IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-03-26

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00:01 <MTughan> &cad

00:01 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

00:01 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:01 <Romulus> http://www.xkcd.com/

00:01 <MTughan> Hey, the XKCD is about LHC!

00:02 <Romulus> I'm going to bed :)

00:03 <Tank_Master> good

00:03 <Tank_Master> and stay there

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02:38 <efc> &weather yakutsk

02:38 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM YAKT; Overcast. High:32 F. / 0 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:12 F. / -11 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Overcast. Low:12 F. / -11 C.; Overcast. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Chance of Snow. Low:13 F. / -10 C.;

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02:48 <efc> &weather 31088

02:48 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 30s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds up to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 40s. Light and variable winds.; Fire Weather Warning for (1 more message)

02:50 <Tank_Master> &weather boring

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

02:50 <Tank_Master> &weather boring, or

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 41.1F / 5.1C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Chance of showers this evening...then showers after midnight. Lows in the mid to upper 30s. South wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 10 to 20 mph.; Wednesday - Showers mixed with snow to 500 feet in the morning then showers and a (2 more messages)

02:50 <Tank_Master> &more

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the afternoon. Snow level 1000 feet. No snow accumulation. Highs in the mid to upper 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Showers and a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then rain and snow showers likely after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the evening. Snow level (1 more message)

02:50 <Tank_Master> &more

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 1000 feet. Little or no snow accumulation. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

02:51 <efc> Lots of weather

02:51 <Tank_Master> ill say

02:51 <Tank_Master> to bad I live below 500'

02:52 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

02:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 41.7F / 5.4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Chance of showers this evening...then showers after midnight. Lows in the mid to upper 30s. South wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 10 to 20 mph.; Wednesday - Showers mixed with snow to 500 feet in the morning then showers and a (2 more messages)

02:52 <Tank_Master> &more

02:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the afternoon. Snow level 1000 feet. No snow accumulation. Highs in the mid to upper 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Showers and a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then rain and snow showers likely after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the evening. Snow level (1 more message)

02:52 <Tank_Master> &more

02:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 1000 feet. Little or no snow accumulation. Lows around 35. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

02:52 <Tank_Master> same message for a 2h drive distance

03:04 * efc enjoys a Milk-Bone as the democrats wipe each other out

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03:04 <Tank_Master> hehe

03:06 <efc> I always watch the 2 AM news here

03:06 <efc> slightly different coverage, maybe better since its all several hours old

03:07 <Tank_Master> or they figure noone is up so they dont have to have so much of the pulitical bull

03:08 <efc> Oh, they still give us the daily bull

03:08 <Tank_Master> good to see they dont dissapoint...

03:08 <efc> they cover some more out of the way news though

03:09 <Tank_Master> ahh

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05:55 <KathrynM> evenin'

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06:26 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:27 <KathrynM> mornin

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06:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 47.4F / 8.6C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Showers likely in the evening...then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming (1 more message)

06:40 <CoderForLife> &more

06:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: east after midnight. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thursday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 50s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south in the afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

06:40 <KathrynM> winter or spring?

06:40 <CoderForLife> It can't decide

06:41 <CoderForLife> morning

07:01 <bryanUC> &wx 43016

07:01 <Romulus> bryanUC: Temperature: 33.7F / 0.9C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Showers likely in the evening...then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming east after (1 more message)

07:01 <bryanUC> &more

07:01 <Romulus> bryanUC: midnight. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thursday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

07:08 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

07:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27.9F / -2.3C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. High in the mid 50s. Southeast wind near 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Low in the upper 30s. East wind around 10 mph. Chance (1 more message)

07:08 <wdsmia> &more

07:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: of showers 50 percent.; Thursday - Cloudy. Rain likely and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 40s. East wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

07:11 <hawmps> much warmer this morning

07:12 <hawmps> at least here..

07:14 <CoderForLife> 49F

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07:35 <CoderForLife> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23801444/

07:35 <Romulus> Title: NASA: Mars rovers spared budget cuts - Mars- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

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07:40 <vak> hi all

07:40 <vak> any1 alive?

07:41 <KathrynM> depends on how you define alive ;)

07:41 <vak> :)

07:41 <vak> is it channel related to seti@home?

07:42 <KathrynM> as much as Seti runs using BOINC

07:43 <vak> KathrynaM, a-ha. i see. could you give me some hint on distributed web crawlers currently running? (The "Grub" project doesn't look alive)

07:45 * vak hates to mis-spell someone's name

07:45 <KathrynM> There's DepSpid.  That's the only one that I know running under BOINC.

07:46 <vak> did you hear anything about Grub?

07:47 <KathrynM> nope

07:48 <desti> http://yacy.net/

07:48 <Romulus> Title: YaCy Distributed Web Search (at yacy.net)

07:49 <KathrynM> Oh yeah, I think I did see something about that at some point in the past.

08:01 <vak> desti, thanks!

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08:03 <desti> 0_o http://www.flickr.com/photos/parrhesiastes/479300229/

08:03 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1jKI> (at www.flickr.com)

08:14 <CoderForLife> probably the safest hotel in a tsunami

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08:31 <vak> KathrynaM, DepSpid seems to be down and for a long time already

08:32 <KathrynM> It was back up for a few weeks.

08:32 <KathrynM> Unfortunately it's also Windows only.  :(

08:35 <vak> funny

08:35 <vak> there is no mature community-based web crawlers...

08:36 <vak> it is amazing

08:44 <desti> why do you search a distributed crawler?

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09:00 <CoderForLife> &seen quail

09:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: quail was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <quail> no fun :-P

09:00 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant

09:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

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09:19 <vak> desti, I'd like to join free searching.

09:20 <vak> desti, why should I ask google if I'd dare to send some customized queries to their server to find what I do want to find ?

09:21 <vak> desti, corrction: why should I ask google if I dare to send some _automated_ customized queries to their server to find what I do want to find ?

09:26 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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11:08 <nickuwo> does the fact the the results page on my ops page takes forever to load translate to my MySQL server working too hard?

11:08 <PovAddict> yes

11:08 <PovAddict> it's not a very optimized query though

11:08 <PovAddict> takes long for me too

11:09 <PovAddict> I think it's not very optimized because it's not supposed to be used often anyway (unlike user-visible pages)

11:09 <nickuwo> so should I be worried about it? Does that mean it's taking that long to respond to client requests?

11:10 <PovAddict> no

11:10 <PovAddict> the results page on ops probably goes through every single result on your database in order to give the statistics of how many are in each state

11:10 <PovAddict> client requests don't do such thing :)

11:11 <nickuwo> ok. How would I know when my sql server is really dieing?

11:11 <nickuwo> dying even

11:12 <PovAddict> there is a log (I'm not sure if it's enabled by default) that registers "slow" queries

11:12 <PovAddict> database monitoring and optimization is an art in itself

11:12 <PovAddict> an art I don't know

11:12 <nickuwo> heh, on PHPmyadmin it has some stuff like that, i think...

11:14 <nickuwo> whew, only 3 "slow queries"

11:14 <PovAddict> try also doing the query SHOW PROCESSLIST;

11:15 <PovAddict> if there's any query currently in progress (like a slow one from ops page), it will show there

11:16 <nickuwo> hmm, tried ti again and it was almost instantaneous... mustof got it during a bunch of other queries b4

11:16 <Romulus> I think it's *really* the latter

11:16 <PovAddict> nope, now the results are cached :)

11:16 <PovAddict> lol Romulus

11:17 <nickuwo> thx Pov, r u going to france in sept.?

11:17 <PovAddict> ...I don't think so

11:54 <Delegate> o,o

11:54 <Delegate> how about germany? ;/

11:56 <PovAddict> Delegate: you probably don't know what he meant?

11:56 <PovAddict> http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2008-March/010072.html

11:56 <Romulus> Title: [boinc_dev] workshop planning (at lists.ssl.berkeley.edu)

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12:32 <PovAddict> &google calc 640*640/115hz

12:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: 640 * (640/115) hertz = 3.56173913 kilohertz

12:33 <PovAddict> &google calc 115hz/(640*640)

12:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: (115 hz) / (640 * 640) = 0.000280761719 hertz

12:33 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 second / 116 * (640*480)

12:33 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 second) / 116) * (640 * 480) = 44.137931 minutes

12:34 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 minute / 120 * (640*480)

12:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 minute) / 120) * (640 * 480) = 1.77777778 days

12:34 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 minute / 120 * (640*480) - 1 day

12:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: (((1 minute) / 120) * (640 * 480)) - (1 day) = 18.6666667 hours

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13:20 <CoderForLife> _o/

13:37 <CoderForLife> or not

13:37 <PovAddict> _o/

13:41 <CoderForLife> ah \o_

13:41 <Romulus> xcamel_away: see if I can try that

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14:02 * CoderForLife yawns

14:04 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 second / 271 * (640*480)

14:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 second) / 271) * (640 * 480) = 18.8929889 minutes

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15:08 <CoderForLife> double right-click in Visual Studio 2008 is death

15:08 <PovAddict> o_o

15:08 <PovAddict> double right-click?

15:08 <PovAddict> right-drag is bad enough

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15:43 <CoderForLife> double right click is something I seem to do occasionally for no good reason

15:43 <CoderForLife> seems like the beta testers never do that

15:45 <CoderForLife> spent most of the day (between vacation tasks) trying to solve an exception being thrown in VC++ over file pointers

15:46 <Romulus> wonders what TM is smoking

15:46 <CoderForLife> looks like he's smoking some Northern Exposure, Rommie

15:48 * wdsmia_w Is off to see the wizard… err Dentist

15:49 <CoderForLife> is she blonde with green eyes, like mine?

15:49 <wdsmia_w> I wish

15:49 <CoderForLife> makes going to the dentist easier

15:49 <CoderForLife> hf

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16:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &seen mweltin

16:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 21 hours, 28 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <mweltin> they can just stage one, you know like the moon landing.

16:06 <Tank_Master> mw!

16:06 <Tank_Master> when will he had new work?

16:06 <Tank_Master> anyone know?

16:07 * CoderForLife shrugs his shoulders

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16:23 <CoderForLife> din-din time

16:24 <CoderForLife> bbl

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16:35 <Tank_Master> tc

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16:41 <xcamel> re-hi

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17:00 <xcamel> someone new from Oz..

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17:15 <xcamel> tap...tap...tap...

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17:16 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:16 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

17:18 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:18 <xcamel> got the new LED rings ont the fountain - now IO can't wait till it gets dark..

17:19 * xcamel checks to make sure all fingers are still with me here..

17:19 <xcamel> hmmm..

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17:19 <CoderForLife> sounds neat

17:20 <CoderForLife> what did you do about your ravens?

17:21 <xcamel> they're staying

17:21 <xcamel> no reason to move them

17:21 <CoderForLife> you were looking into a webcam

17:21 <xcamel> there is another nest of redtail hawks too

17:22 <CoderForLife> a regular aviary

17:22 <xcamel> hoping to get the webcam hooked up next week..

17:22 <CoderForLife> ah good

17:23 <xcamel> one year we had 70 gray heron nests back in the swamp behind the store..

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17:45 <xcamel> seems it hit 50 in "the big city"

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17:47 <zombie67> pov?

17:47 <Romulus> Rumor has it pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

17:47 <PovAddict> o/

17:47 <zombie67> hi

17:47 <zombie67> how soon new work at imp?

17:48 <PovAddict> well I'm writing a script to attempt splitting the render in tiles so that they all take the same time

17:48 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/split.png <- so far so good

17:48 <xcamel> still looking for work from orbit..

17:48 <zombie67> are we talking about hours or days from now?

17:48 <PovAddict> laziness is unpredictable

17:49 <zombie67> naw, laziness is very predictable.  It is industry that is unpredictable

17:50 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/split2.png

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17:50 <zombie67> not found

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17:51 <PovAddict> saved in the wrong folder again

17:51 <PovAddict> there we go

17:51 <PovAddict> of course, in that last image, tiles are too small

17:52 <PovAddict> (they all take similar time, but they're all too fast :D)

17:52 <PovAddict> but it was just for testing

17:53 <PovAddict> the *whole* image took 5 minutes, so imagine each rectangle :)

17:53 <zombie67> will this be a run that lasts more than a couple of hours then?  days even?

17:53 <PovAddict> welp

17:54 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 minute / 120 * (1600*1200)

17:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 minute) / 120) * (1,600 * 1,200) = 11.1111111 days

17:54 <PovAddict> I'd say so

17:54 <zombie67> bring it

17:54 <MTughan> Looks cool...

17:54 <PovAddict> MTughan: that gray stuff will be *transparent* on the final image :)

17:55 <PovAddict> sloooow

17:55 <MTughan> What gray stuff?

17:55 <zombie67> the stars?

17:55 <PovAddict> well not gray, #B09274

17:55 <PovAddict> better? :)

17:55 <MTughan> I can't visualize that. Is it the ball of stars?

17:56 <PovAddict> yep

17:56 <xcamel> looks mighty small..

17:56 <MTughan> Oughta be interesting...

17:56 <PovAddict> xcamel: what's small?

17:57 <zombie67> this will be for windows only?

17:58 <PovAddict> yes, there has never been linux/mac apps

17:59 <MTughan> I thought there were Linux apps, because I crunched last time...

17:59 <PovAddict> not for povray

17:59 <MTughan> What was the last image rendered with?

17:59 <PovAddict> uh, "last image"?

18:00 <PovAddict> didn't you use a vm?

18:00 <MTughan> We did a render a little while ago...

18:00 <MTughan> Oh, may have been.

18:00 <NudgeyNR> &whatis windows

18:00 <Romulus> NudgeyNR: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_windows_intelx86.exe

18:02 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:03 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

18:03 <xcamel> PoV - the image you linked

18:03 <PovAddict> split2 is bigger

18:04 <xcamel> looking for something special, NudgeyNR?

18:04 <NudgeyNR> no just seeing if there was a newer version

18:05 <xcamel> 45 is the one..

18:05 <MTughan> Still 6.1.10 for Mac...

18:06 <NudgeyNR> have been using 6.1.0 for a while now

18:06 <MTughan> From SVN or the one on the BOINC site?

18:07 <xcamel> we're talking official/stable here..

18:07 <MTughan> Then 5.10.45 for all.

18:07 <xcamel> I don't think all projects support v6 yet either

18:08 <NudgeyNR> sorry losing my mind here, breakfast time with 4 kids can be a knightmare

18:08 <MTughan> I'm having no problems with AI and E@H at this point...

18:08 <NudgeyNR> off the boinc site

18:08 <NudgeyNR> forget the link

18:08 <MTughan> Are you using a Mac or a Windows/Linux computer?

18:08 <xcamel> all the 'sizes' are there on the dl site

18:08 <NudgeyNR> vista

18:09 <NudgeyNR> 32 and 64

18:09 <MTughan> PovAddict: In the 5.10.45 GUI downloads, does it use the 6.1.7 core client or a 5.x version?

18:09 <MTughan> Any idea?

18:09 <PovAddict> 5.x everything

18:10 <MTughan> So how can you use 6.1.0 on Vista, NudgeyNR?

18:10 <PovAddict> getting it from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D

18:10 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

18:10 <MTughan> Oh....

18:10 <NudgeyNR> yes that is the site

18:10 <PovAddict> 6.x versions aren't listed in download_all.php

18:10 <MTughan> So unofficial builds.

18:11 <MTughan> Sorry, wrong wording...

18:11 <xcamel> who was talking about php?

18:11 <Romulus> you might not have to do ten years ago?"

18:11 <NudgeyNR> i have had noproblems with 6.x.x on vista

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18:11 <MTughan> Yeah, I think it's getting closer to done.

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18:12 <MTughan> PovAddict: In "svn update", what does the letter G stand for?

18:14 <PovAddict> merged

18:14 <PovAddict> SVN automatically merged changes you had done, and changes from the repo

18:14 <MTughan> Uh oh...

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18:44 <PovAddict> &math calc 61467 / 3210

18:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 19.1485981308

18:46 <zombie67> considering it took 45 versions of 5.10 to get it right, I will be waiting quite a while before moving to 6.x

18:46 <PovAddict> who says they already got it right on .45? :)

18:47 <zombie67> trvth

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19:05 * KathrynM_ is back (gone 04:13:14)

19:05 <CoderForLife> wb KathrynM_

19:05 <CoderForLife> you seem to have grown a tail

19:05 *** KathrynM_ is now known as KathrynM

19:06 <CoderForLife> eek

19:06 <KathrynM> spilt personality

19:07 <xcamel> 'lo K

19:07 <KathrynM> hiya

19:07 <CoderForLife> that was rather brutal tail removal

19:07 <KathrynM> it hurt

19:07 <CoderForLife> I reckon

19:08 * CoderForLife has Code Confusion

19:08 <PovAddict> good for you

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19:08 <PovAddict> I have algorithm confusion

19:08 <PovAddict> sounds worse

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19:08 <CoderForLife> my file pointer is getting whacked

19:08 <KathrynM> sounds painful

19:09 <CoderForLife> like losing a tail

19:09 <CoderForLife> trying to catch the culprit

19:10 <CoderForLife> setting conditional breakpoints, and waiting for something to happen

19:12 * CoderForLife waits for the trap to go *snap*

19:16 <nickuwo> my database is now unruly

19:17 <CoderForLife> a watched trap never snaps

19:18 <PovAddict> maybe it's in the wrong place?

19:18 <CoderForLife> maybe both traps are in the wrong place

19:19 <xcamel> maybe the rats are too big for the traps..

19:19 <CoderForLife> that's EXACTLY what I fear

19:19 <CoderForLife> or too quick

19:23 <nickuwo> if I wanted to delete files and directories that were two days old would I do      find -atime +1 | rm -rd

19:23 <PovAddict> rm doesn't read from stdin

19:23 <xcamel> Nice APOD: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080326.html

19:23 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 March 26 - The NGC 3576 Nebula (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

19:23 <PovAddict> "find -atime +1 -delete"

19:23 <PovAddict> but I'm not sure about atime

19:23 <nickuwo> ok

19:25 <PovAddict> yeah that's in the manmage as an example so it must be right

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19:44 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 second / 7 * (64*64)

19:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 second) / 7) * (64 * 64) = 9.75238095 minutes

19:44 <PovAddict> &google calc 1 second / 7 * (32*32)

19:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((1 second) / 7) * (32 * 32) = 2.43809524 minutes

19:44 <PovAddict> &math calc 2189726558 * [math convert 7 minutes to seconds]

19:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 919685154360

19:45 * CoderForLife looks at the screen glumly

19:46 <CoderForLife> no exception thrown and no conditional breakpoint

19:46 <CoderForLife> I guess I need to ship it with the breakpoint in it

19:50 <CoderForLife> is the entire VC++ 2008 Express redistributable?  maybe I could send the debugger as well...

19:50 <PovAddict> lol

19:51 <PovAddict> a heisenbug?

19:51 <PovAddict> "A heisenbug is a computer bug that disappears or alters its characteristics when it is researched."

19:51 <CoderForLife> yes - it *moves*

19:51 <CoderForLife> inserting the measuring probe alters the circuit

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19:52 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug

19:52 <Romulus> Title: Unusual software bug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

19:52 <CoderForLife> great link

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19:53 <xcamel> so... a "Heisenberg maneuver" would be the boss choking the crap out of the programmer, right?

19:56 <PovAddict> &math calc ceil(23.4)

19:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: 24

19:56 <PovAddict> good, so it's supported

19:57 <PovAddict> &math calc ceil(1024/64)*ceil(768/64)

19:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: 192

19:57 <CoderForLife> yeah, xcamel, until the programmer produces

19:58 * CoderForLife watches and waits for the program to fail again

19:59 <CoderForLife> I think the problem is due to the early arrival of the Paschal Full Moon this year

20:00 <CoderForLife> when Good Friday overlaps with St. Patrick's Day, it's nothing but trouble

20:05 <PovAddict> &math calc ceil(1024/64)

20:05 <Romulus> PovAddict: 16

20:12 <zombie67> can'r upload

20:12 <zombie67> can't

20:12 <PovAddict> yeah, I disabled uploads so the finished file stayed on my client for me to check something

20:12 <PovAddict> looks like all tiles are ending up flat-colored green

20:15 <CoderForLife> how eco-friendly

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20:16 * CoderForLife wanders away until the code crashes

20:16 <CoderForLife> laterzz

20:16 <wdsmia> cya Don

20:16 <CoderForLife> bye Doug, Nic

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20:19 <xcamel> laterz..

20:21 <KathrynM> I'm off too :)

20:21 <KathrynM> laters

20:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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20:23 <nickuwo> hey mweltin

20:23 <zombie67> mweltin!

20:23 <zombie67> pov:  all tasks returned

20:23 <mweltin> hey

20:24 <mweltin> still working on the workgenerator, all heck broke loose here as far as work.  Bad timing.

20:27 <mweltin> hwo is everythign here?

20:27 <mweltin> found a way way way cool randon number generator

20:28 <mweltin> http://random.irb.hr/

20:28 <Romulus> Title: Quantum Random Bit Generator Service (at random.irb.hr)

20:29 <xcamel> Someone should give Pasquale a kick and get some Orbit work generated..

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20:38 <nickuwo> true, b/c there are no pink rhino... i think

20:38 <nickuwo> whoops wrong chan :)

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20:42 <Tank_Master> lol

20:42 <Tank_Master> mw!

20:42 <mweltin> tank!

20:42 <xcamel> there are RINO's that are also pinkos..

20:42 <xcamel> but that's politics...

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21:03 <jackharris> MTughan -- Are you home

21:03 <xcamel> he was earlier..

21:06 <PovAddict> zombie67: there must be something wrong with the povray binary - maybe bad optimizations

21:06 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if I enabled any optimization at all when I compiled the currently-in-use version

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21:19 <zombie67> hmmm

21:19 <PovAddict> I ran it in standalone mode, outside BOINC, and it definitely generates wrong results

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21:22 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/results.png

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21:25 <mweltin> nice results page

21:25 <zombie67> fixed yet?

21:26 <PovAddict> nope, I will have to recompile it from source

21:26 <PovAddict> been a while since I did it

21:26 <PovAddict> heck I don't know where I keep my wrapper code

21:27 <mweltin> that doesn't sound like you at all PovAddict

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21:28 <irys> !seen Lupine

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21:29 <PovAddict> lolwut

21:30 <PovAddict> I just rendered another tile with IMP's pov and with official 3.6.1

21:30 <PovAddict> refresh results.png

21:30 <Romulus> changed ownership of `/Vista/wx' to kathryn:Kathryn

21:36 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34.7F / 1.5C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs in the mid 40s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; (1 more message)

21:36 <xcamel> &more

21:36 <Romulus> xcamel: Thursday Night - Cloudy. A chance of snow after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.;

21:40 <xcamel> at least it was nice today..

21:42 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 49.1F / 9.5C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6.7mph / 10.8km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers early in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Low in the upper 30s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of showers 60 percent.; Thursday - Cloudy with a 50 percent (1 more message)

21:42 <wdsmia> &more

21:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of rain showers. Colder. High in the lower 40s. East wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening...then a slight chance of snow after midnight. Low around 30. Northeast wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

21:52 <xcamel> slowly but surely...

21:53 * Tank_Master saw snow today

21:54 <xcamel> had a little this AM

21:54 * Tank_Master is listening to: Dogzilla - Without You (Dogzilla Dub Mix)

21:54 * wdsmia thows a frozen slushball at Tank_Master

21:55 * Tank_Master is happy

21:55 * Tank_Master is sad, see no slush to throw back

21:55 * Tank_Master crys

21:56 <xcamel> off to watch ufo files..

21:56 <xcamel> laterz..

21:57 <Tank_Master> hf!

21:57 <wdsmia> cya

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21:58 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

21:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42.1F / 5.6C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers of rain or snow...decreasing late. A slight chance of thunderstorms early. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the evening. Snow level 500 to 1000 feet. Light snow accumulations. Lows in the lower to mid (2 more messages)

21:58 <Tank_Master> &more

21:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 30s. West wind 10 to 20 mph early then southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Rain and snow showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Snow level 500 feet in the morning. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs 45 to 50. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening...then rain likely after midnight. (1 more message)

21:58 <Tank_Master> &more

21:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Lows around 35. Southeast wind increasing to 10 to 20 mph.;

21:58 <wdsmia> Hail... see the frozen slushballs will get you yet

21:59 <Tank_Master> &more

21:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

21:59 <Tank_Master> if theres enough to accumilate on the grown

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22:00 <Tank_Master> &more snow

22:00 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen snow.

22:00 <Tank_Master> heh

22:00 <Tank_Master> you need to get out more

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22:01 <wdsmia> &insult Tank_Master

22:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a dizzy-eyed bag of dread-bolted snake.

22:01 *** tamar is now known as BiteAbleKat

22:01 <Tank_Master> &more my feet

22:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen my.

22:01 <Tank_Master> &more my_feet

22:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen my_feet.

22:01 <PovAddict> have you ever

22:01 <PovAddict> &seen "the rain"

22:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 'the rain' is not a valid nick.

22:01 <Tank_Master> you need to loose weight

22:04 <Tank_Master> &insult yourself

22:04 <Romulus> yourself - You are nothing but a sheep-biting petrification of folly-fallen cat.

22:04 <Romulus> anyway - works great for me

22:04 <Tank_Master> coo

22:04 <Tank_Master> glad to hear it

22:09 <zombie67> fixed yet?

22:10 <PovAddict> ugh impatient

22:10 <zombie67> yep!

22:14 <PovAddict> I think the source for the wrapper is on my other machine

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22:58 <jackharris> Can anyone tell me why the top image at http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ has MM@Home at 0% online?

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22:59 <jackharris> Is there some php file I don't have or something?

23:01 <PovAddict> http://www.esea.dk:8080/esea/boscontact.asp

23:01 <Romulus> Title: BOS (BOINC Online Schedulers) (at www.esea.dk:8080)

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23:02 <Tank_Master> what are you attampting to do?

23:03 <zombie67> hi jack

23:05 <jackharris> zombie ! hi

23:05 <MTughan> Hey jack.

23:05 <zombie67> there's MT!

23:05 <jackharris> hey

23:05 * Tank_Master feels out of place

23:05 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:43:54)

23:05 <jackharris> thanks guys for all the help

23:05 <Tank_Master> wb KM

23:05 <KathrynM> \o_

23:06 <MTughan> I got your messages. I think it's possibly I broke x86 compilation when I tried to fix x86-64.

23:06 <zombie67> jackharris = MindModeling admin

23:06 <Tank_Master> ahhh

23:06 <MTughan> Yeah, I recognize the name.

23:06 <PovAddict> wow everyone came back at once

23:06 <jackharris> ah

23:06 <jackharris> yeah that's me

23:06 <Tank_Master> I reconize the project

23:06 <KathrynM> lunch time :)

23:06 <MTughan> I'm recompiling now to see.

23:06 <jackharris> Awesome.

23:06 <zombie67> jack, any idea when a tiger app will be released?

23:06 <Tank_Master> one of them "I keep meeing to run" projects ;)

23:06 <KathrynM> MM@H has cool science.

23:06 <jackharris> I don't have a Mac at home (yet)

23:06 <Tank_Master> lol

23:07 <KathrynM> I need to reenable work fetch

23:07 <zombie67> I feel like a "team of 1" on MM

23:07 <Tank_Master> KM is a suckup

23:07 <MTughan> However, that is the first error I got, when it couldn't find the definition of a struct for the CPU.

23:07 <jackharris> Kathyrn ROCKS

23:07 <Tank_Master> true

23:07 <KathrynM> Jack, I"m the one who posted the question about developmental work :)

23:07 <MTughan> If you need a Mac to compile on, I can do powerpc-apple-darwin, i686-apple-darwin, and x86_64-apple-darwin compilations.

23:08 <KathrynM> MTughan is a genius :)

23:08 <MTughan> lol, thanks.

23:08 <Tank_Master> no, just a show-off

23:08 <Tank_Master> ;)

23:08 <KathrynM> lol

23:08 <zombie67> tha too

23:08 <MTughan> Well, zombie could do that too if he had Xcode installed.

23:08 <jackharris> Yeah - I remember that one! I showed it to all the cognitive modelers at work

23:09 <KathrynM> lol

23:09 <jackharris> They are all students of Simon!

23:09 <KathrynM> no way!

23:09 <KathrynM> awesome

23:09 <Tank_Master> I, on the other hand, amd prode to suck up wasted power on projects like MM, err I meen, like.... *oh drat*

23:09 <jackharris> (or were) he passed away a few years back

23:09 <KathrynM> I've been out of the field quite a while now.

23:09 <KathrynM> I'm sorry to hear that.

23:09 <MTughan> Yep, I get the error too... Damnit.

23:10 <jackharris> That is good news

23:10 <zombie67> what's the probem?

23:10 <Tank_Master> its broke, Jim,

23:10 <MTughan> My modifications to make x86-64 work broke x86.

23:10 <zombie67> ah

23:10 <Tank_Master> thats odd

23:11 <zombie67> are you talking OSX?  Or win?

23:11 <MTughan> SBCL, OS X.

23:11 <jackharris> I know a lot of modelers at RPI use Macs and I bet they are not all Leopard

23:11 <MTughan> I think I know the problem...

23:11 <jackharris> You are really helping out a lot of people! thx again for the help

23:11 <Tank_Master> PEBAC?

23:11 <jackharris> PEBAC?

23:11 <jackharris> what's that

23:11 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd

23:11 <KathrynM> PEBAC?

23:11 <Tank_Master> PEBKAC*

23:11 <KathrynM> LOL

23:12 <PovAddict> &google PEBKAC

23:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.22 seconds: PEBKAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC>; P.E.B.K.A.C. 404: <http://www.pebkac404.com/>; PEBKAC: <http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/P/PEBKAC.html>; PEBKAC People: <http://www.dansdata.com/pebkac.htm>; ThinkGeek :: T-Shirts: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/321a/action/20fc153/>; pebkac thoughts: (2 more messages)

23:12 <KathrynM> ah..  that's usually my problem

23:12 <Tank_Master> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

23:12 <jackharris> oh yeah - that good

23:12 <jackharris> that -> that's

23:12 <MTughan> Oh, what the frig...

23:12 <Tank_Master> We speek typo

23:12 <jackharris> k

23:13 <MTughan> A symbol that shouldn't be defined, is.

23:13 <Tank_Master> if not, we start calling you rommie

23:13 <KathrynM> lol

23:13 <jackharris> ahhh

23:13 <Tank_Master> &8ball Will I get 1 million credits from MM?

23:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: About as likely as pigs flying.

23:14 <Tank_Master> heh

23:14 <KathrynM> :D

23:14 <Tank_Master> so I better not bother trying

23:14 <jackharris> Outlook seems good

23:14 <Tank_Master> :P

23:14 <Tank_Master> yes, outlook is a great program

23:15 <zombie67> broke 100k @ MM earlier this week

23:15 <Tank_Master> I saw that

23:15 <Tank_Master> congratz

23:15 <KathrynM> when does a week go by when you don't break some milestone?

23:15 <jackharris> zombie is #2

23:15 <jackharris> in RAC

23:16 <zombie67> taking a break to crunch some other projects, but I'll be back soon

23:16 <PovAddict> I have 266k summing all projects!

23:16 <PovAddict> credits, not RAC...

23:16 <PovAddict> (my RAC is always below 700)

23:16 <zombie67> kathrynM:  if they stopped making new projects, I will stop breaking milestones.

23:17 <zombie67> still crunching some MM, just not as much.

23:17 <PovAddict> zombie67: how is your *rank* on the multiple projects?

23:17 <KathrynM> :D

23:17 <zombie67> depends on the project.

23:17 * KathrynM is very happy with her climbing rac at ABC

23:17 <Tank_Master> 99.99x% in every one

23:17 <jackharris> Any idea why http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/ has MM at Online 0% anyone?

23:17 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

23:17 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1Dw+> (at boincstats.com)

23:18 <KathrynM> that's run by someone else

23:18 <PovAddict> jackharris: http://www.esea.dk:8080/esea/boscontact.asp

23:18 <Romulus> Title: BOS (BOINC Online Schedulers) (at www.esea.dk:8080)

23:18 <zombie67> there is a contact email on that page to ask

23:19 <jackharris> Thanks guys

23:20 <zombie67> I am in the top 10 in 14 projects.  #1 at one, and #2 at a few.

23:20 <KathrynM> I was #1 at orbit :)

23:20 <KathrynM> probably not anymore tho

23:20 <zombie67> I was first to 1 (credit)!

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23:21 <KathrynM> lol

23:21 <zombie67> took a LOT of WUs to get there

23:21 <jackharris> first to 1 ?? what does that mean

23:21 <KathrynM> how many 100s zombie67?

23:21 <PovAddict> first to reach 1 whole credit

23:22 <MTughan> I think I had or have about 330 RAC in Einstein currently with the new apps.

23:22 <zombie67> orbit@home had VERY small tasks.  Each granted a very small fraction of a credit.  took many just to get to a full credit!

23:22 <KathrynM> I see JM7 is catching up on the BOINC forums

23:22 <zombie67> 100s?

23:22 <MTughan> That's the highest I've ever had for one project.

23:23 <Tank_Master> orbit has work now?

23:23 <zombie67> hah!  Just saw that you sent me a PM, jack.

23:23 <zombie67> TM:  no

23:23 <Tank_Master> oh

23:23 * Tank_Master pouts

23:23 <zombie67> this was a few days (weeks?) ago

23:23 <MTughan> Nice... I have an RAC of 850 over all of my projects.

23:23 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

23:24 <KathrynM> there are days it pays to be a Linux geek :)

23:24 <MTughan> 44.21% of that is from E@H. :P

23:25 <jackharris> I was talking to David Anderson(BOINC) and Willy (boincstats) last summer during and they are trying to get projects to standardize credits

23:25 <Romulus> Anyway... I saw it googling other wunder feed robots..

23:26 <PovAddict> jackharris: and I was talking to bryanUC and just got more convinced that it's impossible

23:26 <KathrynM> ahhh...  the age old credit thing

23:26 <zombie67> good luck with that

23:26 <zombie67> ;)

23:27 <PovAddict> for men using Linux: http://www.jkhp.it/OS-tan/desktops.htm

23:27 <Romulus> Title: JKHP:OS-tan/desktops (at www.jkhp.it)

23:27 <zombie67> gotta run

23:27 <zombie67> c ya!

23:27 <MTughan> Bye.

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23:29 * Tank_Master notes the room is now in scilence mode

23:30 * KathrynM is eating lunch

23:30 * efc follows scilencetology

23:36 * Tank_Master is off to watch TV

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23:42 <KathrynM> laterz

23:42 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:43 <jackharris> bye

23:43 <PovAddict> ugh thunders again

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