IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-03-31

00:00 <MTughan> &cad

00:00 <Romulus>

00:00 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:00 <Romulus>

00:04 <Soul_keeper> "i know i've been hard on you, but i just want you to know you are a failure, and i am better than you in every way"

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00:11 <Tank_Master> heh

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01:16 <Tidus> hello all

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01:32 <PovAddict> me: needs up-to-date-ness checking

01:32 <Romulus> Title: PrimeGrid FAQ - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at

01:32 <PovAddict> Rytis: everything in ubw needs up-to-date-ness checking

01:32 <PovAddict> me: I know, but could you check *that* one? :)

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01:34 <Tidus> how's it going PovAddict ?

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04:10 <Tank_Master_> .

04:10 <Tank_Master_> how can I join?

04:10 <Tank_Master_> stupid thing!

04:11 <Tank_Master_> I guess Ill just have to wait for it to time out

04:11 <desti> ?

04:11 <Tank_Master_> it kicked me twich now

04:12 <Tank_Master_> now it thinks my nick is in use when its not

04:14 <CoderForLife> morning

04:15 <Tank_Master_> night

04:15 <CoderForLife> ghost your nick, Tank_Master_

04:15 <Tank_Master_> how?

04:15 <Romulus> Rumor has it how is breakfast, Tank_Master_

04:15 <Tank_Master_> o.O?

04:16 <CoderForLife> like this:  /NickServ GHOST nickname YourPasswordHere

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04:17 <Tank_Master> thx

04:17 <CoderForLife> np

04:18 <Tank_Master> if I do it say as part of my login script, will that cause problems?

04:19 <CoderForLife> dunno

04:20 <CoderForLife> dang - they've found Matt Maupins remains -

04:20 <Romulus> Title: Remains of GI missing since '04 ID'd - Conflict in Iraq- (at

04:20 <Tank_Master> shouldnt hurt to try

04:20 <Tank_Master> who?

04:20 <Tank_Master> ahh

04:20 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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04:22 <Tank_Master> no issues

04:22 <Tank_Master> just sais "-NickServ- You cannot GHOST yourself."

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04:23 <Tank_Master> .

04:23 <Tank_Master> huh

04:23 <Tank_Master> expected my nick to have been still here

04:24 <Tank_Master> oh welll, gn

04:24 <Tank_Master> n thx again

04:24 <CoderForLife> np

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04:29 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:41 <CoderForLife> b

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04:59 <CoderForLife> "plink"

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05:05 <CoderForLife> morning Tidus

05:05 <Tidus> mornin

05:06 <Tidus> how goes things where you are?

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05:23 <CoderForLife> things are "early"

05:24 <CoderForLife> now it's time to get ready for w@#%

05:24 <CoderForLife> cya later

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05:30 <Tidus> hooray

05:30 <Tidus> wb KathrynM

05:31 <KathrynM> evenin' Tidus

05:34 <Tidus> gah

05:34 <Tidus> stupid screen messed up

05:34 <Tidus> brb

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05:35 <Tidus> ok that's a bit better

05:37 <Tidus> still gotta fix this ugly 80x25 terminal ... vesafb i hate thee!

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06:21 <hawmps> 'lo

06:22 <Tidus> hwody

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06:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

06:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 43.3F / 6.3C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 11.0mph / 17.7km/h ; Today - Showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall in the morning. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall in the afternoon. High in the mid 50s. East wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest 10 (1 more message)

06:49 <wdsmia> &more

06:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 20 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A 50 percent chance of rain in the evening. Colder. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Colder. High in the lower 40s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

06:50 <Tidus> &wx 72764

06:50 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 65.7F / 18.7C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Occasional showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Showers and (1 more message)

06:50 <Tidus> &more

06:50 <Romulus> Tidus: thunderstorms likely. Some thunderstorms may be severe. Lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph shifting to the north after midnight. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. North winds around 10 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Flash Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on April 01, 2008;

06:52 <hawmps> 'lo Doug

06:52 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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07:53 <CoderForLife> a remote hey, hawmps, wdsmia

07:54 <wdsmia> *lo Don

07:54 <wdsmia> getting ready to swim to work

07:56 <hawmps> hey

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09:34 <CoderForLife> I had to "slide" on into w@#% today - meeting with a civil engineer and my landscaper at 5:00

10:27 <Tank_Master> fun

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11:00 <hawmps> back and forth between sleet/ice/rain

11:01 <Tank_Master> fun stuff

11:01 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

11:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 35.8F / 2.1C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. A slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs around 50. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows around 30. (1 more message)

11:01 <Tank_Master> &more

11:01 <Romulus> Tank_Master: North wind 10 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 55. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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11:02 <PovAddict> the weather channel...

11:03 <Tank_Master> yep

11:03 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

11:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.4F / 14.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 9.2mph / 14.8km/h ; This Afternoon - Widespread showers. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening... then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after (1 more message)

11:04 <CoderForLife> &more

11:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight. Breezy with lows in the mid 50s. South winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tuesday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

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12:21 <CoderForLife> a little rough connectivity on the home front, hawmps

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12:50 <hawmps> more likely my RDT connection spiked it.

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13:05 <CoderForLife> ah

13:05 <CoderForLife> how's your "record BSG" plan coming along?

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13:05 <CoderForLife> our media server machine is up and running, waiting to vid capture card to be delivered tomorrow

13:07 * CoderForLife wonders exactly why he sits at w@#%, and uses home machine

13:07 * CoderForLife then realizes that IM/chat/IRC is not allowed

13:09 <CoderForLife> hmm LHC error: 3/31/2008 12:49:25 PM|lhcathome|[error] No start tag in scheduler reply

13:10 <PovAddict> probably someout-ish when contacting scheduler

13:10 <PovAddict> timeout*

13:10 <PovAddict> o_O

13:10 <PovAddict> or the CGI killed itself before being able to send a reply

13:10 <CoderForLife> some=time ??

13:10 <PovAddict> yeah, I wonder how I managed that typo

13:11 <CoderForLife> it happens to me, *SOMETIMES*

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13:11 <CoderForLife> btw _o/

13:11 <PovAddict> very punny

13:12 <CoderForLife> I love playing with the English language, it's my favorite toy

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13:20 <PovAddict> Didactylos: moving GUI RPC protocol into OBW

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13:24 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news Mar 31, 2008

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13:35 <Tank_Master> The BOINC client software is now available for Fedora 7 and higher from official repositories. To install it, just type yum install boinc-client boinc-manager as root. Thanks to Milos Jakubicek, with help from Eric Myers and Debarshi Ray.

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14:28 <_Danilo_> hi

14:34 <hawmps> 'lo Danilo

14:38 <_Danilo_> hello hawmps

14:38 <hawmps> or Buongiorno even

14:38 <_Danilo_> yes :)

14:39 <_Danilo_> in ytaly now are 20.38 PM

14:40 <hawmps> -giorno +sera

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14:40 <hawmps> :-)

14:40 <_Danilo_> :)

14:40 <nickuwo> n e one know what happens to a WU when the client detaches? can't find it on the wiki.

14:40 <Tank_Master> hey

14:40 <Tank_Master> it depends on the client and the server softeware

14:41 <nickuwo> does it get regenerated?

14:41 <hawmps> it goes to the intergalatic bitbucket.

14:41 <nickuwo> depends on?

14:41 <PovAddict> nickuwo: it eventually times out (doesn't meet deadline) and gets regenerated

14:41 <Tank_Master> if bother are recent, the client tells the server it is detaching and the server makes the WUs as "client detached"

14:41 <nickuwo> sweet

14:41 <hawmps> same thing...

14:41 <Tank_Master> else, it will just time out and be reissued

14:42 <nickuwo> hmm my deadlines are like a year from now ...

14:42 <PovAddict> eep

14:42 <Tank_Master> plenty of time to compleat it then

14:42 <Tank_Master> long time to wait for a reissue though

14:43 <hawmps> set immediate regenerate on client_detach detected..

14:43 <nickuwo> config.xml?

14:43 <PovAddict> I never noticed the client contacting the server on detach

14:44 <hawmps> it should...

14:44 <PovAddict> ** SIMAP has work **

14:44 <Tank_Master> crap

14:44 <hawmps> might be in the old wishlist...

14:44 <nickuwo> can't find that on wiki either

14:45 <PovAddict> there is a server-side result state called "client detached"

14:45 <PovAddict> but I don't know how that is notified

14:45 <nickuwo> I'm getting the client detached from my ops page, so yea

14:46 <nickuwo> actually I can see the WUs being regenerated

14:46 <nickuwo> so nm

14:46 <nickuwo> :) thx tho

14:46 <nickuwo> off to school then, peace!

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14:51 <hawmps> told ya...

14:52 <PovAddict>

14:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Elephant Painting (at

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15:06 <Tank_Master> <- higher quality sound and vid

15:06 <Romulus> <> (at

15:09 <PovAddict> looks the same to me

15:10 <PovAddict> 6.1.12 coming

15:12 <Tank_Master> sould should be better at least

15:12 <Tank_Master> whats new in 6.1.12?

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15:34 <PovAddict> .12 is out

15:34 <PovAddict> gotta wait for Rom's announcement to know what's new

15:36 <Tank_Master> k

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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

15:53 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

15:55 <xcamel> yuk-and-a-half day

15:56 <Tidus> that's about what it is here as well

15:56 <Tidus> wet and rainy

15:59 <xcamel> those storms will be here tomorrow - and supposedly bringing some bite with them.

16:00 <Tidus> they're not really biting all that hard here ... just a lot of rain

16:00 <Tidus> &wx 72764

16:00 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Occasional showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms (2 more messages)

16:00 <xcamel> Don has a couple nasty lines headed his way..

16:00 <Tidus> &more

16:00 <Romulus> Tidus: likely in the evening...then partly cloudy with chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds around 10 mph shifting to the north after midnight. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. North winds around 10 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tornado Watch for Washington County in effect until 4:00 (1 more message)

16:00 <Tidus> &more

16:00 <Romulus> Tidus: PM CDT on March 31, 2008; Flash Flood Watch for Washington County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on April 01, 2008;

16:01 <Tidus> &zipinfo 72764

16:01 <Romulus> Tidus: City: Springdale; State: AR; County: Washington; Area Code: 479; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 36.1771 (North); Longitude: 94.0897 (West)

16:01 <Tidus> that's where i'm at ... sorry bout the wx flood, this is almost my only way of getting info at the moment.

16:02 <xcamel> you are, or are about to get hammered...

16:04 <MichaelJE2> &wx 55420

16:04 <Romulus> MichaelJE2: Temperature: 33.3F / 0.7C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 18.0mph / 29.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Breezy...snow. Snow may be heavy at times. New snow accumulation around 3 inches. Highs around 35. Northeast winds 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Breezy. Snow in the evening...then snow likely after midnight. Snow accumulation of (1 more message)

16:05 <MichaelJE2> my spring break sucks

16:05 <wdsmia> asks MichaelJE2 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:05 <xcamel> right on your damned doorstep, Tidus.. time to take cover.

16:06 <xcamel> checking HD radar..

16:06 <xcamel> &zipinfo 55420

16:06 <Romulus> xcamel: City: Minneapolis; State: MN; County: Hennepin; Area Code: 952; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 44.8362 (North); Longitude: 93.2776 (West)

16:07 <xcamel> slow loading

16:07 <Tidus> it's all north of us

16:07 <Tidus> not by much tho =/

16:10 <xcamel> there are some big cells to your southwest - still waiting for the correct site to load..

16:10 <xcamel> so you're going to get .... something.....

16:12 <Tank_Master> sun?

16:12 <Romulus> Rumor has it sun is slowly climbimg higher each day, Tank_Master

16:13 <xcamel> tornadic cells just west of Ft Smith - they may die out some in the next hour or so..

16:13 <xcamel> java sucks in FC8

16:13 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:15 * wdsmia_w slaps xcamel with FC8/Java

16:16 <Didactylos> Stupid bot.

16:17 <Didactylos> Say after me: "hidden markov models are more fun than boring markov chains"

16:17 <PovAddict> &markov Say after

16:17 <Romulus> Say after me: "hidden markov models are more interesting but too much of a master either

16:17 <Didactylos> Oy.

16:18 <PovAddict> &markov Say after

16:18 <Romulus> Say after me: "hidden markov models are more reasons than that :)

16:18 * xcamel boots people who pick on the bot.

16:19 <wdsmia_w> rofl

16:19 <Didactylos> Huh. I'm used to bots that do their own kicking.

16:20 <Didactylos> And don't say dumb random stuff...

16:20 <xcamel> that can be arranged.

16:20 <PovAddict> op the bot and play russian roulette

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16:22 * Tank_Master thinks Romulus is nothing but a 2bit timing piece of technoligy

16:24 <Romulus> Thanks your your input, it has been properly ignored

16:26 <Tank_Master> LOL

16:27 <Tank_Master> thx xcamel

16:27 <Romulus> they do nothing and get much better now

16:31 <PovAddict>

16:31 <Romulus> <> (at

16:33 <Tank_Master> I dont know if they do nothing or not, but you sure do, Romulus.

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16:35 <PovAddict> Didactylos: in/on is my reason to hate English

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17:13 <xcamel> wow - stay the hell away from Rio D.

17:15 <xcamel> The Brazilian military opened three field hospitals on Monday in Rio de Janeiro to help prevent more deaths from a dengue fever epidemic that has overwhelmed public clinics. The outbreak has killed 54 people since January and infected more than 43,500 in Rio de Janeiro state, according to official figures.

17:15 <PovAddict> :O

17:18 <xcamel> dengue fever is nothing to mess with

17:19 <PovAddict> we get stuff on the radio with recommendations to avoid it

17:19 <PovAddict> (to avoid the mosquito reproduction that is; don't leave outside objects where water may accumulate, etc)

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17:19 <xcamel> all that..

17:20 * yoyo_RKN will not travel to Brazil in the next days

17:20 <xcamel> west nile virus made it here thanks to mosquitos and container ships

17:22 <xcamel> not bothering people much, but killing lots of birds and bats

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17:35 <Didactylos> I'm trying to rewrite the BOINC troubleshooting page so it isn't a random collection of issues.

17:35 <Didactylos> Anyone want to weigh in with advice?

17:36 <xcamel> I'm sure some will

17:37 <Didactylos> I'm thinking sub-pages for installer, network and startup problems.

17:38 <xcamel> linux installs seem to be a big hanup.

17:38 <xcamel> er hangup even

17:38 <xcamel> rpms are a really bad idea for such a simple install

17:39 <Didactylos> What's simple about it?

17:39 <xcamel> we're talking client here, not server.

17:39 <Didactylos> Anything that creates users and installs a daemon/service is distinctly non-trivial.

17:40 <xcamel> they've made a mountain out of a molehill is my point.

17:40 <Didactylos> BOINC's problem is that simpler installers just don't cut it.

17:40 <Didactylos> xcamel: So how do you think it should be?

17:40 <xcamel> download, exteact into it's own dir as user, and just run it.

17:41 <xcamel> er extract even.

17:41 <xcamel> it's no big deal.

17:41 <xcamel> why spread the files all over your box.

17:42 <Didactylos> Sorry, that Fails It.

17:42 <xcamel> fails what?

17:42 <Didactylos> BOINC is a service.

17:42 <xcamel> bot always

17:42 <xcamel> grrrr...

17:42 <xcamel> not allways..

17:42 <Didactylos> It needs to run in the background, and automatically start.

17:42 <Didactylos> Without this, users are lost - they don't know where to start.

17:42 <xcamel> boinc in an application, including boincmgr

17:43 <Didactylos> in?

17:43 <Romulus> why do they have a bunch of plugins

17:43 <Didactylos> Someone kill the bot?

17:43 <xcamel> hey.. I've been doing this since the first version of astropulse for linux... they've made a mess of it.

17:44 <xcamel> one dir, one user, started by run_manager.

17:44 <xcamel> simple as breathing.

17:44 <Didactylos> "Simple" has two meanings.

17:45 <xcamel> brain surgery is simple with the right instruction set.

17:45 <PovAddict> xcamel: "simple" doesn't mean "the way you have been doing it since the beginning"

17:45 <Didactylos> There is raw and unadorned, simple in fact, but not simple for "normal" users.

17:45 <PovAddict> the installer should set it to auto-start on boot, should create a new user for it to run in, etc

17:46 <xcamel> linux users are far smarter than you give them credit for

17:46 <Didactylos> Then there is the simplicity that comes with careful planning and a lot of work to hide the necessary complexity.

17:46 <Didactylos> xcamel: Don't be daft.

17:46 <PovAddict> xcamel: big generalization

17:46 <xcamel> that's a make-work-bull$hit idea.

17:46 <Didactylos> Linux users cover the entire spectrum of "smart".

17:47 <Didactylos> Please don't be elitist about this. There are dumb Linux users, too.

17:47 <DerMeister> xcamel: Just take a look at those ubuntu users... Quite a lot of them know close to nothing about linux...

17:47 <PovAddict> xcamel: I never used yum, but any package you install over apt ends up scattered in your system, and in the case of things like mysql or apache, automatically installed and added to autostart

17:47 <Didactylos> You know the irony here?

17:47 <xcamel> creating complexity does not enhance boinc

17:47 <PovAddict> where "scattered in your system" means "each file in the place it should be according to the package guidelines"

17:47 <Didactylos> The simplest, cleanest, best designed BOINC port I have seen is for FreeBSD.

17:48 <xcamel> my point is that it shouldn't be a package.

17:48 <PovAddict> it should

17:48 <PovAddict> don't like it, don't use the package

17:48 <xcamel> that is an elitist idea

17:48 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:48 <Didactylos> xcamel: BOINC is already complex.

17:48 <xcamel> so you contradict yourself

17:49 <Didactylos> The installer has to hide that complexity, not ignore it.

17:49 <Romulus> I am planning to use the File->Quit command.

17:49 <xcamel> really? then why can I run it with 8 files in one directory?

17:49 <PovAddict> xcamel: does it auto-start if your machine reboots?

17:49 <xcamel> after a simple extract

17:50 <xcamel> yes

17:50 <DerMeister> xcamel: you don't run boinc in a sandbox?

17:50 <PovAddict> did the simple extract do that?

17:50 <Didactylos> If you run it as root by accident, to what degree are you compromising your system?

17:50 <Didactylos> A clue: lots

17:50 <xcamel> clue: none.

17:50 <DerMeister> That's insane ^^

17:50 <Didactylos> How do you work that out, xcamel?

17:51 <xcamel> by knowing my system, and how best to have it configured.

17:51 <DerMeister> boinc shouldn't even run under the standard user account. It should have it's own user which has as less priviliges as possible. On any system, even on Windows...

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17:52 <xcamel> horsepucky.

17:52 <Didactylos> Oh, you're one of those people who think they have god-like skillz, and are invulnerable?

17:52 <Didactylos> Well, this conversation is over, isn't it?

17:52 <xcamel> not hardly

17:52 <PovAddict> xcamel: not everybody knows his system and how best to have it configured

17:52 * Tank_Master has god skills and is invunerable

17:53 <xcamel> I have helped hundreds of people get it installed over the last 6 or so years now - and no complaints.

17:53 <Didactylos> root, god - what is difference?

17:53 <PovAddict> xcamel: that's the point: if it was a package, they wouldn't need help

17:53 <Tank_Master> one id the root of al evil, the other isnt

17:53 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: god has as bad typing skills as you? :)

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17:53 <Didactylos> xcamel: likewise. It's amazing how few people can do it without help!

17:53 <xcamel> Didactylos is trying to base an argument on facts not in evidence..

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17:54 <Didactylos> What facts?

17:54 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: its not me, its the antiquated keyboard style input

17:54 <PovAddict> I bet there's more noobs asking for help in WCG forum than on this channel

17:54 <xcamel> running as root... where exactly did I ever say that?

17:54 * PovAddict curses English prepositions once more

17:54 <Didactylos> This is true.

17:55 <Didactylos> xcamel: I did, in my scenario: "If you run it as root by accident"

17:55 * xcamel notes WCG is a "special" version of boinc

17:55 <Didactylos> xcamel: not special at all. It just uses the branding features of BOINC.

17:55 <Tank_Master> requieres a "special" type of noob to try it

17:55 <xcamel> so creating an unlikely event to make your argument helps you?

17:56 <Tank_Master> always

17:56 <Romulus> I still get credit (on the front lawn?

17:56 <Tank_Master> LOL

17:56 <PovAddict> FreeLarry has done it

17:56 <PovAddict> and then he couldn't run it as user again because permissions were borked

17:56 <PovAddict> IIRC

17:56 <Didactylos> xcamel: if you base your security on what is likely and unlikely, you will only get pwnd every *other* week....

17:56 <Didactylos> :-D

17:56 <xcamel> I know what works for me, and many many others. Complexity is not helpful, or even useful.

17:57 * Tank_Master uses a complex password of password1

17:57 <xcamel> really? never happened here, and I have more systems on line that you can even imagine (most not involved with boinc)

17:58 <DerMeister> Well, I'm actually wondering why I'm running any boinc project on my system... From a security perspective boinc is a real nightmare

17:58 <Tank_Master> there are no known attackes on the BOINC platform to date

17:58 <xcamel> because of the complexity of the installer - they shot themselves right in the foot.

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17:59 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: here's a known attack: make a BOINC project with a malicious app, post URL on stats forums, and get a hundred users join within a week and get pwned

17:59 <Tank_Master> only knowen malware associated with BOINC is people creating a virus that install BOINC on internet computers and runs it in their account

17:59 <DerMeister> True... But one example: I'm not even running my own boinc project. However, I could have easily comprimiesed more than 1500 boxes, just by providing linux applications for primegrid...

17:59 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: that hasnt happened *yet*

17:59 <Tank_Master> not saying it cant

17:59 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: so what?

17:59 <xcamel> any system that does not run behind a hardware firewall and a software IDS is an instant target anyway.. boinc or not.

18:00 <Didactylos> DerMeister: use the feature preventing attaching to random projects?

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18:00 <PovAddict> xcamel: oh yeah tell my aunt that

18:00 <xcamel> tell your aunt what?

18:00 <PovAddict> to use a hardware firewall and software IDS

18:00 <Tank_Master> to use a hardware firewall

18:01 <Didactylos> xcamel: You remind me of my little brother. He has this odd belief that a firewall will protect him from anything, and further secuity isn't needed.

18:01 <xcamel> please name the number of times/cases where boinc has been hacked...

18:02 <DerMeister> if it gets hacked it is already too late...

18:02 <Didactylos> xcamel: nobody is collecting such statistics.

18:02 <xcamel> Didactylos those of you who think you know everything are beginning to pi$$ of those of us who do...

18:02 <DerMeister> lol

18:02 <Didactylos> You know everything?

18:02 <Didactylos> Sums it up, really.

18:03 * Tank_Master is omnipatent

18:03 <DerMeister> Indeed *g*

18:03 <xcamel> let me ask this.. what do you do for a living?

18:04 <Didactylos> I write code, and design software.

18:04 <Tank_Master> sit around eating pizza and play video games

18:04 * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master around a bit with a large trout

18:04 * Tank_Master slaps PovAddict around a bit with a large trout

18:04 <Didactylos> (With a little graphics on the side, because doing one thing all the time sends people insane)

18:04 * PovAddict had a larger trout

18:04 <xcamel> My day starts with about a a million $ worth of VM servers in a commercial enterprise.

18:04 * Tank_Master had a harder slap

18:05 <xcamel> keeping a $200 million company running 24/7

18:05 <Didactylos> How nice for you.

18:05 <Didactylos> This is relevant how?

18:05 <xcamel> and that's not even my main job.

18:05 <Tank_Master> its the big dick sindrome

18:06 <Didactylos> On the internet, everyone is hung like a horse.

18:06 <Tank_Master> true

18:06 <Tank_Master> :)

18:07 <xcamel> especially those who are invested in writing more code and complexity into everything.

18:07 <xcamel> and leaving more holes to be attacked behind every day.

18:07 <DerMeister> Well, just imagine what your job look like without those people ;)

18:08 <Didactylos> If you manage so many servers, you *must* be used to real ports that install files to all the normal places....

18:08 <Didactylos> Surely?

18:08 <xcamel> what's your point?

18:08 <Tank_Master> no, his script randomly puts files in randome loacations using randome ports

18:09 <Tank_Master> its more complex that way, and thus more secure

18:09 <Didactylos> How impressed would you be if you installed Apache, and discovered that it comes in a single directory, with all the configuration lumped together with the executables - and you have to start it manually?

18:09 <DerMeister> yeah... security by obscurity ^^

18:10 <DerMeister> Didactylos: I would say: "Welcome to the stone-age"... ;)

18:10 <Tank_Master> the best security you can have is to have nothing to steal

18:11 <xcamel> there is a time and a place for "standard" installs, and there are plenty of other options that make things nearly impossible for the "wrong people" to figure out.

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18:11 <Didactylos> BOINC doesn't deserve a standard install?

18:11 <xcamel> apache is a really bad example, by the way...

18:12 <Didactylos> ...because...?

18:13 <xcamel> there is about a hundred ways to install it, depending on the platform, and how large the scale is.

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18:13 <xcamel> boinc is simply a toy

18:14 <xcamel> a muse that people opt in and out of every day

18:14 <Didactylos> It will remain a toy if it can't be installed securely, with decent startup behaviour.

18:15 <Tank_Master> lol

18:15 <Tank_Master> hows it not secure?

18:15 <Tank_Master> I am defrntly not saying that it is

18:15 <xcamel> 10 files, one protected user, one dir, and a simple autostart script. How hard is that?

18:16 <PovAddict> xcamel: very for an average Ubuntu lemming

18:16 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: I meant sandboxing.

18:16 <xcamel> because you and the devs are making it hard...

18:16 <Tank_Master> windows install will have sandboxing in the 6.x release

18:16 <Didactylos> Indeed.

18:16 <Tank_Master> the max from my understanding already has it

18:17 <Tank_Master> mac*

18:17 <Didactylos> xcamel: necessary complexity. The secret of a good installer is to hide that complexity.

18:17 <Tank_Master> service install is the only option onf a windows install for 6.x

18:17 <xcamel> you already drank the koolaid and there is no going back from that.

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18:18 <Didactylos> Tank_Master:  Hopefully. We'll see how that one turns out.

18:18 <Tank_Master> also, with windows, there s adata directory and a program directoty

18:18 <PovAddict> xcamel: they are making it easier for the end user

18:18 <Tank_Master> to more align with the vista security mentality

18:18 <PovAddict> 10 files, one protected user, one dir, and a simple autostart script the user has to write himself and know where to put, versus "yum install boinc" and be done with it

18:19 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: you mean a belated attempt to meet program requirements that date back decades? ;-)

18:19 <PovAddict> which is the "hard" one?

18:19 <xcamel> easier to start maybe, but when they upgrade, or hit a major version change, all hell brakes loose

18:19 <xcamel> happens every time.

18:19 <PovAddict> well if yum sucks that's not my problem

18:19 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:20 <PovAddict> or boinc devs'

18:20 <xcamel> that's why so many are running idiotic 'packaged" versions of 5.8.x and even 5.4.x

18:21 <Tank_Master> dont know better

18:21 <Tank_Master> "set and forget"

18:21 <PovAddict> xcamel: people run the packaged 5.4.x because nobody bothered to upgrade the package

18:21 <Tank_Master> would be nice if there was some sort of auto update for BOINC

18:22 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: always suggested, never implemented.

18:22 <Tank_Master> I know

18:22 <Tank_Master> doesnt meen it wouldnt be nice ;)

18:22 <PovAddict> one possible reason for not upgrading the package, was that the package maintainers stumbled upon somebody saying "don't use packages! leave it on a single directory!"

18:24 <Didactylos> Port maintainers expect a tarball, not BOINC's odd self-extracting script.

18:24 <Didactylos> IFAIK, that is the biggest reason BOINC lacks port support.

18:25 <Didactylos> My favourite port is this:

18:25 <Romulus> Title: BOINC on FreeBSD (at

18:25 <xcamel> that "odd self-extracting script" gives the *nix user exactly what they need, nothing more, and it works just fine.

18:26 <PovAddict> Didactylos: what version is it?

18:26 <PovAddict> xcamel: *you* said they also need "one protected user [...] and a simple autostart script"

18:26 <Didactylos> PovAddict: it is updated regularly.

18:27 <Didactylos> I worked with Pav to fix a bug once, and I was impressed with the rapid response.

18:27 <KathrynM> Didactylos, I'd fit into the dumb linux user catgeory :)

18:27 <KathrynM> (sorry, catching up on what I missed)

18:28 <Didactylos> KathrynM: we *all* have our "dumb Linux user" days.

18:28 <xcamel> If you haven't learned how to do that in linux, you shouldn't be anywhere near it. go back to winduhs.

18:28 <Didactylos> How rude.

18:28 <Didactylos> ESR would kick you in the goolies.

18:29 <xcamel> sometimes the truth hurts. deal with it.

18:29 <Didactylos> Heck, so would Linus!

18:29 <PovAddict> question...

18:29 <xcamel> Linus Torvalds was the first one to say it.

18:30 <xcamel> about 10 years ago, and he still says it today.

18:30 * KathrynM is back (gone 09:08:30)

18:30 <KathrynM> My 20 won (I ain

18:30 <KathrynM> gah

18:30 <xcamel> 'lo KathrynM

18:30 <KathrynM> who put the  enter key there

18:30 <KathrynM> mornin'

18:30 <Tank_Master> KM!

18:30 <KathrynM> my 20 won...

18:31 <KathrynM> I started with Ubuntu and could have used the package manager.

18:31 <KathrynM> I changed to Fedora and now I could use yum.

18:31 <Didactylos> PovAddict: to answer your earlier question: boinc-client-5.10.32

18:31 <KathrynM> But I would have learned a lot less

18:31 <xcamel> Bingo, KathrynM

18:31 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I mailed him to add mention of boinc_cmd --lookup_account

18:31 <KathrynM> I know I"m not typical in that I wanted to learn

18:31 <xcamel> learning is the key to linux, not handholding.

18:32 <PovAddict> there's a problem with that logic, xcamel

18:32 <KathrynM> depends on what the hand holding is

18:32 <PovAddict> if the user doesn't want to learn, or thinks it's too hard

18:32 <KathrynM> another human to hold your hand and then let go when you're ready is invaluable

18:32 <KathrynM> short cuts, not so much

18:32 <xcamel> that's why mandrake nearly bought the big one, and Corel, for that matter.

18:32 <PovAddict> it's not him that loses, it's the projects (one less potential user)

18:33 <KathrynM> even tho there's now a package in fedora repos, I'll stick to my way.  I can upgrade when a new version comes out and not have to wait

18:33 <xcamel> exactly. and it's clean, simple, and yes... secure.

18:34 <KathrynM> my way = install to own user as a daemon

18:34 <KathrynM> but whatever

18:34 <KathrynM> I never seemed to get the berk way to work

18:35 <xcamel> or as secure as you're willing to spend the time and ask people how to 'harden' your system

18:35 <xcamel> which is much more valueable as it applies to the rest of what you do with your box..

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18:39 <xcamel> 'lo z

18:39 <zombie67> hi

18:39 <KathrynM> mornin' zombie67

18:39 <zombie67> hello

18:39 <zombie67> everyone grabbing SIMAP?

18:39 <PovAddict> looks like my client had deferred

18:39 <PovAddict> I got one SIMAP earlier

18:40 <PovAddict> now I get no work from project

18:42 <zombie67> they are releasing work in small batches.

18:42 <PovAddict> got three

18:43 <KathrynM> doing the new qmc

18:43 <Romulus> It's a fair bit of a credit. took many just to be in the "TV" definition :>

18:43 <PovAddict> Didactylos: omg

18:43 <zombie67> like doing the twist?

18:43 <PovAddict> Pav replied my message already

18:43 <Didactylos> Told you :-)

18:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: I had set POEM to NNW, and I was just about to get my queue empty

18:44 <PovAddict> so I allowed POEM to get work

18:44 <PovAddict> right *after* it filled my queue again, SIMAP got work...

18:44 <PovAddict> <.<

18:44 <KathrynM> PovAddict's law?

18:44 <KathrynM> correlary of Murphey's Law?

18:44 <KathrynM> (or however you spell that word)

18:44 <PovAddict> if I had got SIMAP work before, I wouldn't have enabled POEM again

18:45 <zombie67> delete the (now) superfluous POEM tasks

18:53 <xcamel> rain, wind, flood watches, thunder. Go figure

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18:59 <Didactylos> PovAddict: and Pav has updated the page, too.

18:59 <PovAddict> yep immediately after I got the mail

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19:07 <Didactylos> How does this read?

19:07 <Romulus> <> (at

19:07 <PovAddict> the "won't start" thing is weird

19:07 <PovAddict> a heading having only a link

19:08 <Romulus> yes for now, that was about a different one puts back in

19:08 <Didactylos> Going to add some stuff.

19:11 <PovAddict> agh stupid xslt

19:11 <PovAddict> look at the source

19:11 <Romulus> Title: Profile of Matt Lebofsky (at

19:12 <Didactylos> German translation help, please?

19:12 <Didactylos>

19:12 <Romulus> <> (at

19:12 <PovAddict> if I change the pattern in the way I think would work, I get only HTML tags and the *text* is removed

19:13 <PovAddict> got it!

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19:25 <PovAddict> anyone getting BOINC crashes communicating with LHC?

19:25 <PovAddict> looks like everybody else in the forum is

19:25 <xcamel> I got a strange server message..

19:25 <xcamel> let me try it again...

19:26 <xcamel> [error] no start tag in server reply

19:26 <xcamel> that's it.

19:26 <PovAddict> many people are getting a core client segfault instead :\

19:27 <xcamel> but boinc did not crash

19:27 <xcamel> still running fine.

19:27 <xcamel> lemme check the winbox

19:28 <xcamel> nope - no crash, same message tag.

19:29 <xcamel> must be the install method   :-/

19:29 <PovAddict>

19:29 <PovAddict>

19:29 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <PovAddict>

19:29 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <PovAddict> and a post from John McLeod on boinc_alpha

19:29 <PovAddict> all similar trouble: segfault when LHC tries to upload

19:31 <xcamel> ok.. I have no work in the queue

19:31 <PovAddict> actually, some people get the crash on a scheduler request as well

19:32 <xcamel> supercaml is touchy sometimes... lemme try that one.

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19:33 <xcamel> nope - no crash there either.

19:33 <Didactylos> All these problems and nothing in Trac.

19:33 * Didactylos is sad.

19:33 <CoderInTheLab788> &ping

19:33 <Romulus> pong

19:33 <Romulus> thats what u mean

19:33 <xcamel> Coder... from the Lab of Doom, and Cold Pizza

19:33 <CoderInTheLab788> test

19:33 <CoderInTheLab788> test

19:33 <CoderInTheLab788> &ping

19:33 <Romulus> pong

19:34 <PovAddict> Didactylos: we need more info on the cause

19:34 <CoderInTheLab788> cable modem is fraked

19:34 <xcamel> lightning?

19:34 <CoderInTheLab788> keeps recycling power

19:34 <xcamel> aliens?

19:34 <Romulus> Rumor has it aliens are disturbing our CPUs, xcamel

19:34 <CoderInTheLab788> realllllly sux

19:34 <CoderInTheLab788> holdubg for now

19:34 <xcamel> cable/911

19:35 <CoderInTheLab788> waiting on hold for 3rd level support

19:35 <CoderInTheLab788> 'reprovisioning'

19:35 <xcamel> yeah.. Dirk, in the white shirt and the bowtie\

19:35 <CoderInTheLab788> been on hold for 2-1/2 hours

19:35 <xcamel> sheesh..

19:36 <CoderInTheLab788> I don't ever have time for this

19:36 <CoderInTheLab788> esp tonight

19:36 <xcamel> PoV - I can't seem to make them crash..

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19:38 <CoderInTheLab788> well -it's golding for now

19:39 <CoderInTheLab788> tech said the modem has reset 269 times since the 29th

19:39 <xcamel> ouch

19:39 <KathrynM> eek

19:39 <xcamel> btw - you have some weather coming...

19:39 <CoderInTheLab788> service call scheduled for 3:30-6 on Fri the 4th

19:39 <xcamel> it might die out around midnight

19:39 <CoderInTheLab788> I've been blind all evening so far

19:40 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I got a stackdump with line numbers

19:40 <PovAddict> <- I put those addresses in addr2line after installing 5.10.28 x64

19:40 <Romulus> <> (at

19:40 <efc> Moo

19:41 <PovAddict>

19:41 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unnamed - post number 965405 (at

19:42 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

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19:46 <CoderForLife> here until the next reset

19:47 <CoderForLife> &ping

19:47 <Romulus> pong

19:47 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

19:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 59.6F / 15.3C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 10.4mph / 16.7km/h ; Tonight - A chance of showers this evening...then showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Some storms may produce damaging winds. Breezy with lows in the mid 50s. South winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph late. Chance of (1 more message)

19:47 <Romulus> how was their disaster recovery plans

19:47 <CoderForLife> hah

19:47 <CoderForLife> &more

19:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: rain 100 percent.; Tuesday - Showers and thunderstorms ending in the morning. Near steady temperatures in the upper 50s. West winds 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph in the morning. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Colder with lows in the lower 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph.;

19:48 <xcamel> hopefully those will calm down a bit

19:55 * efc monitors the lightning

19:56 <efc> There's a whole lot of something in the midwest..

19:57 <wdsmia> all east of me :)

19:58 <efc>

19:58 <xcamel> using strikestar?

19:58 <Romulus> Title: StrikeStarUS (at

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19:58 <efc> I'm sure Georgia could use another detector...

19:58 <xcamel> I think the NLDN has filed a suit against them...

19:59 <xcamel> NLDN used your millions in tax $$$ to create a closed network and charges everyone up the a$$ to use it

20:00 <efc> Sounds like the usual govt funded research

20:00 <xcamel> indeed

20:00 <efc> Not sure what claim they would have. Patent crap?

20:01 <efc> Triangulation isn't exactly "novel"

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20:02 <xcamel> loads of patents

20:03 <efc> Any idea how do the Bolteks get their direction? Amplitude lobing?

20:03 <xcamel> reception, detection, networking, analysis, aggregation of strike data, geocoding, etc.

20:04 <efc> I mean just as a standalone unit. If there's only one antenna, the options are pretty limited.

20:04 <xcamel> lobing and reflection differential

20:05 <efc> I'd guess they aren't accurate within 5 miles? Since the antennas aren't gneerally going to be pointed up

20:05 <xcamel> there is a direct correlation in the type of strike, distance, amplitude, duration, and frequency of the noise

20:06 <efc> They could give them some funky patterns I suppose, maybe a cardoid with the tip going up in elevation

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20:06 <efc> the other way you can do instant angle is through phase comparison, but I don't think that would work in this application.

20:09 <KathrynM> Off to see the ankle biters.  I can hear them singing already.

20:09 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:09 <xcamel> Mike Mears frme aninoquisi can fill you in on how the detector really works...

20:09 <xcamel> Have fun, K

20:10 * xcamel wonders if they're all singing the llama song...

20:10 * efc thinks they have 4 cheap AM radios in a box and pick the one that crackles the loudest

20:10 <KathrynM> not the llama song!

20:10 <KathrynM> please god no.  anything but that

20:10 <xcamel> hehehehe...

20:11 <xcamel> I'll email it to them to suprise you...

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20:11 * xcamel is evil...

20:12 <Tank_Master> its peanutbutter and jelly time!

20:16 <xcamel> that works..

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20:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

20:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38.1F / 3.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10.5mph / 16.9km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Patchy fog in the evening. Scattered rain showers early in the evening...then a slight chance of rain in the late evening and early morning. Colder. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times early in the evening. Low (1 more message)

20:25 <wdsmia> &more

20:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the lower 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Colder. High in the lower 40s. Northwest wind around 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the morning.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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20:29 <efc> aninoquisi seems to have their own network..

20:31 * PovAddict dinner ->

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20:33 <wdsmia> &ping

20:33 <Romulus> pong

20:35 <wdsmia> &ding

20:35 <Romulus> DONG!

20:35 <xcamel> checking

20:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

20:37 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

20:37 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia around a bit with a large trout

20:38 * Tank_Master runs

20:38 <wdsmia> run fast ;)

20:38 <Ageless> why? doesn't he like fish?

20:44 <_Danilo_> i have as soon as installed the new version of BOINC 6.1.12! now i go to sleep. good night to all :)

20:45 * efc remains in the stone age

20:46 <Ageless> BOINC 1.0?

20:47 <Ageless> anyone?

20:48 <Romulus> Title: The World Wide Web Exercise Page (at

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20:50 <efc> You run this Anasazi software X?

20:54 <jackygrahamez> exit

20:54 <jackygrahamez> hello

20:56 <jackygrahamez> hi

20:59 <Ageless> hijack

21:05 <Didactylos> Is the "AOL bug" still relevant? Was it fixed?

21:07 <Tank_Master> how can you fix AOL?

21:07 <Tank_Master> AOL IS the bug

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21:09 <Ageless> what AOL bug?

21:09 <xcamel> special for you programmerz... #boinc_dev is now an active channel

21:10 <Tank_Master> &seen poop

21:10 <Romulus> Tank_Master: I have not seen poop.

21:11 <xcamel> test

21:14 <Tank_Master> test was secessful

21:15 <wdsmia> no it wasnt :(

21:15 <efc> Test failure; Reactor 4 pressure critical high; please evacuate the facility.

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21:18 <Tank_Master> Reactor 4 chamber pressur critical! Please open release valve located on the top of the reactor.

21:18 <Didactylos> Ageless:

21:18 <Romulus> <> (at

21:21 <xcamel> &relay join #boinc_dev

21:21 <Romulus> xcamel: The operation succeeded.

21:27 <Ageless> David, no idea

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21:42 <wdsmia> &ding

21:42 <Romulus> DONG!

21:42 <wdsmia> test2

21:44 <PovAddict> .

21:47 <efc> "<efc> My movie might notsound like much. But when I cast it with the cheapest bimbos and the most air-headed jocks, all Hollywood will quake in its $2000 jimi-choo shoes!"

21:52 <xcamel> ip kill >>

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23:05 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:56:21)

23:07 <Tank_Master> wb

23:07 <KathrynM> lunch time

23:08 <Tank_Master> how's lunch?

23:08 <KathrynM> good

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23:16 <zombie67> error messages from pirates:  Primates@Home....

23:16 <PovAddict> o_o

23:18 <zombie67> Mon Mar 31 20:16:32 2008|Primates@Home|You used the wrong URL for this project

23:18 <zombie67> Mon Mar 31 20:16:32 2008|Primates@Home|The correct URL is

23:18 <PovAddict> what the...

23:20 <zombie67> what is the date tomorrow....?

23:20 <PovAddict> heh

23:20 <KathrynM> :D

23:20 <wdsmia> wont matter to Pov he's a fool year around :P

23:21 <KathrynM> all the foreign teachers thought of handing in resignation letters today but decided tht might piss the boss off

23:21 <PovAddict> aww thanks

23:21 <wdsmia> j/k :)

23:31 <MTughan> PovAddict: You wanted me?

23:31 <PovAddict> way long ago

23:31 <MTughan> 3 hours ago. Not that long ago. :P

23:32 <PovAddict> I needed XSLT help and you're the only one I know who has used it :)

23:32 <MTughan> Now that's long ago.

23:32 <MTughan> Haven't done XSLT for 2+ years.

23:33 <KathrynM> I'm outta here.

23:33 <KathrynM> laterz

23:33 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:33 <MTughan> Bye.

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23:35 <PovAddict> I was experimenting with the format for the web RPC to get a profile

23:35 <MTughan> Ah, okay.

23:35 <PovAddict> ...and made a XSLT stylesheet to convert it back to HTML :)

23:35 <MTughan> I'd just do a DTD. Even W3C still uses a DTD.

23:35 <MTughan> Oh, right... Not Schema.

23:35 <PovAddict>

23:37 <PovAddict> what I couldn't get working right was relative URLs in <image>

23:37 <PovAddict> there is resolve-uri and base-uri functions, none worked in Firefox, nor on PHP's XsltProcessor

23:37 <MTughan> Not implemented?

23:38 <PovAddict> either that, or I'm Using Them Wrong

23:39 <PovAddict> although the message is "unknown function" and such

23:40 <Romulus> cluster = not volunteer?

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23:50 <Didactylos> PovAddict: are you using version="2.0"?

23:50 <Didactylos> AFAIK those functions are new in XPath 2.

23:52 * Didactylos looks at your source.

23:52 <Didactylos> Yup, that's the problem.

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23:54 <MTughan> Anyway, I need to be off to bed. Badminton tournament tomorrow.

23:54 <MTughan> PovIpod: Apparently, the functions are in XPath 2, which you aren't specifying.

23:54 <PovIpod> ah crap

23:55 <PovIpod> firefox doesn't do 2.0

23:55 <MTughan> Didactylos has the details.

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