IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-04-06

00:00 <efc> Laser Cats !

00:02 <efc> d00m: I had done some of that. I bought nTrack for it, but now I might try to use Audacity instead.

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00:03 <d00m1001> Eh

00:03 <d00m1001> Audacity is good

00:03 <d00m1001> but, just for fooling around :P

00:03 <d00m1001> I have an actual digital recorder.

00:03 <d00m1001> 56 Track

00:04 <PovAddict> hardware?

00:04 <d00m1001> For the recorder?

00:04 <d00m1001> Geeze, I don't know.

00:04 <d00m1001> It's got a CD burner.

00:04 <PovAddict> I mean is it hardware?

00:04 <d00m1001> Oh, yeah.

00:04 <d00m1001> Kind of heavy.

00:09 <CoderForLife> back to Z-land

00:09 <CoderForLife> gn

00:09 <Romulus> They are picking on me!

00:10 <CoderForLife> justifiably so

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00:51 <PovIpod_> &ping

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00:51 <Romulus> pong

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00:52 <PovIpod> &ping

00:52 <Romulus> pong

00:52 <KathrynM> PovIpod, is growning tails

00:52 <PovIpod> iPod is losing wifi

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02:15 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

02:15 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 56.1F / 13.4C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming mostly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Patchy drizzle after midnight. Lows 44 to 53. Light winds.; Sunday - Cloudy in the morning...becoming partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. (1 more message)

02:15 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 56.1 f to c

02:15 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: f is not a valid unit.

02:16 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 56.1 Fahrenheit to c

02:16 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: c is not a valid unit.

02:16 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 56.1 Fahrenheit to C

02:16 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 13.3888888889

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02:50 <Tank_Master> &math convert 56.1 F to C

02:50 <Tank_Master> &math convert 56.1 F to C

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 13.3888888889

02:51 <efc> hmm, need a good way to calculate 64k roots of unity..

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03:03 <efc> How did I manage to do nothing today

03:03 <Romulus> knows nothing about linux...

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03:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany

03:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.53in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 9:20 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Overcast. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F. / -1 (1 more message)

03:29 <Tank_Master> hummm

03:29 <Tank_Master> yoyo's here

03:29 <Tank_Master> I should go to bed

03:29 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

03:29 <Tank_Master> ;)

03:29 <yoyo[RKN]> its late, go

03:30 <Tank_Master> soon

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03:30 <Tank_Master> what does "Handelsabkommen anbieten" mean?

03:31 <yoyo[RKN]> where did you read it

03:31 <Tank_Master> Im playing a game, and not all fo it is in english, some is still in german

03:31 <Tank_Master> Im hopeing its simething like "trade agreament"

03:31 <yoyo[RKN]> its a trade agreement

03:31 <Tank_Master> ahh

03:31 <Tank_Master> good

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03:32 <Tank_Master> thx

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05:04 * CoderForLife sniffs the air, tentatively

05:04 <CoderForLife> hmm, oxygen content seems about right

05:05 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37.9F / 3.3C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast late this morning and afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in (1 more message)

05:05 <CoderForLife> &more

05:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:06 <CoderForLife> weather forecast seems benign - delightful even

05:06 <CoderForLife> I guess it's safe to get up

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05:12 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:25 <CoderForLife> back

05:26 * CoderForLife wonders why KathrynM is suspiciously quiet

05:26 <CoderForLife> plotting world conquest, perhaps?

05:29 * KathrynM is strung out on ativan

05:30 <CoderForLife> that's no way to conqueror a world...

05:30 <CoderForLife> er however-you-spell-it

05:31 <KathrynM> lol

05:31 * CoderForLife is hung over from the unexpected w@#% day yesterday

05:33 <CoderForLife> I see Charlton Heston passed away

05:43 <CoderForLife> brb

05:52 <Excelsior> CoderForLife: stop using KDE :)

05:53 * KathrynM <3 KDE

05:53 <Excelsior> what ?

05:53 <CoderForLife> hmm?

05:54 <CoderForLife> KDE?

05:54 <KathrynM> gnome is a pain

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05:54 <Excelsior> <CoderForLife> that's no way to conqueror <--- konqueror -> kde

05:55 <CoderForLife> ... that was a stretch... =)

05:55 <Excelsior> KathrynM: I like Gnome, I won't say it's better than KDE, but fits me

05:56 <CoderForLife> I rarely use a GUI in Linux

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05:56 <KathrynM> you are a better Coder than I

06:02 <CoderForLife> I grew up in the command line days

06:02 <CoderForLife> and never grew up from there

06:03 <CoderForLife> I'm an Algorithms and Data Structures guy

06:13 <Excelsior> I grew up with dos 6.2 and windows 3.1

06:13 <Excelsior> but next I got windows 98

06:14 <Excelsior> I was to Gates for a long time

06:14 <Excelsior> but now, since a year I said "hell with Gates" and I don't uses windows anymore :)

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06:21 <CoderForLife> unfortunately, if you're writing software for sale, it's tough to ignore the Windows market

06:22 <desti> no

06:23 <CoderForLife> no?

06:23 <Romulus> I guess no is I supposed to, CoderForLife

06:24 <CoderForLife> If I'm writing a program that helps companies manage their Windows environment, how do I not write it to support Windows?

06:25 <CoderForLife> I don't have the luxury of only doing Linux - it's a heterogenous world

06:34 <CoderForLife> if you can work and associate in a Linux-only, Windows-only, Mac-only, mainframe-only, etc environment, your world is simpler than mine - more power to you - I live in a dirty, complex place

06:34 <CoderForLife> and that's where I try to provide value

06:34 * CoderForLife jumps down off the soap box

06:36 <desti> write os independend

06:36 <CoderForLife> now, off to the store, which I didn't get to because of the team at work needed me to help figure out why IE wasn't displaying PDFs

06:36 <CoderForLife> I do, desti - but I have to make it run under Windows - I can't ignore it

06:37 <CoderForLife> no such luck

06:38 <CoderForLife> well, off to the store - beam me up, Scotty

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07:50 <Excelsi0r> Grmbl BOINC works in mysterious ways :-/

07:52 <Excelsi0r> It makes works any projects but the one I want

08:02 <xcamel> 'lo

08:03 <Excelsi0r> hi

08:11 <xcamel> looks like it won't be quite as nice as they said it would be..

08:12 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:12 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 36.9F / 2.7C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. East winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. East winds 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)

08:12 <xcamel> &more

08:12 <Romulus> xcamel: Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

08:14 <xcamel> Charlton Heston dies

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08:18 <xcamel> BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. Legendary actor, civil-rights leader and political activist Charlton Heston passed away today, at 84. He died at his home with Lydia, his wife of 64 years, at his side.

08:18 <xcamel> Heston is survived by his two children, Fraser Clarke Heston and Holly Heston Rochell, and his three grandchildren, Jack Alexander Heston, Ridley Rochell and Charlie Rochell. A private memorial service will be held.

08:31 <xcamel> RIP, Chuck

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09:07 <xcamel> mighty quiet

09:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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09:29 <CoderForLife> greetings any and all

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09:29 <wdsmia> mornin Don

09:29 <CoderForLife> hey Doug =)

09:29 <xcamel> 'lo Don

09:29 <xcamel> and Doug

09:29 <CoderForLife> hello Jay =)

09:29 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

09:30 <CoderForLife> just did my Saturday morning errands

09:30 <CoderForLife> I was needed at w@#% yesterday

09:30 <CoderForLife> they had to call in the Big Dog

09:30 <xcamel> AKA someone who knows his $h!t

09:31 <Romulus> HeXiLeD: you're returning work way past the armed trooper at the other day I decided to stay here

09:31 <CoderForLife> AKA someone who know how figure out what the M$ $hit isn't doing right

09:31 <xcamel> too bad about Charlton Heston - but not unexpected

09:32 <CoderForLife> I learned a new acronym yesterday for Internet Explorer

09:32 <CoderForLife> IfE

09:32 <xcamel> Internet Exploder

09:32 <xcamel> I still won't upgrade to 7

09:32 <Excelsi0r> why f .

09:32 <Excelsi0r> ?

09:32 <xcamel> guess...

09:33 <Excelsi0r> If I'm asking, that's because I don't guess

09:33 <CoderForLife> you'd think a web browser would implement HTTP protocol

09:33 <xcamel> I use Opera - and even have opera mini on my blackberry

09:33 <xcamel> it ain't perfect, but it ain't If'nE

09:33 <CoderForLife> I can't get the f through the family filter

09:34 <Excelsi0r> xcamel: so am I (except the blackberry, but I run opera on my cellphone)

09:34 <xcamel> it works great..

09:34 <Excelsi0r> CoderForLife: I see

09:34 <Excelsi0r> yup, I am utterly satisfied by Opera

09:35 <CoderForLife> I got everything going beautifully through Firefox yesterday

09:35 <xcamel> funny posthumus quote..

09:36 <CoderForLife> we still had to re-write some HTTP response headers on their way back to the browser due to a misbehaving app

09:36 <xcamel> "Get your paws of my casket, you damned dirty liberal !!!..."

09:36 <CoderForLife> Firefox responded glady

09:36 <CoderForLife> IfE, um, not so much

09:36 <CoderForLife> gladly*

09:36 <CoderForLife> lol

09:37 <CoderForLife> "damn them all to hell"

09:37 <xcamel> FMCDH!

09:37 <CoderForLife> certainly there's a Soylent Green tie-in to health care, or something

09:38 <xcamel> Ben Hur: "Only Four Horsepower ??"

09:38 <CoderForLife> Moses vs Obama

09:39 <CoderForLife> Fair thee well, Mr. Heston

09:40 <xcamel> http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/CampbG/2008/CampbG20080406A_low.jpg

09:40 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6eq585> (at editorialcartoonists.com)

09:41 <xcamel> http://www.varmintal.com/mypres.gif

09:42 <CoderForLife> lol

09:42 <xcamel> that was a good one

09:42 <CoderForLife> Moses's rod was the ulitmate concealed carry

09:42 <xcamel> indeed

09:43 <xcamel> getting the need for feed today, before we go...

09:44 * xcamel is seriously looking forward to home in LaPaz

09:44 <CoderForLife> yeah, I thought you were supposed to miss BSG last Friday night

09:44 <CoderForLife> did you delay?

09:44 <Romulus> slaps PovAddict with a hammer today... Why?.. Because I have it delivered?

09:44 <xcamel> watched it, still no way to record the rest...

09:44 <CoderForLife> ah

09:44 <CoderForLife> we recorded for the first time

09:45 <CoderForLife> media server worked great

09:45 * xcamel remembers Nancy has SKY down there - might hang out at her house... :-)

09:45 <CoderForLife> lol

09:46 <xcamel> it's the only bits of fox news I get..

09:46 <CoderForLife> the BSG ep was good

09:46 <xcamel> other than a little restaurant in town...

09:47 <xcamel> that has really good fishburgers

09:47 <CoderForLife> excellent

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09:48 <xcamel> tiny place, but great food..

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09:48 <xcamel> and almost no parking

09:49 <CoderForLife> they're often the best

09:50 <xcamel> I'm really hoping to drive up to Magdellena bay to see the whales (ballena) this year - with the kids

09:50 <CoderForLife> cool

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09:52 <CoderForLife> trying to find where Stephen put the hill pics from yesterday

09:52 <xcamel> 24°34'0.91"N, 111°51'14.12"W

09:55 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

09:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 52.0F / 11.1C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 4.6mph / 7.4km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast late this morning and afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Highs in the (1 more message)

09:56 <CoderForLife> &more

09:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

09:56 <CoderForLife> I think I'll trying Coding out on the deck today

09:56 <xcamel> was supposed to get warm here today, but a coastal storm messed that up...

09:57 <CoderForLife> I saw something about a bunch of rain last night

09:57 <xcamel> Kylie is in NJ, and was going to 6 Flags today, I thought

09:58 <CoderForLife> Six Flags is fun

09:58 <xcamel> seems they did really well at the C&T competition

09:59 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

09:59 <xcamel> off to feed the critters.. and see if 'Joe Palooka' is still alive..

09:59 <xcamel> kind of doubting it..

10:01 <xcamel> hate it when one turkey doesn't know when he's taken a bit too much of a beating from the others...

10:01 <xcamel> bbiab..

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10:04 * CoderForLife rejoices

10:06 <CoderForLife> morning PovIpod

10:09 <PovIpod> wtf it connected automatically?

10:09 * Excelsi0r is now hungry

10:10 <PovIpod> I'm never sure what programs are actually running here

10:10 <Excelsi0r> arfle, can't help you with that :)

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10:27 <PovIpod> moo

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10:41 <efc> moo

10:45 <PovAddict> I just looked at BOINC Trac rss

10:45 <PovAddict> Didactylos: you have been busy?

10:53 <CoderForLife> moo efc

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11:16 <CoderForLife> bbl

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11:58 <xcamel> re-hi

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12:08 <xcamel> LIL! >>

12:08 <xcamel> er..

12:08 <xcamel> LOL!! >> Snow covers London ahead of Olympic torch relay

12:08 <xcamel> http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKHAR57509320080406?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

12:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6gcn6y> (at uk.reuters.com)

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13:45 <xcamel> $2.6 million Paid For Pizza.com

13:49 * desti looks at his pizza in the ofen

13:50 <Excelsi0r> wtf ?

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13:51 <Excelsi0r> Holy god, nickserv have snapped

13:51 <Excelsi0r> -have

13:52 <Excelsi0r> whattha?

13:53 <Excelsi0r> nickserv :No such nick/channel

13:53 <Excelsi0r> :(

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14:34 <PovAddict> did my connection drop recently?

14:38 <Excelsi0r> PovAddict: no, nickserv dropped

14:38 <PovAddict> I wonder how my ISP managed to increase my connection speed without briefly disconnecting me

14:39 <Excelsi0r> wait, i'm gonna check anyway

14:40 <Excelsi0r> no, no quits

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16:06 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

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16:06 <wdsmia> &more

16:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: evening then becoming partly cloudy. Colder. Low in the lower 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 50s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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16:17 * efc tries to figure out how SETI@Home does folding

16:17 <PovAddict> folding?

16:17 <efc> to find pulses

16:18 <PovAddict> you're still reverse-engineering SETI code?

16:18 <PovAddict> you should really document your findings...

16:18 <efc> I haven't done much lately. I had been working on the FFT VHDL, which doesn't require much understanding of what seti does with it.

16:19 <efc> the folding is more of a mystery though. they invoke it through some strange table of function pointers.

16:23 <efc> I wish I had some of my code analysis tools from work.. they at least make it easy to see what calls what

16:23 <PovAddict> if you run it under gdb, and step into the call to the function pointer, don't you end up in the real function?

16:24 <efc> I would assume so. I've never compiled and run this stuff though.

16:25 <PovAddict> ah just reading the code, with no experiments?

16:25 <efc> Yeah. I looked into compiling it once. Seemed like a total pain.

16:25 <PovAddict> you should contact Eric Korpela...

16:26 <efc> I'd have to do it eventually, but not for a long time.

16:29 <efc> I got a decent amount of the FFT VHDL done - a lot to go but it seems feasible now.

16:30 <efc> My thingy does up to size=256 blocks, and then puts them together to do up to n=64k (the SETI max size)

16:30 <efc> That ends up saving a lot of memory bandwidth

16:31 <efc> I don't think such a trick exists for the pulse folding though

16:32 <Soul_keeper> interesting

16:32 <PovAddict> note you need to write an XML parser in VHDL if you want to crunch actual SETI workunits :P

16:32 <DerMeister> lol

16:32 <DerMeister> that could be really painfull ^^

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16:34 <DerMeister> Oh... got a bunch of primegen workunits again... That will give some nice credits :)

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16:34 <efc> What I would do is still have the host (general purpose CPU) do most of the setup, reading config files, etc

16:35 <PovAddict> ...talk to the boinc client...

16:35 <PovAddict> (XML over shared memory, yuck)

16:36 <efc> Hopefully not have to write any of that myself. Basically stub out the intensive function calls to hardware. Its a nice idea but I don't think it will actually work like that.

16:37 <PovAddict> nope, if you're going to do the general purpose CPU part in C(++), you can use the official API

16:37 <DerMeister> PovAddict: any news about the screenserver for primegrid? ;)

16:37 <PovAddict> DerMeister: here's a fact: I'm chatting here instead of working on it

16:38 <DerMeister> hehe

16:44 <PovAddict> and I'm being eaten alive by mosquitos

16:47 <DerMeister> hehe... fortunately here it's still "cold"... Therefore no little flying bastards around (yet...) ;)

16:47 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

16:47 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ART; Clear. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Clear. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Overcast. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.;

16:47 <PovAddict> 30C?? we're not in summer anymore ffs

16:50 <xcamel> 'lo again

16:50 <efc> moo X

16:51 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

16:52 <efc> I should try reading the top of the file first

16:53 <xcamel> &wx La Paz, mexico

16:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 93°F / 34°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 1:41 PM MDT; Clear. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Clear. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Clear. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Clear. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

16:53 <Romulus> or stuff it covers.

16:53 <xcamel> ...works for me..

16:54 <efc> &weather Claunch, New Mexico

16:54 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 63F / 17C | Humidity: 15% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Breezy. Highs in the mid 60s to lower 70s. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Breezy. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. West winds 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 20 mph after midnight. (1 more message)

16:55 <DerMeister> &weather Kulmbach, Germany

16:55 <Romulus> DerMeister: Temperature: 38.4°F / 3.6°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h | Updated: 10:55 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F. / -4 C.; Overcast. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:37 F. / 3 (1 more message)

16:55 <xcamel> It did get to about 52 here..

16:55 <xcamel> all the animals are loving it

16:56 <efc> Its around 70 here

16:56 <efc> The fire ants are very excited

16:57 <xcamel> borates... more boreates...

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17:03 <Agiofws> hello

17:04 <Agiofws> is this page related to BURP ?

17:06 <Agiofws> hey  i have some Questions  to ask about this project can any one help ?

17:07 <Agiofws> before i try  to  join ...

17:08 <PovAddict> best place would be BURP forum...

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17:10 <Agiofws> PovAddict,  i like  live intercation

17:10 <Agiofws> PovAddict,   ...  do i first DL the client and then register ?

17:10 <Agiofws> i don;t find a register button ... on the site

17:11 <PovIpod> you download boinc client first

17:11 <Agiofws> ok

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17:13 <Agiofws> PovIpod,    have you  uploaded any rendering work ?     can you see the progress of your work ?  does the work start instantly ?   is it true at 6:00  UTC the server is going down ?

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17:22 <PovAddict> back

17:22 <PovAddict> Agiofws: I have never even used blender

17:22 <Agiofws> ok

17:23 <PovAddict> afaik, the uploaded sessions are manually reviewed before they start

17:23 <PovAddict> you can monitor its progress, but it's a bit of a rough indicator

17:24 <PovAddict> suppose an ideal world with 100 computers, a 100-frame animation, each frame taking an hour, and each computer processing a single frame

17:24 <PovAddict> it would seem stuck at 0%, then after an hour it would jump to completion very fast as the computers upload the finished work :)

17:26 <Agiofws> PovAddict,  my render time on my duo core is 12 min max  maybe more

17:26 <Agiofws> i have 1000 frames

17:26 <PovAddict> I'm just giving an example

17:26 <Agiofws> on the celeron 1600mhz  its take 31mins

17:26 <PovAddict> it's way more common that frames differ in render time, each computer gets more than one frame, most don't start processing immediately after downloading it, most don't upload immediately after finishing, etc

17:27 <PovAddict> so that makes the progress report even less accurate

17:27 <Agiofws> i have  one basic prob ...

17:27 <Agiofws> the version of blender

17:27 <Agiofws> may not be the same

17:28 <Agiofws> i'm using some kind of new feature an i don't know    if the server supports it

17:29 <PovAddict> download blender v.2.45 and try rendering one frame with it

17:33 <DerMeister> isn't blender just a frontend for povray?

17:33 <PovAddict> no

17:33 <PovAddict> blender is a modeler, and has its own renderer too

17:33 <PovAddict> povray is a renderer, and there are programs to export blender models to povray meshes

17:34 <PovAddict> blender internal renderer has nothing to do with povray

17:34 <DerMeister> Ah, didn't know that. Anyway, never used one of these programs... Just wrote my own little raytracer ;)

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17:35 <PovAddict> try povray... lacking a modeler GUI, it's interesting to programmers :)

17:35 <PovAddict> sphere { <0,1,0>, 0.1 pigment { rgb <0,1,0> } }

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17:36 <efc> Does the Big Dave get upset when apps change how they report flops? Would they ever get annoyed by reporting a more accurate number?

17:36 <DerMeister> Yes, I know it's syntax - used it for my own raytracer... Well, at least something similar...

17:38 <Agiofws> does anyone know if blender on boinc supports the explode modifier ?

17:38 <PovAddict> Agiofws: BURP forums

17:39 <Agiofws> ok

17:40 <xcamel> bbl..

17:51 * Tank_Master is listening to: Dave Flitcroft - 3 Hour Mix (03.29.2007)

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17:58 <efc> the FLOP count for pulse finding seems to be a crude approximation.. analysis_state.FLOP_counter+=(PulsePotLen*0.1818181818182+400.0)*PulsePotLen;

18:00 <PovAddict> it's just for credits anyway

18:01 <PovAddict> crude approximation is enough

18:01 <PovAddict> just think it's probably more accurate than CPU time and BOINC flop benchmarks

18:03 <efc> I guess.. maybe I'll know exactly someday

18:04 <PovAddict> if current flop counting is inaccurate always by a specific factor, and you make it exact, your workunits may get too much/too little credit

18:05 <efc> If exact is bad, there's something wrong

18:06 <PovAddict> before flop counting, "improving" the client benchmarks caused credit problems too ("you're cheating!!11one1")

18:06 <PovAddict> bbl

18:06 <efc> Its all probably a lot better than counting all WUs the same from the dark days

18:09 <Soul_keeper> bla

18:10 * Soul_keeper liked the old method

18:11 * Soul_keeper blames the liberals

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18:14 <efc> people could have done nasty stuff like discard all the non-

18:14 <efc> "sweet" WUs...

18:18 <PovAddict> I think the only decent way is going back to dropping cross-project parity

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18:18 <PovAddict> let projects count WUs, or use whatever measuring unit they want

18:19 <Soul_keeper> the stats sites should determine credit

18:19 <Soul_keeper> the projects themselves should just report WU # and some other variable for the stat sties to work with

18:20 <Soul_keeper> i dunno

18:25 <Didactylos> Oh, a credit discussion.

18:25 <Didactylos> Didn't XKCD have something to say on the subject?

18:30 <Didactylos> http://xkcd.org/231/

18:30 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at xkcd.org)

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18:45 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 25 MM to inches

18:45 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: MM is not a valid unit.

18:46 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 25 milimeters to inches

18:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: milimeters is not a valid unit.

18:46 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 25 Milimeters to inches

18:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: Milimeters is not a valid unit.

18:46 <Romulus> then setup not complete PovAddict

18:46 <Tank_Master> &math convert 25 mm to in

18:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 0.984251968504

18:46 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 25 Mm  to inches

18:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: Mm is not a valid unit.

18:46 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:47 <Tank_Master> :P

18:47 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 38 mm to in

18:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 1.49606299213

18:47 <Soul_keeper> thanks

18:47 <Excelsi0r> note for the coder : add a lowercase for &math :)

18:48 <Tank_Master> it was a lucky guess

18:48 <Excelsi0r> by the way : 1 in = 2.54 cm :)

18:49 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:49 <Soul_keeper> well i got the mm measurements, just wondering what these inch people are talking about ...

18:50 * Excelsi0r too

18:50 <Soul_keeper> http://www.mpja.com/   this site looks cool

18:50 <Excelsi0r> I had to learn

18:50 <Romulus> Title: MPJA - Power Supply, Power Supplies, Security Cameras, LCD, Fans, Etc. (at www.mpja.com)

18:50 <Excelsi0r> and 1 ft = 12 in

18:50 <Soul_keeper> well i'm american and all, it's just everything dealing with my computers is in metric, so therefore i know metric

18:51 <Soul_keeper> when people tell me their cpu temp in F i get angry

18:51 <Excelsi0r> Yeah, I have to use my phone to convert into celsius

18:52 <Tank_Master> my CPU temp is 113f

18:52 * Excelsi0r slaps Tank_Master with an angry quad core

18:53 * Tank_Master takes the qaud and benches 64bit RS in windows on it

18:54 * Excelsi0r is gonna talk in °K

18:57 <Excelsi0r> my CPU temp is 281°K

18:58 <Tank_Master> k

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19:04 * Soul_keeper wanders off into the darkness

19:04 <efc> &math convert 3 mi to km

19:04 <Romulus> efc: 4.828032

19:04 <efc> ran that in 25:58, still alive

19:11 <Excelsi0r> wow, finally, I got three star in special cup of mario kart DS

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19:35 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:13:48)

19:37 <Tank_Master> wb

19:38 <KathrynM> thx

19:38 <KathrynM> I finally got some sleep

19:38 <Romulus> [17:38] <xcamel> I also plan to provide basic BOINC troubleshooting.

19:38 <KathrynM> Romulus couldn't troubleshoot himself out of a paper bag

19:38 <Romulus> I don't know!

19:38 <KathrynM> seeeeeeeeeeeeeee

19:38 <Excelsi0r> :) heya

19:39 <KathrynM> mornin' Excelsi0r

19:39 <xcamel> now time to go meet the ankle biters..

19:39 <xcamel> again...

19:39 <Excelsi0r> more than night actually, but mornin' to you :)

19:40 <KathrynM> about a T-30 to ankle biters

19:40 <Excelsi0r> *more like*

19:41 <xcamel> over on the other side of the planet..

19:42 <Excelsi0r> not that far

19:43 <PovAddict> hehe

19:43 <PovAddict> still sunday here :)

19:43 <Excelsi0r> yeah, I saw that

19:43 * PovAddict looks at the jealous teacher

19:43 <KathrynM> at least wednesday is a holidy

19:44 <Excelsi0r> for my part I'll have to go to work in 6 hours

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19:44 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:45 <Excelsi0r> tup

19:45 <CoderForLife> you still around, xcamel?

19:45 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife

19:45 <CoderForLife> heya KathrynM

19:45 <CoderForLife> &seen xcamel

19:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 4 minutes and 8 seconds ago: <xcamel> over on the other side of the planet..

19:45 <xcamel> moi?

19:46 <CoderForLife> yes, vous =)

19:46 <CoderForLife> have a great trip

19:46 <xcamel> opr que?

19:46 <xcamel> not leaving till friday..

19:46 <CoderForLife> oh

19:46 <CoderForLife> ok

19:46 <CoderForLife> I thought you went tomorrow

19:46 <PovAddict> "over on the other side of the planet" was referring to KathrynM

19:46 <xcamel> at oh-friggin-dark-thirty

19:46 <Excelsi0r> oh, sorry

19:46 <CoderForLife> That was a given

19:47 <CoderForLife> there's only one person on the other side of the planet

19:47 <KathrynM> eastern hemisphere

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19:47 <Excelsi0r> I've looked up your IP :)

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19:47 <Excelsi0r> (since you don't reply CTCP TIME)

19:48 <CoderForLife> I always wondered how she could walk upside down like that

19:48 <KathrynM> it was difficult to learn :)

19:48 <CoderForLife> been Coding all day on the deck, listening to solopianoradio

19:49 <CoderForLife> the air is quite warm between the WAP antenna and this laptop

19:50 * Tank_Master is on the bottom side of the planet

19:50 * CoderForLife listens to "Steven Cravis - Through the Kaleidoscope"

19:50 * Tank_Master is listening to: After Hours SF - Ohh!!

19:50 <CoderForLife> being on the bottom side is not the same as being on the hind end, I understand

19:52 <CoderForLife> well, anyway, have a nice trip *Friday*, xcamel

19:52 <CoderForLife> I hope to chat again before then

19:52 * Excelsi0r thinks he's the one on the right side of the globe :3

19:52 <CoderForLife> but, you never know

19:53 <PovAddict> Excelsi0r: no, you're on the wrong side

19:53 <Excelsi0r> like I say, the right side is the other one

19:53 <CoderForLife> I'm shutting the laptop down - tc all

19:53 <xcamel> really looking foreward to "Getting the hell out of Dodge"

19:54 <CoderForLife> nighty-night

19:54 <Excelsi0r> g'd night

19:54 <xcamel> laterz..

19:54 * CoderForLife is more away than his status indicates

19:56 <Excelsi0r> in fact I'm in the middle of you guys :)

20:01 <Excelsi0r> well, I'm off. See you later

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20:04 <efc> There's a 5k I could run next week..

20:08 <xcamel> IP Kill >> 75.125.146.194

20:10 <xcamel> uh-oh

20:10 <xcamel> dictionary spam attacker trying rpc and rpcuser now

20:11 <xcamel> first time I've seen that..

20:11 <KathrynM> and your pw is camel?

20:11 <Romulus> something to do that?

20:11 <PovAddict> let's find out!

20:11 <KathrynM> PovAddict <----- evil

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20:13 <xcamel> you'll never get in

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20:18 <KathrynM> laterz

20:19 <xcamel> have a fun day..

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20:40 <nickuwo> too much caffiene

20:41 <nickuwo> trying to memorize real analysis theorems doesn't help either...

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21:16 <nickuwo> does validation do anything important in the WU lifecycle? I.E. If my project trusts clients and sends a WU to only one client, do I still need to have a validator running? My db is getting huge, do results have to be validated before they are deleted?

21:17 <PovAddict> if your project trusts clients and sends a WU to only one client, you should use the sample_trivial_validator which always says "yes it's valid"

21:18 <PovAddict> no validator means it never gets assimilated

21:18 <nickuwo> should I write an assimilator?

21:18 <Romulus> I'm not sure who I'd rather not go out :)

21:18 <PovAddict> and it's in the assimilator where you do useful stuff with your results

21:19 <PovAddict> result gets reported by client -> validated -> assimilated -> files deleted

21:19 <PovAddict> if your assimilator doesn't do something useful, file_deleter will throw your computation results into the bit bucket :)

21:19 <nickuwo> gotchya

21:21 <nickuwo> do I pass the minimum CPU time to sample_trivial_validator as an argument?

21:21 <PovAddict> I don't remember; rtfm or see sample_trivial_validator code :)

21:21 <nickuwo> not on the wiki

21:23 <PovAddict> ok, no you don't

21:24 <PovAddict> the minimum CPU time is a constant inside the code, last time I checked

21:24 <nickuwo> cool thx

21:26 <zombie67> broke 700k on SIMAP

21:27 * PovAddict moves away from the documentation flam^H^H^H^H discussion on boinc_dev to keep some sanity

21:28 <zombie67> can't be fixed

21:29 <PovAddict> of course the documentation can be fixed

21:29 <PovAddict> it's just nobody agrees on how

21:29 <zombie67> would be easier to hire 3-4 POV-type answer men.

21:29 <zombie67> 411

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21:48 <nickuwo> so my trivial validator is denoting the results as canonical...

21:48 <nickuwo> cool

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