IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-04-08

00:05 <ework> ok there we go

00:06 <ework> I just read Romulus's pastebin

00:06 <ework> so i installed the package from koji

00:06 <ework> works fine now without the cc_client.xml file

00:06 <ework> Mon 07 Apr 2008 09:04:52 PM PDT||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for i686-pc-linux-gnu

00:15 <ework> well guys thanks for all the help, the new package and cc_client.xml both fix the problem, but now with the new package I don't need the cc_client.xml file

00:15 <ework> take care everyone

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00:19 <ework> &whatis linux

00:19 <Romulus> ework: "linux" could be

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01:27 <Tank_Master> sleep is for the weak

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04:58 <Agiofws> hello

04:58 <Romulus> yeah that's me at work

04:59 <Agiofws> its eems to me that my render   has slowed down dramatically could it be  due to the reason that  i am not connected to  the boinc network  ?

04:59 <Agiofws> its like stuck

05:01 <Agiofws> should i connect to get better credits so  it will speed my work up at  burp  ?

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05:26 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 48.3F / 9.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms after (1 more message)

05:26 <CoderForLife> &more

05:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 60s. Southwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

05:30 <CoderForLife> off to w@#&

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05:43 <xcamel> boo..

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06:11 <Agiofws> hey is  boinc down or something  i'm waiting for like 29 frames to  finish my rendering and its like stalle or something

06:11 <Agiofws> i'm using BURP

06:14 <KathrynM> You're better off asking on the BURP forums

06:14 <Romulus> xcamel: it doesnt ...

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06:42 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:49 <KathrynM> hiya

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06:59 <hawmps> &math calc 6.7^6/5.5^9

06:59 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

06:59 <KathrynM> lol

06:59 <hawmps> &math calc 6.7e6 / 5.5e9

06:59 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

07:00 <hawmps> dammit

07:00 <hawmps> &math calc 6.7^6 / 5.5^9

07:00 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

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07:04 <hawmps> &math calc 6.7e^6 / 5.5e^9

07:04 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: invalid token (<string>, line 1)

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08:52 * Tank_Master is listening to: Bit Lolitas Vs. Motorcycle - Sedna Vs. Deep Breath Love (Dave Dresden Mashup)

08:59 <desti>

08:59 <Romulus> <> (at

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09:04 <KathrynM> oh crap.  I forgot to watch it

09:04 <Tank_Master> lol

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09:08 <kwirk> Hi, wondering if any one could help me. I'm running Boinc in Ubuntu 7.10, and the CPU usage is fluctuating from 10-20% to 95-100%. Just wondered if this was normal, or should i be getting 95-100% usage at all times?

09:09 <KathrynM> Did you set the CPU throttle feature?

09:10 <KathrynM> Use at most

09:10 <KathrynM> (Can be used to reduce CPU heat)

09:10 <KathrynM> Enforced by version 5.6+100 percent of CPU time

09:10 <KathrynM> (either on the web or in the local preferance settings)

09:12 <kwirk> KathrynM: Cheers, i'll have a look at that now...

09:16 <kwirk> KathrynM: That's fixed it. Thanks for the help.

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09:20 <clusty> KathrynM, long time no hear

09:21 <KathrynM> hey clusty

09:23 <clusty> so whats new?

09:23 <KathrynM> not much

09:23 <KathrynM> same crap different day

09:25 <clusty> SSDD :D

09:25 <KathrynM> exactly

09:26 <KathrynM> how about you?

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09:57 <desti>

09:57 <Romulus> <> (at

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10:49 * Tank_Master is listening to: Anna Nalick - Breathe (Blake Jarrell Remix)

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12:14 <PovAddict> &math calc 6.7**6 / 5.5**9

12:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.0196419504331

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13:08 <jackygrahamez> Hola

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14:25 <hawmps> buenos tardes

14:32 <Soul_keeper> i guess it'll always be normal for java apps to lock solid 10+ times daily

14:38 * Tank_Master is listening to: Markus Schulz Presents Elevation - Clear Blue (Original Mix)

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15:00 <PovAddict> what the ****

15:00 <Tank_Master> ?

15:00 <PovAddict>

15:00 <Romulus> <> (at

15:01 <Tank_Master> ?

15:01 <PovAddict> company employees meeting in *Second Life*??

15:01 <Tank_Master> oh

15:01 <Romulus> I'll check it from;O=D

15:01 <Tank_Master> wtf?

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15:48 <CoderForLife> home a tad bit early

15:49 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

15:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 82.1F / 27.8C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms late this evening. Showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 (2 more messages)

15:49 <CoderForLife> had a long meeting today with IBM

15:49 <CoderForLife> they send their love

15:49 <CoderForLife> &more

15:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph... (1 more message)

15:49 <Romulus> 21 degrees warmer than here..

15:50 <CoderForLife> &more

15:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: becoming northeast after midnight. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

15:50 <CoderForLife> IBM says to forget this MS Office stuff - run Lotus Symphony

15:51 <CoderForLife> Open Office Made Even Better

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16:07 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

16:08 <Tank_Master> &more

16:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.1F / 12.3C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with showers likely. Heavier showers may produce a brief period of small hail. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind becoming northwest 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows 35 to (1 more message)

16:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 40. Light wind.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers...mainly during the afternoon. Highs around 55. South wind 10 mph.;

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16:12 <Tank_Master> wb SK

16:22 * Tank_Master is listening to: Coldplay - Talk (Junkie XL Remix)

16:34 * Tank_Master is listening to: Coldplay - Ballroom - Remember Me

16:37 * Tank_Master is listening to: Lightforce - Passion Lights The Way (Bad Habit Boys Remix)

16:38 * CoderForLife is listening to the birds

16:38 <Tank_Master> LOL

16:40 * wdsmia_w is listening to the rain

16:42 <xcamel> 'lo

16:43 <Tank_Master> hey

16:44 <xcamel> another nice day..

16:45 * Tank_Master is listening to the wind

16:47 <CoderForLife> likewise here, xcamel

16:47 <CoderForLife> rain tonight

16:47 <CoderForLife> 76F locally

16:47 <Tank_Master> toasty

16:47 <CoderForLife> yup

16:47 <CoderForLife> clouds have moved in

16:48 <CoderForLife> no fresh tree falls today

16:48 <Tank_Master> muggy

16:48 <Tank_Master> lol

16:48 <CoderForLife> but the day is still young

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16:48 <PovAddict> moo

16:48 <CoderForLife> hellooo PovAddict

16:51 <xcamel> we need a good gullywasher to take that damn road out completely

16:53 * CoderForLife sends all the gully-washers he can muster to NY

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16:53 <CoderForLife> I don't need'em here

16:53 <desti>

16:53 <Romulus> <> (at

16:54 <CoderForLife> I can see it now - LaserEarths@Home

16:54 <xcamel> lol

16:55 <CoderForLife> brb  beverage - and turning up the ceiling fan speed a notch

16:56 <xcamel> looks like we'll get to 65 tomorrow

16:56 <wdsmia_w> about that time bbiab

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16:59 <PovAddict> seti db still down?

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17:00 <Tank_Master> it was up?

17:01 <CoderForLife> I'm sorry - I don't understand "up" and "seti" in the same sentence

17:01 <CoderForLife> oh - "down"

17:01 <CoderForLife> now I get it

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17:07 <Tank_Master> BOINC 6.1.14 for windows 32bit now out

17:07 <Tank_Master> adds support for co-processors

17:07 <PovAddict> I wonder if BOINC alpha has co-processor apps to test the damn new feature or not...

17:08 <Tank_Master> dunno

17:08 <Tank_Master> I dont really want to test it out :P

17:08 <Tank_Master> not on my main comp anyways

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17:10 <xcamel> reisel is still driving me nutz

17:11 <Tank_Master> y?

17:13 <xcamel> preempting work on other cores still

17:13 <xcamel> there has to be a bug in that client.

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17:16 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:16 <Tank_Master> hey

17:17 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:18 <wdsmia> its wet out there

17:18 <Tank_Master> :P

17:19 <xcamel> rain is like that.

17:20 <Tank_Master> funny how that works

17:21 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

17:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 39.7F / 4.3C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 3.6mph / 5.8km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with rain and a slight chance of snow in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. No snow accumulation. Low in the lower 30s. Northwest wind near 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 (1 more message)

17:21 <wdsmia> &more

17:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Not as cool. Patchy fog in the morning. High in the mid 50s. North wind near 10 mph shifting to the east in the afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Low around 40. East wind 10 to 20 mph. Chance of showers 70 percent.;

17:21 <Tank_Master> &more god

17:21 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: I haven't seen god.

17:22 <Tank_Master> your sole will burn in hell

17:22 <xcamel> that would be a "soul"

17:22 <Tank_Master> wait, so you have a soul?

17:22 <Romulus> sounds like TSP... have you uploaded any rendering work ? does the same "level"

17:22 <xcamel> your sole will burn on a sidewalk

17:23 <Tank_Master> if it dont rot first

17:23 <xcamel> or it might even make a good fillet.

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17:25 <xcamel> &wx MMLP

17:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 94°F / 34°C | Humidity: 11% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM MDT; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F. / 14 C.; Clear. High:93 F. / 34 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.;

17:25 <xcamel> yummy!

17:26 * Tank_Master detects a pattern in the weather

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17:46 <xcamel> 'lo Jack

17:46 <PovAddict> he just quit...

17:47 <xcamel> er not

17:48 <KathrynM> lol

17:48 <KathrynM> It's so typical of computers- so many things that are simple

17:48 <KathrynM> in real life become impossibly complex and unreliable on computers. Huzzah

17:48 <KathrynM> for technology!

17:49 <Tank_Master> hiya KM

17:49 <KathrynM> moanin

17:49 <KathrynM> how's life TM?

17:50 <xcamel> 'lo Kat

17:50 <KathrynM> hiya xcamel

17:50 <xcamel> you folks missing that storm hitting Japan?

17:50 <KathrynM> it's goign to rain the next few days

17:51 <KathrynM> of course it rains on my day off

17:51 <Tank_Master> hehe

17:51 <Tank_Master> funny how that works

17:51 <KathrynM> that's my life

17:51 <Tank_Master> just trying to keep things fresh for you

17:51 <mweltin> it rains here almost everyday.

17:51 <KathrynM> mweltin!

17:52 <mweltin> KathrynM!!

17:52 <mweltin> how are you?

17:52 <KathrynM> how goes to new app?

17:52 <xcamel> Tokyo apt had to close twice because it was raining so hard...

17:52 <KathrynM> I'm not sleeping tho I'd rather be.

17:52 <xcamel> 'lo mw

17:52 <mweltin> crappy, can't figure out why no command line args are getting passed to it.

17:52 <Tank_Master> lol KM

17:52 <mweltin> hey xcamel

17:52 <KathrynM> I saw your message to the list.

17:53 <mweltin> yeah, one guy suggested dynamic job.xml files but that will not work for this app.

17:53 <mweltin> that was the only response I got.

17:53 <KathrynM> that sounds painful

17:53 <KathrynM> PovAddict is stumped too?

17:54 <mweltin> he is real busy, and suggested I write to the list.

17:54 <mweltin> he tried to help a couple times, but he never used the wrapper

17:54 <KathrynM> ahhh

17:54 <KathrynM> I just run 'em.  I don't code 'em.

17:54 <KathrynM> I couldn't code my way out of a paper bag.

17:56 <mweltin> I thought you were learning perl?

17:56 <KathrynM> I gave up.

17:56 <mweltin> which is like programing with paper bags.

17:56 <KathrynM> lol

17:57 <KathrynM> My brain just doesn't work that way.  I'll stick to teaching English.

17:57 <mweltin> my brain doesn't work that way, english is so confusing

17:57 <KathrynM> true

17:57 <mweltin> lots of rules that make no sense what so ever

17:58 <KathrynM> If there is one rule for English it's that there is an exception to every rule.

17:58 <xcamel> well put

17:59 <DerMeister> That reminds me of Latin...

17:59 <mweltin> yes, I'd go so far as to say there are several exceptions, which would be at least one exception for the rule you just pointed out.

17:59 <Romulus> sethy: lies I have a say to mess things up.

18:01 <KathrynM> try teaching phonics.  Talk about a nightmare.

18:01 <KathrynM> We teach the hard c sound for c and then like a year later we tell them, btw, c also has another sound that sounds just like s.

18:02 <mweltin> oh I was diagnosed with a learning disablility related to my phonics skills.

18:03 <mweltin> its part of why I can't spell to save my life.  I may just move to costa rica, at least in spanish I have a chance.

18:03 <KathrynM> I process sounds strangely.  It wasn't until I started teaching phonics that I realized ch and oo both have two sounds.

18:04 <KathrynM> th, not ch

18:04 <KathrynM> Not that I can hear the difference.

18:04 <KathrynM> I had to get one of the other teachers to give me the answers to a couple of workbook pages because I didn't have a chance in hell of figuring them out.

18:05 <PovAddict> the 'th' from 'the' is like Spanish 'd'

18:05 <PovAddict> and I'm not sure what to compare English 'd' to

18:05 <KathrynM> mornin' PovAddict

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18:12 <mweltin> hey PovAddict

18:28 <CoderForLife> back inside

18:28 <CoderForLife> cut the front "lawn" for the first time

18:28 <CoderForLife> this, um, season

18:29 <CoderForLife> hey mweltin KathrynM

18:29 * wdsmia slaps CoderForLife around with a large Carp

18:29 <CoderForLife> aw cmon Father Nature, I used an electric mower even

18:30 <CoderForLife> doesn't much matter, they're pretty much going to have to pave the front yard to build the highway to the back yard

18:32 <wdsmia> give it time it will become the front yard

18:32 <CoderForLife> thx for the vote of confidence and hope

18:33 <wdsmia> lol

18:33 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking about measuring the weather by the number of trees that fell per day

18:34 <CoderForLife> yesterday was a 3, today 0

18:34 <CoderForLife> but the front is moving in

18:34 <CoderForLife> 30% chance of tree fall by midnight

18:35 <CoderForLife> tomorrow- cloudy, 100% chance of rain, 70% chance of tree fall

18:35 <wdsmia> and then theres tornado season

18:36 * wdsmia is just full of happy thoughts tonight

18:36 <CoderForLife> indeed

18:36 <CoderForLife> a regular court jester

18:37 <wdsmia> ouch!

18:37 * CoderForLife pulls back the pin cushion

18:40 <mweltin> clf nice to see you

18:40 <mweltin> I have to do teh lawn here too.

18:40 <wdsmia> 8hrs of desiging new workflows between 6 different systems does strange things to the brain

18:40 <mweltin> gonna wait for cooler temps though

18:40 <yoyo[RKN]8860> re

18:40 <xcamel> back from a nice walk

18:41 <yoyo[RKN]8860> had toooooo much beer

18:41 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]8860: being drunk on IRC is a bad idea

18:41 <PovAddict> you'll regret it ;)

18:41 <mweltin> hey yoyo do you pass any command line args to your wrapper?

18:41 <yoyo[RKN]8860> no

18:41 <yoyo[RKN]8860> had some nice beer with seti.germany

18:42 <mweltin> friends don't let friends IRC drunk?

18:42 <mweltin> I thought that was were  most of the content came from.

18:42 <yoyo[RKN]8860> hmmm

18:43 <yoyo[RKN]8860> who added 8860 to my nick

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18:46 <xcamel> yoyo the beer hound

18:46 <yoyo_[RKN]> :(

18:47 <mweltin> what did you have?  Ale good Plisner? a Stout? black and tan?

18:47 <mweltin> I need to live vicariously, as there is no good beer within 1000 km of here.

18:48 <yoyo_[RKN]> a pils of a very good private bavarian brewerie which you get only in munich

18:48 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmm

18:48 <yoyo_[RKN]> YES

18:48 <mweltin> warms my heart to hear that

18:48 <Romulus> want me to give me 1.5x the credits will be "job_1.02.xml" and the when I try not to be in the example and also supports linux

18:49 <mweltin> good beer is real and not just an illusion.

18:51 <yoyo_[RKN]> hmm

18:51 <yoyo_[RKN]> server still runs

18:53 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

18:53 <Tank_Master> sup?

18:54 <yoyo_[RKN]> Tank_Master is here, should go sleeping

18:54 <Tank_Master> lol

18:54 <mweltin> almost noon, time for left over pork.

18:54 <mweltin> later guyes

18:54 <mweltin> guys

18:54 <mweltin> and gals

18:54 <Tank_Master> tc

18:54 <yoyo_[RKN]> 1am here

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18:54 <Tank_Master> 4PM here

18:56 <wdsmia> 6PM

18:57 <xcamel> 7PM

18:57 <yoyo_[RKN]> &weather munich

18:57 <Romulus> yoyo_[RKN]: Temperature: 41°F / 5°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 12:50 AM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.;

19:03 <xcamel> High possibility of a substantial severe storm/tornado outbreak in the southern midwest moving into KY/TN/LA/MS etc.

19:08 <xcamel>

19:08 <Romulus> Title: Experimental SPC Apr 8, 2008 Enhanced Resolution Thunderstorm Outlook (at

19:20 <Tank_Master> they call a bunch of jaged lines "Enhanced Resolution"?

19:20 <xcamel> you have to know how to read it..

19:21 <xcamel> The Japanese call a bunch of jagged lines a language...

19:22 <Tank_Master> lol

19:22 <Tank_Master> ture

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19:27 <PovAddict> I got depspid work!

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19:30 <ilovegizmos> can one of you help me with make_project and working with all the configuration files?

19:31 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: I have some to

19:31 <Tank_Master> ilovegizmos: PovAddict probably can

19:32 <ilovegizmos> is he being apathetic today?

19:32 <Tank_Master> hes always pathedic

19:33 <Tank_Master> j/k ;)

19:33 <ilovegizmos> lol... poor Pov

19:33 <Tank_Master> he was here a few moments ago

19:33 <Tank_Master> probably still dancing from getting a DepSpid WU

19:33 <ilovegizmos> hmmmm

19:34 <ilovegizmos> i guess that's as good a reason as any to dance

19:34 <Tank_Master> yep

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19:36 <CoderForLife> back

19:37 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:37 <Tank_Master> wb

19:37 <CoderForLife> the "wall guy" just left

19:37 <Tank_Master> ?

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19:37 <PovAddict> I disabled #boinc flashing mIRC window...

19:38 * Tank_Master slaps tamar so hard, his name changed to BiteAbleKat

19:38 <CoderForLife> they'll be back later this week to dig a test pit - to see how far down they have to go to get to solid footing

19:38 <Tank_Master> nice

19:38 <CoderForLife> be nice to BiteAbleKat

19:38 <Tank_Master> lol

19:38 <CoderForLife> $500

19:41 <ilovegizmos> PovAddict; can you help me with using make_project and getting config files?

19:41 <PovAddict> that question seems quite vague...

19:42 <efc> moo

19:42 <Tank_Master> eek

19:42 <ilovegizmos> well basically i know that make_project generates config.xml and some other config file that I need so i can run uc2; and i was wondering if you can help me go through it

19:43 <ilovegizmos> i.e. right now make_project isn't running in a terminal

19:43 <CoderForLife> down to the Coding couch

19:46 <xcamel> slacker...

19:50 <ilovegizmos> ok... does anyone know why make_project wouldn't be working?  i'm told that the command is not found

19:52 <PovAddict> it's in boinc/tools

19:54 <ilovegizmos> yes

19:54 <ilovegizmos> and i said 'cd boinc/tools'

19:54 <PovAddict> heh

19:54 <PovAddict> you're typing "make_project" and it doesn't work?

19:54 <ilovegizmos> yea

19:55 <PovAddict> you're supposed to type ./make_project

19:55 <ilovegizmos> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

19:55 <PovAddict> scripts in the current dir won't work without ./, basic unix concept ;)

19:55 <xcamel> hate it when that happens..

19:55 <PovAddict> indeed

19:56 <ilovegizmos> well crap; it says that the MySQL isn't right

19:56 <ilovegizmos> boo

20:02 <ilovegizmos> ok, what is MySQLdb?

20:02 <PovAddict> I guess that's referring to the Python MySQL module

20:03 <ilovegizmos> yea, i just read it; i guess it's not a regular part of mysql?

20:03 <PovAddict> nope... it's a python module, and not a default part of python either

20:04 <ilovegizmos> ok; well i went to the BOINC wiki and i got the link for it

20:05 <Soul_keeper> bla python

20:06 <ilovegizmos> how does one run a .egg?

20:07 <PovAddict> what Linux distro are you using?

20:07 <xcamel> PoV >> #boinc_dev

20:07 <ilovegizmos> Fedora 8

20:07 <PovAddict> get it from yum

20:08 <PovAddict> xcamel: I see that as you "kicking us out"

20:08 <ilovegizmos> what do i type after install? mySQLdb didn't work

20:08 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: I don't know fedora... there must be a way to do a package search

20:09 <xcamel> not out.. over to the appropriate forum..

20:12 <PovAddict> ilovegizmos: package is MySQL-python

20:12 <ilovegizmos> thanks

20:13 <ilovegizmos> maaaan, blasted lowercase letters and fedora being anal about it

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20:52 * KathrynM yawns

20:53 <xcamel> wb

20:53 <KathrynM> thx

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20:58 <Didactylos> KathrynM: you do a lot of troubleshooting.

20:58 <xcamel> PoV.. ilovegizmos is looking for you over on the other channel

20:58 <Didactylos> Do you want to say what you think of the new troubleshooting page in the mailing list?

21:00 <KathrynM> Didactylos, not so much anymore.  No time really.

21:00 <KathrynM> But I'll take a peek at it (woo hoo for Election Day!)

21:00 <Didactylos> Cheers.

21:01 <KathrynM> errr...  after I address the three sticky notes attached to the other computer ;)

21:01 <KathrynM> woo hoo for days off?

21:01 <KathrynM> I was going to wander around Shinae (old downtown) but it's supposed to rain.

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21:10 <PovAddict> argh

21:10 <PovAddict> Misfit keeps trying to add me as a friend on multiple projects

21:11 <KathrynM> me too

21:11 <xcamel> good read >>

21:11 <Romulus> <> (at

21:12 <PovAddict> &web title

21:12 <Romulus> <> (at

21:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: Prof Peter Higgs interview: Smashing atoms at CERN and the hunt for the 'God' particle - Telegraph

21:12 <KathrynM> woo hoo, I got a depspid

21:13 <xcamel> cool

21:13 <xcamel> I started doing some milkyway

21:15 * KathrynM wonders if the credit hounds have started leaving cosmo since credits got cut again.

21:15 <xcamel> cosmo crashes too much

21:19 <Tank_Master> bummer

21:21 <zombie67> yeah, with the limit of one, there were several hundered waiting in the queue to send

21:23 <zombie67> just had my carpets cleaned.  So I am sitting in the kitchen table for the evening.  ugh

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21:25 <zombie67> Heh.  The Formula BOINC folks are a bit conflicted.  On one hand, AI is "blacklisted".  On the other, they are still issuing points.

21:26 <KathrynM> why is it blacklisted?

21:26 <zombie67> bu bu bu but!  They may be a commercial entity!!

21:26 <zombie67> bah

21:26 <zombie67> who cares?

21:26 <zombie67> are they doing science?

21:26 <KathrynM> where did they get that from?

21:26 <zombie67> yes

21:26 <zombie67> Thierry

21:27 <xcamel> 'lo zombie

21:27 <zombie67> hi x!

21:27 * Tank_Master is listening to: Dido (Armin van Buuren Universal Religion Remix)

21:27 <zombie67> "I think it's not clear for them. They don't like this project very much because you get paid ( or could be paid, I don't know exactly) for the work done. If it's true it's very really in the BOINC idea.

21:27 <zombie67> When money arrives .... you know!"

21:28 <xcamel> egg-zactly

21:28 <xcamel> someone was listening to me...

21:28 <zombie67> as far as I know, they aren't paying *me* anything

21:29 <zombie67> and if they use the research for profit, bully for them.

21:29 <xcamel> is einstein FUBAR at the moment?

21:29 <xcamel> oh.. there it goes..

21:29 <xcamel> a bit slow tonight

21:30 <PovAddict> well, getting money doesn't immediately imply "profit"

21:30 <PovAddict> SETI admins get paid

21:30 <zombie67> I look at it like this:  Say a drug company uses BOINC to develop a drug to cure cancer, and then sell it for profit.  Why should that be a negative.  I, or a loved one, may NEED that drug to live.  I will have helped save a life.

21:32 <xcamel> because academics are communists at heart.

21:32 <PovAddict> Formula BOINC guys are academics?

21:32 <zombie67> And if there were never any profit, the drug would never have been developed.  And if BOINC weren't used, it may have been too expensive to develope.

21:33 <zombie67> no, they're French

21:33 <xcamel> they hate free enterprise, and competition that can make them look bad..

21:33 <zombie67> Of course, AI is not developing drugs, but the principle is the same.

21:33 <xcamel> academics are the creators of boinc

21:34 <zombie67> oh man!  the stink that happened on the BS forum when Eternity2 came along!

21:34 <xcamel> and why does DA get all steamed when another project gives better credit then seti?

21:35 <zombie67> not because it would never pay out, but because MONEY was involved!

21:35 <zombie67> *E*V*I*L* money!!

21:35 <xcamel> god forbid..

21:35 <Tank_Master> lol

21:36 <xcamel> never stops them from begging for it 24/7/365

21:38 <BiteAbleKat>

21:38 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Young@Heart sing 'Schizophrenia' by Sonic Youth (at

21:38 <zombie67> Money makes all BOINC happen anyway.  Evil Coprorations -> Employ/Pay cruncher -> Buy machines/Pay electricity/Pay ISP -> Run BOINC -> contribute to science

21:40 <KathrynM> Does this make sense?

21:40 <KathrynM> Of all problems, what worries me the most is the rise of sea levels.

21:40 <CoderForLife> nighty night

21:40 <KathrynM> {don't even ask}

21:40 <KathrynM> night CoderForLife

21:40 <xcamel> I still say you should be able to spend boinc credits on cool hardware to make your box faster...

21:40 <KathrynM> :)

21:41 <Soul_keeper>      does this worry you KathrynM ?  carbon hotspots

21:41 <Romulus> <> (at

21:41 <KathrynM> I'm editing a speech a student is doing in a competition

21:41 <xcamel> AGW is baloney.

21:41 * KathrynM grumbles

21:41 <KathrynM> what a way to spend my day off

21:41 <zombie67> I'm not too worried.  Water levels have been higher, and lower.  change is inevitable.

21:41 <KathrynM> I just want to know if the sentence sounds ok.  I don't give a crap about what it says.

21:41 <xcamel> change is constant

21:42 <Soul_keeper> we now have the highest co2 levels in like 200 million years apparently

21:42 <KathrynM> ha!  tell that to the folks whining and moaning on the forums

21:42 <xcamel> that's BS too.

21:42 <xcamel> the numbers are being faked for political gain...

21:42 <Romulus> take some big cells to your wrapper?

21:42 <zombie67> it's a neat video.

21:42 <KathrynM> eek.  sorry, didn't mean to spark a debate here

21:43 <zombie67> doesn't really tell you anything meaningful.

21:43 <zombie67> I started working from home about the same time I started crunching in ernest.  it's a wash.

21:43 <zombie67> ;)

21:44 <xcamel> CO2 is only .0017% of the atmosphere, yet is vital to plantlife.

21:44 <zombie67> That giant blazing ball in the sky will have more impact on our envirnment than we ever can or will.

21:45 <xcamel> want real catastrophic warming - start talking about water vapor...

21:45 <zombie67> do what you can, conviently, and move on with your life

21:45 <zombie67> exactly

21:45 <zombie67> kinda hard to control THAT

21:46 <KathrynM>

21:46 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 977773 (at

21:46 <KathrynM> can someone read this and see if anything is awkward.

21:48 <zombie67> taking forever to load

21:48 <nickuwo> anyone know anything about group theory in here? #math is busy :)

21:48 <KathrynM> I know group therapy :-)

21:48 <KathrynM> but not group theory

21:48 <nickuwo> hehe

21:48 <nickuwo> I'll let you know if I have problems in that area :)

21:49 <KathrynM> I never said which side of the couch I was on ;)

21:49 <xcamel> cute, but unfortunate that the kids are being brainwashed.

21:49 <KathrynM> heh, she didn't write it.  her Korean charge teacher did

21:49 <zombie67> still loading

21:49 <KathrynM> I'm the lucky schmuck who gets to edit it.

21:49 <xcamel> gw is the new chinese water torture..

21:50 <Soul_keeper> bush cryed today

21:50 <Soul_keeper> giving a medal of honor to a marine that jumped on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers

21:51 <nickuwo> that speech kicks ass

21:51 <nickuwo> not bush's, the little girl

21:51 <nickuwo> ''s

21:52 <KathrynM> I'll pass that message along to Jeanie (the Korean teacher who wrote it)

21:52 <zombie67> going back only 50 years distorts te data

21:52 <zombie67> go back 100, and it's almost no change

21:52 <zombie67> there was a mini- cool down early 20th century

21:54 <zombie67>

21:54 <Romulus> Title: Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

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21:54 <xcamel> and the 'little ice age" in or during the dark ages..

21:54 <PovAddict> what I hate is people saying there is no global warning and using that as an excuse to keep polluting

21:54 <xcamel> red herring conclusion

21:55 <PovAddict> MISFIT FFS

21:55 <xcamel> gw does not "equal" pollution

21:55 * PovAddict declines friendship request on POEM@Home

21:55 <zombie67>

21:55 <Romulus> <> (at

21:55 <nickuwo> whether or not there is global warming, I'm digging the *slight* change that is happening in response to it

21:55 <zombie67> of course it is warming!

21:56 <PovAddict> zombie67: my point is that even if there is no global warming, we should try not to pollute

21:56 <zombie67> Pov:  Of course not.

21:56 <xcamel> btw - a new astronomic theory about the 'little ice age" - we were going through a 'dust lane' of our arm of the milkyway..

21:56 <PovAddict> zombie67: ...that looks like a double negative, clarify? :)

21:56 <zombie67> but that chart is very telling.

21:56 <xcamel> cutting down the sunlight reaching earth by about 3%

21:57 <zombie67> we started warming LONG before the industrial revolution

21:57 <zombie67> can't balme THAT on cars

21:57 <zombie67> blame

21:57 <xcamel> but off with me...

21:57 <xcamel> um.. er...

21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

21:57 <zombie67> Pov:  I agree, we should avoid polluting when possible

21:57 <zombie67> cya!

21:58 <KathrynM> ok, speech sent to jeannie.  I'm going to jump in the shower and go out and enjoy my day off.

21:58 <zombie67> the challenge is "when possible"

21:58 <zombie67> and at what cost?

21:58 <zombie67> HF!

21:59 <PovAddict> ah that's it *closes online dictionary*

21:59 <PovAddict> all I know is that if I go to downtown, when I blow my nose it comes out black, why could that be?

22:00 <zombie67> pollution

22:00 <zombie67> what is the source?

22:02 <zombie67> IMO:  All power plants in the US should be converted to nuclear (almost all are fossle fuels, mostly coal).

22:03 <zombie67> Save the fossle fuels for cars, that don't have an alternative yet.

22:03 <BiteAbleKat> al i know is baby legs make fantastic arm warmers, and come in such an array of colors

22:04 <PovAddict> nuclear? hell no

22:04 * BiteAbleKat flics her hair

22:04 <zombie67> but the same greenies that poo-poo fossle fuel power plants protest the alternative.

22:04 <zombie67> nuclear is completely clean power.

22:04 <PovAddict> sure...

22:04 <zombie67> and safe

22:04 <PovAddict> depends on your definition of "pollution" and "safe"

22:05 <zombie67> Dig a deap hole, put the wase in it.  Safe.

22:05 <zombie67> we have one already dug

22:06 <zombie67> EVERY kind of energy creation has a trade-off.

22:06 <zombie67> do you want clean air or not?

22:06 <PovAddict> what's the cost of a nuclear plant compared to equivalent windmills?

22:06 <zombie67> Where is there wind all the time?

22:07 <zombie67> we have those about 50 mile from her.  they cover the hillsides like giant robot trees

22:08 <zombie67> the same greenies who demanded them are trying to have them torn down.  They kill wildlife.  They aren't very effieicnt, and have never paid their installation costs.

22:09 <zombie67> And how do you store that power?

22:09 <zombie67> In dirty batteries?

22:10 <zombie67> it's a no-win situation.

22:11 <BiteAbleKat>

22:11 <Romulus> <> (at

22:14 <zombie67> pov:  my opinion on FAQs:  In general, they rarely answer my questions, so I have learned to ignore them.  Better to ask someone.

22:16 <PovAddict> well, my opinion was just against using the forum for that

22:16 <PovAddict> since you're such a usenetter, what do you think of a post that gets edited all the time? that *is* abusing it as a wiki page...

22:16 <zombie67> agreed.  and ANOTHER forume section that no one will ever see?  ugh

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22:29 <zombie67>

22:29 <Romulus> Title: Virtual Prairie (at

22:29 <zombie67> they have a link for message boards now

22:29 <zombie67> but no boards yet

22:30 <nickuwo> hmm, I'm not running synergy but I can move my mouse across desktops...

22:30 <nickuwo> trippy

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