IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-05-07

00:07 <MTughan> roflmao!!!

00:07 <MTughan> &cad

00:07 <Romulus>

00:07 <MTughan> It's great!

00:07 <Romulus> well I need to run an update

00:07 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

00:26 <KathrynM> lol @ Romulus

00:35 * KathrynM is back (gone 03:37:06)

00:36 <KathrynM> hmmm...  didn't realize I was gone

00:36 <KathrynM> Oh well off to w%@&

00:36 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

00:48 <Soul_keeper> is it just ironic that my favorite porn star's bday is one day after mine ?

00:50 <Didactylos> Not really.

00:50 <Didactylos> My mother and sister-in-law have the same birthday.

00:51 <Didactylos> Elementary statistics....

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00:56 <Soul_keeper> figures

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01:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

01:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.6F / 15.9C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms... mainly in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 40 (1 more message)

01:30 <CoderForLife> &more

01:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

01:48 <Soul_keeper>

01:48 <Romulus> <> (at

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02:02 <efc> &weather 31088

02:02 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 60F / 16C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Light and variable winds becoming southeast up to 5 mph after midnight.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

02:09 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

02:10 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 35F / 2C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy early in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 36 on the North Rim to around 49 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Wednesday - Warmer. Partly cloudy. Highs around 62 on the North Rim to around 89 along (1 more message)

02:10 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:10 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 20 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Breezy. Partly cloudy. Lows around 37 on the North Rim to around 50 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph until early morning becoming light.;

02:10 <efc> Chilly

02:10 <BadBarbarian> yep living at over 7000 feet can do that lol...

02:10 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

02:10 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 35.8F / 2.1C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 23.54in / 797.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with isolated showers in the evening...partly cloudy after midnight. Lows 34 to 40. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 10 percent.; Wednesday - Warmer. Partly (1 more message)

02:11 <BadBarbarian> &more

02:11 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: cloudy. Highs 64 to 72. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 34 to 42. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph until early morning becoming light.;

02:13 <efc> Sounds nice

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02:16 <BadBarbarian> cold at nite warm in the day thats the high desert for you

02:19 <efc> Get good solar insolation there?

02:19 <BadBarbarian> my house is totally solar

02:20 <efc> Awesome

02:20 <BadBarbarian> i live 15 mile from the nearest blacktop road lol

02:20 <efc> Perfect

02:20 <BadBarbarian> my ISP is wireless from a moutain 20 miles from here

02:21 <BadBarbarian> its nice here

02:21 <BadBarbarian> quiet

02:22 <efc> Do you have to drive in somewhere every day?

02:22 <BadBarbarian> only real hassle is theres no water have to truck it in

02:22 <BadBarbarian> yes

02:22 <efc> For me to get nicely out in the boonies its at least 30 minutes/miles

02:23 <BadBarbarian> my old 91 geo metro is still running lol

02:23 <BadBarbarian> 50 MPG

02:23 <efc> It might be worth more than you paid for it now

02:23 <BadBarbarian> its on its 4th motor

02:23 <BadBarbarian> get them used out of japan for 500.00 dilvered

02:25 <BadBarbarian> lol i use 1 gal round trip to work

02:26 <BadBarbarian> we had our first rain of the year today no dust for a change lol ...

02:27 <BadBarbarian> well good nite got to get some rest its 11.30 here and i have to get up at 6am

02:27 <efc> If you just had a good falling stream you'd be all set for the apocalypse

02:27 <efc> Night BB

02:27 <BadBarbarian> i could get by on the rain water i get

02:28 <efc> Falling water more for power.. good 24/7 source even if kinda slow

02:29 <BadBarbarian> my solar set up is good i get about 800 watts per hr and 25 very large truck batterys

02:30 <efc> Running off that now?

02:30 <BadBarbarian> yep

02:30 <efc> Would tend to discourage the quad core SLI setup hehe

02:30 <BadBarbarian> almost all the stuff in the house is 12 volt

02:31 <BadBarbarian> got it running on a 600 watt ps

02:32 <efc> Nice. Solar hot water heater?

02:32 <BadBarbarian> i still think i like the 1 gig 8600 over the 512 8800

02:32 <BadBarbarian> yes

02:32 <BadBarbarian> and a fireplace water heater for winter

02:32 <efc> Hehe, can I buy your place

02:32 <BadBarbarian> not a chance lol

02:33 <efc> The Land Of Subdivisions sux

02:33 <BadBarbarian> i here you northern arizona is still wild more goverment land than private

02:34 <BadBarbarian> i am surround on 3 sides by natinal forest

02:34 <efc> When we had our lake place it was great, surrounded by national forest. probably 75%+ of that county is national forest.

02:34 <BadBarbarian> nice

02:34 <BadBarbarian> wheres here

02:34 <efc> Roads/trails to hike etc

02:34 <efc> Georgia

02:35 <efc> that was in Rabun Co, the northeast corner

02:35 <BadBarbarian> nice i have been there

02:35 <efc> dad sold it unfortunately

02:35 <BadBarbarian> fort benning and fort bragg

02:36 <BadBarbarian> of course bragg is in north carrolina lol

02:36 <efc> Probably similar terrain if its in the mountains

02:37 <BadBarbarian> nope flat and lots of forests

02:37 <BadBarbarian> well i need to go see ya efc

02:37 <efc> Night!

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02:51 <CoderForLife> moo

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03:02 <CoderForLife> un-moo

03:02 * CoderForLife goes back to bed

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04:33 <desti> passed 1 mio einstein credits \o/

04:50 <efc> &math convert 3890 C to F

04:50 <Romulus> efc: 7034.0

04:50 <Romulus> lol - don't f***ing print that!!

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04:52 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.9F / 14.4C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.55in / 1000.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers until late afternoon...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms late. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of (1 more message)

04:53 <CoderForLife> &more

04:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows around 60. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Thursday - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms late. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

04:54 <efc> send de rain

04:55 * CoderForLife presses the Easy button for efc

04:56 <efc> oh no, not that button

04:57 * CoderForLife watches as efc is buried in packages of dehydrated rain

04:58 <CoderForLife> and shipping was free!

05:03 <CoderForLife> breakfast time - brb

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05:50 <CoderForLife> b and gone

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06:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60.5F / 15.8C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1002.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy in the morning then becoming partly sunny. High in the lower 70s. West wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the north around 15 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. Northeast wind (1 more message)

06:24 <wdsmia> &more

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 60s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.;

06:25 <hawmps> 'lo

06:25 <wdsmia> mornin

06:25 <KathrynM> mornin'

06:28 <hawmps> moanin even

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08:33 <KathrynM> grrrrr...  no wonder students are always starting sentences with "so" and "because".  Their Korean English teachers do the same thing.

08:34 <exco> :-)

08:35 <exco> so how are you today, KathrynM?

08:35 <KathrynM> not bad exco

08:35 <KathrynM> And you?

08:35 <Romulus> hmm... And you are playing war, KathrynM

08:36 <exco> thanks, doing fine

08:36 * KathrynM waves a large rare earth magnet over Romulus' hard drive

08:37 * exco tries to stop her and looses all his "valuable" data

08:37 <KathrynM> lol

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08:48 <KathrynM> oh dear....

08:48 <KathrynM> Harin, I think you would cry all of the year if you aren't a book.

08:48 <KathrynM> This makes me want to gouge my eyes out.  This is how a teacher translated a student's work.

08:59 <hawmps> google translate?

09:00 <KathrynM> nope.  it was the teacher because I saw her typing it up...

09:00 <KathrynM> And apparently I have two more of these to go through.

09:00 <KathrynM> And do you think I'm getting paid for it?

09:00 <hawmps> 2 frowny faces.

09:00 <KathrynM> yup

09:01 <KathrynM> I'm not a very happy camper.

09:01 <KathrynM> The first copy she sent, she saved as a .hwp file.  Uhhhh...  how many times have I asked for a licence for that crappy software so I can do stuff like this at home?

09:02 <KathrynM>

09:02 <Romulus> <> (at

09:19 <hawmps> ..when throwing hard objects is not an option...

09:20 <KathrynM> oooooooooooo... CATS is coming to Ulsan.

09:20 <Romulus> and if not longer lurking

09:20 <hawmps> going to go see it?

09:21 <KathrynM> dunno.  I'll have to find details on when and where.

09:24 * KathrynM slowly and steadily bangs her head on her desk.

09:58 * Tank_Master is listening to: David West - Make U Mine (Mike Shiver`s Garden State Mix)

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10:01 <Tank_Master> E30!

10:02 <e-30> yep i am back now

10:02 <e-30> yea

10:03 <Tank_Master> wb

10:03 <e-30> thanks a lot how are you doing

10:03 <Tank_Master> better than KM

10:03 <e-30> lol

10:03 <Tank_Master> she's banging her head on the table

10:03 <e-30> why

10:04 <Tank_Master> dunno

10:04 <e-30> oh lol

10:04 <Tank_Master> im to lazy to scrole up

10:04 <e-30> there is my computer now

10:05 <e-30> i hope it sends

10:05 <Tank_Master> (unable to connect)

10:05 <e-30> dam still not able to send

10:06 <Tank_Master> theres always photobucket

10:06 <KathrynM> banging my head is finished

10:06 <KathrynM> as is gouging my eyes out.

10:06 <KathrynM> I hate editing things the Korean teachers have translated to English.

10:06 <Tank_Master> ahh, hence all the blood

10:07 <Tank_Master> then why do it?

10:07 <KathrynM> We're told to.

10:07 <Tank_Master> oh, right

10:07 <KathrynM> Lucky me has two more to do in the next few days too.

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10:07 <KathrynM> stupid speech contests the kids do

10:07 <Tank_Master> sounds fun

10:08 <KathrynM>

10:08 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Mine - post number 1010540 (at

10:08 <KathrynM> That's what I started with.

10:09 <e-30>

10:09 <Romulus> <> (at

10:09 <BadBarbarian> Mornin

10:09 <e-30> there it is

10:09 <KathrynM> holy cow

10:11 <BadBarbarian> whats that clocked at e-30 hehe

10:11 <e-30> 3ghz quad core

10:11 <e-30> my dule core was up to 3.8ghz

10:12 <BadBarbarian> nice

10:12 <e-30> for some reason the q6600 runs hot even on watter

10:12 <Tank_Master> my quad is at 3.41

10:13 <e-30> nice

10:13 <e-30> i have not push it past 3 ghz

10:13 <Tank_Master> its running at 72C with a big typhoon

10:13 <e-30> it runs at 50 c

10:13 <e-30> dam i cant keep that temp there

10:13 <Tank_Master> the tjunt to 100C

10:13 <Tank_Master> for mine

10:13 <e-30> i dont try to over 55c

10:14 <e-30> too hot it will burn it self up soon

10:15 <Tank_Master> im getting a 9450 by week's ebd anyway

10:15 <Tank_Master> and*

10:15 <e-30> how long can you keep it on

10:15 <Tank_Master> end**

10:15 <Tank_Master> its stable 24x7

10:16 <e-30> my stays on for like 3 week at a time

10:16 <e-30> cool

10:16 <Tank_Master> only crached twice at this speed in the past  month n a half

10:18 <e-30> not bad

10:18 <e-30> well waht ram do you have

10:18 <e-30> i am running ocz reapper 800 mhz

10:18 <e-30> and a abit board

10:20 <Tank_Master> 4x1GB Kingston HyperX

10:20 <Tank_Master> asus mobo

10:20 <e-30> not bad

10:20 <e-30> i a running 4 gb too

10:20 <e-30> not bad

10:21 <Tank_Master> its DDR2 800 and I am running at 620 with 3-3-3-9-3 timmings

10:21 <Tank_Master> 1:1 with the FSB

10:21 <Tank_Master> core2s perform better wih 1:1 setting

10:25 <Tank_Master> If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables, what is baby oil made from?

10:25 <Romulus> no... my wrapped prog what to make more?

10:26 <e-30> yea

10:27 <e-30> i am running at 800 and 4 4 4 15

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10:28 <e-30> humm

10:30 <KathrynM> &nn

10:30 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

10:30 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

10:30 <Tank_Master> tc

10:31 <e-30> well i am not infront of it so i dont know

10:31 <Tank_Master> ?

10:32 <e-30> the last number i dont rember

10:32 <Tank_Master> ahh

10:32 <Tank_Master> most likely 4

10:32 <e-30> yea

10:32 <e-30> t2 timeing

10:33 <e-30> how much power are you running to you cpu

10:33 <Tank_Master> 1.438v

10:33 <e-30> wow

10:33 <Tank_Master> 1.4385

10:33 <e-30> 1.35

10:34 <Tank_Master> you can do more safely

10:34 <e-30> i know

10:34 <Tank_Master> I dont go over 1.45

10:34 <e-30> it womnt boot

10:34 <Tank_Master> huh

10:35 <e-30> i go to 1.4 and no boot

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11:02 <gregor_> hi

11:03 <gregor_> does anybody use boinc on fedora 8 (

11:04 <desti> dunno

11:04 <Tank_Master> there are people who do, yes

11:05 <gregor_> oh good

11:05 <Tank_Master> but I'm not one of them

11:05 <gregor_> i installed it from the repos but it does not work

11:07 <desti> what does not work?

11:08 <gregor_> when i start boinc and the boincmgr

11:08 <gregor_> boinc aborted with "*** buffer overflow detected ***: boinc terminated"

11:09 <gregor_> and many backtrace informations

11:12 <desti> strange

11:13 <desti> have you tried the boinc package from berkley?

11:21 <gregor_> no

11:22 <gregor_> actually i reinstall boinc

11:27 <e-30> humm

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11:50 <gregor_> when i run "boinc --run_cpu_benchmarks" i also get the error

12:00 <BadBarbarian> what should a q6600 get foe rac on abc at 2.4

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12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> what happens if I change the URL of my boinc project?

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> where is it stored in the DB

12:44 <Romulus> worker input is fine now. It looked something like 910 won to the tester

12:45 <yoyo[RKN]> I assume that URL is stored in application and result table

12:49 <hawmps> isn't that the "master url" thingy?

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

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12:55 <hawmps> doubt it can be dynamic...

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13:11 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: simple answer: don't

13:11 <yoyo[RKN]> but if I must?

13:11 <yoyo[RKN]> I can keep the old url working

13:11 <hawmps> link one url to the other, or use a reflector

13:12 <yoyo[RKN]> I currently forward the old one to the new one

13:12 <yoyo[RKN]> since some month

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13:14 <PovAddict> that's why projects should use "generic" URLs since the beginning, not tied to the hosting they use or the university etc

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13:16 <E-30> hey

13:18 <PovAddict> gregor_: still around?

13:18 <E-30> hey pov

13:18 <E-30> how are you doing

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13:19 <hawmps> 'lo E

13:19 <Romulus> xcamel: TheGasGiant and I am getting an *un*truncated list of projects

13:19 <E-30> hey well i am in oklahome now and happy as hell now lol

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13:21 <E-30> othe then my quad had to go down till the 23 waa

13:21 <E-30> they are moveing it now

13:26 <gregor_> PovAddict: boinc now works :)

13:27 <E-30> yea

13:27 <PovAddict> good :)

13:32 <E-30> well i lost the quad till the 24 but i got the duo back up an running so i wont get cut that bad now

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13:56 <Ageless93> hmm, now I am not sure if it does what I think it did. Ever had that?

13:56 <Ageless93> anyone here with a fresh install of BOINC 6.2.1 on Windows?

13:57 <Ageless93> if so, is there a BOINC Manager link in the Startup folder?

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14:31 <gregor_> :)

14:32 <gregor_> another trouble

14:32 <gregor_> i set the boinc password at /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg (fedora 8)

14:33 <gregor_> then i start the service (/etc/init.d/boinc start)

14:33 <gregor_> then i connect with "boinc_cmd --host localhost --passwd test" and i get the message

14:33 <gregor_> "Authorization failure: -155"

14:34 <PovAddict> wasn't the service *already* started?

14:34 <PovAddict> (in which case you have to 'restart', not 'start')

14:34 <gregor_> dont know

14:34 <gregor_> i stop it first

14:38 <gregor_> any ideas?

14:39 <PovAddict> nope...

14:39 <PovAddict> if you use --passwd test

14:39 <PovAddict> and "cat /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg" shows "test" too

14:39 <gregor_> yes

14:39 <PovAddict> and you restarted the service... I don't see why it wouldn't work

14:40 <gregor_> which permissions need the files at /var/lib/boinc

14:40 <gregor_> ?

14:43 * Tank_Master smells W@^& and moves on

14:54 <gregor_> which permission do you have on gui_rpc_auth.cfg ?

14:56 <PovAddict> -rw-r----- 1 root boinc    1 2008-04-18 12:53 gui_rpc_auth.cfg

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15:00 <gregor_> hm without a password in the gui*.cfg file it works

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15:07 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

15:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 66.3F / 19.1C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.41in / 995.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers late this morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 40 (2 more messages)

15:07 <CoderForLife> &more

15:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows around 60. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Thursday - Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms late. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 (1 more message)

15:07 <CoderForLife> &more

15:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.;

15:07 <CoderForLife> "percent" to you, too, Rommie

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15:18 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

15:18 <Tank_Master> &more

15:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 52.5F / 11.4C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Patchy drizzle in the morning. Highs around 60. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. Patchy drizzle after midnight. Lows around 45. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph becoming (1 more message)

15:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: light after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Patchy drizzle in the morning. Highs around 60. West wind 5 to 10 mph.;

15:19 <Tank_Master> heh, love that word

15:19 <Tank_Master> drizzel

15:19 <Tank_Master> drizzle*

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany

15:21 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. (1 more message)

15:21 <Tank_Master> oh, yoyo's here, should I head to bed?

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> you are to early

15:21 <Tank_Master> lol

15:21 <Tank_Master> or to late

15:22 <yoyo[RKN]> but i'm tired

15:23 <CoderForLife> "drizzle" (n.) - an annoying file transfer protocol used by Microsoft to allow spare bandwidth to be used to infect your PC with updates

15:24 <Tank_Master> o.O?

15:24 <Didactylos> They renamed BITS?

15:24 <Tank_Master> you sure its not round bandwith?

15:24 <CoderForLife> no - they renamed drizzle

15:25 <CoderForLife> Marketing didn't like the concept of MS drizzling on PCs

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15:29 <gregor_> where save boincmgr the settings for the clients?

15:30 <Tank_Master> client_state.xml

15:30 <gregor_> when i connect to a client with the boincmgr and restart the gui (close, open) the mgr lost the settings

15:30 <Tank_Master> ahh, that I dont know

15:31 <Tank_Master> it seems as though simetimes it gets saved and sometimes it doesnt on Windows

15:31 <gregor_> sry i use linux (fedora 8)

15:31 <Didactylos> It's in the registry.

15:31 <gregor_> with root it works

15:32 <Didactylos> Scratch that.

15:32 <Tank_Master> (my point is that do to the inconsistant nature, its had to tell)

15:32 <PovAddict> the window position and stuff?

15:32 <Tank_Master> hard*

15:32 <PovAddict> or what settings?

15:32 <Romulus> hanging in there are still in the lists

15:33 <PovAddict> "~/.BOINC Manager" (omg a space in a filename!!!1)

15:34 <MTughan> Oh, and open source seems to be reeling... OOXML was approved as an ISO standard by a vote in early April, I think.

15:34 <MTughan> April 2.

15:35 <gregor_> anybody knows which arguments i can use with "boincmgr -b" ?

15:35 <PovAddict> boincmgr --help

15:36 <CoderForLife> late April Fool's Day joke, MTughan?

15:36 <MTughan> I wish...

15:36 <Tank_Master> lol

15:36 <MTughan> "The Microsoft Office Open XML format received the necessary votes for approval as an ISO/IEC Standard as the result of a JTC 1 fast tracking standardization process that concluded in April 2008. Subject to there being no formal appeals from ISO/IEC national bodies in the next two months, the text of the standard will be published as ISO/IEC 29500."

15:37 <Tank_Master> cool

15:37 <MTughan> Cool? What's wrong with ODF?

15:37 <CoderForLife> ... and just for the record to confirm my memory - "Drizzle" was the code name for BITS, according to Dr. Google

15:38 <PovAddict> since when TM knows what he's talking about...

15:38 <gregor_> PovAddict: you run "boincmgr --help" on your maschine?

15:38 * CoderForLife is getting to the age that his memory is quite suspect

15:38 <gregor_> i get no answers with --help

15:38 <gregor_> or with "man boincmgr"

15:38 <PovAddict> oh, "Startup BOINC with these optional arguments"?

15:38 <MTughan> "-b, --boincargs       Startup BOINC with these optional arguments"

15:39 <Romulus> I just now did an update unless something happens I should do the Bolteks get their voice recognition to recognize my SP4 either. :(

15:39 <PovAddict> that won't work, the client is already started by the init.d script

15:39 <gregor_> LOL

15:39 <Tank_Master> :P

15:40 <gregor_> bye

15:40 <MTughan> I think the arguments it's talking about are the ones passed to the core client?

15:40 <MTughan> Which are found with "./boinc --help"

15:40 <PovAddict> yup, but the manager isn't starting the core client here

15:40 <gregor_> it better when im looking in the manual

15:40 <gregor_> there i find answers

15:40 <MTughan> Ah, so -b isn't helpful or useful.

15:40 <gregor_> bye

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15:41 <PovAddict> it's already started on boot by the init.d script

15:41 <Tank_Master> apparently not

15:41 <MTughan> The core client? Not here.

15:41 <PovAddict> he installed it from yum

15:41 <PovAddict> the debian/ubuntu packages do the same too

15:41 <MTughan> How do you know?

15:42 <PovAddict> [12:05] <gregor_> i installed it from the repos but it does not work

15:42 <MTughan> Ah...

15:42 <PovAddict> and before: [12:03] <gregor_> does anybody use boinc on fedora 8 (

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15:44 <MTughan> Are things started up by the /etc/init.d/ scripts run as root?

15:44 <Tank_Master> as to which I replied:

15:44 <Tank_Master> [2008:05:07:08:04:45] <Tank_Master> there are people who do, yes

15:45 <PovAddict> well, root runs the init.d scripts

15:45 <PovAddict> but the scripts usually change to the appropriate user for the task

15:46 <MTughan> Gonna change /etc/rc.local to boot the client on startup. If I don't do that, it's not usually started up for maybe hours on end.

15:46 <PovAddict> an Apache startup script would start it as root, then Apache itself would change to a limited user after opening port 80 (since only root can open ports <1024)

15:47 <PovAddict> init.d/boinc-client on ubuntu seems to use the "start-stop-daemon" tool, passing "--user boinc" to it

15:49 <MTughan> Ooh, cool...

15:49 <Romulus> <> (at

15:49 <PovAddict> I read about it like last year - looks like not much progress

15:50 <MTughan> In the process of being standardized, it seems. Read about it on the article for Ecma.

15:51 <Tank_Master> you can back up a lot of porn with one disk (or loose a lot)

15:52 <PovAddict> apparently a big problem is putting 1 watt lasers on consumer devices...

15:52 <Tank_Master> thats is quote a bit

15:52 <PovAddict> (due to cost, mostly)

15:52 <Tank_Master> quite*

15:53 <MTughan> Cost or power?

15:53 <PovAddict> "a major challenge of the project for widespread consumer markets is to either improve the sensitivity of the polymer used, or develop and commoditize a laser capable of higher power output and suitable for a consumer unit"

15:54 <quail> toasted ham/tomato/cheese snaggers for breakfast :-)

15:54 <MTughan> Could be either the power is too high or too expensive judging from that.

15:55 <PovAddict> well, there is the safety issue with 1w lasers...

15:55 <MTughan> Exactly.

15:55 <PovAddict> a laser from a normal CD player is unlikely to be dangerous

15:56 <PovAddict> or those "laser pointers"...

15:56 <quail> err toasties

15:57 <PovAddict> apart from that, there is the issue of manufacturing a reasonable stock of such lasers at a reasonable cost

15:57 <MTughan> With quantity comes price cuts.

15:58 <PovAddict> yup and no quantity yet :)

15:58 <PovAddict> did you see the $15k quote on wikipedia? :)

15:58 <MTughan> Heh, yeah.

15:58 <Romulus> This would be easier to hire 3-4 POV-type answer men.

16:04 <PovAddict> bah there's no good newsreaders...

16:04 <PovAddict> and the system needs to adapt to the current real world... like, putting your email address anywhere being a Bad Idea

16:05 <quail> PovAddict: look at 'liferea'

16:05 <PovAddict> I found an article about usenet and spam... I read about a paragraph, then noticed it was dated 1997 so I closed it...

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16:06 <PovAddict> the world has moved to their fancy web forums that load slow as hell and can't be used offline and don't have proper threading and...

16:07 <PovAddict> quail: not RSS... not that kind of 'news'

16:07 <PovAddict>

16:07 <Romulus> Title: News client - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

16:08 <quail> hehe, sorry I have just woken up not long ago

16:09 <PovAddict> most NNTP clients nowadays are warez-oriented

16:09 <PovAddict> for those people who abuse usenet for binary file posting

16:10 <quail> :-(

16:13 * CoderForLife suffers from being outside with the surveyor today

16:13 * CoderForLife got a snoot-full of pollen

16:13 <CoderForLife> I'm hurtin' for certain

16:15 <quail> :-(

16:15 <quail> CoderForLife: howdy Don

16:15 * CoderForLife sneezes

16:15 <CoderForLife> hi

16:17 * quail enjoyed his ham/tomato/cheese toasties for breakfast

16:23 <quail> CoderForLife: so what have you been up to?

16:25 <CoderForLife> just completed scanning our main file servers at w@#% to inventory spreadsheets, databases and the like for enterprise content management and Sarbanes-Oxley-like compliance

16:25 <CoderForLife> verrry exciting stuff

16:25 <PovAddict> databases and spreadsheets-abused-as-database-tables?

16:25 <quail> sounds like it CoderForLife

16:26 <CoderForLife> yes, and spreadsheets-abused-as-word-processors

16:26 <Romulus> apparently what Stripes wants: /ForumIndex.action, /ForumThread.action?id=42

16:26 <CoderForLife> and spreadsheets linked to together to form complicated systems

16:27 <CoderForLife> my scanner code processed nearly 6.9 billion spreadsheet cells, looking for formulas

16:28 <CoderForLife> about 25% of those contained formulas, and those I parsed in detail to examine functions being used, etc

16:29 <CoderForLife> er scanner Code, of course

16:29 <quail> w0w

16:29 <CoderForLife> I scanned approximately 325,000 spreadsheets

16:30 <quail> 1.5 billion formulas

16:30 <CoderForLife> now, I'm working to construct a database that we can analyze the results

16:30 <PovAddict> that sounds like information that should be stored elsewhere...

16:30 <CoderForLife> right quail

16:30 <CoderForLife> yes PovAddict

16:30 <CoderForLife> part of the effort was just to see what all we've accumulated

16:31 <CoderForLife> and what all "systems" we've built with Excel and Access

16:31 <CoderForLife> I updated my Y2K scanner for this purpose

16:31 * quail goes for another coffee, you like one CoderForLife ?

16:32 <MTughan> At this rate, the computers will need one more than CFL...

16:32 <CoderForLife> no - I'm going to see what's for dinner, and get the UPS package that just came

16:32 <quail> CoderForLife: it plunged coffee

16:33 <CoderForLife> I'm skeptical that Access can contain my results database, given the 2GB limit

16:33 <CoderForLife> I might give them a MySQL database

16:33 <CoderForLife> and let them query that for "reports"

16:34 <CoderForLife> I'm finishing up the Code to read the scanner log files (about 25GB) and summrize it

16:34 <CoderForLife> I'm expecting on the order of 1.6 million rows of summary data

16:35 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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16:40 <gregor_> hi, how can i manage several clients over the network?

16:40 <quail> boinc manager

16:41 <gregor_> ^^

16:41 <gregor_> can i view more then one client at the same time?

16:42 <PovAddict> not with the official manager

16:43 <Ageless93[Away]> you can if you start multiple boinc managers

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16:43 <gregor_> PovAddict: which manager you mean ^^

16:43 <PovAddict> I know of BOINCView but that's for Windows only

16:43 <quail> Ageless93: that not alot help :-/

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16:44 <quail> PovAddict: iirc there is a php one, but you need your own web server

16:45 <gregor_> np

16:50 <quail> lmao 'why should I pay for my own funeral? when I am not going to see it!?'

16:51 <gregor_> hm

16:54 * xcamel_away is back.

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16:55 <xcamel> re-hi

16:55 * wdsmia_w is gone bbiab

16:55 <quail> wb xcamel

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16:55 <xcamel> 'lo Q

16:55 <quail> xcamel: howdy

16:57 <xcamel> hows things down under?

17:01 <quail> fair to muddling, and you?

17:08 <MTughan> Discrepancy noticed on the AI front page: "To date we have simulated over 10,962,900,000 billion neurons. That is 10.9 billion neurons."

17:08 <MTughan> First figure states 10.9 quintillion neurons, second states 10.9 billion.

17:09 <xcamel> ditto

17:10 <xcamel> oopsie on the numbers..

17:15 <xcamel> yummy burgers for dinner..

17:16 <PovAddict> from a forum: "Given that my own 'spiritual orientation' is that of a 'Thank-God-I'm-an-Atheist' Eclectic Ironicist..."

17:16 <Romulus> 48x4 chips per x 6 cores each = 1152 cores

17:16 <quail> xcamel: email me one please :-)

17:36 <CoderForLife> back

17:38 <CoderForLife> talk to me when they exceed Data's ultimate storage capacity of 800 quadrillion bits

17:42 <MTughan> All right, well more games for me. Going to XP, be back in a couple hours.

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17:47 <xcamel> ran out of burgers just before I hit the send button... sorry.

17:48 <xcamel> IP kill >> php forum hacker

17:50 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:50 <xcamel> storms die off after a bit?

17:50 <wdsmia> we lucked out and hit a gap between storms

17:51 <xcamel> that's what it looked like to me..

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17:51 <xcamel> bb after a walk..

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17:51 <wdsmia> didnt get anything but a good light show off in the distance

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18:00 <CoderForLife> thx for the plink, xcamel

18:13 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news May 7, 2008

18:24 <quail> stuff em >>> :-)

18:26 <xcamel> still a beautiful 71.1 degrees...

18:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 65.7F / 18.7C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Cooler. Low in the upper 40s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 60s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Low (1 more message)

18:27 <wdsmia> &more

18:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the mid 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

18:27 <quail> &math convert 71.1 F C

18:27 <Romulus> quail: 21.7222222222

18:28 <quail> &wx ypad

18:28 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 7:30 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Clear. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Clear. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 F. / 10 C.;

18:53 <xcamel> winter closing in..

19:00 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:29:55)

19:00 <wdsmia> Good Morning Kathryn

19:01 <KathrynM> moanin

19:09 * CoderForLife moans a greeting

19:09 * KathrynM gives CoderForLife a dirty look for sending his allergies her way

19:09 * KathrynM sneezes

19:09 * CoderForLife tries to cram scanning sugar into an Access 2007 sack

19:11 <CoderForLife> hey, I didn't send them, and even if I did, why did you sign for the delivery?

19:11 <KathrynM> because it said it was a new quad

19:11 <CoderForLife> I'd send them back - return to sender

19:11 <CoderForLife> postage due

19:11 <KathrynM> it's like pandora's box.  once they're loose..............

19:11 <CoderForLife> The Satan Bug - ack

19:15 <CoderForLife> well - after being up half the night last night finishing up server scans, I'm beat

19:15 <KathrynM> get some sleep CoderForLife .  The Code will wait until morning

19:15 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go read in bed until Mr. Sandman hits me ober the head

19:15 <CoderForLife> ober?

19:16 <CoderForLife> he must be German

19:16 <CoderForLife> yup - off to Dreamland

19:16 <CoderForLife> (the name of the first roller-skaing rink I ever went to)

19:17 * CoderForLife waves the Access 2007 reference manual

19:17 * KathrynM waves a slice of pizza

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20:10 <xcamel> re-hi

20:16 * PovAddict gets Firefox

20:19 <KathrynM> don't like Konqueror?

20:19 <PovAddict> I really miss some stuff in Konqueror

20:20 <Romulus> it's supposed to create my account manager (or do RPC if already attached). [

20:20 <PovAddict> like "undo close tab", or closing tabs with middle mouse button

20:20 <PovAddict> and soon I'd start missing some plugins

20:20 <KathrynM> I never got into Konqueror.

20:20 <xcamel> opera is pretty good too

20:20 <xcamel> faster than firefox

20:21 <KathrynM> woo hoo!  750K

20:22 <xcamel> credit?

20:22 <KathrynM> yup

20:22 <xcamel> congrats!

20:22 <KathrynM> thanks.

20:23 <KathrynM> 83 days to the 1 million mark

20:23 <KathrynM> or says boincstats

20:24 <KathrynM> and now off to w^@*&

20:24 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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20:27 <xcamel> 'lo BB

20:35 <PovAddict> &ping

20:35 <Romulus> pong

20:37 <quail> PovAddict: middle mouse botton closes firefox tabs and 'ctrl + shift + r' to undo closed tab

20:38 <PovAddict> quail: yeah I know; none of those features are in Konqueror, that's why I just installed Firefox

20:38 <BadBarbarian> "lo Xcamel

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20:39 <quail> 09:50:08 < PovAddict> I really miss some stuff in Konqueror

20:39 <quail> 09:50:25 < PovAddict> like "undo close tab", or closing tabs with middle mouse button

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20:39 <quail> PovAddict: hence my reply

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20:53 * xcamel yawns

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21:22 <xcamel> &wx 12074

21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 61.6F / 16.4C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A chance of showers this evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph... increasing to around 15 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of (2 more messages)

21:22 <xcamel> &more

21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: showers in the morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of rain after midnight. Cooler with lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable. (1 more message)

21:22 <xcamel> &more

21:22 <Romulus> xcamel: Chance of rain 30 percent.;

21:23 <xcamel> more flowers..

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21:54 <xcamel> nytol..

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23:07 <wdsmia> &ping

23:07 <Romulus> pong

23:08 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

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23:08 <wdsmia> &more

23:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: mostly cloudy. Low in the mid 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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23:43 <MTughan> Quick question: is it possible, or even a good idea, to have two core clients running on the same machine?

23:44 <PovAddict> first problem you'll have: one will fail to bind the GUIRPC port

23:44 <MTughan> The core client does have an argument to change the GUI RPC port, so I wouldn't have port issues.

23:45 <MTughan> "--gui_rpc_port <port>           port for GUI RPCs"

23:45 <MTughan> As to how to make the manager connect to a different port...

23:45 <PovAddict> I think recent mgrs support typing a hostname:port on the "Connect to computer" dialog

23:46 <PovAddict> but I just thought of something else

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23:46 <PovAddict> shared memory to talk to the science apps

23:46 <PovAddict> I'm not sure how it's implemented in Linux nowadays

23:46 <MTughan> Hmm... Yeah.

23:46 <MTughan> The manager does support that syntax BTW. localhost:31412 doesn't connect.

23:46 <PovAddict> but I recall seeing something like boincshmem_0 for the app running in slot 0

23:47 <PovAddict> so if you have two clients, and both start an app on their own slot 0... things *might* asplode

23:47 <MTughan> I've mailed the BOINC alpha list. Oh, but I didn't mention the OS...

23:49 <MTughan> Well, I'll see what pops up tomorrow. I've got to go to bed.

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23:54 <MTughan> Heh... I can now say Linux is really fast. Got Tux going down a hill at 190km/h. xD

23:55 <MTughan> &math convert 190 km to miles

23:55 <Romulus> MTughan: 118.060526525

23:55 <efc> moo

23:56 <MTughan> 201km/h!

23:56 <MTughan> This is one fast penguin... :P

23:56 <PovAddict> people say Linux hardware support is poor

23:56 <PovAddict> so far, wrt printer and scanner... it was easier than on Windows

23:57 <PovAddict> I had to manually load a kernel module to get my old Palm Zire to get recognized, but otherwise little problems with it (syncs fine with the whole KDE PIM suite)

23:58 <PovAddict> well, the connection wizard segfaults :) but if I enter the config manually, the sync works just fine

23:58 <MTughan> Wanna bet how many people are going to do that?

23:58 <PovAddict> and, unlike on Windows with the official Palm Desktop software, I could actually debug the segfault if I wanted

23:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: not like the "wizard" does too much anyway

23:59 <MTughan> But if you want to see what I'm talking about, see if you can download Extreme Tux Racer.

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