IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-04-17

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02:42 <Soul_keeper> ping -f -s 65507

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02:57 <efc> moo

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04:11 <CoderForLife> hi

04:12 <CoderForLife> hey wdsmia - I learned Pascal on a PDP-11/60 running RSX-11M

04:27 * KathrynM is back (gone 04:40:46)

04:29 <efc> moo

04:30 <KathrynM> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

04:34 <CoderForLife> squeak

04:34 <KathrynM> the little mouse must have heard me open that package of cheese

04:35 <CoderForLife> this little mouse is hungry

04:35 <KathrynM> go get breakfast little mouse

04:35 <CoderForLife> if it weren't for reviewing test results, he'd have already been to the kitchen

04:35 <CoderForLife> Code Before Food

04:36 <KathrynM> now that's dedication

04:36 <CoderForLife> I should be committed for being so committed

04:36 <KathrynM> i shoudl jsut be committed

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04:37 * CoderForLife fires up AraxisMerge to do results comparisons

04:40 <CoderForLife> ok - while that (slowly) loads...

04:40 <CoderForLife> breakfast  brb

04:46 <CoderForLife> b

04:46 <KathrynM> wb

04:47 <CoderForLife> ty

04:47 <KathrynM> yw

04:48 * CoderForLife munches happily

04:48 <CoderForLife> If I could only get off this Yellow Brick Road and quit singing, things would be great

04:49 <KathrynM> what are you munching on?

04:49 <CoderForLife> the usual

04:49 <KathrynM> ?

04:49 <KathrynM> coke, for sure

04:49 <CoderForLife> most certainly

04:50 <CoderForLife> I'm eating the last of the leftover McDonald's sausage and egg biscuits, with two slices of Land O' Lakes cheese added by me

04:52 <KathrynM> heart attack between bread

04:52 <CoderForLife> hey

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04:53 <CoderForLife> did I say nasty things about your dinner? noooooo

04:53 <KathrynM> :)

04:53 <CoderForLife> it put the yummy in my tummy

04:53 <CoderForLife> puts*

04:53 <KathrynM> lol

04:54 <KathrynM> never drink bek se ju

04:54 <KathrynM> holy cow is it terrible

04:54 <KathrynM> bek se refer\s to 100 years.  that isn't for the age, but for the supposedly health benefits.

04:55 <KathrynM> I could probably clean the tarnish off of silver with this stuff

04:55 <CoderForLife> or use it for anti-freeze

04:56 * CoderForLife looks at the comparison between test runs

04:56 <KathrynM> not a bad idea

04:56 <Romulus> if this latest compilation doesn't work, your system to install it, depending on the other dll dependencies by statically linking; but I'm tyring to say were please and thank you.

04:56 <KathrynM> well at least you're trying to be polite rommie

04:57 <KathrynM> Is it a sign of insanity when you talk back to the bot?

04:58 <CoderForLife> you talking to me?

04:58 <CoderForLife> =)

04:58 <KathrynM> :-)

04:59 * CoderForLife slowly and deliberately bangs his head forcefully on his desk

04:59 <CoderForLife> maybe that will get me better test results

05:00 <KathrynM> ouch

05:02 <CoderForLife> that's what I say when I look at the comparison

05:03 <KathrynM> that bad?

05:03 <CoderForLife> put in new fixes, and negate old ones

05:03 <CoderForLife> or so it seems

05:04 <efc> Zzz

05:04 <CoderForLife> cya efc

05:05 <CoderForLife> looks like the Excel parse routine is going to need another application of TLC

05:06 <KathrynM> oh that sounds like fun

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05:07 * CoderForLife applies a filter to the results comparison to remove the more trivial differences

05:07 <efc> I hope they give you the big bucks for that #(@#@

05:08 <CoderForLife> this is Code, not #(@#@

05:08 <CoderForLife> it just needs a little help in acheiving perfection

05:08 * efc thinks your Code is #(@#@

05:08 <efc> :)

05:08 <CoderForLife> ouch

05:08 <efc> .. Of course the more intellectual the task, the less Bucks it retrieves

05:09 <CoderForLife> you have little basis for making such a harsh judgement

05:10 <CoderForLife> I'll just chalk that up as "efc is exhausted and doesn't know what he's saying"

05:10 * CoderForLife notes a lot of tick marks in that column

05:10 <efc> Evidence?! Logic?! We don't use those around here!

05:11 <CoderForLife> um right

05:12 <efc> Of course I don't think your Code is #(@#@

05:13 * CoderForLife adds another tick mark

05:14 <efc> :( This is like kindergarden. We'd get red stripes for bad, green for good. Nobody ever got the green stripes.

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05:16 <CoderForLife> stars and fots

05:16 <CoderForLife> er dots

05:17 <CoderForLife> which is a good book, BTW, KathrynM

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05:21 <KathrynM> stars and dots?

05:21 <KathrynM> never heard of it

05:22 * KathrynM thinks watching baseball with the play by play in korean just isn't the same

05:23 <CoderForLife> was just looking for a link

05:24 <CoderForLife> wasn't successful

05:26 <CoderForLife> US-English Windows utilities don't may much respect for international character sets

05:30 <KathrynM> and this is surprising?

05:30 <KathrynM> t-10 and counting until dinner

05:31 <efc> Oh well, I won't figure this out this night/morning

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05:31 <CoderForLife> more frustratuubg

05:31 <CoderForLife> watwuzzat?

05:31 <CoderForLife> more f-r-u-s-t-r-a-t-i-n-g

05:31 <KathrynM> aliens in the computer?

05:32 <CoderForLife> typing with closed fists

05:33 <CoderForLife> well - in summary - I have 2 problems from the overnight run

05:34 <CoderForLife> when I fixed the memory overwrite problem in the Excel parser, I broke the depth to which the parser goes

05:34 <CoderForLife> and 2)

05:34 <CoderForLife> my security reporting strategy doesn't work well with non-US character codes

05:35 <KathrynM> better you than me

05:35 <KathrynM> I'd have thrown the computer against a wall by now

05:35 <CoderForLife> where there's mystery, there's margin

05:37 <CoderForLife> (as I heard one pretty successful person say one time)

05:42 <CoderForLife> time for this Munchkin to head on down the road

05:42 <KathrynM> folow the yellow brick road

05:43 <CoderForLife> Follow - Follow - Follow - Follow The Yellow Brick Road

05:43 <CoderForLife> we're off to see the w@#%zard

05:44 * CoderForLife waves some Ruby slippers, and some C++ ones too

05:44 <KathrynM> lol

05:44 <KathrynM> laterz

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06:11 <clusty> j #monitorix

06:13 <KathrynM> clusty!

06:13 <clusty> hey

06:13 <clusty> :D

06:13 <KathrynM> how's life?

06:14 <clusty> decent

06:14 <clusty> yours?

06:14 <Romulus> I guess yours is broken now too, clusty

06:14 <KathrynM> tired

06:15 <clusty> :D

06:15 <clusty> likewise

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06:52 <Didactylos> Oh, this one's a keeper:

06:52 <Didactylos> "lol again blaming something else insted of blaming the real problem which in this case is bonic it has more problems then windows and thats saying something and as for zonealarm being a problem nah i wudn't think so since its made by microsoft on and since bonic needs 24/7 internet connection is a big problem easy access for a virus to end up controling ur computer but hey someone whos trained in pc repair knows nothing

06:52 <Didactylos> rite? lol i find it funny how ignorent people can be and since bonic is the worst thing u cud ever decid to install if i were u i'd keep to the ud one which is what i'm doing"

06:54 <DerMeister> lol

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06:58 <Ageless93> moaning all

07:03 <Ageless93> "nah sorry but i'm trained in pc repair" ... and then his English deteriotates into something I hope he doesn't write on the repair receipt.

07:04 <DerMeister> hehe

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07:12 <Ageless93> **is** there an ignore option on WCG? ;)

07:12 <Ageless93> or can I Adblock this person somehow?

07:29 <Didactylos> Don't worry, Ageless93 - UD will switch off soon, and we will lose his valuable contribution.

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07:30 <Ageless93> too bad, he's very interesting.

07:30 <Technix> hi all

07:31 <Technix> I need a little help attaching a cli boinc to a project. Wiki is not as helpful as I'd like

07:32 <Technix> I'm most definitely just not "getting it", it seems.. any volunteers?

07:32 <Ageless93> ask the question. :-)

07:32 <Technix> 1.) where is the main configuration file boinc uses, whats it called?

07:34 <Ageless93> hold on, you are trying to attach BOINC to a project, right? (I am not too well versed in setting up a project, hence the extra question)

07:34 <Technix> yes, so, my thinking is there must be a way to specify via a config file?

07:34 <Technix> cause the command line options are not working for me at all. I'd like to attach to my existing account with Rosetta

07:35 <Ageless93> 1. it depends. cc_config.xml is where you input extra configuration options. But otherwise you just use boinccmd (or boinc_cmd)

07:35 <Ageless93> ok, hold on.

07:36 <Technix> it boils down to this: --attach_project <URL> <key>

07:36 <Technix> what is the key?

07:36 <Technix> I know Rosetta's url, but key? where do I find that? :)

07:37 <KathrynM> --lookup_account URL email password

07:37 <Romulus> hit 400K at lhc will end?

07:38 <Ageless93> with boinc running, type in boinccmd (or boinc_cmd, depending on OS.. Windows uses boinccmd, *nix uses boinc_cmd)  add to it --lookup_account URL email password (Kathryn typed faster)

07:38 <KathrynM> typed?

07:38 <Ageless93> copied ;)

07:38 <KathrynM> c/p out of the man page :)

07:38 <KathrynM> anything else while it's open?

07:39 <Technix> not just yet, I thought I did try that though

07:39 <Ageless93> for that matter

07:39 <Romulus> Title: BoincCmd - BOINC - Trac (at

07:39 <Ageless93> that command gives you your account key. If you have an account.

07:40 <Ageless93> if you do not, use boinccmd --create_account URL email password name

07:40 <Technix>  <-- that's the URL I want to use, for Rosetta, correct?

07:40 <Romulus> Title: Rosetta@home (at

07:40 <Ageless93> (or account key, it gives you your email address and password, probably)

07:40 <Ageless93> yes

07:41 <Technix> connect: Connection refused

07:41 <Technix> can't connect to local host

07:41 <Ageless93> did you start BOINC?

07:41 <Technix> do I have to have boinc running first?

07:41 <KathrynM> I think so

07:41 <Ageless93> yes

07:42 <KathrynM> I'll let Jord do the work :-)

07:42 <Technix> aha

07:42 <Ageless93> you may chime in Kath.

07:42 <KathrynM> I just tried it with Rosie and it works for me.

07:43 * KathrynM should really learn how to use boinc_cmd

07:43 <desti>

07:43 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at

07:43 <Technix> ok.. just for future note.. there is a slight inconsistancy in the --commands nomenclature.

07:43 <Technix> boinc can use --attach-project

07:43 <Technix> and boinc_cmd uses: --project_attach

07:44 * Didactylos learned something new today:

07:44 <Didactylos> Technix: there are many inconsistencies.

07:44 <Technix> woot! it's downloading work!

07:44 <Technix> awesome, thanks guys

07:45 <Didactylos> Until recently, they were completely undocumented, too.

07:45 <KathrynM> another satisified customer

07:45 <DerMeister> and boinc_cmd doesn't even complain if you enter a non existing option o_O

07:45 <Technix> I just wasn't getting it in my brain exactly how it all was related

07:45 <KathrynM> welcome to the club :-)

07:45 <Didactylos> Examples. We need examples.

07:45 <Technix> well, its my fourth system (3 windows and now my colo)

07:45 <Ageless93> we're still learning as well, every day.

07:46 <Didactylos> (Mind you, that leads to people trying to attach with a key of 0123456789abcde)

07:47 <DerMeister> That should be no problem as long as there is no account with that key ;)

07:48 <Technix> btw, I represent the BeOS/Haiku community. Feel free to drop into #haiku on this same irc network

07:48 <Ageless93> it's admin's key, isn't it? :P

07:48 <Technix> Thanks for your assistance, all

07:49 <Ageless93> you're welcome

07:49 <KathrynM> np

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07:51 <Ageless93> another satisfied customer. let's hope that  GOKUSSJ3  doesn't show up here...

07:53 <Didactylos> I think people trained in PC repair are too smart to use IRC.

08:00 <Ageless93> he'd be complaining that it was too difficult to get here in the first place.

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09:05 <Galroc> Good morning

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12:10 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

12:10 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 47.5F / 8.6C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the 50s. West wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers mainly north of Seattle. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with scattered (1 more message)

12:10 <FreeLarry58> &more

12:10 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: showers in the morning...then numerous showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Kitsap County in effect until 5:00 PM PDT on April 17, 2008;

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12:20 <PovAddict> 4 hrs sleep?

12:20 <Ageless93> lol.. no, playing Painkiller

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12:26 <Ageless93>

12:26 <Romulus> Title: End of beta testing? Comments welcome. (at

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12:38 <PovAddict> Firefox out

12:40 <KathrynM> what kind of cruel world is it where "unix" isn't a valid scrabble word?

12:41 <PovAddict> it's a trademark; if you use it in scrabble, The Open Group sues you

12:41 <KathrynM> lol

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13:01 * CoderForLife looks in from w@#%

13:01 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

13:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 78.1F / 25.6C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6.9mph / 11.1km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.;

13:01 <CoderForLife> glorious

13:03 <FreeLarry58> ugg to warm don

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13:06 * FreeLarry58 thinks in a semi serious manner - with markets going to globilization - should america continue to use censorship of media content based on us values or should they allow based upon country of origin values?

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13:06 * FreeLarry58 has massive headache trying to think

13:13 <Didactylos> FreeLarry58: "should". I'm fairly certain, though, that the majority of opinion makers are egotistical enough to force their own standards on the populace.

13:14 <FreeLarry58> lol am of same opinion - but should populace allow the egotists to rule?

13:15 <FreeLarry58> ahh i think this to serious of topic so will stop before flaming starts

13:15 <Didactylos> There's a topic?

13:16 <FreeLarry58> just random thoughts of old fart

13:16 <Didactylos> Must be the only channel in the world where there is...

13:17 <FreeLarry58> lol well PovAddict does tend to try and stay with boinc subjects ;) - hellow PovAddict, Didactylos CoderForLife and all

13:17 <FreeLarry58> meant hillo

13:17 <FreeLarry58> hello

13:17 <Romulus> unless that's the folder i got fan speed a notch

13:17 <Didactylos> 3rd time's the charm :-)

13:17 * FreeLarry58 looks accusionly at malfunctioning fingers

13:18 * FreeLarry58 eyeballs hammer and wonders if it will straighten out the crooked joints

13:20 <FreeLarry58> tca - off to wander around

13:22 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I asked you if you had heard of YAML; but I think I never gave any details, did I?

13:22 <Didactylos> Yes, I've heard of it :-)

13:23 <CoderForLife> you yammering about YAML, PovAddict?

13:23 <PovAddict> very punny

13:29 <FreeLarry58>

13:29 <Romulus> Title: YAML - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

13:34 <CoderForLife> YAML came before xcamel?

13:34 <PovAddict> YAMeL?

13:35 <CoderForLife> this'll show my age - "I'd walk a mile for a YAML"

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13:36 <FreeLarry58> that ad was old when i was a teen CoderForLife

13:37 <PovAddict> lol

13:38 <CoderForLife> ditto, my friend

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15:37 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather viena

15:37 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

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16:09 <PovAddict> Didactylos: ping

16:09 <Didactylos> pong

16:09 <PovAddict> starting to play around with Stripes

16:09 <PovAddict> any way *not* to have .action on URLs?

16:10 <PovAddict> I want full controls over the URLs

16:13 <Didactylos> Yes, it's in one of the config files.

16:13 <Didactylos> Want me to look it up?

16:14 <PovAddict> looks like I can take .action out easily

16:14 <PovAddict> but the actionbean name is still derived from the URL (ugh)

16:14 <Didactylos> It goes in the servlet mapping.

16:14 <Didactylos> And you can override the automatic naming.

16:15 <Didactylos> Use the UrlBinding annotation

16:15 <Romulus> I am thinking of QCN.

16:16 <KathrynM> Romulus, you think?

16:16 <Romulus> Dunno.

16:16 <KathrynM> exactly

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16:50 <Didactylos> PovAddict: this may be useful -

16:50 <Romulus> <> (at

16:54 <PovAddict> Didactylos: that seems to explain how to move in the opposite direction I'm trying to go ;)

16:55 <Didactylos> How so?

16:55 <PovAddict> I don't want URLs matching the class name

16:55 <Didactylos> You can use annotations if you want your URLs to have no relation to the class name.

16:56 <Didactylos> But that's not good practice.

16:56 <PovAddict> I want URLs generic enough that I could rewrite the app in a completely different framework/language/whatever and not break any link!

16:56 <Didactylos> Sure.

16:57 <Didactylos> So create a resolver that generates sensible names automatically.

16:59 <Didactylos> Can you give an example of the genericity you seek?

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17:00 <PovAddict> BOINC forum: /forum_index.php, /forum_thread.php?id=42

17:00 <PovAddict> apparently what Stripes wants: /ForumIndex.action, /ForumThread.action?id=42

17:00 <PovAddict> what I want: /forum, /forum/thread/42

17:00 <PovAddict> (no, I'm not writing a forum; just an example)

17:01 <Didactylos> Just use a UrlBinding

17:02 <Romulus> Microsoft after Digg too

17:02 <Didactylos> For the second example, you may need to extract the 42 manually from the PathInfo part of the URL.

17:02 <PovAddict> yup

17:03 <Didactylos> Or, use Apache URL rewriting :-)

17:03 <Didactylos> That is your *only* option with PHP.

17:03 <PovAddict> not really, with PHP you can make index.php watch pathinfo

17:03 <Didactylos> How so?

17:04 <PovAddict> $_SERVER['PATH_INFO']

17:05 <Didactylos> Yes, you can read the pathinfo manually. But you can't change the URL binding.

17:05 <PovAddict> you can have a single php file being a dispatcher

17:06 <Didactylos> Ugleeeeee!

17:06 <PovAddict> yup :)

17:06 <Didactylos> (And all too common)

17:06 <PovAddict> the most ugly is those who don't hide it on the URL

17:06 <PovAddict> index.php?page=stuff

17:07 <Didactylos> Indeed.

17:07 <PovAddict> some don't even cleanup the page parameter, and that's the easiest-to-exploit hole in the whole Internet :)

17:08 <PovAddict> I get exploit attempts daily (of course none succeeds)

17:08 <PovAddict> GET /websvn/listing.php?repname=

17:11 <PovAddict> doesn't MediaWiki use a dispatcher too?

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17:13 <Didactylos> Don't know - it's normally hidden by the URL rewriting.

17:18 <PovAddict> new boinc wiki doesn't have rewriting set up

17:23 <Didactylos> It needs it.

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17:51 <PovAddict> I'll end up convinced that it's just not possible to use Java and valid HTML at the same time

17:51 <CoderForLife> Haudi Pholchs

17:52 <CoderForLife> long trip home - local highway closed down due to a bad accident forced trafiic to back roads

17:56 <CoderForLife> dang accented characters in file names...

18:02 * CoderForLife sits back in his chair - amazed

18:02 <CoderForLife> my fix.. worked

18:06 * CoderForLife enjoys the moment alone in a crowded room

18:17 <CoderForLife> hmm

18:17 <CoderForLife> &social

18:17 <Romulus>

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18:41 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:22:35)

18:42 <CoderForLife> hooray

18:42 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwww

18:42 <KathrynM> I wub you guys too

18:42 <CoderForLife> just when I was despairing

18:43 <KathrynM> don't do that.  despairing is my job

18:43 <CoderForLife> wattup wunderteach

18:43 <KathrynM> tgif

18:43 <CoderForLife> um, well, right, yep

18:43 <KathrynM> bad day yesterday

18:44 <CoderForLife> Friday Eves are challenging

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