IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-05-17

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01:18 <efc> &weather 30625

01:18 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 57F / 14C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. West winds up to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. Light and variable winds.;

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05:11 <mweltin> yoyo

05:11 <mweltin> how are you

05:12 <yoyo[RKN]> fine, thy, how is tsp running

05:12 <mweltin> Dr. Anderson is helping me debug my wrapper problem and added some debug messages to wrapper.C but I forgot what I do with it.

05:13 <mweltin> as for TSP I'm trying to get it up an running again.

05:14 <mweltin> I got burnt out on it, spent way too much time on it, and needed to make some money.  But that is who life goes.

05:14 <mweltin> put it down for a month and trying to get it working again.

05:15 <yoyo[RKN]> now you are fit again ;)

05:16 <mweltin> I'm much better now, put some realistic limits on myself.

05:17 <mweltin> so where does wrapper.C get used in all this mess again?

05:18 <mweltin> in may app dir I have two apps, the aco_1.7 and the aco=acoAlgo_1.7  one of these is the wrapper right?

05:19 <mweltin> just renamed

05:19 <mweltin> I forgot how complex this thing is

05:20 <yoyo[RKN]> on my side it is simpler

05:20 <yoyo[RKN]> i did not rename the wrapper

05:21 <mweltin> ok, but that is what one of those files are, one is the real app and the other is wrapper.

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> boincadm@r094:~/projects/yoyo/apps/crunch/wrapper_1.22_windows_intelx86.exe> l

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> insgesamt 1012

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> drwxr-x---  2 boincadm boinc   4096 12. Mai 11:37 ./

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> drwxr-x--- 49 boincadm boinc   4096 13. Mai 21:16 ../

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> -rwxr-x--x  1 boincadm boinc 539136 12. Mai 11:36 crunch_1.01_windows_intelx86.exe*

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> -rwxr-x--x  1 boincadm boinc     13 12. Mai 11:36 crunch_1.01_windows_intelx86.exe.file_ref_info*

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> -rwxr-x--x  1 boincadm boinc   2768 12. Mai 11:36 job.xml=job_1.07_windows_intelx86.xml*

05:22 <yoyo[RKN]> -rwxr-xr-x  1 boincadm boinc 471040 12. Mai 09:18 wrapper_1.22_windows_intelx86.exe*

05:26 <mweltin> aco_1.7_i686-pc-linux-gnu  aco=acoAlgo_1.7_i686-pc-linux-gnu  job.xml=job_1.7.xml

05:26 <mweltin> but that is fine at least one is wrapper and I can figure out which one easy enough.

05:28 <mweltin> what the heck does this mean?  (Look at your DB structure using "explain" queries to see

05:28 <mweltin> / which ones you need

05:29 <mweltin> in the db_update.php file

05:29 <Romulus> how are things on the iPod

05:37 <mweltin> where is wrapper?

05:37 <Romulus> I guess wrapper is still lookin for job.xml as well, mweltin

05:38 <mweltin> I forgot how much romie is a pain

05:44 <CoderForLife> he's always there to remind you

05:45 <CoderForLife> morning mweltin

05:45 <CoderForLife> morning yoyo[RKN]

05:45 <mweltin> hey cfl

05:46 <mweltin> so why would you call a static lib directly libstdc++.a, and not -lstdc++

05:46 <mweltin> my wrapper buid is failing there, but lib is on my box, but so I can manage to get it to build, but so I'm just curious.

05:55 <CoderForLife> dunno, unless there's a chance of confusion

05:55 <mweltin> makes sense to me

05:55 <yoyo[RKN]> which fault did you get mweltin?

05:56 <mweltin> it builds fine now, I just had to modify the make for to tell it where the archive was.

05:56 <CoderForLife> finding or not finding stuff along Java's classpath is a source of most Java problems

05:56 <mweltin> I just didnt understand calling it by the full name and not -lsomethingsomething

05:57 <mweltin> I never got into java

05:57 * CoderForLife yawns

05:57 <mweltin> Im doing a lot of C for ARM right now.

05:57 <mweltin> and some ARM assembly.

05:57 <CoderForLife> nice

05:57 <CoderForLife> talking to bare metal

05:57 <mweltin> found a great book on it too, free

05:58 <mweltin> CAN UART and DMA so far and some Timer stuff

05:58 <CoderForLife> huh?  I heard "great" and "free" in the same sentence... I don't understand =)

05:59 <CoderForLife> maybe you have a DMA problem with your UART =)

05:59 <mweltin> its full of stuff I never thought of by makeing you for loops count down to zero you save one instruction per iteration of the loop

06:00 * CoderForLife starts testing some code fixes - hopefully this will be the last run

06:00 <mweltin> Direct Memory access, and the LPC2378 you can dump from memory right to a peripheral without going through a register.

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06:03 <CoderForLife> my quick test looks OK - now to unleash the 5 hour run....

06:04 <mweltin> good luck

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06:04 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

06:04 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 25mph / 41km/h | Updated: 7:30 PM EST; Rain. High:51 F. / 11 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

06:05 <mweltin> hahaahahaha

06:05 <TheGasGiant>'s warmed up

06:05 <TheGasGiant> heya mweltin

06:05 <mweltin> I've been on this island for over a year now

06:05 <mweltin> hey gas

06:05 <mweltin> the weather never changes

06:05 <TheGasGiant> just a little warmer than here i bet....

06:05 <mweltin> I like it that way.

06:05 <TheGasGiant> me too...

06:06 <TheGasGiant> today was colddddd

06:06 <Romulus> I would take days to crunch WUs

06:06 <TheGasGiant> how's tsp going?

06:06 <mweltin> I realized that is why people here are so short sighted, the concept that the future may be different doesnt occur to them.

06:06 <CoderForLife> morning TheGasGiant

06:06 <mweltin> I'm working on getting it back on track.

06:06 <TheGasGiant> heya CFL...told ya I'd be back :)

06:07 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go fetch some breakfast - brb

06:07 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-1-686 |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8200  @ 2.66GHz 2669.861 MHz | Bogomips: 10682.6 | Mem: 3083/3291M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.74G Free: 179.38G | Procs: 120 | Uptime: 1 hr 5 mins 43 secs | Load: 3.79 2.19 1.19  | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth1: In: 15.20M Out: 2.23M

06:07 <CoderForLife> I'm glad you came back - thanks

06:07 <TheGasGiant> heya Dale

06:07 <mweltin> I ran out of money and had to find a real job for a while, I also got burnt out from working on it so much.

06:07 <TheGasGiant> ahh...damn

06:07 <quail> TheGasGiant: that my new system I got today :-)

06:07 <mweltin> I thinkI have a good balance between work, diving, and boinc now.

06:07 <TheGasGiant> sweeeeeeeeet

06:08 <mweltin> what did you get quail?

06:08 <TheGasGiant> balance is good

06:08 <quail> TheGasGiant: howdy Paul, How are you?

06:08 <TheGasGiant> all good Dale

06:08 <quail> :-)

06:08 <TheGasGiant> you BOINCing on that quail?

06:08 * quail doing a cpu burnin atm

06:09 <TheGasGiant> Shrek is on atm...great show

06:10 <quail> TheGasGiant: I may do

06:10 <mweltin> ok I'm going to turn in for the night

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06:10 <mweltin> glad to be back

06:10 <mweltin> take care

06:10 <TheGasGiant> you should Dale...great burn in.....use the latest optimised SETI app

06:10 <TheGasGiant> k..have a good day

06:11 <mweltin> thanks

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06:11 <quail> TheGasGiant: I still have to install debian 64bit yet, I running 32 bit version atm

06:11 <TheGasGiant> 32bit will do

06:12 <TheGasGiant> just BOINC it

06:12 <TheGasGiant> ;)

06:13 <CoderForLife> b

06:13 <TheGasGiant> wb Don

06:13 <CoderForLife> thx

06:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 50 percent (1 more message)

06:14 <CoderForLife> &more

06:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of showers. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

06:14 <CoderForLife> ... I don't need more rain ...

06:15 <Romulus> compile it myself?

06:15 <TheGasGiant> we've had an inch today....great stuff

06:15 * CoderForLife receives the package, and re-addresses it to TGG

06:15 <TheGasGiant> hehehe....been too dry here

06:16 <CoderForLife> otoh - wouldn'y want to get waterspots on that new car

06:16 <TheGasGiant> lol...haven't got it yet...haven't even ordered it

06:16 <TheGasGiant> but I am driving a new Ford Mondeo atm....trial car

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06:19 * TheGasGiant thinks he blew CFL away with the talk of new cars an' all

06:19 <quail> CoderForLife: howdy Don

06:19 <CoderForLife> yep kinda, versus my situation

06:19 <CoderForLife> hello Dale

06:20 <TheGasGiant> :)

06:22 <CoderForLife> so to finish my story...

06:23 <CoderForLife> there's a neighborhood across the river, in northern Kentucky

06:23 * TheGasGiant listens intently

06:23 <CoderForLife> where the houses line both sides of a street on top of a tall hill

06:23 <Romulus> /me without something after it shows is someone playing with his parents.

06:23 <CoderForLife> after the drought plus snow/rain...

06:23 * TheGasGiant leans in closer

06:24 <CoderForLife> one side of the hill has fallen away, and ripped all the backs of the houses on one side of the street open

06:24 <TheGasGiant> woah

06:24 <CoderForLife> the houses looks like little doll houses on top of the hill - you can see inside all the rooms of the houses though the back

06:24 * TheGasGiant recoils in shock...

06:25 <TheGasGiant> wow....too close to home for you

06:25 <CoderForLife> Southwest Ohio spends more money per capita than any other place in the US on retention walls / landscape control

06:25 <TheGasGiant> brb...Matty to bed :)

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06:26 <CoderForLife> the hills here like to fall down

06:26 <CoderForLife> oh ok

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06:41 <CoderForLife> brb

06:41 <Romulus> I've mailed the BOINC Wiki? Clicking that BOINC logo returns me to figure out how rsync and cron work

06:42 <TheGasGiant> b....sleepy boy

06:51 <CoderForLife> b

06:52 <TheGasGiant> wb

06:52 <CoderForLife> how old is Matty now?

06:52 <TheGasGiant> 9

06:52 <CoderForLife> excellent

06:52 <TheGasGiant> yeah...he's slowly changing

06:52 <CoderForLife> as expected

06:52 <CoderForLife> as needed

06:52 <TheGasGiant> every other week I look at him and he's growing up

06:53 <TheGasGiant> Stephen is 23?

06:53 <CoderForLife> yes, 24 in November

06:54 <CoderForLife> the last year I can claim him as a dependent

06:54 <TheGasGiant> ahhh...time to kick him out of home?

06:54 <CoderForLife> not a chance from my perspective

06:55 <TheGasGiant> excellent

06:55 <CoderForLife> he'll do things of his own accord soon enough

06:56 <CoderForLife> then I'll be glad/sad

06:56 <TheGasGiant> has he got a job..or is he still studying?

06:56 <CoderForLife> yes

06:57 <CoderForLife> fulltime student, parttime job

06:57 <TheGasGiant> excellent...I'd hire anyone (almost) who is studying and working over someone who is just studying

06:58 <CoderForLife> he works here

06:58 <Romulus> Title: GameServers, Ventrilo Servers, TeamSpeak Servers (at

06:59 <CoderForLife> school here

06:59 <Romulus> Title: University of Cincinnati Clermont College - Clermont Batavia, OH (at

06:59 <TheGasGiant> looking

07:00 <TheGasGiant> a good way to learn real computing

07:00 <TheGasGiant> system admin etc

07:01 <TheGasGiant> brb

07:01 <CoderForLife> yeah - he had done his own game servers at home, so doing it for pay was nothing

07:01 <CoderForLife> he's doing tech support and programming

07:04 <TheGasGiant> nice...does he want to w#$^ in Oz, AL has position vacant in its help desk

07:05 <CoderForLife> I guess that's where I'd have to assert myself

07:05 <Romulus> i need to drink coffee more often :)

07:06 <TheGasGiant> that's be fun to see Romy

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07:06 <TheGasGiant> 'd

07:06 <CoderForLife> having lady friend several states away is one thing

07:06 <CoderForLife> moving to another country would be quite another

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07:11 <TheGasGiant> grrrr

07:12 <TheGasGiant> missed everything since I posted the link

07:12 <CoderForLife> um  posted what link?

07:13 <TheGasGiant> nice RAC on SETI on this machine ->

07:13 <Romulus> <> (at

07:13 <TheGasGiant> that link

07:13 <CoderForLife> the last thing I saw was "'d"

07:13 <CoderForLife> looking

07:13 <TheGasGiant> ahh..the link was just after that

07:14 <CoderForLife> seti is taking off like a spaceship

07:14 <TheGasGiant> yeah...a new optimised client

07:14 <TheGasGiant> app I should say

07:15 <CoderForLife> I'll need to try that sometime

07:15 <CoderForLife> I don't do seti much anymore

07:15 <TheGasGiant> better SSE3 optimisations done by a few users

07:15 <CoderForLife> got the ubuntu box keeping the little flickering SETI candle lit

07:15 <TheGasGiant> I've only done it since this app became available

07:16 <TheGasGiant> I was doing a little SETI just so I could post on the message boards

07:16 <CoderForLife> well - I sincerely regret to say that I must be off on my Saturday morning errands

07:16 <CoderForLife> food on the table, gas in the tank

07:16 * TheGasGiant pouts

07:16 <CoderForLife> bills in the mail

07:17 <CoderForLife> cash in the wallet

07:17 <CoderForLife> them things

07:17 <CoderForLife> I was hanging here to chat with you

07:17 <CoderForLife> but I need to get those done

07:17 <CoderForLife> so...

07:17 <CoderForLife> sorry I have to go

07:18 <CoderForLife> please come back soon

07:18 <CoderForLife> and with that...

07:19 <CoderForLife> &monologue CoderForLife

07:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.

07:19 <CoderForLife> &monologue

07:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 11 lines long.

07:19 <CoderForLife> cya

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07:58 <KathrynM> darn it.  I missed Markus again!

08:05 <xcamel> 'lo

08:06 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 47.0F / 8.3C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail this afternoon. Highs around 70. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Mostly (2 more messages)

08:06 <xcamel> &more

08:06 <Romulus> xcamel: cloudy with showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy with a chance of showers after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail in the evening. Lows in the mid 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny with a chance of rain in the morning...then mostly cloudy with rain likely in the afternoon. Cooler (1 more message)

08:06 <xcamel> &more

08:06 <Romulus> xcamel: with highs around 60. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

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08:50 <xcamel> nobody up yet?

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09:24 <xcamel> ip kill >>

09:34 <Didactylos> Heh. I'm rereading Foundation right now.

09:51 <CoderForLife> back

09:52 <CoderForLife> Foundation - Asimov or Ayn Rand?

09:54 <CoderForLife> looks like someone near Cincinnati won the MegaMillions jackpot

10:07 <CoderForLife> ack - sorry - Ayn Rand was "Fountainhead"

10:08 <CoderForLife> The Foundation trilogy is great, plus the prequels, sequels, and ties into the Robot series

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11:10 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

11:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 68.0F / 20.0C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.6mph / 4.2km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 50 (1 more message)

11:11 <CoderForLife> &more

11:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent chance of showers. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

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13:49 <Soul_keeper> :)

13:52 <CoderForLife> hello Soul_keeper

13:53 <Soul_keeper> yo

14:00 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

14:00 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 86.9F / 30.5C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 94 to 102. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 60 to 67. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs 90 to 95 in the western valleys to 96 to 104 near the (1 more message)

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14:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

14:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 83.2F / 28.4C | Humidity: 23% | Pressure: 29.69in / 1005.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny with isolated showers and thunderstorms. High in the lower 80s. West wind 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 50. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph decreasing (1 more message)

14:27 <wdsmia> &more

14:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Cooler. High in the upper 60s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph in the afternoon.;

14:31 <Soul_keeper>,news-1378.html

14:31 <Romulus> <> (at

14:31 <Soul_keeper> lol go google !!!

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14:48 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

14:48 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 46.8°F / 8.2°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 29.15in / 987.0hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 16.1mph / 25.9km/h | Updated: 3:48 PM ADT; Today - Rain with the risk of thundershowers. Amount 20 mm(0.8 in). Fog patches. Wind becoming east 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) early this afternoon. Temperature steady near 7C(45F).; Tonight - Rain ending (1 more message)

14:48 <Rookie_69> &more

14:48 <Romulus> Rookie_69: this evening then cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. Amount 2 to 4 mm(0.1 to 0.2 in). Fog patches. Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) near midnight. Low 6C(43F).; Sunday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Clearing in the afternoon. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph). High 15C(59F).;

14:49 <PovIpod> weather channel?

14:52 <Rookie_69> Weather eXperts maybe.

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15:03 * Rookie_69 is getting dizzy watching pov pop in and out.

15:05 * Rookie_69 looks around and wishes "housework" was automatically done by the house too.

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15:32 <Rookie_69> Sort of watching... Ghostbusters2??? on Spike TV.

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16:12 * CoderForLife looks out the window

16:14 * KathrynM_ looks out the window and notices the sun starting to rise

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16:18 <Rookie_69> Hi, K.

16:18 <Rookie_69> Hi, CFL.

16:22 <CoderForLife> hi Rookie_69

16:22 <CoderForLife> hi KathrynM

16:22 <wdsmia> *lo Don

16:22 <CoderForLife> hi wdsmia

16:28 <wdsmia> Hmm moved up to 6th place LHC :)

16:28 <Soul_keeper> gettum !!!

16:30 <wdsmia> only 5 to go

16:31 <wdsmia> and 903K lol

16:32 <Soul_keeper> upgrade time ?

16:32 <CoderForLife> din-din --- bbiab

16:37 <Rookie_69> Masticated steer is still mostly congealed... Dinner won't be for a while.

16:37 <Romulus> thx for the RSX cores to get better

16:45 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:46 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

16:47 <xcamel> Hi Glenn

16:50 <xcamel> finally got a storm close enough to verify stormview works..

16:51 <Rookie_69> That's... um... good, I guess.

16:51 <Rookie_69> Lol.

16:52 <Rookie_69> New software?

16:53 <Rookie_69> &/or hardware?

16:53 <Romulus> No idea.

16:55 <xcamel> new sw for old hardware

16:55 <Rookie_69> Ah.

16:56 <xcamel> (java app)

16:56 <xcamel> plain screenshot

16:57 <xcamel> on the bottom

16:57 <Rookie_69> Looks noisy near Buffalo

17:04 <PovAddict> java applet loading

17:04 <PovAddict> text blinking like crazy

17:05 <PovAddict> ...loading...

17:06 <Soul_keeper> lol, better go makes something to drink

17:06 <PovAddict> looks like an abuse of Java anyway

17:06 <Soul_keeper> hopefully it isn't crashed after loading by the time you get back :)

17:06 <PovAddict> loading progress bar is at 100% but nothing happens

17:10 <Soul_keeper> you know "forever" is a long time ?

17:10 <Soul_keeper> sometimes java bugs go away with a particular app if i juggle java versions

17:11 <PovAddict> well written java apps shouldn't work bad with specific java versions

17:12 <Soul_keeper> well, good people shouldn't die either

17:13 <Soul_keeper>

17:14 <PovAddict> wtf

17:14 <Soul_keeper> hahaha

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17:20 <CoderForLife> b

17:21 <Romulus> Mow down the street open

17:21 <CoderForLife> Why so serious, Rommie?

17:29 * PovAddict finally found a decent UML tool

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17:34 <xcamel> ip kill >>

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18:00 <Rookie_69> Spike is as snafu'ed as usual... GB is playing after GBII.

18:01 <Rookie_69> Sigourney Weaver gets my juices going though.

18:01 <wdsmia> fast forward then play it in backwards

18:02 <wdsmia> BTW: the Ghost did it

18:04 <Rookie_69> Aww :-(

18:04 <Rookie_69> You spoiled it.

18:05 <wdsmia> lol

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18:21 * CoderForLife looks back in

18:21 <CoderForLife> thx for the plink, xcamel

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18:22 <PovAddict> lol he plinked himself

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18:22 <CoderForLife> dagnabbit

18:22 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: plinked yourself?

18:23 <CoderForLife> got bit by the Miranda bug again

18:23 <PovAddict> did you report it already?

18:23 <CoderForLife> was typing a message to you, PovAddict

18:23 <CoderForLife> typed P-o-v-tab

18:23 <CoderForLife> disk goes (scribble-scribble-scribble)

18:23 <CoderForLife> app throws exception

18:24 <CoderForLife> wants to know if I want to debug it

18:24 <Romulus> I did it differently)

18:24 <CoderForLife> anyway.............................

18:24 <CoderForLife> what's your UML app, PovTabAddict?

18:24 <PovAddict> Umbrello

18:25 <CoderForLife> sounds fer-ren

18:25 <PovAddict> Dia was kinda primitive; I tried Kivio and it doesn't even support UML, it only comes with flowchart shapes (but extra shape sets are available for only $5 each! uh huh)

18:26 <CoderForLife> the first time is always free

18:27 <PovAddict> Kivio is open source... just nobody other than the Creator Company seems to bother making good shape sets

18:27 <PovAddict> there were some UML shapes actually, but quite bad...

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18:28 <E-30> hi

18:28 <PovAddict> drop a class into the diagram... and it's actually just a block where you can type a name on top (class name) and a text box below where you type the methods/attributes yourself

18:28 <PovAddict> even Dia had more than that... a dialog with "add method", a list of method arguments, radio buttons for public/protected/private etc. and it did the needed text for you

18:28 <E-30> hey pov

18:29 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: however... Umbrello even supports all of the UML diagrams, not only class diagrams

18:29 <PovAddict>

18:29 <Romulus> <> (at

18:29 <CoderForLife> I was just on the Umbrello site

18:30 <CoderForLife> hey E-30

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18:37 <E-30> how are you doing

18:38 <PovAddict> hey Zeeno

18:38 <PovAddict> and E-30

18:38 <Zeeno> hey

18:38 <CoderForLife> OK I reckon E-30 - how about you

18:38 <CoderForLife> hello Zeeno

18:38 <Zeeno> s'up coder

18:39 <CoderForLife> Codin' =)

18:39 <Zeeno> nice

18:39 <Zeeno> been getting settled into the new house

18:39 <Romulus> you're not logged in, the join thing again

18:39 <Zeeno> finally got my HF gear back on the air today

18:39 <CoderForLife> new houses are nice

18:39 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: good for you... I'm trying to figure out others' code >_<

18:40 <Zeeno> i did that for a living for 2 years

18:40 <Zeeno> not much fun

18:40 <CoderForLife> lower case c, I see

18:40 <PovAddict> lol

18:40 <CoderForLife> Coding, it's a way of Life

18:41 <CoderForLife> and a jail sentence

18:41 <Zeeno> yup

18:41 <PovAddict> ever seen a class with almost a hundred public members? :P

18:41 <Zeeno> that's what i do for a living

18:41 <CoderForLife> bittersweet

18:41 <PovAddict> (conceptually, they're global variables...)

18:42 <PovAddict>

18:42 <Romulus> <> (at

18:44 <Zeeno> nice

18:50 <E-30> not bad

18:50 <E-30> well i am going to see speed racer at 615

18:51 <Zeeno> saw iron man few days ago

18:51 <Zeeno> semi-ok

18:51 <PovAddict> well right now I'm trying to figure out why there is a "workunit" and "result" as separate entities... to me that doesn't make any sense in the client-side

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18:53 <PovAddict> ...I didn't kill them

18:59 <CoderForLife> Umbrello looks good, Pov

18:59 <CoderForLife> where'd they do?

19:02 <KathrynM> moanin

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19:18 * PovAddict plugs a vaccuum cleaner into his computer front fans

19:18 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM

19:19 <CoderForLife> wb Zeeno

19:19 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife

19:19 <KathrynM> How goes the Coding

19:19 <Zeeno> tnks coder

19:19 <CoderForLife> about to finish loading the database at w@#%

19:20 <Zeeno> what db system do you use?

19:20 <Zeeno> at work

19:20 <CoderForLife> trying to figure out why MySQL can't find my file with the delete SQL statements in it that I want to execute

19:20 <Zeeno> ooops, i mean at w@#%

19:20 <CoderForLife> it found the INFILE file to load the table

19:21 <CoderForLife> the other file is right next to it

19:21 <Zeeno> permissions

19:21 <CoderForLife> Zeeno - we use them all, unfortunately

19:21 <PovAddict> lol

19:21 <Zeeno> :)

19:21 <CoderForLife> yep Zeeno - that's always a problem

19:21 <CoderForLife> but this is Winders

19:22 * PovAddict waits for CoderForLife to quite himself

19:22 <PovAddict> quote, even

19:22 <Zeeno> can still be a problem

19:22 <Zeeno> unless you are on win 98

19:22 <CoderForLife> "Security is rarely convenient"

19:22 <CoderForLife> thx Pov =)

19:23 <CoderForLife> (C) 2002 All Rights Reserved Worldwide

19:23 <CoderForLife> well let's see...

19:25 <CoderForLife> security looks the same - I'll try a full path

19:25 <CoderForLife> yup - it's rockin'

19:26 <CoderForLife> 75,000+ delete SQL statements

19:26 <CoderForLife> delete from inventory where ID=(whatever);

19:26 <CoderForLife> server CPU at 100%

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19:27 <Zeeno> ick

19:28 <PovAddict> are those IDs kinda random?

19:28 <CoderForLife> ripping 75000 duplicate records out of a table containing 1.6M+ records

19:28 <PovAddict> ah

19:28 <CoderForLife> the IDs were sequentially assigned by me

19:28 <CoderForLife> inventory ID numbers

19:28 <PovAddict> the IDs being deleted I mean

19:28 <CoderForLife> done

19:28 <CoderForLife> let's see what's left

19:29 <PovAddict> if they're sequential you could use a single statement ;) WHERE ID > x and ID < y

19:29 <CoderForLife> they are somewhat random

19:29 <CoderForLife> oh no - no that

19:29 <PovAddict> yeah if you're deleting duplicate records I would expect them to be quite scattered

19:29 <CoderForLife> I need to compare files in a sorted list - if the file was scanned and inventoried previously, I want to compare the scan status, and keep the "best" one

19:30 <CoderForLife> they are not duplicate keys

19:30 <CoderForLife> they are unique keys with semi-duplicate contents

19:30 <CoderForLife> may refer to the same file, but different scan events

19:30 <CoderForLife> I had overlapping inventory scans

19:31 <CoderForLife> but I only want the file to appear once in the final database, with the best scan results

19:32 <CoderForLife> SELECT count(ID) FROM inventory

19:32 <CoderForLife> 1563240

19:32 * CoderForLife sits back and smiles

19:32 <wdsmia> Its the weekend and that looks to much like w@#%

19:33 <CoderForLife> SELECT count(ID) FROM inventory where filesuffix='xls'

19:34 <CoderForLife> 347764

19:34 <CoderForLife> that number got everyone talking at w@#%

19:36 <wdsmia> everyone at w@#% looks at my sequential numbers and gets a migrane... I used base 36 lol

19:36 <CoderForLife> 7807 MDB files

19:36 <PovAddict> lol wdsmia

19:37 <PovAddict> D5K = D-hundred-and-fifty-K

19:38 <CoderForLife> well - the database is ready for the great unveiling next Tuesday

19:38 <PovAddict> (= 17048 in base 10)

19:38 <CoderForLife> I'm going to let a few people access it (.htaccess) and use phpMyAdmin to query and report on it

19:39 <CoderForLife> I installed wampserver to make all the plumbing easy under Winduhs

19:40 <PovAddict> hehe... is there any DB engine starting with 'R'?

19:40 <CoderForLife> RDBMS =P

19:41 <PovAddict> that's cheating :P

19:41 <CoderForLife> rulez?  what rulez?

19:41 <PovAddict> Windows + Apache + RDBMS + PHP = WARP

19:42 <KathrynM> lol

19:42 <Romulus> time to miss it.

19:42 <PovAddict> is there any programming language starting with K? oh wait, I better don't...

19:42 <CoderForLife> that would be stretching the truth

19:42 <CoderForLife> lol

19:43 <PovAddict> I would need a db engine with 'N' too to make the joke

19:43 * PovAddict hides /o\

19:44 <CoderForLife> I think there's an NSQL

19:44 <PovAddict> BSD, Lighttpd, Oracle, PHP = BLOP?

19:46 <CoderForLife> Linux Apache FOCUS Ruby - LAFR

19:46 * KathrynM examines todo list

19:46 * KathrynM decides to go back to bed

19:46 * KathrynM is lazy

19:46 <CoderForLife> a most excellent plan

19:46 <PovAddict> the todo list won't get any shorter that way

19:46 <CoderForLife> read a book

19:46 <wdsmia> Pov used the "O" word

19:46 <PovAddict> lol

19:47 <CoderForLife> something targets above age 4

19:47 <wdsmia> that could result in a kick ;)

19:47 <PovAddict> wdsmia: w#$% trauma with that word?

19:47 <CoderForLife> targeted

19:47 <KathrynM> awwwwwww...  that leaves out "Green Eggs and Ham"

19:49 * wdsmia will ignore it this time just dont use it with the "J" word lol

19:49 <PovAddict> which J? the programming language?

19:50 <wdsmia> yup

19:50 <CoderForLife> Jovial

19:50 <wdsmia> lol

19:50 <PovAddict> 'nuther w#$& trauma?

19:50 <KathrynM> when is w*@& not traumatizing?

19:51 <wdsmia> on your day off

19:51 <PovAddict> KathrynM: you aren't helping... remember I start w$%& "soon"

19:51 <PovAddict> :P

19:51 <KathrynM> 5:00 on a Friday afternoon

19:51 <KathrynM> :)

19:51 <CoderForLife> when you inoculate yourself by w@#%ing all the time

19:51 <KathrynM> I aim to be helpful

19:52 <KathrynM> at least computers don't puke on you or pee their pants or hit you

19:52 <PovAddict> LOL

19:52 <KathrynM> co-w&^% got slugged trying to break up a fight

19:52 <wdsmia> thats what end users are for

19:52 <KathrynM> lol

19:52 * CoderForLife inspects his pants legs next to his CPU

19:52 <CoderForLife> um...

19:52 * KathrynM hopes CoderForLife doens't have a bladder problem

19:53 <PovAddict> wdsmia:

19:53 <Romulus> Title: Flickr Photo Download: project (at

19:53 <CoderForLife> Miranda has been puking on me lately

19:53 <KathrynM> love that PovAddict

19:54 * CoderForLife enjoys the moment by picking up the accumulated post-it notes on his desk

19:54 <wdsmia> good one pov

19:55 * KathrynM crawls back into bed... todo list can wait for a few hours

19:55 * KathrynM is still away

19:55 <CoderForLife> never todo today what you can dodo tomorrow

19:57 * CoderForLife smiles - completing a project is a self-actualization moment for a Coder

19:57 <wdsmia> todo list isnt that what you use to clean up spilled coffee on you desk

19:57 <wdsmia> ...your...

19:58 <CoderForLife> a todo list is where you record what you actually did by writing on the list, and then immediately crossing it off

19:58 <CoderForLife> it has nothing "todo" with intentions

20:00 <PovAddict> lol

20:00 <wdsmia> so thats what I have been doing wrong for years

20:00 <PovAddict> that's the good thing digital todo lists have...

20:00 <PovAddict> you can completely delete items, not only cross them off

20:00 <PovAddict> I delete them when I finish them, or when I decide I won't do them anytime soon

20:01 <wdsmia> your suppost to wright them down?

20:02 <CoderForLife> that's only to fool yourself into thinking that you're accomplishing anything at all

20:03 <CoderForLife> I find it more satisfying to maintain a "todont" list

20:03 <PovAddict> :)

20:04 <CoderForLife> I manage to get to most items each day

20:04 <wdsmia> lol

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20:06 <Pyroraptor> hi, I'm running boinc on linux from commandline, how can I pause it?

20:06 <Pyroraptor> I can't find it anywhere in the wiki

20:07 <PovAddict> &bw BoincCmd

20:07 <Romulus>

20:07 <PovAddict> specifically, you want --set_run_mode

20:07 <Pyroraptor> oh, it'll ask?

20:08 <PovAddict> "boinc_cmd --set_run_mode never" pauses it

20:08 <PovAddict> "always" (or "auto") instead of "never" resumes it

20:08 <Pyroraptor> great

20:09 <Pyroraptor> it gives me an auto failude, -155

20:09 <Pyroraptor> auth*

20:09 <PovAddict> how did you install BOINC?

20:10 <Pyroraptor> I think I got it via apt-get, it was about a month ago

20:11 <PovAddict> the password is in gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:11 <PovAddict> /var/lib/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:11 <Pyroraptor> and where would I give it my password

20:11 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --passwd <password> --set_run_mode...

20:12 <Pyroraptor> sorry, I haven't used boinc past setting it up

20:12 <Pyroraptor> hmmm, that file doesn't exist

20:12 <PovAddict> oops

20:12 <PovAddict> /var/lib/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:13 <Pyroraptor> when I access that, it says permission denied, even with sudo

20:14 <PovAddict> even with sudo? how are you trying to read it?

20:14 <Pyroraptor> oh wait, with sudo it shows as blank

20:14 <Pyroraptor> cat and nano

20:14 <PovAddict> (from a normal user you won't be able to read it, that's the idea; what good is a password if anyone can see what it is?)

20:15 <PovAddict> and yeah, should be blank by default; in which case I don't know why it gives auth failure :S

20:15 <PovAddict> &boincerr -155

20:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: authentication error

20:15 <Romulus> are chocolate bunnies that expensive over there?

20:15 <Pyroraptor> hm, bizarro.

20:16 <PovAddict> works for me

20:16 <Pyroraptor> not for me however :P

20:17 <PovAddict> try boinc_cmd --get_project_status

20:17 <Pyroraptor> ooo, another -155

20:18 <PovAddict> ls -l  etc/b/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:18 <PovAddict> argh

20:18 <PovAddict> ls -l  /etc/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

20:18 <PovAddict> does it show as 1 byte size?

20:19 <Pyroraptor> -rw-r----- 1

20:19 <Pyroraptor> yep

20:22 <Pyroraptor> is there a way I could like, force kill it

20:22 <PovAddict> /etc/init.d/boinc-client stop

20:22 <PovAddict> it will gracefully quit

20:22 <Pyroraptor> yeah, I'll just do that

20:23 <Pyroraptor> curing cancer has been fun and all, but summer is coming fast and I have no air conditioning in my room

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20:23 <PovAddict> as opposed to pausing, which usually keeps applications in memory (helps avoid wasted computation), and still lets the client do network

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20:54 <CoderForLife> little rain shower in the area

20:54 <CoderForLife> off to bed - made great progress today

20:54 <CoderForLife> cya folks

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21:59 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

21:59 <Tank_Master> &more

21:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 83.7F / 28.7C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the 50s. West wind 10 to 15 mph becoming light after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. Light wind...becoming northwest 5 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 50 to 55. (1 more message)

21:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph...decreasing overnight.;

21:59 <Romulus> where's my iphone BOINC client? i need help

21:59 <efc> moo

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22:16 * KathrynM is back (gone 10:44:24)

22:16 <Tank_Master> wb

22:16 <KathrynM> thx

22:16 <KathrynM> gonna try to be productive.  I've got a pile of thank you notes to write

22:17 <Tank_Master> ahh

22:17 <Tank_Master> sounds fun

22:17 <KathrynM> getting gifts is great.  writing thank you notes sucks

22:17 <wdsmia> asks KathrynM to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:17 <Tank_Master> haha

22:17 * KathrynM hangs her head in shame

22:18 <wdsmia> another one bites the dust

22:18 <KathrynM>

22:18 <Romulus> <> (at

22:21 <Tank_Master> you have lots of lipstick now

22:21 <Tank_Master> LOL

22:22 <Tank_Master> I read "Andy gave me a parasol" as "Andy gave me a pistal"

22:23 <PovAddict> ......

22:23 <KathrynM> yeah.  and like I ever wear makeup

22:23 <KathrynM> LOL TM.  I could use a pistal some days

22:23 <PovAddict> KathrynM: well you got just as many chocolate

22:23 <KathrynM> let me tell you.  chocolate is a good thing

22:23 <KathrynM> ginsing candy.  not so much

22:23 <PovAddict> 'sif I didn't know

22:23 <KathrynM> tastes like dirt

22:23 <PovAddict> lol

22:24 <KathrynM> but "it's good for health"

22:24 <PovAddict> ahh that explains it

22:24 <PovAddict> it's *candy*

22:24 <PovAddict> which is usually bad for health

22:24 <PovAddict> if it's good, it must taste bad to compensate

22:24 <KathrynM> :D

22:24 <PovAddict> I heard something like

22:25 <PovAddict> "all good things are either expensive, high in calories, or cause pregnancy"

22:25 <KathrynM> It's a good thing I wasn't drinking anything right now.  Because it would have gotten sprayed all over the computer.

22:26 <PovAddict> lol

22:26 * Tank_Master has never taken or eaten anything that resulted in his own pregnancy

22:26 <Romulus> the compiler doesn't support Latin (Spanish) characters

22:26 * KathrynM hopes Tank_Master never has been pregnant

22:26 <Tank_Master> or ever will be

22:26 <PovAddict> argh laughing my lungs out is painful

22:27 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: men rarely get pregnant y'know

22:27 <Tank_Master> it doesnt hurt as much if you keep the lungs on the inside

22:27 * KathrynM thinks it might do some good if men could get pregnant

22:27 <Tank_Master> you mean it has happened?

22:27 <PovAddict> KathrynM: I remember in some movie

22:27 * Tank_Master doesnt agree

22:28 <PovAddict> woman rushing to the car

22:28 <KathrynM> of course.  haven't you ever seen "Junior"

22:28 <PovAddict> to get to the hospital

22:28 <PovAddict> super-stressed-looking man getting into the car

22:28 <PovAddict> stressed from having to cope with pregnant wife

22:28 <PovAddict> and a neighbor saying "you better hurry before one of you has the baby"

22:28 <Tank_Master> yes, thats the worst part

22:29 <Tank_Master> haveing to cope with "them" being pregnant

22:29 * KathrynM thinks Tank_Master should quit while he's ahead

22:29 <Tank_Master> LOL

22:29 <Tank_Master> hey, at lest your body puts out chemicals that help make you forget the hole ordeal

22:30 * KathrynM wouldn't know

22:30 <Tank_Master> we dont

22:30 * KathrynM will never know

22:30 <Tank_Master> never?

22:30 <KathrynM> never

22:30 <KathrynM> can you imagine me as a mother?

22:31 <Tank_Master> yes

22:31 <KathrynM> best part of being a teacher is sending the kids home at the end of the day

22:31 <Tank_Master> as long as your kids dont give you a pistol, the will be fine

22:31 <Tank_Master> they*

22:31 <KathrynM> lol

22:32 <Romulus> meaning there a way to spend some time..

22:32 * KathrynM decides to put her vitamin c candy away before she chokes

22:32 <PovAddict> you'd do well as a mother

22:32 <PovAddict> ...some fraction of the time at least

22:32 <KathrynM> < 1%

22:33 <PovAddict> nah I think probably more

22:33 <PovAddict> but anyway

22:33 <PovAddict> can't be done

22:33 <Tank_Master> 1.01%

22:33 <PovAddict> there's no part-time choice for the "mom" job

22:33 <KathrynM> which is why the teacher job is perfect

22:33 <PovAddict> lol

22:33 <Tank_Master> its called "your going to grandma's"

22:34 <KathrynM> :D

22:38 * KathrynM takes a scrabble break

22:38 <Tank_Master> quiet now

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22:58 <KathrynM> hiya jackygrahamez_

23:08 <efc> moo

23:09 <KathrynM> oink

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