00:03 <nickuwo> N E one know what this error means?
00:03 <nickuwo> ../db/boinc_db.C multiple definition of `APP_VERSION::clear()'
00:05 <MTughan> make clean
00:05 <MTughan> Then make again.
00:06 <MTughan> That message means that there were multiple definitions of the APP_VERSION::clear() method.
00:06 <nickuwo> still no dice, it's giving me similar ones as well - APP::clear(), RESULT::clear(), WORKUNIT::clear(), etc.
00:06 <MTughan> Usually by having an older object file with a definition in it that was moved, as I've seen in BOINC anyway.
00:06 <MTughan> What are you trying to compile?
00:07 <Romulus> "DNS is always zero
00:07 <nickuwo> an assimilator
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00:07 <nickuwo> ya, it looks like an old object file
00:07 <MTughan> Is the api/ folder being built in as well?
00:07 <PovAddict> what objects are you linking?
00:07 <PovAddict> yea don't link anything from api
00:08 <nickuwo> It's complaining about libboinc.a(gui_rpc_client_ops.o) and some other file both having that def. in them
00:09 <nickuwo> libsched.a
00:09 <PovAddict> try not linking libboinc.a at all
00:09 <nickuwo> ok
00:10 <nickuwo> 94 errors
00:10 <PovAddict> cool
00:10 <PovAddict> :)
00:10 <nickuwo> heh
00:10 <PovAddict> gui_rpc_client_ops shouldn't be ending up in your assimilator...
00:11 <nickuwo> i know right
00:11 <nickuwo> who put that shit in there
00:11 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
00:12 <MTughan> I think that looks better... http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/BOINCMgrLayout.png
00:13 <MTughan> I'll have to add some more buttons, but that's the idea I think.
00:14 <nickuwo> I just put my assimilator_handler() method inside assimilator.C, is that why?
00:14 <PovAddict> no, you put your custom code in its own file (like the sample one is)
00:15 <PovAddict> then link it together with assimilator.C and libsched
00:15 <MTughan> That'
00:15 <nickuwo> not sure how to do that
00:16 <MTughan> ..s one of the things I've got to think about too... What functions to do as buttons, and what as menu items. Because I can't have all project operations as buttons there.
00:16 <MTughan> All the menu items would have shortcuts anyway.
00:18 <MTughan> I believe you can customize table columns too, add and delete them... Get info would show all information I have about a task, and just what a person wants can be in table.
00:18 <MTughan> And there, I'll end my rant and head off to bed.
00:19 <MTughan> Or my monologue, depending on what you personally think.
00:25 <nickuwo> sorry POV, you wouldn't have any website suggestions for linking would ya?
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01:43 <Soul_keeper> &help math
01:43 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: (math <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "math calc $*".
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04:32 * KathrynM is back (gone 04:50:34)
04:46 <mweltin> hey KathrynM
04:47 <KathrynM> mweltin!
04:47 <KathrynM> How's life?
04:47 <mweltin> not bad
04:47 <mweltin> you?
04:47 <Romulus> I guess you are upper fayl, mweltin
04:47 <KathrynM> hanging in there.
04:49 <mweltin> trying to find a program I wrote but I don't know the name, or if it's enve a shell script or not
04:49 <mweltin> some ssh tunnel thing
04:49 <KathrynM> :)
04:50 * CoderForLife waves
04:50 * KathrynM waves back
04:50 <KathrynM> mornin' CoderForLife
04:50 <Romulus> no a LOT of WUs to all
04:50 <mweltin> hey
04:50 <mweltin> cfl
04:50 <mweltin> how are you?
04:50 <CoderForLife> howdy folks
04:51 <KathrynM> insomnia striking CoderForLife?
04:51 <KathrynM> it's not even 5 am there
04:51 <CoderForLife> not different that any other w@#% day
04:51 <CoderForLife> actually about 20 minutes later than normal
04:52 <CoderForLife> alarm is set for 5
04:52 <KathrynM> whatever happened to 9-5?
04:52 <CoderForLife> for me it's 7 to 4
04:53 <KathrynM> blech
04:53 <CoderForLife> then lately I've been in meeting with accounting types that come in at 10, and think a 4:00pm meeting start time is great
04:54 <KathrynM> accounting types. lol
04:54 <CoderForLife> and noon meetings as well
04:57 <CoderForLife> ack brb
05:11 <CoderForLife> brb - breakfast
05:16 <CoderForLife> b
05:17 * CoderForLife checks his w@#% calendar
05:18 <CoderForLife> maybe today was canceled??
05:18 <KathrynM> we can only hope
05:19 <Tank_Master> how do you cancel a dat?
05:19 <Tank_Master> day*
05:29 <CoderForLife> rats - no such luck, it appears
05:41 * CoderForLife sits wondering how to bring himself to get ready for YAWD
05:45 <xcamel> 'lo
05:45 <CoderForLife> morning
05:46 <CoderForLife> plink 220.127.116.11
05:53 * KathrynM should really start dinner
05:53 * CoderForLife should really start getting ready
05:54 * KathrynM is feeling lazy
05:54 <CoderForLife> I'm in some kind of catatonic state this morning
05:54 <mweltin> should learn to dive and move to a tropical island
05:54 <KathrynM> that's my normal every day state
05:54 <mweltin> wait I did that already
05:54 <KathrynM> do they need any english teachers there?
05:54 <KathrynM> :)
05:55 <mweltin> they need everything
05:55 <mweltin> technically it's not a second language here but it is.
05:55 <mweltin> look at ASCC
05:56 * CoderForLife looks at the clock
05:56 <mweltin> that is the communit collage here
05:56 <CoderForLife> time flies when you're catatonic
05:56 <CoderForLife> off to w#%
05:56 <CoderForLife> laterz
05:56 <KathrynM> i'm tired. I thought that said "that is the comunist collage here"
05:56 <KathrynM> laterz
05:57 <mweltin> they don't pay well, hence, they are always looking for teachers.
05:57 <mweltin> you odn't even need to have more than a masters.
05:58 <KathrynM> all I have is a MA, but it's in psych
05:58 <mweltin> good enough
05:58 <KathrynM> ;)
05:59 <mweltin> you could work for ASPA, as a IT specialist.
05:59 <KathrynM> me? IT? that's a good one
05:59 <mweltin> $15 an hour for help support and god knows what else.
06:00 <mweltin> if you can configure a linux box you can show someone how to turn on a computer and print something.
06:00 <KathrynM> lol
06:01 <KathrynM> maybe I'll drop them an email. I don't see an employment section on their website.
06:01 <KathrynM> I haven't signed my new contract yet.
06:03 <mweltin> well one think to konw is getting money from them is like pulling teeth.
06:04 <mweltin> ASCC is not ASG and I don't konw anyone who worked there personally
06:04 <KathrynM> sounds like my school here at times
06:04 <mweltin> it's just that things move on island time here.
06:04 <KathrynM> island time sounds nice
06:05 <mweltin> it is unless you are trying to get something done.
06:05 <KathrynM> true
06:05 <KathrynM> bbiab. gonna start dinner
06:05 <Romulus> I've been out of this channel...
06:05 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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06:20 <wdsmia> &wx 50265
06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 40.6°F / 4.8°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 12.8mph / 20.6km/h ; Today - Rain showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning... then rain showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Windy. High in the mid 50s. East wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 40 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 (2 more messages)
06:20 <wdsmia> &more
06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: percent.; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the evening. Low around 40. South wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Friday - Showers likely in the morning...then rain and snow likely in the afternoon. Breezy...colder. Little or no snow (1 more message)
06:20 <wdsmia> &more
06:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: accumulation. High in the lower 40s. West wind 15 to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Wind Advisory for Warren County in effect until 4:00 PM CDT on April 10, 2008;
06:36 <hawmps> ip kill >> 18.104.22.168
06:37 <hawmps> ip kill >> 22.214.171.124
07:00 * KathrynM is back (gone 00:54:15)
07:04 <hawmps> wb
07:05 <KathrynM> thx
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09:43 * KathrynM bangs head on desk.
09:43 <KathrynM> why oh why when I got to update my machine the repoitories seem to be slower than a turtle
09:44 <KathrynM> maybe the repositories need a suppository.
09:44 * KathrynM sighs
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10:14 <KathrynM> 261:39 ETA ... This doesn't look real promising
10:15 <KathrynM> It shoudl be done downloading middle of next week :(
10:16 <desti> what you are updating?
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10:17 <KathrynM> PersonalCopy-Lite-soundfont is trying to download. It's a dependency for something.
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10:23 <jackygrahamez> Hi everyone
10:24 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez!
10:24 <jackygrahamez> Hi Kathryn
10:26 <KathrynM> grrrrrrrrrrr 422 hours
10:26 <jackygrahamez> I got a weird question
10:26 <KathrynM> I cna't win
10:26 <KathrynM> I can give you a weird answer.
10:26 <jackygrahamez> Great!
10:26 <KathrynM> But it probably won't help.
10:27 <jackygrahamez> Don't say that ;-(
10:27 <KathrynM> Well, chown does user and group changes.
10:27 <KathrynM> How helpful is that?
10:27 <KathrynM> I just learned that tonight
10:27 <jackygrahamez> That answers my question! :)
10:27 <jackygrahamez> not really
10:27 <KathrynM> lol
10:28 <KathrynM> ummmm
10:28 <KathrynM> 42?
10:28 <jackygrahamez> 6x9
10:28 <KathrynM> 54
10:28 <KathrynM> don't make me do math
10:28 <jackygrahamez> Actually I have two weird but unrelated questions
10:28 <jackygrahamez> Actually maybe I should make the second one a survey
10:29 <jackygrahamez> Ready for the first one?
10:29 <KathrynM> shoot
10:30 <jackygrahamez> This will take a little background explaination
10:31 <jackygrahamez> Hydrogen@Home uses several python scripts ported to binary archives that execute
10:31 <jackygrahamez> these scripts come from a free package called MGL Tools distributed by Scripps
10:31 <jackygrahamez> Our ports work roughly 80% of the time
10:32 <jackygrahamez> I spent a long time looking at different approaches
10:32 <jackygrahamez> to distributing these applications
10:33 <jackygrahamez> None of the approaches I took were as effective as 80%
10:34 <jackygrahamez> Since anyone can install MGL Tools, can I create an optional platform for people who installed MGL Tools? I would like to see if it works better when they install MGL Tools because that way it has all the dependency there already.
10:35 <jackygrahamez> For instance
10:35 <jackygrahamez> Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU
10:35 <jackygrahamez> Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU w/ MGL TOOLS
10:39 <KathrynM> well.... It might be possible with the anonymous platform thing.
10:39 <KathrynM> But I lack the skills to figure it out.
10:41 <jackygrahamez> I figured there was something to that Anonymous platform thang. I should read up on that a little more
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10:42 <KathrynM> You can grab a working app_info.xml from the optimized seti apps or the einstein beta apps.
10:42 <KathrynM> And then do like Eric said, MSMD (monkey see, monkey do)
10:43 <KathrynM> Hey Jack, do you know what can be done if a download through yum is probably never going to finish?
10:43 <KathrynM> ETA on it is 750 hours (!)
10:44 <jackygrahamez> ctrl + c
10:44 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
10:44 <KathrynM> Nothing will break?
10:45 <jackygrahamez> open another session and killall yum or run ps -A to get the pid and kill it
10:46 <KathrynM> ctrl-c worked. I'll fight with yum another night.
10:46 <KathrynM> night all
10:46 <jackygrahamez> night
10:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
10:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.0°F / 15.6°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7.1mph / 11.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Scattered showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows in the lower (1 more message)
10:54 <CoderForLife> &more
10:54 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Friday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Breezy with highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 45 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent.;
10:55 <jackygrahamez> Any project admins out there?
11:00 <hawmps> CFL: I hope those storms calm down a bit before they get to you...
11:24 <CoderForLife> we are hoping together
11:24 <CoderForLife> thx for the thoughts
11:25 <CoderForLife> that's the last thing I need in life right now - anytime, but especially right now
11:28 <CoderForLife> off to lunch with the boyz
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11:38 <rominzesky> hi !
11:39 <rominzesky> I'm trying to find help for setting up a new BOINC project
11:39 <rominzesky> anyone could help me ? ;-)
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12:04 <jackygrahamez> What types of questions do you have?
12:07 <rominzesky> i'm in trouble with the system and how to build a new application
12:08 <rominzesky> i've already managed to set up the server
12:08 <rominzesky> and it works ;-)
12:09 <rominzesky> but don't know how to build my own application
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12:09 <jackygrahamez> So you are able to run uppercase and distribute it to clients through the project?
12:09 <jackygrahamez> or other sample applications
12:10 <rominzesky> in fact it seems to work
12:10 <jackygrahamez> Good
12:10 <rominzesky> but i've set up the server with the vmware image
12:10 <rominzesky> and installed the client on my mac
12:10 <rominzesky> so it doesn't work ;-)
12:11 <rominzesky> i don't really know where to begin
12:11 <jackygrahamez> So your VM image is hosted on a machine on an intranet?
12:12 <rominzesky> on my computer yes
12:12 <rominzesky> and i have access to the server with my client
12:12 <jackygrahamez> So you have how many computers?
12:12 <rominzesky> (it tells connected to the server)
12:12 <rominzesky> no, not for the moment but i will need to build an app for mac, windows and linux !
12:13 <rominzesky> i'm testing it with virtual machines
12:13 <jackygrahamez> I see
12:13 <jackygrahamez> so the client is also running on the VMWare image or outside?
12:13 <rominzesky> outside
12:13 <jackygrahamez> And you have this image running on a Mac?
12:14 <rominzesky> on a different plateform
12:14 <rominzesky> yep
12:14 <jackygrahamez> Can you try the client running on the server? I do that sometimes to test
12:14 <rominzesky> yeah in fact it was the next step i was thinking about...
12:15 <jackygrahamez> Another question, can you use a browser to open the webpages on the VM?
12:15 <rominzesky> but as i have no idea to use the client in console mode, i didn't try ;-)
12:15 <rominzesky> yep
12:15 <rominzesky> i registered from there for my client running on mac
12:16 <jackygrahamez> it should be able to register a new host when you attach from the command line
12:16 <jackygrahamez> when you compiled boinc did you make client for your VM?
12:17 <rominzesky> no
12:17 <rominzesky> i didn't have to compile it
12:17 <rominzesky> it was the vmware image provided by boinc website
12:17 <jackygrahamez> I see
12:17 <rominzesky> but i think the client is on it too
12:18 <rominzesky> but in fact i think everything is working
12:18 <rominzesky> lol
12:18 <rominzesky> but i'm just trying to know how to build a customized app
12:18 <rominzesky> and distribute it to several plateforms
12:18 <jackygrahamez> So we are getting off track, I'm not the best person to ask about application developement ;-)
12:19 <rominzesky> lol ;-)
12:19 <jackygrahamez> But I can lead you to some information you may have missed
12:19 <rominzesky> thanks !
12:19 <rominzesky> well in fact the best thing i could expect would be a strong example
12:19 <rominzesky> for several plateforms
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12:20 <jackygrahamez> Have you checked out Eric Meyer's developer notes
12:20 <rominzesky> and a little howto for customizing it
12:20 <Romulus> Title: BOINC Developers' Notes (at www.spy-hill.net)
12:20 <rominzesky> lol
12:20 <rominzesky> it's opened in my browser ;-)
12:21 <rominzesky> a "next step"
12:21 <rominzesky> so maybe i can read it now !!
12:21 <jackygrahamez> He has a several examples
12:21 <rominzesky> ok
12:21 <rominzesky> so this is the good resource
12:22 <rominzesky> thanks a lot
12:22 <rominzesky> !!
12:22 <jackygrahamez> I'm off to lunch
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12:52 <jackygrahamez> bonjour
12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> hi
13:18 <jackygrahamez> Gutten Tag
13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe
13:22 <CoderForLife> nuqneH?
13:26 <CoderForLife> no local Klingons, I guess
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13:54 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: you can make different apps like that, but there is no way for you to know if the user has the tools installed or not, so you don't know when to send it
13:54 * PovAddict keeps on reading the log
14:01 <jackygrahamez> Is there some setting that a user can apply to make the client use one platform instead of another?
14:02 <PovAddict> I think it would be better if you use two different *apps*
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14:32 <xcamel> finally getting packed up..
14:48 <jackygrahamez> I'll try that
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15:11 <CoderForLife> is it OK to say "bye" now, xcamel? =)
15:22 <Tank_Master> no
15:22 <Tank_Master> "adios" is ok though
15:23 * CoderForLife makes note - Tank_Master apparently speaks for xcamel
15:28 <xcamel> tomorrow morning... even before CFL gets up..
15:29 <CoderForLife> wha? be careful - there may not be oxygen in the air yet if you get up too early
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15:41 <xcamel> I've heard that before..
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15:54 <CoderForLife> I never claimed it was original =)
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15:55 <CoderForLife> But "Security is rarely convenient" (R)
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16:15 <Excelsi0r> hi guys
16:16 <Excelsi0r> &wx LFGO
16:16 <Romulus> Excelsi0r: Temperature: 48.9Â°F / 9.4Â°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.45in / 997.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 10:09 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Overcast. High:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.;
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16:42 <nickuwo_> n e one know the proper way to link custom assimilator code with assimilator.c?
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17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:18 <Excelsi0r> hi
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17:34 <MTughan> nickuwo: My idea would be to compile assimilator.c into a .o file with something like "gcc -c assimilator.c -o assimilator.o", then compile both your code and the object file together.
17:35 <MTughan> g++ <your code.C> assimilator.o <any linker flags> -o <output name>
17:35 <PovAddict> use g++ to compile assimilator.C too
17:36 <MTughan> Oh, it's assimilator.C, not .c? Yeah, use g++.
17:37 <MTughan> Case makes a big difference here... lowercase C means C code, uppercase C means C++ code.
17:37 <PovAddict> in a sane world, .cpp means C++
17:37 <MTughan> But BOINC decided to go with .C, not .cpp...
17:37 <PovAddict> </sane><BOINC>
17:37 <MTughan> Exactly.
17:38 <MTughan> Anyway, I hear there's a hungry cat here...
17:38 <PovAddict> mew
17:39 <MTughan> *chomp chomp* now.
17:39 <MTughan> Oh, I'm minus four wisdom teeth today too.
17:40 <PovAddict> eek
17:40 <MTughan> Not too bad, the codeine fights off most of the pain. :D
17:42 * CoderForLife looks around for PovAddict's sane world
17:42 <Excelsi0r> MTughan: been there, done that, got the t-shirt
17:42 <Excelsi0r> 3 times
17:42 <desti> <TTimo> id mobile is hiring, if you know someone looking for an entry level position in general cell phone dev, and in iphone dev
17:42 <desti> <TTimo> we're also looking for a texture artist for cellphone games
17:42 <Excelsi0r> but be careful to avoid mouthwash for 48h
17:43 <MTughan> T-shirt?
17:43 <PovAddict> desti: where was that from?
17:43 <MTughan> And I don't use mouthwash anyway. Toothpaste.
17:43 <desti> #icculus
17:43 <PovAddict> MTughan: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/been_there%2C_done_that%2C_bought_the_T-shirt
17:44 <MTughan> Heh...
17:44 <PovAddict> desti: irc.osx86.hu/#iphone and #iphone-dev may get a lot more interested people
17:44 <Excelsi0r> I doubt you'll use your toothbrush to clean the hole left by your wisdom tooth
17:44 <MTughan> I don't feel a hole.
17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Mike
17:44 <Excelsi0r> oh, okay, he sew
17:44 <Excelsi0r> sewn ?
17:45 <MTughan> 'lo Jay, but perfect time to come... Dinner time.
17:45 <MTughan> Pasta, but I'm having blended pasta.
17:45 <Excelsi0r> :)
17:45 <MTughan> Sure beats some cheap soup.
17:46 <xcamel> that'll stick right to your ribs..
17:46 <xcamel> and then some..
17:47 <CoderForLife> stick out of your ribs?
17:49 <CoderForLife> looks like I'll have some interesting weather at 3:00am
17:49 * CoderForLife may be up before xcamel
17:58 <PovAddict> wtf more Windows updates? I updated two days ago!
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18:05 <CoderForLife> Windows vulnerabilities multiply in the dark, PovAddict
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18:11 <MTughan> Yeah, tons of Windows updates within the last week, when I checked the update history on my sister's computer to check if Vista SP1 had been installed.
18:11 <MTughan> Seems MS hasn't pushed it yet. Probably waiting until all languages are implemented, as only 5 are supported currently, according to Wikipedia.
18:11 <PovAddict> are service packs ever pushed automatically?
18:12 <MTughan> After a while. Office Service packs are.
18:12 <MTughan> Oh, but not pushed automatically?
18:13 <PovAddict> security updates are usually installed without you even noticing
18:13 <MTughan> Office '07 SP1 was released Dec 11, but not installed.
18:13 <MTughan> Even though it's rated an important update.
18:13 <PovAddict> it just pops saying "I just patched the system without you even knowing, now YOU HAVE TO REBOOT!"
18:13 <PovAddict> and if you don't reboot, it just annoys you again a few minutes later
18:13 <Excelsi0r> enjoy windows
18:13 <Excelsi0r> come in the dark side of the force
18:13 <MTughan> My dad's laptop has had that happen all through today.
18:13 <Excelsi0r> join GNU/Linux
18:13 <Excelsi0r> :)
18:14 <MTughan> Excelsi0r: Fedora and OS X here.
18:14 <PovAddict> if you click "Reboot later" a few more times, it starts popping up with a freaking COUNTDOWN
18:14 <MTughan> I don't regularly run Windows anymore.
18:14 <PovAddict> and reboots itself if you don't click either button when the countdown gets to 0
18:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yep, it's in that stage.
18:14 <MTughan> 5 minute countdown.
18:14 <PovAddict> I swear the only thing missing on that reboot popup is Clippy
18:14 <MTughan> lol, and Silverlight.
18:15 <MTughan> Oh, which I told MS to hide from updates. Although MS's site now bugs you to get it, idiots...
18:15 <PovAddict> there is a link next to the Microsoft logo saying "get silverlight"
18:15 <PovAddict> if you click it, you get a .exe download directly; not even information on what silverlight *is*
18:17 <PovAddict> eek that's going extreme
18:17 <MTughan> Every time you have a new browser session.
18:17 <PovAddict> sheesh they are using the same techniques malware authors use to get you to install their trojans!
18:17 <MTughan> It does hide it if you refresh the page while still in the same session.
18:18 <MTughan> But using Google, I can't find any negative reviews of Silverlight or MS's methods of getting it out in the first 30 results.
18:18 <MTughan> Basically half of the results were MS sites.
18:19 <MTughan> Although, it seems there is an easy way around it. That didn't show until I set my user agent to IE 7 on Vista.
18:20 <MTughan> So if you set your user agent to Firefox on Linux, it might not show.
18:20 <MTughan> Seems that way.
18:20 <Romulus> well messy != need haircut
18:21 <MTughan> Reminds me, I need a haircut... Hair's getting about a half inch long.
18:21 <PovAddict> I don't quite get what silverlight even *is*...
18:21 <MTughan> Here's my user agent, BTW: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:126.96.36.199) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/188.8.131.52"
18:21 <PovAddict> flash clone?
18:21 <MTughan> Oh, and Silverlight supports vector graphics, but they introduced yet another standard: XAML, I think it was.
18:22 <MTughan> Not the standard SVG.
18:22 <PovAddict> of course they won't use SVG :P
18:22 <MTughan> The criticism on the Wiki article is mostly that it's not yet available for Linux.
18:22 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft Silverlight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
18:23 <MTughan> Yes, it's XAML. I'll see if I can find what that stands for.
18:23 <PovAddict> "Silverlight competes with products such as Adobe Flash, Adobe Flex, Adobe Shockwave, Java FX, and Apple QuickTime."
18:23 <MTughan> Extensible Alternate Markup Language? :P
18:23 <PovAddict> that says just about everything :P
18:23 <PovAddict> haha guess what the new update was
18:24 <MTughan> Damn, I was close... Extensible Application Markup Language.
18:24 <PovAddict> .NET 2.0 SP1
18:25 <MTughan> Heck, have Clippy SP1. xD
18:26 <PovAddict> I would uninstall .NET...
18:26 <PovAddict> but Fiddler proxy needs it
18:26 <MTughan> I can understand the idea behind .NET, but it was implemented wrong.
18:27 <CoderForLife> MS probably made CMD.EXE dependent on the .NET framework
18:27 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: no they didn't... they just made a whole new command-line (PowerShell) completely based on .NET :)
18:28 * CoderForLife suddenly has a cold chill when he thinks that maybe Visual Srudio C++ Express 2009 might be injecting these random errors
18:28 <MTughan> .NET is sort of like SDL, but more general.
18:28 <CoderForLife> yeah, yeah - I went to the PowerShell demo
18:28 <PovAddict> .NET is like Java
18:29 <MTughan> Java or Swing?
18:29 * CoderForLife splodes
18:29 <xcamel> back again..
18:29 <MTughan> Or the AWT, for that matter?
18:29 <CoderForLife> just in time
18:29 <CoderForLife> wb
18:29 <MTughan> 'lo Jay.
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18:29 <CoderForLife> wb efc
18:29 <efc> moo
18:29 <MTughan> 'lo e
18:30 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
18:30 <MTughan> Codeine can really hold off the pain from having your wisdom teeth removed...
18:30 <PovAddict> along with the web framework (ASP.NET), the GUI toolkit (Windows Forms), the database abstraction layer (ADO.NET), etc
18:31 <Excelsi0r> MTughan: paracetamol works well too (for me)
18:31 <MTughan> You know, it may be similar to the Cocoa and Foundation frameworks for OS X.
18:31 <PovAddict> the server-side .NET stuff is definitely comparable to J2EE
18:31 <MTughan> Although Cocoa and Foundation do GUIs by archiving objects, not through code.
18:31 <efc> codeine for .NET, check
18:31 <xcamel> &wx MMLP
18:32 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 82Â°F / 28Â°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 3:47 PM MDT; Clear. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Clear. High:89 ° F. / 32 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 ° F. / 15 ° C.; Clear. High:91 ° F. / 33 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 ° F. / 15 ° C.;
18:32 <MTughan> You can do Cocoa by programming it, but it's a whole lot simpler to change the GUI and make it through IB and NIB files.
18:32 <Excelsi0r> well, good night people... or whatever it is :)
18:32 <xcamel> the only unknown at this point is if the EVDO network is working down there.
18:32 <MTughan> 6:30PM here. Getting close...
18:33 <MTughan> xcamel: Down where?
18:33 <xcamel> mexico (LaPaz)
18:33 <xcamel> mi casa en mexico
18:33 <MTughan> You're in Mexico?
18:33 <xcamel> not yet.. will be this time tomorrow
18:34 <PovAddict> no, that's his "place far away from w$%&"
18:34 <xcamel> otherwise it'll be IRC via blackberry...
18:34 <CoderForLife> it looks like a nice place
18:35 <MTughan> You're wanting to use a Blackberry with an EVDO network then?
18:35 <xcamel> no... I have a sprint evdo air card for the laptop
18:36 <MTughan> Ah, cool.
18:36 <xcamel> nice little ibm (lenovo) centrino duo
18:36 <xcamel> the modbook never showed up..
18:38 <CoderForLife> hmm
18:38 <MTughan> When'd you order it?
18:39 <xcamel> 3 weeks ago
18:39 <MTughan> Was it actually sent? You were billed for it?
18:39 <MTughan> "You will not be billed for your Modbook order prior to it shipping. Prior to ship out, you retain the full right to Modify or Cancel your Modbook order."
18:40 <xcamel> no, not sent yet either
18:40 <MTughan> Possible they have a shortage of them then?
18:40 <MTughan> Or a waiting period, rather.
18:42 <CoderForLife> a cooling off period
18:42 <CoderForLife> give you time to decide whether you really want it
18:42 <xcamel> lack of the ownership experience seems to be a feature, not a bug
18:42 <CoderForLife> lol
18:43 <xcamel> but the len-oh-no seems to be a pretty good little box
18:44 <CoderForLife> The Chinese thank you
18:44 <xcamel> so it seems
18:45 <CoderForLife> unfortunately
18:45 <xcamel> obtw - my IT mgr has 2 tivo's - he's going to record all the required SciFi and burn it for me for when I get back
18:46 <PovAddict> hehe
18:46 <xcamel> no missing the BSG
18:46 <CoderForLife> great news - congrats
18:47 <CoderForLife> you could also catch them in SciFi Rewind on scifi.com
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18:48 <efc> I might watch the SG-1 movie Sat night..
18:48 <CoderForLife> it appears I need to do a "clean solution" before re-compiling and testing VC++ 2009 changes
18:49 <CoderForLife> my Code was getting squicked in bad places - access violation errors
18:49 <CoderForLife> now it's whizzing right past the trouble spots
18:49 <efc> What are you working on ?
18:50 <CoderForLife> variable values were getting set to outlandish numbers
18:50 <CoderForLife> I am updating and enhancing my Y2K spreadsheet and database scanner for Sarbanes-Oxley compliance scanning
18:51 <CoderForLife> 12 year old 16 bit Borland DOS API Code to current 32 bit MS Windows API code
18:51 <CoderForLife> TMI?
18:52 <efc> That sounds exciting..
18:52 <xcamel> like a hot poker in the eye...
18:53 * CoderForLife smells profit
18:53 <CoderForLife> we're going to use it at w@#%
18:53 <Romulus> PovAddict, I have more privilege
18:53 <CoderForLife> I'm expecting to inventory on the order of 100,000 spreadsheets
18:54 <CoderForLife> and give complexity information for risk assessment
18:55 <CoderForLife> plus - I'm in the need of cash flow right now
18:56 <PovAddict> who isn't?
18:56 * CoderForLife looks painfully out the back window
18:57 <CoderForLife> ok - *more* cash flow
18:57 <CoderForLife> much more
19:00 <CoderForLife> my Code runs much better after re-compiling everything - wonder why the linker let me down?
19:01 <MTughan> You linked wrong? :P
19:05 <CoderForLife> I must have used the "ignore the frigging link map and assign memory locations and offsets randomly" switch
19:06 <MTughan> Prebinding?
19:06 <CoderForLife> my Code was doing things like "i=0; printf("%d\n",i);" and getting "4670981"
19:07 <CoderForLife> veerrryyy confusing
19:07 <PovAddict> o_o
19:08 <CoderForLife> yes , "int i;"
19:08 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:23:40)
19:08 <CoderForLife> now it's siging, after a "clean solution" to make everything recompile and link
19:08 <CoderForLife> wb KathrynM
19:08 <KathrynM> moanin'
19:09 <KathrynM> tgif
19:09 <CoderForLife> indeed
19:09 <CoderForLife> I'm working at home tomorrow
19:09 <KathrynM> I'm going to costco tomorrow
19:09 <CoderForLife> provided I have one after the storms promised for overnight
19:09 <Romulus> for you whan you said you could work with wxGTK 2.8 instead of leaving them around set to use it at night on my Mac, I just put that shit in there but something must be a Miranda problem
19:10 <CoderForLife> you have those in S.K., huh?
19:10 <KathrynM> yup
19:10 <KathrynM> just not too close to where I live.
19:10 <KathrynM> A coworker's church is taking a bus to Dajeon tomorrow.
19:10 <CoderForLife> how far away?
19:10 <Romulus> how far away is work for Windows or OSX, CoderForLife
19:11 <KathrynM> not sure
19:11 <CoderForLife> that's helpful, Rommie
19:11 <KathrynM> someone shoot the bot please
19:11 <CoderForLife> go stand in the local CostCo until we call for you
19:11 <PovAddict> hey K-Teacher :)
19:11 <KathrynM> hiya PovAddict
19:12 <KathrynM> hmmmmm....
19:12 <KathrynM> Rom relased Linux version.
19:12 <efc> maybe if CFL gets numb enough I can slip in some of my tasks and get them done for free..
19:12 <CoderForLife> bbiab - I want to go out to measure the distance between the trees to start estimating the cost of my wall
19:12 * CoderForLife remains comfortably numb
19:13 <CoderForLife> of course, efc, that's exactly what everyone at w@#% thinks and hopes too
19:13 <CoderForLife> get in line
19:13 <CoderForLife> bbiab
19:14 <efc> he might notice the difference between VHDL and C-- though
19:21 <xcamel> ajh.. needed coffee
19:22 <KathrynM> coffee.... sounds good
19:22 <KathrynM> brb
19:24 <xcamel> alarm clock set for 3:15 am..
19:24 <PovAddict> eek
19:25 <xcamel> yeah...kinda sucks
19:25 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
19:27 * xcamel ops up and boots wdsmia
19:27 <KathrynM> 315?
19:27 <KathrynM> isnt the like the middle of the night?
19:28 <xcamel> widely scattered darkness too.
19:30 <MTughan> Yeah, Doug needs to take "sucks" out of the swearing script.
19:30 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
19:30 <xcamel> alb>>atl>>sjd
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19:31 <wdsmia> try using sux next time :P
19:32 <MTughan> Why not sucks?
19:32 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
19:32 <Romulus> I'l be heading to bed before he does better with an English movie all due respect star trek and in another 5 hours :)
19:32 <MTughan> I don't use lol speech that often.
19:33 * Tank_Master is listening to: Cygnus X - Superstring (Rank 1 Remix)
19:33 <wdsmia> because your sucking fuck heads never learn
19:33 <wdsmia> notice it desnt catch me :)
19:33 <MTughan> Oh, you excepted yourself from your script?
19:34 <wdsmia> would I do such a thing?
19:34 <Tank_Master> asks wdsmia to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel user
19:34 <KathrynM> nah, never
19:34 <KathrynM> (yeah right)
19:34 <KathrynM> lol Tank_Master
19:34 <MTughan> Wow... BURP doesn't really use the processors to their full potential.
19:35 <MTughan> Averaging 75-80% total CPU usage with two BURP tasks running.
19:36 <MTughan> Whoa... What happened to the TSP site?
19:36 <KathrynM> oh good. It's not just me then.
19:36 <PovAddict> asplode
19:36 <KathrynM> I forgot to ask Markus yesterday.
19:36 <MTughan> Just seems the homepage too...
19:36 <MTughan> Apps and Account pages are working.
19:37 <MTughan> Server status working.
19:37 <KathrynM> the lhc black hold swallowed it
19:37 <MTughan> Anyway, I was just wondering if ACO was up?
19:37 <MTughan> Oh, about LHC... One sec.
19:37 <Tank_Master> last I heard, he was still having issues with the wrapper
19:38 <KathrynM> LOL
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19:42 <MTughan> wdsmia: What are you doing?
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19:43 <wdsmia> helping someone get connected using mibbit
19:43 <wineguy> cheese1
19:43 <wineguy> cheese2
19:44 <wdsmia> maybe that was a mistake ;)
19:44 <wineguy> cant type, out of practice
19:44 <MTughan> Heh.
19:44 <Romulus> oh, didn't realize I had the correct output, there may not be mine
19:45 <wineguy> hard to go from audio and video and go down to hunt and peck
19:47 <wdsmia> your just to old and feable to type
19:49 <wdsmia> I can get away with that because he's my brother
19:50 <KathrynM> oh crap, two of you?
19:50 <wineguy> just one and a clone
19:50 <wdsmia> Double trouble ;)
19:51 <KathrynM> I think the trouble is exponential
19:51 <PovAddict> and his nickname makes it just more worrying
19:51 <wdsmia> mom used to say that
19:51 <PovAddict> lol
19:51 <KathrynM> lol
19:51 <wineguy> duh, what did he say?
19:52 <CoderForLife> hmm
19:52 <CoderForLife> my answer for this evening is 65
19:53 * wdsmia gives CoderForLife 23 in change
19:53 <CoderForLife> the question was - what is the straight-line distance between the two trees were the wall would do?
19:53 <CoderForLife> er go
19:53 <CoderForLife> it'll do, too
19:54 <wdsmia> still trying to stop that mud slide in progress?
19:54 <CoderForLife> 65 feet, by probably 15 feet high on one end, and 10 feet high on the other
19:54 <CoderForLife> no
19:54 <Romulus> wonders what keeps thumping upstairs..
19:55 <CoderForLife> letting it slide
19:55 <CoderForLife> just making plans for putting in a wall
19:55 <CoderForLife> to retain the backfill we'll put behind it
19:56 <xcamel> concretos - mucho mas.
19:56 <CoderForLife> you're in the mood, I see =)
19:57 <wdsmia> 65 x 10 x 45 degrees.... thats alot of backfill
19:57 <CoderForLife> I got a lot to dig out
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19:58 <CoderForLife> this is going to be expen$ive
19:58 <wdsmia> wb pov
19:58 <CoderForLife> hence - I Code
20:00 <xcamel> and that just covers the taxes..
20:00 * CoderForLife gulps
20:00 <CoderForLife> taxes?
20:01 <xcamel> yeah.. that.
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20:01 <CoderForLife> there's the $1800 construction permit, I've heard
20:02 <xcamel> excavation is not considered "construction"
20:02 <xcamel> in most cases.
20:02 <CoderForLife> wall-building?
20:02 <xcamel> you called the insurance man?
20:02 <CoderForLife> no
20:03 <xcamel> warranty deed on the property?
20:03 <CoderForLife> hmm
20:03 <xcamel> title insurance?
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20:03 <CoderForLife> um -yeah, probably title insurance
20:03 <xcamel> cover the bases before you hand over the ca$h
20:03 <jackygrahamez_> hi
20:03 <Romulus> Rommie's useful, but the front page on ops
20:04 <xcamel> 'lo jacky
20:04 <CoderForLife> I was thinking "soil and water conservation grant money"
20:04 <xcamel> any port in a storm...
20:04 <CoderForLife> yeah
20:05 <CoderForLife> get money from the former owner for not disclosing the condition?
20:05 <xcamel> landslides may in fact be due to inadequate inspections and permitting of the lot prior to original construction..
20:05 <CoderForLife> hmmm
20:06 <CoderForLife> what's the statute of limitations on such a thing?
20:06 <xcamel> incorrect fill materials uses, lack of geotextiles to prevent slides, known preexisting conditions...
20:06 <xcamel> homes in a development generally have a 30 year warranty
20:07 * CoderForLife nods
20:07 <KathrynM> time to get ready for w@&$
20:07 <xcamel> depending on local code enforcement
20:07 <CoderForLife> this one was built in '93
20:07 <KathrynM> gotta turn in my time sheet today so I get paid on monday
20:07 <CoderForLife> tc KathrynM
20:07 <KathrynM> later
20:07 <CoderForLife> knock'en dead
20:07 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
20:07 <CoderForLife> er em
20:07 <KathrynM> don't tempt me. ther'es a few I"d like to knock dead
20:07 <CoderForLife> lol
20:08 <xcamel> the age of the trees, and a known prior slide would point to the fact that it could reasonably have been forseen, and prevented.
20:08 <CoderForLife> check, check
20:08 <xcamel> undercutting of the streambed
20:09 <xcamel> and the fact that some homes built in the area have very large retaining walls in place.
20:09 <CoderForLife> I'll look into it - something my civil engineer could help with? My landscaper said he could pull the original records...
20:09 <xcamel> you would need all that...
20:10 * CoderForLife nods
20:10 <CoderForLife> excellent advice
20:10 <CoderForLife> I'll ask my civy
20:10 <xcamel> house is only 15 years old, and there were/are no apparent modifications to the slope by the previous owner
20:10 <CoderForLife> not that I could tell
20:11 <CoderForLife> certainly not the just-prior owner
20:11 <CoderForLife> he didn't do much
20:11 <xcamel> the engineer could - but the obvious answer is "were there any tree stumps on the slope"?
20:12 <CoderForLife> not much - mostly damaged tress from the '03 storm
20:12 <CoderForLife> broken trees
20:12 <CoderForLife> like snapped in two
20:13 <CoderForLife> that's when the house got a new roof, due to hail damage
20:13 <xcamel> where were the trees and stumps that existed prior to lot development taken - or were they buried with the fill?
20:13 <CoderForLife> I see no such stumps
20:13 <CoderForLife> and I am not sure what we're looking at in the slide is fill
20:14 <xcamel> questions to ask - and is there any "proof of compliance" hauling away the spoils on the lot...
20:14 * CoderForLife copies the chat window
20:15 <xcamel> especially the developer records regarding lot excavations
20:15 <xcamel> environmental compliance, sitework etc.
20:16 * xcamel should have been a lawyer.... er not....
20:16 <Romulus> wow. It's really 1:25 AM there?
20:16 <CoderForLife> I do this same kind of thing to the lawyers at w@#%
20:17 <xcamel> then you know the thought process -
20:17 <CoderForLife> yep - I just don't know the subject matter, and the types of records to ask for - I do now
20:18 <xcamel> pay close attention to foundation drains, and as-drawn soil disturbances
20:18 <xcamel> or added lot drainage
20:18 <CoderForLife> yeah, there's been some re-routing of drains since construction
20:19 <xcamel> any other permitted subsoil work, or 'daylighted" drain pipes on the slope.
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20:21 <CoderForLife> my neighbor just told me the other day that both these houses have had the Blue Max water pipes broken, after the class action closure
20:21 <CoderForLife> theirs at the foundation, ours in the front yard
20:22 * CoderForLife watches his Code run clean, after the total recompile
20:32 * CoderForLife watches through sleepy eyes
20:34 <CoderForLife> wow APOD
20:36 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
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20:37 <jackygrahamez> hi
20:37 * CoderForLife waves
20:38 <jackygrahamez> so I'm trying to do this Application filtering
20:39 <jackygrahamez> I went into project_specific_prefs.inc
20:39 <jackygrahamez> I set condition on that array to true
20:40 <jackygrahamez> I made entries for my applications
20:40 <jackygrahamez> Saved it, where should users go to filter applications?
20:44 <PovAddict> to the preference webpage you'll have to write yourself ;)
20:45 * CoderForLife dozes off at his desk
20:46 <CoderForLife> that's all for me, until the storms get here in 6 hours or so
20:46 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders
20:46 * CoderForLife looks and sees he is already "away"
20:47 <CoderForLife> wow - computers are wonderful
20:47 <jackygrahamez> there is no sample?
20:48 * Tank_Master is listening to: Angel Of Death - Angel`s Return (Jay Frog`s Club Mix)
20:56 <jackygrahamez> oh I found it project_specific_prefs.inc.sample
21:13 <jackygrahamez> I got it, these settings come with the account preferences
21:13 <jackygrahamez> Under Resource share and graphics
21:13 <jackygrahamez> Once you make that edit in project_specific_prefs.inc
21:14 <jackygrahamez> So Resource share and graphics --> Edit project --> check boxes for applications to run
21:14 <jackygrahamez> update preferences!
21:15 <xcamel> just saw a nice ISS flyover
21:28 <nickuwo> I can't figure out how to link my assimilator my assimilator.C
21:28 <nickuwo> my -> to
21:28 <PovAddict> g++ -c assimilator.C -o assimilator.o and whatever extra flags are needed to make it compile
21:28 <nickuwo> nice
21:28 <nickuwo> thx
21:28 <PovAddict> g++ -c my_custom_assimilator.C -o my_custom_assimilator.o and whatever extra flags are needed to make it compile
21:29 <PovAddict> g++ -o my_custom_assimilator assimilator.o my_custom_assimilator.o libsched.a
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21:50 <xcamel> buh-by
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22:28 * Tank_Master is listening to: Sarah Brightman - Deliver Me (original video)
22:30 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: I'm definitely seeing quite a bit of computation errors on my machine
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23:05 <PovAddict> lunch break?
23:05 <KathrynM> yup
23:06 <PovAddict> I just read qc till #600
23:06 <PovAddict> a big lot happened in those 100 comics
23:07 * KathrynM will have to start at the beginning
23:07 <PovAddict> which is why I'm not giving any detail on the "big lot that happened"
23:08 <KathrynM> :)
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