IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-05-15

00:04 <quail> Soul_keeper: Adelaide

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00:35 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'd have to google that one

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03:19 <desti>

03:19 <Romulus> <> (at

03:19 <Romulus> woop just found a blood clot anywhere

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05:00 * CoderForLife wakes up

05:00 <CoderForLife> morning

05:01 <CoderForLife> how was T-Day, KathrynM?

05:01 <KathrynM> awesome

05:01 <CoderForLife> excellent

05:01 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.5F / 14.2C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Isolated showers early this afternoon. Numerous showers late. Highs in the mid 60s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Numerous showers. Lows in the upper 40s. Northeast winds around 10 (1 more message)

05:01 <CoderForLife> &more

05:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

05:02 <efc> &weather 31088

05:02 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 63F / 17C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning... then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Highs around 80. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and (1 more message)

05:02 <CoderForLife> morning efc

05:02 <efc> moo

05:02 <CoderForLife> my civil engineer and a buddy are coming tomorrow morning

05:03 <CoderForLife> they're going to get some elevations to be able to complete the wall design

05:03 <efc> Sounds expensive

05:04 <CoderForLife> 'fraid so

05:04 <CoderForLife> but I only want to do this once - I told him I want the "minimum, acceptable, permanent solution"

05:06 <efc> retaining wall?

05:06 <CoderForLife> yes

05:07 <efc> Gotta sleep a little, good luck

05:07 <CoderForLife> thx tc

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05:08 <CoderForLife> plink

05:08 <CoderForLife> plink

05:08 <CoderForLife> plink

05:12 <CoderForLife> brb with breakfast

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05:19 <CoderForLife> b

05:25 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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06:07 <CoderForLife> I'm off to see the w@#%zard

06:07 <CoderForLife> laterz

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08:50 <E-30> hi is anyone home lol

08:54 <wdsmia_w> Most are at W@#$

09:00 <KathrynM> old P4 retired :(

09:00 <E-30> waa no fun then

09:01 <E-30> waa thats not good there go a dent in rac

09:02 <KathrynM> not really.

09:02 <KathrynM> It was limping along.

09:02 <Romulus> Or (my favourite method, now) link dynamically to curl, and you don't have or something?

09:02 <KathrynM> running about about half speed

09:02 <E-30> oh

09:02 <E-30> lol

09:03 <KathrynM> Old P4 laptop.  What my brother was thinking when he had it custom build is beyond me.  Who the heck puts a P4 desktop chip in a laptop.

09:03 <KathrynM> Battery life was seriously down to about 3 minutes.

09:04 <E-30> lol funny lol

09:04 <E-30> wow

09:04 <KathrynM> power connecter into the mobo worked itself loose.

09:04 <E-30> i wouls not even try that

09:04 <KathrynM> It was funny to watch it bounching back and forth between ac and battery

09:05 <E-30> lol

09:05 <KathrynM> finished off the last E@H and packed it away.

09:05 <KathrynM> Maybe I'll get an external enclosure for the HD.

09:05 <E-30> may be goodwho know how big is it

09:05 <KathrynM> 40 Gig maybe

09:06 <KathrynM> I don't realy need it.  I have an 80 Gig backup drive.

09:06 <KathrynM> That I just plugged into the power converter.

09:06 <E-30> then dont worry about it then

09:06 <KathrynM> Now I don't have an excuse for figuring out rsync :)

09:06 <E-30> my last labtop had the cpu fand ago and ggot cut in half

09:07 <E-30> lol true

09:07 <KathrynM> ouch

09:07 <E-30> had to try out my new big knife it went throuth it like butter yea it was sharp

09:07 <E-30> iraq dust killled it

09:08 <KathrynM> :(

09:08 <E-30> so i had to give it a just after life becut it went to war with me and made it back

09:08 <KathrynM> trur

09:09 <KathrynM> errrrrrr

09:09 <KathrynM> true

09:09 <E-30> well time to go sharen the big knife now it 27 in's long

09:09 <E-30> lol

09:09 <KathrynM> whhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa  Facebook is down for maitence

09:09 <KathrynM> I'm heading to bed.  I'm going to finish watching Nova.

09:10 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

09:10 <E-30> lol

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09:33 <ELGono> any debian users here?

09:33 <Romulus> <> (at

09:33 <Romulus> and you aren't the only one p

09:34 <ELGono> all etch systems are affected

09:34 <ELGono> openssl generating predictive keys

09:35 <ELGono> having effect on ssh-host & user keys, https-certificates, openvpn and all software using openssl for asymetric crypt

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09:51 <hawmps> 'mornin

09:51 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

09:51 <Romulus> like OOo Impress as soon as installed the new troubleshooting page so it doesn't seem to make all run the same RNG seed.

09:53 <ELGono> lo jay

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10:03 <hawmps> odd... on OSX app for LHC??

10:05 <hawmps> guess not.. that sucks

10:05 <wdsmia> asks hawmps to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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10:27 <PovAddict> hawmps: nope, there has never been

10:28 <PovAddict> there is *still* no good fortran compiler for Mac (that can correctly compile their app)

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11:42 <hawmps> bsd on intel would work...

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12:21 <PovAddict> well, the "there is no compiler" excuse was given before Intel macs were released

12:21 <PovAddict> but lately LHC admins don't show up at all

12:21 <PovAddict> the server could be on fire and they wouldn't notice

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12:41 <yoyo[RKN]> re

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13:12 <hawmps> heh - yeah, probably...

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13:57 <Ageless93> I see someone is doing bad things to Seti again. or they just disabled the forums.

13:57 <Ageless93> Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 2013Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111

14:07 <hawmps> servers on fire... nobody noticed...

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15:42 <jackygrahamez> so I guess I'm the only one still having issues with the Trunk?

15:57 <PovAddict> with compiling the code or with downloading ?

15:57 <PovAddict> "having problems with the trunk" is about as ambiguous as you can get

15:57 <PovAddict> (well, "having problems" would be more :D)

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16:00 <xcamel> 'lo

16:00 <xcamel> ip kill >>

16:00 <jackygrahamez> ah just downloading it. I was talking about this problem yesterday

16:01 <jackygrahamez> David thinks I'm having network issues...but I had it at home and work...

16:02 <jackygrahamez> I've also tried branches

16:03 <jackygrahamez> I could get the source from a server hosted in northern california though :-)

16:03 <jackygrahamez> Maybe the electrons get tired when they go too far

16:04 <jackygrahamez> :-S

16:06 <xcamel> something like that..

16:06 <PovAddict> try getting it over https

16:06 <PovAddict> some proxies really dislike the extended HTTP methods used for SVN

16:07 <PovAddict> if you use HTTPS, the proxy can't even see what you're transferring (since it's encrypted) so it can't mess up with it either

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16:07 <PovAddict> omg it's mweltin

16:07 <mweltin> HEY EVERYBODY!

16:07 <mweltin> I'm back in action

16:07 * PovAddict presses mweltin's capslock key

16:07 <PovAddict> _o/

16:07 <mweltin> had to take a break and make some money.

16:08 <mweltin> the caps were that I'm just glad to be back.

16:08 * FreeLarry58 wonders what money is?

16:08 <FreeLarry58> Oh look! 2 pennies - i guss i can rub them together and make a fire

16:09 <FreeLarry58> ;) how is every one on this hot clear day?

16:09 <mweltin> dont' hurt yourself FreeLarry58

16:09 <FreeLarry58> lol - ben there and still recovering

16:10 <FreeLarry58> down to a quarteer brain cell for functioning

16:10 <mweltin> well you are up a 1/8  of a cell from me.

16:11 <FreeLarry58> lol only cause i doesn't drink

16:11 * FreeLarry58 wondeers what to wear for w*- today

16:11 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

16:12 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 64.2F / 17.9C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9.6mph / 15.4km/h ; Today - Low clouds and patchy fog early...then sunny. Highs in the upper 60s and 70s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower to mid 50s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Warmer...sunny. Highs 80 to 90. North wind (1 more message)

16:12 <FreeLarry58> &more

16:12 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: around 10 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Kitsap County in effect until 3:45 PM PDT on May 15, 2008;

16:12 <FreeLarry58> humm long pants still good today but shorts tommorow

16:13 * FreeLarry58 wonders why all the ghosts ran away at that statement?

16:14 <FreeLarry58> tca - gots to get ready for commute

16:15 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

16:15 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

16:15 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 80.6F / 27.0C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Rain likely late this evening...then rain after midnight. Rain may be heavy at times after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Friday - Rain in the (2 more messages)

16:15 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 71.7F / 22.1C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny. High around 70. East wind around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy then becoming mostly cloudy after midnight then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. East wind near 5 mph shifting to the west after (1 more message)

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16:15 <wdsmia_w> &more

16:15 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: midnight.; Friday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 70s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

16:15 <jackygrahamez> I got a softball game tonight

16:16 <jackygrahamez> I should be good

16:18 <jackygrahamez> svn: Can't move 'boinc/locale/client/ko_KR/.svn/tmp/entries' to 'boinc/locale/client/ko_KR/.svn/entries': Permission denied

16:18 <jackygrahamez> That's what she is telling me when I use https ;(

16:19 <jackygrahamez> ah but it works on the VM!!!

16:19 <PovAddict> hmm those aren't network problems at all

16:19 <PovAddict> you sure all your svn accesses were done from the same user?

16:20 <jackygrahamez> oh now this is new to me

16:20 <jackygrahamez> I just used

16:20 <jackygrahamez> svn co

16:20 <Romulus> Title: Revision 15226: /trunk/boinc (at

16:21 <PovAddict> yeah, logged in as the same user all the times?

16:21 <PovAddict> I mean users on your machine, not SVN users or anything

16:21 <PovAddict> if you downloaded once as root and another attempt as a normal user => permission problems

16:22 <Romulus> you set up servers.

16:23 <jackygrahamez> In windows I can use either tortoise or cygwin. I've had no problem in the past.

16:23 <PovAddict> well in Windows you usually don't have to worry about which user you're logged in as :)

16:23 <jackygrahamez> Here I had sucess as root using Centos VM when I used your suggestion https

16:27 <quail> morning all

16:27 <quail> &wx ypad

16:27 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 5:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

16:32 <PovAddict> msnbot is agressive...

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16:40 <quail> PovAddict: yeah and it a pita to reject from your site as it ignores the robots.txt file, and the msnbots runs on a lot of diff IP addresses too :-/

16:41 <PovAddict> quail: I just found something worse in the documentation

16:41 <PovAddict> the idiots translated the robots.txt examples

16:41 <PovAddict> the documentation showed in Spanish by default, which isn't really a bad thing

16:41 <PovAddict> but what kind of idiot translates the *code* too?

16:41 <PovAddict> I wonder if they translate "if" and "for" and "int" and "main" on translated programming manuals too?

16:41 <PovAddict> not like their bot will recognize both User-Agent and Usuario-agente in robots.txt

16:42 <quail> oh

16:42 <xcamel> 'lo Q

16:43 <quail> howdy Jay

16:44 <quail> PovAddict: the best way I can say to blocking msnbot is via IP address

16:44 <PovAddict> it seems to try reading robots.txt at least

16:45 <quail> PovAddict: but msnbot just ignores it tho

16:45 <quail> you tell it to go away but it still goes through your site

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16:47 <quail> PovAddict: when I fire up my server I will give you the IP address I collected for msnbot, it ~12 diff IP addresses

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16:54 <CoderForLife> hello

16:54 <CoderForLife> raining

16:55 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.8F / 14.9C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.6mph / 1.0km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain (1 more message)

16:55 <Romulus> so I could not lock /var/cache/apt/archives lock - open

16:55 <CoderForLife> &more

16:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 40 percent.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

16:55 <wdsmia_w> *lo Don, Bye Don... time to head home

16:55 <CoderForLife> safe travels

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17:01 <quail> CoderForLife: morning Don :-)

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17:02 <CoderForLife> hello Dale

17:02 <sethy> 'lo

17:02 <CoderForLife> hi sethy

17:02 <sethy> hi Dale & Don

17:03 <xcamel> yea! got strikestar working and screenshots uploading (but no storms in the area)

17:03 <xcamel> 'lo sethy

17:03 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:03 <sethy> hey jay

17:04 <quail> hi sethy

17:06 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:06 <xcamel> bottom of - hopefully, it updates every 3 min

17:09 <CoderForLife> wow - nice overview

17:10 <xcamel> my max range is around 350 miles, so I should zoom it in a bit..

17:10 <CoderForLife> yeah - at the range you show, I could use it for me

17:12 <xcamel> some strong positive hits show up at that distance...

17:12 * CoderForLife has negative thoughts about positive hits

17:13 <xcamel> they're the ones that "blow stuff up"

17:18 <quail> now what was I doing before having to go for biology

17:21 <PovAddict> nothing interesting going on wrt storms now

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17:23 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:24 <CoderForLife> wb wdsmia

17:25 <quail> morning Doug

17:25 <wdsmia> *lo quail

17:31 <CoderForLife>

17:31 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:41 <xcamel> back from din-din

17:48 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel desti KathrynM

17:48 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

17:48 <KathrynM> TGIF

17:48 <xcamel> 'lo K

17:48 <CoderForLife> yup

17:48 <xcamel> lol - not yet...

17:49 <xcamel> close though..

17:49 <CoderForLife> I'll be w@#%ing at home tomorrow

17:49 <CoderForLife> the civil engineer is supposed to come, and get some elevation readings

17:49 <xcamel> not I, said the w@&kaholic..

17:50 <CoderForLife> I need to be here to make sure he doesn't walk away with questions, and take yet another week to make progress on the plan

17:50 <xcamel> sweet:

17:50 <xcamel>

17:50 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 May 15 - Sideways Galaxy NGC 3628 (at

17:51 <CoderForLife> ah, very nice - now that's a keeper...

17:51 <CoderForLife> not so sweet:

17:51 <Romulus> <> (at

17:54 <xcamel> so little is being said about the 3G dam - which was less than 450 miles away

17:55 <xcamel> no way that escaped any damage

17:56 <xcamel> especially if any of the mountain dams give way..

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18:03 <CoderForLife> I didn't realize that Three Gorges was in the area

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18:23 <CoderForLife> maybe not for long - One Big Ugly Gorge

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18:40 <quail> anyone trying to get the closed source NVidia drivers to work under the 2.6.25 kernel might be interested in this post >>>

18:40 <Romulus> <> (at

18:49 <CoderForLife> nuf 4 me 4 2 nite

18:49 <CoderForLife> I'm going to take the night off

18:49 <CoderForLife> cya

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18:59 * wdsmia needs a bigger mower

19:16 <xcamel> or a smaller lawn

19:16 <wdsmia> or shorter grass

19:19 <wdsmia> need to put Gregor on a diet... He has over fertilized the back yard

19:19 <Romulus> I tried to force it to the kitchen and grab some E@H to look into it and it was original =)

19:29 <xcamel> looks like I'm back in the swl business...

19:30 <xcamel> now I can officially be a "doddering old fart holed up in the radio shack"

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19:39 <wdsmia> you were unofficial before?

19:46 <wdsmia> well time to walk the idiot  bbiab

19:53 <xcamel> a dog, I hope..

20:08 <wdsmia> lol

20:09 <wdsmia> the question I alway wonder is who is walking who

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20:31 <xcamel> off to entertain the crumb-crunchers

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21:15 <xcamel> fun like a root canal..

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21:22 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

21:23 <efc> Hey

21:25 <wdsmia> *lo Ed

21:26 <xcamel> hooked up to strikestar now...

21:28 <efc> Awesome, which number are you?

21:34 <efc> I can't even identify the little states up there

21:35 <xcamel> hmmm... number... ... nope...

21:36 <xcamel> location "GAL"

21:37 <xcamel> slightly north and east of center on the NE strikemap

21:37 <efc> Don't think you're on my screen yet

21:39 <efc> One doesn't have a label, maybe that's you

21:39 <Romulus> slaps xcamel around with a particular validator?

21:40 <efc> next to VSF

21:41 <efc> Maybe I'll get on someday.. biggest problem is having a persistent 'net connection out in the wilderness

21:42 <efc> There's a location JAY, you got sniped

21:45 <xcamel> lol

21:46 <xcamel> anyone remember the java plugin link for firefox (which lib needs to be linked?)

21:53 <xcamel> ah.. got it..

21:59 <xcamel> laterz..

21:59 <MTughan> Bye.

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23:03 <ec_> hi

23:03 <ec_> i have a question regarding bam

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23:05 <ec_> i've attached the boinc client to bam, but i wanted to add new projects.....will the new projects need to be added individually or will the new projects need to be updated automatically?

23:05 <Romulus> Yeah, they label it Ubuntu for the lesson.

23:05 <PovAddict> well, projects must be added through BAM

23:06 <ec_> ok....the new projects have been added through my bam account already

23:08 <ec_> originally the only project i have going is seti@home and the information was entered uding the account manager in the boinc client

23:09 <PovAddict> <- do you see SETI@Home listed there?

23:09 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats/BAM! | Project list (at

23:10 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:52:33)

23:11 <ec_> set@home is listed on that page, povaddict

23:12 <ec_> the new project i added is listed there as well....

23:12 <PovAddict> and both projects are attached on your client now?

23:12 <ec_> but the new project is not listed in the boinc projects area....only seit@home is

23:13 <PovAddict> <- do you see your computer there?

23:13 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats/BAM! | Host list (at

23:15 <PovAddict> if you see it there, click on it, and it should have a list of projects with an attach checkbox next to each

23:18 <ec_> ok...i see the host....but the new project is not checked under the 'attach?' section....i'll check the box now...

23:20 <ec_> what should the resource share be for both projects/

23:20 <ec_> ?

23:21 <PovAddict> that's your choice :)

23:21 <PovAddict> if they are the same, then you contribute 50% to each

23:24 <ec_> ok

23:24 <ec_> but the other project still doesn't show up on the project on the boinc client

23:24 <ec_> even though is shows attached under the host list

23:25 <PovAddict> go to Tools menu on the manager

23:25 <PovAddict> and click synchronize with BAM

23:25 <PovAddict> or whatever it's called

23:25 <PovAddict> (I'm not attached to BAM here so I can't check the exact menu name)

23:26 <ec_> ok

23:26 <ec_> it's workng

23:26 <ec_> thanks, povaddict

23:27 <ec_> thanks for the help

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