IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-05-12

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00:41 <quail> wow these 2 guys are going to the artic and they'll be getting emails via a satellite phone and a eeepc >>> http://www.1000hourday.com/ <<< and if you look in the gallery for 2008 you'll see a couple of picture of the eeepc being used / tested in a big freezer at -38C

00:41 <Romulus> Title: The iiNet 1000 Hour Day Expedition: Chris Bray & Clark Carter - Victoria Is (at www.1000hourday.com)

00:41 <Romulus> well that's all for now?

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01:37 <efc> Bet you can OC better in air there ..

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02:22 <ec> i have a question regarding accounts on boinc

02:23 <ec> i have one for seti@home, but haven't used boinc for some time

02:24 <ec> and have been trying to recover my password, but i keep getting errors saying the user name and email done match.....has anyone run into this before

02:24 <ec> don't match

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02:37 <ec> ?

02:37 <ec> anyone?

02:37 <MTughan> Hello.

02:37 <ec> hi

02:38 <MTughan> BOINC question?

02:38 <ec> had an account question relating to boinc

02:39 <ec> i've an account on boinc for some time and have been trying to recover my password

02:39 <ec> but the system doesn't seem to find my information

02:40 <ec> and i'm not sure what to do

02:40 <MTughan> What project?

02:40 <Romulus> It has been said that What project are we talking about, MTughan

02:40 <MTughan> Ignore Romulus...

02:41 <ec> the only project i've been working on is seti@home

02:41 <MTughan> What was your username? ec?

02:41 <ec> echristi

02:42 <MTughan> Your account is still there... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/user_search.php?search_string=echristi&search_type=name_prefix&country=any&profile=either&team=either&action=Search

02:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5w3wt3> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

02:43 <MTughan> Do you still have and know the email address you signed up with then?

02:44 <ec> i do....been having some accessing my email with it thought.....sent an email from another email account to the administrators under the original email about that

02:45 <MTughan> Have you tried getting in with this? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_passwd.php

02:45 <Romulus> Title: Forgot your p!@#word? (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

02:46 <ec> i got a new computer recently....but didn't get the authenticator information from the old one

02:46 <MTughan> No, the top option, with the email address.

02:48 <ec> don't mean to ask a dumb question, but should i use the original email address i used or should i use a different email address

02:48 <ec> the original email address i don't have access to at the moment

02:48 <MTughan> The original email address, the one that you would've used before.

02:49 <MTughan> If you're not able to use it at all, you'd have to talk to the S@H administrators (I don't know who that is) and get them to reset your password, or create a new account. You said you don't have the authenticator from BOINC, right?

02:50 <ec> no, i don't unfortunately

02:51 <ec> i entered the original email address and the it says that instructions were sent to the address

02:51 <MTughan> Yep, so there's nothing you can do to get to your account. One of the administrators could possibly reset your account (I don't work with the server side, so I can't tell you conclusively), or you could create a new account.

02:51 <MTughan> Oh, can you get email from your original address?

02:54 <ec> i can, but have been having account problems.....hoping to get it resolved soon

02:54 <Soul_keeper> i won the battle with my truck

02:54 <MTughan> Because if you can get to the email account, you can get/reset your password, and then change the email address.

02:55 <ec> ok....if that doesn't work then is there a #seti channel here on freenode?

02:56 <MTughan> Not that I know of.

02:56 <ec> ok

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03:00 <MTughan> ec: Is that it for tonight? I'd help you more, but it's 3AM here, so... :P

03:00 <Romulus> is having fun transfering from UD to BOINC. Then ran the sample work generator... they are all different suppliers

03:01 <ec> ok

03:01 <ec> yeah that's it

03:01 <ec> thanks for the help

03:01 <MTughan> np

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03:04 <MTughan> And that's what happens with the X server crashes...

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04:12 <CoderForLife> morning

04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 49.8F / 9.9C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds 5 (1 more message)

04:33 <CoderForLife> &more

04:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: to 10 mph...becoming east after midnight.; Tuesday - Sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:40 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant

04:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 21 hours, 51 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> missed by that much...again!

04:42 <CoderForLife> &seen ELGono

04:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: ELGono was last seen in #boinc 7 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ELGono> just popped in to have a look on weather (rather than looking out the window)

04:42 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

05:06 <CoderForLife> been back

05:11 <CoderForLife> I'm off to get ready for w@#%

05:49 <xcamel> a w^%kin we will go...

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06:14 <CoderForLife> last check-in...  now I'm on the rim and out the door

06:14 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:28 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 36F / 2.2C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 1mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 43 on the North Rim to around 49 along the Colorado River. South winds around 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph early in the evening.; Monday - Breezy. Not as warm. Mostly sunny in the morning... partly cloudy with a 10 (2 more messages)

06:28 <BadBarbarian> &more

06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 59 on the North Rim to around 85 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Monday Night - Breezy. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers and isolated thunderstorms in the evening...a chance of rain showers after midnight. Lows around 27 on the North Rim to around 44 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph (1 more message)

06:28 <BadBarbarian> &more

06:28 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; Fire Weather Watch for Coconino County in effect until 7:00 PM MST on May 12, 2008;

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06:32 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 38.2F / 3.4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...warmer. High in the lower 70s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Warmer. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph (1 more message)

06:32 <wdsmia> &more

06:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the evening.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

06:33 <BadBarbarian> Mornin wdsmia

06:33 <wdsmia> mornin BB

06:33 <BadBarbarian> Chilly this moening

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06:36 <BadBarbarian> Opps

06:44 <hawmps> 'lo Doug, BB

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06:49 <hawmps> An earthquake measuring 7.8 on the Richter scale has hit China's Sichuan province.

06:50 <hawmps> now that's a big quake

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07:50 <KathrynM> http://ask.metafilter.com/91135/Distributed-computing-as-volunteer-work

07:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5s5sv7> (at ask.metafilter.com)

07:54 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM hawmps BadBarbarian wdsmia

07:55 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

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08:46 <wdsmia_w> ditto

08:47 <hawmps> this pollen season is killing me...

09:00 * KathrynM understands as she opens another box of tissues

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09:07 <E-30> hey

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09:39 <BadBarbarian> Mornin

09:39 <E-30> morring

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13:02 <desti> http://www.flickr.com/people/barackobamadotcom/

13:02 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: Barack Obama (at www.flickr.com)

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15:58 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:07 <PovAddict> quiet day in here

16:15 <xcamel> indeed..

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16:29 <Tank_Master> most observant

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17:03 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:03 <CoderForLife> wonder what that was

17:03 <CoderForLife> anyways - hello

17:04 <CoderForLife> I see I got some LHC work

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17:08 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 68.1F / 20.1C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.9mph / 4.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming east after midnight.; Tuesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then (1 more message)

17:08 <CoderForLife> &more

17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: increasing clouds with a chance of showers late. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;

17:08 <CoderForLife> real purdy out

17:08 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go plant some flowers

17:08 <CoderForLife> bbl

17:09 <MTughan> Yeah, I got some LHC too.

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17:10 <xcamel> 'lo Don, Mike

17:11 <xcamel> ditto on the LHC

17:11 <xcamel> bigger wu's too..

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17:27 <xcamel> wb Doug

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17:32 <KathrynM> mornin

17:33 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

17:33 <MTughan> Fedora 9 coming out tomorrow.

17:33 <KathrynM> I know :)

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17:38 <PovAddict> &math calc ((1024 + 7) / 8)

17:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: 128.875

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17:52 <xcamel> it's official -- Mccain is a moron:

17:52 <xcamel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRHRRYHKIY

17:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - TV AD - A Better Way (at www.youtube.com)

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18:02 <ec> hi

18:04 <ec> is mtughan here?

18:04 <MTughan> Yep.

18:04 <ec> i finally got access to the email account we talked about yesterday

18:04 <MTughan> Cool.

18:04 <MTughan> And did it work?

18:06 <CoderForLife> re-hi

18:06 <CoderForLife> planting done

18:06 <ec> well...

18:07 <CoderForLife> Fedora 9?

18:07 <Romulus> Rumor has it Fedora 9 is out now, CoderForLife

18:07 <CoderForLife> what's it's claim to fame?

18:07 <KathrynM> shiny and new?

18:08 * CoderForLife soaks up a Coca-Cola Cherry Zero

18:08 * KathrynM drools

18:08 <CoderForLife> ah, a great reason to upgrade - shiny thing

18:08 <CoderForLife> we have a joke running at w@#% during lunch

18:09 <CoderForLife> I point out all the retaining walls along the route

18:09 <MTughan> There's probably some new features, I just haven't really seen the list.

18:10 <CoderForLife> A 7.9 mag quake is a big one

18:10 * CoderForLife looks at the Fedora site

18:11 * KathrynM goes back to bed for an hour

18:11 <ec> i'm trying to reset my password through http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_passwd.php since i originally signed up for a seti@home account a long time ago, but still can't reset my password since the link sends me to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php

18:11 <Romulus> Title: Forgot your p!@#word? (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

18:12 <PovAddict> going to get_passwd.php asks me my email address, to reset the password

18:14 <CoderForLife> Sulphur

18:14 <ec> mtughan, the link that was sent to me worked....password has been changed

18:14 <CoderForLife> KathrynM must have run out of drool

18:15 <CoderForLife> went to bed to get charged up

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18:16 <CoderForLife> here's the Fedora 9 features list  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList

18:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2o45ec> (at fedoraproject.org)

18:18 <CoderForLife> interesting - USB images persist between reboots

18:19 <CoderForLife> KDE4

18:19 <CoderForLife> ext4

18:20 <CoderForLife> virtual kernel boots under Xen

18:20 <PovAddict> you'd have to go deeper into seeing what changed in KDE4 too :)

18:20 <CoderForLife> looks like a good weekend project for my backup server

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18:32 <CoderForLife> my backup server has been running FC7 for a long time, and has a problem with yum updates due to an version conflict in elfutils

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18:33 <CoderForLife> Laying down F9 would fix that

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18:36 <MTughan> F7. Fedora Core was last used with v6. So FC6, then F7.

18:38 <CoderForLife> are you sure?  I thought 8 was the first to go "core-less"

18:38 <MTughan> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7

18:38 <Romulus> Title: Releases/7 - Fedora Project Wiki (at fedoraproject.org)

18:38 <MTughan> "The name of the release is Fedora 7, unlike previous ones which featured 'Core' in their names (e.g. Fedora Core 6)."

18:38 <CoderForLife> all my packages on & identify themselves as 'fc7"

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18:41 <CoderForLife> login as: don

18:41 <CoderForLife> password:

18:41 <CoderForLife> Last login: Sat May 10 11:12:03 2008 from 192.168.1.3

18:41 <CoderForLife> [don@compendium ~]$ su

18:41 <CoderForLife> Password:

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18:42 <CoderForLife> oops

18:42 <CoderForLife> there was a lot more in the buffer...

18:42 <xcamel> lol

18:43 <CoderForLife> 2.6.23.15-80.fc7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:29:10 EST 2008 GNU/Linux

18:43 <CoderForLife> my backup server thinks it's "fc7"

18:43 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

18:43 <MTughan> They may not have changed all the internal names. Officially, it's F7.

18:43 <Tank_Master> &more

18:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 61.7F / 16.5C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 45. Light wind.; Tuesday - Cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Highs 60 to 65. Light wind becoming southwest 5 (1 more message)

18:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Rain likely. Lows 50 to 55. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

18:44 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080512.html

18:44 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 May 12 - The M81 Galaxy Group Through the Integrated Flux Nebula (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

18:44 <xcamel> very nice

18:44 <CoderForLife> yes

18:45 <Tank_Master> is that where the flux compassiters are made?

18:45 <CoderForLife> it would be great to be "out there" if it didn't take so long to "get there"

18:46 <CoderForLife> "Roads?  Where we're going, we don't need roads..."

18:46 <Tank_Master> lol

18:46 <Tank_Master> who need roads anyway?

18:46 <Tank_Master> roads just make people behave like sheep

18:47 <Tank_Master> all forming one line

18:48 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:48 <CoderForLife> what I want in life is a solid CSV support library - one that works - how hard could it be?

18:48 <Tank_Master> hey

18:48 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 3rd one today

18:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 71.0F / 21.7C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Breezy...warmer. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind 15 to 25 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

18:49 <wdsmia> &more

18:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers after midnight. Low in the mid 40s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

18:49 <CoderForLife> ... and ... it... just... fraking... blew... up...

18:52 <CoderForLife> arrrggghhh

18:52 <wdsmia> Better luck next time Charley Brown

18:58 * CoderForLife grumbles

18:59 * CoderForLife decides to split the input dataset into smaller chucks

19:13 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osilla/80500328/sizes/o/

19:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55nn88> (at www.flickr.com)

19:14 * CoderForLife looks up from Coding furiously

19:15 <xcamel> ka-boomsie

19:15 <CoderForLife> =) yup - seen that before, except how the customer was killed

19:17 * CoderForLife beats his head with conviction on his desk

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19:22 <xcamel> they stuck his nose in an open usb slot and typed "nuke"

19:24 <PovAddict> ugh, my sister needs to print

19:24 <PovAddict> I still haven't set up the printer as network printer, on Linux

19:25 <PovAddict> (and I wouldn't know where to start doing it)

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19:28 <PovAddict> I'll print it locally - let's hope it shows OK in OOo Writer

19:32 <xcamel> cups is the answer..

19:32 <CoderForLife> cups?

19:32 <Romulus> I guess cups is the answer, CoderForLife

19:32 <KathrynM> cups is always the answer

19:32 <CoderForLife> er, beat me to it

19:33 <KathrynM> :D

19:33 <CoderForLife> wb KathrynM

19:33 <xcamel> common unix printing system

19:33 <KathrynM> thx

19:33 <PovAddict> I don't know about any of that

19:33 <PovAddict> I turned the printer on, the system auto-detected it and it worked out-of-the-box... for *local* printing

19:34 <PovAddict> and the printer name indeed shows as CUPS:Stylus_C65

19:34 <xcamel> bingo..

19:34 <xcamel> and you were convinced I was just plain stupid.

19:34 <PovAddict> lol no I wasn't :P

19:35 <PovAddict> so far Linux has given me less trouble with hardware than Windows...

19:36 <PovAddict> no "insert driver CD" or anything... the printer was ready to use (drivers set up, cups configured, etc) ten seconds after the system saw it for the first time

19:36 <PovAddict> the scanner was listed in Kooka list right after I plugged it in

19:36 <PovAddict> (I had huge troubles with the scanner on Windows)

19:36 <CoderForLife> if you're stupid, it's in a very educated, world-wise way

19:37 <xcamel> use the Tux, Luke.

19:37 <PovAddict> now I just gotta RTFM and see if I can set up the printer for network use

19:37 <CoderForLife> you can maybe use Samba

19:37 <xcamel> iirc, the stylus has a built in ip addy

19:37 <CoderForLife> just guessing

19:37 <PovAddict> it's a USB printer

19:38 <CoderForLife> ip addy not

19:38 <PovAddict> yeah, I'll have to use Samba for it to work from Windows...

19:38 <Romulus> 3:00 8550 kbps dn, 731 up, 67ms ping

19:39 <xcamel> you'd need the cups server running, and allow access to the port is lists in the setup

19:39 <xcamel> but it will work...

19:39 * CoderForLife resumes the desk-destruction-by-forehead routine

19:40 * PovAddict rushes with a pillow

19:40 <CoderForLife> this CSV libary doesn't support Latin (Spanish) characters

19:41 <PovAddict> iso-8859-1?

19:41 <CoderForLife> I have a number of records with records relating to our Chilean subsidiary

19:41 <CoderForLife> they like to use Spanish there, for some reason

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19:42 <PovAddict> whoa!! cups runs an HTTP server

19:42 <BB_Work> howdy all

19:42 <PovAddict> http://localhost:631/ has a whole web interface to manage print jobs, and documentation

19:42 <Romulus> Title: Home - CUPS 1.2.10 (at localhost:631)

19:43 <xcamel> cool, eh?

19:43 <BB_Work> anybody here know anything about dd-wrt

19:43 <PovAddict> lol Rommie accessed yours, xcamel

19:45 <xcamel> not quite..

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19:53 * PovAddict notes smb looks like a mess to setup

19:54 * CoderForLife wonders what it is about Coding that is so attractive, considering the amount of abject frustration it induces

19:56 <Soul_keeper> makes you feel l33t

19:56 <Soul_keeper> better than the n00bs ...

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19:59 <xcamel> except for women with b1g l33t n00bs

20:00 <PovAddict> I thought those started with 'b'

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20:07 <PovAddict> this really does look like a giant mess

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20:18 <CoderForLife> only computers can generate messes like these

20:19 * KathrynM waves a Sesame Street CD

20:19 <KathrynM> Off to w&@^

20:19 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

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20:34 * CoderForLife does search-and-replace to wipe out Unicode characters in the input file

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20:36 <CoderForLife> "Configuraci=n local/Archivos temporales de Internet" indeed

20:39 <xcamel> you say, Jose?

20:40 <CoderForLife> I'm wondering how anyone can use any utility - everything I got croaks on Unicode

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20:55 <CoderForLife> what a mess

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21:00 <PovAddict> that's temporary internet files btw

21:01 <PovAddict> IE cache

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21:12 <xcamel> Nic - noticed something missing in osx 6.2.1... 'retry communications' is missing from the advanced menu

21:16 <CoderForLife> yeah PovAddict - thx - that one I can figure out - I have a pile more that I'm just whacking back to ASCII

21:17 <CoderForLife> well - enough whacks for one night - off to the sleep sack

21:17 <CoderForLife> nytol

21:21 <xcamel> laterz..

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21:32 <PovAddict> xcamel: ugh

21:33 <PovAddict> 6.x really is like Vista

21:33 <PovAddict> released late, many promised features dropped, previous features removed

21:44 <xcamel> go figure..

21:45 <PovAddict> and, made for Vista compatibility

21:45 <PovAddict> and hey even the version number matches... Vista is 6.0 internally IIRC

21:47 <xcamel> then version 666, and Balmer grows horns...

21:48 <wdsmia> lol

21:50 <xcamel> Beelzebalmer has a ring to it..

21:51 <PovAddict> Ballmer is also known as Elmer FUD

21:52 <PovAddict> fits him like a glove

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21:53 <PovAddict> "shh, be vewy quiet! I'm hunting winux!"

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21:55 <xcamel> laterz..

21:55 <wdsmia> cya

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22:10 <MTughan> Interesting tidbit of information: the Apple I was originally a satanic computer. xD

22:10 <MTughan> Wozniak priced them to be $500 plus a 30% markup, to make $666.66.

22:11 <MTughan> He liked it because of the repeating digits, but didn't know their connections at the time. :P

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22:18 * KathrynM is back (gone 01:58:23)

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22:20 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

22:21 <MTughan> I thought you went to bed?

22:21 <KathrynM> heh

22:21 <KathrynM> I went back to bed for an hour then to work

22:26 <KathrynM> I hate the people who say "I have the latest xyz program."

22:26 <KathrynM> That's nice.  Do you mean the stable version or the alpha/beta version.

22:26 <KathrynM> :/

22:27 <PovAddict> had that here

22:27 <PovAddict> me: what boinc version?

22:27 <PovAddict> him: latest

22:27 <KathrynM> lol

22:27 <PovAddict> me: if you really had the latest (6.2.1), you would be having problems...

22:28 <PovAddict> two great pictures:

22:28 <PovAddict> http://imagechan.com/images/71e741565193b5826963d210352646ba.jpg

22:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2tckd3> (at imagechan.com)

22:28 <KathrynM> that's awesome

22:29 <PovAddict> http://www.flickr.com/photos/osilla/80500328/sizes/o/

22:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55nn88> (at www.flickr.com)

22:29 <Didactylos> WCG launched a new project today.

22:29 <KathrynM> that's great

22:29 <Didactylos> Nutritious Rice for the World.

22:29 * PovAddict should attach to WCG again

22:30 <KathrynM> why is the wcg slower than molasses in clevleand in january?

22:30 <Didactylos> Slower how?

22:31 <KathrynM> as in it took a full minute for the front page to load

22:31 <Didactylos> Blocked intartubes?

22:32 <KathrynM> dunno. but the forums load ok

22:32 <Didactylos> Maybe they're still working on their filesystem.

22:32 <PovAddict> speaking of things loading ok... I'll take a screenshot of something that doesn't

22:33 <KathrynM> is there a linux version Didactylos?

22:33 <PovAddict> boincstats forum on Konqueror, or maybe any BOINC-based forum...

22:34 <PovAddict> http://imagebin.ca/view/ep6y34H.html

22:34 <Romulus> Title: snapshot20.png (at imagebin.ca)

22:34 <Didactylos> Should be a simultaneous launch. I forgot to check.

22:34 <PovAddict> the blue bar with ID and rating gets bigger, instead of the box with the actual message - that's table layouts for ya

22:34 <MTughan> UF.org gonna crunch it then?

22:35 <Didactylos> Of course. We work on all the WCG projects.

22:35 <MTughan> And KathrynM: Yes, there's a Linux version.

22:35 <MTughan> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/rice/viewRiceFaq.do?shortName=rice#357

22:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5at8vl> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

22:35 <KathrynM> thanks MTughan

22:36 <MTughan> I should enable WCG again too... Even when I had my laptop, I hadn't crunched for a while.

22:36 <PovAddict> also, quite strangely

22:36 <PovAddict> going to somebody's stats (like mine), the page loads

22:36 <PovAddict> the graphs don't

22:36 <Romulus> Doug and Jay have just haven't been on hold for 3rd world country is, is always awesome

22:36 <PovAddict> I right click a graph, click View image, and it loads just fine

22:36 <KathrynM> wtf do I do with this?

22:36 <KathrynM> Tue 13 May 2008 11:36:02 AM KST|World Community Grid|Scheduler request failed: Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)

22:37 <PovAddict> ca-bundle.crt asplode

22:37 <Didactylos> Not again.

22:37 <PovAddict> lol

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22:37 <Didactylos> Honestly, do they bother testing it even?

22:38 <MTughan> Working fine here.

22:38 <PovAddict> KathrynM: version? install method?

22:38 <KathrynM> 5.10.45

22:38 <Didactylos> KathrynM: where did you get BOINC?

22:38 <KathrynM> installed as a system daemon to its own account

22:38 <Didactylos> Manually?

22:38 <PovAddict> from berkeley or yum?

22:38 <PovAddict> or eric's rpm

22:38 <PovAddict> or what

22:38 <KathrynM> http://www.spy-hill.net/~myers/help/boinc/unix.html

22:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5lt5pj> (at www.spy-hill.net)

22:38 <KathrynM> Manually according to Eric's directions.

22:39 <KathrynM> 6.2.1 kept crashing on me

22:39 <PovAddict> all your base are belong to boinc

22:39 <Didactylos> Didn't you know? It's almost ready for release!

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22:39 <MTughan> I should do that too, using "sandboxing"...

22:39 <MTughan> I run as root right now to prevent issues with my account.

22:40 <PovAddict> :O

22:40 * PovAddict h4xx0rz into MTughan's computer

22:40 <Didactylos> If I were less busy this month, I would actually help instead of constantly griping.

22:40 <PovAddict> I have been looking into the crypt code some more

22:40 <MTughan> Shut down, gonna sandbox it.

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22:41 <PovAddict> Didactylos: there are still open tickets with milestone 5.10

22:41 <MTughan> In my case, I don't need a command line, just GUI tools.

22:41 <KathrynM> the BOINC gods just like to pick on me

22:42 <Didactylos> KathrynM: are you okay putting ca-bundle in the right place?

22:42 <KathrynM> sure

22:42 <KathrynM> I've gotten over most of my fears

22:42 <KathrynM> I'll also shoot an email to Eric about it.  The directions should be modified

22:42 <Didactylos> I tried to set up sandboxing manually, once. I gave up.

22:43 <Didactylos> Mind you, I didn't have Eric's instructions then.

22:43 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/395 <- can anyone confirm this fixed in 6.x?

22:43 <Romulus> Title: #395 (linux 5.10.8 boinc_cmd --help references invalid --acct_mgr_rpc option, missing --join_acct_mgr, --quit_acct_mgr, --version) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:43 <PovAddict> I have set up "sandboxing" manually on Linux... sort of... :P

22:44 <PovAddict> just created a new user, and remembered to run "./boinc --daemon" from that account after a reboot

22:44 <KathrynM> I'll put it on my todo list to check out Didactylos

22:45 <Didactylos> You mean PovAddict?

22:45 <KathrynM> yeah.  SOrry

22:46 <KathrynM> Didactylos, where dose the ca-bundle go?

22:46 <KathrynM> errr does

22:46 <Didactylos> Hahahah*blort*ha*gasp*

22:46 <Didactylos> Depends.

22:47 <Didactylos> Try the data directory or working directory.

22:47 <PovAddict> prepare the necessary sacrifices and put it in the BOINC data dir

22:47 <PovAddict> and then it *might*... *not* fail

22:48 <Didactylos> Or (my favourite method, now) link dynamically to curl, and you don't need it at all.

22:49 <KathrynM> gee thanks :)

22:49 <PovAddict> I found a .crt in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt

22:49 <PovAddict> probably what the dynamic libcurl uses

22:49 <PovAddict> (on ubuntu)

22:49 <Didactylos> Should be.

22:50 <KathrynM> /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt

22:50 <KathrynM> /usr/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt

22:50 <KathrynM> that's what locate tells me

22:50 <PovAddict> oh there's a few dozen separate files in /usr/share/ca-certificates/ too

22:50 <PovAddict> KathrynM: locate *.crt

22:50 <PovAddict> oh wait... BOINC on Ubuntu bundles its own .crt too <.<

22:50 <KathrynM> that's what I did

22:51 <PovAddict> I have a /var/lib/boinc-client/ca-bundle.crt too

22:51 <KathrynM> yeah, but you installed from the package manager, no?

22:51 <KathrynM> I didn't.

22:51 <PovAddict> yup

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22:51 <PovAddict> it's just strange the Ubuntu package comes with one instead of using the system-wide certificates

22:52 <KathrynM> talk to Frank.  He manages the Ubuntu stuff, right?

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22:52 <PovAddict> I tried kboincspy

22:52 <KathrynM> I'll shoot that email to Eric just as soon as I finish my lunch.  See what he has to say.  I haven't bugged him much lately :)

22:52 <PovAddict> the GUI is confusing as hell

22:55 <Didactylos> I've seen screenshots.

22:55 <Didactylos> Didn't look so bad to me - just pointless.

22:56 <PovAddict> took me a few minutes to figure out what i was supposed to enter in "URL" when adding a computer

22:56 <PovAddict> turned out to be the path to client_state.xml

22:56 <KathrynM> I tried it.  But I never got into it.

22:56 <PovAddict> not sure what for, since it *also* uses GUIRPCs :/

22:56 <KathrynM> Just easier to set up the gui_rpc stuff with the official manager.

22:57 <MTughan> Yay, seems sandboxing is at least functional.

22:57 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/537 <- devs didn't even notice the ticket existance it seems

22:57 <Romulus> Title: #537 (./boinc: symbol lookup error: ./boinc: undefined symbol: gzopen64) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:59 <KathrynM> that's exactly what was happening with 6.2.1

23:03 * PovAddict attaches WCG

23:03 <PovAddict> got one DDD (dengue) task

23:06 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where are group members stored on Linux?

23:06 <MTughan> I know users are in /etc/passwd.

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23:08 <MTughan> I tried to make myself a part of the sandbox group so I can access and modify the files, but it's not working.

23:08 <KathrynM> I used the GUI.

23:08 <KathrynM> I'm lazy like that :)

23:10 <MTughan> That's what I did, but it's not working.

23:10 <MTughan> And I found the file, /etc/group, and that looks correct.

23:11 <KathrynM> check that the directory containing the files has an x in it's permissions

23:11 <MTughan> But I'm still being denied access... Permissions are correct.

23:11 <MTughan> KathrynM: It's 0770.

23:11 <MTughan> rwxrwx---

23:11 <KathrynM> the directory or the file?

23:11 <MTughan> Both.

23:11 <KathrynM> I'm out of ideas :)

23:12 <MTughan> The problem seems to occur trying to change into the home folder. Permissions are right there too.

23:12 <Didactylos> I don't really understand Unix-style permissions. They are so limited, but endlessly difficult to set up.

23:13 <Didactylos> Give me an ACL any day :-)

23:13 <PovAddict> back

23:14 <MTughan> Actually, it could be something like that... Could an ACL prevent me access to another user's home folder, despite permissions?

23:14 <PovAddict> Linux doesn't have with ACL system unless you explicitly set it up, afaik

23:14 <MTughan> Well, this is sort of like Red Hat.

23:15 <MTughan> [mtughan@michaelfedora home]$ cd boinc_master/

23:15 <MTughan> bash: cd: boinc_master: Permission denied

23:15 <MTughan> [mtughan@michaelfedora home]$ ls -l

23:15 <MTughan> drwxrwx---  5 boinc_master boinc_project 4096 2008-05-12 22:58 boinc_master

23:15 <MTughan> I am a member of boinc_project.

23:16 <PovAddict> you might need to relogin (at least close the shell and open it again) for that to take effect

23:16 <PovAddict> run the 'id' command

23:16 <MTughan> This was a new shell, but I'll check.

23:16 <MTughan> Yep... "uid=500(mtughan) gid=500(mtughan) groups=500(mtughan)"

23:17 <PovAddict> and how did you edit /etc/group?

23:17 <MTughan> Would I have to close all previous shells, or just open a new one?

23:17 <MTughan> I used a GUI tool.

23:17 <MTughan> system-config-users

23:17 <PovAddict> grep boinc_project /etc/group

23:18 <MTughan> I already checked that. "boinc_project:x:502:boinc_master,mtughan"

23:18 <BadBarbarian> howdy MY

23:18 <BadBarbarian> mt

23:18 <MTughan> 'lo BB

23:19 <BadBarbarian> i have a question have eather of you ever used dd-wrt

23:19 <MTughan> Hmm... I closed all shells and opened a new one, even though I shouldn't have to do that. Still the old permissions.

23:20 <Soul_keeper> star trek is the best :)

23:20 <MTughan> WTF?!

23:20 <MTughan> id shows just mtughan group.

23:20 <MTughan> id mtughan shows both!

23:21 <KathrynM> I have no idea MTughan

23:21 <MTughan> I wouldn't expect you to. :P

23:21 <PovAddict> lemme test

23:21 <KathrynM> But thanks for reminding me.  I had forgot to chmod 770 thta directory.

23:21 * KathrynM is very happy being a LInux moron.

23:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: I do think you need to re-login

23:22 <KathrynM> I've also discovered that McCol is not a generic Korean version of pepsi.

23:22 <KathrynM> It's some rice soda that just looks like cola.

23:22 <PovAddict> which would involve restarting X

23:22 <PovAddict> but...

23:22 <MTughan> You mean from the login screen?

23:22 <PovAddict> try "su mtughan"

23:22 <MTughan> Works...

23:23 <MTughan> Yep, all permissions work as expected.

23:23 <MTughan> So it is using a preexisting shell session then?

23:23 <PovAddict> when you open a console, you aren't logging in again

23:24 <MTughan> It did on Mac.

23:24 <MTughan> That is a Unix too though...

23:24 <PovAddict> group info etc is inherited from the parent process... parent process is the menu you used to start the console :) and that menu inherited that info from... whatever started it

23:25 <MTughan> One sec...

23:25 <MTughan> init[5] -> gnome-terminal -> bash

23:25 <PovAddict> then its parent died

23:26 <MTughan> Everything seems to be under one of two processes: kthreadd or init[5].

23:26 <Romulus> back in in the rain.

23:26 <PovAddict> init is in charge of all orphans

23:27 <PovAddict> strange, my process tree is more interesting than yours

23:28 <PovAddict> kdeinit -> sh compiz -> compiz.real -> sh -c compiz-decorator -> sh compiz-decorator -> emerald

23:37 <MTughan> Cool... So does stuff in /etc/init.d get started automatically?

23:39 <Didactylos> If it's enabled, yes.

23:39 <MTughan> If what is enabled?

23:39 <PovAddict> not really

23:39 <PovAddict> stuff in /etc/rc*.d/ is started automatically

23:39 <PovAddict> (which has symlinks into /etc/init.d files :P)

23:39 <KathrynM> damn it PovAddict, you beat me to it.

23:40 <KathrynM> on that note, I'll go back to work and watch the kids play outside :)

23:40 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

23:40 <MTughan> I have rc0-6.d. What do the numbers mean?

23:40 <PovAddict> runlevels

23:40 <MTughan> Or rather, rc(0-6).d

23:40 <PovAddict> runlevel 0: shutdown

23:40 <PovAddict> runlevel 6: reboot

23:41 <PovAddict> runlevel 1: maintenance / single-user mode

23:41 <PovAddict> 2-5 are the normal ones, I'm not sure if they differ any nowadays

23:41 <MTughan> I'll look it up... Thanks.

23:42 <MTughan> Looks like I want three...

23:43 <MTughan> 3 Multi-User Mode with Networking Starts the system normally.

23:43 <MTughan> 5 X11 As runlevel 3 + display manager.

23:43 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel

23:43 <Romulus> Title: Runlevel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

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23:44 <MTughan> Then in rc3.d, every link is preceded by K## or S##, where # is a digit. Know what those mean?

23:45 <PovAddict> digits are used for the order they get executed

23:45 <MTughan> Higher the digit, the farther back?

23:46 <PovAddict> see wp:init too

23:46 <MTughan> Huh?

23:46 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init

23:46 <Romulus> Title: init - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

23:47 <MTughan> I'm looking there.

23:51 <PovAddict> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting

23:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5dmf8> (at www.debian.org)

23:53 <MTughan> Ah, okay... I'll need both.

23:54 <MTughan> I would think.

23:57 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1016606

23:57 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Miscellany - post number 1016606 (at pastebin.ca)

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