IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-05-16

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00:30 <d00m1001> Is anyone here

00:31 <MTughan> Yep.

00:31 <d00m1001> 1st question.

00:31 <d00m1001> Anyone know how long LHC has been delayed?

00:31 <MTughan> What do you mean by delayed?

00:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: the collider, not the BOINC project

00:31 <MTughan> Ah...

00:31 <PovAddict> building the collider has already been delayed again and again...

00:32 <MTughan> I know.

00:32 <PovAddict> LHC Home Premium coming soon?

00:32 <PovAddict> (Vista)

00:33 <d00m1001> Yeah

00:33 <d00m1001> not the BOINC project

00:33 <d00m1001> But, apparently

00:33 <d00m1001> The collider was supposed to be activated yesterday?

00:33 <d00m1001> Thanks to some in-accurate countdown

00:33 <MTughan> Latest in Wikipedia still says May 2008.

00:34 <PovAddict> "The first beams are due for injection mid June 2008 with the first collisions planned to take place 2 months later."

00:34 <d00m1001> Yeah but, they haven't even turned it on yet :(

00:35 <d00m1001> I want an apocolypse NOW!

00:35 <PovAddict> lol

00:36 <MTughan> PovAddict: Where'd you find that?

00:36 <PovAddict> wikipedia, 2nd paragraph

00:37 <MTughan> Oh, missed that...

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02:43 <quail> lmao >>>

02:47 <efc> zzz

02:48 <efc> hehe good ones

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03:53 <CoderForLife> brb  IM upgrade

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03:53 <Romulus> see - it's a tad bit early for a 2h drive distance

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03:55 <CoderForLife> &ping

03:55 <Romulus> pong

03:55 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 50.5F / 10.3C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5.1mph / 8.2km/h ; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning. Highs in the mid 60s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 (1 more message)

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03:55 <CoderForLife> &more

03:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 12:53 AM EDT on May 17, 2008;

04:05 <CoderForLife> brb  -  need some breakfast

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04:33 <efc> &weather 31088

04:33 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 70F / 21C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. West winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows (1 more message)

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04:35 <efc> "Black Holes Don't Trap Information Forever"

04:36 <efc> I guess the white house will need to find a new email filing system then

04:36 <Romulus> All the other dozen protein-related projects?"

04:38 <CoderForLife> hello efc

04:39 <CoderForLife> yeabut - would you recognize your information when it came out of the black hole?

04:40 <efc> Lossles, Virtual Information

04:52 <efc> Let The Sun Shine In

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05:18 <CoderForLife> Need More Beverage - brb

05:45 <xcamel> ip kill >>

05:47 <CoderForLife> thx

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05:48 <CoderForLife> here's one in exchange:

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05:56 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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06:59 <hawmps> evenin on your end..

07:00 <KathrynM>   hola :)

07:06 <CoderForLife> back

07:06 <CoderForLife> morning folks

07:21 <hawmps> mornin

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08:40 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:40 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 52.7F / 11.5C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 70s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 50s. West wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 70s. Northwest (1 more message)

08:40 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:40 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.;

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08:49 <hawmps> 'lo BK

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09:45 <clusty> KathrynM, there?

09:46 <KathrynM> yeah

09:46 <KathrynM> what's up?

09:49 <clusty> KathrynM, check out our scrabble game :D

09:49 <clusty> damn

09:49 <clusty> i gotta run

09:49 <KathrynM> ok

09:49 <clusty> back in 1h if still there

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12:52 <PovAddict> 300k!

12:52 <jackygrahamez> come again?

12:52 <PovAddict> I reached 300k BOINC credots

12:52 <PovAddict> credits

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12:52 <PovAddict> 302,317.88

12:53 <jackygrahamez> Great can you buy a Porche?

12:53 <PovAddict> lol

12:53 <Starfury^> i'd prefer a 2001 M5

12:54 <PovAddict> Starfury^: too bad you can't buy either with 300k BOINC credits

12:55 <Starfury^> lol

12:55 <CoderForLife> what's the BOINC credits to USD exchange rate?

12:55 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: the question is who is willing to do such exchange...

12:56 <PovAddict> BOINC credits to USD, I believe 0.00

12:56 <CoderForLife> Spit once gave me 50,000 credits for free

12:56 <PovAddict> USD to BOINC credits, depends on the kind of hardware you buy

12:56 <CoderForLife> lol

12:56 <PovAddict> and the price of electricity in your area (which varies a *lot* worldwide)

12:57 <PovAddict> so... can't tell for sure

12:57 <Romulus> i got one orbit unit..

12:57 <CoderForLife> too many variables, not enough equations

12:57 <PovAddict> STFU bot

12:57 <Starfury^> wts 1mil boinc credits

12:57 <Starfury^> offers welcome

12:57 <Starfury^> as long as i can get a pint of stella artois

12:58 <CoderForLife> looks like I'm at 1,590,049

12:58 <PovAddict> wts?

12:58 <CoderForLife> wts?

12:58 <PovAddict> [13:57] <Starfury^> wts 1mil boinc credits

12:59 <CoderForLife> what's wts?

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12:59 <CoderForLife> oops

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12:59 <Starfury^> want to sell

12:59 <CoderForLife> ah

12:59 <Starfury^> wtb want to buy

12:59 <Starfury^> wtt want to trade

12:59 <Starfury^> not an eve or wow player then

13:00 <CoderForLife> I don't look at ads enough

13:00 <PovAddict> not a mmorpg player

13:01 <jackygrahamez> Maybe I should go to congress and ask them to back the USD by boinc credits

13:01 * PovAddict notes CFL has a split CPID

13:04 <PovAddict> CoderForLife:

13:04 <PovAddict> you show as four users

13:04 <Romulus> <> (at

13:07 <CoderForLife> looking

13:08 <CoderForLife> I was feeling a bit fractured

13:08 <PovAddict> lol

13:08 <CoderForLife> how can I pull myself together?

13:08 <PovAddict> looks like one of those users is on Einstein@Home

13:08 <PovAddict> another on Predictor

13:08 <PovAddict> another on Pirates

13:09 <PovAddict> and the other in all the rest

13:09 <CoderForLife> are they different e-mail addresses?

13:09 <CoderForLife> is that the diff?

13:09 <PovAddict> they might be... but that's not the only reason why it may split

13:09 <Romulus> crap I think I'll have work of 15 of the complete list :P

13:10 <PovAddict> if addresses are the same, having Einstein and one of "the rest" projects attached in the same computer would pull them together

13:11 <CoderForLife> I'll try setting the e-mail addresses

13:11 <PovAddict> just go to "your account" in both and compare addresses

13:13 <CoderForLife> I'll use my account key, since I'm unsure of the address

13:14 <CoderForLife> yup Eistein has a unique e-mail address

13:15 <PovAddict> different from the rest?

13:15 <CoderForLife> yup

13:16 <CoderForLife> no now

13:16 * CoderForLife sits back and waits for the magic to happen

13:16 * CoderForLife waits

13:16 <PovAddict> heh well it will take a while for boincstats to do its update

13:16 <CoderForLife> oh =)

13:16 <PovAddict> say 24 hrs at most

13:16 <CoderForLife> next - um

13:17 <PovAddict> hmm actually the last update was 23 hours ago, so... :D

13:17 <PovAddict> oh wait, depends on when E@H exports stats too... hmm

13:18 <CoderForLife> Predictor...

13:18 <CoderForLife> need key...

13:18 * CoderForLife takes out a large keyring loaded with large keys

13:19 <CoderForLife> a-yup  -  different address

13:20 <CoderForLife> predictor done

13:21 <CoderForLife> avast ye matey

13:22 * CoderForLife gets out the skeleton key

13:22 <CoderForLife> ack - it's not on my key ring

13:23 <CoderForLife> hmm

13:23 <jackygrahamez> Ok I got a question for someone who knows about VMWare

13:26 <jackygrahamez> I got one vm I can ssh into but the other I cannot

13:28 <CoderForLife> does VMWare show it running?

13:29 * CoderForLife is a good one for asking stupid questions....

13:30 * CoderForLife waits for an e-mail from Pirates

13:31 * CoderForLife knows that it will have to make it through his greylisting filter, so it will take longer

13:35 <CoderForLife> brb

13:37 <desti>

13:37 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:44 <PovAddict> o.0

13:49 <PovAddict> &math calc 1e20 / 937365942.522898

13:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

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13:49 <PovAddict> &google calc 1e20 / 937365942.522898

13:49 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1e20 / 937,365,942.522898 = 1.06681922 * 10^(11)

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13:50 <PovAddict> &google calc 1e20 seconds / 937365942.522898

13:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: (1e20 seconds) / 937,365,942.522898 = 3,380.61831 years

13:51 <PovAddict> &google calc 1e20 seconds / 2708120841.235414

13:51 <Romulus> PovAddict: (1e20 seconds) / 2,708,120,841.235414 = 1,170.1385 years

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13:59 <CoderForLife> wb

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14:18 <CoderForLife> re-wb

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14:33 <jackygrahamez> Anyone know why I cannot ssh into the Debian image?

14:34 <jackygrahamez> Its on the VMWare

14:34 <jackygrahamez> I had ssh into a centos running on through VMWare on the same machine using NAT

14:36 <jackygrahamez> Furthermore, I cannot ssh into localhost on this image

14:36 <CoderForLife> I'll ask my stupid question again - does VMWare show it running?

14:36 <jackygrahamez> Port 22 connection refused

14:37 <CoderForLife> then - not knowing Debian - does it allow ssh connections by defautl?

14:37 <CoderForLife> er default

14:38 <jackygrahamez> not sure, I just thought someone here might have experience with this image I downloaded from here

14:38 <Romulus> <> (at

14:38 <yoyo[RKN]> I used it as startup

14:38 <yoyo[RKN]> but never ssh'ed into it

14:39 <jackygrahamez> Where does one normally go to enable ports then?

14:39 <Romulus> I wonder if he was deciding is you

14:41 <jackygrahamez> I was just having trouble copying files to it

15:00 <jackygrahamez> I found a work around

15:00 <jackygrahamez> But I like to use another ssh client to connect to my server rather than just use VMWare

15:01 <jackygrahamez> Easier to copy and paste

15:10 <PovAddict> maybe there is no ssh

15:10 <PovAddict> so you need to install sshd

15:11 <jackygrahamez> ok I just assumed it would be there if I could ssh out

15:11 <PovAddict> definitely not :)

15:12 <PovAddict> just because you have a ssh client doesn't mean you also have a server you can connect to

15:12 <PovAddict> (just because you install BOINC client doesn't mean you suddenly host a project)

15:12 <PovAddict> it's a good idea for ssh server *not* to be installed by default

15:13 <PovAddict> $10 to whoever figures out what the *hell* CLIENT_STATE::work_fetch_no_new_work is for (in the core client code)

15:33 <CoderForLife> I think I've done what I need to do to get my accounts glued together, PovAddict

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15:55 <xcamel> 'lo

16:03 <CoderForLife> welcome home xcamel

16:04 <CoderForLife> PovAddict: when would you expect my accounts to "come together"?

16:04 <PovAddict> could be up to 24hrs since your change

16:19 * CoderForLife looks at his watch

16:19 <xcamel> thanks

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16:34 * wdsmia_w Yawns

16:35 <wdsmia_w> is it time to go home yet?

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16:50 <xcamel> yup

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17:06 <xcamel> ah.. a little rain...

17:11 <CoderForLife> unbelievable:,2933,356375,00.html

17:11 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:18 * TheGasGiant saunters in and looks around :)

17:19 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

17:19 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.53in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM EST; Chance of Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Rain. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

17:19 <xcamel> yup.. that's a bit strange..

17:19 <TheGasGiant> yay...a little rain

17:19 <xcamel> 'lo Paul

17:19 <TheGasGiant> heya Jay

17:19 <TheGasGiant> all well in NY?

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17:25 <TheGasGiant> &ping

17:25 <Romulus> pong

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17:25 <TheGasGiant> &roulette

17:25 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: *click*

17:30 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:35 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 79.1F / 26.2C | Humidity: 24% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 50s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 70s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low (1 more message)

17:35 <wdsmia> &more

17:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 50. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

17:36 <xcamel> re-hi

17:36 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:37 <xcamel> bit of a chill with the rain...

17:37 <wdsmia> nice day here and looks to be a great weekend

17:38 <xcamel> not for us.. on and off showers..

17:38 <xcamel> but I can get some old burn piles taken care of...

17:38 <wdsmia> warm and low humidity cant beat that

17:41 <xcamel> indeed..

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18:01 * CoderForLife falls off his chair

18:01 <CoderForLife> hello TheGasGiant

18:02 * CoderForLife dusts himself off and settles back in

18:02 <jackygrahamez> who you calling a gas giant

18:02 <CoderForLife> hello TGG

18:02 <jackygrahamez> |o|

18:02 * CoderForLife thinks - here we go again...

18:03 <CoderForLife> it's deja deja all over again again

18:04 <jackygrahamez> anyone ever try compressing an VM Image and opening it again?

18:04 <jackygrahamez> duh I downloaded it compressed

18:05 <jackygrahamez> rephrase, Any problems compressing with 7zip

18:05 <CoderForLife> nope - since we standardized on VMWare at w@#%, I decided there were probably much better options out there

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18:06 <CoderForLife> If we pick something, it's probably dull, safe and expensive

18:06 <CoderForLife> where's the thrill?

18:06 <jackygrahamez> Danger is my middle name

18:06 <Romulus> PovAddict, i like that on mIRC ?

18:06 <xcamel> lol

18:07 <CoderForLife> anyone install F9 yet?

18:08 <xcamel> nope

18:11 <CoderForLife> hey TheGasGiant

18:11 * CoderForLife wonders if his machine beeps each time

18:19 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no reason why compression would cause any problems with a VM image...

18:22 <jackygrahamez> thanks just checking

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18:31 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

18:31 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 94.8F / 34.9C | Humidity: 17% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 56 to 64. Winds northwest 5 to 10 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs 93 to 98. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 57 to (1 more message)

18:32 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

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18:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 100.4F / 38.0C | Humidity: 21% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 50s to lower 60s. East wind 5 to 10 mph except 10 to 20 mph near The Gorge...becoming southwest 5 to 15 mph late.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid to upper 80s. Light wind becoming west 5 to 10 (1 more message)

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18:32 <Tank_Master> &more

18:32 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Cooler. Lows 50 to 55. West wind 10 to 15 mph becoming light after midnight.; Heat Advisory for Washington County in effect until 8:00 PM PDT on May 16, 2008;

18:32 <efc> moo

18:32 <Tank_Master> damn, I know it was hot out...

18:32 <Tank_Master> but 100f?

18:32 <Tank_Master> old all-time record was 88f

18:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm in the valley so probably 100 here too

18:33 <Soul_keeper> gets hotter in the valleys for some reason

18:33 <xcamel> less air boving

18:33 <CoderForLife> dagnabbit

18:33 <efc> its all women. Send me your surplus. Help save the planet.

18:34 <xcamel> scratch that...

18:34 <xcamel> less air moving

18:34 * Tank_Master heads off to the underground basement

18:34 <Soul_keeper> got me a dark tan yesterday ....

18:34 <Tank_Master> I went to the beach yesterday

18:34 <Soul_keeper> i can almost blend in with the mexicans now

18:34 <Tank_Master> n got burned :P

18:34 <CoderForLife> you mean less bovine air, xcamel

18:35 <Soul_keeper> i was only in direct sun for 8hrs, would probably take 10-12hrs to give me a sun burn

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18:48 <CoderForLife> omg

18:48 <CoderForLife> the fates have aligned

18:48 * TheGasGiant drags himself in...again

18:48 <TheGasGiant> heya Don :)

18:49 <CoderForLife> someone accelerated the Mayan calendar

18:49 <CoderForLife> helloooooo Paul

18:49 <TheGasGiant> howdy doody Don

18:49 * CoderForLife salutes

18:49 <TheGasGiant> all well in BOINC land?

18:50 <CoderForLife> business as usual

18:50 <TheGasGiant> good to see

18:50 <CoderForLife> the first thing we always do is assign blame

18:50 <TheGasGiant> it's a rainy day here...sooooo

18:50 <CoderForLife> then talk about the weather

18:50 <Soul_keeper> is it ok to fart in a public restroom while at a urinal, and then proceed to make direct eye contact with someone ?

18:50 <CoderForLife> =)

18:50 <TheGasGiant> i thought I'd drop by

18:51 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: o.0

18:51 <TheGasGiant> lol

18:51 <CoderForLife> and grace us with your presence?

18:51 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:51 <CoderForLife> or did you come to make direct eye contact?

18:51 * Soul_keeper scurries away in shame

18:51 <quail> &wx ypad

18:51 <TheGasGiant> I'm changing jobs & companies I w#$^ for

18:51 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 29mph / 46km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM CST; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:50 F. / 10 C.;

18:52 <Soul_keeper> lol 54

18:52 <CoderForLife> you'll be so pleased to know that I did one malaria WU in your honor today

18:52 <TheGasGiant> off to get some BIG bucks

18:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah, i'm gonna hafta switch from hot tea to cold tea now ...

18:52 <TheGasGiant> woohoo....I'm honoured (so I thought I'd drop by)

18:52 <CoderForLife> did I ring the bell?

18:52 <Soul_keeper> TheGasGiant, wb

18:53 <TheGasGiant> txs S_k

18:53 <TheGasGiant> just a short drop in

18:53 <TheGasGiant> have to go look at new cars soon

18:53 <CoderForLife> don't be such a stranger

18:53 <Romulus> I am no longer away : Gone for 10 days

18:53 <CoderForLife> speaking of money - do anything with the house yet?

18:54 <TheGasGiant> a rough quote from someone

18:54 <TheGasGiant> and we fell off our chair when we heard how much

18:54 <CoderForLife> rough as in estimate, or in impact?

18:54 <Soul_keeper> it's a buyer's market imo

18:54 <CoderForLife> ah impact

18:54 <TheGasGiant> lol...not in Oz

18:55 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

18:55 <wdsmia> *lo Paul

18:55 <CoderForLife> you could only afford one chair to sit in together?

18:55 <Soul_keeper> i hang out in an irc channel full of aussies if you wanna see if you know any ...

18:55 <TheGasGiant> $400k just to build a 5.6m wide by 25m long house

18:55 <TheGasGiant> heya Doug :)

18:55 <CoderForLife> sounds more like a Hollywood set than a house

18:55 <Soul_keeper> heh

18:56 <Soul_keeper> the aussies are flush

18:56 <TheGasGiant> that was the we're considering paln B

18:56 <CoderForLife> lol

18:56 <Soul_keeper> no government debt, so much surplus they don't even know what to do with it

18:56 <CoderForLife> "pain B"

18:56 <Soul_keeper> the polar opposite of the US

18:56 <TheGasGiant> yeah...but then in my 'new' job it shouldn't be too much of a problem

18:56 <CoderForLife> when the aussies flush, it goes clockwise

18:57 <CoderForLife> ah ah - do tell

18:57 <CoderForLife> plant manager??

18:57 <CoderForLife> CEO??

18:57 <TheGasGiant> starting Jun 2.....Engineering Manager at a small engineering consulting firm

18:57 <CoderForLife> you leaving Aire?

18:57 <TheGasGiant> yup

18:57 <CoderForLife> wow

18:58 <Soul_keeper> lol, i talk to this aussie woman online whose son needs a job ...

18:58 <CoderForLife> did that shock them?

18:58 <TheGasGiant> it's all about the $$$$

18:58 <TheGasGiant> a little

18:58 <CoderForLife> what branch of engineering - chemical?

18:59 <TheGasGiant> I'm planning to get this car in my 'package' ->

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

18:59 <Soul_keeper> nice

18:59 <TheGasGiant> yeah..sort of...process plant

18:59 <TheGasGiant> I'll be in charge of a small team of engineers and draftsman

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18:59 <PovAddict> &google calc 937365942.522898 * 7

18:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: 937,365,942.522898 * 7 = 6.5615616 * 10^(9)

19:00 <CoderForLife> nice

19:00 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

19:00 <Soul_keeper> they might hate you if you pull up in that nice ride :)

19:00 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug.

19:00 <TheGasGiant> lol...

19:00 <TheGasGiant> heya Glenn :)

19:00 <Rookie_69> Hi, Paul... LTNS.

19:00 <TheGasGiant> too true ace

19:01 <Rookie_69> Now that you're back for the winter, I'll be gone for the summer?

19:01 <TheGasGiant> I must say, i'm pretty happy about it (the new job)

19:01 <Rookie_69> New job?

19:02 <TheGasGiant> ahh....for once it's raining here

19:02 <xcamel> might work:

19:02 <Soul_keeper> he's the boss now

19:02 <Rookie_69> Still AL?

19:02 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn, SK

19:02 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

19:02 <Romulus> I asked because we have a dramatic impact on the spot electricity price was hitting $10,000/MWh during the run time Vs. instance size.

19:02 <TheGasGiant> nope...start the new job June 2...hi Jay

19:03 <TheGasGiant> I need to get the company to finish their website

19:03 <CoderForLife> you're not a company is you don't have a web site anymore

19:04 <CoderForLife> if*

19:04 <Soul_keeper> that kid that needs a job is apparently a programmer ...

19:04 <TheGasGiant> true ->

19:04 <Romulus> Title: GLP: Gas Liquid Processing - Home (at

19:05 <CoderForLife> are they in Melbourne?

19:05 <TheGasGiant> yep....35 minute drive vs the 15 to 20 I had before

19:05 <CoderForLife> the web site doesn't say....   needs finishing...  =)

19:06 <CoderForLife> but you'll have a faster car...

19:06 <Soul_keeper> what's the freeway speed limit there ?

19:06 <TheGasGiant> great for freeway cruising in rush hr traffic

19:06 <CoderForLife> ah found it

19:07 <CoderForLife> Tullamarine

19:07 <TheGasGiant> near the airport....

19:07 <CoderForLife> what are you going to tell the Marine?

19:08 <Rookie_69> Going my way, sailor?

19:08 <CoderForLife> lol

19:08 <Romulus> now I know that.

19:08 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

19:08 <CoderForLife> lol

19:08 <TheGasGiant> hehehe

19:08 <CoderForLife> hello Glenn - thanks for the punch line - I knew I could depend on you =)

19:09 <TheGasGiant> sry...was off on other machine (briefly) setting another Godzilla movie going for Matty

19:10 <CoderForLife> Going to w@#% for GuLP...

19:10 <TheGasGiant> so I can GuLP down the money ;)

19:10 <xcamel> /hurl..

19:11 <TheGasGiant> but not as much as Jay....

19:11 <CoderForLife> it's all about the $$$$

19:11 <TheGasGiant> and family (first) then the $$$$

19:11 <CoderForLife> and then there's the $$$$

19:12 <xcamel> indeed

19:12 <TheGasGiant> everyones family well?

19:12 <CoderForLife> my sister is still struggling

19:12 <Rookie_69> :-)

19:13 <xcamel> everyone OK here..

19:13 <wdsmia> good here

19:14 * Rookie_69 thinks his smilie jumped in at the wrong time.

19:14 <CoderForLife> we're trying to get her well enough to get home - been since before Thanksgiving

19:14 <TheGasGiant> wow...sry to here she's still not well Don

19:14 <TheGasGiant> hear...

19:15 <CoderForLife> the insurance has run out

19:15 <TheGasGiant> bugger

19:15 <CoderForLife> she's now going into debt at the rate of $11,000 per month

19:15 <PovAddict> o_O

19:15 <TheGasGiant> lucky you get paid the big bucks

19:15 <CoderForLife> aside from that and my landslide, I have no worries

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19:16 <TheGasGiant> landslide?!?!!!

19:16 <TheGasGiant> got pics?

19:16 <CoderForLife> yes - none lately

19:16 <CoderForLife> it dropped about a foot overnight due to the 3" of rain yesterday

19:17 <TheGasGiant> what happened?  ahhh I was going to say it rained a lot, got saturated and gave way

19:17 <xcamel> basically..

19:17 <xcamel> and then some...

19:17 <CoderForLife> don't mean to burden this thread with my woes

19:17 <CoderForLife> I'll PM some links

19:17 <TheGasGiant> lol....what are friends for!

19:19 * Rookie_69 is trying to throw enough bits together to call supper.

19:19 <xcamel> your woes are allways welcome here..

19:21 <xcamel> and SciFiFriday too..

19:21 <Rookie_69> ... like, I finally replaced that leaky oil pan and now my radiator is spewing out green van blood?

19:22 <PovAddict> eek, I just accidentally set my media player to get music from /media

19:22 <PovAddict> which means it was spidering my whole Windows partition in /media/disk

19:23 * PovAddict runs it with "/media/disk/Documents\ and\ Settings/Nicolas/Mis\ documentos/Mi\ música/" instead

19:23 <efc> I'll have to get TGG working on my plan for gas domination

19:24 <TheGasGiant> mwhahahaha...mwhahahaha

19:24 <Rookie_69> No idea what Pov said but it started with eek, so it must be bad.

19:24 <efc> My sunlight+seltzer water=>Methane plan

19:24 <xcamel> e - the java app is working now...

19:26 <TheGasGiant> sounds like a sort of plan

19:26 <efc> There are details to work out, like how to do it

19:27 <efc> I'm reading Chemistry for Dummies, chapter 8

19:27 <TheGasGiant> it in winter - so you can warm your house

19:27 <PovAddict> yeah when he sets things on fire while experimenting

19:28 <PovAddict> or makes things explode

19:28 <PovAddict> that will warm house

19:28 <efc> just getting water splitting via light would be pretty amazing

19:28 <efc> making any kind of nice burnable hydrocarbon is just gravy

19:28 <TheGasGiant> gravy for jam...

19:31 <efc> Methane just seemed like the easiest one

19:32 <Rookie_69> Hook up a photocell to a hydrogen generator if you want fuel from water... It is probably the easiest...

19:32 <efc> That would be around 5% efficient and extremely expensive

19:32 <TheGasGiant> very inefficient with st'd solar cells

19:33 <TheGasGiant> there is a company is Oz called Solar Systems using space grade solar cells to do it....

19:33 <efc> A chemical process might be something like dissolve this catalyst in water, pump in some CO2 and let it cook. Much, much cheaper

19:33 <efc> We could power everything right now from solar, its just way too expensive

19:35 <efc> I do have some more specific ideas but need to learn a lot more

19:36 <efc> In the meantime, buy my book, "How to dupe venture capitalists and make a bundle"

19:36 <xcamel> generate huge quantities of oxygen from aluminum oxide..

19:37 <Rookie_69> ... just add electricity?

19:37 <efc> Plants do all this of course, but they are good at making enzymes and have other tricks

19:39 *** seth_afk is now known as sethy

19:39 <xcamel> or something that generates alumina via catalyst from water - generating huge amounts of pure hydrogen

19:39 <sethy> ding

19:39 <xcamel> dingbat

19:39 <sethy> omg dingbat

19:40 <efc> I've thought about using 300ish nanometer Al strips as photon antennas. Dunno if that would really work like I think it would.

19:40 <efc> It needs to be a polar molecule to make the water "stick" and catch an energized electron

19:40 <efc> even then I'm not sure if it will split

19:41 <TheGasGiant> gotta go...wife draging me out shopping...then off to the car yard..  :)

19:41 <TheGasGiant> bye all

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19:42 <efc> It must not be easy, or someone would be doing it

19:43 <efc> Or maybe somebody did and the oil company had them wacked

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19:43 <efc> Somebody, knocking at the door, brb

19:44 * efc got wacked

19:44 <xcamel> ouchies

19:45 <efc> I was reading that the current CO2 levels are just above "suffocation" for plants

19:46 <efc> Were 20 times higher in Dino-days

19:53 <xcamel> there is no "suffocation" for plants when it comes to CO2

19:53 <xcamel> somebody writing BS again

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19:54 <jackygrahamez_> hi

19:54 <Rookie_69> That would never happen.

19:54 <xcamel> 'lo jack

19:55 <efc> They'll die without any CO2 ..

19:56 <PovAddict> they produce their own CO2 when breathing...

19:56 <xcamel> ok - then they use the term backwards..

19:56 <jackygrahamez_> come again?

19:56 <xcamel> they inhale co2, and exhale oxygen and other stuff..

19:57 <jackygrahamez_> who?

19:57 <xcamel> plants..

19:57 <jackygrahamez_> Robert?

19:57 <xcamel> laterz..

19:57 <efc> suffocate - not enough O2, or not enough CO2

19:58 <PovAddict> as I understand it, sunlight and CO2 in O2 and sugar out on photosynthesis, sugar and O2 in CO2 out when "breathing"


19:58 <PovAddict> sethy: who cares? :)

19:58 <sethy> me and you

19:58 <sethy> and everyone else that uses fluxbox

19:58 <sethy> duh

19:58 <jackygrahamez_> ohh you guys are interested in photosynthesis

19:59 <sethy> noting like good old carbon dioxide

19:59 <Romulus> as far as i thought...

19:59 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: as a general rule, if you join an IRC channel, you always join in the *middle* of a discussion :)

19:59 * CoderForLife sits in the corner like a potted plant

20:00 <Rookie_69> ...Carbon trioxide in Star Trek talk...

20:00 <jackygrahamez_> Any more questions about PS? I'm your man

20:00 <CoderForLife> corbomite

20:01 <CoderForLife> tranya

20:01 <CoderForLife> tribbles

20:01 <jackygrahamez_> Seven of Nine

20:02 <Rookie_69> OICU81

20:02 <CoderForLife> the category is... things you can suk on

20:02 <Rookie_69> OICU812.

20:02 <efc> Sucrose in water would almost do it, except its the wrong color

20:02 <CoderForLife> hydroxide

20:03 <efc> sucrose is polar, and water soluble, but its white

20:03 <sethy> googlemail has updated..

20:03 <CoderForLife> um how about hydroxide

20:03 <sethy> the loading process isnt just 'loading' it now has loading bar

20:03 <CoderForLife> or maybe hydroxide

20:04 <CoderForLife> or come to think of it, hydroxide might work

20:05 <PovAddict> sethy: orly

20:05 <PovAddict> I use imap anyway :P

20:05 <sethy> gogo web browser trial

20:05 <sethy> ?

20:05 <CoderForLife> go go gadget

20:05 <sethy> legs

20:05 <sethy> POSTMAN PAT

20:06 <CoderForLife> well  off to photosynthesize in front of SciFi

20:06 <sethy> better than SciLon

20:07 <CoderForLife> they come on later

20:07 <jackygrahamez_> Ah Battlestar

20:07 <CoderForLife> saw the 10 minute preview today

20:07 <CoderForLife> looks like a good ep

20:07 <jackygrahamez_> Do they find Earth?

20:07 <CoderForLife> "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" is the title

20:07 <PovAddict> sethy: I see no bar

20:08 <jackygrahamez_> Rev Jeremia Wright?

20:08 <sethy> i got one

20:08 <sethy> hold on i taek screentshotz?

20:08 <CoderForLife> the key line of the first ten minutes:  "I don't know if they're going to feed you... or frak you"

20:08 <Rookie_69> Hydrogen peroxide is supposed to be a good fuel and is practically water when looked at as a chemical...

20:09 <sethy> on msn?

20:09 <jackygrahamez_> Well it was used in early rockets during WWII

20:09 <jackygrahamez_> Very volitile

20:09 <PovAddict> sethy: send or w,e

20:10 <Rookie_69> Used for setting land speed records IIRC.

20:10 <PovAddict> o_O!

20:10 <Romulus> <> (at

20:10 <Romulus> And my BOINC stuff winds up not voting

20:11 <efc> Such little molecules don't tend to absorb light (though I am not sure exactly what determines how a substance responds to light)

20:11 <Rookie_69> Good thing I'm chaste... as opposed to chased...

20:11 <jackygrahamez_> Quencing surface area are key

20:11 <CoderForLife> I'm (way) off

20:11 <CoderForLife> cya

20:11 <jackygrahamez_> Quenching

20:11 <jackygrahamez_> Aromatic carbons are good absorbers

20:12 <efc> Yeah, oil is black or at least dark..

20:12 <jackygrahamez_> Benzene is aromatic

20:12 <efc> Chlorophyll looks to me like a mini-antenna, dunno if thats why it really absorbs well

20:13 <efc> long chain with a Magnesium ion on the end (dunno what thats for)

20:13 <jackygrahamez_> That is where my project is involved

20:13 <jackygrahamez_> An advancement in photo hydrogen was made for light absorbing by shortening the atenna

20:14 <sethy> PovAddict:

20:14 <Romulus> <> (at

20:14 <PovAddict> nice

20:14 <jackygrahamez_> Efficiency in light collecting increased from 2 to 15%

20:14 <efc> Hmm

20:15 <sethy> also still no reply from jenn ;_l

20:15 <efc> I'd think that you might collect more, but if its a higher energy level than the plant can use.. it would tend to cook it.

20:15 <jackygrahamez_>

20:15 <Romulus> <> (at

20:16 <jackygrahamez_> short atanae collect lower wavelenghts which have higher energy

20:16 <jackygrahamez_> towards the violet end of the spectra

20:16 <efc> Right, but its going into a somewhat fixed process, my understanding was that if you have extra, it would get converted towards heat?

20:17 <Romulus> you make client for your help if you resist? :)

20:17 <jackygrahamez_> So the research discovered more efficient light collection, I'm interested in the second part, deprotonation

20:17 <efc> That does look impressive

20:18 <jackygrahamez_> bottleneck is durable enzymes

20:18 <efc> UV cooks them?

20:18 <jackygrahamez_> No, high energy oxygen degrades Fe-Hydrogenase

20:19 <jackygrahamez_> Finding a better enzyme is easier said than done

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20:20 <jackygrahamez_> or somehow sequester the oxygen

20:22 <efc> I wanted to learn enough Quantum that I could simulate some of these things very accurately and then try experiments

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20:22 <efc> But it seems to be hopeless complicated

20:22 <KathrynM> mornin all

20:22 <wdsmia> mornin Kathryn

20:22 <jackygrahamez_> I'm on the same page with you, if we could collaborate maybe we could help eachother learn

20:23 <Rookie_69> Hi, K.

20:24 <jackygrahamez_> one thing that occurs to me, from reading about molecular force fields, computational models are great for describing behavior you expect, using them as a predictive tool like I'm attempting is a real challenge

20:25 <jackygrahamez_> When you setup an experiment you have to calibrate parameters every time to fit the right circumstance

20:28 <jackygrahamez_> Still I am hopeful that they point us in the right direction

20:28 <jackygrahamez_> When done correctly

20:30 <efc> I have to hit the road, nice talking to you. I hope to steal many more ideas soon!

20:30 * efc waves

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20:30 <jackygrahamez_> I hope to donate my 2 cents

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20:32 <Rookie_69> Oom!

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21:23 <Rookie_69> If everybody were to donate their two cents to me. I d still have less than 70 cents collected.

21:23 <Rookie_69> My keys still seem to be fu'ed.

21:24 <Rookie_69> Maybe my fingers need to all be broken.

21:24 * wdsmia wacks Rookie_69's finger with a 2x4

21:25 * Rookie_69 feels better now.

21:25 <KathrynM> forget a 2x4.  Just drop the lid of the copying machine onto your hand.

21:25 <KathrynM> You'll get a huge bruise and a very sore hand.

21:25 * KathrynM speaks for experience

21:25 <KathrynM> errrrrr

21:25 <KathrynM> from

21:26 * wdsmia remember memograph machines that would take the hand

21:26 * wdsmia needs a ne "s" key

21:26 <Rookie_69> Drum takes fingers.

21:27 <wdsmia> and "w" lol

21:27 <Rookie_69> and a w key.

21:27 <Rookie_69> Lol.

21:28 <wdsmia> or maybe just a new ring finger

21:29 <Rookie_69> What does a ring finger have to do with it? Don't the index fingers do all the typing?

21:30 <wdsmia> only for Rookie's :)

21:30 <Rookie_69> :-P

21:31 <Rookie_69> Hunt and peck works for typing as well as feeding...

21:32 <Rookie_69> ... not very...

21:32 <wdsmia> chop stick typing and eating?

21:33 * Rookie_69 wonders if he can even hold a set of chopsticks anymore.

21:34 * KathrynM is good with chopsticks

21:34 * Rookie_69 notes that he spends too much time every day picking up dropped tools and hardware.

21:36 * Rookie_69 is also using right handed tools in a left handed wold so is at a double disadvantage right off the bat.

21:36 <Rookie_69> Wold?.. world...

21:37 <Rookie_69> Hammers are designed for smashing left handed hands.

21:38 <wdsmia> WOLD great Harry harry chapin song

21:38 * Rookie_69 doesn't blame the rest of the world... they're not in their right minds.

21:38 <Rookie_69> WOLD... Yup.

21:41 * Rookie_69 fears something nasty like MS is creeping in, but gave up doctors as a waste of time years ago.

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21:43 <wdsmia> MicroSoft?

21:43 <Rookie_69> Not that bad.

21:47 <Rookie_69> It's probably just arthritis or the like in my hands... I've stalled too many engines by jamming my hand in the belts... but that doesn't explain the neck, back, hips, knees, calves, ankles, feet, etc.

21:48 <wdsmia> Thats easy you have reached middle age lol

21:49 <Rookie_69> Nope. I've reached old age.

21:49 <wdsmia> your younger than me

21:49 <Rookie_69> What... a week?

21:49 <wdsmia> more than that

21:49 <Rookie_69> Ok... a month.

21:50 <Rookie_69> ... or two..

21:51 <Rookie_69> 45 is not wheelchair time!

21:51 <wdsmia> 62 was a bad year for kids... it produced the 2 of us

21:51 <Rookie_69> Lol.

21:56 <Rookie_69> One of the old guys with an artificial hip who stops in at work once in a while tool a look at me and offered his cane... said I needed it more than him.

21:56 <Rookie_69> It felt good, too.

21:58 <Rookie_69> ... took...

22:03 <Rookie_69> Bedtime here...

22:03 <Rookie_69> NN.

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22:04 <wdsmia> &nn

22:04 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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22:39 * KathrynM goes to eat lunch

22:39 <wdsmia> HF

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