IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-04-30

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00:26 <Tank_Master> wb KM

00:32 <Soul_keeper>      hans convicted

00:32 <Romulus> <> (at

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04:57 <CoderForLife> morning - brb - fetching breakfast

05:04 <CoderForLife> b

05:04 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 41.0F / 5.0C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. (1 more message)

05:05 <CoderForLife> &more

05:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

05:12 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:29 <CoderForLife> &quiet

05:29 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

05:29 <Romulus> but if it takes down everything when one turkey doesn't know what was that I-275 (across the top) had slowed to a file it has a great parrot treat that Ruby/Gregor will likely love...

05:30 * CoderForLife wanders off in the direction of w@#%

05:54 * KathrynM wanders in the direction of the tb

05:54 <KathrynM> errr

05:54 <KathrynM> tv

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06:11 <CoderForLife> OK - time to leave for w@#% - fire, aim, ready - er, ready, aim, fire

06:11 <Romulus> However, that shouldn't impact getting work

06:11 <CoderForLife> lol - don't know about that, Rommie

06:11 * CoderForLife launches from the torpedo tube

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06:25 <hawmps> 'lo

06:26 <hawmps> are all abc workunits crapping out lately?

06:26 <KathrynM> dunno.  Let me go check my account

06:27 <KathrynM> nope.  not for me on 64 bit Linux

06:27 <hawmps> hmm..

06:27 <hawmps> these are 32 bit

06:28 <KathrynM> what's the error?

06:28 <hawmps> computation error

06:29 <KathrynM> what does it say on the wu page on the website?

06:29 <KathrynM> link to a bad one

06:31 <Didactylos> Why is BOINC 6 a major version?

06:32 <KathrynM> I thought it was a major pain

06:32 <Didactylos> It's like Vista - all the promised features were taken out.

06:32 <Didactylos> What's left?

06:32 <KathrynM> windows sandboxing?

06:33 <Didactylos> ...and that's really about it. Certainly not worth a major release.

06:33 <KathrynM> graphics?

06:33 <Didactylos> Nope.

06:33 <Romulus> MTughan_: also, no flicker in any cases...

06:34 <Didactylos> And hundreds out outstanding bugs.

06:36 <Didactylos> Charlie says BOINC 6 is "nearly ready".

06:36 <KathrynM> I saw that.

06:36 <Didactylos> I like his optimism, but still... total bull.

06:36 <KathrynM> I almost snorted milk out my nose

06:36 <hawmps> or hundreds of bugs left outstanding, as there are no "outstanding bugs"

06:40 <Didactylos> 45 releases for 5.10. I still can't believe it.

06:41 <Didactylos> Changing the network library? Oh, a minor change - put it into production!

06:41 * Didactylos feels justifiably bitter.

06:41 <KathrynM> the whole 5.10 cycle was somewhat of a disaster

06:43 <Didactylos> Nicely understated.

06:43 <KathrynM> I was trying to be positive.

06:44 <KathrynM> David's been in lala land lately.

06:44 <Didactylos> I think I'm still p-ed off after he was rude to me.

06:44 <Didactylos> Way to retain volunteers!

06:44 <KathrynM> when was this?

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06:45 <Didactylos> Not long ago.

06:45 <Didactylos> s/me/me and Nicolas/

06:46 <KathrynM> I've really stepped back.  I've just not had time or energy to dedicate.

06:46 <Didactylos> I think he takes criticism of BOINC personally.

06:46 <Didactylos> And it's constructive criticism, too (mostly) - not just sniping.

06:46 <DerMeister> And if you only look at the code a lot of criticism is necessary...

06:47 <Didactylos> Seems I'm not the only one with "fork" popping into his head all the time.

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11:20 <BadBarbarian> 'lo all

11:20 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

11:20 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 29.58in / 1002hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Today - Breezy. Mostly sunny. Highs around 58 on the North Rim to around 83 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; Tonight - Breezy. Mostly clear. Lows around 28 on the North Rim to around 32 along the (2 more messages)

11:20 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:20 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 40 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Cooler. Mostly sunny. Highs around 45 on the North Rim to around 72 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming northwest around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 7:00 PM MST on April 30, 2008; Fire Weather Warning for (1 more message)

11:21 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:21 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Coconino County in effect until 8:00 PM MST on April 30, 2008;

11:30 <quail> evening all

11:31 <BadBarbarian> Hi Quail

11:31 <quail> BadBarbarian: how are things?

11:31 <BadBarbarian> Good

11:32 <BadBarbarian> my quad is doing well on abc

11:32 <quail> :-) :-)

11:32 * quail just having a 1am snack

11:33 <BadBarbarian> 31k in 7 days lol

11:33 <BadBarbarian> am just waking up here its my day off lol

11:34 <quail> I am working on this server I have to have back on friday

11:34 <BadBarbarian> I have two quads to buold for other people

11:34 <BadBarbarian> build

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11:35 * quail about to brack into some lindt chilli dark chocolate

11:36 <BadBarbarian> ooooo with the peppers in it

11:36 <BadBarbarian> chilli or chili

11:36 <BadBarbarian> lol

11:37 <quail> chilli, the herd

11:38 <quail> BadBarbarian: it yummy stuff

11:40 <quail> leaves a nice after burn :-)

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11:56 <hawmps> boo..

11:56 <hawmps> 'lo BB, Q

11:57 <PovAddict> Didactylos: still around?

11:57 <Didactylos> Kind of.

12:08 <quail> B00 hawmps

12:09 * quail trying to get this chocolate chilli layer out of his mouth

12:10 <quail> the chocolate tasty but the chilli getting bit over the top atm

12:10 <quail> I like my chilli, but not like this

12:12 <hawmps> Don't feel too bad - a few snowflakes just blew by...

12:12 <quail> and?

12:12 <Romulus> I guess and is with no internet for like a month, quail

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12:12 <quail> ok Romulus

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12:25 <BadBarbarian> the maya put chili in there hot chocolate

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12:33 <yoyo[RKN]> re

12:40 <quail> my laptop is a dog

12:41 <BadBarbarian> i hear intel will release the quad laptop cpu in the fall quater

12:41 <quail> it got what my desktop has installed but it will not do what my desktop does

12:42 <quail> meaning there a software stuff up somewere and do you think I can find it

12:42 <BadBarbarian> lol

12:44 <BadBarbarian> woohoo 2 days till my 2nd year on boinc

12:44 <BadBarbarian> lol

12:45 <BadBarbarian> sorry 'lo Hawmps

12:45 * quail going to have a trashing session soon

12:46 <BadBarbarian> 'lo POV

12:47 * quail just diff'ed the packages installed on laptop and desktop and the only diff is the dev packages on my desktop

12:47 <quail> now why does my laptop not want to do what my desktop does when it the same installed software

12:48 * quail not happy

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13:36 <desti>

13:36 <Romulus> Title: Lunix - Encyclopedia Dramatica (at

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13:58 <PovAddict> does this formatting seem like a good idea?

13:58 <Romulus> <> (at

13:58 <PovAddict> compare...

13:58 <Romulus> <> (at

13:58 * PovAddict slaps the bot

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14:30 <moepman> &whatis lnux

14:30 <Romulus> moepman: Error: No factoid matches that key.

14:30 <moepman> &whatis linux

14:30 <Romulus> moepman: "linux" could be

14:31 <moepman> ok, have that

14:31 <moepman> i have a big problem here... i installed the boinc client, but i cannot connect to the service

14:32 <moepman> what password is required there?

14:32 <PovAddict> lack of context...

14:32 <PovAddict> no idea what password you're talking about :)

14:32 <Romulus> Oh... I just have this problem at primegrid... And there all applications use wrappers...

14:33 <moepman> PovAddict, i want to use boinc for linux... i started the service, started the manager, and now?

14:33 <moepman> PovAddict, cannot connect to the client, cannot attach to a project

14:33 <PovAddict> do you get the 'attach to project' wizard?

14:33 <moepman> no

14:34 <PovAddict> what Linux distro do you have?

14:34 <PovAddict> how did you install it?

14:34 <PovAddict> er, how did you install BONC that is

14:34 <PovAddict> BOINC*

14:34 <PovAddict> (ugh)

14:34 <moepman> i emerged it (gentoo linux package manager)

14:34 <PovAddict> and got 5.10.45?

14:34 <moepman> yes

14:35 <PovAddict> and how did you start the client?

14:35 <moepman> /etc/init.d/boinc start

14:36 <moepman> and then boinc_gui

14:36 <PovAddict> and boinc_gui asked you for a password?

14:36 <moepman> yes

14:36 <PovAddict> the password is in /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

14:36 <PovAddict> you may change it by editing that file and running "/etc/init.d/boinc restart"

14:37 <PovAddict> <- looks like pretty good docs

14:37 <Romulus> Title: Boinc - Gentoo Linux Wiki (at

14:38 <moepman> it was just the pw i was looking for

14:38 <moepman> its working now

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14:39 <moepman> hmm

14:39 <moepman> only one cpu... i have 4

14:40 <PovAddict> look at the top of the log - does it say "Processor: "?

14:40 <PovAddict> mine says 26/04/2008 23:18:18||Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ [x86 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2]

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14:44 <moepman> PovAddict, thanks for your help... now my network will be crunching again... 26cpus

14:44 <PovAddict> is it using all CPUs now?

14:44 <moepman> yes

14:44 <moepman> found the config dialog

14:45 <moepman> it is too small so the cpu box was out of sight

14:45 <PovAddict> you better change it in the project website instead, so it affects all computers

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14:46 <moepman> not all comuters have that many pus

14:46 <PovAddict> doesn't matter, that's the *limit*

14:47 <PovAddict> set it to 64 so that it uses all the CPUs available :) (unless you have a machine with more than 64, then you have to increase some more)

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14:59 <hawmps> got the modbook today... very cool...

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15:04 <e-30> hey

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15:09 <Didactylos> Hehehe! Check boinc_dev, folks.

15:09 <Romulus> thinks that 9" by 13" pans should be AdvancedFrame.cpp:244, sorry ;)

15:09 <Didactylos> The answer to all our woes!

15:09 <MTughan> You mean the BOINC Unification?

15:10 <PovAddict> ah yeah

15:10 <Didactylos> This from the guy who brought us tasteful red on black text, and let's not forget the yellow on white text..... (my eyes are still bleeding)

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15:10 <PovAddict> Microsoft buying Yahoo would help service unification too

15:10 <PovAddict> they should buy Google as well

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15:12 <DerMeister> Wouldn't be google more expensive than microsoft?

15:12 <PovAddict> :)

15:12 <MTughan> Okay, what did I miss there?

15:12 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> Microsoft buying Yahoo would help service unification too

15:12 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> they should buy Google as well

15:12 <MTughan> X crashed.

15:13 <MTughan> I don't think Microsoft buying (or taking over) Yahoo would do anyone any help.

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15:17 <PovAddict> argh

15:18 <PovAddict> wiktionary has pronunciation but not the syllable separation

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16:10 <CoderForLife> hello any and all

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16:11 <jackygrahamez> hi

16:12 <CoderForLife> hello jackygrahamez

16:12 <jackygrahamez> Hi CoderForLife

16:12 <jackygrahamez> I got database issues

16:13 <CoderForLife> The Grim Reaper will get you one way or another

16:14 <jackygrahamez> That's why I don't fear the Reaper

16:14 * CoderForLife seems to recall a song in there somewhere

16:15 <jackygrahamez>

16:15 <Romulus> <> (at

16:17 <CoderForLife> la-la-la-la la-la-la-la-

16:17 * CoderForLife sees a misty figure beckoning him

16:18 <CoderForLife> It's Mother Nature - and she's apparently upset with me

16:18 <CoderForLife> An emergency meeting in her office

16:18 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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16:20 <jackygrahamez> Don't Fear the Reaper Dude

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16:22 <jackygrahamez> My Project Management does not let me query anything with additional conditions

16:23 <jackygrahamez> The feeder stops generating results

16:23 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: if you just show all results, do you see any with outcome=1?

16:23 <jackygrahamez> yes I got results with a simple search and sort by workunit id

16:23 <PovAddict> and does any match the query you're using?

16:24 <PovAddict> like outcome=1

16:24 <jackygrahamez> for instance

16:24 <jackygrahamez> Query: select * from result where client_state = '3' order by workunitid desc

16:24 <jackygrahamez> 0 records match the query. Displaying 1 to 0.

16:24 <jackygrahamez> Summary | More detail | Return to main admin page

16:24 <jackygrahamez> No results found

16:24 <jackygrahamez> Query: select * from result where client_state = '3' order by workunitid desc

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16:24 <jackygrahamez> Query: select * from result where client_state = '1' order by workunitid desc

16:24 <jackygrahamez> 0 records match the query. Displaying 1 to 0.

16:24 <jackygrahamez> Summary | More detail | Return to main admin page

16:24 <jackygrahamez> No results found

16:24 <PovAddict> I mean, with a select * from result, do you see any with client_state=3?

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16:25 <jackygrahamez> yes all states are returned

16:25 <PovAddict> I think client_state uses an index

16:25 <PovAddict> get into mysql from the command line

16:26 <jackygrahamez> I did a little of that too

16:26 <jackygrahamez> mysql> select count(id) from result;

16:26 <jackygrahamez> ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query

16:26 <PovAddict> and do "repair table result"

16:27 <jackygrahamez> ERROR 2006 (HY000): MySQL server has gone away

16:27 <PovAddict> :\

16:27 <PovAddict> look at your mysqld.log

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16:29 <xcamel> RE-HI

16:29 <xcamel> ooh... sorry..

16:29 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

16:30 <xcamel> one neopower 550 solved that fubar..

16:30 <xcamel> and one "unbusted" fan...

16:30 <jackygrahamez> I'm trying to paste multiple lines here

16:30 <MTughan> &pastebin

16:30 <jackygrahamez> suddenly having trouble

16:30 <CoderForLife> which fubar Jay

16:30 <xcamel> lledgerock winbox alive again..

16:30 <CoderForLife> ah

16:30 <MTughan> Rommie ain't...

16:30 <jackygrahamez> &pastebin

16:31 <MTughan> jackygrahamez:

16:31 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - simplified internet collaboration (at

16:31 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:31 <MTughan> &list alias

16:31 <Romulus> MTughan: #boinc, 8b, 8ball, add, answer, bchset, beer, bighello, bticket, bw, bye, cad, cake, coffee, countdown, cpu, damnpointers, ding, donkeyscoffee, eclipse, espresso, explosm, g2g, hello, hny, icetea, jfgi, liberalcoffee, lock, lol, math, mornin, nn, pastebin, pizza, pong, qc, quiet, remove, sleep, social, stfu, syn, tea, teal'c, thanks, unlock, wrong, wrong2, wx, xkcd, and yum

16:31 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.5F / 6.9C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of sprinkles this evening... then mostly clear after midnight. Widespread frost after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph this evening...becoming (2 more messages)

16:31 <CoderForLife> it's personal against you MTughan

16:31 <xcamel> yeah'tiz

16:31 <MTughan> &pastebin

16:31 <MTughan> So it seems Coder.

16:31 <MTughan> &help alias pastebin

16:31 <Romulus> MTughan: (alias pastebin <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "Pastebin it!".

16:31 <xcamel> pastebin isn't loaded

16:31 <MTughan> Oh...

16:32 <MTughan> &alias add pastebin "echo Pastebin it!"

16:32 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

16:32 <MTughan> &pastebin

16:32 <Romulus> Pastebin it!

16:32 <xcamel> asking the botmaster might have helped..

16:32 <MTughan> I made an alias for it.

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16:34 <MTughan> 'lo Ageless

16:34 <Ageless93> busy on BOINC Dev. BOINC Unification? The server would be slow.

16:34 <jackygrahamez> So I pasted the mysql log here

16:34 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 1003271 (at

16:35 <jackygrahamez> 80430 20:25:54 [Warning] Neither --relay-log nor --relay-log-index were used; so replication may break when this MySQL server acts as a slave and has his hostname changed!! Please use '--relay-log=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld-relay-bin' to avoid this problem.

16:35 <MTughan> What's the problem anyway? I think you and Pov were talking about it.

16:35 <jackygrahamez> Any idea what that --relay-log does?

16:35 <xcamel> hmm.. no pastebin plugin exists...

16:36 <jackygrahamez> I got a database issue

16:36 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: you don't use replication, so I don't think that line is relevant

16:36 <MTughan> xcamel: If one did, I'd never heard of it either.

16:36 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: try just connecting to mysql again - maybe it just timed out

16:36 <PovAddict> and do the repair table thing

16:36 <MTughan> I just knew I had added that cheesy alias a while ago.

16:36 <Romulus> Apps and Account pages are working.

16:36 <PovAddict> also - stop the daemons (./bin/stop)

16:36 <jackygrahamez> I tried the repair table, I'll post that error message

16:37 <jackygrahamez> I've been doing this stop and start for two days now

16:37 <PovAddict> leave it stopped

16:37 <jackygrahamez> For how long?

16:37 <PovAddict> you don't want the daemons around while the database is corrupted

16:38 <PovAddict> ideally, also "touch stop_web"

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16:39 <jackygrahamez> good

16:39 <jackygrahamez> did the repair without the daemons this time

16:45 <jackygrahamez> hydrogen.result | repair | note     | The storage engine for the table doesn't support repair

16:45 <PovAddict> oh fun

16:46 <PovAddict> $ touch stop_web

16:47 <jackygrahamez> from bash?

16:47 <PovAddict> yes

16:47 <PovAddict> looks like only way will be dumping the result table to a file, deleting it, and loading the dump back

16:48 <jackygrahamez> hmm

16:48 <PovAddict> and in the middle of that, nothing else should be touching the database (like the website), that's why the stop_web

16:48 <PovAddict>

16:48 <Romulus> <> (at

16:49 <Romulus> what do you use irssi?

16:49 <MTughan> Little thing of interest: how old do people think BOINC 5.4.11 is? :D

16:49 <MTughan> I've got a Windows installer for 5.4.11, never deleted it. Also have 5.8.16.

16:50 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:50 <PovAddict> MTughan:

16:50 <xcamel> mike - got the modbook - pretty nice...

16:52 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: mysqldump {database} result > result_dump.sql

16:52 <MTughan> Actually, that changeset is going to be the closest I can get. The file was modified last week for some reason.

16:52 <PovAddict> {database} would be 'hydrogen' I guess... you'd know :)

16:52 <MTughan> But that's pretty old...

16:52 <PovAddict> MTughan: you mean in /dl/? not last week, note year

16:53 <MTughan> No, a downloaded copy I have.

16:53 <PovAddict> if you look at the server, there's lots of files modified 16-Apr-2007 15:06

16:53 <MTughan> April 22nd, 2008, it was modified.

16:53 <PovAddict> that's when they moved them to a new server or something

16:53 <MTughan> So I just happened to pick up the right time of year for that. :P

16:54 <jackygrahamez> remind me how to restore

16:54 <MTughan> Also, NTFS-3G is working fine for reading my XP partition.

16:54 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: did you dump?

16:54 <jackygrahamez> yes

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16:55 <PovAddict> just pipe the dump into mysql (with the needed switches for database and authentication)

16:55 <PovAddict> likle

16:56 <PovAddict> mysql -usomeusername -psomepassword hydrogen < result_dump.sql

16:56 <jackygrahamez> and before that I need to drop that table?

16:56 <PovAddict> the dump file will do it

16:56 <PovAddict> it has a DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `result`;

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16:59 <jackygrahamez> ahh I see

16:59 <jackygrahamez> 22:DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `result`;

17:02 <jackygrahamez> sweet :D

17:02 <jackygrahamez> Your a saint PovAddict

17:06 <jackygrahamez> Now I do helpdesk for a living and sometimes people ask me, why did such and such happen, that's when I tell them to take a hike

17:06 <jackygrahamez> why my result table got corrupted may be one of those things, right?

17:16 <PovAddict> any power problem recently?

17:17 <jackygrahamez> I did a reboot because I was trouble shooting another issue

17:17 <PovAddict> and maybe mysql didn't quit cleanly

17:18 <jackygrahamez> The other issue is results not getting generated, which might be part of the same problem

17:18 <jackygrahamez> I'll keep an eye on things

17:20 <wdsmia> re -hi

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17:23 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:23 <wdsmia> Hi Jay

17:27 <PovAddict> 6 days left for me to reach 300k

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17:42 <CoderForLife> back

17:42 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:42 <CoderForLife> re-hi Jay

17:42 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:42 <CoderForLife> and re-hi PovAddict

17:43 <CoderForLife> just did some quick yardwork - flower stuff actually

17:43 <CoderForLife> moving the gladiolas from out of the path of the equipment tracks

17:46 <xcamel> That guy managed not to go completely over the cliff?

17:53 <MTughan> Well, now that my Mac is out for now, my 300K time has been pushed back at least a month. And my RAC is still high from E@H on my Mac.

17:55 <MTughan> 495 from breaking a quarter mil though.

17:55 <MTughan> 495 credits, that is.

17:57 <PovAddict> 250k: Target will be reached in 0.91 days on May 1 2008

17:58 <PovAddict> 275k: Target will be reached in 46.87 days on June 16 2008

17:58 <MTughan> 250K:

17:58 <MTughan> Target will be reached in 0.91 days on May 1 2008

17:58 <PovAddict> I know, I was checking yours

17:59 <MTughan> Oh... Where are you?

17:59 <PovAddict> 295k :D

17:59 <Romulus> any of the avi's not all that imporant

17:59 <PovAddict> that's why only 5 days for 300k

17:59 <MTughan> Just wait until I get a dual core Mac and a quad core Linux machine running. xD

18:00 <PovAddict>

18:00 <Romulus> <> (at

18:00 <PovAddict> waiting :)

18:00 <wdsmia> Piff ...Rookies

18:01 <MTughan> So when I had both machines running, I was actually making more credits than you. You can see when my Mac went out.

18:01 <PovAddict> I know, wdsmia

18:01 <MTughan> wdsmia: Some of us don't exactly have jobs.

18:01 <MTughan> Paying jobs, that is.

18:01 <PovAddict>

18:01 <Romulus> <> (at

18:01 <PovAddict> we're ants

18:01 <MTughan> xD

18:03 <MTughan> Yeah, neither of us exactly has a 24,000 RAC.

18:03 <wdsmia> mine is only that low because of all the LHC im crunching

18:03 <PovAddict> zombie67 has 33k RAC

18:04 <PovAddict>

18:04 <Romulus> <> (at

18:04 <MTughan> Okay, now you're just making me feel depressed.

18:04 <PovAddict> lol

18:05 <PovAddict> well just found a friend's account

18:05 <wdsmia>

18:05 <PovAddict> when he comes back online I'll give him the link, to prove it didn't get deleted for inactivity :)

18:05 <Romulus> <> (at

18:05 <PovAddict> 285 total credits

18:06 <DerMeister> nice :)

18:07 <MTughan> wdsmia: Yes, we know you have a lot of computers. You don't need to prove it.

18:10 <wdsmia> :p

18:13 <MTughan> You know you had your computer on too long when you got used to the position of the programs in the taskbar, and now you're messed up when they move.

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18:39 <PovAddict> &web title

18:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4096 bytes.

18:40 <PovAddict> &web title

18:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: HTTP Error 404: Not Found

18:44 <PovAddict> DNS propagages fast sometimes

18:44 <PovAddict> propagates*

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19:10 <CoderForLife> back again

19:10 <KathrynM> mornin' CoderForLife

19:10 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

19:10 <Romulus> is back (gone 06:30:04)

19:11 <CoderForLife> switching to boinc_dev to do a Coder's lament

19:11 <KathrynM> I'm almost afraid to look

19:13 <Ageless93> I'm not looking over my shoulder

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19:13 <Ageless93> never interfere when your woman is installing a new videocard.

19:13 <KathrynM> lol

19:14 <Ageless93> help when she asks for help but mind the rest of your own damn business

19:14 <KathrynM> good rule to follow

19:14 * Ageless93 looks at the couch

19:14 <CoderForLife> my carbon-based wife form does not install video cards

19:15 <Ageless93> I think I'll go back to C&C 3 TW, it's safer in there even though all of Nod is shooting at me.

19:16 <KathrynM> :)

19:16 <Ageless93> any changes already at Seti? Or would that only start May 1st when people come into the office CA time?

19:16 <BadBarbarian> 'lo Kat

19:17 <KathrynM> I haven't looked.

19:17 <KathrynM> hiya BB

19:17 <BadBarbarian> hows asia treating you

19:17 <KathrynM> ok

19:18 <PovAddict> back

19:18 <BadBarbarian> oh by the way i am doing 2 weeks in singapore this year lol

19:18 <Romulus> long way to die

19:18 <KathrynM> nice

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19:18 <BadBarbarian> best food in asia

19:18 * KathrynM looks at my time sheet to see how much OT I'll have

19:18 <Ageless93> 'doing 2 weeks in singapore' .. jail?

19:19 <BadBarbarian> no eating my way to heaven

19:19 <Ageless93> and then jail?

19:19 <BadBarbarian> no

19:19 <BadBarbarian> i do behave when in another country

19:20 <KathrynM> half way to my ipod touch

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19:30 <xcamel> re-back

19:30 <efc> moo

19:32 <BadBarbarian> Moo to you to

19:33 <xcamel> bringing the modbook up to speed...

19:36 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:36 <xcamel> and BB

19:42 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

19:42 <CoderForLife> hello efc

19:42 <CoderForLife> hi BadBarbarian

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20:03 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

20:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 67.4F / 19.7C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.57in / 1001.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Warmer. Low in the mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. High in the lower 70s. Southeast (1 more message)

20:04 <wdsmia> &more

20:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Low in the mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

20:06 <xcamel> [cool news] Missing link' memristor created: Rewrite the textbooks?

20:06 <xcamel>

20:06 <Romulus> Title: - 'Missing link' memristor created: Rewrite the textbooks? (at

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20:07 <efc> the people over at #electronics aren't buying it

20:07 <efc> we'll see

20:08 <xcamel> scaled resistance

20:19 <BadBarbarian> "lo efc & xcamel

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20:22 <CoderForLife> very interesting xcamel

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20:31 <Ageless93> irritating NOD'ers killed my base.

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20:32 <Ageless93> hmm, split again? Should I go check at port 9001? ;)

20:36 <efc> boom

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20:42 <Ageless93> like a rollercoaster, off they go, on they come.

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20:44 <xcam_mac> hey there

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20:45 <xcam_mac> Hmmm...

20:46 <xcam_mac> Handwriting Works

20:46 <xcam_mac> Kinda Cool

20:47 <PovAddict> It Capitalizes Everything?

20:48 <xcam_mac> no

20:49 <xcam_mac> just my bad handwriting

20:51 <xcam_mac> really kind of neat

20:57 <xcam_mac> gps now on

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21:00 <xcam_mac> guess i'll play with this a bit more later

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21:34 <BadBarbarian> wow every ones gone

21:34 <xcamel> not really..

21:35 <BadBarbarian> lol

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21:43 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:43 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34.6F / 1.4C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of sprinkles this evening... then mostly clear after midnight. Widespread frost after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph this evening...becoming light and (2 more messages)

21:43 <xcamel> &more

21:43 <Romulus> xcamel: variable.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Widespread frost in the morning. Highs in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Not as cool with lows in the mid 40s. South winds around 5 mph.; Freeze Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 8:00 AM EDT on May 01, 2008; Flood Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 8:53 AM EDT on May 01, (1 more message)

21:44 <xcamel> &more

21:44 <Romulus> xcamel: 2008;

21:56 <xcamel> laterz..

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23:06 * PovAddict pokes some random people in the channel

23:09 <BadBarbarian> HeHe

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23:18 <PovAddict> dear gawd

23:18 <Romulus> hi zombie67 and thx !

23:19 <PovAddict> I think I found a bug in the BOINC code signing stuff

23:20 <PovAddict> Didactylos?

23:20 <Romulus> hmm... Didactylos is trying to base an argument on facts not in evidence, PovAddict

23:20 <Didactylos> I was just about to sleep.

23:21 <Didactylos> I've never looked at the code signing stuff.

23:21 <Didactylos> Can you give me a link?

23:21 <PovAddict> char md5_buf[MD5_LEN];

23:21 <PovAddict> [...file is md5'd and hash is stored in that buffer...]

23:21 <PovAddict> = (unsigned char*)md5_buf;

23:21 <PovAddict> in_block.len = (unsigned int)strlen(md5_buf);

23:21 <PovAddict> STRLEN?! how would that work if there is a 0x00 byte in the MD5 hash?

23:23 <PovAddict> actually, how would that work if there *isn't*... o_O

23:23 <PovAddict> overflow?

23:24 <Didactylos> Sure the buffer isn't storing a hex string, in the format it gets saved?

23:24 <PovAddict> oh looks like md5_buf holds the hash in hexadecimal... it still seems retarded to use strlen since it would be constant

23:24 <Didactylos> You know how DA loves char* for everything.

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23:25 <PovAddict> and MD5_LEN is 64

23:25 <Didactylos> PovAddict: it would be constant even if it *was* trying to get the length of the raw hash.

23:26 <PovAddict> a md5 hash is always 16 bytes

23:26 <PovAddict> a hex md5 hash is always 32 bytes

23:26 <PovAddict> + 1 if you want it null-terminated

23:26 <Didactylos> It's called buffer overrun protection: double the size of all your buffers!

23:26 <PovAddict> so 64 doesn't make much sense unless it was trying to use power-of-two-sized buffers everywhere

23:26 <Didactylos> I know this because I've been reading worsethanfailure all day.

23:27 <PovAddict> (malloc-ing buffers of power-of-two sizes is more efficient and avoids fragmentation, but this is in the freaking STACK)

23:27 <PovAddict> and since a md5 hex hash is always 32 bytes, you don't really *need* to null-terminate anyway

23:28 <PovAddict> and out of this buffer nitpicking...

23:28 <PovAddict> so...

23:28 <PovAddict> signing a file consists on encrypting the *hex* md5 hash?

23:30 <Didactylos> Isn't there some conversion stuff in there?

23:30 <PovAddict>

23:30 <Romulus> <> (at

23:31 <PovAddict> md5_file(const char* path, char* output, double& nbytes) puts hex into 'output'

23:35 <Didactylos> Security deserves more than my 4 am brain.

23:35 <Didactylos> 'night.

23:35 <PovAddict> night

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