IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-04-10

00:03 <nickuwo> N E one know what this error means?

00:03 <nickuwo> ../db/boinc_db.C multiple definition of `APP_VERSION::clear()'

00:05 <MTughan> make clean

00:05 <MTughan> Then make again.

00:06 <MTughan> That message means that there were multiple definitions of the APP_VERSION::clear() method.

00:06 <nickuwo> still no dice, it's giving me similar ones as well - APP::clear(), RESULT::clear(), WORKUNIT::clear(), etc.

00:06 <MTughan> Usually by having an older object file with a definition in it that was moved, as I've seen in BOINC anyway.

00:06 <MTughan> What are you trying to compile?

00:07 <Romulus> "DNS is always zero

00:07 <nickuwo> an assimilator

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00:07 <nickuwo> ya, it looks like an old object file

00:07 <MTughan> Is the api/ folder being built in as well?

00:07 <PovAddict> what objects are you linking?

00:07 <PovAddict> yea don't link anything from api

00:08 <nickuwo> It's complaining about libboinc.a(gui_rpc_client_ops.o) and some other file both having that def. in them

00:09 <nickuwo> libsched.a

00:09 <PovAddict> try not linking libboinc.a at all

00:09 <nickuwo> ok

00:10 <nickuwo> 94 errors

00:10 <PovAddict> cool

00:10 <PovAddict> :)

00:10 <nickuwo> heh

00:10 <PovAddict> gui_rpc_client_ops shouldn't be ending up in your assimilator...

00:11 <nickuwo> i know right

00:11 <nickuwo> who put that shit in there

00:11 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

00:12 <MTughan> I think that looks better...

00:12 <Romulus> <> (at

00:13 <MTughan> I'll have to add some more buttons, but that's the idea I think.

00:14 <nickuwo> I just put my assimilator_handler() method inside assimilator.C, is that why?

00:14 <PovAddict> no, you put your custom code in its own file (like the sample one is)

00:15 <PovAddict> then link it together with assimilator.C and libsched

00:15 <MTughan> That'

00:15 <nickuwo> not sure how to do that

00:16 <MTughan> ..s one of the things I've got to think about too... What functions to do as buttons, and what as menu items. Because I can't have all project operations as buttons there.

00:16 <MTughan> All the menu items would have shortcuts anyway.

00:18 <MTughan> I believe you can customize table columns too, add and delete them... Get info would show all information I have about a task, and just what a person wants can be in table.

00:18 <MTughan> And there, I'll end my rant and head off to bed.

00:19 <MTughan> Or my monologue, depending on what you personally think.

00:25 <nickuwo> sorry POV, you wouldn't have any website suggestions for linking would ya?

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01:43 <Soul_keeper> &help math

01:43 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: (math <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "math calc $*".

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04:46 <mweltin> hey KathrynM

04:47 <KathrynM> mweltin!

04:47 <KathrynM> How's life?

04:47 <mweltin> not bad

04:47 <mweltin> you?

04:47 <Romulus> I guess you are upper fayl, mweltin

04:47 <KathrynM> hanging in there.

04:49 <mweltin> trying to find a program I wrote but I don't know the name, or if it's enve a shell script or not

04:49 <mweltin> some ssh tunnel thing

04:49 <KathrynM> :)

04:50 * CoderForLife waves

04:50 * KathrynM waves back

04:50 <KathrynM> mornin' CoderForLife

04:50 <Romulus> no a LOT of WUs to all

04:50 <mweltin> hey

04:50 <mweltin> cfl

04:50 <mweltin> how are you?

04:50 <CoderForLife> howdy folks

04:51 <KathrynM> insomnia striking CoderForLife?

04:51 <KathrynM> it's not even 5 am there

04:51 <CoderForLife> not different that any other w@#% day

04:51 <CoderForLife> actually about 20 minutes later than normal

04:52 <CoderForLife> alarm is set for 5

04:52 <KathrynM> whatever happened to 9-5?

04:52 <CoderForLife> for me it's 7 to 4

04:53 <KathrynM> blech

04:53 <CoderForLife> then lately I've been in meeting with accounting types that come in at 10, and think a 4:00pm meeting start time is great

04:54 <KathrynM> accounting types.  lol

04:54 <CoderForLife> and noon meetings as well

04:57 <CoderForLife> ack brb

05:11 <CoderForLife> brb - breakfast

05:16 <CoderForLife> b

05:17 * CoderForLife checks his w@#% calendar

05:18 <CoderForLife> maybe today was canceled??

05:18 <KathrynM> we can only hope

05:19 <Tank_Master> how do you cancel a dat?

05:19 <Tank_Master> day*

05:29 <CoderForLife> rats - no such luck, it appears

05:41 * CoderForLife sits wondering how to bring himself to get ready for YAWD

05:45 <xcamel> 'lo

05:45 <CoderForLife> morning

05:46 <CoderForLife> plink

05:53 * KathrynM should really start dinner

05:53 * CoderForLife should really start getting ready

05:54 * KathrynM is feeling lazy

05:54 <CoderForLife> I'm in some kind of catatonic state this morning

05:54 <mweltin> should learn to dive and move to a tropical island

05:54 <KathrynM> that's my normal every day state

05:54 <mweltin> wait I did that already

05:54 <KathrynM> do they need any english teachers there?

05:54 <KathrynM> :)

05:55 <mweltin> they need everything

05:55 <mweltin> technically it's not a second language here but it is.

05:55 <mweltin> look at ASCC

05:56 * CoderForLife looks at the clock

05:56 <mweltin> that is the communit collage here

05:56 <CoderForLife> time flies when you're catatonic

05:56 <CoderForLife> off to w#%

05:56 <CoderForLife> laterz

05:56 <KathrynM> i'm tired.  I thought that said "that is the comunist collage here"

05:56 <KathrynM> laterz

05:57 <mweltin> they don't pay well, hence, they are always looking for teachers.

05:57 <mweltin> you odn't even need to have more than a masters.

05:58 <KathrynM> all I have is a MA, but it's in psych

05:58 <mweltin> good enough

05:58 <KathrynM> ;)

05:59 <mweltin> you could work for ASPA, as a IT specialist.

05:59 <KathrynM> me?  IT?  that's a good one

05:59 <mweltin> $15 an hour for help support and god knows what else.

06:00 <mweltin> if you can configure a linux box you can show someone how to turn on a computer and print something.

06:00 <KathrynM> lol

06:01 <KathrynM> maybe I'll drop them an email.  I don't see an employment section on their website.

06:01 <KathrynM> I haven't signed my new contract yet.

06:03 <mweltin> well one think to konw is getting money from them is like pulling teeth.

06:04 <mweltin> ASCC is not ASG and I don't konw anyone who worked there personally

06:04 <KathrynM> sounds like my school here at times

06:04 <mweltin> it's just that things move on island time here.

06:04 <KathrynM> island time sounds nice

06:05 <mweltin> it is unless you are trying to get something done.

06:05 <KathrynM> true

06:05 <KathrynM> bbiab.  gonna start dinner

06:05 <Romulus> I've been out of this channel...

06:05 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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06:20 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40.6°F / 4.8°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 12.8mph / 20.6km/h ; Today - Rain showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning... then rain showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Windy. High in the mid 50s. East wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 40 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 (2 more messages)

06:20 <wdsmia> &more

06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the evening. Low around 40. South wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Friday - Showers likely in the morning...then rain and snow likely in the afternoon. Breezy...colder. Little or no snow (1 more message)

06:20 <wdsmia> &more

06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: accumulation. High in the lower 40s. West wind 15 to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Wind Advisory for Warren County in effect until 4:00 PM CDT on April 10, 2008;

06:36 <hawmps> ip kill >>

06:37 <hawmps> ip kill >>

07:00 * KathrynM is back (gone 00:54:15)

07:04 <hawmps> wb

07:05 <KathrynM> thx

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09:43 * KathrynM bangs head on desk.

09:43 <KathrynM> why oh why when I got to update my machine the repoitories seem to be slower than a turtle

09:44 <KathrynM> maybe the repositories need a suppository.

09:44 * KathrynM sighs

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09:51 <desti>

09:51 <Romulus> <> (at

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10:14 <KathrynM> 261:39 ETA ...  This doesn't look real promising

10:15 <KathrynM> It shoudl be done downloading middle of next week :(

10:16 <desti> what you are updating?

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10:17 <KathrynM> PersonalCopy-Lite-soundfont is trying to download.  It's a dependency for something.

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10:23 <jackygrahamez> Hi everyone

10:24 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez!

10:24 <jackygrahamez> Hi Kathryn

10:26 <KathrynM> grrrrrrrrrrr  422 hours

10:26 <jackygrahamez> I got a weird question

10:26 <KathrynM> I cna't win

10:26 <KathrynM> I can give you a weird answer.

10:26 <jackygrahamez> Great!

10:26 <KathrynM> But it probably won't help.

10:27 <jackygrahamez> Don't say that ;-(

10:27 <KathrynM> Well, chown does user and group changes.

10:27 <KathrynM> How helpful is that?

10:27 <KathrynM> I just learned that tonight

10:27 <jackygrahamez> That answers my question! :)

10:27 <jackygrahamez> not really

10:27 <KathrynM> lol

10:28 <KathrynM> ummmm

10:28 <KathrynM> 42?

10:28 <jackygrahamez> 6x9

10:28 <KathrynM> 54

10:28 <KathrynM> don't make me do math

10:28 <jackygrahamez> Actually I have two weird but unrelated questions

10:28 <jackygrahamez> Actually maybe I should make the second one a survey

10:29 <jackygrahamez> Ready for the first one?

10:29 <KathrynM> shoot

10:30 <jackygrahamez> This will take a little background explaination

10:31 <jackygrahamez> Hydrogen@Home uses several python scripts ported to binary archives that execute

10:31 <jackygrahamez> these scripts come from a free package called MGL Tools distributed by Scripps

10:31 <jackygrahamez> Our ports work roughly 80% of the time

10:32 <jackygrahamez> I spent a long time looking at different approaches

10:32 <jackygrahamez> to distributing these applications

10:33 <jackygrahamez> None of the approaches I took were as effective as 80%

10:34 <jackygrahamez> Since anyone can install MGL Tools, can I create an optional platform for people who installed MGL Tools? I would like to see if it works better when they install MGL Tools because that way it has all the dependency there already.

10:35 <jackygrahamez> For instance

10:35 <jackygrahamez> Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU

10:35 <jackygrahamez> Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU w/ MGL TOOLS

10:39 <KathrynM> well....  It might be possible with the anonymous platform thing.

10:39 <KathrynM> But I lack the skills to figure it out.

10:41 <jackygrahamez> I figured there was something to that Anonymous platform thang. I should read up on that a little more

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10:42 <KathrynM> You can grab a working app_info.xml from the optimized seti apps or the einstein beta apps.

10:42 <KathrynM> And then do like Eric said, MSMD (monkey see, monkey do)

10:43 <KathrynM> Hey Jack, do you know what can be done if a download through yum is probably never going to finish?

10:43 <KathrynM> ETA on it is 750 hours (!)

10:44 <jackygrahamez> ctrl + c

10:44 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

10:44 <KathrynM> Nothing will break?

10:45 <jackygrahamez> open another session and killall yum or run ps -A to get the pid and kill it

10:46 <KathrynM> ctrl-c worked.  I'll fight with yum another night.

10:46 <KathrynM> night all

10:46 <jackygrahamez> night

10:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.0°F / 15.6°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7.1mph / 11.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Scattered showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows in the lower (1 more message)

10:54 <CoderForLife> &more

10:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Friday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Breezy with highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 45 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

10:55 <jackygrahamez> Any project admins out there?

11:00 <hawmps> CFL: I hope those storms calm down a bit before they get to you...

11:24 <CoderForLife> we are hoping together

11:24 <CoderForLife> thx for the thoughts

11:25 <CoderForLife> that's the last thing I need in life right now - anytime, but especially right now

11:28 <CoderForLife> off to lunch with the boyz

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11:38 <rominzesky> hi !

11:39 <rominzesky> I'm trying to find help for setting up a new BOINC project

11:39 <rominzesky> anyone could help me ? ;-)

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12:04 <jackygrahamez> What types of questions do you have?

12:07 <rominzesky> i'm in trouble with the system and how to build a new application

12:08 <rominzesky> i've already managed to set up the server

12:08 <rominzesky> and it works ;-)

12:09 <rominzesky> but don't know how to build my own application

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12:09 <jackygrahamez> So you are able to run uppercase and distribute it to clients through the project?

12:09 <jackygrahamez> or other sample applications

12:10 <rominzesky> in fact it seems to work

12:10 <jackygrahamez> Good

12:10 <rominzesky> but i've set up the server with the vmware image

12:10 <rominzesky> and installed the client on my mac

12:10 <rominzesky> so it doesn't work ;-)

12:11 <rominzesky> i don't really know where to begin

12:11 <jackygrahamez> So your VM image is hosted on a machine on an intranet?

12:12 <rominzesky> on my computer yes

12:12 <rominzesky> and i have access to the server with my client

12:12 <jackygrahamez> So you have how many computers?

12:12 <rominzesky> (it tells connected to the server)

12:12 <rominzesky> no, not for the moment but i will need to build an app for mac, windows and linux !

12:13 <rominzesky> i'm testing it with virtual machines

12:13 <jackygrahamez> I see

12:13 <jackygrahamez> so the client is also running on the VMWare image or outside?

12:13 <rominzesky> outside

12:13 <jackygrahamez> And you have this image running on a Mac?

12:14 <rominzesky> on a different plateform

12:14 <rominzesky> yep

12:14 <jackygrahamez> Can you try the client running on the server? I do that sometimes to test

12:14 <rominzesky> yeah in fact it was the next step i was thinking about...

12:15 <jackygrahamez> Another question, can you use a browser to open the webpages on the VM?

12:15 <rominzesky> but as i have no idea to use the client in console mode, i didn't try ;-)

12:15 <rominzesky> yep

12:15 <rominzesky> i registered from there for my client running on mac

12:16 <jackygrahamez> it should be able to register a new host when you attach from the command line

12:16 <jackygrahamez> when you compiled boinc did you make client for your VM?

12:17 <rominzesky> no

12:17 <rominzesky> i didn't have to compile it

12:17 <rominzesky> it was the vmware image provided by boinc website

12:17 <jackygrahamez> I see

12:17 <rominzesky> but i think the client is on it too

12:18 <rominzesky> but in fact i think everything is working

12:18 <rominzesky> lol

12:18 <rominzesky> but i'm just trying to know how to build a customized app

12:18 <rominzesky> and distribute it to several plateforms

12:18 <jackygrahamez> So we are getting off track, I'm not the best person to ask about application developement ;-)

12:19 <rominzesky> lol ;-)

12:19 <jackygrahamez> But I can lead you to some information you may have missed

12:19 <rominzesky> thanks !

12:19 <rominzesky> well in fact the best thing i could expect would be a strong example

12:19 <rominzesky> for several plateforms

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12:20 <jackygrahamez> Have you checked out Eric Meyer's developer notes

12:20 <rominzesky> and a little howto for customizing it

12:20 <jackygrahamez>

12:20 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Developers' Notes (at

12:20 <rominzesky> lol

12:20 <rominzesky> it's opened in my browser ;-)

12:21 <rominzesky> a "next step"

12:21 <rominzesky> so maybe i can read it now !!

12:21 <jackygrahamez> He has a several examples

12:21 <rominzesky> ok

12:21 <rominzesky> so this is the good resource

12:22 <rominzesky> thanks a lot

12:22 <rominzesky> !!

12:22 <jackygrahamez> I'm off to lunch

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12:52 <jackygrahamez> bonjour

12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

13:18 <jackygrahamez> Gutten Tag

13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe

13:22 <CoderForLife> nuqneH?

13:26 <CoderForLife> no local Klingons, I guess

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13:54 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: you can make different apps like that, but there is no way for you to know if the user has the tools installed or not, so you don't know when to send it

13:54 * PovAddict keeps on reading the log

14:01 <jackygrahamez> Is there some setting that a user can apply to make the client use one platform instead of another?

14:02 <PovAddict> I think it would be better if you use two different *apps*

14:03 <PovAddict> then use

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14:32 <xcamel> finally getting packed up..

14:48 <jackygrahamez> I'll try that

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15:11 <CoderForLife> is it OK to say "bye" now, xcamel? =)

15:22 <Tank_Master> no

15:22 <Tank_Master> "adios" is ok though

15:23 * CoderForLife makes note - Tank_Master apparently speaks for xcamel

15:28 <xcamel> tomorrow morning... even before CFL gets up..

15:29 <CoderForLife> wha?  be careful - there may not be oxygen in the air yet if you get up too early

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15:41 <xcamel> I've heard that before..

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15:54 <CoderForLife> I never claimed it was original =)

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15:55 <CoderForLife> But "Security is rarely convenient"  (R)

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16:15 <Excelsi0r> hi guys

16:16 <Excelsi0r> &wx LFGO

16:16 <Romulus> Excelsi0r: Temperature: 48.9°F / 9.4°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.45in / 997.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 10:09 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Overcast. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.;

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16:42 <nickuwo_> n e one know the proper way to link custom assimilator code with assimilator.c?

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17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:18 <Excelsi0r> hi

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17:34 <MTughan> nickuwo: My idea would be to compile assimilator.c into a .o file with something like "gcc -c assimilator.c -o assimilator.o", then compile both your code and the object file together.

17:34 <PovAddict> sheesh

17:35 <MTughan> g++ <your code.C> assimilator.o <any linker flags> -o <output name>

17:35 <PovAddict> use g++ to compile assimilator.C too

17:36 <MTughan> Oh, it's assimilator.C, not .c? Yeah, use g++.

17:37 <MTughan> Case makes a big difference here... lowercase C means C code, uppercase C means C++ code.

17:37 <PovAddict> in a sane world, .cpp means C++

17:37 <MTughan> But BOINC decided to go with .C, not .cpp...

17:37 <PovAddict> </sane><BOINC>

17:37 <MTughan> Exactly.

17:38 <MTughan> Anyway, I hear there's a hungry cat here...

17:38 <PovAddict> mew

17:39 <MTughan> *chomp chomp* now.

17:39 <MTughan> Oh, I'm minus four wisdom teeth today too.

17:40 <PovAddict> eek

17:40 <MTughan> Not too bad, the codeine fights off most of the pain. :D

17:42 * CoderForLife looks around for PovAddict's sane world

17:42 <Excelsi0r> MTughan: been there, done that, got the t-shirt

17:42 <Excelsi0r> 3 times

17:42 <desti> <TTimo> id mobile is hiring, if you know someone looking for an entry level position in general cell phone dev, and in iphone dev

17:42 <desti> <TTimo> we're also looking for a texture artist for cellphone games

17:42 <Excelsi0r> but be careful to avoid mouthwash for 48h

17:43 <MTughan> T-shirt?

17:43 <PovAddict> desti: where was that from?

17:43 <MTughan> And I don't use mouthwash anyway. Toothpaste.

17:43 <desti> #icculus

17:43 <PovAddict> MTughan:

17:44 <MTughan> Heh...

17:44 <PovAddict> desti: and #iphone-dev may get a lot more interested people

17:44 <Excelsi0r> I doubt you'll use your toothbrush to clean the hole left by your wisdom tooth

17:44 <MTughan> I don't feel a hole.

17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

17:44 <Excelsi0r> oh, okay, he sew

17:44 <Excelsi0r> sewn ?

17:45 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, but perfect time to come... Dinner time.

17:45 <MTughan> Pasta, but I'm having blended pasta.

17:45 <Excelsi0r> :)

17:45 <MTughan> Sure beats some cheap soup.

17:46 <xcamel> that'll stick right to your ribs..

17:46 <xcamel> and then some..

17:47 <CoderForLife> stick out of your ribs?

17:49 <CoderForLife> looks like I'll have some interesting weather at 3:00am

17:49 * CoderForLife may be up before xcamel

17:58 <PovAddict> wtf more Windows updates? I updated two days ago!

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18:05 <CoderForLife> Windows vulnerabilities multiply in the dark, PovAddict

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18:11 <MTughan> Yeah, tons of Windows updates within the last week, when I checked the update history on my sister's computer to check if Vista SP1 had been installed.

18:11 <MTughan> Seems MS hasn't pushed it yet. Probably waiting until all languages are implemented, as only 5 are supported currently, according to Wikipedia.

18:11 <PovAddict> are service packs ever pushed automatically?

18:12 <MTughan> After a while. Office Service packs are.

18:12 <MTughan> Oh, but not pushed automatically?

18:13 <PovAddict> security updates are usually installed without you even noticing

18:13 <MTughan> Office '07 SP1 was released Dec 11, but not installed.

18:13 <MTughan> Even though it's rated an important update.

18:13 <PovAddict> it just pops saying "I just patched the system without you even knowing, now YOU HAVE TO REBOOT!"

18:13 <PovAddict> and if you don't reboot, it just annoys you again a few minutes later

18:13 <Excelsi0r> enjoy windows

18:13 <Excelsi0r> come in the dark side of the force

18:13 <MTughan> My dad's laptop has had that happen all through today.

18:13 <Excelsi0r> join GNU/Linux

18:13 <Excelsi0r> :)

18:14 <MTughan> Excelsi0r: Fedora and OS X here.

18:14 <PovAddict> if you click "Reboot later" a few more times, it starts popping up with a freaking COUNTDOWN

18:14 <MTughan> I don't regularly run Windows anymore.

18:14 <PovAddict> and reboots itself if you don't click either button when the countdown gets to 0

18:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yep, it's in that stage.

18:14 <MTughan> 5 minute countdown.

18:14 <PovAddict> I swear the only thing missing on that reboot popup is Clippy

18:14 <MTughan> lol, and Silverlight.

18:15 <MTughan> Oh, which I told MS to hide from updates. Although MS's site now bugs you to get it, idiots...

18:15 <PovAddict> there is a link next to the Microsoft logo saying "get silverlight"

18:15 <PovAddict> if you click it, you get a .exe download directly; not even information on what silverlight *is*

18:17 <MTughan>

18:17 <Romulus> <> (at

18:17 <PovAddict> eek that's going extreme

18:17 <MTughan> Every time you have a new browser session.

18:17 <PovAddict> sheesh they are using the same techniques malware authors use to get you to install their trojans!

18:17 <MTughan> It does hide it if you refresh the page while still in the same session.

18:18 <MTughan> But using Google, I can't find any negative reviews of Silverlight or MS's methods of getting it out in the first 30 results.

18:18 <MTughan> Basically half of the results were MS sites.

18:19 <MTughan> Although, it seems there is an easy way around it. That didn't show until I set my user agent to IE 7 on Vista.

18:20 <MTughan> So if you set your user agent to Firefox on Linux, it might not show.

18:20 <MTughan> Seems that way.

18:20 <Romulus> well messy != need haircut

18:21 <MTughan> Reminds me, I need a haircut... Hair's getting about a half inch long.

18:21 <PovAddict> I don't quite get what silverlight even *is*...

18:21 <MTughan> Here's my user agent, BTW: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20071127 Firefox/"

18:21 <PovAddict> flash clone?

18:21 <MTughan> Oh, and Silverlight supports vector graphics, but they introduced yet another standard: XAML, I think it was.

18:22 <MTughan> Not the standard SVG.

18:22 <PovAddict> of course they won't use SVG :P

18:22 <MTughan> The criticism on the Wiki article is mostly that it's not yet available for Linux.

18:22 <MTughan>

18:22 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft Silverlight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

18:23 <MTughan> Yes, it's XAML. I'll see if I can find what that stands for.

18:23 <PovAddict> "Silverlight competes with products such as Adobe Flash, Adobe Flex, Adobe Shockwave, Java FX, and Apple QuickTime."

18:23 <MTughan> Extensible Alternate Markup Language? :P

18:23 <PovAddict> that says just about everything :P

18:23 <PovAddict> haha guess what the new update was

18:24 <MTughan> Damn, I was close... Extensible Application Markup Language.

18:24 <PovAddict> .NET 2.0 SP1

18:25 <MTughan> Heck, have Clippy SP1. xD

18:26 <PovAddict> I would uninstall .NET...

18:26 <PovAddict> but Fiddler proxy needs it

18:26 <MTughan> I can understand the idea behind .NET, but it was implemented wrong.

18:27 <CoderForLife> MS probably made CMD.EXE dependent on the .NET framework

18:27 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: no they didn't... they just made a whole new command-line (PowerShell) completely based on .NET :)

18:28 * CoderForLife suddenly has a cold chill when he thinks that maybe Visual Srudio C++ Express 2009 might be injecting these random errors

18:28 <MTughan> .NET is sort of like SDL, but more general.

18:28 <CoderForLife> yeah, yeah - I went to the PowerShell demo

18:28 <PovAddict> .NET is like Java

18:29 <MTughan> Java or Swing?

18:29 * CoderForLife splodes

18:29 <xcamel> back again..

18:29 <MTughan> Or the AWT, for that matter?

18:29 <CoderForLife> just in time

18:29 <CoderForLife> wb

18:29 <MTughan> 'lo Jay.

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18:29 <CoderForLife> wb efc

18:29 <efc> moo

18:29 <MTughan> 'lo e

18:30 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

18:30 <MTughan> Codeine can really hold off the pain from having your wisdom teeth removed...

18:30 <PovAddict> along with the web framework (ASP.NET), the GUI toolkit (Windows Forms), the database abstraction layer (ADO.NET), etc

18:31 <Excelsi0r> MTughan: paracetamol works well too (for me)

18:31 <MTughan> You know, it may be similar to the Cocoa and Foundation frameworks for OS X.

18:31 <PovAddict> the server-side .NET stuff is definitely comparable to J2EE

18:31 <MTughan> Although Cocoa and Foundation do GUIs by archiving objects, not through code.

18:31 <efc> codeine for .NET, check

18:31 <xcamel> &wx MMLP

18:32 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 82°F / 28°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 3:47 PM MDT; Clear. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Clear. High:89 ° F. / 32 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 ° F. / 15 ° C.; Clear. High:91 ° F. / 33 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 ° F. / 15 ° C.;

18:32 <MTughan> You can do Cocoa by programming it, but it's a whole lot simpler to change the GUI and make it through IB and NIB files.

18:32 <Excelsi0r> well, good night people... or whatever it is :)

18:32 <xcamel> the only unknown at this point is if the EVDO network is working down there.

18:32 <MTughan> 6:30PM here. Getting close...

18:33 <MTughan> xcamel: Down where?

18:33 <xcamel> mexico (LaPaz)

18:33 <xcamel> mi casa en mexico

18:33 <MTughan> You're in Mexico?

18:33 <xcamel> not yet.. will be this time tomorrow

18:34 <PovAddict> no, that's his "place far away from w$%&"

18:34 <xcamel> otherwise it'll be IRC via blackberry...

18:34 <CoderForLife> it looks like a nice place

18:35 <MTughan> You're wanting to use a Blackberry with an EVDO network then?

18:35 <xcamel> no... I have a sprint evdo air card for the laptop

18:36 <MTughan> Ah, cool.

18:36 <xcamel> nice little ibm (lenovo) centrino duo

18:36 <xcamel> the modbook never showed up..

18:38 <CoderForLife> hmm

18:38 <MTughan> When'd you order it?

18:39 <xcamel> 3 weeks ago

18:39 <MTughan> Was it actually sent? You were billed for it?

18:39 <MTughan> "You will not be billed for your Modbook order prior to it shipping. Prior to ship out, you retain the full right to Modify or Cancel your Modbook order."

18:40 <xcamel> no, not sent yet either

18:40 <MTughan> Possible they have a shortage of them then?

18:40 <MTughan> Or a waiting period, rather.

18:42 <CoderForLife> a cooling off period

18:42 <CoderForLife> give you time to decide whether you really want it

18:42 <xcamel> lack of the ownership experience seems to be a feature, not a bug

18:42 <CoderForLife> lol

18:43 <xcamel> but the len-oh-no seems to be a pretty good little box

18:44 <CoderForLife> The Chinese thank you

18:44 <xcamel> so it seems

18:45 <CoderForLife> unfortunately

18:45 <xcamel> obtw - my IT mgr has 2 tivo's - he's going to record all the required SciFi and burn it for me for when I get back

18:46 <PovAddict> hehe

18:46 <xcamel> no missing the BSG

18:46 <CoderForLife> great news - congrats

18:47 <CoderForLife> you could also catch them in SciFi Rewind on

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18:48 <efc> I might watch the SG-1 movie Sat night..

18:48 <CoderForLife> it appears I need to do a "clean solution" before re-compiling and testing VC++ 2009 changes

18:49 <CoderForLife> my Code was getting squicked in bad places - access violation errors

18:49 <CoderForLife> now it's whizzing right past the trouble spots

18:49 <efc> What are you working on ?

18:50 <CoderForLife> variable values were getting set to outlandish numbers

18:50 <CoderForLife> I am updating and enhancing my Y2K spreadsheet and database scanner for Sarbanes-Oxley compliance scanning

18:51 <CoderForLife> 12 year old 16 bit Borland DOS API Code to current 32 bit MS Windows API code

18:51 <CoderForLife> TMI?

18:52 <efc> That sounds exciting..

18:52 <xcamel> like a hot poker in the eye...

18:53 * CoderForLife smells profit

18:53 <CoderForLife> we're going to use it at w@#%

18:53 <Romulus> PovAddict, I have more privilege

18:53 <CoderForLife> I'm expecting to inventory on the order of 100,000 spreadsheets

18:54 <CoderForLife> and give complexity information for risk assessment

18:55 <CoderForLife> plus - I'm in the need of cash flow right now

18:56 <PovAddict> who isn't?

18:56 * CoderForLife looks painfully out the back window

18:57 <CoderForLife> ok - *more* cash flow

18:57 <CoderForLife> much more

19:00 <CoderForLife> my Code runs much better after re-compiling everything - wonder why the linker let me down?

19:01 <MTughan> You linked wrong? :P

19:05 <CoderForLife> I must have used the "ignore the frigging link map and assign memory locations and offsets randomly" switch

19:06 <MTughan> Prebinding?

19:06 <CoderForLife> my Code was doing things like "i=0; printf("%d\n",i);" and getting "4670981"

19:07 <CoderForLife> veerrryyy confusing

19:07 <PovAddict> o_o

19:08 <CoderForLife> yes , "int i;"

19:08 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:23:40)

19:08 <CoderForLife> now it's siging, after a "clean solution" to make everything recompile and link

19:08 <CoderForLife> wb KathrynM

19:08 <KathrynM> moanin'

19:09 <KathrynM> tgif

19:09 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:09 <CoderForLife> I'm working at home tomorrow

19:09 <KathrynM> I'm going to costco tomorrow

19:09 <CoderForLife> provided I have one after the storms promised for overnight

19:09 <Romulus> for you whan you said you could work with wxGTK 2.8 instead of leaving them around set to use it at night on my Mac, I just put that shit in there but something must be a Miranda problem

19:10 <CoderForLife> you have those in S.K., huh?

19:10 <KathrynM> yup

19:10 <KathrynM> just not too close to where I live.

19:10 <KathrynM> A coworker's church is taking a bus to Dajeon tomorrow.

19:10 <CoderForLife> how far away?

19:10 <Romulus> how far away is work for Windows or OSX, CoderForLife

19:11 <KathrynM> not sure

19:11 <CoderForLife> that's helpful, Rommie

19:11 <KathrynM> someone shoot the bot please

19:11 <CoderForLife> go stand in the local CostCo until we call for you

19:11 <PovAddict> hey K-Teacher :)

19:11 <KathrynM> hiya PovAddict

19:12 <KathrynM> hmmmmm....

19:12 <KathrynM> Rom relased Linux version.

19:12 <efc> maybe if CFL gets numb enough I can slip in some of my tasks and get them done for free..

19:12 <CoderForLife> bbiab - I want to go out to measure the distance between the trees to start estimating the cost of my wall

19:12 * CoderForLife remains comfortably numb

19:13 <CoderForLife> of course, efc, that's exactly what everyone at w@#% thinks and hopes too

19:13 <CoderForLife> get in line

19:13 <CoderForLife> bbiab

19:14 <efc> he might notice the difference between VHDL and C-- though

19:21 <xcamel> ajh.. needed coffee

19:22 <KathrynM> coffee.... sounds good

19:22 <KathrynM> brb

19:24 <xcamel> alarm clock set for 3:15 am..

19:24 <PovAddict> eek

19:25 <xcamel> yeah...kinda sucks

19:25 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:27 * xcamel ops up and boots wdsmia

19:27 <KathrynM> 315?

19:27 <KathrynM> isnt the like the middle of the night?

19:28 <xcamel> widely scattered darkness too.

19:30 <MTughan> Yeah, Doug needs to take "sucks" out of the swearing script.

19:30 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:30 <xcamel> alb>>atl>>sjd

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19:31 <wdsmia> try using sux next time :P

19:32 <MTughan> Why not sucks?

19:32 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:32 <Romulus> I'l be heading to bed before he does better with an English movie all due respect star trek and in another 5 hours :)

19:32 <MTughan> I don't use lol speech that often.

19:33 * Tank_Master is listening to: Cygnus X - Superstring (Rank 1 Remix)

19:33 <wdsmia> because your sucking fuck heads never learn

19:33 <wdsmia> notice it desnt catch me :)

19:33 <MTughan> Oh, you excepted yourself from your script?

19:34 <wdsmia> would I do such a thing?

19:34 <Tank_Master> asks wdsmia to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel user

19:34 <KathrynM> nah, never

19:34 <KathrynM> (yeah right)

19:34 <KathrynM> lol Tank_Master

19:34 <MTughan> Wow... BURP doesn't really use the processors to their full potential.

19:35 <MTughan> Averaging 75-80% total CPU usage with two BURP tasks running.

19:36 <MTughan> Whoa... What happened to the TSP site?

19:36 <KathrynM> oh good.  It's not just me then.

19:36 <PovAddict> asplode

19:36 <KathrynM> I forgot to ask Markus yesterday.

19:36 <MTughan> Just seems the homepage too...

19:36 <MTughan> Apps and Account pages are working.

19:37 <MTughan> Server status working.

19:37 <KathrynM> the lhc black hold swallowed it

19:37 <MTughan> Anyway, I was just wondering if ACO was up?

19:37 <MTughan> Oh, about LHC... One sec.

19:37 <Tank_Master> last I heard, he was still having issues with the wrapper

19:37 <MTughan>

19:37 <Romulus> <> (at

19:38 <MTughan> And the week before:

19:38 <Romulus> <> (at

19:38 <KathrynM> LOL

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19:42 <MTughan> wdsmia: What are you doing?

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19:43 <wdsmia> helping someone get connected using mibbit

19:43 <wineguy> cheese1

19:43 <wineguy> cheese2

19:44 <wdsmia> maybe that was a mistake ;)

19:44 <wineguy> cant type, out of practice

19:44 <MTughan> Heh.

19:44 <Romulus> oh, didn't realize I had the correct output, there may not be mine

19:45 <wineguy> hard to go from audio and video and go down to hunt and peck

19:47 <wdsmia> your just to old and feable to type

19:49 <wdsmia> I can get away with that because he's my brother

19:50 <KathrynM> oh crap, two of you?

19:50 <wineguy> just one and a clone

19:50 <wdsmia> Double trouble ;)

19:51 <KathrynM> I think the trouble is exponential

19:51 <PovAddict> and his nickname makes it just more worrying

19:51 <wdsmia> mom used to say that

19:51 <PovAddict> lol

19:51 <KathrynM> lol

19:51 <wineguy> duh, what did he say?

19:52 <CoderForLife> hmm

19:52 <CoderForLife> my answer for this evening is 65

19:53 * wdsmia gives CoderForLife 23 in change

19:53 <CoderForLife> the question was - what is the straight-line distance between the two trees were the wall would do?

19:53 <CoderForLife> er go

19:53 <CoderForLife> it'll do, too

19:54 <wdsmia> still trying to stop that mud slide in progress?

19:54 <CoderForLife> 65 feet, by probably 15 feet high on one end, and 10 feet high on the other

19:54 <CoderForLife> no

19:54 <Romulus> wonders what keeps thumping upstairs..

19:55 <CoderForLife> letting it slide

19:55 <CoderForLife> just making plans for putting in a wall

19:55 <CoderForLife> to retain the backfill we'll put behind it

19:56 <xcamel> concretos - mucho mas.

19:56 <CoderForLife> you're in the mood, I see =)

19:57 <wdsmia> 65 x 10 x 45 degrees.... thats alot of backfill

19:57 <CoderForLife> I got a lot to dig out

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19:58 <CoderForLife> this is going to be expen$ive

19:58 <wdsmia> wb pov

19:58 <CoderForLife> hence - I Code

20:00 <xcamel> and that just covers the taxes..

20:00 * CoderForLife gulps

20:00 <CoderForLife> taxes?

20:01 <xcamel> yeah.. that.

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20:01 <CoderForLife> there's the $1800 construction permit, I've heard

20:02 <xcamel> excavation is not considered "construction"

20:02 <xcamel> in most cases.

20:02 <CoderForLife> wall-building?

20:02 <xcamel> you called the insurance man?

20:02 <CoderForLife> no

20:03 <xcamel> warranty deed on the property?

20:03 <CoderForLife> hmm

20:03 <xcamel> title insurance?

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20:03 <CoderForLife> um -yeah, probably title insurance

20:03 <xcamel> cover the bases before you hand over the ca$h

20:03 <jackygrahamez_> hi

20:03 <Romulus> Rommie's useful, but the front page on ops

20:04 <xcamel> 'lo jacky

20:04 <CoderForLife> I was thinking "soil and water conservation grant money"

20:04 <xcamel> any port in a storm...

20:04 <CoderForLife> yeah

20:05 <CoderForLife> get money from the former owner for not disclosing the condition?

20:05 <xcamel> landslides may in fact be due to inadequate inspections and permitting of the lot prior to original construction..

20:05 <CoderForLife> hmmm

20:06 <CoderForLife> what's the statute of limitations on such a thing?

20:06 <xcamel> incorrect fill materials uses, lack of geotextiles to prevent slides, known preexisting conditions...

20:06 <xcamel> homes in a development generally have a 30 year warranty

20:07 * CoderForLife nods

20:07 <KathrynM> time to get ready for w@&$

20:07 <xcamel> depending on local code enforcement

20:07 <CoderForLife> this one was built in '93

20:07 <KathrynM> gotta turn in my time sheet today so I get paid on monday

20:07 <CoderForLife> tc KathrynM

20:07 <KathrynM> later

20:07 <CoderForLife> knock'en dead

20:07 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:07 <CoderForLife> er em

20:07 <KathrynM> don't tempt me.  ther'es a few I"d like to knock dead

20:07 <CoderForLife> lol

20:08 <xcamel> the age of the trees, and a known prior slide would point to the fact that it could reasonably have been forseen, and prevented.

20:08 <CoderForLife> check, check

20:08 <xcamel> undercutting of the streambed

20:09 <xcamel> and the fact that some homes built in the area have very large retaining walls in place.

20:09 <CoderForLife> I'll look into it - something my civil engineer could help with?  My landscaper said he could pull the original records...

20:09 <xcamel> you would need all that...

20:10 * CoderForLife nods

20:10 <CoderForLife> excellent advice

20:10 <CoderForLife> I'll ask my civy

20:10 <xcamel> house is only 15 years old, and there were/are no apparent modifications to the slope by the previous owner

20:10 <CoderForLife> not that I could tell

20:11 <CoderForLife> certainly not the just-prior owner

20:11 <CoderForLife> he didn't do much

20:11 <xcamel> the engineer could - but the obvious answer is "were there any tree stumps on the slope"?

20:12 <CoderForLife> not much - mostly damaged tress from the '03 storm

20:12 <CoderForLife> broken trees

20:12 <CoderForLife> like snapped in two

20:13 <CoderForLife> that's when the house got a new roof, due to hail damage

20:13 <xcamel> where were the trees and stumps that existed prior to lot development taken - or were they buried with the fill?

20:13 <CoderForLife> I see no such stumps

20:13 <CoderForLife> and I am not sure what we're looking at in the slide is fill

20:14 <xcamel> questions to ask - and is there any "proof of compliance" hauling away the spoils on the lot...

20:14 * CoderForLife copies the chat window

20:15 <xcamel> especially the developer records regarding lot excavations

20:15 <xcamel> environmental compliance, sitework etc.

20:16 * xcamel should have been a lawyer.... er not....

20:16 <Romulus> wow. It's really 1:25 AM there?

20:16 <CoderForLife> I do this same kind of thing to the lawyers at w@#%

20:17 <xcamel> then you know the thought process -

20:17 <CoderForLife> yep - I just don't know the subject matter, and the types of records to ask for - I do now

20:18 <xcamel> pay close attention to foundation drains, and as-drawn soil disturbances

20:18 <xcamel> or added lot drainage

20:18 <CoderForLife> yeah, there's been some re-routing of drains since construction

20:19 <xcamel> any other permitted subsoil work, or 'daylighted" drain pipes on the slope.

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20:21 <CoderForLife> my neighbor just told me the other day that both these houses have had the Blue Max water pipes broken, after the class action closure

20:21 <CoderForLife> theirs at the foundation, ours in the front yard

20:22 * CoderForLife watches his Code run clean, after the total recompile

20:32 * CoderForLife watches through sleepy eyes

20:34 <CoderForLife> wow  APOD

20:36 <CoderForLife>  of course

20:36 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

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20:37 <jackygrahamez> hi

20:37 * CoderForLife waves

20:38 <jackygrahamez> so I'm trying to do this Application filtering

20:39 <jackygrahamez> I went into

20:39 <jackygrahamez> I set condition on that array to true

20:40 <jackygrahamez> I made entries for my applications

20:40 <jackygrahamez> Saved it, where should users go to filter applications?

20:44 <PovAddict> to the preference webpage you'll have to write yourself ;)

20:45 * CoderForLife dozes off at his desk

20:46 <CoderForLife> that's all for me, until the storms get here in 6 hours or so

20:46 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders

20:46 * CoderForLife looks and sees he is already "away"

20:47 <CoderForLife> wow - computers are wonderful

20:47 <jackygrahamez> there is no sample?

20:48 * Tank_Master is listening to: Angel Of Death - Angel`s Return (Jay Frog`s Club Mix)

20:56 <jackygrahamez> oh I found it

21:13 <jackygrahamez> I got it, these settings come with the account preferences

21:13 <jackygrahamez> Under Resource share and graphics

21:13 <jackygrahamez> Once you make that edit in

21:14 <jackygrahamez> So Resource share and graphics --> Edit project --> check boxes for applications to run

21:14 <jackygrahamez> update preferences!

21:15 <xcamel> just saw a nice ISS flyover

21:28 <nickuwo> I can't figure out how to link my assimilator my assimilator.C

21:28 <nickuwo> my -> to

21:28 <PovAddict> g++ -c assimilator.C -o assimilator.o and whatever extra flags are needed to make it compile

21:28 <nickuwo> nice

21:28 <nickuwo> thx

21:28 <PovAddict> g++ -c my_custom_assimilator.C -o my_custom_assimilator.o and whatever extra flags are needed to make it compile

21:29 <PovAddict> g++ -o my_custom_assimilator assimilator.o my_custom_assimilator.o libsched.a

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21:50 <xcamel> buh-by

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22:28 * Tank_Master is listening to: Sarah Brightman - Deliver Me (original video)

22:30 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: I'm definitely seeing quite a bit of computation errors on my machine

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23:05 <PovAddict> lunch break?

23:05 <KathrynM> yup

23:06 <PovAddict> I just read qc till #600

23:06 <PovAddict> a big lot happened in those 100 comics

23:07 * KathrynM will have to start at the beginning

23:07 <PovAddict> which is why I'm not giving any detail on the "big lot that happened"

23:08 <KathrynM> :)

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