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00:41 <quail> wow these 2 guys are going to the artic and they'll be getting emails via a satellite phone and a eeepc >>> http://www.1000hourday.com/ <<< and if you look in the gallery for 2008 you'll see a couple of picture of the eeepc being used / tested in a big freezer at -38C
00:41 <Romulus> Title: The iiNet 1000 Hour Day Expedition: Chris Bray & Clark Carter - Victoria Is (at www.1000hourday.com)
00:41 <Romulus> well that's all for now?
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01:37 <efc> Bet you can OC better in air there ..
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02:22 <ec> i have a question regarding accounts on boinc
02:23 <ec> i have one for seti@home, but haven't used boinc for some time
02:24 <ec> and have been trying to recover my password, but i keep getting errors saying the user name and email done match.....has anyone run into this before
02:24 <ec> don't match
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02:37 <ec> ?
02:37 <ec> anyone?
02:37 <MTughan> Hello.
02:37 <ec> hi
02:38 <MTughan> BOINC question?
02:38 <ec> had an account question relating to boinc
02:39 <ec> i've an account on boinc for some time and have been trying to recover my password
02:39 <ec> but the system doesn't seem to find my information
02:40 <ec> and i'm not sure what to do
02:40 <MTughan> What project?
02:40 <Romulus> It has been said that What project are we talking about, MTughan
02:40 <MTughan> Ignore Romulus...
02:41 <ec> the only project i've been working on is seti@home
02:41 <MTughan> What was your username? ec?
02:41 <ec> echristi
02:42 <MTughan> Your account is still there... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/user_search.php?search_string=echristi&search_type=name_prefix&country=any&profile=either&team=either&action=Search
02:43 <MTughan> Do you still have and know the email address you signed up with then?
02:44 <ec> i do....been having some accessing my email with it thought.....sent an email from another email account to the administrators under the original email about that
02:45 <Romulus> Title: Forgot your p!@#word? (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
02:46 <ec> i got a new computer recently....but didn't get the authenticator information from the old one
02:46 <MTughan> No, the top option, with the email address.
02:48 <ec> don't mean to ask a dumb question, but should i use the original email address i used or should i use a different email address
02:48 <ec> the original email address i don't have access to at the moment
02:48 <MTughan> The original email address, the one that you would've used before.
02:49 <MTughan> If you're not able to use it at all, you'd have to talk to the S@H administrators (I don't know who that is) and get them to reset your password, or create a new account. You said you don't have the authenticator from BOINC, right?
02:50 <ec> no, i don't unfortunately
02:51 <ec> i entered the original email address and the it says that instructions were sent to the address
02:51 <MTughan> Yep, so there's nothing you can do to get to your account. One of the administrators could possibly reset your account (I don't work with the server side, so I can't tell you conclusively), or you could create a new account.
02:51 <MTughan> Oh, can you get email from your original address?
02:54 <ec> i can, but have been having account problems.....hoping to get it resolved soon
02:54 <Soul_keeper> i won the battle with my truck
02:54 <MTughan> Because if you can get to the email account, you can get/reset your password, and then change the email address.
02:55 <ec> ok....if that doesn't work then is there a #seti channel here on freenode?
02:56 <MTughan> Not that I know of.
02:56 <ec> ok
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03:00 <MTughan> ec: Is that it for tonight? I'd help you more, but it's 3AM here, so... :P
03:00 <Romulus> is having fun transfering from UD to BOINC. Then ran the sample work generator... they are all different suppliers
03:01 <ec> ok
03:01 <ec> yeah that's it
03:01 <ec> thanks for the help
03:01 <MTughan> np
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03:04 <MTughan> And that's what happens with the X server crashes...
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04:12 <CoderForLife> morning
04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 49.8°F / 9.9°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds 5 (1 more message)
04:33 <CoderForLife> &more
04:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: to 10 mph...becoming east after midnight.; Tuesday - Sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;
04:40 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant
04:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 21 hours, 51 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> missed by that much...again!
04:42 <CoderForLife> &seen ELGono
04:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: ELGono was last seen in #boinc 7 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ELGono> just popped in to have a look on weather (rather than looking out the window)
04:42 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
05:06 <CoderForLife> been back
05:11 <CoderForLife> I'm off to get ready for w@#%
05:49 <xcamel> a w^%kin we will go...
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06:14 <CoderForLife> last check-in... now I'm on the rim and out the door
06:14 <CoderForLife> laterz
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06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 36°F / 2.2°C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 1mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 43 on the North Rim to around 49 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph early in the evening.; Monday - Breezy. Not as warm. Mostly sunny in the morning... partly cloudy with a 10 (2 more messages)
06:28 <BadBarbarian> &more
06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 59 on the North Rim to around 85 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Monday Night - Breezy. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers and isolated thunderstorms in the evening...a chance of rain showers after midnight. Lows around 27 on the North Rim to around 44 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph (1 more message)
06:28 <BadBarbarian> &more
06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Fire Weather Watch for Coconino County in effect until 7:00 PM MST on May 12, 2008;
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06:32 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
06:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38.2°F / 3.4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...warmer. High in the lower 70s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Warmer. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph (1 more message)
06:32 <wdsmia> &more
06:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the evening.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;
06:33 <BadBarbarian> Mornin wdsmia
06:33 <wdsmia> mornin BB
06:33 <BadBarbarian> Chilly this moening
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06:36 <BadBarbarian> Opps
06:44 <hawmps> 'lo Doug, BB
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06:49 <hawmps> An earthquake measuring 7.8 on the Richter scale has hit China's Sichuan province.
06:50 <hawmps> now that's a big quake
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07:54 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM hawmps BadBarbarian wdsmia
07:55 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife
07:56 * CoderForLife moans from w@#%
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08:45 * hawmps thinks he is allergic to work...
08:46 <wdsmia_w> ditto
08:47 <hawmps> this pollen season is killing me...
09:00 * KathrynM understands as she opens another box of tissues
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09:07 <E-30> hey
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09:39 <BadBarbarian> Mornin
09:39 <E-30> morring
10:16 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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13:02 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: Barack Obama (at www.flickr.com)
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15:58 <xcamel> 'lo
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16:07 <PovAddict> quiet day in here
16:15 <xcamel> indeed..
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16:29 <Tank_Master> most observant
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17:03 <CoderForLife> hmm
17:03 <CoderForLife> wonder what that was
17:03 <CoderForLife> anyways - hello
17:04 <CoderForLife> I see I got some LHC work
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17:08 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 68.1°F / 20.1°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.9mph / 4.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming east after midnight.; Tuesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then (1 more message)
17:08 <CoderForLife> &more
17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: increasing clouds with a chance of showers late. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;
17:08 <CoderForLife> real purdy out
17:08 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go plant some flowers
17:08 <CoderForLife> bbl
17:09 <MTughan> Yeah, I got some LHC too.
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17:10 <xcamel> 'lo Don, Mike
17:11 <xcamel> ditto on the LHC
17:11 <xcamel> bigger wu's too..
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17:27 <xcamel> wb Doug
17:32 * KathrynM is back (gone 07:16:30)
17:32 <KathrynM> mornin
17:33 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy
17:33 <MTughan> Fedora 9 coming out tomorrow.
17:33 <KathrynM> I know :)
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17:38 <PovAddict> &math calc ((1024 + 7) / 8)
17:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: 128.875
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17:52 <xcamel> it's official -- Mccain is a moron:
17:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - TV AD - A Better Way (at www.youtube.com)
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18:02 <ec> hi
18:04 <ec> is mtughan here?
18:04 <MTughan> Yep.
18:04 <ec> i finally got access to the email account we talked about yesterday
18:04 <MTughan> Cool.
18:04 <MTughan> And did it work?
18:06 <CoderForLife> re-hi
18:06 <CoderForLife> planting done
18:06 <ec> well...
18:07 <CoderForLife> Fedora 9?
18:07 <Romulus> Rumor has it Fedora 9 is out now, CoderForLife
18:07 <CoderForLife> what's it's claim to fame?
18:07 <KathrynM> shiny and new?
18:08 * CoderForLife soaks up a Coca-Cola Cherry Zero
18:08 * KathrynM drools
18:08 <CoderForLife> ah, a great reason to upgrade - shiny thing
18:08 <CoderForLife> we have a joke running at w@#% during lunch
18:09 <CoderForLife> I point out all the retaining walls along the route
18:09 <MTughan> There's probably some new features, I just haven't really seen the list.
18:10 <CoderForLife> A 7.9 mag quake is a big one
18:10 * CoderForLife looks at the Fedora site
18:11 * KathrynM goes back to bed for an hour
18:11 <ec> i'm trying to reset my password through http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_passwd.php since i originally signed up for a seti@home account a long time ago, but still can't reset my password since the link sends me to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php
18:11 <Romulus> Title: Forgot your p!@#word? (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)
18:12 <PovAddict> going to get_passwd.php asks me my email address, to reset the password
18:14 <CoderForLife> Sulphur
18:14 <ec> mtughan, the link that was sent to me worked....password has been changed
18:14 <CoderForLife> KathrynM must have run out of drool
18:15 <CoderForLife> went to bed to get charged up
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18:16 <CoderForLife> here's the Fedora 9 features list http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList
18:18 <CoderForLife> interesting - USB images persist between reboots
18:19 <CoderForLife> KDE4
18:19 <CoderForLife> ext4
18:20 <CoderForLife> virtual kernel boots under Xen
18:20 <PovAddict> you'd have to go deeper into seeing what changed in KDE4 too :)
18:20 <CoderForLife> looks like a good weekend project for my backup server
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18:32 <CoderForLife> my backup server has been running FC7 for a long time, and has a problem with yum updates due to an version conflict in elfutils
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18:33 <CoderForLife> Laying down F9 would fix that
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18:36 <MTughan> F7. Fedora Core was last used with v6. So FC6, then F7.
18:38 <CoderForLife> are you sure? I thought 8 was the first to go "core-less"
18:38 <Romulus> Title: Releases/7 - Fedora Project Wiki (at fedoraproject.org)
18:38 <MTughan> "The name of the release is Fedora 7, unlike previous ones which featured 'Core' in their names (e.g. Fedora Core 6)."
18:38 <CoderForLife> all my packages on & identify themselves as 'fc7"
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18:41 <CoderForLife> login as: don
18:41 <CoderForLife> password:
18:41 <CoderForLife> Last login: Sat May 10 11:12:03 2008 from 192.168.1.3
18:41 <CoderForLife> [don@compendium ~]$ su
18:41 <CoderForLife> Password:
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18:42 <CoderForLife> oops
18:42 <CoderForLife> there was a lot more in the buffer...
18:42 <xcamel> lol
18:43 <CoderForLife> 188.8.131.52-80.fc7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:29:10 EST 2008 GNU/Linux
18:43 <CoderForLife> my backup server thinks it's "fc7"
18:43 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123
18:43 <MTughan> They may not have changed all the internal names. Officially, it's F7.
18:43 <Tank_Master> &more
18:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 61.7°F / 16.5°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 45. Light wind.; Tuesday - Cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Highs 60 to 65. Light wind becoming southwest 5 (1 more message)
18:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Rain likely. Lows 50 to 55. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;
18:44 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 May 12 - The M81 Galaxy Group Through the Integrated Flux Nebula (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
18:44 <xcamel> very nice
18:44 <CoderForLife> yes
18:45 <Tank_Master> is that where the flux compassiters are made?
18:45 <CoderForLife> it would be great to be "out there" if it didn't take so long to "get there"
18:46 <CoderForLife> "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads..."
18:46 <Tank_Master> lol
18:46 <Tank_Master> who need roads anyway?
18:46 <Tank_Master> roads just make people behave like sheep
18:47 <Tank_Master> all forming one line
18:48 <wdsmia> re-hi
18:48 <CoderForLife> what I want in life is a solid CSV support library - one that works - how hard could it be?
18:48 <Tank_Master> hey
18:48 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 3rd one today
18:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
18:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 71.0°F / 21.7°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Breezy...warmer. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the (1 more message)
18:49 <wdsmia> &more
18:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers after midnight. Low in the mid 40s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;
18:49 <CoderForLife> ... and ... it... just... fraking... blew... up...
18:52 <CoderForLife> arrrggghhh
18:52 <wdsmia> Better luck next time Charley Brown
18:58 * CoderForLife grumbles
18:59 * CoderForLife decides to split the input dataset into smaller chucks
19:13 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osilla/80500328/sizes/o/
19:14 * CoderForLife looks up from Coding furiously
19:15 <xcamel> ka-boomsie
19:15 <CoderForLife> =) yup - seen that before, except how the customer was killed
19:17 * CoderForLife beats his head with conviction on his desk
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19:22 <xcamel> they stuck his nose in an open usb slot and typed "nuke"
19:24 <PovAddict> ugh, my sister needs to print
19:24 <PovAddict> I still haven't set up the printer as network printer, on Linux
19:25 <PovAddict> (and I wouldn't know where to start doing it)
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19:28 <PovAddict> I'll print it locally - let's hope it shows OK in OOo Writer
19:32 <xcamel> cups is the answer..
19:32 <CoderForLife> cups?
19:32 <Romulus> I guess cups is the answer, CoderForLife
19:32 <KathrynM> cups is always the answer
19:32 <CoderForLife> er, beat me to it
19:33 <KathrynM> :D
19:33 <CoderForLife> wb KathrynM
19:33 <xcamel> common unix printing system
19:33 <KathrynM> thx
19:33 <PovAddict> I don't know about any of that
19:33 <PovAddict> I turned the printer on, the system auto-detected it and it worked out-of-the-box... for *local* printing
19:34 <PovAddict> and the printer name indeed shows as CUPS:Stylus_C65
19:34 <xcamel> bingo..
19:34 <xcamel> and you were convinced I was just plain stupid.
19:34 <PovAddict> lol no I wasn't :P
19:35 <PovAddict> so far Linux has given me less trouble with hardware than Windows...
19:36 <PovAddict> no "insert driver CD" or anything... the printer was ready to use (drivers set up, cups configured, etc) ten seconds after the system saw it for the first time
19:36 <PovAddict> the scanner was listed in Kooka list right after I plugged it in
19:36 <PovAddict> (I had huge troubles with the scanner on Windows)
19:36 <CoderForLife> if you're stupid, it's in a very educated, world-wise way
19:37 <xcamel> use the Tux, Luke.
19:37 <PovAddict> now I just gotta RTFM and see if I can set up the printer for network use
19:37 <CoderForLife> you can maybe use Samba
19:37 <xcamel> iirc, the stylus has a built in ip addy
19:37 <CoderForLife> just guessing
19:37 <PovAddict> it's a USB printer
19:38 <CoderForLife> ip addy not
19:38 <PovAddict> yeah, I'll have to use Samba for it to work from Windows...
19:38 <Romulus> 3:00 8550 kbps dn, 731 up, 67ms ping
19:39 <xcamel> you'd need the cups server running, and allow access to the port is lists in the setup
19:39 <xcamel> but it will work...
19:39 * CoderForLife resumes the desk-destruction-by-forehead routine
19:40 * PovAddict rushes with a pillow
19:40 <CoderForLife> this CSV libary doesn't support Latin (Spanish) characters
19:41 <PovAddict> iso-8859-1?
19:41 <CoderForLife> I have a number of records with records relating to our Chilean subsidiary
19:41 <CoderForLife> they like to use Spanish there, for some reason
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19:42 <PovAddict> whoa!! cups runs an HTTP server
19:42 <BB_Work> howdy all
19:42 <Romulus> Title: Home - CUPS 1.2.10 (at localhost:631)
19:43 <xcamel> cool, eh?
19:43 <BB_Work> anybody here know anything about dd-wrt
19:43 <PovAddict> lol Rommie accessed yours, xcamel
19:45 <xcamel> not quite..
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19:53 * PovAddict notes smb looks like a mess to setup
19:54 * CoderForLife wonders what it is about Coding that is so attractive, considering the amount of abject frustration it induces
19:56 <Soul_keeper> makes you feel l33t
19:56 <Soul_keeper> better than the n00bs ...
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19:59 <xcamel> except for women with b1g l33t n00bs
20:00 <PovAddict> I thought those started with 'b'
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20:07 <PovAddict> this really does look like a giant mess
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20:18 <CoderForLife> only computers can generate messes like these
20:19 * KathrynM waves a Sesame Street CD
20:19 <KathrynM> Off to w&@^
20:19 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
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20:34 * CoderForLife does search-and-replace to wipe out Unicode characters in the input file
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20:36 <CoderForLife> "Configuraci=n local/Archivos temporales de Internet" indeed
20:39 <xcamel> you say, Jose?
20:40 <CoderForLife> I'm wondering how anyone can use any utility - everything I got croaks on Unicode
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20:55 <CoderForLife> what a mess
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21:00 <PovAddict> that's temporary internet files btw
21:01 <PovAddict> IE cache
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21:12 <xcamel> Nic - noticed something missing in osx 6.2.1... 'retry communications' is missing from the advanced menu
21:16 <CoderForLife> yeah PovAddict - thx - that one I can figure out - I have a pile more that I'm just whacking back to ASCII
21:17 <CoderForLife> well - enough whacks for one night - off to the sleep sack
21:17 <CoderForLife> nytol
21:21 <xcamel> laterz..
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21:32 <PovAddict> xcamel: ugh
21:33 <PovAddict> 6.x really is like Vista
21:33 <PovAddict> released late, many promised features dropped, previous features removed
21:44 <xcamel> go figure..
21:45 <PovAddict> and, made for Vista compatibility
21:45 <PovAddict> and hey even the version number matches... Vista is 6.0 internally IIRC
21:47 <xcamel> then version 666, and Balmer grows horns...
21:48 <wdsmia> lol
21:50 <xcamel> Beelzebalmer has a ring to it..
21:51 <PovAddict> Ballmer is also known as Elmer FUD
21:52 <PovAddict> fits him like a glove
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21:53 <PovAddict> "shh, be vewy quiet! I'm hunting winux!"
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21:55 <xcamel> laterz..
21:55 <wdsmia> cya
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22:10 <MTughan> Interesting tidbit of information: the Apple I was originally a satanic computer. xD
22:10 <MTughan> Wozniak priced them to be $500 plus a 30% markup, to make $666.66.
22:11 <MTughan> He liked it because of the repeating digits, but didn't know their connections at the time. :P
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22:18 * KathrynM is back (gone 01:58:23)
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22:20 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy
22:21 <MTughan> I thought you went to bed?
22:21 <KathrynM> heh
22:21 <KathrynM> I went back to bed for an hour then to work
22:26 <KathrynM> I hate the people who say "I have the latest xyz program."
22:26 <KathrynM> That's nice. Do you mean the stable version or the alpha/beta version.
22:26 <KathrynM> :/
22:27 <PovAddict> had that here
22:27 <PovAddict> me: what boinc version?
22:27 <PovAddict> him: latest
22:27 <KathrynM> lol
22:27 <PovAddict> me: if you really had the latest (6.2.1), you would be having problems...
22:28 <PovAddict> two great pictures:
22:28 <KathrynM> that's awesome
22:29 <Didactylos> WCG launched a new project today.
22:29 <KathrynM> that's great
22:29 <Didactylos> Nutritious Rice for the World.
22:29 * PovAddict should attach to WCG again
22:30 <KathrynM> why is the wcg slower than molasses in clevleand in january?
22:30 <Didactylos> Slower how?
22:31 <KathrynM> as in it took a full minute for the front page to load
22:31 <Didactylos> Blocked intartubes?
22:32 <KathrynM> dunno. but the forums load ok
22:32 <Didactylos> Maybe they're still working on their filesystem.
22:32 <PovAddict> speaking of things loading ok... I'll take a screenshot of something that doesn't
22:33 <KathrynM> is there a linux version Didactylos?
22:33 <PovAddict> boincstats forum on Konqueror, or maybe any BOINC-based forum...
22:34 <Romulus> Title: snapshot20.png (at imagebin.ca)
22:34 <Didactylos> Should be a simultaneous launch. I forgot to check.
22:34 <PovAddict> the blue bar with ID and rating gets bigger, instead of the box with the actual message - that's table layouts for ya
22:34 <MTughan> UF.org gonna crunch it then?
22:35 <Didactylos> Of course. We work on all the WCG projects.
22:35 <MTughan> And KathrynM: Yes, there's a Linux version.
22:35 <KathrynM> thanks MTughan
22:36 <MTughan> I should enable WCG again too... Even when I had my laptop, I hadn't crunched for a while.
22:36 <PovAddict> also, quite strangely
22:36 <PovAddict> going to somebody's stats (like mine), the page loads
22:36 <PovAddict> the graphs don't
22:36 <Romulus> Doug and Jay have just haven't been on hold for 3rd world country is, is always awesome
22:36 <PovAddict> I right click a graph, click View image, and it loads just fine
22:36 <KathrynM> wtf do I do with this?
22:36 <KathrynM> Tue 13 May 2008 11:36:02 AM KST|World Community Grid|Scheduler request failed: Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)
22:37 <PovAddict> ca-bundle.crt asplode
22:37 <Didactylos> Not again.
22:37 <PovAddict> lol
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22:37 <Didactylos> Honestly, do they bother testing it even?
22:38 <MTughan> Working fine here.
22:38 <PovAddict> KathrynM: version? install method?
22:38 <KathrynM> 5.10.45
22:38 <Didactylos> KathrynM: where did you get BOINC?
22:38 <KathrynM> installed as a system daemon to its own account
22:38 <Didactylos> Manually?
22:38 <PovAddict> from berkeley or yum?
22:38 <PovAddict> or eric's rpm
22:38 <PovAddict> or what
22:38 <KathrynM> Manually according to Eric's directions.
22:39 <KathrynM> 6.2.1 kept crashing on me
22:39 <PovAddict> all your base are belong to boinc
22:39 <Didactylos> Didn't you know? It's almost ready for release!
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22:39 <MTughan> I should do that too, using "sandboxing"...
22:39 <MTughan> I run as root right now to prevent issues with my account.
22:40 <PovAddict> :O
22:40 * PovAddict h4xx0rz into MTughan's computer
22:40 <Didactylos> If I were less busy this month, I would actually help instead of constantly griping.
22:40 <PovAddict> I have been looking into the crypt code some more
22:40 <MTughan> Shut down, gonna sandbox it.
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22:41 <PovAddict> Didactylos: there are still open tickets with milestone 5.10
22:41 <MTughan> In my case, I don't need a command line, just GUI tools.
22:41 <KathrynM> the BOINC gods just like to pick on me
22:42 <Didactylos> KathrynM: are you okay putting ca-bundle in the right place?
22:42 <KathrynM> sure
22:42 <KathrynM> I've gotten over most of my fears
22:42 <KathrynM> I'll also shoot an email to Eric about it. The directions should be modified
22:42 <Didactylos> I tried to set up sandboxing manually, once. I gave up.
22:43 <Didactylos> Mind you, I didn't have Eric's instructions then.
22:43 <Romulus> Title: #395 (linux 5.10.8 boinc_cmd --help references invalid --acct_mgr_rpc option, missing --join_acct_mgr, --quit_acct_mgr, --version) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
22:43 <PovAddict> I have set up "sandboxing" manually on Linux... sort of... :P
22:44 <PovAddict> just created a new user, and remembered to run "./boinc --daemon" from that account after a reboot
22:44 <KathrynM> I'll put it on my todo list to check out Didactylos
22:45 <Didactylos> You mean PovAddict?
22:45 <KathrynM> yeah. SOrry
22:46 <KathrynM> Didactylos, where dose the ca-bundle go?
22:46 <KathrynM> errr does
22:46 <Didactylos> Hahahah*blort*ha*gasp*
22:46 <Didactylos> Depends.
22:47 <Didactylos> Try the data directory or working directory.
22:47 <PovAddict> prepare the necessary sacrifices and put it in the BOINC data dir
22:47 <PovAddict> and then it *might*... *not* fail
22:48 <Didactylos> Or (my favourite method, now) link dynamically to curl, and you don't need it at all.
22:49 <KathrynM> gee thanks :)
22:49 <PovAddict> I found a .crt in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
22:49 <PovAddict> probably what the dynamic libcurl uses
22:49 <PovAddict> (on ubuntu)
22:49 <Didactylos> Should be.
22:50 <KathrynM> /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
22:50 <KathrynM> /usr/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
22:50 <KathrynM> that's what locate tells me
22:50 <PovAddict> oh there's a few dozen separate files in /usr/share/ca-certificates/ too
22:50 <PovAddict> KathrynM: locate *.crt
22:50 <PovAddict> oh wait... BOINC on Ubuntu bundles its own .crt too <.<
22:50 <KathrynM> that's what I did
22:51 <PovAddict> I have a /var/lib/boinc-client/ca-bundle.crt too
22:51 <KathrynM> yeah, but you installed from the package manager, no?
22:51 <KathrynM> I didn't.
22:51 <PovAddict> yup
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22:51 <PovAddict> it's just strange the Ubuntu package comes with one instead of using the system-wide certificates
22:52 <KathrynM> talk to Frank. He manages the Ubuntu stuff, right?
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22:52 <PovAddict> I tried kboincspy
22:52 <KathrynM> I'll shoot that email to Eric just as soon as I finish my lunch. See what he has to say. I haven't bugged him much lately :)
22:52 <PovAddict> the GUI is confusing as hell
22:55 <Didactylos> I've seen screenshots.
22:55 <Didactylos> Didn't look so bad to me - just pointless.
22:56 <PovAddict> took me a few minutes to figure out what i was supposed to enter in "URL" when adding a computer
22:56 <PovAddict> turned out to be the path to client_state.xml
22:56 <KathrynM> I tried it. But I never got into it.
22:56 <PovAddict> not sure what for, since it *also* uses GUIRPCs :/
22:56 <KathrynM> Just easier to set up the gui_rpc stuff with the official manager.
22:57 <MTughan> Yay, seems sandboxing is at least functional.
22:57 <Romulus> Title: #537 (./boinc: symbol lookup error: ./boinc: undefined symbol: gzopen64) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
22:59 <KathrynM> that's exactly what was happening with 6.2.1
23:03 * PovAddict attaches WCG
23:03 <PovAddict> got one DDD (dengue) task
23:06 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where are group members stored on Linux?
23:06 <MTughan> I know users are in /etc/passwd.
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23:08 <MTughan> I tried to make myself a part of the sandbox group so I can access and modify the files, but it's not working.
23:08 <KathrynM> I used the GUI.
23:08 <KathrynM> I'm lazy like that :)
23:10 <MTughan> That's what I did, but it's not working.
23:10 <MTughan> And I found the file, /etc/group, and that looks correct.
23:11 <KathrynM> check that the directory containing the files has an x in it's permissions
23:11 <MTughan> But I'm still being denied access... Permissions are correct.
23:11 <MTughan> KathrynM: It's 0770.
23:11 <MTughan> rwxrwx---
23:11 <KathrynM> the directory or the file?
23:11 <MTughan> Both.
23:11 <KathrynM> I'm out of ideas :)
23:12 <MTughan> The problem seems to occur trying to change into the home folder. Permissions are right there too.
23:12 <Didactylos> I don't really understand Unix-style permissions. They are so limited, but endlessly difficult to set up.
23:13 <Didactylos> Give me an ACL any day :-)
23:13 <PovAddict> back
23:14 <MTughan> Actually, it could be something like that... Could an ACL prevent me access to another user's home folder, despite permissions?
23:14 <PovAddict> Linux doesn't have with ACL system unless you explicitly set it up, afaik
23:14 <MTughan> Well, this is sort of like Red Hat.
23:15 <MTughan> [mtughan@michaelfedora home]$ cd boinc_master/
23:15 <MTughan> bash: cd: boinc_master: Permission denied
23:15 <MTughan> [mtughan@michaelfedora home]$ ls -l
23:15 <MTughan> drwxrwx--- 5 boinc_master boinc_project 4096 2008-05-12 22:58 boinc_master
23:15 <MTughan> I am a member of boinc_project.
23:16 <PovAddict> you might need to relogin (at least close the shell and open it again) for that to take effect
23:16 <PovAddict> run the 'id' command
23:16 <MTughan> This was a new shell, but I'll check.
23:16 <MTughan> Yep... "uid=500(mtughan) gid=500(mtughan) groups=500(mtughan)"
23:17 <PovAddict> and how did you edit /etc/group?
23:17 <MTughan> Would I have to close all previous shells, or just open a new one?
23:17 <MTughan> I used a GUI tool.
23:17 <MTughan> system-config-users
23:17 <PovAddict> grep boinc_project /etc/group
23:18 <MTughan> I already checked that. "boinc_project:x:502:boinc_master,mtughan"
23:18 <BadBarbarian> howdy MY
23:18 <BadBarbarian> mt
23:18 <MTughan> 'lo BB
23:19 <BadBarbarian> i have a question have eather of you ever used dd-wrt
23:19 <MTughan> Hmm... I closed all shells and opened a new one, even though I shouldn't have to do that. Still the old permissions.
23:20 <Soul_keeper> star trek is the best :)
23:20 <MTughan> WTF?!
23:20 <MTughan> id shows just mtughan group.
23:20 <MTughan> id mtughan shows both!
23:21 <KathrynM> I have no idea MTughan
23:21 <MTughan> I wouldn't expect you to. :P
23:21 <PovAddict> lemme test
23:21 <KathrynM> But thanks for reminding me. I had forgot to chmod 770 thta directory.
23:21 * KathrynM is very happy being a LInux moron.
23:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: I do think you need to re-login
23:22 <KathrynM> I've also discovered that McCol is not a generic Korean version of pepsi.
23:22 <KathrynM> It's some rice soda that just looks like cola.
23:22 <PovAddict> which would involve restarting X
23:22 <PovAddict> but...
23:22 <MTughan> You mean from the login screen?
23:22 <PovAddict> try "su mtughan"
23:22 <MTughan> Works...
23:23 <MTughan> Yep, all permissions work as expected.
23:23 <MTughan> So it is using a preexisting shell session then?
23:23 <PovAddict> when you open a console, you aren't logging in again
23:24 <MTughan> It did on Mac.
23:24 <MTughan> That is a Unix too though...
23:24 <PovAddict> group info etc is inherited from the parent process... parent process is the menu you used to start the console :) and that menu inherited that info from... whatever started it
23:25 <MTughan> One sec...
23:25 <MTughan> init -> gnome-terminal -> bash
23:25 <PovAddict> then its parent died
23:26 <MTughan> Everything seems to be under one of two processes: kthreadd or init.
23:26 <Romulus> back in in the rain.
23:26 <PovAddict> init is in charge of all orphans
23:27 <PovAddict> strange, my process tree is more interesting than yours
23:28 <PovAddict> kdeinit -> sh compiz -> compiz.real -> sh -c compiz-decorator -> sh compiz-decorator -> emerald
23:37 <MTughan> Cool... So does stuff in /etc/init.d get started automatically?
23:39 <Didactylos> If it's enabled, yes.
23:39 <MTughan> If what is enabled?
23:39 <PovAddict> not really
23:39 <PovAddict> stuff in /etc/rc*.d/ is started automatically
23:39 <PovAddict> (which has symlinks into /etc/init.d files :P)
23:39 <KathrynM> damn it PovAddict, you beat me to it.
23:40 <KathrynM> on that note, I'll go back to work and watch the kids play outside :)
23:40 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
23:40 <MTughan> I have rc0-6.d. What do the numbers mean?
23:40 <PovAddict> runlevels
23:40 <MTughan> Or rather, rc(0-6).d
23:40 <PovAddict> runlevel 0: shutdown
23:40 <PovAddict> runlevel 6: reboot
23:41 <PovAddict> runlevel 1: maintenance / single-user mode
23:41 <PovAddict> 2-5 are the normal ones, I'm not sure if they differ any nowadays
23:41 <MTughan> I'll look it up... Thanks.
23:42 <MTughan> Looks like I want three...
23:43 <MTughan> 3 Multi-User Mode with Networking Starts the system normally.
23:43 <MTughan> 5 X11 As runlevel 3 + display manager.
23:43 <Romulus> Title: Runlevel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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23:44 <MTughan> Then in rc3.d, every link is preceded by K## or S##, where # is a digit. Know what those mean?
23:45 <PovAddict> digits are used for the order they get executed
23:45 <MTughan> Higher the digit, the farther back?
23:46 <PovAddict> see wp:init too
23:46 <MTughan> Huh?
23:46 <Romulus> Title: init - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:47 <MTughan> I'm looking there.
23:53 <MTughan> Ah, okay... I'll need both.
23:54 <MTughan> I would think.
23:57 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1016606 (at pastebin.ca)