IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-05-08

00:02 <MTughan> But now I really have to be off... Night.

00:07 <PovAddict> cool

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00:17 <efc> moo BB

00:17 <BadBarbarian> Moo to you too

00:18 <BadBarbarian> i bought this waster system to cool my quad and its been nothing but trouble

00:19 <BadBarbarian> my quad stock speed crunching is running 59c no headroom to oc :-(

00:20 <BadBarbarian> hows things in Linux Land

00:20 <efc> Even if it doesn't let you go faster, if it lets you run cooler might be worth it

00:21 <BadBarbarian> i have a big typhoon on order it will cool well

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00:23 <efc> I've read that the 45 nm stuff is subject to faster degradation.. would worry me to grossly OC it

00:23 <efc> to about 3 gig, probably no worries

00:23 <BadBarbarian> this is a g0 q6600 not a qx6600 lol

00:27 <Soul_keeper> wtf is ATT smoking ?

00:27 <Soul_keeper> i just want to pay my bill online

00:28 <Soul_keeper> i have a wireless internet, so i tell them to reset my password, and it says it was text messaged to me ...

00:28 <Soul_keeper> and since i can't receive text messages on a internet ...

00:28 <Soul_keeper> the only other option is "US mail"

00:29 <Soul_keeper> and their phone support closed like 10min before i called

00:29 * PovAddict rarely uses cellphones, and proud of it

00:31 <Soul_keeper> tryed to guess my "temporary password" and after 3 attempts i was banned from for 1hr

00:31 <PovAddict> isn't that a good way to DoS?

00:32 <Soul_keeper> i guess

00:32 <PovAddict> do 3 tries at guessing someone's password, every hour

00:32 <PovAddict> and he will never be able to login

00:32 <Soul_keeper> just wish they'd e-mail my temp pass to me like everyone else

00:32 <PovAddict> because you're using up his tries

00:33 <efc> That doesn't cost the company anything, so they probably don't care

00:33 <PovAddict> efc: of course

00:33 <PovAddict> just as they don't help any to recover stolen phones

00:33 <PovAddict> whoever stole it will use it and pay for the service, so why should they bother

00:34 <Soul_keeper> they're automated support hangs up on you if you don't press stuff fast enough

00:34 <Soul_keeper> "thank you for calling ...bla bla bla... good bye!"

00:34 <PovAddict> unfortunately, under that logic, few things get fixed here...

00:34 <PovAddict> trains are a complete mess, but people keep using them because it's how they get to work

00:35 <Soul_keeper> so basically they don't want you to pay your bill, because then they can charge you the late fees, and/or contract cancelation fees

00:35 <PovAddict> if somebody bothered to fix and clean the trains... they wouldn't really get more people traveling&paying anyway

00:38 * efc blames The Man

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00:45 <Soul_keeper> using the automated phone recording, managed to pay the bill and setup autopay

00:45 <Soul_keeper> all my bills are autopay :)

01:03 <Soul_keeper> Hey People !

01:10 <efc> here you have to sacrifice a goat to get on cc autopay

01:10 <Romulus> is back (gone 05:32:30)

01:17 <Soul_keeper> fun

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04:54 <CoderForLife> hello

04:55 <KathrynM> mornin

04:55 <CoderForLife> slept nearly 8 hours - woo hoo

04:55 <KathrynM> woot

04:56 <CoderForLife> went Code Cold Turkey for that long

04:56 <KathrynM> You must have woken up with withdrawals

04:57 <CoderForLife> they feel the same as breakfast hunger

04:57 <KathrynM> lol

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04:57 * KathrynM goes to make some dinner

04:57 <CoderForLife> XP lives another day

04:57 <Romulus> <> (at

04:57 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:06 <CoderForLife> b

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05:13 <KathrynM> b

05:14 <CoderForLife> wb

05:14 <KathrynM> u2

05:16 <CoderForLife> thx

05:16 <KathrynM> k

05:19 <CoderForLife> ah

05:19 <KathrynM> lol

05:19 * CoderForLife sees the source of the "unparseable record" error when importing into Access

05:24 <CoderForLife> the old "quoting double quote" problem

05:24 <CoderForLife> I need to turn: "test"

05:24 <CoderForLife> into: ""test""

05:31 <CoderForLife> ah, works now - I love the smell of clean data imports in the morning

05:32 <KathrynM> :)

05:33 <CoderForLife> ooopps

05:33 <CoderForLife> that seems to have truncated the string, not fixed the quoting problem

05:34 <KathrynM> uh oh

05:34 <CoderForLife> one more quick stab at it before getting ready for w@#%...

05:40 <CoderForLife> I guess I need to find my Coding muse this morning - I seem to lose it if I go without Coding for 8 hours

05:40 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:41 <CoderForLife> bbiab on my way out the door

05:49 <xcamel_away> buh-gy

06:21 <CoderForLife> back

06:21 <CoderForLife> thx for the vote, xcamel_away =)

06:21 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61.3F / 16.3C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers likely this morning...then showers this afternoon. A slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms (1 more message)

06:21 <CoderForLife> &more

06:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the morning... then partly sunny with a slight chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

06:27 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

06:30 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan

06:30 <CoderForLife> I'm off to w@#%

06:30 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:30 <KathrynM> laterz

06:30 <MTughan> Off to school here in a few secs too...

06:30 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy.

06:30 * CoderForLife waves a paycheck stub

06:30 <KathrynM> have fun MTughan

06:31 <Romulus> tries on his desktop

06:31 <MTughan> Oh, CFL will have more fun than me... :P

06:31 * KathrynM waves a copy of "George's Marvelous Medicine"

06:31 * MTughan waves himself

06:32 <MTughan> Well, I'm off... Gotta make sure the van's ready to go. See you later.

06:32 <KathrynM> laterz

06:32 <hawmps> 'lo

06:33 <KathrynM> hiay

06:33 <KathrynM> hiya even

06:43 <hawmps> hmmm... might get nice out..

07:09 <CoderForLife> (at w@#%) might get un-nice out

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08:13 <CoderForLife> ah, now I see it - buffer overrun problem

08:26 <CoderForLife> yep - much better - fixed it

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09:05 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

09:05 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 31F / -0.6C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 59 on the North Rim to around 90 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 33 on the North Rim to around 54 along the Colorado River. (1 more message)

09:05 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:05 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - Windy. Mostly sunny. Highs around 60 on the North Rim to around 91 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 20 to 30 mph.;

09:08 <hawmps> 'lo BB

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09:18 <BadBarbarian> "lo Hawmps

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12:03 <dodgyUserName> Hi, any one here used Boing for Signal Analysis? I mean apart from the SETI project.

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12:06 <PovAddict> I don't think there is a project other than SETI doing signal analysis

12:06 <PovAddict> well, maybe Einstein@Home pulsar search counts as analizing signals...

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12:07 <PovAddict> hmm those are gravitational wave detectors, not radiotelescopes, so maybe it doesn't count :)

12:19 <dodgyUserName> I think I'll have to read the SETI source code. Good thing is the semester ends in 3 weeks

12:19 <Ageless93> is out for the moment, it probably crashed on Eric's ops/create_forum_room.php script. ;)

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12:22 * Ageless93[Away] is now away - Reason : baking pizzas

12:25 <PovAddict> :o pizza

12:26 * PovAddict tries to remember his password for BOINC mediawiki

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12:34 <dodgyUserName> Damn you PovAddict, I have not eaten and you mention pizza

12:35 <PovAddict> Ageless93 did

12:35 <PovAddict> * Ageless93[Away] is now away - Reason : baking pizzas

12:35 * hawmps just finished lunch

12:37 <dodgyUserName> Then damn him

12:45 <Ageless93[Away]> oi!

12:46 * Ageless93[Away] installs smell-o-vision plugin to make the rest at #boinc crazy

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13:14 <dodgyUserName> oi, voc brasileiro Ageless93[Away] ?

13:19 <Ageless93[Away]> nee, Nederlands.

13:19 <Ageless93[Away]> en niezende

13:20 <FreeLarry58> Morning all

13:20 * FreeLarry58 hummm cold pizza for breakfast sounds good

13:25 <CoderForLife> yum

13:25 <FreeLarry58> morn CoderForLife

13:25 <CoderForLife> crunchy, icy

13:25 <CoderForLife> hello FreeLarry58

13:25 <FreeLarry58> with lots of coagulated grease

13:25 <Romulus> how about germany? ;/

13:25 <CoderForLife> I am in the pit of w@#%

13:25 <FreeLarry58> you tell me Romulus

13:25 <CoderForLife> the flames are tremendously hot

13:26 <FreeLarry58> thats later today for me CoderForLife

13:26 <CoderForLife> all I do is shovel coal

13:26 <FreeLarry58> lol don't worry - i'll slow down the coal delivery

13:26 <CoderForLife> thanks

13:27 <FreeLarry58> anything new going on

13:28 <CoderForLife> no - w@#%ing for a living, trying to stay ahead of the grim reaper

13:29 <FreeLarry58> he's not that scary in person

13:30 <CoderForLife> I feel like he's gaining a step or two on me lately - I'm not that anxious to meet him

13:30 <FreeLarry58> almost did monday - to tell truth not so scared of him now

13:33 <CoderForLife> I thought you mentioned something along those lines

13:33 <Romulus> (btw, note many self-extracting archives briefly pop up anything)

13:33 <FreeLarry58> a little more steady today

13:34 <CoderForLife> excellent - I'd like to have you around these here parts for awhile

13:34 <FreeLarry58> so would the wife

13:35 <FreeLarry58> still - not looking forward to battery of test doc wants

13:35 <FreeLarry58> so far nothing abnormal tho

13:52 <hawmps> 'lo Larry

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15:13 <hawmps> &wx 12020

15:13 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 66.3F / 19.1C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.49in / 998.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 19.0mph / 30.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly (1 more message)

15:13 <hawmps> &more

15:13 <Romulus> hawmps: cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Cooler with highs in the upper 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

15:15 <hawmps> a tad chilly

15:16 <FreeLarry58> lo hawmps

15:17 <FreeLarry58> just got back from daily chores

15:17 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

15:17 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 50.7F / 10.4C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Chance of a shower. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows in the upper 30s to mid 40s. Southwest wind to 10 mph.; Friday - Becoming mostly (1 more message)

15:18 <FreeLarry58> &more

15:18 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: sunny. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. Light wind.;

15:18 <FreeLarry58> looks milder here than there hawmps

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16:05 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:08 <BadBarbarian> 'lo

16:09 <BadBarbarian> wx 86023

16:09 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

16:09 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 62F / 17C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. Highs around 59 on the North Rim to around 90 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph late in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 33 on the North Rim to around 54 along (1 more message)

16:09 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:09 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - Windy. Mostly sunny. Highs around 60 on the North Rim to around 91 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 20 to 30 mph.;

16:09 <BadBarbarian> a very nice day here

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16:18 <xcamel> even 60°F here

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17:03 <CoderForLife> hello

17:03 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:03 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 64.0F / 17.8C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 1.5mph / 2.4km/h ; Tonight - Showers this evening...diminishing to a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance (1 more message)

17:04 <CoderForLife> &more

17:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of showers late. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the upper 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:04 <CoderForLife> "Rain, rain, go away, I really want my hill to stay."

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17:12 <CoderForLife> this is new to me:,2933,354598,00.html

17:12 <Romulus> <> (at

17:20 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:21 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 69.6F / 20.9C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers after midnight. Low in the mid 40s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. A 30 percent chance of showers in the morning. High in (1 more message)

17:21 <wdsmia> &more

17:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: the mid 60s. East wind around 5 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 40s. Southeast wind around 5 mph.;

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17:23 <CoderForLife> that was dowright unfriendly

17:23 <CoderForLife> as I was starting to say...

17:23 <CoderForLife> hello wdsmia

17:24 <wdsmia> *lo CoderForLife

17:24 <CoderForLife> I typed w-d-tab and kaflooey went Miranda

17:24 <Romulus> I grew that damn tail again.

17:24 <CoderForLife> this is the latest version, so we'll try it awhile

17:25 <exco> is there a task -generation integration for matlab?

17:33 <xcamel> IP Kill >>

17:40 <xcamel> dovecot hacker..

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17:41 <Ageless93> anyone here who speaks/writes and English and Spanish or French?

17:44 <xcamel> Leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq Arrested in Mosul >> Abu Ayyub al-Masri (waiting for confirm)

17:46 <CoderForLife> dovecot hacker plinked - thx

17:47 <CoderForLife> benje is in Nice

17:47 <xcamel> and Nice is in the pool

17:47 * Ageless93 dances

17:47 <Ageless93> um no.

17:48 <CoderForLife> bonjour benje - can you help Ageless93?

17:48 <xcamel> with her brother - not-so-Nice

17:48 <Ageless93> thing is I am looking for one extra Spanish writer for the BOINC FAQ Service and one or two French writers.

17:48 <Ageless93> so anyone who wants to, put your hand up.

17:49 <CoderForLife> mon francais est tres mal

17:49 <CoderForLife> plus I don't have the right keyboard

17:49 <Ageless93> then I won't get you, CFL

17:49 <CoderForLife> c'est OK

17:49 <Ageless93> but at least you typed it better than me. :)

17:50 <xcamel> let google do it..

17:50 <CoderForLife> merci =)

17:50 <Ageless93> I can do the very bad je parle une grande petit peu francais. ;)

17:50 <Ageless93> very small bit... about that

17:50 <CoderForLife> tres peu, pour moi

17:51 <CoderForLife> too many "ans" ago

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17:51 <Ageless93> I dropped it at the first chance I got at school

17:52 <Ageless93> which must have been some 24 years ago now

17:52 <CoderForLife> I took 2 years in junior high and 2 years in high school

17:52 <Romulus> it put the Enter key is back (gone 09:00:24)

17:52 <CoderForLife> so I my last French class was in 1973

17:52 <Ageless93> English was good, german doable, French... um no... for some reason I couldn't get my head round it.

17:53 <CoderForLife> you need a little more romance langiage in your life

17:53 <CoderForLife> er language

17:56 <Ageless93> I have enough romance in my life, thank you.

17:57 * KathrynM is back (gone 08:31:55)

17:57 <Ageless93> talking about romance.. hi Kath

17:57 <KathrynM> o la la

17:58 <exco> does anybody have any experience with matlab -> boinc

17:58 <CoderForLife> viola

17:58 <CoderForLife> not I, exco

17:59 <Ageless93> them again with their viola... it's voila, language experts.

17:59 <Ageless93> it's not a musical instrument

17:59 <CoderForLife> I know

17:59 <Ageless93> viola, violina, no. ;)

17:59 <PovAddict> exco: step one, is there a GUI-less matlab?

18:00 <exco> thanks, CoderForLife

18:00 <exco> PovAddict: not that I know of

18:00 <PovAddict> then the whole thing breaks right there

18:00 <PovAddict> unless you want your BOINC clients to have Matlab window pop up when a workunit starts

18:00 <exco> I'm not talking about running matlab on the client...

18:01 <exco> what I meant is setting up tasks (applications?) from matlab

18:01 <PovAddict> well what code would do the computing?

18:02 <exco> an exe file taking txt's as input generated with matlap

18:03 <exco> so I would basically generate txt sets from within matlab (automatically) and need to distribute those (and possibly according exe (and additional (zipped) files))

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18:17 <Ageless93> a BOINC Methlab, always something new

18:27 <CoderForLife> lol

18:28 * CoderForLife curses backslashe versus forward slash operating system differences

18:31 <PovAddict> just use forwards always

18:33 <CoderForLife> yeah, tell Windows not to return me results with backslashes, so I don't have to convert them

18:33 <CoderForLife> taking a log file from Windows and loading into MySQL on Linux

18:34 <Ageless93> find \ replace /

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18:35 <PovAddict> then a creative idiot will make a file with a real backslash on its name on Linux, and the whole thing blows up

18:35 <Romulus> what do you think it's probably a bad idea if Einstein sends 32-bit apps to 64-bit clients?

18:36 <Ageless93> let's bar the creative idiots from access then

18:36 <PovAddict> if only it was so easy :)

18:37 <efc> lemme know the chmod code for that

18:37 <PovAddict> make it idiot-proof, and a better idiot will appear

18:37 <Ageless93> you breathing that Chilean volcanic ash already?

18:37 <PovAddict> Ageless93: a few hours ago you could see it in the sky

18:37 <CoderForLife> I have 1.5 million lines with about 8 occurences each of \

18:38 <PovAddict> nothing falling down yet, fortunately; it's staying at cloud height

18:38 <Ageless93> last night I told Holly that it might be a good idea to rename Buenos Aires as the aires isn't that buenos anymore. First the forest fires, now this... what's next?

18:38 <CoderForLife> I can't afford the find/replace time

18:39 <Ageless93> can't you filter those out in another way then, CFL?

18:39 <CoderForLife> yeah, that's what I'm doing

18:39 <PovAddict> write the replacer in assembler, replacing 4 backslashes at a time with SSE2 instructions :)

18:39 <efc> I would favor a custom FPGA based / replacer

18:39 <CoderForLife> I have a program that reads 25GB of log files, and creates the 1.5 million CSV rows - it's doing the conversions

18:40 <PovAddict> (then your replacing code will be so fast it will become memory-bandwidth-bound, so little advantage overall :D)

18:40 <CoderForLife> if Windows ouldn't emit backslashes on path names, I wouldn't have to do this nonsense

18:40 <xcamel> winduhs

18:40 <xcamel> go figure

18:40 <CoderForLife> now I need to figure out why only every other CSV row gets imported in MySQL

18:41 <PovAddict> I remember I once had a buffer overrun in my boinc assimilator

18:41 <CoderForLife> I'm suspecting \n treatment

18:41 <PovAddict> in the buffer storing the filename

18:41 <Romulus> it's not the problem is putting 1 watt lasers on consumer devices...

18:41 <PovAddict> I ended up with a few files with strange control characters on their *names*, including a newline or two

18:41 <PovAddict> took me a while to delete them...

18:42 <CoderForLife> what's the escaped version of linefeed in C?

18:42 <CoderForLife>   \m is return?

18:42 <PovAddict> line feed = \n

18:42 <PovAddict> carriage return = \r

18:42 <CoderForLife> nah - windows makes that carriage return plus linefeed

18:43 <PovAddict> a Windows newline = \r\n

18:43 <PovAddict> oh wait, you write a \n and get a \r\n on the file?

18:43 <CoderForLife> if I say \n in Windows, it puts out both

18:43 <CoderForLife> I want a Unix newline

18:43 <PovAddict> how are you opening the file?

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18:43 <CoderForLife> Winders

18:44 <CoderForLife> but then I import it into MySQL on Linux

18:44 <CoderForLife> it's only getting every odd-numbered line

18:44 <PovAddict> fopen("foo.txt", "w") will open it in "text mode"


18:44 <CoderForLife>     INTO TABLE inventory

18:44 <CoderForLife>     FIELDS

18:44 <CoderForLife>         TERMINATED BY ','

18:44 <CoderForLife>         OPTIONALLY ENCLOSED BY '"';

18:44 <PovAddict> in text mode, the platform could do strange stuff to a file

18:45 <CoderForLife> the file was generated on Windows, and so has Windows newlines

18:45 <CoderForLife> MySQL has only odd-numbered records after import

18:45 <PovAddict> Windows does \n -> \r\n conversion, but C implementations are allowed to do anything... like storing the file in a database with one row per text line, or trimming leading whitespace, etc

18:45 <CoderForLife> maybe MySQL has an option... looking

18:45 <PovAddict> fopen("foo.txt", "wb") will open it in "binary mode", which forces it to write exactly what you told it to write

18:46 <PovAddict> if you're writing the file using WinAPI's OpenFile etc. I don't know how to avoid the newline conversion there

18:49 <CoderForLife> got it!  awesome


18:49 <CoderForLife>     INTO TABLE inventory

18:49 <CoderForLife>     FIELDS

18:49 <CoderForLife>         TERMINATED BY ','

18:49 <CoderForLife>         OPTIONALLY ENCLOSED BY '"'

18:49 <CoderForLife>     LINES TERMINATED BY '\r\n';

18:49 <CoderForLife> MySQL to the rescue

18:50 * PovAddict notes MSDN website is unusable under Konqueror

18:50 <CoderForLife> lol

18:50 <CoderForLife> a design feature by MS

18:50 <PovAddict> I guess it's not considered an important browser to them?

18:50 <CoderForLife> it's a threat

18:50 <PovAddict> "IE6 or greater required to read how to use our APIs"

18:51 <Ageless93> or firefox

18:51 <CoderForLife> now the ultimate number...

18:52 <CoderForLife> this table is 829MB in Access 2007

18:52 <Ageless93> I liked that a lot the last time I reinstalled Windows 2000, which comes with IE5. Going to Windows Update to get IE6 I was told I needed IE6 in the least to get to Windows Update... well, duh

18:53 <CoderForLife> it's 60MB in MySQL 5.0

18:53 <PovAddict> lol

18:53 <CoderForLife> Access 2007 has a 2GB limit

18:53 <CoderForLife> MySQL 5,0 is 2TB

18:53 <CoderForLife> I've just barely started loading data

18:54 <CoderForLife> Access has 25% consumed

18:54 <PovAddict> well I had a sqlite database be about twice as big as the *compressed* XML of the same data

18:54 <PovAddict> when comparing uncompressed xml, sqlite was about six times smaller... xml has too much overhead, clearly :)

18:55 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: when you say "Access", what RMDBS are you actually referring to?

18:55 <CoderForLife> one reason for the size is that I had to allocate 4 bytes to store an integer in Access whose value will never go above 255

18:55 <PovAddict> eek

18:55 <CoderForLife> what a waste

18:55 <CoderForLife> Didactylos : - Microsoft Access 2007 - too call it an RDBMS is a stretch

18:56 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: Jet, or MSSQL?

18:56 <Didactylos> If Jet - you deserve pain.

18:56 <PovAddict> well, some people use Excel as a database...

18:56 <Didactylos> If MSSQL - you should be having the problems you complain of.

18:56 <CoderForLife> er, um, thanks

18:56 <Didactylos> ^shouldn't.

18:56 <Didactylos> Sorry.

18:57 <Romulus> reminds pov that teaching Rommie bad word is grounds for kick/ban

18:57 <KathrynM> lol

18:57 <KathrynM> pov, are you being naughty again?

18:57 <PovAddict> what

18:57 <PovAddict> nope

18:57 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: you should be using tinyint.

18:58 <PovAddict> rommie is repeating what wdsmia warned me about like months ago :P

18:59 <CoderForLife> not a data type show in Access 2007, Didactylos

18:59 <CoderForLife> just opened in back up after closing it this afternoon

18:59 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: which makes me think the underlying database is Jet.

18:59 <CoderForLife> how do I tell?

18:59 <Didactylos> Access isn't really a database at all - it is a user interface and reporting tool.

18:59 <CoderForLife> Ok ok

19:00 <CoderForLife> nm on Access - I'm done with int

19:00 <CoderForLife> it

19:00 <Ageless93> oh god, since when do we have that friends list on the BOINC Dev forums?

19:00 <CoderForLife> I'll never get all my data in under the 2GB limit

19:01 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: do you know the filename?

19:01 <Didactylos> .mdb is Jet, I think.

19:01 <CoderForLife> accdb

19:01 <KathrynM> Ageless93, I don't know.  I never look at the account page.

19:02 <Ageless93> well, it is there...

19:02 <KathrynM> I just looked and yeah, I saw it.

19:02 <Ageless93> lol... I hope we don't have to vote on having to ban spammers now ;)

19:03 <Ageless93> any volunteers?

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19:06 <Didactylos> CoderForLife: accdb is the new Access format. I really don't see what it has going for it.

19:06 <Didactylos> .mdf is best.

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19:12 <CoderForLife> right, Didactylos - I am using Access 2007 - that's the new format

19:12 <CoderForLife> but now I'm getting ready to parse 25GB of data into MySQL

19:13 <Didactylos> Access also comes with a cut-down version of MSSQL.

19:13 <CoderForLife> because Access is an unwieldy toy db

19:13 <CoderForLife> that has a 2GB limit

19:14 <CoderForLife> nuf said - it's history

19:14 * CoderForLife returns to his e-mail reply to Mom

19:18 <Ageless93> off to bed for me. Although it could be a little cooler. Anyway, night guys.

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19:20 <xcamel> buh-by

19:20 <PovAddict> wow, did you see Peter Slacik's message on boinc_alpha?

19:21 <PovAddict> nice backwards compatibility in BOINC there...

19:21 <xcamel> lol

19:22 <xcamel> although typical..

19:27 <CoderForLife> e-mail to Mom done...

19:33 <CoderForLife> brb  beverage

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19:50 <CoderForLife> oh, b

19:55 <xcamel> hmmm... looks like they really got him...

19:56 <xcamel> now being reported by 'rooters'

20:02 <CoderForLife> the Al-Qaida guy?

20:02 <efc> They root out the news

20:03 * CoderForLife looks

20:04 <CoderForLife> lol  oh that guy - one of our DBAs at work looks just like him

20:05 <PovAddict> :|

20:05 <CoderForLife> but our guy is into collecting John Deere tractors rather than jihad

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20:08 <xcamel> good thing..

20:23 <CoderForLife> his name is Ben, nothing like "Bin"

20:23 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:23 <PovAddict> #!/bin/laden

20:23 <CoderForLife> cya KathrynM

20:24 <CoderForLife> well - Stephen is home, so I'll go chat with him

20:24 <CoderForLife> gn folks

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20:46 <CoderForLife>

20:46 <Romulus> <> (at

20:49 <xcamel> 'lo Q

20:51 <xcamel> wow - what a shot..

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20:52 <CoderForLife> yep - spectacular

20:53 <CoderForLife> off the bed - gn

20:55 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:01 <xcamel> 'lo BB

21:20 <xcamel> IP kill >>

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23:28 <BadBarbarian> Howdy Kat Hows Asia

23:28 <KathrynM> OK

23:28 <KathrynM> It's Friday.

23:28 <KathrynM> And we have a long weekend.

23:28 <BadBarbarian> cool

23:29 <BadBarbarian> got my reservations and every things set for my asia trip

23:29 <KathrynM> awesome

23:29 <BadBarbarian> singapore thiland korea and japan 1 whole month

23:30 <KathrynM> Where in Korea?

23:30 <BadBarbarian> a week in singapore o love the food there

23:30 <BadBarbarian> soul than visit a budy whos on the dmz i knew when still in the army

23:31 <MTughan> Seoul.

23:31 <BadBarbarian> yep lol

23:31 <KathrynM> Cool.

23:31 <MTughan> Just because it's pronounced that way, doesn't mean it's spelt that way.

23:31 <MTughan> :P

23:31 <BadBarbarian> not sure where he is at the moment lol

23:32 <BadBarbarian> but he is taking leave with me

23:32 <Romulus> I grew up on CPDN Beta models and also off the nail squarely on the same logical name is ...

23:32 <BadBarbarian> romulus your tops in my book

23:32 <Romulus> No idea!

23:33 <BadBarbarian> lol

23:33 <KathrynM> Romulus is sort of like Korea.  The randomness is becoming predictable.

23:33 <Romulus> Got it, KathrynM.

23:34 <PovAddict> Romulus?

23:34 <MTughan> Heh.

23:34 <MTughan> We have a Korean living here.

23:35 <KathrynM> Where's here MTughan?

23:35 <MTughan> My house.

23:35 <MTughan> If you will, a Korean Canuck. xD

23:35 <KathrynM> lol

23:41 <infinisoft> left one of my apps sitting in the second monitor which I disconnected...

23:43 <KathrynM> back to w@%&

23:43 <KathrynM> 4.5 hours to the weekend and counting

23:43 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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