IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-03-30

00:00 <MTughan> This would be cool to get... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016825&cid=896

00:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJT> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

00:00 <Romulus> and they want me to say that

00:00 * efc wonders who has time for all this forum drama

00:03 <Soul_keeper> find out where they live and punch them

00:03 <PovAddict> ohh look http://www.bash.org/?49313

00:03 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #49313 (at www.bash.org)

00:04 <dubkat> haha

00:04 <dubkat> i knew it!

00:04 <dubkat> conspiracy!

00:06 <efc> don't see any weather stuff that can detect lightning (other than if its charred, there was lightning)

00:07 <KathrynM> lol

00:07 <KathrynM> that's great

00:10 <efc> Oh nevermind, they have lightning detectors

00:11 <efc> though they are $600 ?!

00:12 <PovAddict> <^Ocean^> I lost 33gig of HDSpace

00:12 <PovAddict> <LlNK> lol

00:12 <PovAddict> <LlNK> check under your keyboard

00:13 <KathrynM> holy cow...  that thread.......

00:13 <PovAddict> maybe I should start ignoring it

00:13 <KathrynM> better for your mental health

00:14 <PovAddict> http://www.bash.org/?86012

00:14 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #86012 (at www.bash.org)

00:14 <efc> hehe this is good.. "Also, since a personal lightning detector is triggered by EMPs, interference from other EMP-emitting devices (such as electronic equipment, ...nuclear weapons, and even car engines)

00:14 <PovAddict> that sounds like something I would do

00:14 <KathrynM> lol

00:14 <efc> I'm not too worried about nuclear weapons false-alarming my lightning detector

00:15 * KathrynM goes to clean the gp cage

00:16 <Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.pastebin.com/f4cc6d708

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00:34 <PovAddict> <@David> All of these kernel panics make this computer more secure.

00:34 <PovAddict> <@David> The machine can't be hacked when it's down.

00:34 <MTughan> lol

00:34 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:35 <Tank_Master> so thats why windows is hacked more?

00:35 <KathrynM> nice

00:35 <Tank_Master> cus it doent panic unless the luser puts in bad drivers?

00:36 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

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00:59 <PovAddict> everyone asleep yet?

01:00 <PovAddict> seems like it

01:01 <zombie67> not me

01:01 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/

01:01 <Romulus> Title: Main Page - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

01:01 <PovAddict> go help on something?

01:02 <PovAddict> maybe you could help with the project list and platform support :)

01:02 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/BOINC_Powered_Project#Projects.2C_Science_Applications.2C_and_Platforms

01:02 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Powered Project - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

01:02 <Romulus> <MTughan> Wow, doesn't compress well... BZ2 gets it down the bannister

01:03 <KathrynM> sleep?

01:03 <MTughan> xcamel: Turn off that damn Markov!

01:03 <KathrynM> at 2pm

01:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: 'sif he would

01:03 <zombie67> ah, this is the old wiki, right?

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01:03 <PovAddict> well

01:03 <PovAddict> can it be called old, considering there is nothing newer? :)

01:04 <zombie67> well, there is trac

01:05 <zombie67> and there is this:  http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/

01:05 <Romulus> Title: BOINC FAQ Service (at boincfaq.mundayweb.com)

01:05 <PovAddict> confusing to users, isn't it?

01:05 <zombie67> I can never tell what is old or new

01:05 <zombie67> very

01:05 <PovAddict> dozen places to look for help, none complete enough :)

01:05 <zombie67> that is one reason I created my own

01:06 <zombie67> list of projects

01:06 <zombie67> heh, scrol down to the bottom of that last url

01:06 <zombie67> ;)

01:07 <zombie67> I don't mind helping out on a FAQ or Wiki

01:08 <zombie67> but I want some kind of assurance that it will be official, and the others will be retired

01:09 <Wabbit> zombie wants to dominate

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01:12 <zombie67> not dominate, just don't want to waste time, like has happened in the past, too many times

01:12 <zombie67> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=46014&nowrap=true#732286

01:12 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJn> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

01:13 <zombie67> Damn, it takes way too many word for Paul to say anything

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01:18 <zombie67> pov fell asleep....

01:19 <Wabbit98> it seems that way

01:19 <PovAddict> just wondering what to answer to latest Paul's novel

01:19 <PovAddict> forum post*

01:19 <zombie67> ah

01:19 <PovAddict> meh same length

01:20 <zombie67> any time it takes 43 words to say "yes" or "no", I have to question why

01:20 <PovAddict> lol

01:20 <PovAddict> well here's the thing

01:20 <PovAddict> Paul isn't understanding what I say

01:20 <PovAddict> I'm not trying to start wiki from scratch, and single-handedly

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01:20 <zombie67> *I* still don't understand what *he* is trying to say

01:21 <PovAddict> it's me, Didactylos, Ageless, Rytis, KathrynM, you, [...] trying to decide what the hell to do with the wiki

01:21 <PovAddict> and depending on the decision, it may involve asking DA about making it official, or if he would agree, etc

01:21 <PovAddict> and if he doesn't, on to think another alternative

01:21 <zombie67> he keeps implying refernces to things tha happened inthe past.  well, I wasn't there then...so speak plainly manz!

01:21 <Wabbit67> would DA ever agree

01:22 <Wabbit67> what is he referring to? (has been around since like the beginning

01:23 <zombie67> DA?  I get the impression he is a control freak

01:24 <Wabbit67> he would want to write the wiki and make sure no one else edited it again

01:24 <Wabbit67> or not mention any other project but SETI

01:25 <zombie67> no, I think he would want someone ELSE to do the work.  He would just want control over content

01:26 <Didactylos> BOINC has an official wiki already.

01:27 <zombie67> we do?

01:27 <PovAddict> Trac

01:27 <zombie67> ah

01:27 <Didactylos> Indeed.

01:27 <Didactylos> We can make it whatever we want it to be (within reason).

01:27 <Wabbit67> reasoning is overrated

01:27 <MTughan> lol

01:28 <PovAddict> Paul keeps thinking I'm trying to start the wiki from scratch and single-handedly

01:28 <MTughan> *whistles* 1:30AM...

01:28 <PovAddict> and thinks I think I can re-do what he took years to do

01:28 <PovAddict> I guess he doesn't understand what I mean with "we"

01:28 <Wabbit67> not the individual we?

01:29 <PovAddict> but I'm not sure if I want to keep arguing with him and trying to get him to understand

01:29 <zombie67> hah!  Trac refers you to the unoficial wiki

01:29 <Didactylos> zombie67: interwiki is good. It eliminates duplication.

01:30 <zombie67> I know, but a single source is better, esp for searching

01:30 <Didactylos> Indeed.

01:30 <zombie67> also, I find it funny that it refers to a wiki that is defunt according to paul

01:30 <PovAddict> well, if they all have a clearly-defined and non-overlapping purpose...

01:30 <Didactylos> But interwiki will make it possible for projects to have their own wiki for project-specific stuff.

01:31 <PovAddict> Paul copied project creation documentation from boinc website and put it on the wiki, unchanged

01:31 <PovAddict> that's just useless duplication imho

01:31 <Didactylos> Putting project-specific stuff on an official BOINC wiki is a problem for me. If it's official BOINC, it has to be project agnostic.

01:32 <zombie67> i think it is a mistake to separate projects from BOINC

01:32 <Didactylos> That's why I'm behind keeping UBW independant, as a single semi-official place for project-specific documentation.

01:32 <zombie67> new users don't see a difference

01:32 <MTughan> It could use examples of concepts from projects IMO.

01:32 <PovAddict> I still heard no comment about the comparison I made

01:32 <PovAddict> <Didactylos> Having two wiki engines on the same site would drive me nuts.

01:32 <PovAddict> http://wiki.laptop.org/

01:32 <PovAddict> http://dev.laptop.org/

01:32 <Romulus> Title: The OLPC Wiki - OLPC (at wiki.laptop.org)

01:32 <Romulus> Title: One Laptop Per Child – Trac (at dev.laptop.org)

01:32 * PovAddict hits Romulus with a wiki engine

01:33 <zombie67> And when there is a problem, it may be BOINC or it may be the project app, or it may be a combination.

01:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: do users look on their browser help files to know how to use a web app? :)

01:34 <zombie67> dunno

01:34 <Wabbit67> I don't

01:34 <zombie67> I can't tell the difference any more

01:34 <zombie67> lines are blurring

01:35 <PovAddict> argh

01:35 <PovAddict> UBW abuses templates

01:35 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Work_Unit_Name_-_RenderFarm%40Home try to edit that page

01:35 <Didactylos> PovAddict: "ur general project wiki is at http://wiki.laptop.org -- the site you're currently browsing is ONLY for bug tracking, and source code."

01:35 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJr> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

01:35 <Romulus> Title: The OLPC Wiki - OLPC (at wiki.laptop.org)

01:35 <Romulus> I was one of the what, 250 of our snow. Can't help it it is for

01:35 <Didactylos> I.e. OLPC don't use the Trac wiki at all.

01:36 <zombie67> Why can't each project have a section within the boinc wiki?

01:36 <PovAddict> I think project and BOINC docs should be separated...

01:37 <Didactylos> zombie67: projects are autonomous - entirely seperate. Love it or hate it, that's the way it is.

01:37 <zombie67> I understand that,

01:37 <zombie67> but like I said, many users do no see a distinction

01:37 <PovAddict> let's make them see it...?

01:38 <PovAddict> MediaWiki manual doesn't explain Wikipedia policies and writing guidelines etc... Wikipedia is just *a* MediaWiki-based wiki

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01:38 <zombie67> ho many times have you seen people have questions about (what is really a) BOINC in the project forums??

01:38 <zombie67> how

01:38 <Didactylos> PovAddict: now *that's* a good example.

01:39 <zombie67> and request/demand changes to boinc in the project forums

01:39 <PovAddict> sometimes wikipedia help links you back to mediawiki manual for things like formatting syntax

01:39 <Didactylos> zombie67: and that's fine. Projects are expected to provide basic BOINC troubleshooting.

01:39 <zombie67> How about a couple of wikis?  One for BOINC and one for projects?

01:40 <PovAddict> zombie67: official wiki and UBW is currently like that, *sort of*

01:40 <Didactylos> zombie67: now that's what I've been saying.

01:40 <PovAddict> sort of, because UBW is superoutdated, and official wiki lacks good user docs

01:41 <PovAddict> I still think user and dev should be separated as well; but I seem to be in the minority, so...

01:41 <zombie67> okay, I am going back to my first point.  I can point out at LEAST 5 sites that are BOINC FAQ/WIKI sites.

01:41 <Romulus> You might have got some lhc/windows work..

01:41 <Didactylos> I know a technical writer (a good one).

01:42 <Didactylos> She can't write it for us, but I think if we put together the user docs in the form we think they should be, she can advise us where we go wrong.

01:42 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I'm trying to document the brain-dead GUIRPC protocol and the little I have is badly written :) so that *will* help

01:42 <zombie67> for every splinter, you will get a different set of answers, often contradictory or out of date

01:43 <Didactylos> PovAddict: did you see the page I wrote.... http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/GuiRpc/Venues

01:43 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJu> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

01:43 <PovAddict> zombie67: if the official docs are good, people will rarely stumble upon the scattered-round-the-net docs

01:43 <PovAddict> sure, there are lots of crappy useless forums about Linux, on free forum hostings

01:44 <PovAddict> but people will ask on the forum from the distro website and get much better answers

01:44 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I did long ago, didn't remember it

01:44 <Didactylos> zombie67: All the major BOINC sites are run (or have involvement with) the same people who want to solve the BOINC wiki mess.

01:45 <Didactylos> No matter what Paul thinks, we aren't really egocentric types (much) ;-)

01:45 <PovAddict> Didactylos: as much as DTDs are probably more well-known, have a look at relax-ng compact :)

01:46 <Didactylos> It was DTD or XML Schema.

01:46 <Didactylos> Did I pick right?

01:46 <PovAddict> oh if that's the choice, DTD

01:46 <PovAddict> schema is nowhere near human-readable

01:47 <Didactylos> :-D

01:48 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/963065

01:48 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 963065 (at pastebin.ca)

01:48 <zombie67> I can see three sites:  1)  Official BOINC; 2)  Official Projects' sites (perhaps they could be centralized?); 3)  User sites telling you how to *really* solve the problem you have.

01:51 <zombie67> is there some way to group a search across multiple sites using google in some way?

01:52 <PovAddict> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=screensaver+site%3Aboinc.berkeley.edu+OR+site%3Aboinc-wiki.info&btnG=Search

01:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJx> (at www.google.com)

01:53 <zombie67> no, I mean, having a single search site that would search across multiple  (but limited) sites.

01:53 <Didactylos> Is one of the reasons UBW wasn't maintained fully *because* it was so huge and covers a lot of things it didn't need to?

01:53 <PovAddict> Didactylos: maybe...

01:54 <zombie67> IOW, A BOINC "sesarch bage"

01:54 <PovAddict> Didactylos: maybe also that some parts are annoying to edit

01:54 <zombie67> page

01:54 <PovAddict> I'll repeat the link:

01:54 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Work_Unit_Name_-_RenderFarm%40Home

01:54 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kJr> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

01:54 <PovAddict> try to edit that, see what you get

01:54 <PovAddict> it's a page containing just a template

01:55 <PovAddict> your average lemmi^H^H^H^H^H user won't figure out how to get to the template edit page

01:55 <PovAddict> and even then, the Note at the bottom is in *another* template

01:56 <PovAddict> (page containing template containing template)

01:56 <PovAddict> so... user reaches that *page*, notices the note has a typo, seperates -> separates (not hypothetical, actual typo)

01:57 <PovAddict> he will take a damn long while to get to the correct edit page

01:57 <PovAddict> also begining -> beginning

01:58 <PovAddict> both just fixed

01:58 <PovAddict> 3 am already?!

01:58 <PovAddict> clocks are such bastards

01:58 * PovAddict drags himself to sleep

01:59 <PovAddict> ...y'all have gone quiet anyway

01:59 <zombie67> gn

02:00 <PovAddict> Didactylos: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/587#comment:1

02:00 <PovAddict> ARGH

02:00 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kK0> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

02:01 <Didactylos> We knocked the original BOINC documentation into shape.

02:01 <Didactylos> We can do the same with anything else we can scrape together....

02:03 <Didactylos> Want me to reopen the ticket?

02:03 <PovAddict> no, I just wanted to scream here

02:05 <Didactylos> No, it's worth reopening.

02:05 <PovAddict> *I* will, +rant

02:05 <Wabbit67> I call for the yays and nays

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02:10 <PovAddict> </rant>

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02:12 <Didactylos> Nice rant.

02:12 <Didactylos> Now I can go to sleep happy.

02:12 <PovAddict> and I should too

02:13 <PovAddict> we'll have a pissed DA tomorrow - yay!

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02:49 <Tank_Master> huh

02:49 <Tank_Master> yoyo is here

02:49 <Tank_Master> must be time for me to head to bed

02:49 <Tank_Master> ;)

02:50 <zombie67> yoyo!

03:06 <yoyo[RKN]> good night Tank_Master

03:06 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

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03:29 <Rookie_69> &wx cxmi

03:30 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

03:30 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

03:30 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 20.5°F / -6.4°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 6.6mph / 10.6km/h | Updated: 4:30 AM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance of flurries. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -7C(19F).; Sunday - Cloudy with sunny periods. 70 percent chance of flurries. Clearing late in (1 more message)

03:30 <Rookie_69> &more

03:30 <Romulus> Rookie_69: the day. Wind becoming north 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) in the morning. High 1C(34F). UV index 3 or moderate. Sunday night clear. Wind north 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low -6C(21F).; Monday - Sunny. High 5C(41F).;

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03:45 <Soul_keeper> http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo

03:45 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Mr. T Treat your mother right (at youtube.com)

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05:43 <CoderForLife> &WX 45140

05:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 42.0F / 5.6C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - A chance of showers early this morning...then showers likely late this morning and afternoon. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers likely in the (1 more message)

05:43 <CoderForLife> &more

05:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Monday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

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05:44 <KathrynM> mornin' CoderForLife

05:44 <CoderForLife> hello

05:45 <KathrynM> more dreaming about Coding?

05:50 <CoderForLife> yes, but I rolled over at 4:00, which deferred action until 5:30

05:50 <Romulus> I remember I just figured this out: one year is too short..

05:51 <CoderForLife> I just started my 2nd test run of the morning

05:52 <KathrynM> nice

05:52 <CoderForLife> of course, it's Coding =)

05:53 <KathrynM> My Operation SPring Cleaning has completed successfully.

05:53 <CoderForLife> No exceptions thrown?

05:53 <CoderForLife> Or did you toss a bunch?

05:53 <KathrynM> nope

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05:53 <KathrynM> 1 big bag of trash

05:54 <KathrynM> and a very clean refrigerator

05:54 <KathrynM> I don't know what was growing in the container I pulled out of the back, and I don't want to know.

05:54 <KathrynM> It may have become sentient.

05:54 <CoderForLife> ah you had a collection of exception objects

05:54 <KathrynM> that I did

05:55 <KathrynM> I swept, mopped, scrubbed and rubbed

05:55 <CoderForLife> I remember one time going through the refrigerator and coming upon a bowl fo peas

05:55 <CoderForLife> I asked my wife what we were saving the peas for

05:55 <CoderForLife> then i said - never mind, it's corn

05:55 <KathrynM> hahahahaha

05:56 <CoderForLife> =)

05:57 <KathrynM> I got out my summer bedding.

05:58 <KathrynM> Time to put away the ugly pink flowered things.  Only nice thing I can say about them is that they are warm.

05:59 <CoderForLife> is it warm enough yet?

05:59 <KathrynM> nights are still a bit chilly

05:59 <KathrynM> but days are getting really nice.

05:59 <KathrynM> 62 on Mon and Tuesday this week

06:00 <CoderForLife> agreed - nice

06:01 * CoderForLife checks the news

06:02 * KathrynM wonders if red wine goes with couscous salad

06:03 <CoderForLife> red wine goes with anything, and is good alone

06:04 <KathrynM> ;)

06:15 <CoderForLife> headlines you may have missed...

06:15 <CoderForLife> "cellphones more dangerous than smoking or asbestos"

06:16 <CoderForLife> "pedophile says Bigfoot made him do it"

06:17 <CoderForLife> "Driver of bus carrying 44 children passes out, teacher's quick reaction keeps vehicle from swerving into oncoming traffic"

06:18 <KathrynM> bigfoot, eh?

06:21 <CoderForLife> He must have been the one driving the bus

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06:43 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast and head-betters

06:54 <CoderForLife> b

06:54 <KathrynM> mcdonalds?

06:55 <CoderForLife> leftovers from yesterday - yes

06:55 <CoderForLife> and Tylenol

06:56 <CoderForLife> brb

06:57 <CoderForLife> r-b

07:05 <CoderForLife> &dict estop

07:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: gcide and moby-thes responded: moby-thes: 27 Moby Thesaurus words for "estop": anticipate, avert, bar, debar, deflect, deter, discourage, dishearten, exclude, fend, fend off, forbid, foreclose, forestall, help, keep from, keep off, obviate, preclude, prevent, prohibit, repel, rule out, save, stave off, turn aside, ward off; gcide: Estop \Es*top"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Estophed}; p. pr. & (1 more message)

07:32 <CoderForLife> ack

07:33 <CoderForLife> this orbit WU has consumed 209 CPU hours, and is still only 85% done

07:34 <CoderForLife> I can't get no orbit satisfaction

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07:37 <KathrynM_> darn it.  I grew that stupid tail again

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07:47 * CoderForLife gets out the carving knife

07:48 * CoderForLife , seeing that the problem is resolved, puts away the knife

07:53 <CoderForLife> ieeee   on top of the long run time, the orbit wu is past the deadline

07:54 * CoderForLife suspends the errant WU

07:55 <CoderForLife> of course, it doesn't suspend

07:55 * CoderForLife takes out the elephant run, and terminates the orbit WU with extreme prejudice

07:55 <DerMeister> *g*

07:56 <CoderForLife> er gun*

07:56 <CoderForLife> I am interested in the orbit project, but I think I'll wait for it to stabilize a bit

07:57 <KathrynM> supposedly the new version takes care of the suspend problem.

07:57 <KathrynM> I don't know because I haven't gotten one.

07:57 <KathrynM> And don't feel so bad about killing it.  It would have died on its own eventually with maximum disk use or something

07:57 <CoderForLife> which new version?

07:57 <KathrynM> uhhhhhhhh

07:57 <KathrynM> dunno

07:58 <KathrynM> Maybe I'm thinkging of another project?

07:58 * KathrynM now realizes why boinc didn't start at boot on the other machine

07:58 <CoderForLife> this one downloaded after the suspend discussion

07:59 <KathrynM> might it have been tagged for the old app?

07:59 <KathrynM> dunno

07:59 * CoderForLife feels tagged

08:00 <KathrynM> you're it

08:00 <CoderForLife> well, that'll be quite enough of THAT for while

08:00 * KathrynM goes to charge the cell phone

08:00 <KathrynM> or I might not get my wake up call in the morning

08:01 <CoderForLife> IIIIEEE

08:01 <CoderForLife> it's STILL RUNNING

08:02 <KathrynM> zombie

08:02 <KathrynM> kill kill kill

08:02 * CoderForLife drives a kill -9 through it's ill-spawned heart

08:03 <CoderForLife> I spit on you

08:03 <CoderForLife> where is Spit when you need her?

08:03 <KathrynM> I've ended with a few orphaned processes lately.

08:03 <KathrynM> blasted E@H

08:04 <CoderForLife> looks like I finally killed it

08:05 <KathrynM> murderer!!!!!!

08:05 <KathrynM> :p

08:05 <xcamel> 'lo

08:05 <CoderForLife> I feel awful

08:05 <CoderForLife> morning Jay

08:06 * KathrynM sniffs

08:06 <Romulus> not because of an uncaught exception in bar()...

08:06 <KathrynM> such a sort life

08:06 <KathrynM> oh be quiet rommie

08:06 <CoderForLife> poor orbit zombie orphan un-dead monster

08:06 <KathrynM> be careful

08:06 <KathrynM> they come back

08:07 <CoderForLife> you're right - I shouldn't call it "poor"

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08:11 <Rookie_69> &wx yhz

08:11 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Showers | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM ADT; Today - Increasing cloudiness. A few flurries beginning this morning and ending this afternoon. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming north 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) this morning. High 1C(34F).; (1 more message)

08:11 <Rookie_69> &more

08:11 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Tonight - Clearing early this evening. Wind north 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -7C(19F).; Monday - Becoming cloudy. High 2C(36F).;

08:12 <CoderForLife> morning J Glenn

08:12 <Rookie_69> Morning, Don F.

08:13 <CoderForLife> was just tryig to figure out who J G Davidson was in my Skype

08:13 <CoderForLife> I figured it our

08:13 <Rookie_69> I dunno...

08:13 <CoderForLife> out*

08:14 <CoderForLife> somewhere called DartMouth

08:14 <Romulus> yeah one crop takes out the new dually

08:14 <Rookie_69> Maybe I should change that to something more recognizable...

08:15 <CoderForLife> Great White North?

08:15 <CoderForLife> Frozen Tundra?

08:15 <CoderForLife> PermaFrostRUs?

08:15 <xcamel> it is at 17F

08:16 <CoderForLife> see - it's bleeding over the border

08:16 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 16.9F / -8.4C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.77in / 1041.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds around 5 mph... becoming east around 5 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Monday - (1 more message)

08:16 <xcamel> &more

08:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Snow...sleet likely with a chance of freezing rain in the morning. Rain likely. Little or no snow and sleet accumulation. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

08:17 <CoderForLife> it's supposed to rain here over the next couple of days, and make my mess messier

08:17 * KathrynM signs off for the evening

08:17 <KathrynM> ttyl

08:17 <CoderForLife> cya K

08:17 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

08:19 <xcamel> warmer today, rain/sleet/snow tomorrow, possible t-storms on tuesday

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08:33 <xcamel> 'lo Jord

08:33 * Ageless yawns

08:33 <xcamel> ditto

08:34 <Ageless> so, all still well in the land of milk and honey?

08:35 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, gerany

08:35 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 89°F / 32°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:80 F. / 27 C.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:87 F. / 31 C.; (1 more message)

08:35 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin germany

08:35 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 2:20 PM CEST; Overcast. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.;

08:36 * Ageless looks out the window and sees it rain.

08:38 <xcamel> the land of snow and maple syrup.

08:41 <CoderForLife> milk and honey

08:41 <CoderForLife> milky white and sweet like honey

08:42 <CoderForLife> bbiab

08:44 * yoyo[RKN] is now in the land of fresh coffee

08:44 <xcamel> this is the big 'open sugarhouse' weekend in NY

08:46 <xcamel> &coffee

08:46 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

08:50 <xcamel> &wx LaPaz Mexico

08:50 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 37°F | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.20in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 8 | Updated: 7:55 AM EDT; Temperature: 45°F | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 30.16in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:SE | Wind Speed: 9 | Updated: 8:35 AM EDT; Temperature: 43°F | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.20in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:North | Wind Speed: 0 | Updated: (5 more messages)

08:50 <xcamel> &more

08:50 <Romulus> xcamel: 7:50 AM EDT; Temperature: 36°F | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.26in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 13 | Updated: 7:00 AM EDT; Temperature: 49°F | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.14in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 7 | Updated: 6:54 AM CDT; Temperature: 33°F | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.30in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: (4 more messages)

08:50 <xcamel> &more

08:50 <Romulus> xcamel: 13 | Updated: 7:54 AM EDT; Temperature: 39°F | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.19in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:SE | Wind Speed: 12 | Updated: 6:50 AM CDT; Temperature: 34°F | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.27in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:ESE | Wind Speed: 15 | Updated: 7:53 AM EDT; Temperature: 43°F | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.18in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:ESE | (3 more messages)

08:51 <xcamel> &more

08:51 <Romulus> xcamel: Wind Speed: 10 | Updated: 8:32 AM EDT; Temperature: 38°F | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.19in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 10 | Updated: 6:54 AM EDT; Temperature: 37°F | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.21in | Conditions Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction:ESE | Wind Speed: 10 | Updated: 8:42 AM EDT; Temperature: 34°F | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.22in | Conditions Overcast | (2 more messages)

08:51 <xcamel> &more

08:51 <Romulus> xcamel: Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 13 | Updated: 7:55 AM EDT; Temperature: 41°F | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.17in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 9 | Updated: 7:53 AM EDT; Temperature: 35°F | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.27in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:ESE | Wind Speed: 14 | Updated: 7:54 AM EDT; Temperature: 45°F | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.16in | (1 more message)

08:51 <xcamel> &more

08:51 <Romulus> xcamel: Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:SE | Wind Speed: 8 | Updated: 8:35 AM EDT; Temperature: 35°F | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.23in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 10 | Updated: 6:53 AM CDT;

08:51 <CoderForLife> wattup with wx?

08:51 <xcamel> rss feed wasn't cleared

08:52 <xcamel> &weather MMLP

08:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 91°F / 33°C | Humidity: 12% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1010hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 14km/h | Updated: 4:50 PM MST; Clear. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Overcast. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Overcast. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Overcast. Low:57 F. / 14 C.;

08:52 <xcamel> &airport mmlp

08:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: I couldn't find mmlp in airport.

08:53 <xcamel> &weather LaPaz, Mexico

08:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 37°F | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.20in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:East | Wind Speed: 8 | Updated: 7:55 AM EDT; Temperature: 45°F | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.16in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:SE | Wind Speed: 9 | Updated: 8:50 AM EDT; Temperature: 43°F | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 30.20in | Conditions Overcast | Wind Direction:North | Wind Speed: 0 | Updated: (5 more messages)

08:55 <xcamel> Updated: 13 hr 5 min 33 sec ago

08:55 <xcamel> This station is not reporting!

08:59 <xcamel> now it's fixed - missing variable call

09:03 <Ageless> &tea

09:03 <Romulus> I don't have a clue, Ageless.

09:03 <Ageless> hmmm... :)

09:04 <Ageless> &tea with sugar and hold the milk (yuck)

09:04 <Romulus> Dunno!

09:04 <Ageless> hahahahahaha

09:04 <yoyo[RKN]> &cake

09:04 <Romulus> No idea.

09:04 <Ageless> &icetea

09:04 <Romulus> Dunno, Ageless.

09:04 <Ageless> it doesn't know much

09:09 <xcamel> &icetea

09:09 <Romulus> Frosty and refreshing..

09:09 <xcamel> &cake

09:09 <Romulus> Better yet, try crumpets.

09:09 <xcamel> &tea

09:09 <Romulus> Some English breakfast blend for you?

09:09 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

09:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 43.3F / 6.3C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Patchy fog early in the morning. A chance of rain early in the morning...then a slight chance of showers late in the morning. A chance of showers in the afternoon. High in the lower 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the (2 more messages)

09:09 <wdsmia> &more

09:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: east in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Tonight - Rain likely and isolated thunderstorms in the evening... then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Low in the lower 40s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Monday - Showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. High in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

09:09 <wdsmia> &more

09:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: shifting to the southwest 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.;

09:10 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

09:10 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

09:17 <xcamel> wazzup in the flatlands?

09:28 <Rookie_69> Looks like rain, showers, and precipitation...

09:28 <xcamel> uh-huh

09:29 <xcamel> wow - from 16F to 25F in 90 minutes

09:29 <xcamel> maybe it will hit 40

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09:32 * CoderForLife has returned - for the moment

09:37 <CoderForLife> parts are on order for us to build a media server, based on MediaPortal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaPortal

09:37 <Romulus> Title: MediaPortal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

09:37 <xcamel> like MythTV?

09:38 <CoderForLife> yes, but this one is open source on Windows

09:38 <xcamel> ah..

09:38 <CoderForLife> very nice UI

09:38 <CoderForLife> we want to record season 4 of BSG

09:38 * xcamel will miss the first 2

09:39 <xcamel> and the Sarah Jane Chronicles

09:39 <xcamel> and Dr Who

09:39 <CoderForLife> 10:00 to 11:00 on any night is tough one for me

09:39 <CoderForLife> we don't have any kind of DVR

09:40 <xcamel> I do, but not satellite

09:40 <CoderForLife> we will this coming week

09:40 <CoderForLife> using one of my existing boxes

09:41 <CoderForLife> it'll have to boinc a little less

09:41 <xcamel> hmmm..

09:41 <CoderForLife> boinc by day, media server by night

09:42 <CoderForLife> a cheap, good solution

09:43 <xcamel> only one winbox, slightly overloaded

09:43 <CoderForLife> this box is currently running OpenSUSE, and only doing boinc (QMC)

09:44 <CoderForLife> we'll put XP back on it

09:45 <CoderForLife> I have some other major expenses to deal with, so I get off with a $60 video capture card and some cables

09:46 <CoderForLife> and no Tivo contract

09:46 <xcamel> wow - I just had an idea..

09:46 <CoderForLife> go on...

09:47 <xcamel> I think I can hook up my box at work to the cable box and record them

09:47 <CoderForLife> good

09:47 <xcamel> I'll have to think on that one some more..

09:48 <CoderForLife> This is my first experience with this sort of thing

09:48 <CoderForLife> Stephen has been watching cable in his room, so we took his machine to the basement and hooked it up to the big screen TV

09:49 <CoderForLife> we'll do the real thing with the media server in the data center, rather than having it out with the TV

09:50 <xcamel> good luck with it..

09:51 <xcamel> I think a media card on my network would bury it.

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09:55 <xcamel> but it would be an interesting project

09:56 <xcamel> supercamel would eat it right up with 500gb of storage

09:56 <CoderForLife> sure

09:56 <CoderForLife> was just reading MediaPortal info

10:33 <xcamel> http://www.pchdtv.com/

10:33 <Romulus> Title: pcHDTV (at www.pchdtv.com)

10:33 <Romulus> lol I've seen for awhile :)

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11:07 <xcamel> that's always fun..

11:10 <BadBarbarian> 'lo Jay

11:10 <xcamel> 'lo BB

11:11 <xcamel> btw.. did you mean "Lima Peru" ??

11:11 <BadBarbarian> yes i am going to Peru

11:11 <xcamel> way cool..

11:11 <xcamel> take tons of sunscreen...

11:12 <BadBarbarian> its the rainy season

11:12 <xcamel> My dad and sopme friends got the worst sunburns ever down there..

11:12 <xcamel> er some..

11:12 <BadBarbarian> lol going to the amazon

11:13 <BadBarbarian> i love the jungle

11:14 <xcamel> take lots of pictures..

11:14 <xcamel> and don't pi$$ in the water

11:14 <BadBarbarian> ok

11:14 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:15 <xcamel> there is this little tiny fish...

11:15 <BadBarbarian> with a red belly

11:15 <xcamel> who will cause you more pain than you have ever experienced in your life...

11:16 <xcamel> think of a red hot poker being stuck right up toyr ****

11:16 * xcamel can't type today..

11:16 <BadBarbarian> been there before lol

11:17 <xcamel> the piranha are campers compared to that little thing..

11:17 <BadBarbarian> let me see if i can find my pics from last trip for you

11:17 <xcamel> We might go to panama next year..

11:17 <BadBarbarian> candi rou asue

11:18 <BadBarbarian> my spelling is wrong

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11:18 <BadBarbarian> but thats the one that swims up your penis

11:20 <BadBarbarian> thats the latin name for it i believe

11:20 <BadBarbarian> let me look it up

11:26 <BadBarbarian> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_fish

11:26 <Romulus> Title: Candiru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

11:26 <BadBarbarian> thats the one

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11:33 <xcamel> yup - that's the one...

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11:39 <xcamel> how long are you going for?

11:46 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

11:46 <xcamel> er not..

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12:02 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

12:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 45.7F / 7.6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers likely in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows (1 more message)

12:02 <CoderForLife> &more

12:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the lower 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Monday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

12:02 <CoderForLife> I'd like the 40 percent solution

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12:46 * CoderForLife wanders back again

12:46 <CoderForLife> Fixed a bug that has had me bothered for a couple of weeks

12:46 * CoderForLife experiences Coding nirvana

12:48 * CoderForLife wanders off with a dopey grin in his face

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14:08 <xcamel> re-back

14:18 <Didactylos> Who was it who said "It is better to have a smaller slice of the pie, *but to enlarge the pie*"?

14:21 <xcamel> I don't think that's the exact quote

14:21 <PovAddict> while you're at it, who said "as long as there are two people in the world, there will be an argument"?

14:22 <xcamel> that had to be a woman.

14:22 <PovAddict> (and who said "I disagree" as a reply? :D)

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14:28 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Can I get you to try out a Java program for me, and if it flickers for you?

14:29 <PovAddict> as long as it's precompiled

14:29 <MTughan_> I'm starting to think that drawing code is either slow, or Apple's Java is flawed...

14:31 <MTughan_> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/SuperTTT.tar.bz2

14:31 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kOF> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

14:31 <MTughan_> It's three classes, that's why the packaging.

14:31 <PovAddict> that's what jar is for :D

14:31 <MTughan_> Meh.

14:32 <MTughan_> I couldn't be bothered with a Manifest.

14:32 <PovAddict> I clicked anywhere and immediately got an exception

14:32 <MTughan_> What exception?

14:32 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/963633

14:32 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 963633 (at pastebin.ca)

14:33 <MTughan_> Oh, I see what it is...

14:33 <MTughan_> You didn't click just anywhere. You clicked in a space.

14:34 <MTughan_> Although I should be checking for that. Thanks.

14:34 <Didactylos> What subjects does good error documentation need to cover?

14:34 <PovAddict> MTughan_: also, no flicker

14:35 <Didactylos> Explanation, Mitigating factors, Workarounds, Fixes, Version the error applies to?

14:35 <PovAddict> and closing the window didn't close the program (didn't get prompt back on console)

14:35 <Didactylos> Did I miss anything?

14:35 <MTughan_> No, I don't get any flicker when it's focused. How 'bout when it's in the background?

14:35 <MTughan_> Also, I'll fix that closing issue.

14:35 <MTughan_> For now, use the File->Quit command.

14:36 <PovAddict> MTughan_: neither; not even with a window partially covering it, and not even when I move a window around over it (badly-written Windows API apps may redraw whole thing in that case, and flicker)

14:36 <MTughan_> Huh... Each of the separate squares there is its own class, and only redraws when the user does something with it. Otherwise, it just uses an image...

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14:37 <PovAddict> MTughan_: well I still see no flicker in any case

14:37 <MTughan_> Okay, thanks. Maybe it's something with Apple's Java then.

14:38 <PovAddict> also, you have growed a tail

14:38 <MTughan_> I know...

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14:39 <MTughan> Yeah, this is really odd... When in focus, it doesn't constantly redraw. It constantly redraws when in the background though...

14:40 <MTughan> Double buffering is on, and it should ignore OS requests to repaint.

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14:56 <Didactylos> Hey, PovAddict

14:57 <Didactylos> One advantage of having the troubleshooting and error stuff on the OBW is we can have dynamic lists of open bugs.

14:59 * CoderForLife hates lists of bugs

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15:07 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: how about filtered lists of bugs?

15:08 <PovAddict> I think he meant he hates bugs for his own software :]

15:08 <PovAddict> maybe "hates lists of bugs" was a reference to w#$%-related trauma :)

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15:15 <ilovegizmos> can one of you help me out real fast? i'm trying to build UC2 in Visual Studio 2008 to make a .exe to distribute but I'm not getting an option to build.  any ideas?

15:15 * PovAddict has 1 hour of Visual Studio experience - and it was not good experience

15:15 <ilovegizmos> dang

15:16 <nickuwo> press F5?

15:16 <nickuwo> that's all i can think of

15:16 <Didactylos> What sort of project is it?

15:16 <Romulus> suspends the errant WU

15:16 <ilovegizmos> F5 no work; it's just the BOINC example app

15:16 <PovAddict> Didactylos: uppercase2 sample BOINC app

15:17 <xcamel> guess I'm not going to get a reply back from Pasquale

15:17 <Didactylos> Build solution?

15:18 <ilovegizmos> i have the build toolbar up but it's all greyed out

15:18 <Didactylos> Do you have the project selected?

15:18 <Didactylos> Open the properties and check the configuration type.

15:20 <ilovegizmos> it says it's just a C/C++ header

15:20 <ilovegizmos> there's another one that says C source but I get the same problem

15:21 <Didactylos> I know!

15:21 <Didactylos> You didn't open the project file.

15:21 <nickuwo> according to the wiki there's some stuff you have to do to get it to work in 2008... http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileApp

15:21 <Romulus> Title: CompileApp - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

15:21 <Didactylos> Does UC2 *have* a project file?

15:21 <nickuwo> yea

15:23 <ilovegizmos> does it work with VS 08?

15:26 <nickuwo> apparently it works with the express edition... I'd like to assume that means it'll work with the regular edition as well, but who knows

15:26 <ilovegizmos> well i did the conversion and got 9 failures and 3 successes

15:27 <nickuwo> was uc2 one of the successes?

15:28 <ilovegizmos> no it got a fatal error; couldn't find a source file

15:28 <nickuwo> which one

15:28 <ilovegizmos> ..\api\graphics2_util.C

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15:31 <PovAddict> do you have boinc source tree, or just boinc_samples?

15:31 <ilovegizmos> just samples; i take it i need all?

15:32 <PovAddict> api\graphics2_util.C is in boinc...

15:32 <Romulus> yeah, but that domain is free.

15:32 <PovAddict> you need a lot of stuff from api and lib

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15:32 * Tank_Master is listening to: Deepsky Ft. Jes Vs Yilmaz Altanhan - Eighties Ghost (AvB Bootleg) (Reconstruction)

15:32 <ilovegizmos> alright; where does it need to be in relation to the samples folder?  same place? samples inside it? what?

15:33 <nickuwo> I got mine like C:\BOINC and c:\boinc_samples and it works

15:33 <PovAddict> eww root

15:34 <ilovegizmos> ok

15:34 <ilovegizmos> yes yes it's the evil taint of windows file systems

15:34 <nickuwo> Pov has root issues

15:35 <Tank_Master> its probably deeply rooted in his past

15:35 <PovAddict> shush you

15:35 <nickuwo> nice!

15:35 <Tank_Master> :P

15:41 <ilovegizmos> i still have to build the libraries right?

15:42 <nickuwo> couldn't hurt

15:43 <ilovegizmos> do i need to add 'disableclient' and 'disableserver'?

15:43 <PovAddict> ...huh?

15:43 <PovAddict> on Windows?

15:43 <PovAddict> you can't use the configure script on Windows

15:43 <ilovegizmos> yea i know

15:43 <ilovegizmos> so do i just run auto_setup as is?

15:44 <ilovegizmos> or _autosetup

15:44 <PovAddict> you can't use autosetup on Windows

15:44 <nickuwo> actually you prolly don't have to build that...

15:44 <PovAddict> at least not with Visual Studio...

15:44 <ilovegizmos> there's another win_build folder or something?

15:44 <PovAddict> yes

15:44 <ilovegizmos> kk

15:48 <ilovegizmos> should i just run the libboinc project?

15:49 <nickuwo> i think samples.sln

15:51 <ilovegizmos> i need to build the boinc libraries before compiling the sample though

15:51 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:51 <yoyo[RKN]> you need libboinc

15:52 <ilovegizmos> alright so i'll do that first after this SDK thing; hopefully that'll work right

15:53 <nickuwo> my samples proj builds libboinc b4 all the apps... but I suppose that way will work as well

15:55 <ilovegizmos> i'm just not sure about rolling back the SDK; the wiki says it works in express edition but I have 2008 Pro

15:55 <nickuwo> yea, idk... give it a try without it

15:57 <xcamel> wow.. pushing 40F now...

15:57 <xcamel> friggin heat wave...

15:58 <ilovegizmos> careful... your ice might melt

15:58 <PovAddict> Didactylos: http://www.boinc-wiki.info/A_Simple_Example_of_the_Validation_Process

15:58 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kOr> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

15:59 <PovAddict> that looks like either BS, or something specific to how the project (SETI?) validator works... and in another page, there is a rant about why a quorum of three should be used, when actually lots of projects may already use that quorum

15:59 <PovAddict> all looks too seti-specific

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16:01 <Didactylos> Indeed.

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16:07 <efc> moo

16:07 <PovAddict> although I think my renderfarm validator suffered from that problem...

16:07 <efc> 6 inches of rain in some places in the county in the last 24 hours, but only about 2.2" here

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16:10 <e-30> hey

16:10 <xcamel> 'lo e

16:10 <xcamel> and Ed

16:10 <e-30> how are you doing

16:10 <xcamel> good enough

16:12 <e-30> i am trying to figetr out a new mouth boear for my q 6600 and dont know what one to use i an not going sli but i need sata

16:12 <CoderForLife> lol - back

16:12 <e-30> at last

16:12 <CoderForLife> I'm traumitized for many reasons, PovAddict

16:12 <PovAddict> Didactylos: another: http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Redundancy_Checker mentions signals, chirping, etc

16:12 <Romulus> Title: Redundancy Checker - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

16:12 <CoderForLife> w@#% is one

16:13 <CoderForLife> I was downstairs wiping out the SUSE Linux partitions and starting an XP install on one of the boxes

16:13 <CoderForLife> that's traumatic, also

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16:14 <efc> Hey X, ever looked into lightning detectors?

16:15 <efc> Around $500 and up they give approximate range and direction so you can have your own little lightning map..

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16:16 <xcamel> I have a couple of boltek lightning detectors

16:16 <xcamel> they work pretty well

16:17 <xcamel> they work better with Aninoquisi L2K software though

16:17 <efc> Do you use http://www.strikestarus.com/ ? Supposed to aggregate data from bunches of bolteks.

16:17 <Romulus> Title: StrikeStarUS (at www.strikestarus.com)

16:18 <efc> (TX/Louisiana getting pounded..)

16:18 <xcamel> no

16:19 <xcamel> I het national lightning data from weathertap

16:19 <e-30> can anyone help me find a good moutherboard for oc

16:19 <e-30> i have a q 6600 and a 8800 video canrd

16:21 <efc> Think the Intel chipsets are supposed to be strong OC'ers right now

16:21 <xcamel> Ah.. Astrogenic makes some good programs

16:21 <e-30> what bord will be the best for not going sli

16:22 <efc> I'd check anandtech.. don't keep up with it that well myself

16:22 <e-30> oh

16:23 <efc> If I ever figure out how to hack win2k into running on a quad, I might try it

16:24 <e-30> lol i am running xp still

16:33 <efc> The LDs are expensive enough I might try building one..

16:35 <e-30> humm

16:35 <xcamel> LD's are covered by too many patents

16:36 <xcamel> bbiab..

16:36 <e-30> well i am looking at asus ans abit witch one is bett

16:37 <e-30> i am willing to go to about 200 for this bmoutherboard

16:38 <efc> In the past I'd say Abit for OC but dunno now

16:38 <efc> see if anand did a review or roundup with it. they usually do some OC.

16:41 <e-30> humm

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16:51 <e-30> i am going with abit IP35-Pro it seams the best to me and i can get it off ebay for 126

16:51 <e-30> not to bad

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17:19 <PovAddict> Didactylos: btw did you see my link about RelaxNG yesterday?

17:19 <Didactylos> I did.

17:20 <Didactylos> Seems a nice mid-point between DTD and schema, but it doesn't seem very widespread.

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17:21 <PovAddict> there is an XML-based Relax NG too (what I posted is the compact syntax)

17:21 <PovAddict> it's still easier to understand than schema

17:23 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Broadband_Noise that sooo needs a rewrite to sound more serious :)

17:23 <Romulus> Title: Broadband Noise - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

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17:26 <Didactylos> Was the error list extracted from the source using a script?

17:26 <Didactylos> Does the script still exist?

17:27 <PovAddict> I doubt it, but... ask paul?

17:27 <PovAddict> :)

17:27 <PovAddict> I think it was extracted from sample logs

17:28 <Didactylos> I'm beginning to try to pull together all the error information I can find.

17:28 <Didactylos> It is scattered at present.

17:28 <Didactylos> I have WCG, the UBW and BFS - anywhere else I should be looking?

17:29 <PovAddict> BFS?

17:29 <Didactylos> (If this works out, I will ask for help making the reference comprehensive)

17:29 <Didactylos> BOINC FAQ

17:30 <Didactylos> This is also a preliminary step to making the error messages based on localisable codes, so it is about more than just documentation.

17:31 <PovAddict> yay

17:32 <Didactylos> Ref http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/153

17:32 <Romulus> Title: #153 (Make available to translate message strings into Messages tab.) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:33 <PovAddict> yeah, we need an XML* computer-readable syntax for each message

17:33 <PovAddict> * or something else?

17:34 <Didactylos> Any closer to a decision where you want to go with UBW yet?

17:36 <PovAddict> *I* am supposed to decide? o_o

17:36 <Didactylos> Heh. No.

17:37 <Didactylos> IIRC correctly, you would like the project specific stuff banished from any official wiki, and the official wiki split into two.

17:38 <PovAddict> well, a single wiki with dev+client+project stuff definitely is impossible

17:38 <PovAddict> at least because DA will never agree

17:38 <Didactylos> It does save us the trouble of discussin that option, true.

17:38 <PovAddict> (consider "dev" as including "how to set up a project" documentation)

17:39 <Didactylos> 'k

17:39 <Romulus> yes... ironic, isn't it?

17:39 <PovAddict> no it's not, you silly bot

17:40 <PovAddict> &8b will DA ever agree with us?

17:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: Of course.

17:40 <PovAddict> that's encouraging

17:40 <Didactylos> I think this gives us a way forward, until we take more complicated decisions that require input from DA.

17:41 <xcamel> yummy dinner

17:41 <Didactylos> We can develop the project-specific content in UBW, and the user documentation in Trac

17:42 <Didactylos> (I think this is a decision that is going to be made by the people who show up and contribute....)

17:42 <PovAddict> here's what I consider definitive: project-specific content in UBW; dev stuff stays in Trac

17:43 <Didactylos> Yes, that seems definitive.

17:43 <PovAddict> options may be: user documentation on Trac; or user documentation in what we now call UBW, which may become official if the Powers That Be agree with it

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17:44 <PovAddict> btw... I just noticed somebody else that should be notified about our wiki efforts

17:45 <PovAddict> Lee Carre

17:45 <PovAddict> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Special:Contributions/Lee

17:45 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kPY> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

17:48 <Didactylos> I think putting the user docs on UBW is only viable if it has the prospect of being made official.

17:48 <Didactylos> We know that will never happen while it has project stuff in.

17:48 <Didactylos> So it would need seperating at some point in the future.

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17:49 <PovAddict> and three wikis doesn't sound nice

17:50 <PovAddict> or does it?

17:51 <Didactylos> I don't think it's ruled out. I'm not in favour, though.

17:52 <PovAddict> we need outside opinions

17:53 <Didactylos> Want to ask SETI? I'll ask WCG...?

17:54 <Didactylos> Or were you trying to wake up the rest of the channel?

17:54 <Didactylos> FUEGO!

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17:56 <PovAddict> WHERE

17:56 <PovAddict> AHH

17:56 * PovAddict runs around in panic

17:57 * Tank_Master slaps Didactylos around a bit with a large trout

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17:58 <Didactylos> o/` Vith traditional fish schlapping song! o/`

18:00 <PovAddict> well, anything will do

18:01 <PovAddict> ask in forums, or ask individual people, whatever... we just need more opinions than us two

18:07 <Didactylos> I'll start with the WCG PTB.

18:08 * KathrynM_ is back (gone 05:56:38)

18:08 <KathrynM_> moanin'

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18:09 <PovAddict> I just converted a whole wiki page from HTML to wiki formatting

18:09 <PovAddict> (PG FAQ)

18:09 <KathrynM> sounds like fun

18:10 <PovAddict> did you /clear? if you didn't, read up on log :)

18:11 <KathrynM> whoa

18:13 <PovAddict> whatever we do, we need more people working on the UBW

18:13 <KathrynM> let me add it to my todo list :)

18:13 <KathrynM> which did shrink this weekend

18:14 <KathrynM> PovAddict, love your email sig :)

18:20 <PovAddict> hmm

18:21 <PovAddict> when you measure transfer speeds in kbps, is that 'kilo' 1000-based or 1024-based?

18:21 * KathrynM is having the vi vs emacs debate with her brother in the chat box on scrabulous

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18:21 <KathrynM> which ever makes it look faster?

18:22 <PovAddict> lol

18:23 <ilovegizmos> can one of you help me out some more with building UC2?  it's still not working for me

18:23 <Didactylos> PovAddict: going to ask Eric and Jord?

18:23 * KathrynM is cluesless about building uc

18:24 <KathrynM> clueless even

18:24 <nickuwo> why would one of my clients be asking for 100X as much credit as other computers for the same amount of CPU hours?

18:24 <KathrynM> what core client version?

18:24 <KathrynM> what are the benchmarks?

18:24 <Romulus> Rumor has it the benchmarks are impressive - both running at 2.7G, KathrynM

18:24 <KathrynM> oh shut up Romulus

18:24 <nickuwo> beets me, its running on a VM, would that matter?

18:25 <KathrynM> dunno

18:25 <KathrynM> never ran in a vm

18:25 <nickuwo> gizmo, what's it saying now?

18:26 <ilovegizmos> i installed the old SDK, did the file changes, tried to compile libboinc, but it's not working

18:26 <ilovegizmos> so uc2 obviously isn't either

18:27 * PovAddict has other stuff to do

18:27 <ilovegizmos> also, when i tried to compile i did as both win32 and x86

18:27 <ilovegizmos> x64 sorry

18:28 <nickuwo> what errors did it give you

18:28 <PovAddict> Rytis would rather have me making his screensaver than editing PrimeGrid FAQ on the UBW

18:28 <ilovegizmos> from liboinc itself i got error C2664: 'BOOL (HANDLE,PSYM_ENUMMODULES_CALLBACK64,PVOID)' : cannot convert parameter 2 from 'overloaded-function' to 'PSYM_ENUMMODULES_CALLBACK64'

18:29 <PovAddict> on what file/line?

18:29 <ilovegizmos> ..\lib\stackwalker_win.cpp(644)

18:29 <PovAddict> latest svn?

18:29 <ilovegizmos> yep just got it today

18:30 <PovAddict> the line is if (!pSEM(g_hProcess, SymEnumerateModulesProc, NULL))

18:30 <PovAddict> right?

18:30 <ilovegizmos> hang on

18:33 <ilovegizmos> line 644 is pThreadEntry = new BOINC_THREADLISTENTRY;

18:33 <PovAddict> of stackwalker_win.cpp?

18:33 <PovAddict> BOINC_THREADLISTENTRY is nowhere in that file

18:34 <PovAddict> you're looking at diagnostics_win.C, you should be looking at stackwalker_win.cpp :)

18:34 <ilovegizmos> i'm looking at just libboinc

18:35 <PovAddict> both files are in the lib folder

18:36 <ilovegizmos> could it be because the projects are running in a different order than they're listed in my solution browser thing?

18:37 <PovAddict> I think it's a tiny code bug...

18:37 <PovAddict> open stackwalker_win.cpp, go to line 644

18:38 <ilovegizmos> ok

18:38 <ilovegizmos> sorry i had the line wrong it's if (!pSEM(g_hProcess, SymEnumerateModulesProc, NULL))

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18:39 <PovAddict> try making that &SymEnumerateModulesProc

18:39 <KathrynM> hiya Jord

18:39 <ilovegizmos> and try build again?

18:39 <PovAddict> yep

18:39 <PovAddict> that is the "more correct" way of passing a function pointer

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18:41 <Ageless> hi all

18:42 <ilovegizmos> slightly different error this time; error C2664: 'BOOL (HANDLE,PSYM_ENUMMODULES_CALLBACK64,PVOID)' : cannot convert parameter 2 from 'BOOL (__stdcall *)(LPSTR,DWORD64,PVOID)' to 'PSYM_ENUMMODULES_CALLBACK64'

18:42 <ilovegizmos> same place though

18:42 <ilovegizmos> ..\lib\stackwalker_win.cpp(644)

18:43 <PovAddict> try building 32-bit

18:43 <ilovegizmos> is it a different file in the win_build folder?

18:43 <PovAddict> no, it should be a visual studio option

18:44 <ilovegizmos> thought so; that's what i'm running it as

18:44 <ilovegizmos> should i try x64?

18:45 <PovAddict> the types ARE compatible

18:45 <PovAddict> I don't understand why it gives an error

18:46 <ilovegizmos> well i did what http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa700755.aspx said

18:46 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kQ5> (at msdn2.microsoft.com)

18:46 <ilovegizmos> i ran the sample app and it worked fine

18:47 <ilovegizmos> yep did that

18:47 <Ageless> brb

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18:47 <ilovegizmos> i changed all the directory stuff and built the sample win32 app, worked fine

18:48 <PovAddict> line 191, change LPSTR to LPCSTR, try rebuild

18:48 * PovAddict digs MSDN some more

18:48 <ilovegizmos> in stackwalker?

18:48 <PovAddict> yes

18:48 <PovAddict> BOOL CALLBACK SymEnumerateModulesProc(LPSTR /* ModuleName */, DWORD64 BaseOfDll, PVOID /* UserContext */)

18:50 <ilovegizmos> hooray!  seems good

18:51 <PovAddict> if everything else builds fine, I'll report the problem to the devs

18:51 <ilovegizmos> what's supposed to be the output of it?  where does it all go?

18:52 <PovAddict> I think you'd end up with a libboinc.lib that you then use for uc2

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18:53 <ilovegizmos> hmmm

18:53 <ilovegizmos> says that the build failed; several of the projects got the warning Command line warning D9035 : option 'Wp64' has been deprecated and will be removed in a future release

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18:56 <PovAddict> no errors?

18:56 <PovAddict> (that's just a warning)

18:56 <Ageless> and abck

18:56 <Ageless> back even

18:57 <ilovegizmos> not from libboinc

18:57 <PovAddict> then why did it fail? :\

18:58 <ilovegizmos> other parts of the solution had failures so overall boinc failed

18:58 <ilovegizmos> i was about to try uc2 since the libboinc path should be there now

18:58 <PovAddict> sounds fine

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18:59 <Ageless> hi Jack

18:59 <jackygrahamez_> hi

18:59 <xcamel> 'lo Jord

19:00 <Ageless> I took jack here on a tour to this nuthouse. treat him friendly please. ;)

19:00 <xcamel> seems PoV has found a partner in crime

19:00 <xcamel> welcome Jack

19:00 <PovAddict> :o?

19:00 <xcamel> programmerasms

19:01 <PovAddict> would you prefer if we talked about credits? :)

19:01 <PovAddict> (the channel would end up set on fire)

19:01 <ilovegizmos> should i run it as a 32?

19:01 <xcamel> sure, why not..

19:01 <PovAddict> xcamel: do you have any comments about the wiki?

19:02 <Ageless> yes, lets talk about credits.

19:02 <xcamel> at least programming gets you somewhere...

19:02 <PovAddict> indeed

19:02 <Romulus> BOOL CALLBACK SymEnumerateModulesProc(LPSTR /* ModuleName */, DWORD64 BaseOfDll, PVOID /* UserContext */)

19:02 <xcamel> talking about credits is like pi$$ing into a stiff wind

19:02 <KathrynM> hiya Jack!

19:03 <jackygrahamez_> Hi Kathryn

19:03 <xcamel> 'lo K

19:03 * PovAddict tries to recognize what Jack this is

19:03 <Ageless> an H2 Jack

19:03 <jackygrahamez_> The one who asks too much

19:04 <KathrynM> :D

19:04 <PovAddict> hydrogen@home?

19:04 <jackygrahamez_> indeed

19:04 <xcamel> from warshington?

19:04 <xcamel> as in "DC"

19:04 <Ageless> warshington?

19:04 <jackygrahamez_> percisley WARshington

19:04 <xcamel> bingo

19:05 <xcamel> lol - my Son just flew down there today..

19:05 <jackygrahamez_> but I'm a lover

19:05 <KathrynM> and one hell of a scrabble player :)

19:05 <Ageless> jack here managed to screw up the credits again on his project so if you crunch there, you lost some ;)

19:05 <jackygrahamez_> thanks Jord

19:05 <KathrynM> that's ok, we still love you Jack

19:05 <Ageless> lol, used to it.

19:06 <xcamel> haven't really looked at H@home

19:06 <xcamel> tritium might come in handy though

19:06 <jackygrahamez_> Not much to look at really, still developing scientific methods, learning things

19:06 <PovAddict> KathrynM: you mean "kicks my a$$ at scrabble"?

19:06 <KathrynM> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

19:07 <PovAddict> okay okay

19:07 <PovAddict> leave it at that

19:07 <KathrynM> not as bad as one of my coworkers

19:07 <PovAddict> lol

19:07 <KathrynM> she beat me something like 420 to 190

19:07 <KathrynM> she put one letter down and got like 50 points ;/

19:07 <jackygrahamez_> sometimes you get screwed if you have bad letters

19:07 <PovAddict> forming the word "pwned"

19:07 <xcamel> I still can't believe no one has started a realtime weather analysis project yet...

19:07 <KathrynM> yeah, that's my excuse

19:08 <ilovegizmos> well uc2 didn't build now; i got fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '.\build\win32\debug\libboincapi.lib'

19:08 <efc> Well, we're already paying for one, might as well use it..

19:08 <PovAddict> libboincapi.lib != libboinc.lib; I think you need both

19:09 <ilovegizmos> why wouldn't they both be there? libboinc worked

19:10 <PovAddict> maybe that's the project that failed?

19:10 <efc> or a nuke modeling project called Tehran@Home

19:11 <Ageless> the meteo office can't even predict the weather correctly with all their super computers. So why would a BOINC project be able to do it?

19:12 <xcamel> not so much prediction, but sever weather analysis

19:12 <Ageless> Tornado@Home?

19:12 <xcamel> something like that..

19:12 <Ageless> that's then analyzing after the fact.

19:13 <efc> 16 hours BOINC comes back saying "Hey it rained!"

19:13 <PovAddict> weather rocks are faster...

19:13 <jackygrahamez_> anyone talking about this API for parallel workunits?

19:13 <Ageless> as even with the doppler radar they can't predict where it touches down. Or so the prohrams on NGC and DC say ;

19:13 <efc> Thats 3/4 of what the nightly weather report is. Telling me in great detail what happened and what is happening. I already know that!

19:14 <Ageless> like I said yesterday, go out more. If you get wet, it rains. do'h

19:14 <ilovegizmos> libboincapi got the error fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'GL/glaux.h': No such file or directory

19:15 <ilovegizmos> what's this glaux.h thing?

19:15 <PovAddict> ugh it should really work without it...

19:15 * efc still wants a Lightning Detector (and I don't mean my new electronics)

19:15 <PovAddict> it's OpenGL

19:15 <ilovegizmos> yea i figured

19:15 <PovAddict> &bticket #583

19:15 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/#583

19:15 <Didactylos> The auxiliary library, to be precise.

19:15 <PovAddict> er

19:15 <PovAddict> &bticket 583

19:15 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/583

19:15 <PovAddict> that's the link...

19:15 <Didactylos> Nobody should be using it - it contains useful things like cubes and teapots.

19:16 <ilovegizmos> html404

19:16 <PovAddict> Didactylos: API on Unix lets you build with no gfx support at all

19:16 <Ageless> doesn't the boinc screen saver use a cube?

19:16 <PovAddict> no such thing on Windows? always requires OpenGL development libs?

19:17 <PovAddict> Ageless: anyone can do a cube without needing glaux

19:17 <Didactylos> Ageless: cubes can be done without a whole library ;-)

19:17 <Ageless> ok ok

19:17 <KathrynM> lol

19:17 <ilovegizmos> where does the .rar need to be?

19:17 <Ageless> I'll go hang back

19:17 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: it says so...

19:17 <PovAddict> *extract* it in blah blah...

19:17 <Didactylos> I'm still looking at errors.

19:18 <Didactylos> Why can I find so few well documented errors?

19:18 <Didactylos> Ageless: the FAQ Service rules.

19:18 <PovAddict> Didactylos: just a thought: with a proper message protocol allowing translations and such, it should be possible to add help

19:18 <PovAddict> right click a message, click help, get to the right wiki page

19:18 <Ageless> is that sarcastic, or true?

19:19 <PovAddict> message looked up by ID

19:19 <Didactylos> Kind of like VS, you mean?

19:19 * PovAddict has never used Visual Studio...

19:19 <Didactylos> Ageless: true. It may not be complete, but it has some of the best documentation for the stuff it covers.

19:19 <PovAddict> ok I used express for an hour and couldn't manage to get anything to compile so I got rid of it

19:19 * Ageless blushes

19:20 <KathrynM> I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't get VS

19:20 <Didactylos> May I steal stuff for the official wiki?

19:20 <Ageless> I build Boinc 6.66.1 specially for Pirates... by cheating ;)

19:20 <PovAddict> what the FAQ Service lacks is an explicit note on what you're allowed to do with the content

19:20 <PovAddict> ie. a license

19:21 <Ageless> I already notified Neil on that, but he's in the middle of moving... so may take a while.

19:23 <Ageless> David, http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/about.php?language=1

19:23 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kQP> (at boincfaq.mundayweb.com)

19:23 <Ageless> so you need me... ;)

19:24 <Ageless> or need to ask me.

19:25 <Didactylos> I just did. :-)

19:25 <Ageless> Um... let me think.

19:25 <Rookie_69> EFC: https://secure.scientificsales.com/Details.cfm?ProdID=48 Just don't hold it too close to the lightning bolt.

19:25 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kQR> (at secure.scientificsales.com)

19:26 <Didactylos> I don't think there will be much I want to take - a FAQ and reference are very different things.

19:26 <Ageless> you can use stuff for the official wiki.

19:26 <xcamel> when that thing goes off... jump in a ditch.

19:26 <Didactylos> Thanks, Ageless

19:26 <xcamel> an old AM radio works better..

19:27 <Ageless> I still like to document application errors further, but that is difficult when you don't hear back from the project admins.

19:27 <xcamel> einstein result on APOD

19:27 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080330.html

19:27 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 March 30 - Weak Lensing Distorts the Universe (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

19:27 <Ageless> or they just plain don't know either... also happens

19:28 <efc> Just detecting the strike is pretty easily - getting direction, and interpreting the data, not as easy

19:28 <PovAddict> Ageless: I don't know :)

19:28 <PovAddict> I pass the error code as povray returns it; and I have had cases where the workunit actually fails but the error is 0, so it's not marked as computation error :\

19:29 <PovAddict> syntax error on input file not causing a "success" error code? wtf

19:29 <Ageless> not talking about task errors so much, but more those fun things as exit code 1, exit code 3 etc. the low ones.

19:30 <Ageless> and one project's exit code 3 is caused by something completely different than the same error on the next project

19:30 <PovAddict> yeah that's what I mean; I think POV-Ray is supposed to give 0 on success, 1 on error, 2 on user abort (not really possible if running on BOINC)

19:31 <PovAddict> yet many times I got 0 but there was a parse error on startup!

19:31 <efc> &weather 30625

19:31 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 46F / 8C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of drizzle and rain. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 15 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain and drizzle in the morning...then a slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in (1 more message)

19:32 <wdsmia> &more efc

19:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: the lower 60s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

19:32 <ilovegizmos> ok uc2 finally worked after i added that openGL thing; where does uc2 put the output file?

19:32 <xcamel> http://www.boltek.com/

19:32 <Romulus> Title: BOLTEK Lightning Detectors (at www.boltek.com)

19:32 <efc> I see both my barometer and whatever measures humidity are totally broken

19:32 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: see its code?

19:33 <PovAddict> or do you mean where the executable went?

19:33 <ilovegizmos> the .exe

19:33 <xcamel> http://www.aninoquisi.com/

19:33 <Romulus> Title: Aninoquisi (at www.aninoquisi.com)

19:34 <jackygrahamez_> Does anyone have experience with java applets?

19:34 <Romulus> DA finally added Pov's opaque patch to make fixed credits

19:35 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: with making them? no

19:36 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: but many people say applets are bad, and you should use java web start instead

19:37 <jackygrahamez_> Let me elaborate, I have JMOL on my project site so people can view the results of our workunits, I have it so they run JMOL and then open the sample_results, is there a way I can add JMOL to the MIME file?

19:38 <PovAddict> I don't understand what you mean

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19:39 <efc> Time to bake some cookies

19:40 <KathrynM> send some here

19:40 <jackygrahamez_> There is a configuration file for apache called mime.types and you can modify it to make certain applications open certain file types, I just modified it to open all PDB files as plain text, can I force it to open pdb using JMOL

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19:40 <efc> Oatmeal-chocolate chip :)

19:40 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: no, mime types is not to make certain applications open certain file types

19:40 <PovAddict> it is to make certain file extensions get sent with a certain mime type

19:40 <PovAddict> the mime type -> application mapping is on the user's computer

19:40 <PovAddict> (the registry, on Windows)

19:41 <jackygrahamez_> I see

19:42 <jackygrahamez_> So they would need a registry mapping for JMOL on their end

19:42 <PovAddict> if the idea is having it open inside the browser, they would need a browser plugin

19:43 <jackygrahamez_> good enough

19:45 <ilovegizmos> is the name of the .exe i'm supposed to get uc2_5.10_windows_intelx86?

19:45 <Ageless> if I am not mistaken, Jack, the jmol picture on the PAH site I gave you the link to first wouldn't show either. It only showed as a download plugin option.

19:45 <PovAddict> yes ilovegizmos

19:45 <ilovegizmos> alright ty

19:45 <ilovegizmos> is that all i need for client distribution or do i need the files that are in the same folder with it?

19:46 <jackygrahamez_> I was only trying to make it easier for a user trying to open a result, make it fewer steps, but I'll just leave it alone for now

19:46 <PovAddict> that should be all, plus input file and the configuration for user creation

19:46 <PovAddict> err

19:46 <PovAddict> work creation

19:46 <Romulus> well the whole file then?

19:47 <ilovegizmos> what are the names for those?

19:47 <PovAddict> go read the documentation about work generation :)

19:47 <ilovegizmos> ah so

19:47 <ilovegizmos> yay reading

19:48 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: ah you *are* using java web start already, for JMOL

19:48 <jackygrahamez_> Yeah, not so savvy navigating the world of Java terminology

19:50 <PovAddict> wow that program is *fast*

19:51 <PovAddict> definitely using Java3D or something like that, hardware-accelerated

19:54 <jackygrahamez_> they got a bunch of similar plugins on RCSB.ORG but they are real slow

19:54 <jackygrahamez_> slow loading that is

19:56 <PovAddict> there were two pdbs on your sample results

19:56 <PovAddict> now only one

19:56 <jackygrahamez_> I had to modify the result template and assimilator to process the correct output, there may be some files in that directory you cannot view

19:56 <jackygrahamez_> I deleted the ones that you cannot view

19:57 <jackygrahamez_> My workunits generate several result files, but I only have it assimilating one currently

19:58 <jackygrahamez_> Just restored my system from a snapshot

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19:59 <jackygrahamez_> I'll have to clean up that directory as more results come in through the queue

20:03 <xcamel> peroxide@home - figuring out why blonds have more fun....

20:05 <KathrynM> off to the rug rat factory.

20:05 <KathrynM> happy Monday all

20:05 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:07 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/jmol/

20:07 <Romulus> Title: Testing JMOL (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

20:07 <Ageless> I see the rabble at WCG is having fun transfering from UD to BOINC. BOINC sux... why does this remind me of Seti? ;)

20:07 <PovAddict> gee wonder why

20:08 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: will load slow as hell

20:08 <PovAddict> but that's my fault for running a webserver on my home machine with 128kbps upload speed

20:11 <Ageless> and everybody ready? Predictor is about to run work again.

20:12 <xcamel> anything from LHC?

20:12 <Ageless> I got work from LHC

20:12 <xcamel> I got some re-issues

20:13 <PovAddict> I'm doing POEM

20:13 <PovAddict> when does the poemathon end?

20:14 <Ageless> I'm wondering when my BOINC will go complain, I now have work of 15 of the 36 projects attached

20:15 <Ageless> ah more samples on H2 now

20:22 <xcamel> no linux app?

20:22 <xcamel> ah.. 5 to send, but it didn't.

20:23 <Ageless> it uses HR based on OS.

20:23 <Ageless> so if there's work for Windows at this moment at the top of the heap, you won't get any

20:23 <Ageless> you can always make your own work though

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20:28 <xcamel> well... off to do stuff..

20:30 <Ageless> give the llamas a cuddle, jay

20:30 * Ageless needs a keyboard on which the shift buttons actually work

20:31 <PovAddict> Ageless:

20:31 <PovAddict> &llama

20:31 <Romulus> It has been said that llama is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/llama, PovAddict

20:31 <Ageless> noooooo! not the llama song again

20:32 <Ageless> too much allowing of scripts in noscript

20:33 <Ageless> Predictor has work now. 17,918 to send

20:33 <Ageless> and cos everyone left there anyway... lol

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20:34 <Ageless> specially for Nick, you do need to detach/reattach as their URL changed

20:36 <PovAddict> I haven't been attached for ages

20:37 <Ageless> just singling you out as you always hate it when URLs change. ;)

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20:38 <PovAddict> Predictor doing something wrong, it doesn't surprise me

20:38 <Ageless> but in this case they needed to as they changed universities.

20:41 <CoderForLife> re-hi and good night

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20:46 <Ageless> I'm off to bed people. night night

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21:11 <Didactylos> "At last! Done! Now lets upload this bad puppy!"

21:11 <Didactylos> Paul has a unique style.

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21:38 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

21:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.9F / 7.7C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 9.2mph / 14.8km/h ; Tonight - Scattered showers in the evening. Thunderstorms likely late in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 40s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.; Monday - Showers (2 more messages)

21:38 <wdsmia> &more

21:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. High in the mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the evening...then a slight chance of snow after midnight. Colder. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

21:38 <wdsmia> &more

21:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 50 percent.;

21:51 <PovAddict> Didactylos: where was that from? o_o

21:51 <Didactylos> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/index.php?title=Result_'(result)'_exited_with_zero_status_but_no_'finished'_file

21:52 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kS6> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

21:52 <PovAddict> damn, mirc doesn't make the whole thing clickable

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21:55 <PovAddict> Didactylos: http://v6.boinc-wiki.info/GUI_RPC_Protocol this is my very first shot at it...

21:55 <Romulus> Title: GUI RPC Protocol - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at v6.boinc-wiki.info)

21:55 <PovAddict> I don't like the way it's written, sounds like a tutorial and maybe it should be like a spec

21:57 <MTughan> What does nonce stand for anyway?

21:57 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce

21:57 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kS:> (at en.wikipedia.org)

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22:03 <Didactylos> Isn't that the kind of dev stuff that should *definitely* be on the OBW?

22:03 <MTughan> Also, the wiki page you showed has the second paragraph in the intro truncated.

22:04 <MTughan> Didactylos: Yeah, but no one's bothered to document it as it was developed.

22:04 <PovAddict> Didactylos: better in the UBW than in my hard disk

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22:11 <Didactylos> It's good. Put it in Trac.

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22:37 <PovAddict> ticket query didn't match anything

22:37 <PovAddict> are there crashing bugs in Trac?

22:38 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDLs-a9WDZ0

22:38 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Hungry Cow (at www.youtube.com)

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22:39 <Didactylos> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Ecrash&order=priority

22:39 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kT1> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:39 <Didactylos> Don't know why it doesn't work.

22:39 <PovAddict> hrm

22:40 <PovAddict> ReportBugs needs work

22:40 <PovAddict> not a single mention of Trac!

22:40 <PovAddict> says bugs should be reported on boinc_alpha

22:41 <PovAddict> added to WikiTodo

22:42 <PovAddict> and tagged

22:42 <Didactylos> Ah, that's it.

22:43 <Didactylos> the query uses ~= and the URL uses =~

22:43 <Didactylos> Subtle.

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22:48 * Tank_Master is listening to:

22:48 <Tank_Master> Current title: Dave Flitcroft - 3 Hour Mix

22:49 <PovAddict> easy way to put something on my forum signature on all projects, without having to go one by one...

22:49 <PovAddict> modify the image :)

22:49 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/b-sig.php?debug=yes

22:49 <Romulus> <http://ln-s.net/1kT:> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

22:52 <MTughan> Dude... I made Java segfault!

22:52 <PovAddict> congrats?

22:52 <MTughan> Not really... Now I gotta figure out what does it.

22:52 <MTughan> java(89551,0xa06a3fa0) malloc: *** error for object 0x1e9ae0: double free

22:52 <MTughan> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

22:52 <MTughan> Invalid memory access of location cd6dfe28 eip=001328f9

22:53 <MTughan> Segmentation fault

22:53 <Romulus> it's a math major huh

22:54 <MTughan> Whoa, and it works now?

23:05 <MTughan> Wow...

23:05 <MTughan> java(89698,0xa06a3fa0) malloc: *** error for object 0x144200: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed.

23:05 <MTughan> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

23:05 <MTughan> java(89698,0xa06a3fa0) malloc: *** error for object 0x144200: double free

23:05 <MTughan> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

23:05 <MTughan> java(89698,0x8a9200) malloc: *** error for object 0x1d807310: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed.

23:05 <MTughan> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

23:05 <MTughan> java(89698,0xa06a3fa0) malloc: *** error for object 0x1edff0: double free

23:05 <MTughan> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug

23:05 <MTughan> Guess I didn't need to paste all that, but Java isn't as secure as it may sound.

23:05 <Tank_Master> java is crap

23:06 <PovAddict> what about .net

23:06 <Tank_Master> better crap

23:06 <MTughan> Well, I've never had issues with Java's GC before.

23:08 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:03:33)

23:08 <Tank_Master> crap

23:08 <Romulus> tweak it, break it, repair it, be there

23:08 * Tank_Master shapes up and sucks in his gut

23:08 <KathrynM> I love you too Tank_Master :0

23:09 <Tank_Master> :P

23:10 <Tank_Master> how was your weekend?

23:10 <KathrynM> I've had better

23:10 <KathrynM> I found out my mom has cancer

23:10 <Tank_Master> ahh

23:10 <Tank_Master> no good

23:10 <PovAddict> :|

23:10 <KathrynM> very early stage tho

23:11 <KathrynM> So doc is hopeful that taking her uterus and overies will get rid of it

23:11 <PovAddict> not like she needs those anymore, right?

23:11 <Tank_Master> oh.. not fun

23:11 <Tank_Master> LOL

23:11 <Tank_Master> gaa PovAddict

23:11 <KathrynM> 3 kids, not at all

23:11 <MTughan> Ovarian cancer then?

23:11 <KathrynM> plus she's over 60

23:12 <KathrynM> So unless the Angel Gabriel comes down.........

23:12 <Tank_Master> so thers not much action anyway

23:12 <PovAddict> yeah so like I said...

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23:12 <KathrynM> uternine cancer

23:12 <KathrynM> and my grandma had breast cancer a few years ago

23:12 <KathrynM> not real good for my future...

23:13 <Tank_Master> you get to look forward to both then

23:13 <PovAddict> or not

23:13 <PovAddict> KathrynM: well...

23:13 <KathrynM> well what? PovAddict

23:14 <PovAddict> by the time you get cancer (if you get it, hope not of course), hopefully your health-related BOINC crunching would have found an easy cure :)

23:14 <KathrynM> Think positive

23:15 <KathrynM> Maybe I should attach to rosie again

23:15 <PovAddict> isn't that positive?

23:15 <KathrynM> that is positive

23:15 <MTughan> On the contrary. We're talking about death.

23:16 <PovAddict> or better, if said easy cure is found much sooner so that your mom gets to use it

23:16 <PovAddict> "easy" meaning easier than taking organs out

23:17 <Tank_Master> its easy to take organs out

23:17 <Tank_Master> just hack away

23:17 <PovAddict> ugh...

23:17 <Tank_Master> :P

23:17 <PovAddict> speaking about taking things out...

23:17 <PovAddict> there's this tooth that... *shudder*

23:17 <Tank_Master> though making sure the cancer hanst spread is the hard part

23:18 <PovAddict> I had a tooth taken out a few yrs ago

23:19 * KathrynM shudders

23:19 <KathrynM> don't even talk to me about dentists

23:19 <PovAddict> most painful experience in my life so far (and no, I won't try breaking that record)

23:19 <Tank_Master> but you will

23:20 <PovAddict> shut the hell up

23:20 <Romulus> PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE BACK TO ALL SNOW FRIDAY NIGHT INTO SATURDAY...WHEN A ROUND OF HEAVIER SNOW WILL BE POSTPONED TO APRIL 10, 2008 AT 10 AM.***

23:20 <Tank_Master> sweet!

23:20 * Tank_Master likes Rommie now

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23:30 <MTughan> My IRC client was taking 180MB of RAM.

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23:42 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:42 * Tank_Master flops his gut back out and starts breathing again

23:50 <Soul_keeper> the seti enhanced website has been down for a few days ...

23:50 <Soul_keeper> did i miss something ?

23:51 <Soul_keeper> http://www.zadra.org/seti_enhanced/      is that website down ?

23:51 <Soul_keeper> lunatics.at  ?

23:51 <Tank_Master> yep

23:51 <PovAddict> &dns

23:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.

23:51 <Tank_Master> its dead

23:51 <PovAddict> &dns lunatics.at

23:52 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

23:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: 67.151.25.83

23:52 <PovAddict> wow it does work

23:52 <PovAddict> timed out here

23:52 <PovAddict> no wait...

23:52 <Tank_Master> :P

23:52 <PovAddict> that IP is xcamel's

23:52 <Tank_Master> nice

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