IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-05-14

00:00 <MTughan> I made the mistake of restarting my modem.

00:00 <PovAddict> still connection refused btw (and yes I checked with your new IP)

00:01 <MTughan> Yeah, I know. I don't know how configurable this router is.

00:01 <MTughan> Because it's a modem/router all in one.

00:01 <MTughan> Why they ever made those, I don't know.

00:02 <MTughan> I am starting to upload though, so that's working.

00:02 <MTughan> &cad

00:02 <Romulus>

00:02 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:03 <Romulus>

00:03 <PovAddict> &urlunquote %61%68%36%73%62%65%68%71%6c%61%34%63%6f%5f%73%61%64

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: ah6sbehqla4co_sad

00:07 <PovAddict> whoa...

00:07 <PovAddict> obfuscated much?

00:07 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - arcgaming functions.php - post number 1017635 (at

00:08 <MTughan> Uh...

00:08 <PovAddict> I managed to figure out part of it

00:08 <PovAddict> the urldecode returns... what Romulus said

00:09 <PovAddict> then it selects some characters from that string and concatenates them, forming "base64_decode"

00:09 <PovAddict> and runs that function on the long string

00:09 <PovAddict> however, the result after base64decoding looks a bit like the original script...

00:09 <PovAddict> mixing Os and 0s to confuse variable names and *another* base64-encoded script

00:11 <MTughan> Wow...

00:11 <MTughan> That's beyond paranoia.

00:11 <MTughan> Heh... Fedora 9 includes startup sounds.

00:12 <PovAddict> maybe the idea is hiding the Trojan Inside

00:16 <MTughan> KathrynM: If you want actually, you can use the DVD or LiveCD method of installing. I'm going to try preupgrade next week, after my computer isn't needed so much for school. I need to be sure it's stable.

00:29 <PovAddict> ok, I unwrapped two levels of obfuscation

00:29 <PovAddict> and the script seems incomplete

00:49 <efc> beautiful

00:49 <efc> wonder if the (C) only applies to the scrambled version..

00:50 <PovAddict> lol

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01:14 <MTughan> Well, I found a bug in VMware Workstation 6.5 Beta.

01:15 <MTughan> More specifically, with the VMware tools for Linux.

01:15 <MTughan> One, not all of them compile properly with GCC 4.3. Second, it doesn't translate mouse coordinates properly.

01:23 <MTughan> PovAddict: I can't play any of the .ogv files.

01:23 <MTughan> VLC, MPlayer, KPlayer, Noatun. All fail.

01:24 <MTughan> Totem does no better.

01:25 <MTughan> But I've got to go to bed. I'll have to get your help tomorrow.

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02:34 <efc> hmm, wonder if we could run our house off horse manure methane..

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04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.0F / 12.8C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Scattered thunderstorms. Widespread showers this morning...then numerous showers. Highs in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 (1 more message)

04:13 <CoderForLife> &more

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent chance of showers. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. A slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 60s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

04:17 <efc> moo

04:17 <efc> &weather 31088

04:17 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 56F / 13C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. Light east winds.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs around 80. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 60s. Southeast (1 more message)

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04:21 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:21 <CoderForLife> hello clusty

04:21 * CoderForLife eats breakfast

04:23 * freelarry yawns and considers bed - nn efc, clusty, CoderForLife

04:23 <CoderForLife> cya freelarry

04:23 <efc> night/morning

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04:24 <clusty> CoderForLife, heya coder

04:24 <clusty> long time no hear

04:24 <CoderForLife> I'm in and out of here, just thought I'd shout this time

04:25 <clusty> :D

04:45 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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05:28 <CoderForLife7477> hmm  all my Internet connections just dropped at the same time

05:28 <CoderForLife7477> ack

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05:30 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:47 <xcamel> indeed...

05:53 * freelarry thinks spock is in the house - morning xcamel

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06:09 <CoderForLife> well - offen vit me to verkenland

06:09 <CoderForLife> later gaterz

06:34 <hawmps> cannon fodder >>

06:34 <hawmps> more cannon fodder >>

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09:44 * CoderForLife loads his cannon and fires away

09:45 <CoderForLife> thanks hawmps

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10:51 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

10:51 <Tank_Master> &more

10:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

10:51 <Tank_Master> &more

10:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

10:51 <Tank_Master> &more

10:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 57.9F / 14.4C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain in the morning...then partly sunny. Highs around 70. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clear. Lows 50 to 55. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - (1 more message)

10:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Sunny...warmer. Highs in the mid to upper 80s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

10:58 <hawmps> &wx 12020

10:58 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 66.0F / 18.9C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming south this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. South (1 more message)

10:58 <hawmps> &more

10:58 <Romulus> hawmps: winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

11:05 <hawmps> getting really nice out...

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12:47 <jackygrahamez> hi

12:48 <jackygrahamez> :-)

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12:51 <timo_> So PovAddict ^ ^, If I understood right, there's no way I can do without creating new key pairs?

12:51 <jackygrahamez> does trac have issues today?

12:51 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: since last night

12:52 <jackygrahamez> sweet

12:52 <jackygrahamez> (H)

12:52 <PovAddict> timo_: when did you generate the keys?

12:53 <timo_> well, some time ago - so they are definitely done with an older version of openssl

12:53 <yoyo[RKN]> re

12:53 <timo_> I already regenerated all the ssh keys

12:55 <PovAddict>

12:55 <Romulus> <> (at

12:55 <PovAddict> there's the date when the bug was introduced

12:55 <PovAddict> (eek! two years unpatched?!)

12:55 <Romulus> well, we know about it?

12:57 <jackygrahamez> I have a few questions about crypt_prog, Just so I understand the correct procedure, do you need to compile crypt_prog on the computer I'm generating the key? Or is it a binary I can just copy from my build and use it on another computer?

12:58 <timo_> It's dynamically linked, so it needs the libraries on the computer. I'd compile it on the machine it is used

12:59 <jackygrahamez> ok

12:59 <jackygrahamez> and can I disable client and server when I build?

13:00 <timo_> I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's built, when just building the libs - it's in the lib directory

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13:12 <jackygrahamez> One thing that confuses me, when you run update_version it generates a private signature file in the key directory. Is this a seperate signature from the one you generate with crypt_prog?

13:12 <jackygrahamez> Should that signature generated in update_versions be kept in the key directory?

13:13 <timo_> well it should only generate this signature automatically, when you store the private key on the server

13:13 <jackygrahamez> So that is a less secure configuration

13:13 <jackygrahamez> Not one they recomend?

13:14 <jackygrahamez> Since someone could hack into the server and end BOINC

13:14 <timo_> yep

13:14 <jackygrahamez> ok

13:14 <timo_> and the problem is now: when you use debian, you can guess the key

13:14 <timo_> which sucks

13:14 <wdsmia> asks timo_ to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

13:15 <timo_> ok, where exactly?

13:15 <jackygrahamez> timo watch your language :H

13:15 <jackygrahamez> (H)

13:15 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

13:15 <timo_> ok, sorry for that, will watch it from now on

13:19 <jackygrahamez> so when you update_version you upload the signature and take it off when you are done?

13:19 <Romulus> oh man! the stink that happened on all 3 platforms..

13:20 <jackygrahamez> I should probably hold off on my questions until trac is back

13:20 <timo_> normally you use crypt_prog and the private key on a disconnected machine and then only move the signature(s) to the server

13:20 <jackygrahamez> I see

13:20 <timo_> the automatic signature generation is mainly meant for test projects.

13:21 <jackygrahamez> I see

13:22 <jackygrahamez> so when you do update version and the signature is already there, it does not attempt to generate a private signature

13:22 <timo_> it should normally not generate a new private key afaik

13:22 <timo_> just signatures for the specified files.

13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> why ae you discussing coed signing things here, is it because of the openssl bug?

13:26 <jackygrahamez> I just want to be sure I'm following the right procedure...and trac is down

13:27 <timo_> Well I wanted to know if also boinc projects are affected and the answer seems to be yes.

13:27 <timo_> jackygrahamez

13:27 <Romulus> <> (at

13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> how many CASP wus are available, timo_?

13:30 <timo_> the problem is not, that there are not enough casp wus, the problem is, that because the users are departing the queue doesn't get emptied of the normal wus and nobody gets casp wus. I also wanted to write a big explanation about this on the forums and announce, that there will be a lot more. Now it seems, that my main concern should be to introduce secure private keys again.

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13:34 <yoyo[RKN]> a explanation just in the forum would be good

13:35 <PovAddict> I confirm: --disable-client --disable-server builds crypt_prog

13:35 <yoyo[RKN]> means the 15.000 redy to send wus are mainly not casp wus? You can cancel these wus.

13:36 <PovAddict> also, having signatures in the apps directory is not unsafe, it's how it works :) what is unsafe is having the private key in keys/ and letting update_versions generate the signature from it automatically

13:39 <jackygrahamez> I need a cheap computer, maybe my boss will let me take one home

13:40 <timo_> I will, I already stopped the generation of two master jobs - we did that with three jobs before casp, but the userbase has been dropping like a rock. Maybe we should have announced that the main CASP wus will begin by the end of may.

13:40 <PovAddict> heh, somebody on #debian had the bios date reset to 1999, somebody said it could be a y2k bug

13:40 <PovAddict> <Dewi> enouf: this is fantastic. First I wake up and some bastard has punched a hole in my private key and drained out all the entropy, and now I get the millennium bug in 2008

13:41 <PovAddict> <Dewi> this is all too depressing for words; I think I'd better go to bed :)

13:42 <jackygrahamez> :-p

13:43 <yoyo[RKN]> timo_ : you can also give the casp wus a higher priority and run the feeder with priority handling option

13:51 <timo_> I will maybe do that, once I finish the signing. I will be on again in a few minutes / hours

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13:53 * yoyo[RKN] would see the signing stuff as prio 2 ;)

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14:06 <jackygrahamez> is anyone having toruble getting source?

14:06 <Romulus> how do I need to start with?

14:09 <jackygrahamez> svn co ???

14:10 <PovAddict> I think you have one boinc too many there

14:11 <jackygrahamez> ah

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14:32 <jackygrahamez> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'

14:33 <jackygrahamez> svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': Chunk delimiter was invalid (

14:33 <Romulus> Title: BOINC (at

14:33 <Romulus> Not even on windows adn linux ?

14:34 <PovAddict> server might be having problems then

14:35 <PovAddict> who's in charge of cosmology@home?

14:36 <jackygrahamez> Well my VPS hosted in california could do it but locally I had trouble

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14:37 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

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14:51 <E-30> hey

14:53 <hawmps> 'lo

14:56 <E-30> how are you doing

14:57 <jackygrahamez> who me?

14:59 <E-30> huwmps

14:59 <E-30> lol

14:59 <E-30> and you i guess

14:59 <jackygrahamez> doing good

14:59 <yoyo[RKN]> wb E-30

14:59 <jackygrahamez> except I can't download source

15:00 <yoyo[RKN]> you are updating your boinc to frequently

15:00 <E-30> lol

15:00 <E-30> cool

15:01 <yoyo[RKN]> my boincserver runs with the source of September 2007

15:01 <jackygrahamez> just trying to get a local copy of crypt_prog

15:02 <E-30> well my quad is down till i get back to germany to fix it they had to move it and i am not letting them put it back togther wheni have it watter cooled

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15:50 <MTughan> &math convert [math calc [math convert 18 GiB to bytes] / (80 * 60)] bytes to KiB

15:50 <Romulus> MTughan: 3932.16

15:50 <MTughan> &math convert [math calc [math convert 18 GiB to bytes] / (80 * 60)] bytes to MiB

15:50 <Romulus> MTughan: 3.84

15:50 <MTughan> 3.84MB/s... Ow.

15:50 <PovAddict> 80 minutes?

15:50 <MTughan> About.

15:51 <PovAddict> &google calc 18GB / 80 minutes

15:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: (18 gigabytes) / (80 minutes) = 3.84 MBps

15:51 <MTughan> Oh...

15:51 <PovAddict> &google calc 18GB / 100MB/s

15:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: (18 GB) / (100 (MB / s)) = 3.07200 minutes

15:51 <Ageless93[Away]> Nicolas: Ben Wandelt is in charge of Cosmo

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15:51 <MTughan> What's that?

15:52 <PovAddict> how much it would take if it was going at 100MB/s

15:52 <PovAddict> quite useful to estimate download times :)

15:52 <MTughan> &google calc 18GB / 1.5gigabits/s

15:52 <PovAddict> how much I'd take to download 18GB

15:52 <Romulus> MTughan: (18 GB) / (1.5 (gigabits / s)) = 96 seconds

15:52 <PovAddict> &google calc 18GB / 120KB/s

15:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: (18 GB) / (120 (KB / s)) = 1.82044444 days

15:52 <MTughan> If both drives were working at their theoretical max.

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15:53 <MTughan> I don't know how fast it can write data to the platter though.

15:53 <MTughan> &google calc 18GB / 3igabits/s

15:53 <Romulus> MTughan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

15:54 <MTughan> &google calc 18GB / 3gigabits/s

15:54 <Romulus> MTughan: (18 GB) / (3 (gigabits / s)) = 48 seconds

15:54 <MTughan> Stupid overwrite key being so close to the Delete...

15:54 <MTughan> That's at SATA2 speeds.

16:24 <timo_> yoyo[RKN], the new keys are online

16:24 <timo_> Is everything working alright for you?

16:24 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> we are also getting lot of casp wus

16:25 <timo_> finally, thanks. I will now work a bit on that still, and then make an announcement.

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

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16:49 <quail> morning all

16:56 <xcamel> 'lo

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17:01 <quail> xcamel: how are you Jay?

17:08 <xcamel> better today than yesterday...

17:08 <xcamel> so pretty good...

17:14 <xcamel> (pollen and allergy overload)

17:14 <CoderForLife> g'evenin'

17:14 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

17:14 <CoderForLife> hi Jay

17:15 <xcamel> all kinds of sw and wf updates for my scanner(s)

17:15 <xcamel> thank you uniden...

17:16 <xcamel> now requiring registration keys and other nonesuch

17:17 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:17 <CoderForLife> how will you get the drop on law enforcement now?

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17:29 <KathrynM> woo hoo!

17:29 <KathrynM> Got my WCG issues worked out.

17:32 <CoderForLife> I'm glad you're getting at least some of your issues worked out

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17:33 <Ageless93> now it's "how do I not get lost on the BOINC forums".

17:34 * KathrynM bangs head on desk

17:34 <Ageless93> or "where shall I move this thread to?"

17:34 <KathrynM> What's with the noobs showing up all of a sudden?

17:34 <Ageless93> someone gave out free tickets

17:35 <KathrynM> lol

17:35 <CoderForLife> you probably still need to work on the head-banging issue

17:35 <KathrynM> I'm hoping today will be a good day at w@&^

17:35 <KathrynM> It's Teacher's Day.

17:35 <KathrynM> I've already got a couple gifts.

17:36 <Ageless93> I wish that thunderstorm would finally hit, makes me less tensed.

17:36 <CoderForLife> and that's some kind of cause for optimism?

17:36 <KathrynM> And nice stuff too.  Not the socks and hand towels I got at my last school.

17:36 <KathrynM> Dior face wash, a hand embroidered broach, and a rather expensive tube of blush.

17:37 <KathrynM> plus a tin of ginsing candy (which actually tastes like dirt)

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17:37 <CoderForLife> yum

17:37 <Ageless93> they didn't clean the dirt off when they cut up the roots? ;)

17:37 <KathrynM> I guess :)

17:37 <CoderForLife> sorta like sushi, only for roots

17:37 <Ageless93> maybe you have to wash it first, but you can't read the instructions

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17:39 * KathrynM heads back to bed for an hour or so

17:39 * Tank_Master heads to bed with KathrynM

17:39 <KathrynM> not in my bed

17:39 <Tank_Master> didnt way it was

17:40 <Tank_Master> say*

17:40 <KathrynM> lol

17:40 <KathrynM> laterz all

17:40 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

17:40 <PovAddict> did the wiki blow up?

17:40 <Tank_Master> besides, you didnt way you were heading to your bed either

17:40 <Tank_Master> say*

17:40 <KathrynM> problems with the s key Tank_Master?

17:42 <PovAddict> omg

17:43 <Tank_Master> apparently

17:43 <PovAddict> I think the linux-manager-not-starting-client bug was just fixed, and it was such a silly mistake

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17:44 <xcamel> details?

17:45 <Romulus> I have a wireless access point?

17:48 <PovAddict> manager starting client with -launched_by_manager -redirectio and maybe also -insecure

17:48 <Tank_Master> no, rommie, you dont have any point at all

17:48 <PovAddict> ...which made the core client give an argument parsing warning, print out the argument help, and quit

17:48 <PovAddict> should be: --launched_by_manager --redirectio and maybe also --insecure

17:52 <xcamel> pesky dashes...

17:53 <xcamel> looked like the seti screensaver locked up on wu finish on the macbook

17:53 <xcamel> I wonder if it was really a bug or not...

17:57 <MTughan> Wow... Anyone ever heard of nano taking more memory than X?

17:57 <xcamel> eh?

17:57 <PovAddict> yes, it's called either "what you get when loading 100MB files" or "memory leak"

17:58 <MTughan> How about an 8.2GB file?

17:58 <xcamel> nano goes "black hole" ... film at 11...

17:58 <PovAddict> o_O

17:58 <PovAddict> 8.2GB file in a normal text editor? lol

17:58 <MTughan> I want to read just the first line or so, but I don't know how to...

17:58 <MTughan> Process killed.

17:58 <PovAddict> head?

17:59 <MTughan> head? Makes sense, with a tail...

17:59 <PovAddict> "less" is good at not loading the whole thing in memory too

17:59 <xcamel>

17:59 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 May 14 - A Supply Ship Docks with the International Space Station (at

17:59 <xcamel> nice shot..

17:59 <xcamel> looks "high def"

18:00 <PovAddict> ~3000x2000

18:00 <MTughan> Okay... Know what connectix is?

18:01 <PovAddict> nope

18:01 <MTughan> Thought I saw it in the first line of the file, I had.

18:01 <MTughan> It's a vhd file, seems to be a backup of sorts.

18:02 <MTughan> Connectix seems to be an old company.

18:02 <PovAddict> vhd?

18:03 <PovAddict> sounds like Virtual Hard Disk (from VMware virtual machines)

18:03 <MTughan> VHD seems to be a virtual hard disk for Virtual PC, which was once made by Connectix.

18:03 <MTughan> I know I never ran Virtual PC though...

18:03 <PovAddict> doesn't VMware use the same extension?

18:03 <MTughan> Checking.

18:04 <MTughan> vmx.

18:04 <PovAddict> how big is the vmx?

18:04 <MTughan> The vmx or the vhd?

18:04 <MTughan> Actually... Their hard drive is vmdk.

18:04 <PovAddict> IIRC, VMware's vmx is a tiny file describing the virtual machine, and there is *also* another file with the disk

18:04 <PovAddict> ah! vmdk, right

18:05 <PovAddict> vhd is definitely from VirtualPC then

18:05 <MTughan> file says data for the VHD.

18:05 <MTughan> Except I've never run Virtual PC...

18:05 <PovAddict> what's the filename?

18:05 <MTughan> It's a Vista backup from my Mac, judging from the folder hierarchy.

18:06 <MTughan> Hexadecimal. :P 6cc656ca-7c6a-11db-8a6c-806e6f6e6963.vhd

18:07 <MTughan> Rest of the files in the dir are XML files.

18:08 <MTughan> BTW, the APOD is 3032x2064 pixels.

18:10 <MTughan> Well, I think I have all I need. Not gonna clutter with more than likely defunct backups.

18:11 <CoderForLife> smart kid

18:11 <Romulus> <> (at

18:14 <PovAddict> o.0

18:18 <CoderForLife> a PovAddict wannabe

18:18 <PovAddict> yeah right

18:24 <quail> &wx ypad

18:24 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:30 AM CST; Clear. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Rain. Low:46 F. / 8 C.;

18:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: Not sure if you saw last night, but I can't seem to play the KDE 4.0 Alpha videos.

18:26 <PovAddict> hmm

18:26 * PovAddict installs vlc

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18:28 <PovAddict> oh dear god, another ssh update

18:28 <MTughan> That story could've been me... I've always grasped math intuitively.

18:28 <PovAddict> what did they break this time?

18:28 <MTughan> And have always felt held back. I need to keep answers to myself when my classmates figure them out 5 minutes later.

18:29 <quail> PovAddict: reason for the update is cause of predictable key generation

18:29 <MTughan> But too late now... Gotta figure out what's with OGV files.

18:30 <PovAddict> quail: I already did two upgrades to this and just got yet another

18:30 <PovAddict> I updated for the predictable key generation last night...

18:31 <quail> PovAddict: what OS?

18:31 <PovAddict> kubuntu

18:31 <timo_> mmmh... so the keys generated last night with the new algorithm are also bad?

18:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: works for me on vlc

18:31 <PovAddict> timo_: I don't think so

18:31 <MTughan> Oh, a nice feature in Fedora 9: Package Manager here reqs the root passwd for even starting up. New one in F9 only reqs for installation.

18:31 <quail> ok I have not had to worry about it with debian testing

18:32 <PovAddict> timo_: I don't have ssh server on this machine; and libssl was *not* just upgraded, just openssh-client and the key blacklist

18:32 <MTughan> From VLC: "Unable to open 'file:///home/mtughan/Desktop/movies%20KDE%2041alpha1/1-plasma.ogv'"

18:32 <MTughan> Rather generic actually...

18:32 <timo_> PovAddict, ah, alright - thx

18:32 <MTughan> Permissions are 0664 for mtughan:mtughan.

18:33 <quail> PovAddict: do you have the program 'ssh-vulnkey'

18:33 <PovAddict> timo_:

18:33 <Romulus> <> (at

18:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: What version of VLC?

18:33 <PovAddict> quail: I do

18:34 <MTughan> 0.8.6f here.

18:34 <PovAddict> quail: but I don't even have any key to check; I don't have ssh server here

18:34 <PovAddict> MTughan: 0.8.6e

18:34 <quail> PovAddict: is it in the 'openssh-client' package?

18:34 <Romulus> Fair thee well, Mr. Heston

18:34 <PovAddict> quail: no, I think it's a separate package; lemme check

18:34 <MTughan> I'll wait until this is done to continue...

18:35 <PovAddict> quail: yes it's in that package

18:35 <PovAddict> i think you need openssl-blacklist too

18:36 <quail> dpkg -S ssh-vulnkey

18:36 <quail> dpkg: *ssh-vulnkey* not found.

18:36 <PovAddict> dpkg -S ssh-vulnkey

18:36 <PovAddict> openssh-client: /usr/bin/ssh-vulnkey

18:36 <PovAddict> openssh-client: /usr/share/man/man1/ssh-vulnkey.1.gz

18:37 <quail> PovAddict: debian testing does not seem to have it for some unkown reason

18:37 <PovAddict> see if there is any new *-blacklist package

18:38 <quail> dpkg -S *-blacklist

18:38 <quail> alsa-base: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist

18:38 <PovAddict> apt-cache search blacklist

18:39 <quail> openssh-blacklist - list of blacklisted OpenSSH RSA and DSA keys

18:39 <PovAddict> there you go

18:39 <quail> ssh-vulnkey not in that package tho

18:40 <PovAddict> use the perl script

18:40 <PovAddict> hold on getting link

18:40 <PovAddict>

18:41 <Romulus> <> (at

18:41 <quail> 4.6MB wow

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18:42 <PovAddict> well it has a big list of crypto data that it checks

18:42 <PovAddict> (database inside the script itself)

18:43 <quail> ok

18:43 <PovAddict> and it's like 262414 keys :P

18:46 <MTughan> Dinner, but it is a problem with VLC here. "main error: no suitable access module for `/home/mtughan/Desktop/movies KDE 41alpha1/1-plasma.ogv'"

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18:53 * quail might just regenerate my keys just to be on the safe side

18:56 * CoderForLife makes a backup copy of the database before applying test deletes

18:57 <quail> CoderForLife: howdy Don, how are you?

18:57 <CoderForLife> I know... I know... real Coders apply transactions against production databases without testing....

18:58 <CoderForLife> I hope the the Coders union will let this one slide by....

18:59 <quail> hehe

18:59 <CoderForLife> by golly, I like MySQL

18:59 <Romulus> wow I just looked and yeah, I'm trying to rent from... do you mean jailbreak ?

19:05 * CoderForLife generates 75,000 SQL DELETE statements

19:10 <CoderForLife> 75,099 to be exact

19:10 <CoderForLife> and I *need* to be exact

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19:19 <xcamel> back again

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19:21 <quail> xcamel: wb

19:21 <efc> moo

19:30 <CoderForLife> howdy efc

19:30 <CoderForLife> solved the gasoline crisis yet?

19:31 <efc> No, but I have made an important contribution to computer science

19:31 <CoderForLife> gasoline went to $4.00 a gallon this morning

19:31 <efc> A new operator similar to the increment and decrement operators

19:31 <efc> I call it the excrement operator

19:31 <efc> It expresses what I want to do all over the code at work

19:31 <CoderForLife> what's it do-do?

19:31 <Romulus> tricaric any ideas on that one liner to compile with Visual Studio...

19:32 <efc> I could really even give up on the methane

19:32 <quail> howdy efc and all

19:32 <efc> Solar driven water splitting would be dandy

19:32 <efc> thats where the turpentine comes in

19:32 <CoderForLife> what does the excrement operator do-do?

19:33 <efc> I don't know, I will figure that out later

19:33 * CoderForLife tries his joke again...

19:33 <efc> Core dump ?

19:33 <CoderForLife> lol

19:33 <CoderForLife> good come-back

19:34 * CoderForLife notes that it takes awhile to generate 75,099 SQL statements

19:36 <efc> I need a polar, light absorbing, cheap molecule

19:36 <efc> preferably non-toxic

19:36 <CoderForLife> H2O

19:37 <efc> its not light-absorbing

19:37 <efc> thats why I need some special sauce

19:37 <CoderForLife> frozen H2O

19:38 <efc> Maybe food coloring

19:38 <CoderForLife> Federal Red #4

19:39 <CoderForLife> my favorite cancer-causing chemical

19:39 <efc> Would you like that carcinigous or extra-carcinigous?

19:40 <CoderForLife> with a heaping helping of Federal Yellow #3, please

19:41 * CoderForLife looks at his can of Welch's grape soda

19:41 <CoderForLife> looks like I'm particularly partial to "Red 40" and "Blue 1"

19:42 <CoderForLife> I wonder is that's in picocuries per ounce

19:42 <CoderForLife> if*

19:45 <efc> I got some awesome barbeque sauce

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19:58 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

20:02 <KathrynM> Time to shower off the stink.

20:02 <KathrynM> Then to w7@^

20:03 <KathrynM> Hopefully there will be lots of gifts awaiting me :)

20:05 <PovAddict> LOL "Perl: the Swiss Army Chainsaw of Programming Languages"

20:05 <PovAddict> why stop at "knife" :P

20:05 <MTughan> Perl: The Legalese of programming.

20:06 <MTughan> Hold on, looking up where I read that.

20:06 <PovAddict> "The Duct Tape of the Internet"

20:06 <MTughan> Just waiting for DNS...

20:09 <efc> PovAddict: But without the Excrement operator, can it compete?

20:09 <CoderForLife> I've been doing a bit of AWK and Perl the last couple of days

20:10 <PovAddict> efc: there must be a cpan package for that

20:10 <PovAddict> after all, there is one to add COMEFROM support to Perl, IIRC

20:10 <CoderForLife> there's even a Klingon Perl package

20:10 <MTughan> Well, I think it was a strip, but I can't seem to find it.

20:11 <CoderForLife> Maltz - choi chu

20:11 <CoderForLife> beam me up for tonight

20:12 <CoderForLife> I'll see you folks on the flip side of the planet

20:12 * CoderForLife disappears in a sparkly thing

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20:14 <MTughan> Here it is!

20:14 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:16 <jackygrahamez_> hi

20:16 <KathrynM> hey jack

20:17 <jackygrahamez_> Hi Kathryn :-)

20:17 <jackygrahamez_> jee wiz

20:18 <jackygrahamez_> anyone having issues with the boinc svn?

20:18 <MTughan> Haven't tried recently.

20:18 <jackygrahamez_> all day

20:21 <jackygrahamez_> :'(

20:21 <jackygrahamez_> I can't get source

20:23 <CoderForLife> A day without source Code is like a day without sunshine

20:23 * CoderForLife gone again

20:24 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:36 <efc> its like a day without cyanide

20:37 <jackygrahamez_> does cyanide grow on trees?

20:40 <efc> In small quantities, yes

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20:57 <xcamel> peach pits, cherry stones, wilted cherry leaves...

20:58 <xcamel> A day without sunshine is like - Dark.

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21:47 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

21:47 <xcamel> LTNTT...

21:59 <xcamel> nytol..

22:01 <Soul_keeper> the most usefull thing about perl is system();

22:03 <Soul_keeper> C/C++ is much easier to code in

22:04 <Soul_keeper> most things are much easier to do with bash via system(); then to try to learn the perl syntax for the crap

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22:30 <MTughan> Forgot to restart XChat after X crash...

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22:35 <E-30> hey

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22:36 <MTughan> That was quick...

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22:58 <quail> afternoon all

23:00 <Soul_keeper> yo

23:05 <quail> how are things Soul_keeper ?

23:08 <Soul_keeper> good

23:09 <Soul_keeper> what city you in quail ?

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