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00:50 <freelarry> dang it all - took one machine down to clean and now its dead
00:51 <freelarry> will have to build another one to replace it
00:51 <freelarry> so much for scsi drive machine - wheres the lilies
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01:35 <BadBarbarian> :-(
01:50 <freelarry> evening BadBarbarian
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01:57 <BadBarbarian> hi was afk
01:57 <freelarry> twas ok
01:58 <freelarry> holding funeral here for old scsi machine
01:58 <BadBarbarian> had to stop my cruncher the temp got to high never buy a viva water system
01:58 <freelarry> k - thinking of replacing mine with another quad
01:59 <BadBarbarian> going to rip it apert tomarroe got a big typhoon waiting to go is
01:59 <freelarry> the 3.2 ht got to 78C - stopped it and cleaned - somehow killed it
01:59 <BadBarbarian> the q6600's are dropping in price
01:59 <BadBarbarian> seen a cpu for 150.00
02:00 <freelarry> good got one already for upgrade on different machine that died - thier are excellent
02:00 <freelarry> they
02:01 <freelarry> but don't think i'll try to run scsi's again as very old controller board
02:01 <BadBarbarian> rs is very good credit getting 8000 ran on my quad
02:01 <freelarry> currently installing xp home in virtual machine
02:01 <BadBarbarian> running xp 64
02:01 <freelarry> ;0
02:02 <freelarry> got that here on two machines - will probably put on replacement too
02:02 <freelarry> not thrilled with idea of buying vista
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02:03 <freelarry> xp home virtual on xp 64 machine
02:03 <freelarry> single processor tho
02:04 <freelarry> amd 3500
02:05 <freelarry> needed to do it so could run some games on that machine that don't like 64 bit os
02:14 <BadBarbarian> cool
02:22 <efc> wow, $200-$300 for the Via mini ITX type things, Atom sounds a lot better
02:25 <Soul_keeper> the isahia core will be competitive when it finally hits shelves
02:25 <BadBarbarian> will they crunch
02:25 <Romulus> Title: VIA Isaiah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
02:26 <Soul_keeper> big step up from the c7
02:27 <BadBarbarian> i see
02:27 <Soul_keeper> the C7 is at best clock for clock competitive with the P3
02:29 <efc> sounds like Atom is about as good as a Pentium M at twice the clock
02:29 <efc> and the are 1.6 ghz (@4watts)
02:29 <efc> The crunch/watt is probably very good
02:29 <Soul_keeper> Isaiah should match atom performance
02:30 <Soul_keeper> unless i was lied to ...
02:30 <Soul_keeper> maybe beat it
02:31 <efc> That rehashed Cyrix junk always sounded good but never performed
02:31 <Soul_keeper> via tends to take a year or two to get things to market tho
02:31 <efc> Also the boards are pretty expensive for what they are
02:31 <Soul_keeper> heck they are still selling C3's
02:32 <efc> compared to say: http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
02:32 <Romulus> is upgrading his machines were hidden
02:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah
02:33 <efc> Would be good for my always-on tasks (plus a little side crunching)
02:33 <efc> although that mb is still not well adapted for low power
02:34 <efc> 4 watts for CPU, 13 for northbridge
02:37 <freelarry> well that was a bust - game still gives same error code - doesn't like video driver i guess
02:37 <Soul_keeper> it costs intel 8 dollars to make an atom cpu
02:38 <Soul_keeper> they'll be selling for like 100-200+
02:38 <efc> that board is $80, with CPU it looks like
02:39 <Soul_keeper> ahhh it is atom, nice
02:39 <Soul_keeper> buy it :)
02:39 <efc> The things are so tiny that they are fairly cheap to make apparently
02:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah imagine how many of them they can fit on a 300mm waffer
02:41 <efc> They just need some more specialized chipsets that don't use 3X more power than the cpu hehe
02:41 <efc> that northbridge is a 130 nm part
02:41 <Soul_keeper> ~2500 chips to fit on a single 300mm diameter wafer
02:41 <Romulus> A thousand odd miles inland and summer is hotter and winter is colder.
02:41 <efc> the Anand review said they were running Vista + unreal tourny 2004 on it "smoothly"
02:42 <efc> Not sure what that means but it sounds good
02:42 <Soul_keeper> 47 million transistor, 25mm2
02:42 <Soul_keeper> it's probably on par with the core solo performance
02:43 <Soul_keeper> it's designed for these new MIDs and UMPCs
02:44 <Soul_keeper> AMD's geode was kinda dissapointing, seemed to never go anywhere, amd has already stated that it's not really a priority
02:45 <efc> I looked at that one too.. Sounded ok, didn't see as much info
02:45 <Soul_keeper> it's like 600MHz probably on par with the early athlons i believe
02:46 <efc> If software hadn't gotten so bad, a couple hundred MHz would probably be good enough for almost everything but games
02:46 <Soul_keeper> was supposed to be in that OLPC thing
02:46 <efc> 486-66 ought to be able to run a GUI no problem
02:47 <Soul_keeper> yeah you can still have a fairly impressive desktop in linux on a old sub 500mhz system
02:48 <Soul_keeper> i stopped short of saying p133/i486/i386 because my defintion of impressive/usable is slightly realistic
02:48 <Soul_keeper> :)
02:49 <efc> Guy at my dorm had '95 on a 486-66, it was fine
02:49 <efc> Maybe bump that up a bit considering using 32 bit everything
02:49 <efc> so say p-200
02:49 <efc> It does seem like they get slower over time
02:49 <Soul_keeper> i still havn't trying anything in 64-bit, no real desire to
02:50 <efc> P3-600 here doesn't seem as fast as it used to be, even though its got a gig of ram now
02:50 <efc> maybe cuz the windows installation is 7 years old
02:51 <Soul_keeper> i don't think i could put up with anything slower than an athlon xp for a desktop
02:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah his pagefile/registry is probably massive
02:51 <Soul_keeper> probably has a 500MB registry lol
02:51 <efc> Yeah, I ought to wipe it sometime
02:52 <Soul_keeper> i've gotten to the point where i don't even run my old computers, the performance/watt ratio just don't justify it
02:53 <Soul_keeper> my P4 and athlonxp just stayed turned off
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02:53 <efc> yeah would like to retire the p4 kilowatt-sucker
02:53 <Soul_keeper> i retired them with two c2d systems
02:54 <Soul_keeper> i got a kill-o-watt wattage reader and measured my systems
02:54 <Romulus> Title: ART FOR A CHANGE - "Secure beneath watchful eyes" (at www.art-for-a-change.com)
02:55 <Soul_keeper> c2d @3GHZ idle/load 65/135watts
02:55 <Soul_keeper> c2d@3GHz with gaming vid card and stuff 184/320watts
02:56 <Soul_keeper> opp that was the P4's wattage
02:56 <Soul_keeper> c2d@3GHz with gaming vid card and stuff 121/225watts
02:56 <efc> not bad.. a lot for the video card though
02:56 <Soul_keeper> so basically nearly 4x the boinc output for 1/3rd less power usage
02:58 <efc> Mmm
02:58 <Soul_keeper> yeah i like knowing that my c2d when running headless pulls the wattage of 1 light bulb when idle, and 2 when under load
02:58 <efc> I was thinking a quad, maybe even better..
02:59 <efc> but what I have is good enough so dunno when i'll change
02:59 <Soul_keeper> i just wish i could run boinc on my 3870 vid card
02:59 <Soul_keeper> that'd be nice
02:59 <Soul_keeper> i spent all my upgrade money for the year already :)
03:00 <efc> i haven't worked any more on the FPGA stuff. Its going to take forever and not sure by the time i finish they wouldn't have 16 core and make it pointless
03:00 <Soul_keeper> heh
03:00 <Soul_keeper> what's FPGA ?
03:00 <efc> customizable chip
03:01 <Soul_keeper> are you a one-man fabless chip company ?
03:01 <efc> they are basically a giant array of gates that you configure however you want
03:02 <efc> So yeah one person doesn't have to put much capital into it
03:02 <Soul_keeper> i wonder how much it would cost to have tsmc or someone make you a chip if you gave them the design specs ...
03:03 <efc> Probably a million $ per spin, on an old process
03:03 <Soul_keeper> well transmeta used to make cpu's and they were a really small company
03:03 <efc> You don't get the latest greatest process
03:03 <efc> probably 90 nm is the newest you'd reasonable get a hold of
03:04 <efc> which admitedly would beat the tar out of a FPGA, but they are still much more flexible
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03:04 <Soul_keeper> well you could always make a massive die size with lotsa of cache
03:05 <efc> the difficulty doing seti@home is that the is a ton of code to put in hardware
03:05 <Soul_keeper> you wouldn't have the same cost/chip constraints or profit margins to worry about if you weren't selling them
03:05 <efc> the FPGAs are $10-20, so very economical for small runs
03:05 <efc> reconfigure as many times as you want (even while they are running)
03:06 <Soul_keeper> cool
03:06 <efc> there are fancy high end versions that are faster for $thousands, but not my market
03:07 <Soul_keeper> yeah
03:07 <Soul_keeper> welp i gotta go to sleep
03:07 <Soul_keeper> keep up the good work, lookin' good
03:09 <efc> Night Soul
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03:11 <efc> pain in the A$$
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04:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 46.2°F / 7.9°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. A slight chance of showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent. ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds (1 more message)
04:13 <CoderForLife> &more
04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming light west winds after midnight. ; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. ;
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04:29 <efc> that was quite the storm that blew through
04:40 <CoderForLife> did you quiet the storm?
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04:48 <efc> quiet or i'll quit quite quickly
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06:27 <hawmps> 'mornin
06:27 <KathrynM> ugh
06:33 <hawmps> indeed
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09:39 <CoderForLife> re-hi
09:39 <CoderForLife> home to meet (hopefully) with the civil engineer
09:40 <CoderForLife> he's due in 20 minutes
09:41 <Tank_Master> he's pregnent?
09:42 <CoderForLife> yeah - he's supposed to give birth to a wall plan
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09:42 <Tank_Master> lol
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10:04 <jackygrahamez> hi
10:04 <Tank_Master> hey
10:04 <KathrynM> hey jack
10:04 <Tank_Master> KM!
10:05 <jackygrahamez> Hi Kathryn :-)
10:05 <jackygrahamez> Hi Tank
10:05 <KathrynM> TM!
10:05 <Romulus> Getting a sore throat :/
10:06 <Tank_Master> then stop talking
10:06 <KathrynM> lol
10:06 <jackygrahamez> How does Romulus get a sore throat?
10:06 <Tank_Master> LOL
10:06 <Tank_Master> what? cant he get a virus to?
10:07 <KathrynM> :D
10:11 <hawmps> I'll call the bit doctor later..
10:11 <Tank_Master> just as long as its not a 2-bit doctor
10:27 <hawmps> right again
10:27 <Romulus> seti is taking a char* as argument
10:28 <jackygrahamez> Romulus take a nap, we don't want you to die
10:28 <Romulus> I don't know.
10:28 <Tank_Master> speak for yourself
10:29 <Tank_Master> :P
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10:44 <Tank_Master> Romulus, do you know anything?
10:44 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
10:44 <Tank_Master> Romulus do you know anything?
10:44 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
10:45 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123
10:45 <Tank_Master> &more
10:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 50.5°F / 10.3°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs 55 to 60. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers. Lows around 45. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. ; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around (1 more message)
10:45 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 60. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. ;
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10:54 <Tank_Master> wb
10:54 <KathrynM> thx. had to restart x
10:55 <KathrynM> kde acting funky
10:56 <Tank_Master> you should upgrade to windows
10:56 * KathrynM shudders
10:56 <Tank_Master> lol
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11:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
11:21 * KathrynM decides to go to bed
11:21 <KathrynM> &nn
11:21 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!
11:21 <Tank_Master> gn
11:30 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez, uc is running fine for me after reattaching
11:32 <jackygrahamez> sweet
11:32 <Tank_Master> uc?
11:32 <PovAddict> bed?
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11:32 <Tank_Master> LOL
11:33 <Tank_Master> bed, chair, same thing
11:33 <Tank_Master> you can sleep in both
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11:39 * freelarry thinks its all PovAddict fault
11:39 <PovAddict> ...
11:39 <PovAddict> it always is
11:39 <freelarry> morning PovAddict Tank_Master KathrynM
11:39 * Tank_Master knows it is
11:39 <Tank_Master> hi fl
11:40 <freelarry> lol - not this time PovAddict - tried to clean a machine last night and killed it instead
11:40 <Tank_Master> but it IS clean, right?
11:40 <freelarry> so now contemplatng next build to replace it
11:40 <PovAddict> as clean as the dead can be
11:40 <PovAddict> freelarry: how badly killed?
11:41 <freelarry> yup and has 3 frozen case fans and destroyed cpu fan too
11:41 <freelarry> think the fuse in ps blew when i tried to restart it
11:41 <Tank_Master> ouch
11:41 <freelarry> on old hot prescott ht cpu so time to replace anyway
11:42 <Tank_Master> yeah
11:42 <Tank_Master> got a 45nm core2quad
11:42 * freelarry is eyeballing a new quad as replacement
11:42 <Tank_Master> if you can find one
11:42 <freelarry> probably just get a q6600
11:42 <PovAddict> yours
11:43 <Tank_Master> once you go to a quad, youll wonder what use a P4 has
11:43 <freelarry> i will be looking after i get out of ultrasound clinic today
11:43 <freelarry> lol - space heater Tank_Master
11:43 <Tank_Master> :P
11:44 <freelarry> gots one q6600 already
11:44 <freelarry> shouldn't need that old thermaltake case anymore either
11:44 * freelarry blasted heavy brick
11:45 <Tank_Master> try a fulltowner thats all sheet mettle
11:45 <freelarry> and with the vast improvements of hd's will not reuse the 3 scsi drives in it either
11:45 <Tank_Master> THATS heavy
11:45 <freelarry> lol the thermaltake is full tower
11:46 <Tank_Master> yeah, my next system will have the 320GB raptors
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11:46 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo!
11:47 <freelarry> thinking just going with one 750 gig sata myself -- morning yoyo[RKN] -when is there going to be work ;p
11:47 * freelarry could say the same for a number of projects that i'm attached to
11:48 <freelarry> well time to commute to hospital - tca
11:48 <Tank_Master> hf!
11:48 <Tank_Master> enjoy boing on the bleeding edge of technology!
11:48 <Tank_Master> being*
11:48 * freelarry is already shaking with thought of conductive gel they use for ultrasound probe
11:49 <Tank_Master> lol
11:49 <freelarry> its freezing to skin
11:49 <Tank_Master> good thermal conductor?
11:49 <freelarry> yeah
11:49 <Tank_Master> nice
11:50 * freelarry wonders if they will be able to find the fourth artery that wasn't found last time i had one of these done
11:50 <Tank_Master> heh
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12:43 <CoderForLife> they've left
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12:47 <CoderForLife> and I'm going back to w@#%
12:47 <CoderForLife> laterz
12:52 <Tank_Master> hf
13:04 <PovAddict> mmm
13:04 <PovAddict> we had some ice cream left \o/
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13:06 <CoderForLife> thx - not possible Tank_Master
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13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> wb DerMeister
13:31 <PovAddict> &ping
13:31 <Romulus> pong
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13:36 <BadBarbarian> $pong
13:36 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023
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13:36 <BadBarbarian> &more
13:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: to west 20 to 30 mph in the late morning and afternoon. ; Tonight - Windy. Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows around 24 on the North Rim to around 55 along the Colorado River. West winds 20 to 30 mph becoming light. ; Thursday - Much cooler. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers and thunderstorms. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Snow level 7000 (1 more message)
13:36 <BadBarbarian> &more
13:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: feet. Highs around 43 on the North Rim to around 79 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph in the late morning and afternoon. Chance of precipitation 50 percent. ;
13:36 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001
13:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 69.4°F / 20.8°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny with isolated showers. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 50. West winds 5 to (1 more message)
13:37 <jackygrahamez> &more
13:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 10 mph. ; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph. ;
13:44 <exco> if I subscribe to 2 different projects and one doesn't have any work - does the other one run full time even if work is divided 50:50?
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13:58 <PovAddict> exco: of course
13:58 <PovAddict> it won't leave 50% idle :)
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14:18 <exco> thanks, PovAddict.
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15:57 <freelarry> b
15:57 <freelarry> replacement machine will be available after w/*- tommorow
15:58 * freelarry wonders what to call second quad machine?
15:59 <freelarry> dumbo?
15:59 <xcamel> 'lo
15:59 <freelarry> lo xcamel
15:59 <xcamel> Hi Larry
16:00 <freelarry> lost another p4 ht'er quad replacement on way here
16:01 <freelarry> stopped at store and ordered what i wanted - half assembled already - they will have it tested by time i go in tomorrow
16:01 <freelarry> just need to install os when i get home
16:02 <xcamel> out with the old..
16:02 <freelarry> yup didn't want to tear apart and fix
16:02 <xcamel> I hear that..
16:02 <freelarry> figure ps lost fuse in it
16:03 <freelarry> and scsi drives heating the room to much
16:03 <freelarry> new machine <1000
16:04 <freelarry> q6600 w/4 gig memory and 500gig hd - fairly new standard vid card with zalman cooler
16:05 <freelarry> hope it last 4 to 5 years like what its replacing
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16:05 <freelarry> believe its fsb of 1333
16:06 * freelarry looks around for crunching song
16:07 <xcamel> sounds like a good box..
16:07 <freelarry> should be
16:07 <PovAddict> wow 700 pendings on primegrid, with a single box crunching it
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16:08 <freelarry> lol yeah pending can build up fast - had a few pending finally clear and got 11000+credit today
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16:47 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy
16:50 <Tank_Master> wb'
16:50 <Tank_Master> doh!
16:51 <Tank_Master> download fialed for my hydrogen WUs
16:51 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 1:49:48 PM|Hydrogen@Home|[sched_op_debug] Reason: Unrecoverable error for result uc_1211341465_26052_1 (app_version download error: couldn't get input files:<file_xfer_error> <file_name>uppercase_3.1_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name> <error_code>-120</error_code> <error_message>signature verification failed</error_message></file_xfer_error>)
16:51 <KathrynM> moanin
16:51 <jackygrahamez> hey
16:52 <KathrynM> hiya jack
16:52 <Tank_Master> jacky!
16:52 <jackygrahamez> did you try reattaching?
16:52 <Tank_Master> rewhat?
16:52 <jackygrahamez> Hydrogen?
16:52 <Tank_Master> :P
16:53 <jackygrahamez> :-@
16:53 <Tank_Master> ill have to log into BAM! first
16:53 <Tank_Master> after I post a note on my team's MB that someone screwed up hydrogen again
16:53 <Tank_Master> ;)
16:55 <jackygrahamez> That emote reminds me of Dramatic Chipmunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBRI3iHmLys&feature=related
16:55 <Saenger> I detached/reattached via BAM!, deleted my host. but get no work
16:55 <jackygrahamez> ok I believe you
16:55 <KathrynM> jack doesn't like you Saenger :p
16:56 <Saenger> I think so ;)
16:56 <jackygrahamez> Turn up the resource allocation a wee bit
16:56 * KathrynM thinks a bit more sleep would do her good
16:56 <jackygrahamez> Temporarily
16:56 <Saenger> is my 100% not enough?
16:56 <KathrynM> I think I hit my daily quota jack :-)
16:56 <jackygrahamez> Hmm give it 110%
16:56 <Tank_Master> sleep is for the weak
16:56 <jackygrahamez> ?
16:56 <PovAddict> Saenger: that's the only project you have attached?
16:56 <jackygrahamez> Just kidding
16:56 <KathrynM> Saenger likes to live on the wild side :)
16:56 <Saenger> only one??? no way!!!
16:57 * KathrynM disappears
16:57 <KathrynM> *poof*
16:57 <Tank_Master> you mean theres mroe than one project?
16:57 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
16:57 <PovAddict> Saenger: the only way your share can be 100% is if it's the only project you have
16:58 <PovAddict> two projects with resource share 100 or two projects with 2 mean the same: 50% for each
16:58 <Saenger> the share? it's 1.74% of the attached projects, but some of them are at nnw
16:59 <Tank_Master> ok, detached and reattached
16:59 <Tank_Master> happy now?
16:59 <Tank_Master> ;)
16:59 <Saenger> I get this messages (loke I posted in the forum):
16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 11567 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent
16:59 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 22:29:46 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected. Please check your settings on the web site
17:00 <Saenger> I have not selected any application, nor is it even possible with hydro
17:00 <jackygrahamez> What is your user id?
17:00 <Saenger> 388
17:02 <jackygrahamez> try reattaching again
17:02 <Romulus> I think it flows a little
17:02 <Saenger> detach first?
17:02 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:00:08 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 28 results)
17:02 <jackygrahamez> yes
17:03 <Saenger> that will take some time, BAM! always let's all other projects contact home with a new attached one ;)
17:03 <Tank_Master> do you want me to change my host ID, or is there some other way I can get work?
17:03 <Saenger> but it's only 20 ;)
17:05 <jackygrahamez> ok so Tank its still not working for you?
17:05 <Tank_Master> dunno
17:05 <Tank_Master> reached quota
17:05 <jackygrahamez> oh
17:05 <Tank_Master> so it wont let me to try and d/l mor
17:05 <Tank_Master> e
17:05 <jackygrahamez> what quota did it say?
17:05 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:00:08 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 28 results)
17:05 <Tank_Master> (its a quad core)
17:06 <jackygrahamez> I had that problem disappear when I deleted my host
17:06 <jackygrahamez> So if you can't delete it, I will do it for you
17:06 <Saenger> been there done that, now I have to wait for 19 projects to contact home before hydro will try again
17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> think quota is stored in host table
17:07 <Saenger> and that includes the currently offline milkyway ;)
17:07 <jackygrahamez> let me check
17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> me too ;)
17:08 <jackygrahamez> indeed
17:08 <yoyo[RKN]> which
17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> nresults_today?
17:09 <Tank_Master> I can just change the host ID
17:09 <Tank_Master> dont that way to meny times in the past
17:09 <Tank_Master> done*
17:10 <jackygrahamez> I updated max_results_day
17:10 <jackygrahamez> to 100
17:11 <Tank_Master> its trying to update LHC atm
17:12 <Tank_Master> which is probably down and I am going to have to wite for it to time out
17:12 <Saenger> dito ;)
17:13 <Tank_Master> I wish it would time out quicker
17:13 <Saenger> mine is through just now:
17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent
17:13 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:12:41 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected. Please check your settings on the web site
17:13 <Tank_Master> waa?? o.O?
17:13 <Tank_Master> 5/21/2008 2:12:59 PM|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
17:14 <Tank_Master> stupid BOINC
17:14 <Tank_Master> BAD BOINC!
17:14 <jackygrahamez> Its teething
17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:17 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 11491 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work sent
17:14 <Saenger> Mi 21 Mai 2008 23:13:22 CEST|Hydrogen@Home|Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected. Please check your settings on the web site
17:14 <PovAddict> that error definitely won't be solved by just a reattach :)
17:15 <PovAddict> only the code signature thing would be...
17:15 <jackygrahamez> your using linux right Saenger?
17:15 <Saenger> ubuntu 8.04 64
17:15 <Tank_Master> wee, its downloading
17:16 <Tank_Master> just got a crapload to
17:16 <Saenger> just a wee bit or real stuff?
17:16 <Tank_Master> estimating at 5m28s
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17:17 <jackygrahamez> I got some successes on Linux
17:18 <Tank_Master> haha
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17:18 <Tank_Master> they are taking 7-8s
17:18 <Tank_Master> some 9s
17:18 <jackygrahamez> yes I'm just running the sample_workunit_generator until we get everyone on the same key
17:18 <Saenger> uppercase to UPPERCASE
17:19 <Tank_Master> yeah
17:20 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: fix those estimates!
17:21 <PovAddict> if they take 10 seconds but estimate at 5 minutes, the DCF will go crazy
17:21 <PovAddict> which would cause super-low estimates when you put in the real app
17:21 <Tank_Master> not one has taken 10 sec
17:22 <PovAddict> &google calc 5 minutes 28 seconds / 8 seconds
17:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: (5 minutes 28 seconds) / (8 seconds) = 41
17:22 <PovAddict> lol
17:22 <PovAddict> DCF of 41
17:22 <jackygrahamez> estimate 41 seconds?
17:23 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no, you're estimating 41 *times* higher than you should
17:23 <Tank_Master> its not getting more work
17:23 <Tank_Master> did I chew it all up?
17:28 <jackygrahamez> the template says <command_line>-cpu_time 10</command_line>
17:30 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: your rsc_fpops_est is what is wrong by a factor of 40
17:32 <jackygrahamez> It must be using a default value, I'll enter a small value of 100?
17:32 <PovAddict> 100 would mean some milliseconds...
17:32 <jackygrahamez> ahh
17:32 <jackygrahamez> 100000
17:33 <PovAddict> on my computer, 919174252 is 1 second
17:34 <jackygrahamez> 10e^11
17:34 <PovAddict> hmm 912 floating point MIPS that seems low...
17:34 * PovAddict might compile his own core client to get some decent benchmarks
17:34 <Tank_Master> 3047725702 flops is one second for me
17:34 <yoyo[RKN]> problem is that uppercase runs 10minutes independend of the fpops of the computer
17:35 <Tank_Master> if thats so, then why is it only takeint 7-9 sec?
17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> because jackygrahamez didn't use the -cpu_time option yet
17:35 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: 5 minutes is still way too big of an estimate
17:36 <jackygrahamez> <rsc_fpops_est>10000000000</rsc_fpops_est>
17:36 <xcamel> cool:
17:36 <Romulus> Title: 100 Explosions on the Moon (at www.physorg.com)
17:37 <PovAddict> I'll compare with my Windows client
17:37 <Tank_Master> 30477257020 would be a better number
17:37 <PovAddict> &google calc 10000000000 / 2202263920
17:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 10,000,000,000 / 2,202,263,920 = 4.54078183
17:37 <Tank_Master> thats 10 sec on mine
17:37 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: for the estimate?
17:37 <Tank_Master> and they are taking 7-9 sec
17:37 <Tank_Master> yeah
17:37 <PovAddict> &google calc 30477257020 / 2202263920
17:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 30,477,257,020 / 2,202,263,920 = 13.8390575
17:37 <jackygrahamez> ok one more order of maginitude?
17:38 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: no just about twice what you suggested before
17:38 <PovAddict> or three times
17:38 <Tank_Master> 30477257020
17:38 <Tank_Master> 10000000000
17:38 <PovAddict> or that
17:38 <Tank_Master> 3x
17:38 <PovAddict> it's just an estimate anyway...
17:38 <Tank_Master> 30000000000 would work great
17:38 <PovAddict> and like yoyo[RKN] said, uppercase runs always 10 seconds regardless of computer speed, so the estimate *will* be off in some computer
17:39 <PovAddict> doesn't matter... just don't make it off by 10x :P
17:39 <Tank_Master> yeah
17:39 <jackygrahamez> try now I'm off to play softball
17:39 <Tank_Master> ok
17:40 <yoyo[RKN]> softball now, its 11:40pm here
17:40 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)
17:41 <Tank_Master> hehe
17:41 <jackygrahamez> That's okay you can play with a glow in the dark ball
17:41 <jackygrahamez> And some black lights
17:42 <jackygrahamez> later alagator
17:42 <[B^S]renemayer> sunglasses at night
17:42 <[B^S]renemayer> sry ,-)
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17:42 <PovAddict> that reminded me of something :P
17:42 <PovAddict> I heard there are glow-in-the-dark condoms... sounds like fun
17:43 <Tank_Master> new estimates are now 26 sec
17:43 <[B^S]renemayer> got a cam to watch them?
17:43 <Tank_Master> still high, but not bad
17:43 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: well what's your DCF?
17:43 <Tank_Master> which file is that in?
17:44 <PovAddict> client_state.xml; <duration_correction_factor> within the hydrogen <project>
17:44 <CoderForLife> greetings to all silicon and carbon-based life forms
17:44 <Tank_Master> <duration_correction_factor>0.031483
17:44 <Tank_Master> hiya CFL
17:45 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master
17:45 <yoyo[RKN]> should be 1, Tank_Master
17:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: try closing client, resetting the DCF to 1.0, and starting it back
17:45 <Tank_Master> well crap
17:45 <CoderForLife> brb after dinner
17:45 <CoderForLife> got to go eat with the carbon-based wife form
17:46 <CoderForLife> (C) 2008 CoderForLife
17:46 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : what is the state of your screensaver?
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17:47 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: PrimeGrid? already releasd
17:47 <PovAddict> -ed*
17:47 <yoyo[RKN]> I should download a wu
17:47 <Tank_Master> reset the value
17:47 <Tank_Master> back to 5m28s
17:48 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: then the estimate didn't get fixed; your client "fixed" it on its own
17:48 <Tank_Master> yeah
17:48 <Tank_Master> so it would seem
17:48 <PovAddict> probably there's still WUs with the old estimate on the queue
17:48 <PovAddict> o well
17:48 <Tank_Master> thats my hope
17:48 <yoyo[RKN]> which of the primegrid apps has the screensaver?
17:48 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: TPS LLR
17:48 <Tank_Master> the slower one
17:49 <PovAddict> and Windows-only
17:49 <MTughan> Although the OpenGL does work on Mac and Linux.
17:49 <PovAddict> (the code runs on Win/Lin/Mac, I just didn't compile it for anything other than Windows)
17:49 <MTughan> Heh... I'm installing packages to make packages.
17:49 <Tank_Master> sweet
17:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: what kind of packages? RPM?
17:50 <MTughan> I don't have BOINC graphics libraries on my Linux machine, but I do on my Mac.
17:50 <Tank_Master> was that aster you installed packages to install packages?
17:50 <Tank_Master> after*
17:50 <MTughan> I believe so.
17:50 <MTughan> No, the package to install packages was already installed.
17:50 <MTughan> lol...
17:50 <Tank_Master> nice
17:50 <Romulus> thx Pov, if you want to vomit
17:50 <MTughan> But I've got to go.
17:50 <Tank_Master> ok
17:50 <Tank_Master> tc
17:51 <MTughan> Uh, Rommie?
17:51 <PovAddict> wtF Romulus
17:51 <Tank_Master> ROFL
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17:58 <xcamel> what did you do... break it?
17:58 <xcamel> &ping
17:58 <Romulus> pong
17:59 <xcamel> false alarm..
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18:05 <wdsmia> re-hi
18:06 <Tank_Master> wb
18:08 <CoderForLife> back from din-din
18:08 <Tank_Master> hf
18:09 <CoderForLife> wattup
18:10 <CoderForLife> civil engineer cam today
18:10 <CoderForLife> er came
18:11 <Tank_Master> and?
18:11 <Romulus> hmm... and is with no internet for like a month, Tank_Master
18:11 <CoderForLife> pretty nifty laser device to get some elevations
18:11 <CoderForLife> took a bunch of data points
18:11 <CoderForLife> promises a wall plan the first of next week
18:12 <CoderForLife> it's going to be a big wall
18:13 <CoderForLife> I plan to sell tickets to tourists to pay for it
18:19 <xcamel> put up some of those $0.50 per view binocs...
18:20 <PovAddict> heh yep
18:20 <CoderForLife> a fine idea
18:20 <Tank_Master> 50c?
18:20 <Tank_Master> where are they still that cheep?
18:20 <xcamel> ok... $1
18:20 <CoderForLife> maybe point them at the neighbor's houses across the valley
18:21 <Tank_Master> LOL
18:21 <xcamel> if it's aimed at the bedroom...
18:21 <CoderForLife> or the sun deck
18:21 <Tank_Master> the pool
18:21 <CoderForLife> the pools are too far away
18:21 <Romulus> WHAT?!?! mmmmmmmmmm well what a waste
18:22 <xcamel> $2 telescope
18:22 <CoderForLife> ah - a thought
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18:23 <CoderForLife> the guys from w@#% that have been over have commented on the feminine population they've seen walking/jogging on the streets
18:23 <CoderForLife> I, of course, am oblivious to all that
18:23 <Ageless93> unless they walk by topless
18:24 <Tank_Master> lol
18:25 <CoderForLife> then I would be involved in a severe traffic accident
18:26 <Ageless93> you're not the only one, I bet
18:26 <Tank_Master> hehe
18:30 <CoderForLife> and then there would be the secondary collision
18:30 <CoderForLife> between my face and my wife's fist
18:31 <Ageless93> bossy missy
18:32 <Ageless93> when another woman flashes her boobs at you, what are you supposed to do then?
18:32 <CoderForLife> only for wrecking the car, of course
18:32 <Ageless93> a car can be repaired, a nose fixed...
18:33 <CoderForLife> .on another (on-)topic, some LHC WUs are coming down
18:33 <PovAddict> :o
18:34 <Ageless93> hmm, am deferring.
18:34 <CoderForLife> I'll grab another one in 9 minutes
18:34 <Ageless93> I'll have to wait 15 minutes
18:34 <Ageless93> or 909 seconds as the server tells me so eloquently when I try an update ;)
18:35 <CoderForLife> stocking up for a rainy day, or until 5/28
18:35 * PovAddict attaches LHC
18:35 <PovAddict> looks like I got 1 WY
18:35 <PovAddict> WU*
18:35 <CoderForLife> congrats
18:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab
18:40 <xcamel> looks like none for me..
18:40 <Ageless93> hah, got some more back end code fixed.
18:48 <xcamel> flubbernutz.
18:48 <MTughan> Flubbernutz?
18:49 <Ageless93> do I want to know?
18:49 <MTughan> No.
18:49 <Ageless93> very old nutz...
18:52 <Ageless93> what's an Athlong processor?
18:53 <Ageless93> longer version of the Athlon?
18:53 <PovAddict> sounds like a typo
18:57 <Ageless93> anyone know offhand where cc_config.xml lives on a Macintosh?
18:57 <Ageless93> BOINC 5.10.45 for that matter (but on the Mac it's already using the separate directories, isn't it?)
18:58 <MTughan> /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data should be the dir.
18:58 <Ageless93> thanks
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19:10 <Ageless93> off to bed. night all
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19:15 * KathrynM is back (gone 02:18:20)
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19:23 * KathrynM bangs head on desk
19:23 <KathrynM> Passwords must be at least 6 characters long. They can only contain the characters a-z, A-Z, 0-9, -, _, contain no spaces, and cannot start with a zero.
19:24 <KathrynM> so the fact I want to use @ and * and ^ in a password ain't gonna happen
19:24 <KathrynM> so much for security
19:24 <PovAddict> "your password must be longer than 6 characters long, but it must be unsafe anyway"
19:24 <PovAddict> cannot start with a zero?! what kind of ridiculous limitation is that?
19:24 <KathrynM> somethin like that
19:24 <KathrynM> ask the photobucket folks
19:25 <PovAddict> I know of a website that doesn't allow special characters or spaces on passwords
19:25 <PovAddict> but that's because they have to interoperate with a dozen systems
19:25 <PovAddict> like FTP
19:25 <PovAddict> which don't allow spaces in passwords
19:25 <KathrynM> I can understand spaces.
19:25 <KathrynM> But why the hell no special charachters
19:26 <PovAddict> it's a good idea to allow spaces, lets you use a "passphrase"
19:26 <KathrynM> never thought of that
19:26 <PovAddict> "password" makes people think it has to be a word
19:26 <PovAddict> but what's wrong with "your security system sucks" as a password? it's longer than the average pw :)
19:26 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
19:27 <KathrynM> :D
19:27 <KathrynM> or suxs even
19:27 <KathrynM> suxes?
19:27 <KathrynM> suxz?
19:27 <PovAddict> suxx0rz
19:27 <KathrynM> lol
19:27 <Soul_keeper> suckatash !!!
19:28 <PovAddict> also, limiting *maximum* password length is stupid
19:28 <PovAddict> not even "it has to be shorter than 50 characters because that's how big the password field is on the database"... because it's a VERY bad idea to store the password in plaintext anyway
19:28 <PovAddict> and hashes are always the same length sooo...
19:28 <KathrynM> excuses excuses
19:29 <PovAddict> if I want to make a book contents my password, why not... (of course the browser should remember it or something :P)
19:29 <PovAddict> even though login might be slightly slower
19:29 <PovAddict> gotta upload 100KB of password
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19:30 <PovAddict> the biggest offender is definitely: forcing you to change the password periodically
19:31 <PovAddict> I definitely wouldn't be using a 14-character completely-random-looking password for GMail if I had to change it every month
19:32 <PovAddict> "password must have at least three numbers or special characters" rule sounds like it would make things safe, but if they make you change it monthly, people will always use stuff like "May08!@#"
19:32 <PovAddict> June08!@#
19:32 <PovAddict> ...
19:33 <KathrynM> never underestimate the stupidity of end users
19:33 <PovAddict> stupidity of end users? *I* would have such a silly password if I had to re-remember it every month
19:34 <KathrynM> lol
19:34 <PovAddict> those periodic change rules show the stupidity of whoever made it (usually a manager at a company)
19:34 <PovAddict> I don't know of public websites making you change pw periodically
19:34 <KathrynM> definitely never underestimate the stupidity of management
19:34 <PovAddict> but most companies make employees do it...
19:34 <KathrynM> my school is a case study of that
19:34 <PovAddict> there you go
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19:41 <KathrynM> new pic up
19:41 <Romulus> Title: ESL Teaching (at esladventuresinphotos.wordpress.com)
19:41 <MTughan> Hey, can you speak any Korean?
19:41 <MTughan> We got a Korean here.
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19:42 <KathrynM> enough to be polite.
19:42 <KathrynM> in other words, no
19:42 <MTughan> Heh.
19:42 <xcamel> he speaks canadian
19:43 <xcamel> somehow, it keeps coming out english
19:43 <KathrynM> that's why I can't understand him sometimes
19:43 <KathrynM> :)
19:43 <KathrynM> The Americans haven't spoken English in a couple hundred years :)
19:43 <xcamel> must be a babelfish involved.
19:44 <PovAddict> unitedstatians
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19:50 <xcamel> unbelievable..
19:50 <xcamel> I just found the exact rf connector I was looking for..
19:50 <CoderForLife> evening KathrynM xcamel
19:50 <xcamel> N male to BNC female
19:51 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife
19:51 <xcamel> sitting right here in the parts cup on my desk..
19:51 <xcamel> 'lo Don
19:51 <CoderForLife> it was speaking to you
19:52 <xcamel> 11 bucks to order one on the net
19:52 <CoderForLife> money talks
19:52 <xcamel> RF Robery..
19:52 <CoderForLife> lol
19:52 <CoderForLife> I looked on eBay for Allan block
19:52 <xcamel> now I can combine my antenna inputs..
19:53 <CoderForLife> couldn't find even one
19:53 <xcamel> too bad..
19:53 <CoderForLife> yeah
19:53 <CoderForLife> gonna need a few thousand, I reeckon
19:53 <xcamel> did you catch that link to the "moon flashes" story?
19:53 <CoderForLife> reckon*
19:53 <CoderForLife> nope
19:54 <Romulus> Title: 100 Explosions on the Moon (at www.physorg.com)
19:54 <CoderForLife> hmm looking
19:54 <CoderForLife> oh very interesting
19:54 <CoderForLife> wow
19:55 <xcamel> very cool
19:55 <Romulus> bash: .BOINC Manager: command not found
19:55 <xcamel> leave boinc alone, rom, it's running as a protected user.
19:55 <KathrynM> lol
19:56 <Romulus> says you da boss.
19:56 <xcamel> damn right.
19:56 <CoderForLife> I guess that's another worry for moon visitors
19:57 <CoderForLife> no atmosphere, little gravity, "dust that gets into just everything", and baseball size bombs
19:58 <CoderForLife> brb grape soda time
20:00 <xcamel> just finished my coffee..
20:02 <xcamel> hmmm.. tornad not too far from efc today..
20:02 <xcamel> er tornado, even
20:03 <CoderForLife> yikes
20:03 * CoderForLife fears twisters
20:04 <CoderForLife> when I am most stressed or "threatened", I dream about tornados
20:05 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11837
20:05 <Soul_keeper> cool
20:05 <KathrynM> 4 books = 13 dollars
20:06 <KathrynM> shipping for 4 books = 50 dollars
20:06 <KathrynM> gotta love shipping internationally
20:06 <Soul_keeper> nice
20:06 <KathrynM> amazon
20:06 <KathrynM> four books on science experiments for kids
20:07 <CoderForLife> yeah Soul_keeper - very cool - cold eveb
20:07 <CoderForLife> even*
20:07 * CoderForLife glares at his fingers
20:08 * KathrynM decides it's time for a shower
20:08 <KathrynM> can't stink for the munchkins
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20:08 <KathrynM> CoderForLife, did you see the link I posted a bit ago?
20:08 <CoderForLife> I'm going to drop off
20:08 <CoderForLife> oh um no
20:08 <CoderForLife> scroll up?
20:08 <Romulus> Title: ESL Teaching (at esladventuresinphotos.wordpress.com)
20:08 <KathrynM> he's somewhere between 3.5 and 4 years old
20:08 <CoderForLife> yeow big Pete
20:09 <KathrynM> and a lot cuter in person
20:09 <Soul_keeper> so you're a school teacher ?
20:09 <KathrynM> English as a second language
20:09 <KathrynM> in Korea
20:09 <Soul_keeper> nice
20:09 <KathrynM> thx
20:09 <KathrynM> laterz
20:09 <CoderForLife> cya
20:10 <CoderForLife> I'm gone away
20:10 <CoderForLife> laterz
20:21 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...
20:46 <xcamel> &wx 12074
20:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 45.5°F / 7.5°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers with a chance of thunderstorms this evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent. ; Thursday - Showers (1 more message)
20:46 <xcamel> &more
20:46 <Romulus> xcamel: likely. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent. ; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. ;
21:06 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046
21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 54.1°F / 12.3°C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 23.24in / 786.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6.3mph / 10.1km/h ; Tonight - Breezy. Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Snow level above 9000 feet decreasing to 8500 feet after midnight. Lows 33 to 41. West winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around (2 more messages)
21:06 <BadBarbarian> &more
21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 40 mph in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 30 percent. ; Thursday - Much cooler. Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers...snow showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 8000 feet. Highs 50 to 58. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. ; Thursday Night - Rain showers...snow showers and a slight chance of (1 more message)
21:06 <BadBarbarian> &more
21:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: thunderstorms. Snow accumulation 1 to 3 inches. Snow level 7000 to 7500 feet. Lows 29 to 37. Southwest winds around 15 mph. ; High Wind Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 7:00 PM MST on May 21, 2008;
21:09 <Tank_Master> snow?
21:09 <Romulus> Somebody said snow is fun, Tank_Master
21:09 <Tank_Master> fuch off, Romulus
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21:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
21:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 66.0°F / 18.9°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 40s. East wind 5 to 10 mph. ; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid (1 more message)
21:15 <wdsmia> &more
21:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent. ; Thursday Night - Cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Low in the lower 50s. East wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent. ;
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21:23 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
21:25 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
21:28 <BadBarbarian> 'lo dug & jay
21:28 <BadBarbarian> doug
21:28 <MTughan> Doug's a Dug?
21:28 <wdsmia> lol *lo BB
21:28 <wdsmia> well dinners calling bbl
21:28 <MTughan> Seeya.
21:29 <MTughan> And 'lo BB
21:29 <BadBarbarian> howdy Mt
21:30 <BadBarbarian> its starting to snow here
21:30 <MTughan> Where would "here" be?
21:30 <BadBarbarian> its not sticking yet give it time lol
21:30 <BadBarbarian> williams az
21:30 <MTughan> O_O
21:31 <MTughan> Kinda late for snow, isn't it?
21:31 <BadBarbarian> not at 7000 feet
21:31 <MTughan> Ah...
21:31 <freelarry> nah snows in montana all the way into the 4th of july
21:31 <BadBarbarian> yep
21:31 <BadBarbarian> here too
21:31 <MTughan> BB: That would be the Rocky Mountains?
21:32 <freelarry> now if i had snow at <600 ft i would be worried
21:32 <BadBarbarian> no at the edge of the grand canyon
21:32 <xcamel> 'lo BB
21:32 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel
21:32 <Tank_Master> xcamel!
21:32 <MTughan> Wow, didn't know the Grand Canyon was that high up.
21:32 <BadBarbarian> yep
21:33 <BadBarbarian> 6800 feet on the south rim 8200 feet on the north rim
21:33 <Tank_Master> whats about the other rim?
21:34 <BadBarbarian> huh
21:34 <xcamel> and a few dozen toes stuck in the river at the bottom
21:34 <MTughan> lol
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21:34 <PovAddict> &math convert 7000 feet to meter
21:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: 2133.6
21:35 <Tank_Master> BB is higher than most kites
21:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: Who cares about exact height? 7000 feet is high whatever way you look at it.
21:35 <BadBarbarian> &math convert 7325 feet to meters
21:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 2232.66
21:36 <PovAddict> I see 7000 and think it's *really* high... because I'm thinking about 7000m
21:36 <xcamel> meaningless to flatlanders..
21:36 <MTughan> How about a 230ft/70m high roller coaster?
21:36 * PovAddict just got a hacking attempt on email
21:37 <xcamel> the highest mountain in NY is only like 2500 feet
21:37 <PovAddict> a mail trying to pretend it's from M$, giving a security update
21:37 <BadBarbarian> bbl dinner calls
21:37 <MTughan> Any competent user knows M$ doesn't send emails...
21:37 <MTughan> Especially when you don't give them your email.
21:38 <Tank_Master> NY is flatter than most jr high school girls
21:38 <MTughan> Okay, that was just inappropriate.
21:38 <Tank_Master> LOL
21:38 <Romulus> STOP don't need a m!@#ive die size with lotsa of cache
21:38 <MTughan> And that's not true. Saskatchewan is flatter.
21:39 <PovAddict> it's clearly from Microsoft!
21:39 <MTughan> lol
21:39 <Tank_Master> when is the file you download int eh upload directory?
21:39 <Tank_Master> in the*
21:39 <MTughan> You know, this roller coaster is probably taller than the height difference in all of Saskatchewan... http://behemoth.canadaswonderland.com/public/ride/stats.cfm
21:39 <xcamel> that's what they say about the women from Saskatoon...
21:40 <MTughan> Oh, and Weird Al Yankovic thinks all Canadians want to drive Zamboni's all over Sask.
21:40 <MTughan> :P
21:41 <xcamel> 10 months a year they can...
21:41 <PovAddict> I read something interesting about people who always live in some flat/mountain area
21:42 <PovAddict> people who lived all their life in a flat area get kinda confused when they go to a place with mountains, they seem "surreal"
21:42 <PovAddict> people who lived all their life in a place with mountains also have trouble assimilating such a long range view, seeing up to the horizon
21:43 <MTughan> That's a traditional legend in Saskatchewan. You can see a grain elevator from miles away. xD
21:43 <xcamel> lol - my internal compass gets all fraked up when I go to the Baja
21:43 <MTughan> Never tested it myself.
21:44 <PovAddict> and on an extreme, there was some people who had always lived in the middle of the forest, never seeing anything farther than a few meters (trees everywhere)... and when taken out of there, they didn't even understand perspective
21:44 <freelarry> humm does anyone know if xp pro x86_64 fully utilize 4 gig of ram?
21:44 <Tank_Master> it fully utelizez 8GB
21:44 <PovAddict> it looked like magic to them because the cows got way smaller
21:44 <freelarry> you should try going from mountains/plains to middle of ocean for several months to really foul up a compass
21:45 <PovAddict> (because they were farther away)
21:45 <freelarry> thanks Tank_Master
21:45 <xcamel> lol
21:45 <PovAddict> freelarry: depends on proper mobo support and other things too
21:45 <freelarry> then all you see is rolling water horizon to horizon
21:45 <xcamel> been there, done that.
21:46 <freelarry> true - earlier mb's chipsets were limiting but getting new generation so should be alright there
21:46 <freelarry> same here xcamel and glad i retired from it
21:46 <Tank_Master> pov - id be one of those forest dwellers
21:46 <Tank_Master> cant even see my neighbor's house thats some 300 feet away
21:46 <xcamel> I like the desert
21:47 <Tank_Master> desert is to brown
21:47 * freelarry looks at blank spot on shelf and cries - cant wait till tomorrow when i fill it back in
21:47 <xcamel> Tank_Master the Ewok
21:47 <Tank_Master> and collorless
21:48 <xcamel> not hardly
21:49 * Tank_Master picks up freelarry and puts him on the shelf - there, now its filled again
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21:54 <Tank_Master> wb
21:55 <xcamel> off with me...
22:02 <Tank_Master> gn then
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23:03 <freelarry> sry Tank_Master - i only fill up half the shelf space available
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