IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-03-27

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00:07 <PovIpod> and now some strong hail too!

00:08 <PovIpod> (strong compared to what we're used to)

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00:46 <Soul_keeper>   lol

00:46 <Romulus> <> (at

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03:35 * Tank_Master is listening to: Africanism Allstars - Hard (Murk Remix)

03:36 * Tank_Master is listening to: Talla 2XLC - Innocence (DJ Precision, M.I.D.O.R. And Six4Eight`s Somatic Sense Remix)

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05:15 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 43.5F / 6.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.63in / 1003.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming south 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms. (1 more message)

05:15 <CoderForLife> &more

05:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming north 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Friday - Showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. Northeast winds around 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

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06:10 <CoderForLife> here's comes the rain again

06:10 <CoderForLife> here*

06:10 <Romulus> ok so physical name will be nice if that pid file isn't there, it would exit out if it's not spam, is it?

06:10 <KathrynM> I sent out rain in your direction

06:10 <KathrynM> *our

06:11 <CoderForLife> did you send some guys to help hold up my hillside too?

06:11 <KathrynM> I can send an army of small korean children ;)

06:11 <KathrynM> and one naughty guniea pig

06:12 <CoderForLife> they could get rid of the trash in the woods behind my neighbors' house

06:12 <CoderForLife> I'm tired of looking at it

06:28 <hawmps_> &wx 12020

06:28 <Romulus> hawmps_: Temperature: 24.4F / -4.2C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain this afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Rain. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation up to an (1 more message)

06:28 <hawmps_> &more

06:28 <Romulus> hawmps_: inch. Lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Friday - A chance of snow in the morning. Cloudy with a chance of rain. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

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07:07 <CoderForLife> morning

07:08 <hawmps> indeed it is.

07:15 <hawmps> &ping

07:15 <Romulus> pong

07:16 <hawmps> stupid time server went goofy..

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08:25 <KathrynM> rug rats wore me out

08:25 <KathrynM> I'm heading to bed

08:25 * KathrynM thinks she must be getting old -- going to bed at 9:30

08:25 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

08:29 <CoderForLife> rain rain go away

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08:31 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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08:43 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:43 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 35.0F / 1.7C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Rain and snow until late afternoon...then rain and snow likely late in the afternoon. Colder. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. High in the upper 30s. Northeast wind around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight (1 more message)

08:43 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:43 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: - Cloudy. A slight chance of rain and snow in the evening... then a slight chance of snow after midnight. Low in the upper 20s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

08:45 <wdsmia_w> yuk

08:58 <CoderForLife> why do you want more snow?

08:59 <CoderForLife> I'd wrap that package up and send it right back

09:02 * wdsmia_w packs up the snow and crud and sends it to CoderForLife

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09:05 <hawmps> bbiab

09:05 <CoderForLife> k

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09:05 <CoderForLife> but I said "Return To SENDER"

09:06 <wdsmia_w> oop's... to late now

09:07 <CoderForLife> nice APOD

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09:40 <sethy> morning noon all

09:40 <wdsmia_w> mornin sethy

09:40 <sethy> everyone's keeping up well?

09:42 <sethy> hey wdsmia_w: read the latest xkcd ??

09:42 <wdsmia_w> nope

09:43 <sethy> its lhc fun :P

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09:46 <CoderForLife> hey sethy

09:46 <sethy> hey CFL

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09:48 <hawmps> lhc work?

09:48 <CoderForLife> hmm?

09:51 <wdsmia_w> nope no LHC work this morning

09:51 * CoderForLife asks LHC for some work, and is told to wait 15 minutes

09:52 <hawmps> nutz..

09:53 <hawmps> reisel is getting to be a pain..

09:53 <hawmps> keeps preempting other work

09:58 <wdsmia_w> press #1 to reset, #2 to detach, #3 to Inore, #4 to delete all of Boinc and go back to beta testing video games...

10:02 <wdsmia_w> you pressed #4 ...were sorry DA has disabled this function please try again later

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10:17 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict

10:17 <CoderForLife> I think I figured out my C++ problem

10:17 <PovAddict> :)

10:17 <CoderForLife> self-inflicted, naturally

10:17 <sethy> missed the ; ?

10:17 <CoderForLife> never play around with loaded Code

10:19 <CoderForLife> when I first wrote this Code in 1997, I put a #define in that said "if the array index is 20, then treat this file as a Word document" - I removed array index 2, and I was trying to process a Word document as a spreadsheet

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10:20 <zombie67> pov?

10:20 <Romulus> It has been said that pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

10:20 <PovAddict> I just came here

10:20 * CoderForLife hides PovAddict behind his Coding wizard's cloak

10:20 <zombie67> hi!

10:21 <zombie67> any news on the big project?

10:21 <Romulus> smooth on my linux, but I got my state tax refund - looks strange

10:21 <CoderForLife> shuddup Rommie

10:24 <sethy> sethy?

10:24 <Romulus> It has been said that sethy is never standards compliant, sethy

10:24 <sethy> as i thought...

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10:25 <zombie67> hi MT!

10:25 <sethy> 'lo MTughan

10:25 <CoderForLife> hi MTughan

10:25 <sethy> everyone jump on MTughan

10:25 <hawmps> 'lo Mike

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10:42 <CoderForLife> MTughan?

10:42 <Romulus> Rumor has it MTughan is getting GCC errors, so that is an indication that it uses GCC. Just have to tweak stuff now, CoderForLife

10:42 <PovAddict> ugh

10:42 <PovAddict> web-based photoshop

10:42 <PovAddict> the world is getting worse every day

10:43 <CoderForLife> WBP - that's an oxymoron, isn't it?

10:43 <PovAddict>

10:43 <Romulus> <> (at

10:43 <hawmps> sounds like it to me..

10:47 <CoderForLife> free, huh?  now we can get those bullets inserted into the Bosnia pics

10:53 <CoderForLife> Elton John benefit for Hillary may be illegal - I guess that might have an impact on the Chinese donations as well

11:08 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: yes, free for now

11:08 <PovAddict> "Adobe intends to offer more features to consumers who pay a yearly fee."

11:08 <PovAddict> yearly? a year is too long for the internets

11:09 <PovAddict> a year is what it takes for a social networking site to lose popularity and be called "that's so last year"

11:10 <CoderForLife> lol  right-o

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11:11 <CoderForLife> lunchtime - bbl

11:14 <PovAddict>

11:14 <Romulus> <> (at

11:16 <PovAddict> more web [cr]apps

11:16 <PovAddict>

11:16 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:33 <CoderForLife> we've got a lot of work to do between now and November

11:43 <hawmps> got some lhc/windows work..

11:43 <hawmps> just a minute or so ago..

11:45 <CoderForLife> looking

11:45 <wdsmia_w> must have been re-sends

11:45 <hawmps> could be..

11:45 <Romulus> thought we were talking about using the package manager.

11:45 <CoderForLife> "no work from project"

11:46 <CoderForLife> and "don;t darken my doorway for 1:45:00"

11:47 <CoderForLife> "thanks for asking"

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12:06 <hawmps> cheap thrills - check out the NY Post main page..

12:06 <hawmps> man can I call it...

12:07 <PovAddict> &web title

12:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: Index of /division/1

12:07 <Romulus> I'm not linking to zlib correctly yet

12:07 <PovAddict> then whyTF some people can't access it <.<

12:12 <DerMeister> Hm... I can

12:12 <hawmps>

12:12 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:15 <PovAddict> DerMeister: okay I'll reply back saying "works for me and others, problem is on your side" :)

12:15 <PovAddict> thx

12:20 <DerMeister> :)

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12:22 <Tank_Master> holllyy crap this is a big ABC WU

12:23 <Tank_Master> 5.5h into it and its only 20% done

12:23 <PovAddict> &google calc 5.5 hours / 20% * 100%

12:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((5.5 hours) / (20%)) * (100%) = 1.14583333 days

12:24 <Tank_Master> on a overclocked core2duo 6600

12:24 <DerMeister> This one would tage ages on my littel P3 here :D

12:24 <Tank_Master> to bad its only worth 1k points

12:24 <Tank_Master> LOL

12:24 <PovAddict> &ln,%20java.util.Comparator)

12:24 <Romulus> <> (at

12:24 <Romulus> PovAddict:

12:57 <hawmps> IRCalis© Will you be ready..when the network is?

13:00 <CoderForLife> Caution is advised when IRCalis is coadministered with pop-up blockers.  When such vasodilators are used in combination, an additive effect on blood pressure  may be anticipated.

13:21 <hawmps> did you check out that "????" on the cover of the post... ??

13:21 <Romulus> I need to grep for to look at anything boinc related

13:52 <CoderForLife> Where, hawmps?

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14:28 <hawmps>

14:28 <Romulus> <> (at

14:28 <hawmps>

14:28 <Romulus> <> (at

14:28 <Romulus> well I'll go to Advanced -> Preferences

14:36 <CoderForLife> ack

14:37 <CoderForLife> unbelievable - how low can the gov go?

14:38 <CoderForLife> gonna run errands - bbl

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16:01 <FreeLarry58> &whatis piespy

16:01 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: "piespy" could be

16:07 <xcamel> 'lo

16:09 <xcamel> Hi Larry

16:23 <PovAddict> reading thru recent code changes in BOINC

16:23 <PovAddict> many resulting in sigh, curse, or desire to cry

16:24 <KathrynM> when does boinc not result in the desire to sigh, curse or cry?

16:24 * KathrynM goes back to bed

16:27 <DerMeister> Did DA explain why he changed these enums to macros some weeks ago? I remember someone asking why he did that, but I never saw any answer for this...

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16:28 <zombie67> more brats!

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16:40 <FreeLarry58> afternoon xcamel PovAddict KathrynM DerMeister zombie67 mweltin and all

16:40 * FreeLarry58 need to attach with PieSpyRom occasionallly

16:41 <yoyo[RKN]> hi FreeLarry58

16:41 <FreeLarry58> finally painting of garage floor done

16:41 <mweltin> hey FreeLarry58

16:41 <FreeLarry58> howdy yoyo[RKN]

16:42 * FreeLarry58 looks at poor paints and wonders when the blue jeans turned to battleship grey

16:42 <FreeLarry58> pants

16:50 <CoderForLife> back

16:50 <CoderForLife> hello FreeLarry58

16:51 <FreeLarry58> howdy CoderForLife

16:51 <CoderForLife> took two bicycles to Goodwill since Stephen bought himself a new one this week

16:53 <FreeLarry58> thats great - looks like i have to make another dump run here - had to move a lot os stuff around in garage while painting floor and found a lot of stuff the wife hid on me

16:53 <FreeLarry58> most deteriorated to much to reuse

16:56 <CoderForLife> we actually hosed off the garage floor this week

16:57 <CoderForLife> it looks great now

16:58 <FreeLarry58> at least 2 new coats of garage floor paint on mine as of today - looks better than when we bought the place

16:58 <FreeLarry58> first painting of bare concrete

16:59 <CoderForLife> I thought about doing that before we moved in, but other things needed to get done

17:00 <FreeLarry58> thats the way it always is

17:01 <FreeLarry58> getting geared up for th poem run tomorrow

17:01 <Romulus> <> (at

17:01 <CoderForLife> even thought about painting the garage walls

17:01 <FreeLarry58> all on it by self expect the two partially working 3x+1

17:01 <CoderForLife> but then move-in day arrived

17:02 <FreeLarry58> lol well garage walls still needing painted here after 17 years

17:02 <CoderForLife> we closed on March 17th 2 years ago, and moved in on April 28th

17:02 * FreeLarry58 rminds self roof will need replace din few more years

17:03 * CoderForLife needs a new hillside

17:03 <FreeLarry58> arrg - warning alarm going off -- caffine levels tooo low

17:03 <FreeLarry58> bbl off to coffee stand for espresso

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17:17 <mweltin> I need soem validator help.

17:17 <mweltin> I'm getting a parse error on one result.

17:19 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

17:19 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 34.3F / 1.3C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 11.4mph / 18.3km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Rain showers...sleet likely and a slight chance of snow early in the evening...then a slight chance of rain and snow late in the evening. Colder. Little or no snow and sleet accumulation. Low in the mid 20s. Northeast (1 more message)

17:19 <wdsmia> &more

17:19 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 20s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:20 <wdsmia> Its a mess out on the roads

17:24 <mweltin> so I dug a little into this odd file

17:24 <mweltin> someohow one of my result files were filled with nothing more than http header information?

17:24 <mweltin> whats up with that?  Anyone ever see that kind of error?

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17:42 <FreeLarry58> no error codes at all mweltin?

17:43 <FreeLarry58> mostly when i saw lots of http header info it was someone trying to get into my system

17:43 <mweltin> from a result upload?

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17:44 <zombie67> over my head

17:44 <FreeLarry58> ahh no that was when i had filezilla runnint

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17:44 * FreeLarry58 snow over head zombie67 thats deep

17:44 <mweltin> no error codes, I htink because there was no xml taht it was the expat that was failing.

17:45 <mweltin> hence the parse error.

17:45 <FreeLarry58> if header info from my machine it normally was due to router/modem close to lockup or overheating it seemed

17:45 <FreeLarry58> and handshake wasn't occuring

17:47 <FreeLarry58> but only a guess

17:47 <mweltin> I dont' see the connection between that and result files.

17:47 <mweltin> what was really strange was the fact taht the xml_doc database field had the correct data in it.

17:48 <mweltin> so clearly the result was computed correctly.

17:49 <zombie67> any aco work soon?

17:49 <mweltin> very soon

17:49 <zombie67> wow.  that validator burns through them fast!

17:49 <mweltin> working on the database for the experiments now.

17:50 <mweltin> got side tracked by the BF crap and a motivational slump for a few days.

17:50 <mweltin> I turned off the validator and assimilator too soon.

17:50 <mweltin> work generator is off for the BF

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17:53 <xcamel> back again

17:54 <mweltin> also I can't believe I'm the only one that thinks isn't the best think since sliced bread.

17:54 <Romulus> Title: Quantum Random Bit Generator Service (at

18:00 <CoderForLife> let me know when we get to quantum computing, where the problem get solved before we turn the computer on

18:00 <CoderForLife> laterzzz....

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18:14 <FreeLarry58> mweltin?? are you saying the header info is in a result file not an error log?

18:15 <mweltin> yes

18:15 <FreeLarry58> if so your machine probably had a read/write error when communicating to disk and wrong info was recorded

18:15 <mweltin> that was all that was in the result file in the upload dir, just the http header info.

18:15 <PovAddict> then the client had a strange screwup

18:15 <mweltin> yes

18:15 <FreeLarry58> thats what i think to PovAddict

18:16 <FreeLarry58> was the headerinfo related to project at all?

18:16 <FreeLarry58> ie reporting place? or just random header info?

18:16 <mweltin> yeah

18:17 <FreeLarry58> if reporting place probably related to client if random memory space mix up

18:17 <mweltin> post request to the upload cgi

18:18 <FreeLarry58> or interaction with other program on your machine at time

18:18 <FreeLarry58> i get that sometimes when running older dos base games that have been updated

18:19 <mweltin> LOL

18:19 <FreeLarry58> still a few machine level calls that exist that try to take control from os

18:19 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: get DosBox for DOS games...

18:19 <FreeLarry58> end up crashing machine mostly

18:19 <mweltin> I guess anythign is possible.

18:20 <FreeLarry58> lol but its so fun watchine meteors flashing by at the speed of light ;)

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18:20 <Romulus> you need any more help.

18:20 * FreeLarry58 old 8 Mhz clock game on 3.2 Ghz machine

18:21 <FreeLarry58> or the 15 minute demo at start going by in 3 secs

18:22 <PovAddict> &google DosBox

18:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.25 seconds: DOSBox , a x86 emulator with DOS: <>; DOSBox , a x86 emulator with DOS: <>; DOSBox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; DOSBox DOS Emulator: <>; DOSBox 0.72 software download - Mac OS X - VersionTracker: (2 more messages)

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18:28 <FreeLarry58> thanks PovAddict and Romulus looks interesting but too much work

18:38 <xcamel> re-re-hi

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18:45 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

18:45 <Romulus> that could be tough

18:45 <xcamel> Hi Mike

18:50 <PovAddict> MTughan:

18:50 <Romulus> Title: /trunk/boinc/client/app_start.C - BOINC - Trac (at

18:50 <PovAddict> buffer overflow waiting to happen?

18:51 <MTughan> Hold on a sec...

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18:52 <MTughan> How often is that run? Because that's only 4KB.

18:52 <MTughan> 8KB*

18:53 <PovAddict> what if I manage to make result->cmdline longer...

18:53 <MTughan> Although it is a rather large char array.

18:55 <MTughan> Oh, you know the iPhone SDK Apple released, right?

18:55 <PovAddict> what about it

18:55 <MTughan> First version, GUI's were defined in code.

18:55 <PovAddict> yeah, no interface builder

18:56 <MTughan> Latest build, includes Interface BUilder, just like for OS X.

18:56 <MTughan> Okay, typing over VNC is just too slow... I'm going upstairs.

18:56 <BadBarbarian> 'lo everyone

18:57 <xcamel> 'lo BB

18:57 <BadBarbarian> my quad just got happy ordered a 4 gig 667 kit for it

18:58 <BadBarbarian> $73.00 from newegg with free 3 day shipping

19:00 <MTughan> Damn it... Lost the screw that held my watch strap in.

19:01 <zombie67> magnet

19:01 <MTughan> I don't know where.

19:01 <MTughan> And if it's magnetic.

19:01 <zombie67> ah

19:01 <zombie67> jewler

19:01 <MTughan> Sounds like it.

19:01 <zombie67> jeweler

19:01 <zombie67> I never wear watchs

19:01 <zombie67> time is on my ophone

19:02 <zombie67> phone

19:02 <MTughan> watches*

19:02 <zombie67> man, can't type today

19:02 <MTughan> I don't always have a phone or have it on, and I find it easier to glance at a watch.

19:03 <MTughan> Wow... New iPhone SDK is 1.4GB.

19:04 <PovAddict> wow, why didn't they... oh wait it's compressed...

19:04 <MTughan> Bunzip compressed even.

19:04 <MTughan> 350KB/s down, about 50 minutes left for about a gig.

19:04 <PovAddict> a binary diff between compressed files doesn't gain much

19:05 <MTughan> Along with a DVD rip going on, using 150% of the CPU. I've suspended BOINC. :P

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19:05 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:06 <xcamel> Hi Ed

19:08 <efc> Hey

19:09 <zombie67> odd.  boinc d/d page has a newer version of boinc than win.

19:09 <PovAddict> /dl/?

19:10 <PovAddict> wcg thing?

19:12 <zombie67> on the main DL page:

19:12 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

19:12 <zombie67> there is 6.x for only mac

19:12 <PovAddict> what's the odd thing? 6.1 on mac?

19:13 <PovAddict> yeah I wonder why they put it there

19:13 <zombie67> normally, mac is lagging

19:13 <PovAddict> I thought they were going to keep 6.x's hidden

19:13 <MTughan> Although maybe Mac is more stable, and they're encountering problems on Windows.

19:13 <MTughan> Why Linux wouldn't be up though...

19:13 <Romulus> KathrynM Hi, do you think

19:13 <PovAddict> or maybe Charlie did the last changes to 6.x and built Mac

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19:21 <xcamel> putting 6 out to the public isn't the best idea I've heard all day..

19:28 <PovAddict> I have a LHC WU

19:28 <zombie67> reissue

19:28 <PovAddict> looks like I got it a few minutes ago

19:28 <PovAddict> zombie67: I'm damn lucky then!

19:29 * zombie67 is upgrading his machines to 5.10.45

19:30 <MTughan> Oh, I see that they've redone the Attach Project dialog a bit.

19:30 <zombie67> have to be careful.  Cels tasks run 12-24 hours, and no checkpoint

19:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: in 6.x? screenshot?

19:30 <MTughan> Getting one... And yeah, 6.1.10.

19:30 <PovAddict> omg

19:31 <PovAddict> my povray wrapper

19:31 <PovAddict> I had forgotten how crappy the build system was

19:31 <zombie67> yes?

19:31 <Romulus> Rumor has it yes is enable, zombie67

19:31 <PovAddict> I guess I'll keep telling to self...

19:31 <PovAddict> "self, one day you have to clean this up"

19:31 <MTughan> Hold on a sec...

19:31 <zombie67> screw it.  just issue the work.  ;)

19:31 <MTughan> Okay, curl doesn't want to upload my image...

19:32 <zombie67> 15k at lattice yesteday

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19:34 <MTughan> Damn it, what a time for my FTP server to stop working...

19:34 <PovAddict>

19:34 <Romulus> Title: Imagebin - Upload an Image (at

19:34 <MTughan> Already there.

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19:35 <MTughan>

19:35 <Romulus> Title: boinc-projects.png (at

19:35 <MTughan> It's a little improved. Looks better though.

19:35 <PovAddict> was about time they fixed that UI

19:36 <MTughan> Other than that, I haven't noticed any differences b/w 6.1.10 and 5.10.45.

19:36 <PovAddict> ok, povray compiled

19:37 <KathrynM> mornin' all

19:37 <MTughan> I was wondering how I could turn in 21 completed MM tasks and only have 10 credit...

19:37 <KathrynM> TGIF

19:37 <MTughan> Only two are validated.

19:37 <MTughan> KathrynM: I wish... :(

19:38 <nickuwo> Kathryn - where are you, Hawaii?

19:38 <PovAddict> korea

19:38 <KathrynM> S. Korea

19:39 <nickuwo> cool

19:39 <KathrynM> :)

19:39 <PovAddict> ARGH

19:39 <MTughan> nickuwo: Hawaii's behind America too.

19:39 <PovAddict> when I run the just-compiled POV-Ray

19:39 <Romulus> lemme see if you don't.

19:39 <PovAddict> it lowers its priority

19:39 <PovAddict> like any BOINC app

19:40 <PovAddict> however, then it starts sharing CPU with my actual BOINC WUs

19:40 <PovAddict> and taking longer

19:40 <MTughan> What would you expect?

19:41 <PovAddict> not changing priority if running in standalone mode

19:41 <MTughan> Ah...

19:41 <PovAddict> wtf 3 minutes already

19:41 <zombie67> brb

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19:42 <PovAddict> it's clear I used no optimizations at all

19:42 <PovAddict> k finished

19:42 <PovAddict> and result is: wrong

19:42 <MTughan> iPhone SDK almost downloaded...

19:42 <MTughan> ~6m

19:43 * PovAddict compiles POV-Ray without his wrapper

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19:49 <MTughan> Whoa... The iPhone SDK disk image contains a package for GCC 4.2.

19:49 <xcamel> friggin cute:


19:50 <MTughan> Oh yeah... A cute chemical compound: Copper telluride.

19:50 <MTughan> CuTe

19:50 <MTughan> xD

19:50 <PovAddict> <.<

19:51 <MTughan> I know, it's horrid...

19:51 <PovAddict> what about Fluorine, Uranium, Carbon and Potassium

19:51 <MTughan> lol...

19:52 <PovAddict> here's the molecule formed:

19:52 <Romulus> Title: Image:Moleculesdoingit.gif - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia (at

19:53 <xcamel> UF6 is bad enough

19:55 <efc> Headed home, bbl

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19:55 <xcamel> anyway.. the weather was just going to be "a dusting"

19:57 <BadBarbarian> &weather 86023

19:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 60F / 15.6C | Humidity: 14% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 27 on the North Rim to around 48 along the Colorado River. West winds 15 to 20 mph in the evening becoming light.; Friday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 56 on the North Rim to around 81 along the Colorado River. Light (1 more message)

19:58 <BadBarbarian> &more

19:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: winds becoming southwest around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows around 30 on the North Rim to around 44 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph in the evening becoming light.;

19:59 <zombie67> does brats checkpoint

19:59 <KathrynM> dunno

19:59 <KathrynM> wanna send some of that work my way?

19:59 <zombie67> I have been real lucky lately!

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20:11 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

20:11 <Tank_Master> &more

20:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:12 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 43.7F / 6.5C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers in the evening with small hail possible...then snow and rain likely after midnight. Snow level 1000 feet. Local light snow accumulations. Lows 30 to 35. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting (2 more messages)

20:12 <Tank_Master> &more

20:12 <Romulus> Tank_Master: to the southeast 10 to 20 mph after midnight.; Friday - Snow and rain in the morning...then rain and snow showers in the afternoon. Snow level 500 feet or less. Local light snow accumulations. Highs around 45. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph shifting to the west 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Rain or snow showers. Snow level around 500 feet. Local light snow accumulations. Lows 30 to (1 more message)

20:12 <Tank_Master> &more

20:12 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 35. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 5:00 AM PDT on March 28, 2008;

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20:18 <KathrynM> laterz

20:18 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:20 * Tank_Master is listening to: Coast 2 Coast - Home Original Mix

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20:40 <xcamel> &wx 12074

20:40 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 38.6F / 3.7C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Rain. Snow with a chance of sleet after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation around an inch. Lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming east after midnight. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Friday - (1 more message)

20:40 <xcamel> &more

20:40 <Romulus> xcamel: Snow with a chance of sleet in the morning...then snow in the afternoon. Total accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Near steady temperature in the mid 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. A chance of flurries. Cooler with lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

20:45 <zombie67> pov:  you weren't lucky.  11000 ready to send

20:46 <xcamel> 11000 ehat?

20:46 <xcamel> er what, even?

20:48 <zombie67> LHC work

20:49 <PovAddict>

20:49 <Romulus> <> (at

20:49 <PovAddict> LONG post

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21:32 <PovAddict> "Count WUs again. Forget credits. Forget parity. People can say "I've done 10 CPDN WUs" and everyone will known that's a big accomplishment. Someone says "I've done 10 Milkyway WUs" and you get a "So what did you do the next hour?" You don't have to compare the two accomnplishments in a numerical format."

21:32 <PovAddict> YES

21:32 <PovAddict> some people with their mind right

21:33 <mweltin> LOL

21:34 <mweltin> quick question aobut the create_work function

21:34 <mweltin> I have a filename ohhhh that must be it.

21:34 <mweltin> brb

21:41 <PovAddict> "all threads degenerate towards a reference to Adolph Hitler, or BOINC Credit"

21:41 <mweltin> LOL

21:41 <mweltin> RTFLOL

21:41 <mweltin> where did you get that?

21:41 <PovAddict> from this damn huge post

21:41 <Romulus> <> (at

21:42 <mweltin> classic boinc humor

21:42 <PovAddict> believe me, not much funny there

21:42 <PovAddict> read it if you have the time

21:42 <mweltin> I dont' right now

21:43 <mweltin> work gen troubles.

21:43 <mweltin> never had to add a file create_work() before.

21:43 <mweltin> not running smooth yet, but I htink I got it.

21:43 <mweltin> I wasn't passing the path to the file as well.

21:44 <mweltin> I assume create_work calls the dir_heir_path

21:45 <PovAddict> "The project guy that professes a lack of time yet refuses offers of help because there is that slight chance that things won't be done exactly as he would have done them"

21:45 <PovAddict> mweltin: yes it does

21:46 <PovAddict> did you see this?

21:46 <mweltin> seems out of context.

21:46 <Romulus> <> (at

21:46 <mweltin> yeah

21:53 <mweltin> its not too clear,  cannot stat `/home/boinc/projects/tsp/download/../DMICInstances/brd14051.tsp'

21:53 <mweltin> I'm going to try an absolute path next.

21:53 <PovAddict> err wait

21:53 <PovAddict> no

21:53 <PovAddict> create_work calls the dir_heir_path to know where the file is

21:53 <PovAddict> you should have already copied it into the download directory

21:54 <mweltin> but download has tons of those HEX dirs in it

21:54 <PovAddict> cp ../DMICInstances/brd14051.tsp `dir_heir_path brd14051.tsp`; and then pass ONLY 'brd14051.tsp' to create_work, no path, no slashes

21:54 <PovAddict> dir_heir_path will know what hex dir to copy it to

21:55 <mweltin> ok

21:55 <mweltin> thanks, yeah the work gen wiki page was not clear on that, although I must admit I only skimmed it for examples.  I haven't read it in a while.  It's probably very clear.

21:57 <mweltin> can I move the whole DMICInstantces dir into download, and pass infiles DIMCInstances/brb14051.tsp ?

21:58 <PovAddict> no

21:58 <PovAddict> filenames must be unique, and can't have folders too

21:58 <mweltin> ok

21:59 <PovAddict> even on the client, it will try to save it to a file called DIMCInstances/brb14051.tsp

21:59 <PovAddict> and fail

22:02 <mweltin> got it, where is the workunit (class/structure) defined?

22:03 <PovAddict> somewhere

22:03 <PovAddict> server_types.h maybe

22:03 <mweltin> ahaha

22:03 <PovAddict> okay, as if that thread wasn't long enough

22:03 <PovAddict> trying to read it while parents whine I should go to sleep

22:03 <PovAddict> it's barely 11pm

22:04 <mweltin> boinc_db.h

22:04 <mweltin> take care pov

22:04 <mweltin> see you later

22:04 <mweltin> thanks again for the tip

22:04 <PovAddict> who said I was going

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22:05 <nickuwo> how old are you pov?

22:05 <PovAddict> 17y 3m

22:05 <mweltin> he is 12

22:05 * PovAddict slaps mweltin around a bit with a large trout

22:05 <mweltin> don't let him kid you

22:05 <mweltin> LOL

22:06 <nickuwo> i c... a BOINC prodigy

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22:16 <nickuwo> So I was trying to optimize my mySQL today, and I ended up deleting my database :)

22:16 <mweltin> ouch

22:16 <mweltin> backups?

22:16 <zombie67> pov, what's your time to completion now?

22:16 <nickuwo> no, but I know where the WUs left off, so it's all good

22:17 <nickuwo> MySQL is a finicky bitch

22:17 <PovAddict> 5h 8m

22:17 <PovAddict> running a LHC on the other core

22:17 <zombie67> MUCH better!

22:17 <zombie67> almost half

22:17 <PovAddict> elapsed 1h 13m and 35% done

22:18 <zombie67> this is why I keep attached to every project with a trickle resource

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22:20 <mweltin> MTughan, hey

22:20 <zombie67> soon POV will be a chatty kathy

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22:28 <PovAddict> ...

22:28 <PovAddict> what do you mean with that

22:28 <Romulus> mweltin! You are really helping out a lot

22:28 <zombie67>

22:28 <Romulus> Title: chatty - definition of chatty by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (at

22:28 <PovAddict> "talking a lot"?

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22:29 <zombie67> you are currently mute, you will soon have a voice

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22:29 <zombie67> you have a lot to say, but can't at this time

22:29 <PovAddict> heh

22:29 <mweltin> thanks Romulus I'll take the compliement dispite the fact I can't stand you.

22:29 <MTughan> Aren't we all chatty then?

22:31 <zombie67> no, we can say what we want right now.  pov acn't

22:31 <PovAddict> SETI forum needs a minimum RAC to post

22:31 <PovAddict> and I haven't crunched in months

22:32 <zombie67> same with einstein, btw

22:32 <PovAddict> I know

22:33 <zombie67> good to keep a trickle

22:34 <PovAddict> I watch an http working group mailing list too

22:34 <PovAddict> it's amazing how much can go wrong in a specification

22:34 <PovAddict> all HTTP features carefully documented...

22:35 <PovAddict> then somebody uses two features together in an unexpected way... and surprise, the result isn't clearly defined by the spec, and every server is doing it differently :\

22:38 <zombie67> I see that stuf regularly

22:38 <PovAddict> BOINC doesn't have such problems

22:38 <PovAddict> there is no spec :)

22:39 <zombie67> ATCA (PICMG 3.x) is a standard....yet...

22:39 <mweltin> gotta run

22:39 <mweltin> later guys

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22:41 <PovAddict> Paul's avatar is great too

22:41 <PovAddict>

22:41 <Romulus> <> (at

22:43 <Tank_Master> what does that say?

22:43 <PovAddict> the graph on the back?

22:43 <PovAddict> BOINC Users

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22:44 <Tank_Master> Boloc U*srs is what I can make out

22:45 <Tank_Master> second word doesnt apprear to be users

22:45 <Tank_Master> bah, why do I care?

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22:46 <zombie67> brb

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23:07 <PovAddict> zombie67: Paul has just pwned Eric

23:15 <PovAddict> sheesh

23:15 <PovAddict> I got another LHC WU and SETI got preempted

23:15 <zombie67> only about 20% into the thread so far,

23:19 <zombie67> truth:  SETI crunches and does nothing with the results.  So then why crunch?

23:20 <PovAddict> when an alpha project has problems with their app, and they already have enough error reports, it should immediately stop generating work

23:20 <PovAddict> so it doesn't waste people's CPU time while fixing the bug

23:20 <zombie67> the point i tried to make on AI

23:20 <PovAddict> when any project doesn't have enough time to process the results, I think they should do the same

23:20 <zombie67> +!

23:20 <zombie67> +1

23:21 <PovAddict> instead of wasting their own time trying to keep the users feeded

23:21 <PovAddict> I mean, why don't they have time to process the results?

23:21 <PovAddict> beacuse they are busy maintaining the system so it keeps sending work

23:21 <zombie67> Imagine if SETI were turned off

23:21 <zombie67> many would quit

23:21 <zombie67> BUT

23:21 <zombie67> many would move to projects DOING SOMETHING

23:22 <PovAddict> think LHC

23:22 <PovAddict> scientists don't send work WHY

23:22 <PovAddict> because they are analyzing previous runs

23:22 <PovAddict> and doing actual work on the collider to know what else needs to be simulated

23:22 <zombie67> I try not to think about LHC

23:23 <zombie67> it seems their management wont allow upgrade to the server, even though they have been "hacked"

23:23 <PovAddict> Rytis told me there was some SQL injection that could let setting total_credit to anything :)

23:23 <PovAddict> but he didn't search for details

23:23 <zombie67> yet they still rely on it as a scientific tool!

23:23 <PovAddict> it was found&fixed so many years ago

23:24 <wdsmia>

23:24 <Romulus> <> (at

23:24 <PovAddict> ...

23:24 <zombie67> National Geographic has a great multi-page article

23:25 <wdsmia> on the law suit?

23:25 <zombie67>

23:25 <PovAddict> what is it with USA and lawsuits?

23:25 <Romulus> <> (at

23:25 <zombie67> the lawyers figured out they can sue themselves rich

23:26 <PovAddict> hehe

23:26 <PovAddict> they should put that Wagner guy inside the collider :)

23:26 <zombie67> and by sharing a fraction of the profits, they get the people to REQUIRE law suits!

23:26 <MTughan> How can a US lawsuit affect a European corporation?

23:26 <zombie67> AND the law MAKERS are almost all LAWYERS

23:27 <zombie67> MT:  If they want to sell anything in the US, they must comply

23:27 <zombie67> same in the other direction too

23:27 <zombie67> that is why microsoft is the EU's bitch

23:28 <MTughan> CERN doesn't sell anything in the US as I know.

23:28 <PovAddict> "Could we, just for a moment, please stop being afraid of every little thing we don't fully understand?  This is science, not science fiction.  Let's learn what there is before we hide under our beds from it."

23:28 <zombie67> from?

23:29 <PovAddict> comments on wdsmia's link

23:29 <zombie67> MT, not following your point...

23:31 <zombie67> brb

23:31 <PovAddict> sheesh

23:31 <PovAddict> loaded the thread on my iPod

23:31 <PovAddict> amazing it actually loaded but

23:31 <PovAddict> I take ages to scroll :)

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