IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-04-22

00:03 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

00:04 <Tank_Master> I see it still dont work

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00:49 <_Danilo_> hi to all

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03:40 <efc> I wonder if these de-chirp calculations actually need the dynamic range of floats or they just did that to get some more precision

03:48 <desti> http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080421/wl_time/princewilliamsbumpylanding

03:48 <Romulus> I'm dont' see it

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05:57 <CoderForLife> away for w@#%

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06:43 <mirabilos> hi, I've got the WU not finishing problem again (and this time didn't play around with client_state yet ;)

06:43 <mirabilos> $ tail -2 slots/0/stderr.txt

06:44 <mirabilos>    ready to report: no

06:44 <mirabilos>    exit_status: 0

06:44 <mirabilos>    signal: 0

06:44 <mirabilos>    suspended via GUI: no

06:44 <mirabilos>    active_task_state: 0

06:44 <mirabilos>    stderr_out:

06:44 <mirabilos>    app version num: 312

06:44 <mirabilos>    checkpoint CPU time: 8708.499998

06:44 <mirabilos>    current CPU time: 8725.398435

06:44 <mirabilos>    fraction done: 0.999999

06:44 <mirabilos>    swap size: 0.000000

06:44 <mirabilos>    working set size: 0.000000

06:44 <mirabilos>    estimated CPU time remaining: 0.008725

06:44 <mirabilos> any idea?

06:45 <mirabilos> ah. and:

06:45 <mirabilos> 21-Apr-2008 20:48:13 [Spinhenge@home] Task 5_Fe30_map_1906_18_2 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file

06:45 <mirabilos> this is in stdout of boinc_client programme

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06:58 <Excelsi0r> mirabilos: your task is waiting for calculation ?

06:59 <mirabilos> it should finish

06:59 <mirabilos> like I said, its log file said: worker: finished!

06:59 <mirabilos> just the core doesn't notice that

07:00 <mirabilos> 5.10.45 on MirBSD, and if you want you can get ssh access to debug it

07:00 <Excelsi0r> I don't know very well how spinhenge works

07:00 <mirabilos> mh. I had that with sztaki two days or so ago as well.

07:00 <mirabilos> and once with sudoku

07:00 <mirabilos> other WUs from these projects finish fine

07:03 <Excelsi0r> Seems to me it should be ok, with the zero status... Is the task has been uploaded ?

07:05 <mirabilos> I don't think so, as the core thinks it still needs to calculate

07:05 <mirabilos> when the project was on turn, the application just idled at 1% CPU or so

07:06 <mirabilos> *looks for upload in the console output log*

07:06 <mirabilos> yeah, other spinhenge uploaded, this one not

07:07 <Excelsi0r> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/index.php?title=Result_%27%28result%29%27_exited_with_zero_status_but_no_%27finished%27_file

07:07 <mirabilos> .oO(short URL, eh?)

07:08 <Excelsi0r> That's what I found googling for your problem

07:09 <mirabilos> yes, but this doesn't apply, as the application did finish.

07:09 <mirabilos> finish, as in, ended calculations

07:09 <Excelsi0r> and ?

07:09 <mirabilos> the core client doesn't see that and simply reschedules it.

07:09 <Romulus> Was that just means it's extremely low on content

07:10 <mirabilos> anyway, my problem is not the one log line, but that it isn't recognised as finished

07:10 <mirabilos> the log output is just to help debugging ;)

07:13 <Excelsi0r> You said other wus from spinhenge are working well ?

07:15 <mirabilos> yes

07:15 <Excelsi0r> Maybe that problem is a one-shot thing that would probably recover when the computer will reboot or somethin' like that

07:15 <mirabilos> no

07:15 <mirabilos> please don't do wild guesses.

07:15 <mirabilos> besides, restarting boinc didn't help

07:16 <mirabilos> and this is not windows

07:16 <mirabilos> ;)

07:17 <Excelsi0r> You know what I'd do ? I'd cancel your rask and won't bore myself anymore with that

07:17 <Excelsi0r> *task

07:18 <mirabilos> if it were only one task, okay

07:18 <mirabilos> but if it's like 1/4 of the tasks…

07:18 <Excelsi0r> I thought you said other tasks were working well, I can't guess

07:21 <mirabilos> yes, MOST other are working well

07:21 <mirabilos> but not ALL

07:22 <mirabilos> and there might be a shortcoming in the boinc core client

07:22 <mirabilos> hm. do you think #boinc_dev would be more appropriate then?

07:23 <Excelsi0r> I'm not sure. Maybe someone more experimented than me will awake soon

07:24 <Excelsi0r> You can try, but I'd ask the spinhenge forum before

07:27 <mirabilos> hah, the projects usually don't reply to technical questions at all

07:27 <mirabilos> plus, forums aren't for technical stuff anyway ^^

07:27 <mirabilos> oO

07:28 <mirabilos> okay, now, more than 24 hours later, the WU finished.

07:28 <mirabilos> heh this is weird.

07:28 <mirabilos> I'll continue sitting in here, maybe someone has got an idea.

07:28 <Excelsi0r> You'll see

07:29 <mirabilos> yep

07:29 <Excelsi0r> Computers can be so strange... Sometimes I prefer avoid headaches trying to understand :)

07:30 <mirabilos> hehe

07:30 <mirabilos> I'm an OS developer, so I'm used to them

07:30 <Excelsi0r> (and sometimes it can be a transistor that didn't did well his job :p)

07:30 <Excelsi0r> I see

07:41 <Excelsi0r> What kind of OS are you developing ?

07:41 <mirabilos> http://mirbsd.de/

07:41 <Excelsi0r> okay, that was a stupid question :)

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08:39 <CoderForLife> hello folks

08:39 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

08:40 <CoderForLife> sorry that you had to go into w@#% today wdsmia_w

08:40 * wdsmia_w goes to w@#% everyday

08:40 <CoderForLife> same - I w@#% all the time

08:41 * CoderForLife gets back to business

08:41 <wdsmia_w> they cant funtion without me :P

08:46 * KathrynM waves happily from Fedora

08:46 * KathrynM hates Vista

08:48 * CoderForLife sees some signs of sanity in KathrynM

08:48 <KathrynM> I forgot how slow and clunky Vista is.

08:48 <KathrynM> I hate sites that don't play nice with Firefox.

08:49 * mirabilos hates Linux

08:49 <mirabilos> it's so bloated, insecure, unstable and unfree

08:50 <mirabilos> and sl-o-o-ow

08:50 <mirabilos> and you always have to have the latest hardware and DLLs (.so) for it

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09:15 * Excelsi0r hates BSD (1 point everywhere :D)

09:15 <Excelsi0r> Oh, we forgot MacOS

09:15 <Excelsi0r> who hates it ?

09:15 <Excelsi0r> hmm ?

09:15 <mirabilos> Macs are evil™

09:16 <mirabilos> no matter if it’s MacOS or Mac OSX

09:17 <Excelsi0r> I guess there is many operating systems because there are many users. and anyone will find the OS that suits him

09:17 <mirabilos> = “use the right tool for the job”

09:17 <Excelsi0r> kind of

09:18 <Excelsi0r> gosh, time to go to the stomatologist :(

09:18 <Excelsi0r> wish me luck

09:18 <mirabilos> gl hf

09:22 <Excelsi0r> you started :)

09:22 <mirabilos> no, I didn't

09:22 <mirabilos> let me guess, you use irssi?

09:22 <Excelsi0r> no, Xchat

09:22 <mirabilos> ah, ok, another one to add to the broken list

09:22 <Excelsi0r> I'm an gui user :p

09:22 <Excelsi0r> I have to go, see you

09:22 <mirabilos> /me without something after it shows up as ctcp action with no arguments in some clients.

09:23 <mirabilos> I suggest you report that to the xchat devs

09:23 <Excelsi0r> ok, i'll do it

09:23 <Excelsi0r> bye

09:26 <KathrynM> I always have to remember to turn the slashes the other way around when I'm giving directory paths to Windows users.

09:30 <mirabilos> in DOS, you could use both, most of the time

09:31 <KathrynM> I figured it would be nicer to translate my directory paths to windows speak.  I was giving instructions on how to set up the power users app for einstein

09:32 <Didactylos> mirabilos: You could? I never noticed!

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09:41 <mirabilos> I never cared, as I grew up on DOS

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10:44 * Excelsi0r has now half of the mouth completely unsensitive

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10:52 <Ageless93> http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/healthy-pleasure-juice.jpg anyone?

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10:53 <Excelsi0r> have a beer ?

10:53 <Ageless93> no thanks, some juice is good enough.

10:53 <KathrynM_> crud.  I grew  tail

10:53 <Ageless93> else tea or water

10:54 <Romulus> work gen wiki page was not allowed.

10:54 <KathrynM_> ohnos...  rommie is back

10:54 <Excelsi0r> I was just talking about hop juice :)

10:55 <Ageless93> does that make you feel like you're filled with beans? If not, save it for a rainy day. ;)

10:55 <Excelsi0r> Hi KathrynM, how are you ?

10:56 <Excelsi0r> filled with beans ? huh

10:56 <Ageless93> from my link...

10:56 <Excelsi0r> oh yes

10:57 <Excelsi0r> I really prefer my hop juice now...

10:57 <Ageless93> so everyone got up and kissed the Earth for Earth Day before going about your business?

10:57 <Excelsi0r> of course, we all do that :)

10:58 <Ageless93> I didn't. I stumbled over the cat who was hungry and then continued on.

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10:58 <Ageless93> only found out later that heck today is Earth Day. The weather here is nice, it's 20C or so.

10:58 <Ageless93> good for ED

10:58 <Excelsi0r> yeah, I saw that at work by browsing google

10:59 <Excelsi0r> And right now I couldn't kiss anything

10:59 <Excelsi0r> (and whatever I won't kiss earth)

10:59 <Ageless93> find a spot of convrete first

10:59 <Ageless93> earth won't mind that

11:00 <Excelsi0r> (unless you show me a well-made gal named earth :p)

11:01 * Ageless93 points at KathrynM

11:01 <Excelsi0r> I'm surrounded by concrete ATM :)

11:01 <KathrynM_> why am I getting pointed at?

11:01 <Excelsi0r> because of the well-mad egal

11:02 <Excelsi0r> I suppose

11:05 <KathrynM_> oh well

11:05 <KathrynM_> I'm going to bed.  WE're taking the kids on a picnic tomorrow.  Just kill me now.

11:05 * KathrynM_ is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

11:05 <PovAddict> lol

11:05 <PovAddict> should be fun

11:05 <PovAddict> (??)

11:05 <KathrynM_> fun...  like a root canal

11:06 <PovAddict> eek

11:06 <Excelsi0r> don't bring the GP that time, they could eat it :)

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13:46 <beoba> im getting "temporarily unavailable" when trying to sign up for seti@home, and the website also appears to be largely down. has this been going on for a while?

13:46 <beoba> in other words, how temporary is "temporary"?

13:47 <yoyo[RKN]> 1-2 weeks ;)

13:47 <beoba> also, i had an account maybe 10 years ago, would that account necessarily still exist?

13:48 <beoba> or would i be better off just creating a new account? (of course assuming the site ever allows that again)

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13:48 <mirabilos> toller nick

13:50 <beoba> woop just found this: Standing Outage Notice: Every Tuesday morning (Pacific Time) we have a regular 3-4 hour outage for database backup (and other system maintenance). Most servers and web site functions will be off during these outages.

13:50 <beoba> hopefully its just that..

13:55 <Tank_Master> it is

13:55 <Tank_Master> they do a DB backup every week

13:56 <Tank_Master> was your old account with SETI clasic or the BOINC SETI?

13:56 <beoba> classic

13:56 <Tank_Master> then yes, you will need to creat a new account

13:56 <beoba> i dont think boinc was around at the time

13:56 <beoba> no prob, was just curious

13:56 <Romulus> on the bunny, Ed.

13:56 <yoyo[RKN]> ui, Tank_Master is here, should I go sleeping?

13:56 <Tank_Master> ya

13:56 <Tank_Master> :P

13:57 <Tank_Master> its what, 9pm there?

13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> 8pm

13:57 <beoba> Tue Apr 22 13:57:39 EDT 2008

13:57 <Tank_Master> was close

13:58 <mirabilos> heh. 19:58, time to make coffee ;)

13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> jup, best idea today!!!

13:58 <mirabilos> I know

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14:39 <CoderForLife> excellent

14:40 <CoderForLife> brb  beverage

14:47 <CoderForLife> b

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14:50 <e-30> hey

14:50 <CoderForLife> hey

14:51 <e-30> h9ow are you soing

14:51 <CoderForLife> s'ok - w@#%ing at home ATM

14:51 <CoderForLife> u?

14:51 <e-30> welli hope my computer problems are done now i been with out a computer for a week

14:52 <CoderForLife> horrors

14:52 <beoba> wanking

14:52 <e-30> watter cooling wet boom on me \

14:52 <CoderForLife> un-good

14:53 <e-30> yea i i was thinking it got moutherboard and video but it didnt it jest need to air out

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14:54 <CoderForLife> are the mobo and vid OK?

14:54 <CoderForLife> no?

14:54 <e-30> yea but i got new ones on ther way now

14:55 <CoderForLife> nice

14:55 <e-30> well noiw i will have 2 computer up and running now after i get the parts in

14:58 <e-30> 1 quad and one duo core

14:59 <CoderForLife> pretty good

14:59 <CoderForLife> nice fleet

15:02 <e-30> well now it will be up to 3 c2d 1 c2q and 3p4

15:02 <e-30> that will be nice

15:02 <e-30> time for a reboot

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15:32 <CoderForLife> greetings MacG

15:32 <CoderForLife> um, if you're really there

15:33 <CoderForLife> else greetings anyway

15:40 * CoderForLife runs a home-brew performance analysis on his Code

15:46 <CoderForLife> bbl

15:46 <CoderForLife> ah Rommie

15:47 <CoderForLife> or not

15:48 <CoderForLife> not

15:48 <CoderForLife> ~~away

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15:58 <e-30> ok i am back now

15:58 <e-30> quad core oc to 3.1ghz from 2.4

15:58 <Tank_Master> nice

15:59 <e-30> yea on a abit p35 moutherboard

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16:22 <Tank_Master> I now got my quad running at 3.41

16:22 <Tank_Master> lets see how long it lasts ;)

16:22 <Tank_Master> 4/22/2008 1:22:16 PM||   3233 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU

16:22 <Tank_Master> 4/22/2008 1:22:16 PM||   9962 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> test it with yoyo's

16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

16:26 <Tank_Master> im in an internal team race

16:26 <Tank_Master> its running optimized einstine

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> I read the forum topic

16:27 <Tank_Master> ahh ;)

16:28 <Tank_Master> fun stuff

16:28 <Tank_Master> hows yoyo doin these days?

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> runs smooth

16:28 <Tank_Master> great

16:28 <Tank_Master> and has constant work, that even better

16:29 <yoyo[RKN]> looking for a team which will become #1

16:30 <Tank_Master> :)

16:30 <Tank_Master> dont want a team that already is?

16:31 <yoyo[RKN]> a different team should race to #1 to have more fun

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16:51 <beoba> hooray its back up

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17:21 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:21 <KathrynM__> tail got bigger...

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17:22 <Tank_Master> :)

17:22 <Tank_Master> yes, you have nice tail :D

17:22 <mirabilos> come come cat

17:22 <KathrynM> hey!

17:22 <KathrynM> :D

17:26 <CoderForLife> hey Kat

17:26 <CoderForLife> is Rommie working yet?

17:27 <CoderForLife> no joy in Boincville, the Mighty Sprocket has struck out

17:29 <PovAddict> meow

17:31 <CoderForLife> I need to get some dinner while I mull over my Code frustrations

17:31 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:48 <PovAddict> the new boinc wiki has 33 pages

17:49 <PovAddict> including advanced things like anonymous platform instructions

17:49 <PovAddict> or cc_config

17:52 <PovAddict> KathrynM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cat_and_guinea_pigs.jpg

17:53 <CoderForLife> back

17:53 * CoderForLife sits down glumly

17:53 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwwww

17:53 <KathrynM> but my gp is cuter :)

17:53 <PovAddict> have you considered sending a picture to cuteoverload.com?

17:54 <KathrynM> I thought about sending the one where she's sitting on the keyboard

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18:03 <KathrynM_> when one needs to access a file on a partition, it helps if one mounts said partition instead of swearing at the computer.....

18:03 <PovAddict> yup :)

18:06 <KathrynM_> I forgot I rebooted yesterday and the parition doesn't mount at boot

18:06 <PovAddict> been thinking of boinc communication...

18:07 <PovAddict> I had some ideas that would give a lot more power to the scheduler, and maybe lower some DB load too

18:07 <KathrynM_> oh

18:07 <PovAddict> then John McLeod gave me some SETI@Home stats and brought me back to earth - my ideas would lower DB load but with 60 requests *per second* it would bring new worse bottlenecks

18:08 <KathrynM_> ouch

18:08 <PovAddict> I never did the math of how much hits SETI gets...

18:08 <KathrynM_> probaby better for your sanity

18:10 <PovAddict> lol:

18:10 <PovAddict> "Someone want to tell me just how many projects running at the same time is -too many- projects?"

18:10 <KathrynM_> lol

18:10 <PovAddict> "I consider the line there where you have so much work that you can't complete them all in time. And since Boinc eventually learns how much work you can do, I'd say there is no such thing as too many projects :D"

18:10 <KathrynM_> awesome

18:11 <mirabilos> hehe

18:11 <mirabilos> now if the projects would support <alt_platform> so that I got work from them…

18:12 <PovAddict> &google calc

18:12 <PovAddict> damn rommie broke

18:12 <KathrynM_> someone needs to kick Romulus

18:13 <PovAddict> ooo me!

18:13 * PovAddict kicks Romulus

18:13 <KathrynM_> lol

18:13 <Romulus> I have heard of an rpm

18:13 <KathrynM_> should I request credit for the wu that crashed.  You know how much losing 0.00537295499871535 credits hurts :)

18:14 <PovAddict> o_o

18:14 <KathrynM_> ralph that crashed after like 2 seconds

18:15 <PovAddict> hmm

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18:15 <PovAddict> looks like using the real amount of active hosts from boincstats (instead of jm7's made-up amount), it's 24 requests per second, not 60

18:15 <PovAddict> but still...

18:16 <PovAddict> also, assuming six requests per host per day

18:16 <PovAddict> I should ask Eric Korpela about the exact amount

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18:26 <CoderForLife> Romulus

18:26 <KathrynM_> sleeping?

18:26 <CoderForLife> why?

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18:27 <CoderForLife> hello?

18:27 <CoderForLife> ho-hum

18:28 * wdsmia thinks CoderForLife is going though Bot withdrawl

18:30 <CoderForLife> I've seen a doctor about the extra appendage.

18:30 <wdsmia> or he just has a thing for kinky supybot apps :P

18:30 <CoderForLife> he said the wound was deep

18:32 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: how would *you* feel with a server needing to handle 120 requests a second? :)

18:32 <PovAddict> (each involving quite a few database queries)

18:32 <CoderForLife> I would feel lightly loaded

18:33 <PovAddict> i bet it would be uhm... "fun" to administrate that

18:33 <PovAddict> and fix bottlenecks etc

18:33 <CoderForLife> ask eBay

18:33 <PovAddict> heh

18:33 <PovAddict> eBay has money

18:33 <CoderForLife> um, right

18:33 <PovAddict> SETI@Home... not as much

18:33 <CoderForLife> I has some inside info on that

18:33 <PovAddict> ditto about employees

18:34 <CoderForLife> a friend was on the Accenture team that was in a bake-off with IBM on eBay's new platform

18:34 <CoderForLife> Accenture was offering a .NET architecture and IBM was offering Java

18:35 <CoderForLife> I guess you know how that turned out

18:35 <PovAddict> a war?

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18:37 <PovAddict> (there's a bit of a pun there)

18:38 <CoderForLife> yeah, a war - eBay told Accenture to stick that .NET jar in their ear

18:38 <PovAddict> lol, you got it :)

18:39 <CoderForLife> told them to cram that stuff up their mainfest

18:39 <CoderForLife> er manifest

18:39 <KathrynM> and I thought you were talking about cookies :)

18:39 <KathrynM> I love baking cookies

18:39 <CoderForLife> yeah - session cookies

18:39 <PovAddict> who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?

18:40 <KathrynM> C is for cookie!  Thta's good enough for me!

18:40 <PovAddict> http://www.bash.org/?8102

18:40 <CoderForLife> lol  -  you need older friends

18:40 <KathrynM> lol

18:40 <CoderForLife> That's 2 - 2 cookies!  A-a-a

18:41 <PovAddict> never blame an op for stealin' cookies :)

18:41 <KathrynM> I play "C is for Cookie" every day for one of my classes.

18:41 <KathrynM> I walked into class one day and they all went "Cookie Norree" (cookie song)

18:41 <CoderForLife> Don't let anyone kind you - C is for Coding

18:41 <KathrynM> I guess I'm taking requests now

18:41 <KathrynM> :D

18:42 * CoderForLife starts another test run

18:42 <KathrynM> if java was a cookie, what kind would it be?

18:42 <KathrynM> *were a cookie

18:46 <PovAddict> http://www.bash.org/?48164

18:46 <KathrynM> lol

18:47 <KathrynM> brb -- coffee

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18:53 <PovAddict> KathrynM: what OS are you using atm?

18:53 <mirabilos> 22:53⎜*** CTCP VERSION reply from KathrynM: xchat 2.8.4 Linux 2.6.23.15-80.fc7 [i686/1.67GHz/SMP]

18:53 <mirabilos> this should answer it ☺

18:54 <mirabilos> (pah, GNU/Linux)

18:54 <Romulus> open stackwalker_win.cpp, go to a file.

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18:54 <mirabilos> häh?

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19:05 <KathrynM> Fedora PovAddict

19:05 <KathrynM> why?

19:05 <PovAddict> do you run PG?

19:05 <KathrynM> yeah  Not sure if it's on this comp tho.

19:05 <KathrynM> It's definitely on the core2

19:06 <KathrynM> but I can attach

19:06 <CoderForLife> "if I only had a brain"

19:06 <KathrynM> story of my life CoderForLife

19:07 <CoderForLife> A mind is a terrible thing to lose

19:07 <CoderForLife> thank you Dan Quayle

19:07 <KathrynM> I lost mine so long ago I don't think I'll ever find it

19:08 <CoderForLife> Of all the things I ever lost, I miss my mind the most

19:08 <Romulus> usually a few notches to climbe

19:08 <CoderForLife> lost... most...  you'd of thought those would rhyme

19:08 <KathrynM> damit  rommie's back

19:08 <KathrynM> not in English CoderForLife

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19:09 <CoderForLife> &weather 45140

19:09 <KathrynM> correction...  rommie's annoying side is back, not his helpful one

19:09 <CoderForLife> eggzackaly

19:09 <KathrynM> :)

19:09 <efc> moo

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19:10 <KathrynM> oink

19:11 <KathrynM> why why why do they feel it's necessary to dig up the street with a jackhammer at 8am (been going on since 7)

19:11 <PovAddict> KathrynM: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/pgss3.png

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19:13 * CoderForLife still gives Araxis Merge his Coder's Seal of Approval

19:14 <CoderForLife> comparing my source code at w@#% with the source I am now testing at home

19:14 <PovAddict> decentralized source control systems are good at that too

19:14 <mirabilos> .oO(diff -wup)

19:14 <PovAddict> but they have a learning curve...

19:15 <efc> I think I figured out a way to do my sines and cosines.. actually it should be very fast (much faster than needed, for now)

19:15 <CoderForLife> I should take the time to learn Subversion

19:16 <CoderForLife> when I'm not too busy knocking out Code

19:16 <mirabilos> cvs.

19:16 * PovAddict slaps mirabilos

19:16 <mirabilos> definitively cvs.

19:16 <mirabilos> and it has a superb manual, called the cederqvist

19:16 <PovAddict> svn kicks cvs's arse any day

19:16 <mirabilos> best software docs I ever saw

19:16 <mirabilos> hah, no

19:16 <mirabilos> svn doesn't even do real branches

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19:16 <mirabilos> just cheap copies, which isn't the same

19:16 <mirabilos> and totally lacks features

19:16 <mirabilos> like vendor branch n-way merging

19:17 <mirabilos> and it can't even do $MyID$

19:17 <PovAddict> cvs doesn't even have repo-wide version numbers

19:17 <mirabilos> GNU CVS 1.12.4(IIRC) and above do

19:17 <mirabilos> if desired, that is ;-)

19:17 <efc> we use CVS at work.. one thing we couldn't get it to do reasonably was rename files

19:18 <mirabilos> don't do that then

19:18 <mirabilos> think before coding ;-)

19:18 <efc> The command is there but it is really not a good idea

19:18 <mirabilos> no, there is no command for renaming in cvs.

19:18 <efc> There is, but it stinks

19:18 <PovAddict> $MyID$?

19:18 <mirabilos> read http://www.mirbsd.org/man/cvs.info once

19:18 <PovAddict> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.advanced.props.special.keywords.html

19:18 <mirabilos> no, there is none.

19:18 <efc> I'll let you google for it then

19:18 <mirabilos> povaddict: svn has only pre-defined keywords

19:19 <CoderForLife> since CVS is being deprecated and SVN makes up for it's weaknesses, I thought I would embrace the future

19:19 <mirabilos> efc: with an about 80k file cvs repository and having edited parts of the cvs manual AND source code, I think I know there is none :p

19:19 <CoderForLife> but that's just me..

19:19 <mirabilos> cvs isn't deprecated either

19:19 <mirabilos> it's still under active development, that's just missed by the people spreading FUD

19:19 <CoderForLife> uh, yep

19:19 <mirabilos> same goes for xfree86 fwiw

19:20 <efc> I regret I wasted my time finding this. http://www.cvsnt.org/manual/html/Moving-files.html

19:20 <mirabilos> and svn has a lot more weaknesses than cvs

19:20 <CoderForLife> I see - a religious issue

19:20 <mirabilos> although, for both is valid that you can learn to live with them once you know them

19:20 * mirabilos thinks it's harder for svn though

19:20 <CoderForLife> never mind - you're right

19:20 <mirabilos> and cvs is by far faster.

19:20 <CoderForLife> may SVN burn in hell

19:20 <PovAddict> mirabilos: use git if you care about speed

19:20 <mirabilos> git is no version control system

19:21 <mirabilos> it's a patch management system

19:21 <mirabilos> there is no cvs rename command:

19:21 <mirabilos>    This feature is only supported on CVSNT servers 2.0.55 and later.

19:21 <PovAddict> that's nitpicking

19:21 <mirabilos> that's cvsnt not cvs.

19:21 <CoderForLife> several "experts" at the Java symposium lied to me I guess

19:21 <mirabilos> I wouldn't take the words java and expert in once sentence if I were you

19:21 <CoderForLife> they must have been Subversiontologists

19:22 <PovAddict> mirabilos: and I wouldn't put 'cvs' and 'good' in one sentence either; it's a matter of opinion

19:22 <CoderForLife> I should obviously take your word as expert testimony

19:22 <mirabilos> besides, that finnish study aborter has already fucked up an OS kernel, I wouldn't want to trust my precious data to his patch management system

19:22 <wdsmia> asks mirabilos to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:23 <mirabilos> cvs does have weaknesses, true, but what doesn't ;)

19:23 <CoderForLife> The Church of CVS

19:23 <PovAddict> mirabilos: you mean Linus?

19:23 <mirabilos> yes

19:23 <PovAddict> he's a total a$$

19:23 * CoderForLife had got better things to do

19:23 <CoderForLife> I did, and I do

19:24 <CoderForLife> laterz

19:24 <mirabilos> yeah

19:24 <PovAddict> good dev. but can't take an opinion, and won't *ever* say somebody else is right :)

19:24 <mirabilos> I'm almost sleeping as well

19:24 <mirabilos> heh. good dev? I know someone who was told off by linus because he dared to tell him, in 1.x times, that he better make stable APIs

19:25 <mirabilos> current linux kernel core team official position is that it's glibc's job to do that...

19:25 <mirabilos> while I kind of dislike drepper and his crew, I feel sorry for them

19:25 <mirabilos> I wouldn't want to do that ;)

19:26 <PovAddict> Linus Torvalds on C++: http://warp.povusers.org/OpenLetters/ResponseToTorvalds.html

19:26 <mirabilos> uhm, I'd rather not look, I have my own opinions on C++ as well…

19:26 <PovAddict> well at least maybe you have a real argument

19:26 <mirabilos> hehe

19:26 <mirabilos> I have enough…

19:27 <PovAddict> Linus's argument is "C++ sucks, C rocks, and everything who disagrees is an idiot"; and never gives real technical reasons

19:27 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:27 <mirabilos> let's just say it's too complex

19:27 <mirabilos> ah. okay.

19:27 <PovAddict> and also generalizes way too much

19:27 <mirabilos> that's indeed not a way to make people agree

19:27 <PovAddict> like saying anyone who codes in C++ is a crap programmer

19:27 <mirabilos> wtf is with wdsmia

19:27 <Romulus> OK, so I'll just have to p!@# your turn ;)

19:28 <mirabilos> someone should tell him/her that non-US-americans don't have problems with "language"

19:28 <mirabilos> well, you can code C in C++

19:28 <mirabilos> that's (almost) perfectly valid ;-)

19:28 <mirabilos> heck, I even coded C in Java™ once

19:28 <PovAddict> why don't you go look at BOINC code

19:28 <mirabilos> (and probably even beat performance of the “trivial” solution)

19:29 <mirabilos> I saw some little portion of it, and it didn't disgust me directly, so you can take that as a plus ;-)

19:29 <PovAddict> it's C, with a class or two, and using C++ std library here and there...

19:29 <KathrynM> i thought reading boinc code was a form of torture

19:29 <PovAddict> there's a potential buffer overflow in every other line of code

19:29 <mirabilos> hehe

19:30 * mirabilos has Propolice

19:30 <mirabilos> that helps

19:30 <PovAddict> with?

19:30 <mirabilos> buffer overflows

19:30 <PovAddict> if you mean it helps security-wise, that's irrelevant here

19:30 <mirabilos> not integer overflows though

19:30 <mirabilos> yes

19:30 <PovAddict> the problem is with crashes

19:30 <mirabilos> yep

19:31 <PovAddict> from a security standpoint, it's not a problem if a corrupted reply from a project server can cause a buffer overflow

19:31 <mirabilos> anyway, you can write crap in every language

19:31 <PovAddict> since that project already has control over your machine anyway, with science apps :)

19:31 <PovAddict> however, it may unintentionally cause client crashes

19:32 * KathrynM would be having a good day if I wrote crap

19:33 <mirabilos> most crashes I had were due to missing DLLs though (projects just don't know how to use -static)

19:33 <mirabilos> second most: missing syscalls

19:33 <mirabilos> almost always linux_sys_set_thread_area()

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19:47 <xcamel> Hola!

19:47 <KathrynM> hiya xcamel

19:47 <PovAddict> hey

19:48 <xcamel> well I'll be damned.. rom kept running...

19:48 <PovAddict> yes but he doesn't reply

19:48 <PovAddict> he does give random markov chains now and then

19:48 <KathrynM> his annoying side works, but not his useful side

19:48 <xcamel> hmmm..

19:49 <PovAddict> maybe he's "lobotomized"?

19:49 <efc> moo x

19:49 <xcamel> probably because I started it remotely

19:49 <BadBarbarian> 'Lo Xcamel

19:49 <BadBarbarian> 'lo efc

19:49 <xcamel> unless someone has another idea..

19:50 <xcamel> 'lo BB, Ed, all

19:50 <mirabilos> heh, an apostrophe and two letters, that looked like nroff...

19:51 * mirabilos should REALLY go to bed

19:51 <BadBarbarian> lol

19:51 <mirabilos> why ever I expected to read nroff source in irc

19:51 <KathrynM> you never know what you'll find in #boinc

19:51 <KathrynM> bbiab -- shower

19:52 <mirabilos> yeah, now I know there are hardcore cvs haters and c++ fans here…

19:52 <mirabilos> hf

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19:53 <PovAddict> maybe *you* are a hardcode cvs lover and svn hater...

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19:55 <mirabilos> well, I use both very extensively…

19:55 <mirabilos> I'm just an OS developer, you know

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20:08 <xcamel> trying it again

20:08 <PovAddict> &ping

20:08 <Romulus> pong

20:08 <xcamel> seems working now

20:09 <xcamel> &wx MMLP

20:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 5:52 PM MDT; Clear. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Clear. High:93 F. / 34 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:93 F. / 34 C.; Clear. Low:60 F. / 16 C.;

20:09 <xcamel> ok..

20:09 <PovAddict> can you take it out of #boinc_dev - or at least disable markov for that channel?

20:09 <xcamel> now will it stay when I log out..

20:10 <xcamel> you can't disable part of it for a specific channel

20:11 <PovAddict> documentation says supybot.plugins.Markov.randomSpeaking.probability is a channel-specific setting...

20:11 <PovAddict> http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Markov.html

20:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/68z8a> (at supybot.sourceforge.net)

20:13 <xcamel> markov isn't my problem at the moment..

20:13 <Soul_keeper> bla

20:21 <KathrynM> off to w&#^

20:21 <KathrynM> laterz

20:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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20:50 <BadBarbarian> howdy wdsmia

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22:14 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

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22:29 <Tank_Master> I

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23:17 <beoba> hi, ive set up an account and attached it to seti@home, and ive noticed that the modern screensaver only shows a percentage for the current WU, with none of the pretty graphs that were shown previously (several years ago). does anyone know of an option or additional download to get shiny screensaver graphs while the WU is being processed?

23:17 <beoba> i found some strange 3d accell thing but it isnt terribly useful as it prefers to spin continuously

23:20 <BadBarbarian> if you have an optimized app for seti to speed thing up they do away with the screen saver it take cpu power

23:21 <beoba> uh, i just got the default boinc install off the site

23:21 <beoba> x64 windows to be exact

23:22 <beoba> ive found some sort of preferences which are oddly set via the website, but they dont appear to have an effect, even after manually doing an "update" from the client

23:22 <BadBarbarian> you should run abc its native to 64bit

23:22 <BadBarbarian> or tsp

23:23 <beoba> that's not helping

23:24 <BadBarbarian> sorry

23:31 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:10:16)

23:32 <BadBarbarian> Hi Ya Kat

23:32 <BadBarbarian> hows the weather in asia

23:32 <KathrynM> raining

23:32 <KathrynM> just got back from a picnic

23:32 <KathrynM> I'm trying to unsoggify myself

23:33 <BadBarbarian> ok

23:33 <BadBarbarian> whens the monsoon there

23:33 <KathrynM> another month or so I guess

23:33 <BadBarbarian> lol starting early

23:33 <KathrynM> it's supposed to be nice tomorrow.  I have no idea why they insisted on the picnic today

23:34 <BadBarbarian> well i finally got my quad up and running

23:35 <KathrynM> nice

23:35 <BadBarbarian> just put the last windows update in i guess its time to backup

23:35 <Romulus> What does it take to render via BOINC?

23:36 <BadBarbarian> romy is acting strange tonite

23:36 <KathrynM> that's different than usual?

23:36 <BadBarbarian> LOL true

23:36 <BadBarbarian> no

23:36 <beoba> there we go, at least got the "graphics" thing about how i'd like

23:37 <beoba> via this info: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_graphics.php

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