 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

20:20 <BadBarbarian> 'lo all

20:20 <wdsmia> *lo BB

20:24 <xcamel> wazzup?

20:24 <KathrynM> laterz

20:24 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:26 <xcamel> contractor show today..

20:31 <efc> moo X

20:33 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

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20:35 <xcamel> 'lo zombie

20:35 <zombie67> hi xcamel

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20:53 <zombie67> dang.  ufluids is out of work.  good thing lattice has a bunch!

20:54 <MTughan> Anything from MindModeling on the SBCL app?

20:55 <MTughan> Nothing in the forum thread...

20:58 <zombie67> Hi MT

20:59 <MTughan> rofl... http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=byzDQ2BOqgs

20:59 <zombie67> the MindModeling admin says "a big thank you!"

20:59 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Windows Vista Sucks: the CALCULATOR crashes! (at ca.youtube.com)

20:59 <MTughan> So it works then? Great!

20:59 <zombie67> he also asks for a link to your source code.

21:00 <MTughan> I can package up what I have. Although I hope to get the changes in SBCL as soon as possible.

21:00 <zombie67> both would be appreciated.

21:01 <zombie67> he probably doesn't want to use it without the source, in case any issues pop up.

21:01 <MTughan> Yeah, makes sense.

21:01 <MTughan> I'm bunzipping it now.

21:01 <Romulus> no xcamel is not the package manager.

21:01 <MTughan> lol...

21:02 <MTughan> This may be bigger than the original archive because I think it has build objects for PPC in it.

21:03 <Tank_Master> who's calc is that? and what did they do to it to screw it up?

21:04 <PovAddict> crappy video

21:04 <MTughan> It's the calculator from Vista. And no modifications as I know.

21:04 <Tank_Master> there has to be

21:04 <zombie67> I just upgraded my cable from 6mb/384kb to 16mb/2mb.  The increased u/l will be NICE.

21:04 <Tank_Master> it doesnt crash on mine

21:04 <MTughan> Doing that?

21:04 <Tank_Master> and only take 1MB

21:04 <PovAddict> zombie67: ZOMG I don't have 2mb *download*

21:04 <PovAddict> :<

21:04 <Tank_Master> doing exactly that

21:05 <MTughan> Maybe it was a beta version of Vista or something.

21:05 <Tank_Master> left pren, enter, right pren

21:05 <zombie67> only cost me an additional $10/mo

21:05 <Tank_Master> could be

21:05 <zombie67> pov, I thought you had better connection

21:06 <MTughan> I think it was 65KB/s down averaged on Elephant's Dream?

21:06 <PovAddict> 600kbps down, 128kbps up

21:06 <PovAddict> &google calc 600kbps in KB/s

21:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 600 kbps = 75 kilobytes / second

21:06 <PovAddict> my theoretical maximum

21:06 <MTughan> Pretty close.

21:06 <zombie67> http://www.dslreports.com/im/48148662/87102.png

21:06 <MTughan> Oh, this is good too... http://www.xkcd.com/289/

21:06 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at www.xkcd.com)

21:06 <zombie67> mine tested very close to advertised numbers.

21:06 <MTughan> zombie67: You're on Comcast?

21:06 <zombie67> yeah

21:07 * Tank_Master is on fiber

21:07 <MTughan> No BitTorrent for you...

21:07 <zombie67> TM is a braggart....

21:07 * efc ate some fiber

21:07 <zombie67> MT: yeah, starts off fast...then dries up to a trickle

21:07 <xcamel> the ultimate ircalis..

21:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: what is the speedtest URL?

21:07 <zombie67> dslreports.com

21:07 <efc> I'd bury the stuff myself if they'd run it to me

21:08 <MTughan> As I've heard, Comcast allows downloading from BitTorrent, but not seeding.

21:08 <PovAddict> zombie67: I don't see a link to the tester

21:08 <zombie67> tools

21:08 <zombie67> upper right

21:09 <PovAddict> WTF

21:09 <PovAddict> 270kb/s

21:09 <zombie67> MT, how long do you think it will take?

21:09 <MTughan> For what?

21:09 <zombie67> Pov, which target did you use?

21:09 <zombie67> MT: for the source

21:09 <PovAddict> sprint I think

21:10 <zombie67> sprint where?  US?

21:10 <MTughan> Oh, it's bunzipped... Hold on, I may be able to make it smaller.

21:10 <zombie67> pov, you want to use someone local as possible

21:11 <MTughan> <a href="http://speedtest.dslreports.com"><img border=0 src="http://www.dslreports.com/im/48154813/52751.png"></a>

21:11 <PovAddict> *all* servers are in USA...

21:11 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jAn> (at www.dslreports.com)

21:11 <MTughan> Damn you, page...

21:11 <zombie67> the admin said that he was going to thank you on the front page

21:11 <MTughan> http://www.dslreports.com/im/48154813/52751.png

21:11 <zombie67> pov, find something similar but closer to you.

21:11 <MTughan> All right, I'll get on cleaning it up.

21:11 <zombie67> MT, are you on dial up??

21:12 <MTughan> ADSL.

21:12 <zombie67> ah

21:12 <MTughan> I'd lament if we were on dial-up...

21:12 <MTughan> And I wouldn't be connected 24/7.

21:12 <efc> cough

21:12 <MTughan> When I can get my laptop to stay on, that is... *Dad*

21:12 <zombie67> can't wait until depspid has lots of work again.  want to see how far I can push it.

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21:13 <zombie67> I have 14 win boxes here x 20 tasks per....

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21:13 <zombie67> will the modem melt/

21:13 <zombie67> ?

21:15 <efc> Even my lousy dial up could handle around 1000 WU/day

21:15 <efc> (seti@home)

21:15 <zombie67> I am talking about depspid,

21:15 <zombie67> each machine can run up to 20 tasks at a time

21:17 <efc> Whats the point of 20 things at once?

21:17 <zombie67> it is non-cpu-intensive

21:17 <MTughan> Wow... Original source was 3.1MB. With compiled stuff, 27.2MB.

21:18 <MTughan> There we go... After a clean, 3.4MB.

21:18 <zombie67> the app does only network stuff

21:18 <zombie67> cool

21:18 <MTughan> About a minute left to upload.

21:18 <MTughan> 25s.

21:19 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/sbcl-1.0.15-macosx.tar.bz2

21:19 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jAs> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

21:20 <zombie67> Thanks again MT!

21:20 <MTughan> np, it was a fun challenge. :D

21:20 <MTughan> "Why do they put Braille at a drive-up ATM?"

21:20 * MTughan is listening to Why by KJ-52 from Collaborations

21:20 <MTughan> One of the lines in the song. It is a rather interesting question...

21:22 <MTughan> Aw, crud... The motherboard I was looking at went up in price. $4, but it went up...

21:22 <zombie67> real answer?  it is the same panel on all the ATMs of that model, regardless of wether it is being installed at the drive up, or walk up.

21:22 <MTughan> Yeah, but it's just rather interesting.

21:23 <MTughan> And it seems that the motherboard increase is balanced out... CPU dropped $5.

21:25 <MTughan> &math calc 100 / .13

21:25 <Romulus> MTughan: 769.230769231

21:25 <MTughan> Yeah, seems about right...

21:36 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.0F / 2.2C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers this evening...then rain or snow showers likely after midnight. Snow accumulation a dusting. Lows in the mid 30s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 (2 more messages)

21:36 <xcamel> &more

21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Breezy with highs around 50. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...becoming (1 more message)

21:36 <xcamel> &more

21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: south around 5 mph after midnight.;

21:37 <xcamel> friggin yuk.

21:37 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

21:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.1F / 7.3C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph with gusts to around 20 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain showers. High around 50. East (1 more message)

21:37 <wdsmia> &more

21:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the evening... then rain showers likely and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

21:37 <xcamel> nothing like having 1000 people for "dinner and a show"

21:39 <xcamel> good thing I make the vendors pay for most of it..

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21:42 <xcamel> Didi you see this one Doug?

21:42 <xcamel> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080326/ap_on_re_us/db_cooper;_ylt=Avf0mTmCDceGy5hWdh98Q1VvzwcF

21:42 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jB$> (at news.yahoo.com)

21:46 <wdsmia> they find one every few years and the same story pops up

21:46 <xcamel> you noticed that too...

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21:47 <Soul_keeper> hey

21:47 <xcamel> 'lo SK

21:47 <Soul_keeper> this sucks, my cpu is running at 63c

21:47 <Soul_keeper> 120mm fans are weak

21:47 <MTughan> That sucks? Mine is running at 81C.

21:47 <Soul_keeper> they got no power

21:48 <MTughan> And 120mm fans have more power than 80 or 92mm fans.

21:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah if you step it up to the 38mm thick ones

21:49 <Soul_keeper> but i can only fit the 25mm ones in my case, and all the 25mm ones i've seen seem to be made by the same two or so chinese companies and branded under 10-15 different names

21:49 <Soul_keeper> they all top out around 1300-2000rpm

21:49 <xcamel> mine are running ar 134/138F

21:49 <Soul_keeper> i got 80 and 90mm fans that kick up to 5000rpm

21:49 <MTughan> Wow... I can pump the fans in my case up to 6500rpm at least.

21:49 * Soul_keeper don't comprehend F

21:49 <MTughan> Dunno about the Zalman CPU cooler, but that's pretty fast.

21:49 <PovAddict> &math convert 138 F C

21:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: 58.8888888889

21:50 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, what kind of fans do you have ?

21:50 <MTughan> In the case?

21:50 <xcamel> 57/59C

21:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah

21:50 <MTughan> Dunno. They came with it.

21:50 <Romulus> 'lo jay snow deeoer

21:50 <xcamel> 5818/6250 rpm

21:50 <Soul_keeper> i got  two 120's that run at 1500rpm  and one at 1300rpm  this just isn't good enough, they are quieter than my fish tank ...

21:51 <MTughan> Fans at that speed? I'd hope they're silent.

21:51 <Soul_keeper> i need a  120x120x25mm fan that does like 3000rpm or so

21:52 <Soul_keeper> my hard drives are gonna burn up

21:52 <Soul_keeper> they are smokin' at over 50c right now

21:52 <MTughan> You HDs are at 50C?

21:52 <MTughan> Your*

21:52 <xcamel> fryin eggs

21:52 <Soul_keeper> it appears newegg don't sell 120mmx25 fans that do over 2000rpm

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21:53 <xcamel> not silent ones, anyway..

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21:54 <xcamel> well... off with me...

21:54 <MTughan> Seems that Zalman's fans can get up to about 2800rpm, where they produce ~35dB of sound.

21:55 <MTughan> Looks like it's a 120mm fan.

21:55 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm not worried about loud, because i got fan speed adjusters, because i'm smarter than 90% of computer users i guess ...

21:55 <MTughan> Oops, mine goes up to 2600rpm, with 27.5dB.

21:56 <MTughan> http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=160

21:56 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBJ> (at www.zalman.co.kr)

21:57 <MTughan> Silent mode is 1350rpm, at 18dB.

21:57 <Soul_keeper> i can't find any fans online that are fast enough

21:57 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm gonna have to build/wrap my own motor

21:58 <MTughan> You know, 120mm fans at 1500rpm should move plenty of air... What are they on?

21:58 <MTughan> What component?

21:58 <Soul_keeper> 2 case 1 heatsink

21:59 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0193.JPG

21:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBN> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

21:59 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0194.JPG

21:59 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBP> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:00 <MTughan> Hold on, DNS is being slow...

22:00 <PovAddict> what's that flammable thing right next to your computer? xD

22:00 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0196.JPG

22:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBQ> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:00 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:00 <zombie67> slight differences in fan design can make a HUGE difference in cfm.

22:01 <Soul_keeper> i'm starting to not like this case, it's like a new foreign car, all compact and hard to get to stuff

22:01 <MTughan> For the heatsink, I'm wondering if the connection between the CPU and the heatsink isn't good. You put thermal grease on?

22:02 <Soul_keeper> that heatsink is basically the best on the market, 63c is unacceptable, these fans aren't moving enough air

22:02 <MTughan> Because I've seen reviews of that cooler, and it's good.

22:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah AS5

22:02 <MTughan> Are you able to take the top off?

22:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:02 <PovAddict> #geeks

22:03 <MTughan> Take it off, see if the temperature drops significantly. If so, it's the case fans. If not, it's the heatsink.

22:03 <Soul_keeper> no more than 3-4c

22:03 <MTughan> When you take the top off? Is that immediately, or did you leave it off for a while?

22:04 <MTughan> A 3-4C drop almost instantly is quite big... Like my CPU temperature dropping 20C within a few seconds if I take the battery out.

22:04 <Soul_keeper> dropped 2c here in about 4min

22:05 <MTughan> And stays there?

22:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:05 <MTughan> So I'd suspect the connection between the CPU and the heatsink. You used thermal grease?

22:05 <Soul_keeper> i put my hand behind the heatsink and the airflow is pathetic

22:06 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna hook up the 38mm fan with 2600rpm and see how low i can get these temps holding it there

22:06 <MTughan> It looks like there's another heatsink tower in front of the fan...

22:07 <MTughan> Did the fan come with the heatsink, or did you buy/have that one?

22:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah chipset heatsink

22:07 <Soul_keeper> bought them separate

22:08 <MTughan> So if there's not much airflow, I might suspect the fan can't pull in enough air (least unlikely), or that it is the fan after all (more likely).

22:08 <MTughan> BTW... How many SATA ports does that MB have? Looks like quite a few.

22:09 <Soul_keeper> well my 38mm wide fans would be fine

22:09 <Soul_keeper> but i can't fit them in my case without serious mods

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22:09 <zombie67> the cooling should be greater with all the panels ON.  It helps force the air flow over the components.  if it warmer with the panels on, then something is WRONG.

22:09 <Soul_keeper> and can't fit it on the cpu heatsink either for lack of space

22:09 <zombie67> maybe a fan is on backwards?

22:09 <Soul_keeper> nope

22:09 <zombie67> maybe there is a hole letting air out without going over the components?

22:10 <zombie67> sometimes there are holes on the side.

22:10 <zombie67> I tape over them

22:10 <MTughan> I was thinking that the case fans couldn't move the air through the case.

22:10 <Romulus> has that stopped PovAddict

22:10 <zombie67> could be they are just poor case fans.

22:10 <zombie67> I have seen great differences in case fan cfm

22:12 <zombie67> is the air being forced out the front drive bays?  if so, that is a problem.  it means it can't get out the back fast enough

22:13 <MTughan> I see two case fans. One in front, ahead of the expansion cards and slots, and one behind the CPU heatsink.

22:14 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:14 <Soul_keeper> exhaust behind cpu

22:15 <Soul_keeper> the idea was for the intake to be sucked over everything

22:15 <zombie67> also, make sure the HS fins are going with the airflow, not perpendicular

22:15 <MTughan> Is there air coming out the back?

22:16 <Soul_keeper> yes everything is fine

22:16 <zombie67> air flow should go front to back, and bottom to top

22:16 <Soul_keeper> the fans are just weak

22:16 <zombie67> sound like it.

22:16 <zombie67> don't skimp on fans

22:16 <Soul_keeper> sub 1500 rpm's is worthless

22:16 <MTughan> But yeah, there's not a whole lot he can do without case mods it would seem...

22:16 <zombie67> if you order from newegg, i believe they list cfm

22:16 <MTughan> Looks like you can install a bigger fan in the front though.

22:17 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=573&name=Case-Fans

22:17 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBk> (at www.newegg.com)

22:17 <zombie67> is this the clear box?

22:18 <MTughan> Yes. He posted pictures...

22:18 <MTughan> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0193.JPG

22:18 <MTughan> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0194.JPG

22:18 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBN> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:18 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBP> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:18 <MTughan> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0196.JPG

22:18 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBQ> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:18 <zombie67> ah.  so this is not a normal case

22:18 <MTughan> You have 16MB download now. You should be able to load those in a jiffy.

22:19 <Soul_keeper> just built it this weekend

22:19 <zombie67> yep

22:19 <MTughan> And I don't see CFM on the page you posted.

22:19 <MTughan> Nvm, I chose the one that didn't have it... :P

22:19 <zombie67> problem:  in and out fans are both at the top?

22:19 <Soul_keeper> i'll show you the fans i bought from newegg

22:19 <zombie67> SK, I see cfm on most of them

22:20 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998124   i purched 2 of these,   turns out the case also came with two of them just a different color  (so 4 of them now)

22:20 <zombie67> with both fans at the top, the components at the bottom get no cross-flow

22:21 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBp> (at www.newegg.com)

22:21 <zombie67> "Spinning at 1700RPM it moves 63.85CFM"

22:21 <Soul_keeper> the CFM is mostly lies at the manufacturer's discretion

22:21 <zombie67> maybe

22:21 <Soul_keeper> rpm's is what matters

22:21 <zombie67> not necessarily

22:21 <MTughan> 60-65 CFM according to the page.

22:21 <Soul_keeper> well another thing to consider is static pressure, which makes the cfm worthless

22:21 <zombie67> a fan an run slower, but still move more air.

22:22 <Soul_keeper> if you put a fan grill in front of those weak motor ones the cfm will probably cut in half

22:22 <zombie67> it depends on the shape of the blades

22:22 <MTughan> brb

22:22 <zombie67> but yeah, cfm claims are like laptop battery life claims.

22:22 <zombie67> not true, but useful as a means of comparison

22:24 <zombie67> check this one out:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999344

22:24 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBt> (at www.newegg.com)

22:24 <zombie67> 110 cfm, 2400 rpm

22:24 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185006          i also have two of these

22:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBv> (at www.newegg.com)

22:25 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705004   and one of these

22:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBx> (at www.newegg.com)

22:25 <Soul_keeper> the last one is sufficiently powerfull (i have 2 similar ones i used to use to cool my radiator for water cooling)

22:25 <Soul_keeper> but it is 38mm thick and i can't fit it

22:26 <Soul_keeper> all the 25mm thick ones are weak  they are all the same

22:26 <zombie67> look at this:  25mm  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999344

22:26 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBt> (at www.newegg.com)

22:26 <zombie67> specs very similar to your 38mm

22:27 <Soul_keeper> it might be good, but i'm skeptical

22:27 <Soul_keeper> i suspect that all the 25mm fans on newegg have the exact same motor

22:27 <zombie67> ??

22:27 <zombie67> they are all different suppliers

22:27 <Soul_keeper> it don't say how many amps it pulls

22:28 <zombie67> 12 different suppliers.

22:28 <Soul_keeper> yeah but same manufacturer in most cases

22:28 <Romulus> that's what I thought you wouldn't be connected 24/7.

22:28 <zombie67> well, we know the fans you are using don't get the job done, right?  at $15 ea, that fan I listed is a cheap experiment

22:29 <Soul_keeper> i guess

22:29 <Soul_keeper> i doubt radioshack would sell a motor that would fit in 25mm and be powerfull enough ...

22:29 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110573+1372726538+1373026503&name=%3e80+CFM

22:29 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jC5> (at www.newegg.com)

22:30 <zombie67> that is a list of the 20 120mm fans that have CFM >80

22:30 <Soul_keeper> i just noticed that silverstone has 9fins

22:30 <Soul_keeper> the ones i got have 7 fins

22:30 <zombie67> they look quite different from one another

22:30 <zombie67> number and shape of fins

22:30 <zombie67> type of bearing

22:30 <Soul_keeper> yeah i looked at everyone in that list 5min before i came in this room

22:31 <zombie67> ah

22:32 <Soul_keeper> i've taken appart over a dozen fans over the last year or two, and just took appart 3 earlier today i can take pictures if you like ...

22:33 <Soul_keeper> vantec used to be my favorite fan maker

22:33 <zombie67> i see the PSU is under the mobo.  where is it pulling in air from?

22:33 <Soul_keeper> the vantec tornadoes were the best, and likely still are

22:33 <Soul_keeper> nothing like pumping 90CFM or so thru an 80mm fan

22:33 <Soul_keeper> that's what i got used to ...

22:33 <Soul_keeper> sound like helicopters tho

22:34 <PovAddict> xD

22:34 <Soul_keeper> 110CFm thru the 90mm i believe

22:34 <zombie67> could it be that the air is entering the case from the front, and then getting sucked down to the psu, and then out the side, and missing going over the mobo and out the back?

22:35 <zombie67> the PSU fan may be over-sucking the rear fan

22:36 <MTughan> Very possible...

22:36 <Soul_keeper> lol  it was  119CFM for the 92MM tornado now that i look it up

22:36 <Soul_keeper> 4800RPM for the 92  and 5700RPM for the 80

22:37 <Soul_keeper> now those were fans that required speed controlls :)

22:37 <MTughan> lol, comment on the SilverStone fan posted here... "Makes my case sound like a JET when it's cranked up. You can hear the computer from 30' away, up a flight of stairs."

22:37 <MTughan> And his description of the air: "This baby moves more wind than an office full of people after a burrito luncheon."

22:38 <zombie67> hah!

22:38 <Soul_keeper> well you can't get airflow without creating noise, just plain and simple

22:38 <zombie67> well, air flow is not free. it comes with noise

22:38 <PovAddict> zomg rain?

22:38 <zombie67> jinx

22:38 <MTughan> Not with what we have now.

22:38 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:38 <MTughan> But they're just great descriptions.

22:38 <zombie67> SK, did you see my question about the PSU?

22:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah the bottom is basically cut off from the top

22:39 <MTughan> Plexiglass layer?

22:39 <zombie67> so where is the PSU pulling air from??

22:39 <Soul_keeper> so the psu and hard drives don't share airflow

22:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah

22:40 <Soul_keeper> 140mm exhaust fan in the psu, and i made an intake vent in front of one of my hard drives

22:40 <zombie67> which is blocked

22:40 <Soul_keeper> that intake vent causes that hard drive to run 5c cooler than the two above it

22:40 <Soul_keeper> it's blocked with an air filter

22:41 <zombie67> is it possible the PSU is pulling air flow out of the top section?

22:41 <Soul_keeper> i guess i gotta cut more holes in the case ...

22:41 <Soul_keeper> if so it shouldn't be enough to affect anything

22:41 <Soul_keeper> it would just be pulling air off the bottom of the motherboard if anything

22:41 <zombie67> well, I am outta ideas, other than:  get better fans

22:42 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i just noticed the psu sits nearly directly under the cpu

22:42 <Soul_keeper> could be generating heat onto the back of the socket

22:42 <zombie67> yeah, that is generally why the PSU is over the mobo

22:42 <zombie67> not under

22:42 <zombie67> heat rises

22:42 <PovAddict> heat doesn't move to any particular direction

22:43 <PovAddict> hot *air* moves up

22:43 <PovAddict> </nitpick>

22:43 <zombie67> also, it also looks like the pci cards are blocking the flow, front to back

22:43 <MTughan> True. Hot air rises, bringing the heat to the PSU. Effectively, the heat rises.

22:43 <zombie67> AAH!

22:43 <zombie67> got it!

22:43 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0185.JPG

22:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1hPz> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:43 <Soul_keeper> them are my fans ...

22:44 <zombie67> air goes in the front, then sucked into the GPU fan, and then out the side.  It never makes it past the GPU

22:44 <MTughan> What side?

22:44 <zombie67> left side.  you can see the vents here:  http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam15/IMG_0196.JPG

22:44 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jBQ> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

22:44 <MTughan> Oh, I see...

22:45 <MTughan> I forgot it was a dual-slot vid card.

22:45 <MTughan> So how do you fix that? More air in the front?

22:45 <Soul_keeper> yeah the card exhausts air

22:46 <zombie67> the air flow really needs to be going side to side in this case

22:46 <zombie67> from the right to the left

22:46 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Did you cut the holes for the fans in the front and back, or were they already there?

22:47 <zombie67> i am kicking butt at cels

22:47 <MTughan> No duh. You have more computers than the average person does.

22:48 <zombie67> http://cels-at-home-dev.dyndns.org/cels/top_users.php

22:48 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1g6c> (at cels-at-home-dev.dyndns.org)

22:48 <zombie67> but not more than all do!

22:48 <zombie67> there are 5-10 with way more on my team alone

22:49 <zombie67> I don't even break the top 100 in RAC (all users)

22:51 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,  they were already there

22:55 <zombie67> changing machines

22:55 <zombie67> brb

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23:06 <zombie67> simap work coming soon

23:07 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:43:01)

23:07 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

23:07 <KathrynM> hiya

23:07 <Romulus> I am no good

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23:08 <MTughan> Well, at least he speaks truth.

23:09 <PovAddict> you mean "at last"? :)

23:09 <KathrynM> hehehe

23:09 <MTughan> No, I meant "at least".

23:09 <MTughan> Although "at last" would've worked too...

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