IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-05-24

00:01 <freelarry> ah thought so bad sectors on the hd

00:06 <freelarry> will have to get another one tomorrow

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00:15 <Soul_keeper> buy me something too :)

00:17 <freelarry> lol - if i cant get a good message this time will have to try linux tools from f8 on the hd

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01:21 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

01:21 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 35.4F / 1.9C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 23.45in / 794.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Snow and rain showers. New snow accumulation 2 to 6 inches. Snow level 6500 feet. Lows 27 to 33. Southwest winds around 15 mph. ; Saturday - Breezy. Not as cool. Mostly cloudy. Snow and rain showers likely in the (2 more messages)

01:21 <BadBarbarian> &more

01:21 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: morning...a chance of rain and snow showers in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet increasing to 7500 feet in the afternoon. Highs 47 to 55. South winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. ; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of rain showers. Snow level 8500 feet. Lows 26 to 34. South winds (1 more message)

01:21 <BadBarbarian> &more

01:21 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the evening becoming light. ; Snow Advisory for Coconino County in effect until 6:00 AM MST on May 24, 2008;

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01:37 <freelarry> humm how do you convert kb to gb

01:38 <freelarry> &math 488375698/1024

01:38 <Romulus> freelarry: 476929.392578

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01:39 <freelarry> 500000000/1024

01:39 <zombie67> &math 500000000/1024

01:39 <Romulus> zombie67: 488281.25

01:40 <freelarry> you faster than i zombie67

01:41 <freelarry> thanks

01:41 <MTughan> What about...

01:41 <zombie67> copy/paste is a WAY better typist than I

01:41 <MTughan> &math convert 10 GiB KiB

01:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 10485760

01:41 <zombie67> MT!

01:41 <MTughan> I'm always on. Except when I'm asleep.

01:41 <zombie67> hows that GUI coming along?

01:41 <MTughan> Which I should be doing fairly soon.

01:41 <freelarry> thats what i was trying to remember

01:41 <MTughan> Oh, you mean the one on the laptop I don't have? :P

01:42 <zombie67> Wha?

01:42 <zombie67> again?!

01:42 <MTughan> My dad took away my laptop a while because of school.

01:42 <MTughan> while ago*

01:42 <Romulus> link to that thread

01:42 <zombie67> again or still?

01:42 <MTughan> Still.

01:43 <zombie67> wow.  long punishment!

01:43 <zombie67>

01:43 <Romulus> <> (at

01:43 <zombie67> how are you on now?

01:43 <MTughan> Naw, just lots of big assignments in school.

01:43 <MTughan> Wha?

01:43 <zombie67> how are you on the computer now, if you are banned?

01:44 <MTughan> I'm not. I'm on Linux.

01:44 <zombie67> heh.

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01:44 <zombie67> okay, with your laptop verboten, what machine are you using now?

01:44 <MTughan> Well, that's annoying... If you haven't saved your file and you quit Blender, it doesn't save...

01:45 <MTughan> I have two machines, remember? A laptop, and a (now) 4 year old desktop.

01:45 <zombie67> oh.  so then how is removing your laptop a punishment?

01:45 <MTughan> Because that was where most of my programming stuff was.

01:45 <zombie67> you have no backups?

01:45 <MTughan> Yeah.

01:46 <MTughan> Time Machine works fine.

01:46 <zombie67> So, what did you learn?

01:46 <zombie67> backup

01:46 <MTughan> I have backups.

01:46 <zombie67> then restore on your desktop

01:46 <zombie67> then carry on

01:46 <MTughan> This machine isn't running Mac OS X...

01:47 <MTughan> This is a PC I built myself 4 years ago.

01:47 <zombie67> so THAT is the REAL punishment

01:47 <MTughan> That I'm not on OS X?

01:47 <zombie67> he didn't remove HW or internet.  He removed OSX!

01:47 <MTughan> And programming.

01:47 <zombie67> ;)

01:48 <zombie67> bastard

01:48 <zombie67> odd to remove something constructive

01:48 <zombie67> but i guess he thought it was the cause of ...whatever it was

01:49 <zombie67> just install osx on your desktop

01:50 <MTughan> Naw, I'm good. Linux is more powerful than OS X in quite a few ways.

01:50 <zombie67> linux...a pale version of unix

01:51 <zombie67> better tools, maybe, but more powerful?

01:51 <MTughan> You haven't tried Compiz then.

01:52 <zombie67> is that a tool?

01:52 <MTughan> Window manager.

01:53 <zombie67> there are many multi-window managers for all flavors of **nix

01:54 <zombie67> oh!

01:54 <zombie67> I remember seeing this with SUSE

01:54 <zombie67> a couple of years ago

01:54 <zombie67> nice effects.

01:54 <zombie67> but "power"?

01:56 <MTughan> More tools. Open source.

01:57 <zombie67> okay.  I can accept that.  more tools.  but that doesn't make the OS more powerful...whatever that means too.

01:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm not quite sure either...

01:58 <MTughan> Although I have to say, Obj-C is easier to program in than C++. Even PovAddict can probably affirm that now. (He's in bed)

01:59 <zombie67> again, those are programming tools

01:59 <MTughan> At least with the APIs Apple provides. Whether Obj-C is easier than C++ in just the language is a personal choice.

01:59 <zombie67> the OS is the foundation.  telecoms care about the OS

01:59 <MTughan> I like Obj-C myself, although I can easily do C++.

01:59 <zombie67> this i know very well

01:59 <zombie67> I know a bit of BASIC

02:00 <MTughan> Oh, where's that link...

02:00 <MTughan>

02:00 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - CSI New York "VB GUI Interface" (at

02:01 <zombie67> i think i threw up in my mount a little bit

02:01 <MTughan> And FF crashed yet again... Must be about the 15th time now.

02:02 <zombie67> why is it the tv/movie folks can never seem to hire anyone who knows anything?

02:02 <zombie67> oh!

02:02 <MTughan> Problem isn't FF though. It's Flash.

02:02 <zombie67> do you remember jurassic park?

02:02 <MTughan> I've never seen it, but yes.

02:02 <zombie67>

02:02 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Jur!@#ic Park - Unix System Scene (at

02:03 <zombie67> 12 year old kid..."it's a unix system!  i know this!"

02:04 <zombie67> from 1993....

02:04 <zombie67> someone paid a LOT of money for that line....

02:05 <MTughan> Yes, and it has a 3D file browser. xD

02:05 <MTughan> 3D file browsers didn't come out until a few years ago, I think.

02:06 <zombie67> and the only "3D'" about is the graphic effects

02:07 <MTughan> That's still 3D. 3D doesn't mean smooth graphics, just means it looks like 3 dimensions.

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02:08 <zombie67> do you play Ikariam?

02:08 <MTughan> Never heard of it.

02:09 <zombie67>

02:09 <Romulus> Title: Ikariam - The free browser game (at

02:10 <MTughan> What about it?

02:10 <zombie67> a bunch of us over on ReiselSeive irc channel play on the Theta world

02:10 <MTughan> Ah...

02:10 <zombie67> building a city, colonies, plodering others

02:11 <zombie67> it's addictive... ;)

02:11 <MTughan> lol

02:12 <zombie67> you build up your city....learn more science...pillaging a navy...

02:13 <zombie67> if you are interested, join the Theta world.

02:13 <MTughan> Naw.

02:13 <zombie67> also let me know so you can join a fun alliance

02:13 <zombie67> okay

02:13 <MTughan> I don't need another addition. :P

02:13 <MTughan> addiction*

02:14 * MTughan has been doing too much math over the past few days

02:15 <MTughan> But I got a pen and a box of chocolates for it. :D

02:15 <zombie67> sweet!

02:15 <zombie67> that was a double entendre!

02:15 <MTughan> Well, for math and computing contents I've done over the school year, but yeah.

02:16 <zombie67> so how can you be praised and reprimanded at the same time?

02:19 <MTughan> You're on the laptop again?

02:20 <MTughan> That was taken away a while ago because of philosophy and english, not math.

02:20 <MTughan> &math calc 61 / 66 * 100

02:20 <Romulus> MTughan: 92.4242424242

02:20 <MTughan> That much percent on a recent Calculus test.

02:20 <MTughan> Calculus is rather interesting, BTW. And useful.

02:22 <MTughan> But I have to be off to bed... 2:20AM here.

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02:31 <zombie67> gn

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06:19 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 50.5F / 10.3C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs around 70. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. ; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming south in the afternoon. ;

06:19 <CoderForLife> &more

06:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Error: That's all, there is no more.

06:19 <CoderForLife> good

06:20 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

06:21 <CoderForLife> hello

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06:22 <CoderForLife> I'm trying to find a scenario where I can install F9 successfully

06:22 <KathrynM> I think I'm waiting until next weekend

06:23 <CoderForLife> can't use the DVD ISO on the target machine, because - while it has a DVD drive - it doesn't come up with a DVD driver, just CD

06:23 <CoderForLife> can't use the NET INSTALL ISO, because it segfaults when I tell it where the img files are

06:24 <KathrynM> someone on #fedora gave me this link

06:24 <KathrynM>

06:24 <Romulus> Title: Welcome Fedora Unity Spins (at

06:24 <CoderForLife> just downloaded the set of CD ISOs, checking the SHA1s

06:24 <Romulus> so i can almost hear your neighbors breathe.

06:24 <CoderForLife> depends on how heavy they're breathing, Rommie

06:25 <KathrynM>

06:25 <Romulus> <> (at

06:26 <KathrynM> I've gone to far into geeky because I understand it

06:27 <CoderForLife> holey-schmoley - 21 CDs in Fedora 9 Everything

06:28 <KathrynM> 21?

06:28 <KathrynM> hope you got a whole spindle

06:29 <CoderForLife> I'm not doing that - just the 6 basic CDs

06:29 <CoderForLife> doing last SHA1

06:29 <CoderForLife> sky not so pink/purple this morning

06:29 <CoderForLife> still woke up at 3:30am

06:29 <CoderForLife> 3 hours ago

06:30 <KathrynM> I've been in and out of bed all day

06:30 <KathrynM> stupid migraine

06:30 <KathrynM> which is why fedora waits for next weekend

06:30 <CoderForLife> sowwy

06:30 <KathrynM> had to go to the docs today because i took my last imitrex last night

06:30 <CoderForLife> last SHA1 checks

06:30 <KathrynM> all pass?

06:30 <CoderForLife> yup

06:31 <KathrynM> time to start burning

06:31 <CoderForLife> I'll wait to burn them after the Sat AM errands

06:31 <KathrynM> what's on tap today?

06:31 <CoderForLife> post office, ga$ $tation, bank, store, McD's, home

06:32 <KathrynM> ga$ $tation indeed

06:32 <KathrynM> gas over 4 bucks?

06:32 <CoderForLife> backed off a little

06:32 <CoderForLife> dunno fer sure - will find out shortly

06:32 <KathrynM> heh...  got a junk mail with the sender I'm Mike.Not Junk

06:33 <CoderForLife> I get 10 cents off per gallon using Kroger points

06:33 <KathrynM> every little bit helps

06:33 <CoderForLife> yes'm

06:34 <CoderForLife> also dl'd ubuntu desktop and server isos

06:34 <CoderForLife> need to check those also

06:34 <Romulus> to get back to my point is you don't need the decimal digits

06:35 <CoderForLife> they use md5 instead of SHA1

06:38 <CoderForLife> ubuntu 8.04 desktop checks

06:39 <CoderForLife> yes, what was your point, Rommie?

06:40 <KathrynM> Rommie had a point?

06:40 <CoderForLife> and ubuntu server checks out also

06:40 <CoderForLife> OK - time for the hunter/gatherer to go do so

06:41 <KathrynM> enjoy

06:41 <KathrynM> should be peaceful at this hout

06:41 <KathrynM> errrrrr hour

06:41 <CoderForLife> as if that were possible

06:41 <Romulus> is back (gone 02:36:34)

06:41 <CoderForLife> yeah - that's why I like to go early - not demolition derby in the lot with the cars, or in the store with the carts

06:41 <KathrynM> I hate grocery stores

06:42 <CoderForLife> they love my money - more all the time

06:42 <CoderForLife> I'm off

06:42 * CoderForLife waves his Kroger shoppng card

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07:09 <xcamel> 'lo

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07:28 <Didactylos> Does the Unicode collation sort abbreviations like Mc and St correctly?

07:32 <xcamel> dunno - never tried it

07:32 <Romulus> Please & thank you.

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07:47 <xcamel> &wx 12074

07:47 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 46.1F / 7.8C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...increasing to around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph this afternoon. ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to (1 more message)

07:47 <xcamel> &more

07:47 <Romulus> xcamel: 15 mph...decreasing to around 5 mph after midnight. ; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. ;

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08:46 <Didactylos> Rom just release a build that doesn't work for him. Why?!

08:49 <xcamel> which one?

08:49 <Romulus> Rumor has it which one is giving you headaches, xcamel

08:49 <xcamel> no - pollen is giving me headaches, Rom

08:49 <Romulus> says you da boss.

09:07 <xcamel> mighty quiet..

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09:17 <CoderForLife> back from the store

09:17 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel

09:17 <CoderForLife> hello jackygrahamez__

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09:52 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

09:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.6F / 15.9C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6.2mph / 10.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs around 70. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. ; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming south in the afternoon. ;

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09:54 * CoderForLife prices a machine to act as a Windows Server 2003 domain controller for software development (compatibility)

09:54 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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10:00 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

10:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 35.8F / 2.1C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 23.51in / 796.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Today - Not as cool. Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow and rain showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 6500 feet increasing to 7500 feet in the afternoon. Highs 47 to 55. Light winds becoming south around 15 (1 more message)

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10:00 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: mph in the late morning and afternoon. ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain showers. Snow level 8500 feet. Lows 29 to 35. South winds around 15 mph in the evening becoming light. ; Sunday - Not as cool. Partly cloudy. Highs 57 to 65. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon. ;

10:15 <CoderForLife> morning BadBarbarian

10:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

10:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 50.3F / 10.2C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 60s. Southeast wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent. ; (2 more messages)

10:16 <wdsmia> &more

10:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Tonight - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent. ; Sunday - Partly sunny with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Warmer. High in the mid 80s. South wind (1 more message)

10:16 <wdsmia> &more

10:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. ;

10:16 <CoderForLife> morning SirDougOfIowa

10:16 <wdsmia> mornin Ohio

10:17 <CoderForLife> four-letter states are so cool

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10:20 <wdsmia> had to do some animal control last night around midnight

10:20 <wdsmia> woke up with a bat flying around the bed room

10:21 <ELGono> hehe ruby has a second nightlife?

10:22 <wdsmia> ruby would be easyer to catch

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10:37 <CoderForLife> hey ELGono

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10:55 <CoderForLife> ah - fresh set of F9 install CDs - bbl

10:56 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

10:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 53.8F / 12.1C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog early in the morning. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 70. Light wind becoming south 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and (1 more message)

10:56 <Tank_Master> &more

10:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master: thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows 50 to 55. South wind 5 to 10 mph. ; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs 65 to 70. Light wind becoming west 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon. ;

11:31 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Why'd you slap me half an hour after I left?

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11:59 * PovAddict slaps MTughan

12:00 <MTughan> You're a big help...

12:00 <PovAddict> MTughan: why can *I* affirm ObjC is easier than C++, if I don't know ObjC? :)

12:01 <Romulus> how old your parents if your cpus aren't 'balls to the wiki after you if you're logged in :)

12:01 <MTughan> Programming techniques and how Cocoa manages it. I thought you'd see it in the iPod touch.

12:01 <PovAddict> gotta go, again... see ya in 4 hrs

12:01 <PovAddict> I still didn't get into learning ObjC and UIKit :)

12:02 <MTughan> Oh well. Bye.

12:02 <PovAddict> bai

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12:13 <CoderForLife> damn Miranda bug

12:14 <CoderForLife> "hello Pov<tab>(HD rattle)(HD rattle)(HD rattle>["We're Sorry"]"

12:15 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict MTughan

12:16 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

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13:16 <xcamel> nothing like a couple hours beating up on the sat dish...

13:20 * freelarry or almost burning fingertips on chipset heatsink

13:20 <freelarry> guess aftermarket fan in order

13:22 * freelarry note to self just get ethernet working then dl sp2 for x64 to attmpt setup

13:22 <freelarry> getting tired of reinstalling x64 all the time during driver updates

13:46 * CoderForLife copies his F9 install DVD to the web server to try a network install, as the last resort

13:49 <CoderForLife> I am so cheap, that it costs me a lot of time trying to shoehorn these later OSes onto antique hardware

13:50 <CoderForLife> If I can get F9 on my backup server, then I'll only buy one new box today to run a Windows domain controller, else I'll buy 2 and use the second as my backup web server

14:02 <freelarry> yeah know that CoderForLife - thnk i have dual problem with new machine - hd keeps curpting info and chipset hs excessively warm

14:02 <freelarry> definitely will ned fan if going to use for crunching

14:03 <CoderForLife> aside from those 2 minor things...

14:04 <CoderForLife> my cheapness is expensive

14:04 * CoderForLife abandons copying the DVD, tries copying the CDs

14:06 * CoderForLife ejects CD 1, loads CD 2

14:12 * CoderForLife ejects 2, loads 3

14:12 <CoderForLife> so.. slow..

14:13 * CoderForLife watches as Windows vainly searches the Linux install CD for some kind of software to charge money for

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14:15 <Ageless93> building a TV-serving PC

14:24 <CoderForLife> we did that here just before the new BSG season started

14:24 <CoderForLife> tore down my OpenSuSE machine

14:31 <Ageless93> I'm hoping this system works as I'm slightly going mad without TV

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14:42 <Ageless93> Members of Russia's Communist Party are calling for a nationwide boycott of the new Indiana Jones movie, saying it aims to undermine communist ideology and distort history.

14:42 <Ageless93>

14:42 <Romulus> <> (at

14:43 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

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15:28 <freelarry> &math convert 6 MiB KiB

15:28 <Romulus> freelarry: 6144

15:30 <freelarry> well CoderForLife i quess i'll dl f9 dvd and try to burn here also

15:30 <CoderForLife> Russians are complaining?  Who's next?  The Mayans??

15:30 <freelarry> of course

15:31 <CoderForLife> I'm throwing in the towel on my F7-to-F9 upgrade on the old box; about to order two new Dell machines

15:31 <freelarry> ahh well send the machnes hre then

15:31 <CoderForLife> which ones?

15:32 <freelarry> doing my last attempt at my new machine - if doesn't work then new parts time

15:33 <freelarry> i am going to push the store for a different hd tho as this one not good by chkdsk

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16:00 <CoderForLife> get a new brain for BabBarbarian while you're there, as it would appear

16:01 <Romulus> It may cause duplicate team names

16:01 <CoderForLife> s/Bab/Bad/g

16:19 <xcamel> bing/bang/boom

16:32 <xcamel> at least it warmed up a bit...

16:36 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: did you report that Miranda bug and whine about it?

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16:38 <CoderForLife> no PovAddict - I only cuss and wave my arms wildly as I run around the room

16:40 <xcamel> don't trip over something...

16:40 <PovAddict> that'll get it fixed quick :)

16:40 * CoderForLife wonders why doesn't have the 16 CD Fedora 9 Everything distro

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16:41 <xcamel> cfl - the active part of that front died out (too much cold air) - no worries now.

16:43 <CoderForLife> thx for the update Jay

16:43 <CoderForLife> did you listen to the link?

16:44 <CoderForLife> it wasn't on Rich's radar </pun>

16:45 <CoderForLife> ordered a couple of Dell machines today

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16:47 <PovAddict> Didactylos: we need a Trac template to say "this page was moved to mediawiki" and the link to the new page

16:47 <CoderForLife> nuthin' fancy - a couple of their "on sale" Vostro 200 mini-towers - $399 each including a 20" flat panel monitor with each

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16:48 <Didactylos> Shouldn't it be a redirect?

16:48 <CoderForLife> let's make it a toll gate

16:50 <PovAddict> redirects depend on nagging SOMEONE to tweak the server configuration... I'd rather not

16:51 <CoderForLife> on top of that, since Dell allows payment with multiple credit cards, I was able to finally use the $25 VISA debit gift card I got from w@#% last Christmas

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16:55 * Rookie_69 sticks his nose in tenetively and sniffs around.

16:56 <PovAddict> you're making us miss Spit_theDog...

16:57 <Rookie_69> We all miss Spit_theDog :-(

16:59 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

17:00 <xcamel> yo, yo.

17:00 <yoyo[RKN]> I try to compile a graphic app on Linux, but do not have a static libGLU?

17:00 <yoyo[RKN]> it is Suse Linux

17:10 * Rookie_69 goes and quietly hides in a corner because he doesn't know John Feces about that sort of thing.

17:12 <xcamel> good move..

17:12 <Rookie_69> Lol. Hi, Jay.

17:16 <xcamel> Hi Glenn

17:18 <Rookie_69> Your weather good today? I'm hoping for a nice tomorrow.

17:23 <Rookie_69> Stastically speaking, there is a fifty percent chance that Jay's weather today is going to be my weather tomorrow.That's better odds than the forecast.

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17:42 <CoderForLife> Dell is stupid

17:43 <CoderForLife> I used a $25 gift card on the order, since Dell supports 2 credit cards used in a transaction

17:43 <CoderForLife> They charged the card twice

17:43 <CoderForLife> First they charged it with $0.02, I guess to be sure the card existed

17:44 <CoderForLife> then they came through with a charge for $24.99, which was declined

17:44 <CoderForLife> my order is now hung on a credit card problem

17:45 * Rookie_69 doesn't own a valid credit card anymore :-S

17:45 * CoderForLife finishes his e-mail to Dell, since their credit department is closed for the holiday weekend

17:46 <CoderForLife> this was a gift card from w@#%

17:46 <CoderForLife> that I was excited to finally be able to use

17:46 <CoderForLife> $25 debit card

17:46 <CoderForLife> so Dell tries to charge $25.01 to it

17:46 <CoderForLife> idiots

17:46 <Rookie_69> Lol.

17:47 <Rookie_69> Sue the bastards!

17:49 <CoderForLife> I could become chairman of the board...

17:49 <CoderForLife> while HP claws their eyes out

17:49 <Rookie_69> ... or Bored man of the Chair...

17:50 <CoderForLife> you'd think they'd have this e-commerce thing figured out by now...

17:50 <CoderForLife> wait - didn't they *start* it??

17:50 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:52 <Rookie_69> They got your two cents... then blackballed you... They already have the other $24.98... Sounds good to me...

17:52 <CoderForLife> no - the $24.98 balance remains on the card

17:53 <Rookie_69> ... in Dell dollars...

17:55 <Rookie_69> Oh... Hi, Don.

17:55 <CoderForLife> Who did you think this was?

17:56 <Rookie_69> Don... I just forgot to say hi.

17:56 <PovAddict> lol

17:57 <CoderForLife> oh, ok, hi

17:57 <Romulus> took me several hours to get up and get enough of a statement.

17:57 <Rookie_69> Oh... belated Hi, Don.

17:57 <Rookie_69> :-)

17:57 <PovAddict> lol@romulus

17:57 <CoderForLife> even Rommie is slow

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17:58 <PovAddict> hey dizzie

17:58 <dizzie> Greetings

17:58 <PovAddict> according to Romulus, you've last been here a year ago!

17:58 <dizzie> And long time no see

17:58 <dizzie> No kidding :)

17:59 <xcamel> and salutations...

17:59 <CoderForLife> wow  Hi Dizzie

17:59 <dizzie> Hello xcamel :)

17:59 <PovAddict> <Romulus> dizzie was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 23 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 4 seconds ago

17:59 <dizzie> CFL :)

17:59 <xcamel> Hiya, Diz

17:59 <dizzie> What i missed ? =)

17:59 <CoderForLife> lol

17:59 <xcamel> &seen dizzie

17:59 <Romulus> xcamel: dizzie was last seen in #boinc 13 seconds ago: <dizzie> What i missed ? =)

17:59 <xcamel> oh whell

18:00 <Rookie_69> Nothing, really...

18:00 <CoderForLife> there was that Berlin Wall thing...

18:00 <dizzie> Guess i should start finding a boinc client to start with :)

18:00 <PovAddict> &linux

18:00 <Romulus> It has been said that linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict

18:00 <dizzie> Any recommendation for a duo core

18:01 <PovAddict> ugh

18:01 <PovAddict> &whatis linux

18:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: "linux" could be

18:01 <CoderForLife> I have a recommendation: run boinc on it

18:01 <dizzie> Uhuh

18:01 <PovAddict> oh wait, you use ubuntu? you could apt-get it :) those packages are good nowadays

18:02 <dizzie> Apt-get! I prefer compile my stuff myself thanks :)

18:02 * CoderForLife loves the easy questions

18:02 <dizzie> Dont we all

18:03 <CoderForLife> a-yuppa

18:03 <PovAddict> well compiling the boinc client is relatively easy

18:03 <Rookie_69> 42!

18:03 <PovAddict> as for the manager...

18:03 * PovAddict looks at xcamel

18:03 <dizzie> I used to run the boinc client as a shell script, let alone fancy gui stuff :)

18:04 <dizzie> As for gui, CFL i take it you are using Vista ?

18:04 <PovAddict> step 1, get wxwidgets development stuff; step 2, prepare the appropriate sacrifices...

18:05 <dizzie> step 1.5 run it in a "screen"

18:05 * CoderForLife falls off his chair

18:06 <xcamel> the manager is working fine..

18:06 <CoderForLife> where'd you get the idea that I run Vista?

18:06 * Rookie_69 wonders how he even got BOINC to run under linux...

18:07 <CoderForLife> look - it's been a year, but I haven't lost my mind yet

18:07 <DerMeister> Well, installing wxWidgtes is quite easy... Although it takes some time...

18:07 <dizzie> Just a hunch

18:07 <dizzie> Vista is... Can i swear in here ? =)

18:07 <dizzie> *cough*

18:07 <xcamel> only at vista

18:07 <PovAddict> DerMeister: from xcamel's experience, looked like installing wxWidgets is easy and getting BOINC to compile with it is a pain

18:07 <PovAddict> but that was a while ago

18:07 <CoderForLife> the family filter has a Vista by-pass

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18:08 <dizzie> Vista is fine, if you like eyecandy at extraordinaire, and then some more

18:08 <PovAddict> not even then...

18:08 <xcamel> install wxw, and just download the prebuilt u-bunny graphic version.

18:08 <DerMeister> PovAddict: Well, I compiled 5.10 on linux (using the gentoo ebuild) and some versions from svn on windos - no problems on any platform there

18:08 <Romulus> or somehow sequester the oxygen

18:09 <CoderForLife> and slow performance, incompatible drivers, and answering hundreds of security queries

18:09 <PovAddict> if you want eye candy, get a compositing window manager, not Windoze Vista :)

18:09 <xcamel> vista sucks...

18:09 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:09 <Rookie_69> Composting Windoze?

18:09 <dizzie> I'm using Gnome2 atm :)

18:09 <CoderForLife> is that like a composting toilet?

18:10 <xcamel> looks better in KDE

18:10 <PovAddict> dizzie: your CTCP VERSION lies then? "xchat 2.8.4 Ubuntu"

18:10 <PovAddict> xcamel: running kubuntu with compiz here :)

18:10 <dizzie> xcamel, i donno by you, but a OS that "require" 512mb just to install, cant in my world be taken that serious

18:10 <xcamel> compiz on kde

18:10 <dizzie> PovAddict, lies?

18:11 <dizzie> I am in Ubuntu, and i am using Xchat

18:11 <PovAddict> dizzie: oh misread >_<

18:11 <CoderForLife> there are lies, damn lies and Microsoft

18:11 * dizzie hands PovAddict some fresh brewed coffee

18:11 <PovAddict> dizzie: silly me saw the 'g' and thought 'gentoo'

18:11 <dizzie> Gentoo is a filemanger on my FreeBSD box

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18:12 <dizzie> as for distro, try Sabayon

18:13 <dizzie> kubuntu, kde4?

18:13 * PovAddict should have installed /home/ in a separate partition...

18:13 <dizzie> kde4 is awesome

18:13 <PovAddict> no, kde3

18:13 <dizzie> a shame

18:13 <dizzie> upgrade to 4 :)

18:13 <PovAddict> hey first time I install a Linux desktop :P

18:13 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go sit with a couple of books and read for awhile

18:13 <CoderForLife> cya folks

18:13 <CoderForLife> wb dizzie

18:13 <dizzie> Enjoy CFL, and nice talking with you again :)

18:14 <CoderForLife> likewise

18:14 <dizzie> Thank you

18:14 * PovAddict thinks... now if only Spit came back too...

18:16 <PovAddict> I really should have installed /home in a separate partition so i could reinstall the OS or even change distro easily

18:17 * Rookie_69 puts incandescent bulb in bedside reading lamp and realizes that he's used flourescents for a few years now.

18:18 <PovAddict> using CFLs? :)

18:18 <dizzie> You can still fix it, by copy the entire /home dir to a newly mounted partition, then edit fstab, and reboot

18:18 <Rookie_69> Ow! Hot... and bright.

18:19 <MTughan> Halogens or incandescents?

18:19 <Rookie_69> Incandescent

18:19 * Rookie_69 needs to buy more tubes.

18:20 <MTughan> Buy compact fluorescents, as Pov said. CFLs.

18:20 <Rookie_69> CFL sells compact flourescents?

18:21 <MTughan> I was wondering when someone else would notice it...

18:21 <MTughan> CFL -> CoderForLife or Compact Fluorescent Light.

18:21 <Rookie_69> Lol.

18:21 <Rookie_69> Little spirally tubes.

18:21 <xcamel> led packs are safer

18:22 <MTughan> Those be them.

18:22 <MTughan> A 13W CFL gives roughly the same amount of light as a 60W incandescent.

18:22 <MTughan> &math convert 13 / 60 * 100

18:22 <Romulus> MTughan: Error:  is not a valid unit.

18:22 <MTughan> &math 13 / 60 * 100

18:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 21.6666666667

18:23 <MTughan> Using 22% of the energy.

18:23 <Rookie_69> Don't know if I can handle led light... The mercury in flourescent lighting is bad enough.

18:23 * Rookie_69 ducks

18:23 <xcamel> the LED equiv would be 10.6W

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18:24 <xcamel> they are tuneable for color now...

18:24 <MTughan> So a little less. Although you can't really get pure white LEDs.

18:24 <MTughan> They always have a blueish hue.

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18:25 <xcamel> I work with the LRC at RPI - you would be amazed...

18:25 <MTughan> How expensive are they?

18:25 <xcamel> too expensive for the moment..

18:26 <MTughan> CFLs are a little more than incandescents.

18:26 <Rookie_69> One of the guys brought over a couple of books that are actually printed on paper, so I figured I should do something with my reading lamp.

18:26 <MTughan> Oh, those archaic printed books? xD

18:27 <xcamel> but the prices are coming down, and the LED's will retain the same color for 100's of thousands of hours

18:27 <Rookie_69> Papryus, I think...

18:27 <MTughan> Yeah. They'll kill incandescents and fluorescents at some point, but not within the next two years.

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18:28 <MTughan> Rookie_69: I've got probably about 50 books upstairs.

18:28 <xcamel> so the cost of the lamp is super cheap considering how long it will last..

18:28 <MTughan> But it's dinnertime...

18:28 <MTughan> xcamel: Tell that to consumers. They want instant prices, not long term prices.

18:28 <MTughan> Anyway, bbl.

18:28 <BB_Work> howdy all

18:28 <xcamel> 'lo BB

18:28 <BB_Work> &wx 86023

18:28 <Romulus> BB_Work: Temperature: 51F / 10.6C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers early in the evening...a slight chance of rain showers in the late evening and overnight. Lows around 29 on the North Rim to around 52 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph in the evening (2 more messages)

18:29 <BB_Work> 'lo xcamel

18:29 <BB_Work> &more

18:29 <Romulus> BB_Work: becoming light. Chance of showers 30 percent. ; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 50 on the North Rim to around 78 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph in the afternoon. ; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 33 on the North Rim to around 56 along the Colorado River. (1 more message)

18:29 <BB_Work> &more

18:29 <Romulus> BB_Work: Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph in the evening becoming light. ;

18:30 <Rookie_69> Working sucks.

18:30 <wdsmia> asks Rookie_69 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:30 <Rookie_69> working on a saturday sux more.

18:31 <Rookie_69> Working this late on a saturday is absolutely horrible.

18:32 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: "work" is a censored word here

18:32 * Rookie_69 uses dirty words... Just ask wdsmia...

18:35 <BB_Work> me too

18:40 * wdsmia asks Rookie_69 to take a long walk off a short peer... Thanks, your frindly channel op.

18:40 * Rookie_69 wonders if wdsmia is his short peer...

18:41 * Rookie_69 forgets how talll wdsmia is.

18:41 <Rookie_69> ... tall...

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18:45 <Rookie_69> Oh... Pier. Splash!

18:45 <dizzie> My old team seems dead, who want me and my credits ? =)

18:45 <Romulus> where is mweltin when you talk - I'll give him another injection

18:46 * KathrynM is back (gone 11:10:39)

18:46 <dizzie> Mmmm public away ;)

18:46 * Rookie_69 hates the English language except when it works in his advantage.

18:46 * KathrynM hates the English Language M-F

18:46 <KathrynM> It's OK on the weekends

18:46 <Rookie_69> Lol. Hi, K.

18:46 <KathrynM> moanin everyone

18:47 <dizzie> Greetings Kathryn :)

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18:47 <KathrynM> Hi dizzie.  I don't believe we've met.

18:48 <dizzie> No we dont, and i admit i havent been running boinc for like 1? year or so. I thought people had forgot me here, but i wasnt that lucky ;)

18:48 <Rookie_69> Dizzie was here once or twice before.

18:48 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

18:48 <dizzie> Silly bot, go shuddup :)

18:48 <KathrynM> You can checkout any time you like,

18:48 <KathrynM> But you can never leave!

18:48 <dizzie> &dizzie

18:48 <Romulus> dizzie is in Ubuntu, and i am using Xchat, dizzie

18:49 <dizzie> No kidding :)

18:49 <dizzie> No one wants me and my credits, and my old team is "dead"

18:49 <dizzie> I guess i could go solo then :P

18:49 <PovAddict> TFFE maybe

18:50 <Rookie_69> Who?

18:50 <KathrynM> TFFE of course

18:50 <KathrynM> We take all the nuts

18:50 <dizzie> Mhm

18:50 <Rookie_69> What's a Tuffie?

18:50 <KathrynM> someone who has survived the nurses

18:50 <Rookie_69> Oh... a bunch of nuts.

18:50 <efc> Moo

18:50 <dizzie> Not the nurses!

18:51 <dizzie> Hey efc :)

18:51 <PovAddict> KathrynM: I asked Romulus right after dizzie joined

18:51 <Rookie_69> !ooM

18:51 <PovAddict> KathrynM: <Romulus> dizzie was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 23 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours ago

18:51 <dizzie> Lies!

18:52 <dizzie> Dont believe that silly bot :)

18:52 <KathrynM> yeah, I've een here less than a year

18:52 <KathrynM> Feels like a decade tho

18:52 <dizzie> KathrynM, i been running seti/boinc since 2002 :)

18:52 <PovAddict> we make it seem long, like torture? :P

18:52 <KathrynM> heh

18:52 <KathrynM> torture is reading the writng the kids do

18:53 <KathrynM> and even worse that the teachers do

18:53 * Rookie_69 has been a masochist for four years or so.

18:53 <PovAddict> KathrynM: how long BOINCing?

18:54 <KathrynM> 3 years in october

18:54 <KathrynM> did a bit of Seti classic at the beginning, but got bored with it

18:54 * PovAddict checks seti website

18:54 <PovAddict> 30 Mar 2005

18:55 <KathrynM> 15 Oct 2005

18:55 <Rookie_69> 29 May 2003

18:55 <PovAddict> when I found about SETI@Home, they already had a big scary notice on the download page telling you not to get that, but to go to boinc website instead

18:55 <KathrynM> I started at E@H and Rosie

18:55 <KathrynM> I mean I started back in what, 97? 99? with classic

18:56 <KathrynM> seti specializes in big scary notices

18:59 <dizzie> My first pc i ran seti on was a 233mhz :p

18:59 <dizzie> Took a while for a unit hehe

19:00 * Rookie_69 wishes he had someone else's back, knees, ankles, etc.

19:00 <PovAddict> 400mhz here, I think

19:00 <dizzie> Been at work for 14 hours today, you sure you want my back ? =)

19:01 <PovAddict> hmm actually I think I attached the P4 first, *then* the old 400mhz

19:01 <dizzie> Earned 400$ though

19:01 <dizzie> I still got my old P233 :p

19:01 <PovAddict> I'll have your money, Rookie_69 can have your back

19:01 <dizzie> PovAddict, only if you can withstand what i did at work :p

19:01 <Rookie_69> I was watching Cosmos and a S@H screensaver came up with the name Carl on it... ~300? hours to completion?

19:02 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: wut

19:02 <PovAddict> 300hrs on SETI?

19:02 <PovAddict> wtf

19:02 <KathrynM> lol sounds like astropulse

19:02 <Romulus> hates MS for some reason.

19:02 <KathrynM> don't we all rommie

19:02 * dizzie pats Romulus

19:02 * KathrynM loves her Fedora

19:03 <dizzie> I think i had Windows for like 25min on this laptop

19:03 <dizzie> Or was it that long?

19:03 <dizzie> Hehe

19:03 <Rookie_69> SETI classic... beta? Carl Sagan in 1979 or 1980???

19:03 <KathrynM> for school my brother had to put windows on his new macbook

19:03 <KathrynM> he almost died

19:03 <dizzie> KathrynM, Fedora9 ?

19:03 <KathrynM> F7 still

19:03 <KathrynM> gonna upgrade my other machine to F8

19:03 <KathrynM> maybe

19:04 <KathrynM> it's such a chore to do that machine because of the stupid ati chipset

19:04 <KathrynM> F7 works.  No need to upgrade the daily driver

19:04 <dizzie> Fedora9 lived for 20 min here, until i found out that the mm codecs costed to download/use..

19:04 * PovAddict installs sl

19:04 <dizzie> sl?

19:04 <Rookie_69> Episode 13, anyways.

19:06 <PovAddict> dizzie: makes you notice when you mistype ls

19:06 <dizzie> ls -l

19:06 <PovAddict> sl - display animations aimed to correct users who accidentally enter sl instead of ls.

19:06 <PovAddict> -l     shows little one.

19:06 <dizzie> Hehe

19:06 <dizzie> ls -la

19:06 <PovAddict> -F     It flies.

19:07 <PovAddict> -a     An accident seems to happen. You’ll feel pity for people who cry for help.

19:09 <dizzie> *notes to self* Check volume BEFORE hitting "play" in Rythmbox !

19:10 <dizzie> 1am here mind you ;)

19:11 <Rookie_69> Volume automatically resets itself to too high or too low...

19:15 * Rookie_69 buggers off to bed.

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19:51 <CoderForLife> did someone equate me to a lightbulb?

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19:52 <CoderForLife> Maybe "Canadian Football League", MTughan

20:00 <CoderForLife> since we were doing seti comparisons, my seti date is 14 May 1999

20:00 <Tank_Master> my start date for SETI is 01-01-01

20:01 <Romulus> doesn't see that and it blocked me :E

20:01 <CoderForLife> binary?

20:01 <Tank_Master> Jan 1st, 2001

20:01 <CoderForLife> =)

20:01 <CoderForLife> I thought you were sending a signal to E.T.

20:02 <Tank_Master> lol

20:02 <Tank_Master> no, I havent got their area code so I can phone them

20:03 <CoderForLife> I imagine their surveillance program has that covered

20:05 * CoderForLife drags himself away, bed-ward

20:05 <Tank_Master> gn

20:05 <CoderForLife> gn folks

20:06 * CoderForLife waves his "Resist The Greys" t-shirt

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20:50 <efc> moo

20:51 <Soul_keeper> gettum efc gettum !!!

20:51 <efc> WhereWhereWhere ?

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20:53 * Ageless93 is no longer away : Gone for 6 hours 10 minutes 40 seconds

20:53 <Ageless93> the tv serving PC works great

20:54 <Ageless93> if only it would remember that a TV is connected... now everytime I reboot I have to hook my monitor on first. But that's something for tomorrow. Just watched Die Hard 4.0 without stutters. yay!Q

20:56 <Ageless93> now I just need some 15 meters of network cable and it's finished.

20:57 * efc needs to burn off some more fat

21:03 <Ageless93> is WCG down again?

21:03 <Tank_Master> WCG is never down

21:04 <Ageless93> lol, you sure? it isn't loading either.

21:04 <Tank_Master> its the highest uptime of any project

21:05 <Ageless93> it's had some down time the past couple of weeks though. Forums and main site. But okay, it took a while and it's now loaded.

21:05 <Soul_keeper> wcg works here

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23:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

23:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 61.6F / 16.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Clear. A 50 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Warmer. Low in the lower 60s. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph. ; Sunday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then showers (2 more messages)

23:49 <wdsmia> &more

23:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Warmer. High in the mid 80s. South wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent. ; Sunday Night - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall in the evening. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall after midnight. Low in the mid 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

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23:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 70 percent. ; Flash Flood Watch for Polk County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on May 26, 2008;

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