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00:19 <Tank_Master> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11202
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00:53 <MTughan> Off to bed.
00:54 <Tank_Master> gn
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04:52 <_Danilo_> hi
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05:03 <CoderForLife> morning
05:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.0°F / -1.1°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain showers late. Breezy with highs in the mid 50s. South winds 10 to 20 mph... becoming southwest 20 to 25 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 40 (1 more message)
05:06 <CoderForLife> &more
05:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent chance of showers. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;
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05:29 <Delegate> i'm just about to reinstall linux
05:29 <Delegate> i have about 10 work units lined up
05:29 <Delegate> is there any way i can move them across to my new install
05:29 <Delegate> or will the same units be automatically downloaded when i start boinc on the new install
05:29 <KathrynM> How is BOINC installed?
05:30 <Delegate> erm, i think i just did apt-get install boinc
05:30 <KathrynM> ewwwwww
05:30 <KathrynM> Depends on the project as to whether you'll get those units back.
05:31 <Delegate> the files are in /var/lib/boinc-client/
05:31 <Delegate> einstein@home is the project
05:31 <KathrynM> Einstein will resend if it thinks it's the same computer (you might have to merge the duplicates)
05:31 <KathrynM> oh in that case.
05:31 <Delegate> well
05:31 <Delegate> there's another part to this
05:31 <KathrynM> uh oh
05:31 <KathrynM> :)
05:31 <Delegate> i was hoping to move from 32-bit ubuntu to 64-bit debian
05:32 <Delegate> will that confuse it xD
05:32 <KathrynM> well.
05:32 <KathrynM> are you just running the stock E@H app?
05:32 <KathrynM> with that big of a change in OS, you'll probably not be able to merge the computers.
05:33 <Delegate> stock app?
05:33 <Delegate> as in am i using optimized versions or something?
05:33 <KathrynM> did you install the power users app or the 64 bit beta version?
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05:33 <Delegate> i think it's the stock one in that case xD
05:34 <KathrynM> If it were me, I'd just abort the unstarted work and run the rest.
05:35 * CoderForLife runs for breakfast
05:35 <Delegate> i was just hoping i might be able to get crunching on the new install without too much downtime
05:35 <Delegate> recently it's been having trouble, reporting errors and getting my daily quota cut donw
05:35 <Delegate> down*
05:35 <KathrynM> oh
05:35 <KathrynM> what sort of errors?
05:35 <Delegate> Tue 25 Mar 2008 09:31:04 WST|Einstein@Home|Unrecoverable error for result h1_0814.40_S5R3__72_S5R3b_0 (process exited with code 112 (0x70))
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05:38 <KathrynM> looking now
05:40 <KathrynM> wow. only thread I see is from last year
05:40 <Delegate> i had a quick google but didn't find anything useful
05:40 <Delegate> i was just hoping a new install would fix the problem, if not i could look again
05:40 <KathrynM> If i were you, I'd dump all the work and start over
05:40 <KathrynM> it'll get reissued
05:40 <KathrynM> and if the problem doesn't go away, post over on the forums
05:41 <Delegate> okay, thanks for the help
05:41 <KathrynM> sorry I wasn't much help.
05:42 <Delegate> btw, you said ewww earlier when i said i used apt-get :x
05:42 <Delegate> you'd rather i compiled it?
05:42 <KathrynM> nah
05:42 <KathrynM> just use the package from Berkeley :)
05:42 <KathrynM> I installed using a beta version of an rpm
05:43 <KathrynM> But I was working pretty closely with the person developing it. SO I knew where everything was going.
05:44 <Delegate> my last unit (out of the ones i had started) just finished + uploaded
05:44 <Delegate> i'm off to install debian
05:44 <KathrynM> good luck :)
05:44 <Delegate> thanks :>
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05:49 <CoderForLife> re-morning
05:50 * KathrynM wave between bites of pepperoni pizza
05:51 <CoderForLife> ack - now Mother Nature wants to see me - bbiab
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06:07 <CoderForLife> b
06:07 <CoderForLife> how's the pizza?
06:08 <KathrynM> yummy
06:08 <CoderForLife> excellent
06:09 <KathrynM> just what the doctor ordered
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06:11 <CoderForLife> pizza by prescription?
06:12 <CoderForLife> oh, pharmacological pizza - you got mushrooms on it...
06:13 <KathrynM> pizza is the cure for a long day at the rugrat factory
06:13 <KathrynM> especailly when you had to take 7 six year olds to the store
06:14 <CoderForLife> gee - I'd rather have an organ transplant
06:14 <KathrynM> so would I
06:15 <CoderForLife> I'd start with the brain
06:21 <CoderForLife> my brain seems to be at the core of my troubles
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06:25 <hawmps> 'lo
06:25 <CoderForLife> hey
06:26 <CoderForLife> another w@#% day dawns
06:26 <CoderForLife> 4 u
06:26 <CoderForLife> "vacation" continues here
06:26 <CoderForLife> 28F
06:28 <hawmps> 17F
06:29 <KathrynM> 55F :p
06:30 <hawmps> more snow by morning - 1-3"
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07:37 <CoderForLife> time to start the "to do
07:37 <CoderForLife> " list for today
07:37 * CoderForLife wonders how that Enter key got there
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09:36 <KathrynM> any Linux gurus around?
09:39 * desti hides
09:40 <KathrynM> lol
09:40 <KathrynM> paging PovAddict
09:40 <KathrynM> :)
09:45 <KathrynM> ah never mind. I just didn't scroll down far enough in the man page :)
09:45 <desti> oh yeah, man pages could be very very long :o
09:46 <KathrynM> yeah, and the ps man page goes on like forever :D
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10:23 <BiteAbleKat> &w 98404
10:23 <Romulus> Dunno!
10:24 <BiteAbleKat> oh
10:24 <BiteAbleKat> .w 98404
10:24 <BiteAbleKat> &weather 98404
10:24 <Romulus> BiteAbleKat: Temperature: 32.9°F / 0.5°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A chance of showers this afternoon. Highs near 50. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Showers likely. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Showers likely. Highs in the upper (1 more message)
10:24 <BiteAbleKat> rainy season
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10:39 <CoderForLife> back from Home Despot
10:40 <CoderForLife> hello BiteAbleKat
10:40 <CoderForLife> &more BiteAbleKat
10:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 40s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.;
10:45 <hawmps> home despot...
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11:02 <Tank_Master> home grown pot
11:02 <Tank_Master> damn cold out
11:02 <Tank_Master> &weather 97007
11:02 <Tank_Master> &more
11:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42.4°F / 5.8°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs around 50. Light wind becoming south 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the mid to upper 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the south after (1 more message)
11:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight.; Wednesday - Rain showers mixed with snow to 500 feet in the morning...then showers in the afternoon. No snow accumulation. Highs 45 to 50. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:15 PM PDT on March 25, 2008;
11:03 <Tank_Master> ...
11:03 <Tank_Master> snow?
11:03 <Romulus> Somebody said snow is fun, Tank_Master
11:03 <Tank_Master> in the end march?
11:03 <Tank_Master> so much for global warming
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11:49 <CoderForLife> I thought that would get a response, hawmps
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11:53 <hawmps> snow here tonight too...
11:54 <CoderForLife> you lucky guy
11:54 <Romulus> crunch is brilliant in some situations :)
11:54 <hawmps> which sux
11:54 <CoderForLife> lol
11:54 <CoderForLife> I hope I'm all done
11:55 <CoderForLife> gonna start up the snow thrower in a bit, and run out the gasoline that's left (not much)
11:55 <CoderForLife> we did the ultimate nice thing yesterday, cleaned out and then hosed out the garage
12:01 <CoderForLife> great new governor you got there - been trying to keep up with Ohio?
12:05 <PovAddict> moo
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12:09 <Tank_Master> jack frost is sure nipping at my nose this morning
12:12 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict
12:12 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master
12:12 <CoderForLife> hello jack frost
12:13 <Tank_Master> hiya CoderForLife
12:13 <CoderForLife> or just frost
12:13 <Tank_Master> ;)
12:13 <Romulus> it sppears that Pov has gone nuts.
12:13 <frost> hi
12:13 * PovAddict slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout
12:13 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around a bit with a large trout
12:14 <CoderForLife> hi frost - didn't know if Tank_Master has blaming you
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12:15 <frost> sorry, was just looking for my mails and got to go now... see you later ;)
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12:15 <Tank_Master> tc
12:15 <Tank_Master> or not
12:15 <Tank_Master> dosent matter really
12:15 <CoderForLife> he may still be nipping, but he's not longer lurking
12:16 <Tank_Master> true
12:18 <CoderForLife> man, Hillary *really* "mis-spoke"
12:19 <hawmps> L*I*E*D..
12:22 <CoderForLife> it's amazing how she could smile and shake hands with those sniper bullets zinging overhead
12:24 <CoderForLife> well - it's up to 45 delicious degrees - time for yard work
12:24 <CoderForLife> bbl
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13:29 <xcamel> ip kill >> 220.127.116.11, 18.104.22.168
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15:30 <zombie67> got 3 more BRATS tasks
15:30 <Tank_Master> !!
15:30 <zombie67> that makes 6 now
15:38 <yoyo[RKN]> wow
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16:03 <Lorvija> heya, anyone from UK here?
16:06 <Tank_Master> probably
16:06 <Tank_Master> y?
16:07 * yoyo[RKN] is not from UK
16:07 <Lorvija> well
16:07 <Lorvija> i got a little prob
16:07 <Lorvija> well my sis
16:08 <Lorvija> she got high school place from there
16:08 <Lorvija> (she's finnish)
16:08 <Tank_Master> finished with high school?
16:09 <Lorvija> now she tried to find a apartment to live in.. and found one.. paid some... and now she faced some probs with the guy who she was trying to rent from... do you have any authority around there who deals with that kind of things?
16:10 <Tank_Master> This room is more ment for help a distrobuting computing program called BOINC
16:10 <Lorvija> :P
16:10 <Lorvija> this chan just has more familiar ppl to me.. (:
16:11 <Tank_Master> ahh
16:11 <Lorvija> and usually pretty helpful.. (:
16:13 <Lorvija> so any idea? (:
16:14 <Tank_Master> nothing helpfull
16:14 <zombie67> pov?
16:14 <Romulus> It has been said that pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67
16:14 <Tank_Master> (she should try n sleep her way out of it)
16:14 <Tank_Master> not got what for long, Romulus?
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17:06 <Lorvija> nice
17:06 <Lorvija> seems it was nigerian scam
17:06 <Lorvija> stupid little sister
17:06 <Tank_Master> ahh
17:06 <Tank_Master> lol
17:09 <Lorvija> the number was some kind of rerouting number
17:09 <Lorvija> i bet that woman is already somewhere in france or smthing
17:10 <PovAddict> zombie67: ping
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17:12 <zombie67> hi pov!
17:12 <zombie67> would it be possible to turn on IMP so I can update my resource share?
17:13 <PovAddict> it's not turned on?
17:13 <PovAddict> I thought I turned it back on after last upgrade
17:13 <zombie67> I get "down for maintenance".
17:13 <PovAddict> nope, looks like it was stopped indeed
17:13 <PovAddict> started back now
17:13 <zombie67> thanks!
17:17 <Lorvija> you guys happen to have profile in linkedin?
17:21 <Lorvija> duh nm
17:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50265
17:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57.4°F / 14.1°C | Humidity: 24% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 10.5mph / 16.9km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph with gusts to around 20 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain showers. High around 50. East (1 more message)
17:24 <CoderForLife> speaking of scams: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/22/foodstamps.ART_ART_03-22-08_A1_NN9NE83.html?sid=101
17:24 <wdsmia> &more
17:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the evening... then rain showers likely and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;
17:25 <bryanUC> does the boinc client check the signature of the WU file only on d/l, or when boinc starts the WU as well?
17:25 <PovAddict> bryanUC: that's a project setting
17:25 <PovAddict> checks only on d/l, but you can make it check on WU start too
17:25 <bryanUC> heh, good
17:25 <PovAddict> verify_files_on_app_start
17:26 <bryanUC> I need to d/l some work but modify the files
17:26 <bryanUC> to run some 'known good' tests
17:26 <PovAddict> oh hmm
17:26 <bryanUC> have a problem with my app all of a sudden, trying to diagnose why
17:26 <Romulus> I see scheduler requests n stuff
17:26 <bryanUC> so I figured, lie to boinc
17:26 <PovAddict> input files or app?
17:26 <bryanUC> just wanted to make sure it doesn't catch me
17:26 <bryanUC> the app isn't returning results it seems
17:26 <PovAddict> I mean what you will modify?
17:27 <bryanUC> oh, the input file
17:27 <bryanUC> just change the #'s
17:27 <PovAddict> if you want to be really safe, edit the md5 on client_state.xml :)
17:27 <bryanUC> heh, too much work
17:28 <Tank_Master> lol
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17:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
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17:54 <CoderForLife> &more
17:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers in the morning. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening... then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;
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18:16 <MTughan> Lots of messages here... 242 since I went to school.
18:17 <PovAddict> meh
18:17 <PovAddict> I can't wait to finish pg screensaver and forget about it for a while
18:21 <DerMeister> is it really that bad? ^^
18:22 <PovAddict> well
18:22 <PovAddict> what I'd usually do is abandon the project and go work on somethng else (that's why I have two dozen "abandoned projects" on my computer)
18:22 <PovAddict> :P
18:22 <Tank_Master> it would be easier if it was rated R
18:22 <PovAddict> can't do this here
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18:23 <DerMeister> hehe... I know what you mean... It's the same here with me. Glad that porting th pg apps to linux was easy and didn't take much time :)
18:26 <ilovegizmos> can someone help me out with making a windows installer? i'm trying to run UC2 on a client windows comp
18:26 <Romulus> was looking at a geometric rate.
18:26 <PovAddict> UC2?
18:27 <PovAddict> uppercase2 sample app?
18:27 <ilovegizmos> yep
18:27 <PovAddict> a windows "installer"??
18:27 <ilovegizmos> that's what the BOINC site said
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18:27 <ilovegizmos> it said I had to make a installer catered to a specific project
18:28 <PovAddict> well you probably misread it
18:28 <PovAddict> stuff isn't "installed"
18:28 <PovAddict> boinc will just download your .exe and run it, no "installation"
18:29 <ilovegizmos> well crap
18:30 <ilovegizmos> OK how does one make the .exe then?
18:30 <Tank_Master> compile it
18:30 <ilovegizmos> compile UC2 on the server? i got errors with it
18:31 <PovAddict> well, unless you have a cross-compiler, no, you can't compile on the server itself
18:31 <PovAddict> you need to compile for Windows...
18:31 <yoyo[RKN]> the exe must be compiled on a windows system
18:32 <yoyo[RKN]> but the linux version can be compiled on the server
18:32 <yoyo[RKN]> assumed the server runs on Linux
18:33 <ilovegizmos> so how can a linux server run a windows grid? it seemed oh-so simple
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18:33 <PovAddict> you need to compile your app for Windows
18:33 <PovAddict> then copy it over to the server, and have the server distribute it to the clients
18:33 <ilovegizmos> ahhh so
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18:34 <ilovegizmos> does the windows computer need to have the boinc server installed or does it just need a compiler like Visual Studio?
18:35 <PovAddict> just the compiler
18:35 <PovAddict> (the server doesn't run on Windows, actually)
18:35 <ilovegizmos> oh ok
18:35 <Tank_Master> the BOINC developers refuse to develop for antything that isnt open sorce
18:35 <PovAddict> huh?
18:35 <Tank_Master> so ther eis no windows server
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18:35 <ilovegizmos> it should compile with Visual Studio right? cause it's in C?
18:35 <PovAddict> yes
18:35 <Tank_Master> there is*
18:35 <Tank_Master> yes
18:36 <Romulus> cant rename output file
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18:36 <PovAddict> in fact it's a bit of a pain to compile on Windows using gcc (although that's what I do, I don't have visual studio)
18:36 <Tank_Master> &stfu
18:36 <Romulus> You can't turn markov up! You'll just have to live with it...
18:36 <ilovegizmos> well if you want to can get vis studio for free
18:36 <ilovegizmos> there's a site that supplies it to college students
18:36 <Tank_Master> legal?
18:36 <ilovegizmos> yea
18:37 <Tank_Master> but thats only for the student of the coloage
18:37 <PovAddict> yeah I tried the free version
18:37 <Tank_Master> not to be distrubuted out
18:37 <ilovegizmos> yea
18:37 <PovAddict> uninstalled it an hour after installing, I couldn't manage to do anything with it
18:37 <Tank_Master> and generally your suposed to remove the software after the clas is over
18:37 <ilovegizmos> that's cause trial sucks
18:37 <PovAddict> then spent ages trying to cleanup the mess that the uninstaller didn't remove
18:38 <ilovegizmos> the site says you can keep the software as long as you want
18:38 <ilovegizmos> they're 'promoting software development'
18:38 <PovAddict> I didn't want it to keep it longer than that
18:38 <PovAddict> ;)
18:38 <ilovegizmos> they have an XBox 360 dev tool you can download too
18:38 * PovAddict doesn't own ANY game console
18:38 <Tank_Master> what version of VS is it?
18:38 <ilovegizmos> 2005
18:38 <Tank_Master> 2005 or 2008?
18:39 <Tank_Master> bah
18:39 <Tank_Master> old
18:39 <ilovegizmos> technically
18:39 <ilovegizmos> but it works
18:39 <Tank_Master> 2008 works better
18:40 <ilovegizmos> well yea but it's expensive and i don't program enough to justify the cost
18:41 <ilovegizmos> anyway, so i get the UC2 file from the site, compile in windows, move back to server, and then distribute to clients?
18:41 <PovAddict> yes
18:41 <ilovegizmos> ok cool
18:41 <PovAddict> although I have no idea how easy it is to "compile in windows" ;)
18:42 <ilovegizmos> meh
18:42 <ilovegizmos> i'll tell you it's generally not as easy as linus
18:42 <ilovegizmos> linux*
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18:47 <ilovegizmos> oh sweet they added 2008 to the free stuff
18:50 <ilovegizmos> alright, thanks for the help all
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19:08 <KathrynM> moanin'
19:09 <KathrynM> and my one journey into compiling for windows... I'll just say NEVER AGAIN!
19:09 <efc> Hehe.. Visual C, etc ?
19:09 <KathrynM> yup
19:09 <PovAddict> I compile on Windows with no problems...
19:09 <PovAddict> MinGW
19:10 <KathrynM> fair enough ;)
19:10 <PovAddict> setting up the MinGW environment was a bit of a pain though :)
19:10 <KathrynM> It's a good thing I'm a teacher not a programmer.
19:12 <Tank_Master> heh
19:12 <KathrynM> whoa. abc unit running almost 11 hours
19:12 <Tank_Master> nice
19:12 <Tank_Master> those are good credits
19:13 <Tank_Master> 1,000
19:13 <KathrynM> yup
19:13 <KathrynM> 10:40 and 71
19:13 <KathrynM> 71%
19:16 <PovAddict> MTughan: ping?
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19:26 <KathrynM> PovAddict, which "-" is bogus?
19:26 <KathrynM> ps -o user,pid,ppid,command -ax
19:26 <KathrynM> and why?
19:26 <Romulus> I guess and why is I awake? it's not even 8 am, KathrynM
19:27 <KathrynM> actually rommie, it's 0827
19:30 <zombie67> i use ps- -aux or ps -ef, depending on the OS
19:30 <zombie67> ps -aux
19:30 <Tank_Master> .. no, its 4:30
19:30 <KathrynM> well I need the PPID
19:30 <PovAddict> KathrynM: your current use of ps is already more advanced than I have done
19:30 <KathrynM> lol
19:30 <KathrynM> Bless Google!
19:30 <zombie67> ps -ef gives ppid
19:31 <KathrynM> meh
19:31 <zombie67> or, when all else fails, "man ps"
19:31 <KathrynM> I was just curious
19:31 <KathrynM> oh god I don't want to read the man page again
19:31 <KathrynM> I did that last night
19:31 <Tank_Master> LOL
19:31 <Tank_Master> its fun reading!
19:31 <KathrynM> more fun that reading student journals?
19:32 <Tank_Master> might have less germatical errors
19:32 <KathrynM> might?
19:32 <Tank_Master> well, some you never know
19:32 <KathrynM> I have one student who regularly makes me want to gouge my eyes out
19:33 <Tank_Master> LOL
19:33 <Tank_Master> I remember s firend of mine didnt use periods
19:34 <Tank_Master> a*
19:34 <KathrynM> heh, I have students that don't believe in capital letters.
19:34 <Tank_Master> nice
19:34 <KathrynM> Then there are the ones that start ever sentence with 'and'/
19:34 <Tank_Master> I ALWAYS USE CAPS!
19:34 <Romulus> I've been sleeping most of these boxes are being displayed on the website. how can I use that though. It's the same folder.
19:34 <KathrynM> :)
19:35 <KathrynM> so what's the difference between SN and Z?
19:35 <PovAddict> "'lol' is not an appropriate substitute for the period at the end of sentences."
19:35 <Tank_Master> SN has 2 letters...
19:35 <KathrynM> especially when the PPID is 1
19:36 <KathrynM> and why am I trying to figure this out this early in the morning?
19:36 <Tank_Master> cus you love it
19:36 <KathrynM> I'm a geek.
19:36 <Tank_Master> true dat
19:36 <KathrynM> I didn't used to be like this.
19:36 <Tank_Master> a geek chick at that
19:36 <KathrynM> I was normal before BOINC.
19:36 <Tank_Master> LOL
19:37 <KathrynM> ya know, blond and clueless
19:37 <Tank_Master> BOINC: it will change your life
19:37 <KathrynM> :D
19:37 <PovAddict> for good?
19:37 <Tank_Master> no
19:37 <Tank_Master> just change it
19:37 <KathrynM> change is neither inherently bad nor good
19:37 <KathrynM> it's just different
19:37 <KathrynM> it's what you do with the changes
19:38 <Tank_Master> its just a few sence shirt of a dollar
19:38 <Tank_Master> cents*
19:38 <Tank_Master> short*
19:38 <Tank_Master> damn I have been up to long
19:38 <KathrynM> Go to bed.
19:39 <KathrynM> Don't make me put on my mother hat
19:39 * Tank_Master hides KathrynM's mother hat in the guy's locker room, next to the restroom area
19:39 <KathrynM> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
19:40 <Tank_Master> you want it, go get it ;)
19:40 <KathrynM> I'll buy a new one
19:40 <KathrynM> The old one was kinda beat up by the rug rats.
19:40 <Tank_Master> thatll cost you your kid
19:40 <KathrynM> I've got a few I'm willing to sacrifice.
19:40 <Tank_Master> LOL
19:41 <KathrynM> whoever named that one boy Bart hit the nail squarely on the head.
19:41 <Romulus> wow 4 of the two machines running Linux?
19:41 <KathrynM> rommie needs to learn how to count.
19:42 <Tank_Master> he has a nail in his head?
19:42 <KathrynM> Think Bart Simpson on crack
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20:17 <xcamel> re-hi
20:19 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
20:20 <BadBarbarian> 'lo all
20:20 <wdsmia> *lo BB
20:24 <xcamel> wazzup?
20:24 <KathrynM> laterz
20:24 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
20:26 <xcamel> contractor show today..
20:31 <efc> moo X
20:33 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
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20:35 <xcamel> 'lo zombie
20:35 <zombie67> hi xcamel
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20:53 <zombie67> dang. ufluids is out of work. good thing lattice has a bunch!
20:54 <MTughan> Anything from MindModeling on the SBCL app?
20:55 <MTughan> Nothing in the forum thread...
20:58 <zombie67> Hi MT
20:59 <zombie67> the MindModeling admin says "a big thank you!"
20:59 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Windows Vista Sucks: the CALCULATOR crashes! (at ca.youtube.com)
20:59 <MTughan> So it works then? Great!
20:59 <zombie67> he also asks for a link to your source code.
21:00 <MTughan> I can package up what I have. Although I hope to get the changes in SBCL as soon as possible.
21:00 <zombie67> both would be appreciated.
21:01 <zombie67> he probably doesn't want to use it without the source, in case any issues pop up.
21:01 <MTughan> Yeah, makes sense.
21:01 <MTughan> I'm bunzipping it now.
21:01 <Romulus> no xcamel is not the package manager.
21:01 <MTughan> lol...
21:02 <MTughan> This may be bigger than the original archive because I think it has build objects for PPC in it.
21:03 <Tank_Master> who's calc is that? and what did they do to it to screw it up?
21:04 <PovAddict> crappy video
21:04 <MTughan> It's the calculator from Vista. And no modifications as I know.
21:04 <Tank_Master> there has to be
21:04 <zombie67> I just upgraded my cable from 6mb/384kb to 16mb/2mb. The increased u/l will be NICE.
21:04 <Tank_Master> it doesnt crash on mine
21:04 <MTughan> Doing that?
21:04 <Tank_Master> and only take 1MB
21:04 <PovAddict> zombie67: ZOMG I don't have 2mb *download*
21:04 <PovAddict> :<
21:04 <Tank_Master> doing exactly that
21:05 <MTughan> Maybe it was a beta version of Vista or something.
21:05 <Tank_Master> left pren, enter, right pren
21:05 <zombie67> only cost me an additional $10/mo
21:05 <Tank_Master> could be
21:05 <zombie67> pov, I thought you had better connection
21:06 <MTughan> I think it was 65KB/s down averaged on Elephant's Dream?
21:06 <PovAddict> 600kbps down, 128kbps up
21:06 <PovAddict> &google calc 600kbps in KB/s
21:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 600 kbps = 75 kilobytes / second
21:06 <PovAddict> my theoretical maximum
21:06 <MTughan> Pretty close.
21:06 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at www.xkcd.com)
21:06 <zombie67> mine tested very close to advertised numbers.
21:06 <MTughan> zombie67: You're on Comcast?
21:06 <zombie67> yeah
21:07 * Tank_Master is on fiber
21:07 <MTughan> No BitTorrent for you...
21:07 <zombie67> TM is a braggart....
21:07 * efc ate some fiber
21:07 <zombie67> MT: yeah, starts off fast...then dries up to a trickle
21:07 <xcamel> the ultimate ircalis..
21:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: what is the speedtest URL?
21:07 <zombie67> dslreports.com
21:07 <efc> I'd bury the stuff myself if they'd run it to me
21:08 <MTughan> As I've heard, Comcast allows downloading from BitTorrent, but not seeding.
21:08 <PovAddict> zombie67: I don't see a link to the tester
21:08 <zombie67> tools
21:08 <zombie67> upper right
21:09 <PovAddict> WTF
21:09 <PovAddict> 270kb/s
21:09 <zombie67> MT, how long do you think it will take?
21:09 <MTughan> For what?
21:09 <zombie67> Pov, which target did you use?
21:09 <zombie67> MT: for the source
21:09 <PovAddict> sprint I think
21:10 <zombie67> sprint where? US?
21:10 <MTughan> Oh, it's bunzipped... Hold on, I may be able to make it smaller.
21:10 <zombie67> pov, you want to use someone local as possible
21:11 <PovAddict> *all* servers are in USA...
21:11 <MTughan> Damn you, page...
21:11 <zombie67> the admin said that he was going to thank you on the front page
21:11 <zombie67> pov, find something similar but closer to you.
21:11 <MTughan> All right, I'll get on cleaning it up.
21:11 <zombie67> MT, are you on dial up??
21:12 <MTughan> ADSL.
21:12 <zombie67> ah
21:12 <MTughan> I'd lament if we were on dial-up...
21:12 <MTughan> And I wouldn't be connected 24/7.
21:12 <efc> cough
21:12 <MTughan> When I can get my laptop to stay on, that is... *Dad*
21:12 <zombie67> can't wait until depspid has lots of work again. want to see how far I can push it.
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21:13 <zombie67> I have 14 win boxes here x 20 tasks per....
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21:13 <zombie67> will the modem melt/
21:13 <zombie67> ?
21:15 <efc> Even my lousy dial up could handle around 1000 WU/day
21:15 <efc> (seti@home)
21:15 <zombie67> I am talking about depspid,
21:15 <zombie67> each machine can run up to 20 tasks at a time
21:17 <efc> Whats the point of 20 things at once?
21:17 <zombie67> it is non-cpu-intensive
21:17 <MTughan> Wow... Original source was 3.1MB. With compiled stuff, 27.2MB.
21:18 <MTughan> There we go... After a clean, 3.4MB.
21:18 <zombie67> the app does only network stuff
21:18 <zombie67> cool
21:18 <MTughan> About a minute left to upload.
21:18 <MTughan> 25s.
21:20 <zombie67> Thanks again MT!
21:20 <MTughan> np, it was a fun challenge. :D
21:20 <MTughan> "Why do they put Braille at a drive-up ATM?"
21:20 * MTughan is listening to Why by KJ-52 from Collaborations
21:20 <MTughan> One of the lines in the song. It is a rather interesting question...
21:22 <MTughan> Aw, crud... The motherboard I was looking at went up in price. $4, but it went up...
21:22 <zombie67> real answer? it is the same panel on all the ATMs of that model, regardless of wether it is being installed at the drive up, or walk up.
21:22 <MTughan> Yeah, but it's just rather interesting.
21:23 <MTughan> And it seems that the motherboard increase is balanced out... CPU dropped $5.
21:25 <MTughan> &math calc 100 / .13
21:25 <Romulus> MTughan: 769.230769231
21:25 <MTughan> Yeah, seems about right...
21:36 <xcamel> &wx 12074
21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.0°F / 2.2°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers this evening...then rain or snow showers likely after midnight. Snow accumulation a dusting. Lows in the mid 30s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 (2 more messages)
21:36 <xcamel> &more
21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Breezy with highs around 50. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...becoming (1 more message)
21:36 <xcamel> &more
21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: south around 5 mph after midnight.;
21:37 <xcamel> friggin yuk.
21:37 <wdsmia> &wx 50265
21:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.1°F / 7.3°C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph with gusts to around 20 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain showers. High around 50. East (1 more message)
21:37 <wdsmia> &more
21:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the evening... then rain showers likely and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;
21:37 <xcamel> nothing like having 1000 people for "dinner and a show"
21:39 <xcamel> good thing I make the vendors pay for most of it..
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21:42 <xcamel> Didi you see this one Doug?
21:46 <wdsmia> they find one every few years and the same story pops up
21:46 <xcamel> you noticed that too...
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21:47 <Soul_keeper> hey
21:47 <xcamel> 'lo SK
21:47 <Soul_keeper> this sucks, my cpu is running at 63c
21:47 <Soul_keeper> 120mm fans are weak
21:47 <MTughan> That sucks? Mine is running at 81C.
21:47 <Soul_keeper> they got no power
21:48 <MTughan> And 120mm fans have more power than 80 or 92mm fans.
21:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah if you step it up to the 38mm thick ones
21:49 <Soul_keeper> but i can only fit the 25mm ones in my case, and all the 25mm ones i've seen seem to be made by the same two or so chinese companies and branded under 10-15 different names
21:49 <Soul_keeper> they all top out around 1300-2000rpm
21:49 <xcamel> mine are running ar 134/138F
21:49 <Soul_keeper> i got 80 and 90mm fans that kick up to 5000rpm
21:49 <MTughan> Wow... I can pump the fans in my case up to 6500rpm at least.
21:49 * Soul_keeper don't comprehend F
21:49 <MTughan> Dunno about the Zalman CPU cooler, but that's pretty fast.
21:49 <PovAddict> &math convert 138 F C
21:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: 58.8888888889
21:50 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, what kind of fans do you have ?
21:50 <MTughan> In the case?
21:50 <xcamel> 57/59C
21:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah
21:50 <MTughan> Dunno. They came with it.
21:50 <Romulus> 'lo jay snow deeoer
21:50 <xcamel> 5818/6250 rpm
21:50 <Soul_keeper> i got two 120's that run at 1500rpm and one at 1300rpm this just isn't good enough, they are quieter than my fish tank ...
21:51 <MTughan> Fans at that speed? I'd hope they're silent.
21:51 <Soul_keeper> i need a 120x120x25mm fan that does like 3000rpm or so
21:52 <Soul_keeper> my hard drives are gonna burn up
21:52 <Soul_keeper> they are smokin' at over 50c right now
21:52 <MTughan> You HDs are at 50C?
21:52 <MTughan> Your*
21:52 <xcamel> fryin eggs
21:52 <Soul_keeper> it appears newegg don't sell 120mmx25 fans that do over 2000rpm
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21:53 <xcamel> not silent ones, anyway..
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21:54 <xcamel> well... off with me...
21:54 <MTughan> Seems that Zalman's fans can get up to about 2800rpm, where they produce ~35dB of sound.
21:55 <MTughan> Looks like it's a 120mm fan.
21:55 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm not worried about loud, because i got fan speed adjusters, because i'm smarter than 90% of computer users i guess ...
21:55 <MTughan> Oops, mine goes up to 2600rpm, with 27.5dB.
21:57 <MTughan> Silent mode is 1350rpm, at 18dB.
21:57 <Soul_keeper> i can't find any fans online that are fast enough
21:57 <Soul_keeper> i think i'm gonna have to build/wrap my own motor
21:58 <MTughan> You know, 120mm fans at 1500rpm should move plenty of air... What are they on?
21:58 <MTughan> What component?
21:58 <Soul_keeper> 2 case 1 heatsink
22:00 <MTughan> Hold on, DNS is being slow...
22:00 <PovAddict> what's that flammable thing right next to your computer? xD
22:00 <Soul_keeper> :)
22:00 <zombie67> slight differences in fan design can make a HUGE difference in cfm.
22:01 <Soul_keeper> i'm starting to not like this case, it's like a new foreign car, all compact and hard to get to stuff
22:01 <MTughan> For the heatsink, I'm wondering if the connection between the CPU and the heatsink isn't good. You put thermal grease on?
22:02 <Soul_keeper> that heatsink is basically the best on the market, 63c is unacceptable, these fans aren't moving enough air
22:02 <MTughan> Because I've seen reviews of that cooler, and it's good.
22:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah AS5
22:02 <MTughan> Are you able to take the top off?
22:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah
22:02 <PovAddict> #geeks
22:03 <MTughan> Take it off, see if the temperature drops significantly. If so, it's the case fans. If not, it's the heatsink.
22:03 <Soul_keeper> no more than 3-4c
22:03 <MTughan> When you take the top off? Is that immediately, or did you leave it off for a while?
22:04 <MTughan> A 3-4C drop almost instantly is quite big... Like my CPU temperature dropping 20C within a few seconds if I take the battery out.
22:04 <Soul_keeper> dropped 2c here in about 4min
22:05 <MTughan> And stays there?
22:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah
22:05 <MTughan> So I'd suspect the connection between the CPU and the heatsink. You used thermal grease?
22:05 <Soul_keeper> i put my hand behind the heatsink and the airflow is pathetic
22:06 <Soul_keeper> i'm gonna hook up the 38mm fan with 2600rpm and see how low i can get these temps holding it there
22:06 <MTughan> It looks like there's another heatsink tower in front of the fan...
22:07 <MTughan> Did the fan come with the heatsink, or did you buy/have that one?
22:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah chipset heatsink
22:07 <Soul_keeper> bought them separate
22:08 <MTughan> So if there's not much airflow, I might suspect the fan can't pull in enough air (least unlikely), or that it is the fan after all (more likely).
22:08 <MTughan> BTW... How many SATA ports does that MB have? Looks like quite a few.
22:09 <Soul_keeper> well my 38mm wide fans would be fine
22:09 <Soul_keeper> but i can't fit them in my case without serious mods
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22:09 <zombie67> the cooling should be greater with all the panels ON. It helps force the air flow over the components. if it warmer with the panels on, then something is WRONG.
22:09 <Soul_keeper> and can't fit it on the cpu heatsink either for lack of space
22:09 <zombie67> maybe a fan is on backwards?
22:09 <Soul_keeper> nope
22:09 <zombie67> maybe there is a hole letting air out without going over the components?
22:10 <zombie67> sometimes there are holes on the side.
22:10 <zombie67> I tape over them
22:10 <MTughan> I was thinking that the case fans couldn't move the air through the case.
22:10 <Romulus> has that stopped PovAddict
22:10 <zombie67> could be they are just poor case fans.
22:10 <zombie67> I have seen great differences in case fan cfm
22:12 <zombie67> is the air being forced out the front drive bays? if so, that is a problem. it means it can't get out the back fast enough
22:13 <MTughan> I see two case fans. One in front, ahead of the expansion cards and slots, and one behind the CPU heatsink.
22:14 <Soul_keeper> yeah
22:14 <Soul_keeper> exhaust behind cpu
22:15 <Soul_keeper> the idea was for the intake to be sucked over everything
22:15 <zombie67> also, make sure the HS fins are going with the airflow, not perpendicular
22:15 <MTughan> Is there air coming out the back?
22:16 <Soul_keeper> yes everything is fine
22:16 <zombie67> air flow should go front to back, and bottom to top
22:16 <Soul_keeper> the fans are just weak
22:16 <zombie67> sound like it.
22:16 <zombie67> don't skimp on fans
22:16 <Soul_keeper> sub 1500 rpm's is worthless
22:16 <MTughan> But yeah, there's not a whole lot he can do without case mods it would seem...
22:16 <zombie67> if you order from newegg, i believe they list cfm
22:16 <MTughan> Looks like you can install a bigger fan in the front though.
22:17 <zombie67> is this the clear box?
22:18 <MTughan> Yes. He posted pictures...
22:18 <zombie67> ah. so this is not a normal case
22:18 <MTughan> You have 16MB download now. You should be able to load those in a jiffy.
22:19 <Soul_keeper> just built it this weekend
22:19 <zombie67> yep
22:19 <MTughan> And I don't see CFM on the page you posted.
22:19 <MTughan> Nvm, I chose the one that didn't have it... :P
22:19 <zombie67> problem: in and out fans are both at the top?
22:19 <Soul_keeper> i'll show you the fans i bought from newegg
22:19 <zombie67> SK, I see cfm on most of them
22:20 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998124 i purched 2 of these, turns out the case also came with two of them just a different color (so 4 of them now)
22:20 <zombie67> with both fans at the top, the components at the bottom get no cross-flow
22:21 <zombie67> "Spinning at 1700RPM it moves 63.85CFM"
22:21 <Soul_keeper> the CFM is mostly lies at the manufacturer's discretion
22:21 <zombie67> maybe
22:21 <Soul_keeper> rpm's is what matters
22:21 <zombie67> not necessarily
22:21 <MTughan> 60-65 CFM according to the page.
22:21 <Soul_keeper> well another thing to consider is static pressure, which makes the cfm worthless
22:21 <zombie67> a fan an run slower, but still move more air.
22:22 <Soul_keeper> if you put a fan grill in front of those weak motor ones the cfm will probably cut in half
22:22 <zombie67> it depends on the shape of the blades
22:22 <MTughan> brb
22:22 <zombie67> but yeah, cfm claims are like laptop battery life claims.
22:22 <zombie67> not true, but useful as a means of comparison
22:24 <zombie67> check this one out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999344
22:24 <zombie67> 110 cfm, 2400 rpm
22:24 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185006 i also have two of these
22:25 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835705004 and one of these
22:25 <Soul_keeper> the last one is sufficiently powerfull (i have 2 similar ones i used to use to cool my radiator for water cooling)
22:25 <Soul_keeper> but it is 38mm thick and i can't fit it
22:26 <Soul_keeper> all the 25mm thick ones are weak they are all the same
22:26 <zombie67> look at this: 25mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999344
22:26 <zombie67> specs very similar to your 38mm
22:27 <Soul_keeper> it might be good, but i'm skeptical
22:27 <Soul_keeper> i suspect that all the 25mm fans on newegg have the exact same motor
22:27 <zombie67> ??
22:27 <zombie67> they are all different suppliers
22:27 <Soul_keeper> it don't say how many amps it pulls
22:28 <zombie67> 12 different suppliers.
22:28 <Soul_keeper> yeah but same manufacturer in most cases
22:28 <Romulus> that's what I thought you wouldn't be connected 24/7.
22:28 <zombie67> well, we know the fans you are using don't get the job done, right? at $15 ea, that fan I listed is a cheap experiment
22:29 <Soul_keeper> i guess
22:29 <Soul_keeper> i doubt radioshack would sell a motor that would fit in 25mm and be powerfull enough ...
22:30 <zombie67> that is a list of the 20 120mm fans that have CFM >80
22:30 <Soul_keeper> i just noticed that silverstone has 9fins
22:30 <Soul_keeper> the ones i got have 7 fins
22:30 <zombie67> they look quite different from one another
22:30 <zombie67> number and shape of fins
22:30 <zombie67> type of bearing
22:30 <Soul_keeper> yeah i looked at everyone in that list 5min before i came in this room
22:31 <zombie67> ah
22:32 <Soul_keeper> i've taken appart over a dozen fans over the last year or two, and just took appart 3 earlier today i can take pictures if you like ...
22:33 <Soul_keeper> vantec used to be my favorite fan maker
22:33 <zombie67> i see the PSU is under the mobo. where is it pulling in air from?
22:33 <Soul_keeper> the vantec tornadoes were the best, and likely still are
22:33 <Soul_keeper> nothing like pumping 90CFM or so thru an 80mm fan
22:33 <Soul_keeper> that's what i got used to ...
22:33 <Soul_keeper> sound like helicopters tho
22:34 <PovAddict> xD
22:34 <Soul_keeper> 110CFm thru the 90mm i believe
22:34 <zombie67> could it be that the air is entering the case from the front, and then getting sucked down to the psu, and then out the side, and missing going over the mobo and out the back?
22:35 <zombie67> the PSU fan may be over-sucking the rear fan
22:36 <MTughan> Very possible...
22:36 <Soul_keeper> lol it was 119CFM for the 92MM tornado now that i look it up
22:36 <Soul_keeper> 4800RPM for the 92 and 5700RPM for the 80
22:37 <Soul_keeper> now those were fans that required speed controlls :)
22:37 <MTughan> lol, comment on the SilverStone fan posted here... "Makes my case sound like a JET when it's cranked up. You can hear the computer from 30' away, up a flight of stairs."
22:37 <MTughan> And his description of the air: "This baby moves more wind than an office full of people after a burrito luncheon."
22:38 <zombie67> hah!
22:38 <Soul_keeper> well you can't get airflow without creating noise, just plain and simple
22:38 <zombie67> well, air flow is not free. it comes with noise
22:38 <PovAddict> zomg rain?
22:38 <zombie67> jinx
22:38 <MTughan> Not with what we have now.
22:38 <Soul_keeper> :)
22:38 <MTughan> But they're just great descriptions.
22:38 <zombie67> SK, did you see my question about the PSU?
22:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah the bottom is basically cut off from the top
22:39 <MTughan> Plexiglass layer?
22:39 <zombie67> so where is the PSU pulling air from??
22:39 <Soul_keeper> so the psu and hard drives don't share airflow
22:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah
22:40 <Soul_keeper> 140mm exhaust fan in the psu, and i made an intake vent in front of one of my hard drives
22:40 <zombie67> which is blocked
22:40 <Soul_keeper> that intake vent causes that hard drive to run 5c cooler than the two above it
22:40 <Soul_keeper> it's blocked with an air filter
22:41 <zombie67> is it possible the PSU is pulling air flow out of the top section?
22:41 <Soul_keeper> i guess i gotta cut more holes in the case ...
22:41 <Soul_keeper> if so it shouldn't be enough to affect anything
22:41 <Soul_keeper> it would just be pulling air off the bottom of the motherboard if anything
22:41 <zombie67> well, I am outta ideas, other than: get better fans
22:42 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i just noticed the psu sits nearly directly under the cpu
22:42 <Soul_keeper> could be generating heat onto the back of the socket
22:42 <zombie67> yeah, that is generally why the PSU is over the mobo
22:42 <zombie67> not under
22:42 <zombie67> heat rises
22:42 <PovAddict> heat doesn't move to any particular direction
22:43 <PovAddict> hot *air* moves up
22:43 <PovAddict> </nitpick>
22:43 <zombie67> also, it also looks like the pci cards are blocking the flow, front to back
22:43 <MTughan> True. Hot air rises, bringing the heat to the PSU. Effectively, the heat rises.
22:43 <zombie67> AAH!
22:43 <zombie67> got it!
22:43 <Soul_keeper> them are my fans ...
22:44 <zombie67> air goes in the front, then sucked into the GPU fan, and then out the side. It never makes it past the GPU
22:44 <MTughan> What side?
22:44 <MTughan> Oh, I see...
22:45 <MTughan> I forgot it was a dual-slot vid card.
22:45 <MTughan> So how do you fix that? More air in the front?
22:45 <Soul_keeper> yeah the card exhausts air
22:46 <zombie67> the air flow really needs to be going side to side in this case
22:46 <zombie67> from the right to the left
22:46 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Did you cut the holes for the fans in the front and back, or were they already there?
22:47 <zombie67> i am kicking butt at cels
22:47 <MTughan> No duh. You have more computers than the average person does.
22:48 <zombie67> but not more than all do!
22:48 <zombie67> there are 5-10 with way more on my team alone
22:49 <zombie67> I don't even break the top 100 in RAC (all users)
22:51 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, they were already there
22:55 <zombie67> changing machines
22:55 <zombie67> brb
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23:06 <zombie67> simap work coming soon
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23:07 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy
23:07 <KathrynM> hiya
23:07 <Romulus> I am no good
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23:08 <MTughan> Well, at least he speaks truth.
23:09 <PovAddict> you mean "at last"? :)
23:09 <KathrynM> hehehe
23:09 <MTughan> No, I meant "at least".
23:09 <MTughan> Although "at last" would've worked too...
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23:37 <infinisoft> Yay just submitted first CPDN slab
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23:45 <Tank_Master> congrats
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