IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-05-21

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00:50 <freelarry> dang it all - took one machine down to clean and now its dead

00:51 <freelarry> will have to build another one to replace it

00:51 <freelarry> so much for scsi drive machine - wheres the lilies

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01:35 <BadBarbarian> :-(

01:50 <freelarry> evening BadBarbarian

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01:57 <BadBarbarian> hi was afk

01:57 <freelarry> twas ok

01:58 <freelarry> holding funeral here for old scsi machine

01:58 <BadBarbarian> had to stop my cruncher the temp got to high never buy a viva water system

01:58 <freelarry> k - thinking of replacing mine with another quad

01:59 <BadBarbarian> going to rip it apert tomarroe got a big typhoon waiting to go is

01:59 <freelarry> the 3.2 ht got to 78C - stopped it and cleaned - somehow killed it

01:59 <BadBarbarian> the q6600's are dropping in price

01:59 <BadBarbarian> seen a cpu for 150.00

02:00 <freelarry> good got one already for upgrade on different machine that died - thier are excellent

02:00 <freelarry> they

02:01 <freelarry> but don't think i'll try to run scsi's again as very old controller board

02:01 <BadBarbarian> rs is very good credit getting 8000 ran on my quad

02:01 <freelarry> currently installing xp home in virtual machine

02:01 <BadBarbarian> running xp 64

02:01 <freelarry> ;0

02:02 <freelarry> got that here on two machines - will probably put on replacement too

02:02 <freelarry> not thrilled with idea of buying vista

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02:03 <freelarry> xp home virtual on xp 64 machine

02:03 <freelarry> single processor tho

02:04 <freelarry> amd 3500

02:05 <freelarry> needed to do it so could run some games on that machine that don't like 64 bit os

02:14 <BadBarbarian> cool

02:22 <efc> wow, $200-$300 for the Via mini ITX type things, Atom sounds a lot better

02:25 <Soul_keeper> the isahia core will be competitive when it finally hits shelves

02:25 <BadBarbarian> will they crunch

02:25 <Soul_keeper>

02:25 <Romulus> Title: VIA Isaiah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

02:26 <Soul_keeper> big step up from the c7

02:27 <BadBarbarian> i see

02:27 <Soul_keeper> the C7 is at best clock for clock competitive with the P3

02:29 <efc> sounds like Atom is about as good as a Pentium M at twice the clock

02:29 <efc> and the are 1.6 ghz (@4watts)

02:29 <efc> The crunch/watt is probably very good

02:29 <Soul_keeper> Isaiah should match atom performance

02:30 <Soul_keeper> unless i was lied to ...

02:30 <Soul_keeper> maybe beat it

02:31 <efc> That rehashed Cyrix junk always sounded good but never performed

02:31 <Soul_keeper> via tends to take a year or two to get things to market tho

02:31 <efc> Also the boards are pretty expensive for what they are

02:31 <Soul_keeper> heck they are still selling C3's

02:32 <efc> compared to say:

02:32 <Romulus> <> (at

02:32 <Romulus> is upgrading his machines were hidden

02:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah

02:33 <efc> Would be good for my always-on tasks (plus a little side crunching)

02:33 <efc> although that mb is still not well adapted for low power

02:34 <efc> 4 watts for CPU, 13 for northbridge

02:37 <freelarry> well that was a bust - game still gives same error code - doesn't like video driver i guess

02:37 <Soul_keeper> it costs intel 8 dollars to make an atom cpu

02:38 <Soul_keeper> they'll be selling for like 100-200+

02:38 <efc> that board is $80, with CPU it looks like

02:39 <Soul_keeper> ahhh it is atom, nice

02:39 <Soul_keeper> buy it :)

02:39 <efc> The things are so tiny that they are fairly cheap to make apparently

02:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah imagine how many of them they can fit on a 300mm waffer

02:41 <efc> They just need some more specialized chipsets that don't use 3X more power than the cpu hehe

02:41 <efc> that northbridge is a 130 nm part

02:41 <Soul_keeper> ~2500 chips to fit on a single 300mm diameter wafer

02:41 <Romulus> A thousand odd miles inland and summer is hotter and winter is colder.

02:41 <efc> the Anand review said they were running Vista + unreal tourny 2004 on it "smoothly"

02:42 <efc> Not sure what that means but it sounds good

02:42 <Soul_keeper> 47 million transistor, 25mm2

02:42 <Soul_keeper> it's probably on par with the core solo performance

02:43 <Soul_keeper> it's designed for these new MIDs and UMPCs

02:44 <Soul_keeper> AMD's geode was kinda dissapointing, seemed to never go anywhere,  amd has already stated that it's not really a priority

02:45 <efc> I looked at that one too.. Sounded ok, didn't see as much info

02:45 <Soul_keeper> it's like  600MHz probably on par with the early athlons i believe

02:46 <efc> If software hadn't gotten so bad, a couple hundred MHz would probably be good enough for almost everything but games

02:46 <Soul_keeper> was supposed to be in that OLPC thing

02:46 <efc> 486-66 ought to be able to run a GUI no problem

02:47 <Soul_keeper> yeah you can still have a fairly impressive desktop in linux on a old sub 500mhz system

02:48 <Soul_keeper> i stopped short of saying p133/i486/i386  because my defintion of impressive/usable is slightly realistic

02:48 <Soul_keeper> :)

02:49 <efc> Guy at my dorm had '95 on a 486-66, it was fine

02:49 <efc> Maybe bump that up a bit considering using 32 bit everything

02:49 <efc> so say p-200

02:49 <efc> It does seem like they get slower over time

02:49 <Soul_keeper> i still havn't trying anything in 64-bit, no real desire to

02:50 <efc> P3-600 here doesn't seem as fast as it used to be, even though its got a gig of ram now

02:50 <efc> maybe cuz the windows installation is 7 years old

02:51 <Soul_keeper> i don't think i could put up with anything slower than an athlon xp for a desktop

02:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah his pagefile/registry is probably massive

02:51 <Soul_keeper> probably has a 500MB registry  lol

02:51 <efc> Yeah, I ought to wipe it sometime

02:52 <Soul_keeper> i've gotten to the point where i don't even run my old computers, the performance/watt ratio just don't justify it

02:53 <Soul_keeper> my P4 and athlonxp  just stayed turned off

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02:53 <efc> yeah would like to retire the p4 kilowatt-sucker

02:53 <Soul_keeper> i retired them with two c2d systems

02:54 <Soul_keeper> i got a  kill-o-watt  wattage reader and measured my systems

02:54 <efc> OT: Gotta like this in the UK:

02:54 <Romulus> Title: ART FOR A CHANGE - "Secure beneath watchful eyes" (at

02:55 <Soul_keeper> c2d @3GHZ idle/load  65/135watts

02:55 <Soul_keeper> c2d@3GHz with gaming vid card and stuff    184/320watts

02:56 <Soul_keeper> opp that was the P4's wattage

02:56 <Soul_keeper> c2d@3GHz with gaming vid card and stuff    121/225watts

02:56 <efc> not bad.. a lot for the video card though

02:56 <Soul_keeper> so basically nearly 4x the boinc output for 1/3rd less power usage

02:58 <efc> Mmm

02:58 <Soul_keeper> yeah i like knowing that my c2d when running headless pulls the wattage of 1 light bulb when idle, and 2 when under load

02:58 <efc> I was thinking a quad, maybe even better..

02:59 <efc> but what I have is good enough so dunno when i'll change

02:59 <Soul_keeper> i just wish i could run boinc on my 3870 vid card

02:59 <Soul_keeper> that'd be nice

02:59 <Soul_keeper> i spent all my upgrade money for the year already :)

03:00 <efc> i haven't worked any more on the FPGA stuff. Its going to take forever and not sure by the time i finish they wouldn't have 16 core and make it pointless

03:00 <Soul_keeper> heh

03:00 <Soul_keeper> what's  FPGA  ?

03:00 <efc> customizable chip

03:01 <Soul_keeper> are you a one-man fabless chip company ?

03:01 <efc> they are basically a giant array of gates that you configure however you want

03:02 <efc> So yeah one person doesn't have to put much capital into it

03:02 <Soul_keeper> i wonder how much it would cost to have tsmc or someone make you a chip if you gave them the design specs ...

03:03 <efc> Probably a million $ per spin, on an old process

03:03 <Soul_keeper> well transmeta used to make cpu's and they were a really small company

03:03 <efc> You don't get the latest greatest process

03:03 <efc> probably 90 nm is the newest you'd reasonable get a hold of

03:04 <efc> which admitedly would beat the tar out of a FPGA, but they are still much more flexible

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03:04 <Soul_keeper> well you could always make a massive die size with lotsa of cache

03:05 <efc> the difficulty doing seti@home is that the is a ton of code to put in hardware

03:05 <Soul_keeper> you wouldn't have the same cost/chip constraints or profit margins to worry about if you weren't selling them

03:05 <efc> the FPGAs are $10-20, so very economical for small runs

03:05 <efc> reconfigure as many times as you want (even while they are running)

03:06 <Soul_keeper> cool

03:06 <efc> there are fancy high end versions that are faster for $thousands, but not my market

03:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah

03:07 <Soul_keeper> welp i gotta go to sleep

03:07 <Soul_keeper> keep up the good work, lookin' good

03:09 <efc> Night Soul

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03:11 <efc> I got hung up on calculating sine and cosine in hardware

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03:11 <efc> pain in the A$$

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04:11 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 46.2F / 7.9C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. A slight chance of showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent. ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds (1 more message)

04:13 <CoderForLife> &more

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming light west winds after midnight. ; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. ;

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04:29 <efc> that was quite the storm that blew through

04:40 <CoderForLife> did you quiet the storm?

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04:48 <efc> quiet or i'll quit quite quickly

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06:22 <desti>

06:22 <Romulus> <> (at

06:27 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:27 <KathrynM> ugh

06:33 <hawmps> indeed

06:52 <desti>

06:52 <Romulus> <> (at

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09:39 <CoderForLife> re-hi

09:39 <CoderForLife> home to meet (hopefully) with the civil engineer

09:40 <CoderForLife> he's due in 20 minutes

09:41 <Tank_Master> he's pregnent?

09:42 <CoderForLife> yeah - he's supposed to give birth to a wall plan

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09:42 <Tank_Master> lol

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10:04 <jackygrahamez> hi

10:04 <Tank_Master> hey

10:04 <KathrynM> hey jack

10:04 <Tank_Master> KM!

10:05 <jackygrahamez> Hi Kathryn :-)

10:05 <jackygrahamez> Hi Tank

10:05 <KathrynM> TM!

10:05 <Romulus> Getting a sore throat :/

10:06 <Tank_Master> then stop talking

10:06 <KathrynM> lol

10:06 <jackygrahamez> How does Romulus get a sore throat?

10:06 <Tank_Master> LOL

10:06 <Tank_Master> what? cant he get a virus to?

10:07 <KathrynM> :D

10:11 <hawmps> I'll call the bit doctor later..

10:11 <Tank_Master> just as long as its not a 2-bit doctor

10:27 <hawmps> right again

10:27 <Romulus> seti is taking a char* as argument

10:28 <jackygrahamez> Romulus take a nap, we don't want you to die

10:28 <Romulus> I don't know.

10:28 <Tank_Master> speak for yourself

10:29 <Tank_Master> :P

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10:44 <Tank_Master> Romulus, do you know anything?

10:44 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

10:44 <Tank_Master> Romulus do you know anything?

10:44 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).

10:45 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

10:45 <Tank_Master> &more

10:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 50.5F / 10.3C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs 55 to 60. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers. Lows around 45. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. ; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around (1 more message)

10:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 60. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. ;

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10:54 <Tank_Master> wb

10:54 <KathrynM> thx.  had to restart x

10:55 <KathrynM> kde acting funky

10:56 <Tank_Master> you should upgrade to windows

10:56 * KathrynM shudders

10:56 <Tank_Master> lol

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11:21 * KathrynM decides to go to bed

11:21 <KathrynM> &nn

11:21 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

11:21 <Tank_Master> gn

11:30 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez, uc is running fine for me after reattaching

11:32 <jackygrahamez> sweet

11:32 <Tank_Master> uc?

11:32 <PovAddict> bed?

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11:32 <Tank_Master> LOL

11:33 <Tank_Master> bed, chair, same thing

11:33 <Tank_Master> you can sleep in both

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11:39 * freelarry thinks its all PovAddict fault

11:39 <PovAddict> ...

11:39 <PovAddict> it always is

11:39 <freelarry> morning PovAddict Tank_Master KathrynM

11:39 * Tank_Master knows it is

11:39 <Tank_Master> hi fl

11:40 <freelarry> lol - not this time PovAddict - tried to clean a machine last night and killed it instead

11:40 <Tank_Master> but it IS clean, right?

11:40 <freelarry> so now contemplatng next build to replace it

11:40 <PovAddict> as clean as the dead can be

11:40 <PovAddict> freelarry: how badly killed?

11:41 <freelarry> yup and has 3 frozen case fans and destroyed cpu fan too

11:41 <freelarry> think the fuse in ps blew when i tried to restart it

11:41 <Tank_Master> ouch

11:41 <freelarry> on old hot prescott ht cpu so time to replace anyway

11:42 <Tank_Master> yeah

11:42 <Tank_Master> got a 45nm core2quad

11:42 * freelarry is eyeballing a new quad as replacement

11:42 <Tank_Master> if you can find one

11:42 <freelarry> probably just get a q6600

11:42 <PovAddict> yours

11:43 <Tank_Master> once you go to a quad, youll wonder what use a P4 has

11:43 <freelarry> i will be looking after i get out of ultrasound clinic today

11:43 <freelarry> lol - space heater Tank_Master

11:43 <Tank_Master> :P

11:44 <freelarry> gots one q6600 already

11:44 <freelarry> shouldn't need that old thermaltake case anymore either

11:44 * freelarry blasted heavy brick

11:45 <Tank_Master> try a fulltowner thats all sheet mettle

11:45 <freelarry> and with the vast improvements of hd's will not reuse the 3 scsi drives in it either

11:45 <Tank_Master> THATS heavy

11:45 <freelarry> lol the thermaltake is full tower

11:46 <Tank_Master> yeah, my next system will have the 320GB raptors

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11:46 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo!

11:47 <freelarry> thinking just going with one 750 gig sata myself -- morning yoyo[RKN] -when is there going to be work ;p

11:47 * freelarry could say the same for a number of projects that i'm attached to

11:48 <freelarry> well time to commute to hospital - tca

11:48 <Tank_Master> hf!

11:48 <Tank_Master> enjoy boing on the bleeding edge of technology!

11:48 <Tank_Master> being*

11:48 * freelarry is already shaking with thought of conductive gel they use for ultrasound probe

11:49 <Tank_Master> lol

11:49 <freelarry> its freezing to skin

11:49 <Tank_Master> good thermal conductor?

11:49 <freelarry> yeah

11:49 <Tank_Master> nice

11:50 * freelarry wonders if they will be able to find the fourth artery that wasn't found last time i had one of these done

11:50 <Tank_Master> heh

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12:43 <CoderForLife> they've left

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12:47 <CoderForLife> and I'm going back to w@#%

12:47 <CoderForLife> laterz

12:52 <Tank_Master> hf

13:04 <PovAddict> mmm

13:04 <PovAddict> we had some ice cream left \o/

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13:06 <CoderForLife> thx - not possible Tank_Master

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13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> wb DerMeister

13:31 <PovAddict> &ping

13:31 <Romulus> pong

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13:36 <BadBarbarian> $pong

13:36 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

13:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 60F / 15.6C | Humidity: 27% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Windy. Not as warm. Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs around 57 on the North Rim to around 92 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph increasing (2 more messages)

13:36 <BadBarbarian> &more

13:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: to west 20 to 30 mph in the late morning and afternoon. ; Tonight - Windy. Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows around 24 on the North Rim to around 55 along the Colorado River. West winds 20 to 30 mph becoming light. ; Thursday - Much cooler. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers and thunderstorms. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 7000 (1 more message)

13:36 <BadBarbarian> &more

13:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: feet. Highs around 43 on the North Rim to around 79 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 50 percent. ;

13:36 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

13:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 69.4F / 20.8C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny with isolated showers. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 50. West winds 5 to (1 more message)

13:37 <jackygrahamez> &more

13:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 10 mph. ; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph. ;

13:44 <exco> if I subscribe to 2 different projects and one doesn't have any work - does the other one run full time even if work is divided 50:50?

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13:58 <PovAddict> exco: of course

13:58 <PovAddict> it won't leave 50% idle :)

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14:18 <exco> thanks, PovAddict.

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15:57 <freelarry> b

15:57 <freelarry> replacement machine will be available after w/*- tommorow

15:58 * freelarry wonders what to call second quad machine?

15:59 <freelarry> dumbo?

15:59 <xcamel> 'lo

15:59 <freelarry> lo xcamel

15:59 <xcamel> Hi Larry

16:00 <freelarry> lost another p4 ht'er quad replacement on way here

16:01 <freelarry> stopped at store and ordered what i wanted - half assembled already - they will have it tested by time i go in tomorrow

16:01 <freelarry> just need to install os when i get home

16:02 <xcamel> out with the old..

16:02 <freelarry> yup didn't want to tear apart and fix

16:02 <xcamel> I hear that..

16:02 <freelarry> figure ps lost fuse in it

16:03 <freelarry> and scsi drives heating the room to much

16:03 <freelarry> new machine <1000

16:04 <freelarry> q6600 w/4 gig memory and 500gig hd - fairly new standard vid card with zalman cooler

16:05 <freelarry> hope it last 4 to 5 years like what its replacing

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16:05 <freelarry> believe its fsb of 1333

16:06 * freelarry looks around for crunching song

16:07 <xcamel> sounds like a good box..

16:07 <freelarry> should be

16:07 <PovAddict> wow 700 pendings on primegrid, with a single box crunching it

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16:08 <freelarry> lol yeah pending can build up fast - had a few pending finally clear and got 11000+credit today

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16:47 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

16:50 <Tank_Master> wb'

16:50 <Tank_Master> doh!

16:51 <Tank_Master> download fialed for my hydrogen WUs

16:51 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 1:49:48 PM|Hydrogen@Home|[sched_op_debug] Reason: Unrecoverable error for result uc_1211341465_26052_1 (app_version download error: couldn't get input files:<file_xfer_error>  <file_name>uppercase_3.1_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>  <error_code>-120</error_code>  <error_message>signature verification failed</error_message></file_xfer_error>)

16:51 <KathrynM> moanin

16:51 <jackygrahamez> hey

16:52 <KathrynM> hiya jack

16:52 <Tank_Master> jacky!

16:52 <jackygrahamez> did you try reattaching?

16:52 <Tank_Master> rewhat?

16:52 <jackygrahamez> Hydrogen?

16:52 <Tank_Master> :P

16:53 <jackygrahamez> :-@

16:53 <Tank_Master> ill have to log into BAM! first

16:53 <Tank_Master> after I post a note on my team's MB that someone screwed up hydrogen again

16:53 <Tank_Master> ;)

16:55 <jackygrahamez> That emote reminds me of Dramatic Chipmunk

16:55 <Romulus> <> (at

16:55 <Saenger> I detached/reattached via BAM!, deleted my host. but get no work

16:55 <jackygrahamez> ok I believe you

16:55 <KathrynM> jack doesn't like you Saenger :p

16:56 <Saenger> I think so ;)

16:56 <jackygrahamez> Turn up the resource allocation a wee bit

16:56 * KathrynM thinks a bit more sleep would do her good

16:56 <jackygrahamez> Temporarily

16:56 <Saenger> is my 100% not enough?

16:56 <KathrynM> I think I hit my daily quota jack :-)

16:56 <jackygrahamez> Hmm give it 110%

16:56 <Tank_Master> sleep is for the weak

16:56 <jackygrahamez> ?

16:56 <PovAddict> Saenger: that's the only project you have attached?

16:56 <jackygrahamez> Just kidding

16:56 <KathrynM> Saenger likes to live on the wild side :)

16:56 <Saenger> only one??? no way!!!

16:57 * KathrynM disappears

16:57 <KathrynM> *poof*

16:57 <Tank_Master> you mean theres mroe than one project?

16:57 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

16:57 <PovAddict> Saenger: the only way your share can be 100% is if it's the only project you have

16:58 <PovAddict> two projects with resource share 100 or two projects with 2 mean the same: 50% for each

16:58 <Saenger> the share? it's 1.74% of the attached projects, but some of them are at nnw

16:59 <Tank_Master> ok, detached and reattached

16:59 <Tank_Master> happy now?

16:59 <Tank_Master> ;)

16:59 <Saenger> I get this messages (loke I posted in the forum):

16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.  Requesting 11567 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent

16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected.  Please check your settings on the web site

17:00 <Saenger> I have not selected any application, nor is it even possible with hydro

17:00 <jackygrahamez> What is your user id?

17:00 <Saenger> 388

17:02 <jackygrahamez> try reattaching again

17:02 <Romulus> I think it flows a little

17:02 <Saenger> detach first?

17:02 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:00:08 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 28 results)

17:02 <jackygrahamez> yes

17:03 <Saenger> that will take some time, BAM! always let's all other projects contact home with a new attached one ;)

17:03 <Tank_Master> do you want me to change my host ID, or is there some other way I can get work?

17:03 <Saenger> but it's only 20 ;)

17:05 <jackygrahamez> ok so Tank its still not working for you?

17:05 <Tank_Master> dunno

17:05 <Tank_Master> reached quota

17:05 <jackygrahamez> oh

17:05 <Tank_Master> so it wont let me to try and d/l mor

17:05 <Tank_Master> e

17:05 <jackygrahamez> what quota did it say?

17:05 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:00:08 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 28 results)

17:05 <Tank_Master> (its a quad core)

17:06 <jackygrahamez> I had that problem disappear when I deleted my host

17:06 <jackygrahamez> So if you can't delete it, I will do it for you

17:06 <Saenger> been there done that, now I have to wait for 19 projects to contact home before hydro will try again

17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> think quota is stored in host table

17:07 <Saenger> and that includes the currently offline milkyway ;)

17:07 <jackygrahamez> let me check

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> me too ;)

17:08 <jackygrahamez> indeed

17:08 <yoyo[RKN]> which

17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> nresults_today?

17:09 <Tank_Master> I can just change the host ID

17:09 <Tank_Master> dont that way to meny times in the past

17:09 <Tank_Master> done*

17:10 <jackygrahamez> I updated max_results_day

17:10 <jackygrahamez> to 100

17:11 <Tank_Master> its trying to update LHC atm

17:12 <Tank_Master> which is probably down and I am going to have to wite for it to time out

17:12 <Saenger> dito ;)

17:13 <Tank_Master> I wish it would time out quicker

17:13 <Saenger> mine is through just now:

17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:36 CEST||Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.  Requesting 1 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent

17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected.  Please check your settings on the web site

17:13 <Tank_Master> waa?? o.O?

17:13 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:12:59 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

17:14 <Tank_Master> stupid BOINC

17:14 <Tank_Master> BAD BOINC!

17:14 <jackygrahamez> Its teething

17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:17 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.  Requesting 11491 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks

17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent

17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected.  Please check your settings on the web site

17:14 <PovAddict> that error definitely won't be solved by just a reattach :)

17:15 <PovAddict> only the code signature thing would be...

17:15 <jackygrahamez> your using linux right Saenger?

17:15 <Saenger> ubuntu 8.04 64

17:15 <Tank_Master> wee, its downloading

17:16 <Tank_Master> just got a crapload to

17:16 <Saenger> just a wee bit or real stuff?

17:16 <Tank_Master> estimating at 5m28s

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17:17 <jackygrahamez> I got some successes on Linux

17:18 <Tank_Master> haha

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17:18 <Tank_Master> they are taking 7-8s

17:18 <Tank_Master> some 9s

17:18 <jackygrahamez> yes I'm just running the sample_workunit_generator until we get everyone on the same key

17:18 <Saenger> uppercase to UPPERCASE

17:19 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:20 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: fix those estimates!

17:21 <PovAddict> if they take 10 seconds but estimate at 5 minutes, the DCF will go crazy

17:21 <PovAddict> which would cause super-low estimates when you put in the real app

17:21 <Tank_Master> not one has taken 10 sec

17:22 <PovAddict> &google calc 5 minutes 28 seconds / 8 seconds

17:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: (5 minutes 28 seconds) / (8 seconds) = 41

17:22 <PovAddict> lol

17:22 <PovAddict> DCF of 41

17:22 <jackygrahamez> estimate 41 seconds?

17:23 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no, you're estimating 41 *times* higher than you should

17:23 <Tank_Master> its not getting more work

17:23 <Tank_Master> did I chew it all up?

17:27 <desti>

17:27 <Romulus> <> (at

17:28 <jackygrahamez> the template says <command_line>-cpu_time 10</command_line>

17:30 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: your rsc_fpops_est is what is wrong by a factor of 40

17:32 <jackygrahamez> It must be using a default value, I'll enter a small value of 100?

17:32 <PovAddict> 100 would mean some milliseconds...

17:32 <jackygrahamez> ahh

17:32 <jackygrahamez> 100000

17:33 <PovAddict> on my computer, 919174252 is 1 second

17:34 <jackygrahamez> 10e^11

17:34 <PovAddict> hmm 912 floating point MIPS that seems low...

17:34 * PovAddict might compile his own core client to get some decent benchmarks

17:34 <Tank_Master> 3047725702 flops is one second for me

17:34 <yoyo[RKN]> problem is that uppercase runs 10minutes independend of the fpops of the computer

17:35 <Tank_Master> if thats so, then why is it only takeint 7-9 sec?

17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> because jackygrahamez didn't use the -cpu_time option yet

17:35 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: 5 minutes is still way too big of an estimate

17:36 <jackygrahamez> <rsc_fpops_est>10000000000</rsc_fpops_est>

17:36 <xcamel> cool:

17:36 <xcamel>

17:36 <Romulus> Title: 100 Explosions on the Moon (at

17:37 <PovAddict> I'll compare with my Windows client

17:37 <Tank_Master> 30477257020 would be a better number

17:37 <PovAddict> &google calc 10000000000 / 2202263920

17:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 10,000,000,000 / 2,202,263,920 = 4.54078183

17:37 <Tank_Master> thats 10 sec on mine

17:37 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: for the estimate?

17:37 <Tank_Master> and they are taking 7-9 sec

17:37 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:37 <PovAddict> &google calc 30477257020 / 2202263920

17:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 30,477,257,020 / 2,202,263,920 = 13.8390575

17:37 <jackygrahamez> ok one more order of maginitude?

17:38 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no just about twice what you suggested before

17:38 <PovAddict> or three times

17:38 <Tank_Master> 30477257020

17:38 <Tank_Master> 10000000000

17:38 <PovAddict> or that

17:38 <Tank_Master> 3x

17:38 <PovAddict> it's just an estimate anyway...

17:38 <Tank_Master> 30000000000 would work great

17:38 <PovAddict> and like yoyo[RKN] said, uppercase runs always 10 seconds regardless of computer speed, so the estimate *will* be off in some computer

17:39 <PovAddict> doesn't matter... just don't make it off by 10x :P

17:39 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:39 <jackygrahamez> try now I'm off to play softball

17:39 <Tank_Master> ok

17:40 <yoyo[RKN]> softball now, its 11:40pm here

17:40 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

17:41 <Tank_Master> hehe

17:41 <jackygrahamez> That's okay you can play with a glow in the dark ball

17:41 <jackygrahamez> And some black lights

17:42 <jackygrahamez> later alagator

17:42 <[B^S]renemayer> sunglasses at night

17:42 <[B^S]renemayer> sry ,-)

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17:42 <PovAddict> that reminded me of something :P

17:42 <PovAddict> I heard there are glow-in-the-dark condoms... sounds like fun

17:43 <Tank_Master> new estimates are now 26 sec

17:43 <[B^S]renemayer> got a cam to watch them?

17:43 <Tank_Master> still high, but not bad

17:43 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: well what's your DCF?

17:43 <Tank_Master> which file is that in?

17:44 <PovAddict> client_state.xml; <duration_correction_factor> within the hydrogen <project>

17:44 <CoderForLife> greetings to all silicon and carbon-based life forms

17:44 <Tank_Master> <duration_correction_factor>0.031483

17:44 <Tank_Master> hiya CFL

17:45 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

17:45 <yoyo[RKN]> should be 1, Tank_Master

17:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: try closing client, resetting the DCF to 1.0, and starting it back

17:45 <Tank_Master> well crap

17:45 <CoderForLife> brb after dinner

17:45 <CoderForLife> got to go eat with the carbon-based wife form

17:46 <CoderForLife> (C) 2008 CoderForLife

17:46 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : what is the state of your screensaver?

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17:47 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: PrimeGrid? already releasd

17:47 <PovAddict> -ed*

17:47 <yoyo[RKN]> I should download a wu

17:47 <Tank_Master> reset the value

17:47 <Tank_Master> back to 5m28s

17:48 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: then the estimate didn't get fixed; your client "fixed" it on its own

17:48 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:48 <Tank_Master> so it would seem

17:48 <PovAddict> probably there's still WUs with the old estimate on the queue

17:48 <PovAddict> o well

17:48 <Tank_Master> thats my hope

17:48 <yoyo[RKN]> which of the primegrid apps has the screensaver?

17:48 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: TPS LLR

17:48 <Tank_Master> the slower one

17:49 <PovAddict> and Windows-only

17:49 <MTughan> Although the OpenGL does work on Mac and Linux.

17:49 <PovAddict> (the code runs on Win/Lin/Mac, I just didn't compile it for anything other than Windows)

17:49 <MTughan> Heh... I'm installing packages to make packages.

17:49 <Tank_Master> sweet

17:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: what kind of packages? RPM?

17:50 <MTughan> I don't have BOINC graphics libraries on my Linux machine, but I do on my Mac.

17:50 <Tank_Master> was that aster you installed packages to install packages?

17:50 <Tank_Master> after*

17:50 <MTughan> I believe so.

17:50 <MTughan> No, the package to install packages was already installed.

17:50 <MTughan> lol...

17:50 <Tank_Master> nice

17:50 <Romulus> thx Pov, if you want to vomit

17:50 <MTughan> But I've got to go.

17:50 <Tank_Master> ok

17:50 <Tank_Master> tc

17:51 <MTughan> Uh, Rommie?

17:51 <PovAddict> wtF Romulus

17:51 <Tank_Master> ROFL

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17:58 <xcamel> what did you do... break it?

17:58 <xcamel> &ping

17:58 <Romulus> pong

17:59 <xcamel> false alarm..

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18:05 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:06 <Tank_Master> wb

18:08 <CoderForLife> back from din-din

18:08 <Tank_Master> hf

18:09 <CoderForLife> wattup

18:10 <CoderForLife> civil engineer cam today

18:10 <CoderForLife> er came

18:11 <Tank_Master> and?

18:11 <Romulus> hmm... and is with no internet for like a month, Tank_Master

18:11 <CoderForLife> pretty nifty laser device to get some elevations

18:11 <CoderForLife> took a bunch of data points

18:11 <CoderForLife> promises a wall plan the first of next week

18:12 <CoderForLife> it's going to be a big wall

18:13 <CoderForLife> I plan to sell tickets to tourists to pay for it

18:19 <xcamel> put up some of those $0.50 per view binocs...

18:20 <PovAddict> heh yep

18:20 <CoderForLife> a fine idea

18:20 <Tank_Master> 50c?

18:20 <Tank_Master> where are they still that cheep?

18:20 <xcamel> ok... $1

18:20 <CoderForLife> maybe point them at the neighbor's houses across the valley

18:21 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:21 <xcamel> if it's aimed at the bedroom...

18:21 <CoderForLife> or the sun deck

18:21 <Tank_Master> the pool

18:21 <CoderForLife> the pools are too far away

18:21 <Romulus> WHAT?!?! mmmmmmmmmm well what a waste

18:22 <xcamel> $2 telescope

18:22 <CoderForLife> ah - a thought

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18:23 <CoderForLife> the guys from w@#% that have been over have commented on the feminine population they've seen walking/jogging on the streets

18:23 <CoderForLife> I, of course, am oblivious to all that

18:23 <Ageless93> unless they walk by topless

18:24 <Tank_Master> lol

18:25 <CoderForLife> then I would be involved in a severe traffic accident

18:26 <Ageless93> you're not the only one, I bet

18:26 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:30 <CoderForLife> and then there would be the secondary collision

18:30 <CoderForLife> between my face and my wife's fist

18:31 <Ageless93> bossy missy

18:32 <Ageless93> when another woman flashes her boobs at you, what are you supposed to do then?

18:32 <CoderForLife> only for wrecking the car,  of course

18:32 <Ageless93> a car can be repaired, a nose fixed...

18:33 <CoderForLife> .on another (on-)topic, some LHC WUs are coming down

18:33 <PovAddict> :o

18:34 <Ageless93> hmm, am deferring.

18:34 <CoderForLife> I'll grab another one in 9 minutes

18:34 <Ageless93> I'll have to wait 15 minutes

18:34 <Ageless93> or 909 seconds as the server tells me so eloquently when I try an update ;)

18:35 <CoderForLife> stocking up for a rainy day, or until 5/28

18:35 * PovAddict attaches LHC

18:35 <PovAddict> looks like I got 1 WY

18:35 <PovAddict> WU*

18:35 <CoderForLife> congrats

18:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab

18:40 <xcamel> looks like none for me..

18:40 <Ageless93> hah, got some more back end code fixed.

18:48 <xcamel> flubbernutz.

18:48 <MTughan> Flubbernutz?

18:49 <Ageless93> do I want to know?

18:49 <MTughan> No.

18:49 <Ageless93> very old nutz...

18:52 <Ageless93> what's an Athlong processor?

18:53 <Ageless93> longer version of the Athlon?

18:53 <PovAddict> sounds like a typo

18:57 <Ageless93> anyone know offhand where cc_config.xml lives on a Macintosh?

18:57 <Ageless93> BOINC 5.10.45 for that matter (but on the Mac it's already using the separate directories, isn't it?)

18:58 <MTughan> /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data should be the dir.

18:58 <Ageless93> thanks

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19:10 <Ageless93> off to bed. night all

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19:15 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:18:20)

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19:23 * KathrynM bangs head on desk

19:23 <KathrynM> Passwords must be at least 6 characters long. They can only contain the characters a-z, A-Z, 0-9, -, _, contain no spaces, and cannot start with a zero.

19:24 <KathrynM> so the fact I want to use @ and * and ^ in a password ain't gonna happen

19:24 <KathrynM> so much for security

19:24 <PovAddict> "your password must be longer than 6 characters long, but it must be unsafe anyway"

19:24 <PovAddict> cannot start with a zero?! what kind of ridiculous limitation is that?

19:24 <KathrynM> somethin like that

19:24 <KathrynM> ask the photobucket folks

19:25 <PovAddict> I know of a website that doesn't allow special characters or spaces on passwords

19:25 <PovAddict> but that's because they have to interoperate with a dozen systems

19:25 <PovAddict> like FTP

19:25 <PovAddict> which don't allow spaces in passwords

19:25 <KathrynM> I can understand spaces.

19:25 <KathrynM> But why the hell no special charachters

19:26 <PovAddict> it's a good idea to allow spaces, lets you use a "passphrase"

19:26 <KathrynM> never thought of that

19:26 <PovAddict> "password" makes people think it has to be a word

19:26 <PovAddict> but what's wrong with "your security system sucks" as a password? it's longer than the average pw :)

19:26 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:27 <KathrynM> :D

19:27 <KathrynM> or suxs even

19:27 <KathrynM> suxes?

19:27 <KathrynM> suxz?

19:27 <PovAddict> suxx0rz

19:27 <KathrynM> lol

19:27 <Soul_keeper> suckatash !!!

19:28 <PovAddict> also, limiting *maximum* password length is stupid

19:28 <PovAddict> not even "it has to be shorter than 50 characters because that's how big the password field is on the database"... because it's a VERY bad idea to store the password in plaintext anyway

19:28 <PovAddict> and hashes are always the same length sooo...

19:28 <KathrynM> excuses excuses

19:29 <PovAddict> if I want to make a book contents my password, why not... (of course the browser should remember it or something :P)

19:29 <PovAddict> even though login might be slightly slower

19:29 <PovAddict> gotta upload 100KB of password

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19:30 <PovAddict> the biggest offender is definitely: forcing you to change the password periodically

19:31 <PovAddict> I definitely wouldn't be using a 14-character completely-random-looking password for GMail if I had to change it every month

19:32 <PovAddict> "password must have at least three numbers or special characters" rule sounds like it would make things safe, but if they make you change it monthly, people will always use stuff like "May08!@#"

19:32 <PovAddict> June08!@#

19:32 <PovAddict> ...

19:33 <KathrynM> never underestimate the stupidity of end users

19:33 <PovAddict> stupidity of end users? *I* would have such a silly password if I had to re-remember it every month

19:34 <KathrynM> lol

19:34 <PovAddict> those periodic change rules show the stupidity of whoever made it (usually a manager at a company)

19:34 <PovAddict> I don't know of public websites making you change pw periodically

19:34 <KathrynM> definitely never underestimate the stupidity of management

19:34 <PovAddict> but most companies make employees do it...

19:34 <KathrynM> my school is a case study of that

19:34 <PovAddict> there you go

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19:41 <KathrynM> new pic up

19:41 <KathrynM>

19:41 <Romulus> Title: ESL Teaching (at

19:41 <MTughan> Hey, can you speak any Korean?

19:41 <MTughan> We got a Korean here.

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19:42 <KathrynM> enough to be polite.

19:42 <KathrynM> in other words, no

19:42 <MTughan> Heh.

19:42 <xcamel> he speaks canadian

19:43 <xcamel> somehow, it keeps coming out english

19:43 <KathrynM> that's why I can't understand him sometimes

19:43 <KathrynM> :)

19:43 <KathrynM> The Americans haven't spoken English in a couple hundred years :)

19:43 <xcamel> must be a babelfish involved.

19:44 <PovAddict> unitedstatians

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19:50 <xcamel> unbelievable..

19:50 <xcamel> I just found the exact rf connector I was looking for..

19:50 <CoderForLife> evening KathrynM xcamel

19:50 <xcamel> N male to BNC female

19:51 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife

19:51 <xcamel> sitting right here in the parts cup on my desk..

19:51 <xcamel> 'lo Don

19:51 <CoderForLife> it was speaking to you

19:52 <xcamel> 11 bucks to order one on the net

19:52 <CoderForLife> money talks

19:52 <xcamel> RF Robery..

19:52 <CoderForLife> lol

19:52 <CoderForLife> I looked on eBay for Allan block

19:52 <xcamel> now I can combine my antenna inputs..

19:53 <CoderForLife> couldn't find even one

19:53 <xcamel> too bad..

19:53 <CoderForLife> yeah

19:53 <CoderForLife> gonna need a few thousand, I reeckon

19:53 <xcamel> did you catch that link to the "moon flashes" story?

19:53 <CoderForLife> reckon*

19:53 <CoderForLife> nope

19:53 <xcamel>

19:54 <Romulus> Title: 100 Explosions on the Moon (at

19:54 <CoderForLife> hmm looking

19:54 <CoderForLife> oh very interesting

19:54 <CoderForLife> wow

19:55 <xcamel> very cool

19:55 <Romulus> bash: .BOINC Manager: command not found

19:55 <xcamel> leave boinc alone, rom, it's running as a protected user.

19:55 <KathrynM> lol

19:56 <Romulus> says you da boss.

19:56 <xcamel> damn right.

19:56 <CoderForLife> I guess that's another worry for moon visitors

19:57 <CoderForLife> no atmosphere, little gravity, "dust that gets into just everything", and baseball size bombs

19:58 <CoderForLife> brb  grape soda time

20:00 <xcamel> just finished my coffee..

20:02 <xcamel> hmmm.. tornad not too far from efc today..

20:02 <xcamel> er tornado, even

20:03 <CoderForLife> yikes

20:03 * CoderForLife fears twisters

20:04 <CoderForLife> when I am most stressed or "threatened", I dream about tornados

20:05 <Soul_keeper>

20:05 <Romulus> <> (at

20:05 <Soul_keeper> cool

20:05 <KathrynM> 4 books = 13 dollars

20:06 <KathrynM> shipping for 4 books = 50 dollars

20:06 <KathrynM> gotta love shipping internationally

20:06 <Soul_keeper> nice

20:06 <KathrynM> amazon

20:06 <KathrynM> four books on science experiments for kids

20:07 <CoderForLife> yeah Soul_keeper - very cool - cold eveb

20:07 <CoderForLife> even*

20:07 * CoderForLife glares at his fingers

20:08 * KathrynM decides it's time for a shower

20:08 <KathrynM> can't stink for the munchkins

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20:08 <KathrynM> CoderForLife, did you see the link I posted a bit ago?

20:08 <CoderForLife> I'm going to drop off

20:08 <CoderForLife> oh um no

20:08 <CoderForLife> scroll up?

20:08 <KathrynM>

20:08 <Romulus> Title: ESL Teaching (at

20:08 <KathrynM> he's somewhere between 3.5 and 4 years old

20:08 <CoderForLife> yeow  big Pete

20:09 <KathrynM> and a lot cuter in person

20:09 <Soul_keeper> so you're a school teacher ?

20:09 <KathrynM> English as a second language

20:09 <KathrynM> in Korea

20:09 <Soul_keeper> nice

20:09 <KathrynM> thx

20:09 <KathrynM> laterz

20:09 <CoderForLife> cya

20:10 <CoderForLife> I'm gone away

20:10 <CoderForLife> laterz

20:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:46 <xcamel> &wx 12074

20:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 45.5F / 7.5C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers with a chance of thunderstorms this evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent. ; Thursday - Showers (1 more message)

20:46 <xcamel> &more

20:46 <Romulus> xcamel: likely. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent. ; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. ;

21:06 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 54.1F / 12.3C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 23.24in / 786.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6.3mph / 10.1km/h ; Tonight - Breezy. Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Snow level above 9000 feet decreasing to 8500 feet after midnight. Lows 33 to 41. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around (2 more messages)

21:06 <BadBarbarian> &more

21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 40 mph in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 30 percent. ; Thursday - Much cooler. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers...snow showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 8000 feet. Highs 50 to 58. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. ; Thursday Night - Rain showers...snow showers and a slight chance of (1 more message)

21:06 <BadBarbarian> &more

21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: thunderstorms. Snow accumulation 1 to 3 inches. Snow level 7000 to 7500 feet. Lows 29 to 37. Southwest winds around 15 mph. ; High Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 7:00 PM MST on May 21, 2008;

21:09 <Tank_Master> snow?

21:09 <Romulus> Somebody said snow is fun, Tank_Master

21:09 <Tank_Master> fuch off, Romulus

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21:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

21:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 66.0F / 18.9C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. East wind 5 to 10 mph. ; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid (1 more message)

21:15 <wdsmia> &more

21:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent. ; Thursday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Low in the lower 50s. East wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent. ;

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21:23 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

21:25 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

21:28 <BadBarbarian> 'lo dug & jay

21:28 <BadBarbarian> doug

21:28 <MTughan> Doug's a Dug?

21:28 <wdsmia> lol *lo BB

21:28 <wdsmia> well dinners calling bbl

21:28 <MTughan> Seeya.

21:29 <MTughan> And 'lo BB

21:29 <BadBarbarian> howdy Mt

21:30 <BadBarbarian> its starting to snow here

21:30 <MTughan> Where would "here" be?

21:30 <BadBarbarian> its not sticking yet give it time lol

21:30 <BadBarbarian> williams az

21:30 <MTughan> O_O

21:31 <MTughan> Kinda late for snow, isn't it?

21:31 <BadBarbarian> not at 7000 feet

21:31 <MTughan> Ah...

21:31 <freelarry> nah snows in montana all the way into the 4th of july

21:31 <BadBarbarian> yep

21:31 <BadBarbarian> here  too

21:31 <MTughan> BB: That would be the Rocky Mountains?

21:32 <freelarry> now if i had snow at <600 ft i would be worried

21:32 <BadBarbarian> no at the edge of the grand canyon

21:32 <xcamel> 'lo BB

21:32 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel

21:32 <Tank_Master> xcamel!

21:32 <MTughan> Wow, didn't know the Grand Canyon was that high up.

21:32 <BadBarbarian> yep

21:33 <BadBarbarian> 6800 feet on the south rim 8200 feet on the north rim

21:33 <Tank_Master> whats about the other rim?

21:34 <BadBarbarian> huh

21:34 <xcamel> and a few dozen toes stuck in the river at the bottom

21:34 <MTughan> lol

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21:34 <PovAddict> &math convert 7000 feet to meter

21:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2133.6

21:35 <Tank_Master> BB is higher than most kites

21:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: Who cares about exact height? 7000 feet is high whatever way you look at it.

21:35 <BadBarbarian> &math convert 7325 feet to meters

21:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 2232.66

21:36 <PovAddict> I see 7000 and think it's *really* high... because I'm thinking about 7000m

21:36 <xcamel> meaningless to flatlanders..

21:36 <MTughan> How about a 230ft/70m high roller coaster?

21:36 * PovAddict just got a hacking attempt on email

21:37 <xcamel> the highest mountain in NY is only like 2500 feet

21:37 <PovAddict> a mail trying to pretend it's from M$, giving a security update

21:37 <BadBarbarian> bbl dinner calls

21:37 <MTughan> Any competent user knows M$ doesn't send emails...

21:37 <MTughan> Especially when you don't give them your email.

21:38 <Tank_Master> NY is flatter than most jr high school girls

21:38 <MTughan> Okay, that was just inappropriate.

21:38 <Tank_Master> LOL

21:38 <Romulus> STOP don't need a m!@#ive die size with lotsa of cache

21:38 <MTughan> And that's not true. Saskatchewan is flatter.

21:38 <PovAddict> security update download is hosted at

21:39 <PovAddict> it's clearly from Microsoft!

21:39 <MTughan> lol

21:39 <Tank_Master> when is the file you download int eh upload directory?

21:39 <Tank_Master> in the*

21:39 <MTughan> You know, this roller coaster is probably taller than the height difference in all of Saskatchewan...

21:39 <Romulus> <> (at

21:39 <xcamel> that's what they say about the women from Saskatoon...

21:40 <MTughan> Oh, and Weird Al Yankovic thinks all Canadians want to drive Zamboni's all over Sask.

21:40 <MTughan> :P

21:41 <xcamel> 10 months a year they can...

21:41 <PovAddict> I read something interesting about people who always live in some flat/mountain area

21:42 <PovAddict> people who lived all their life in a flat area get kinda confused when they go to a place with mountains, they seem "surreal"

21:42 <PovAddict> people who lived all their life in a place with mountains also have trouble assimilating such a long range view, seeing up to the horizon

21:43 <MTughan> That's a traditional legend in Saskatchewan. You can see a grain elevator from miles away. xD

21:43 <xcamel> lol - my internal compass gets all fraked up when I go to the Baja

21:43 <MTughan> Never tested it myself.

21:44 <PovAddict> and on an extreme, there was some people who had always lived in the middle of the forest, never seeing anything farther than a few meters (trees everywhere)... and when taken out of there, they didn't even understand perspective

21:44 <freelarry> humm does anyone know if xp pro x86_64 fully utilize 4 gig of ram?

21:44 <Tank_Master> it fully utelizez 8GB

21:44 <PovAddict> it looked like magic to them because the cows got way smaller

21:44 <freelarry> you should try going from mountains/plains to middle of ocean for several months to really foul up a compass

21:45 <PovAddict> (because they were farther away)

21:45 <freelarry> thanks Tank_Master

21:45 <xcamel> lol

21:45 <PovAddict> freelarry: depends on proper mobo support and other things too

21:45 <freelarry> then all you see is rolling water horizon to horizon

21:45 <xcamel> been there, done that.

21:46 <freelarry> true - earlier mb's chipsets were limiting but getting new generation so should be alright there

21:46 <freelarry> same here xcamel and glad i retired from it

21:46 <Tank_Master> pov - id be one of those forest dwellers

21:46 <Tank_Master> cant even see my neighbor's house thats some 300 feet away

21:46 <xcamel> I like the desert

21:47 <Tank_Master> desert is to brown

21:47 * freelarry looks at blank spot on shelf and cries - cant wait till tomorrow when i fill it back in

21:47 <xcamel> Tank_Master the Ewok

21:47 <Tank_Master> and collorless

21:48 <xcamel> not hardly

21:49 * Tank_Master picks up freelarry and puts him on the shelf - there, now its filled again

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21:54 <Tank_Master> wb

21:55 <xcamel> off with me...

22:02 <Tank_Master> gn then

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23:03 <freelarry> sry Tank_Master - i only fill up half the shelf space available

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