IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-05-26

00:02 <Tank_Master> thats the nicest insult I have seen!

00:05 <wdsmia> yea it was

00:05 <Tank_Master> &insult wdsmia

00:05 <Romulus> wdsmia - You are nothing but a goatish accumulation of wayward carpet.

00:06 <wdsmia> &insult Tank_Master

00:06 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a dankish pile of vain retch.

00:06 <sethy> i need to so learn that tom fool's knot

00:08 <wdsmia> &insult sethy

00:08 <Romulus> sethy - You are nothing but a gorbellied pile of clouted hair.

00:08 <sethy> ...

00:08 <sethy> &insult wdsmia

00:08 <Romulus> wdsmia - You are nothing but an unintelligent half-mouthful of fermented IE.

00:09 * wdsmia likes hes IE on the rocks

00:09 <wdsmia> err his

00:11 <sethy> i'm kinda worried now

00:11 <sethy> looks a little like doomsday outside

00:14 * wdsmia fixes midrats Salami and cheese

00:16 * wdsmia adds some smoked ham and bread

00:17 * Tank_Master notes the bread is already smoked

00:17 <sethy> oh thanks for telling me

00:17 <sethy> outluck has only just noticed my birthday is 15 weeks overdue

00:37 <sethy> some color images uploaded from phoenix

00:37 <PovAddict> linkage

00:38 <PovAddict> !

00:38 <sethy>

00:38 <Romulus> <> (at

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00:38 <Tank_Master>

00:38 <Romulus> Title: NASA - Phoenix (at

00:39 <sethy> MTughan_: color images uploaded

00:39 <sethy> not actual collor images, they are edits, non-the-less looks kinda real

00:40 <sethy> or what to expect

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00:41 <PovAddict> faek

00:41 <sethy> i said

00:42 <PovAddict> don't they have a color camera <.<

00:42 <sethy> no

00:42 <sethy> they are not rich like us pov

00:42 <PovAddict> lame

00:42 <Tank_Master> there are 2 color pics

00:42 <PovAddict> LOL

00:42 <Tank_Master>

00:42 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: fake color

00:42 <Romulus> <> (at

00:42 <Tank_Master>

00:42 <Romulus> <> (at

00:42 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: they colored the gray original images

00:42 <PovAddict> look at the URLs :P

00:43 <Tank_Master> not fake

00:43 <Tank_Master> false

00:43 <PovAddict> same diff

00:43 <Tank_Master> theres a differnce

00:43 <sethy> name it

00:43 <Tank_Master> to change the contrast is to make it false color

00:43 <sethy> in which case

00:43 <sethy> it becomes a fake of the origional

00:44 <Tank_Master> faluse color just meane its not the "natural" color

00:44 <sethy> both are bool statements

00:44 <sethy> henceforth, i win

00:44 * sethy hands out cake

00:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: the original has no color at all

00:45 <sethy> blacks grays and whites are contrasts

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00:59 <sethy> ROMMIE

00:59 <sethy> &google math 5 feet 8 inch to metres

00:59 <Romulus> sethy: Search took 0.20 seconds: What's 5 ft 8 in meters? - Yahoo! Answers: <>; Math problems? - Yahoo! Answers: <>; Convert-Me.Com - online units conversion :: View topic - convert ...: <>; BC Education - Mathematics 10 to (2 more messages)

00:59 <sethy> thanks?

01:00 <PovAddict> &google calc 5 feet 8 inch to metres

01:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: 5 feet 8 inch = 1.7272 meters

01:00 <Romulus> it's C, with a cl!@# into the crypt code some more

01:00 <PovAddict> yeah sort of

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02:28 <Tidus> hello all

02:29 <Tank_Master> &seen all

02:29 <Romulus> Tank_Master: I have not seen all.

02:29 <Tank_Master> sorry, all is not here

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02:35 <Tidus> lol

02:35 <Tidus> funy

02:35 <Tidus> funny* rather ...

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02:41 <Tidus> dizzie: !!

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03:28 <freelarry> dang can understand CoderForLife irritation with f9 - the installation disk doesn't want to boot

03:29 <freelarry> f8 boots up tho

03:32 <Tidus> lol yeah... my main frustration with F8 was it was unstable for me

03:42 <Tank_Master> my main frustration for server 2008 is that it is to stable

03:42 <Tidus> lol

03:42 <Tank_Master> no excuse to reboot to up the CPU clock

03:42 <Tank_Master> :P

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03:56 <freelarry> lol well trying to install f8 on new machine just to get running

03:57 <freelarry> have to research how to make new install disk for xppro x86_64 with sp2 as only have the oem relase 1 version here and it keeps crashing on install

03:57 <Tidus> lol...

03:58 <freelarry> so far f8 installling just fine will now once i get a chance to try cold startup

03:58 <freelarry> right now running on live cd

04:03 <freelarry> seems to boot right up from hd

04:08 <Tidus> cool

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04:26 <CoderForLife> morning freelarry

04:27 <CoderForLife> my problem with F9 was mainly trying to shoehorn it onto very old, low capacity hardware

04:30 <Tidus> howdy CFL

04:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.8F / 14.9C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this morning...then numerous showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds this afternoon. Highs in the lower (2 more messages)

04:30 <CoderForLife> hello Tidus

04:30 <Romulus> I bet my pastebin link exprired

04:30 <Tidus> and i normally use xubuntu if shoehorning onto small machines

04:30 <Tidus> it runs comfortably on my old p3-500 dell that's only got 128mb ram

04:31 <CoderForLife> look me 5 tries to get ubuntu 6 onto my little box

04:31 <Tidus> the trick is to use the alternate installer cd instead of the one that combines a livecd with the installer

04:31 <CoderForLife> had to installl Mandriva One first, to get the swap set up

04:31 <Tidus> the alternate cd uses the standard debian installer

04:31 <Tidus> which will warn you if you dont have enough ram and offer to set up swap before it continues

04:32 * CoderForLife has an instinctive recoil anytime Debian is mentioned

04:32 <Tidus> lol

04:32 <Tidus> that's ok

04:32 <Tidus> i'm on my toy now :P

04:32 <Tidus> Linux Kilika 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 #1 Sun May 25 02:52:19 CDT 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

04:32 <Tidus> Gentoo Base System release 2.0.0

04:33 <CoderForLife> I don't know why, except I came the Red Hat way

04:33 <CoderForLife> started my Linux journey on RH 4.2

04:33 <Tidus> i started my linux journey with Mandrake 9.0

04:33 <freelarry> k i think i see why f9 doesn't boot errors in the images that ause io errors when copyng files to hd

04:33 <CoderForLife> on the same box that ubuntu is on now

04:33 <freelarry> so bad iso dl'ed

04:33 <Tidus> freelarry: that bites

04:34 <Tidus> CoderForLife: the machine that i started my linux journey on is still in use... it's a friend of mine's firewall/gateway machine now :P

04:34 <freelarry> yeah in the images and isolinux folders on dvd

04:34 <Tidus> old p2-266 HP professional workstation

04:35 <freelarry> everything else is copying to hd foldr

04:35 <CoderForLife> &more

04:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. ; Tonight - Widespread showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds in the evening. Muggy. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent. ; Tuesday - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms (1 more message)

04:35 <freelarry> so guess i'll try dl'ing and burning a new dvd again

04:36 <Tidus> &wx 72764

04:36 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 75.0F / 23.9C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds around 10 mph. ; Memorial Day - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 80s. (1 more message)

04:36 <Tidus> &more

04:36 <Romulus> Tidus: South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. ; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds around 10 mph. ;

04:36 <CoderForLife> &more

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north in the afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent. ;

04:36 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

04:36 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 55.0F / 12.8C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening...then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows 50 to 55. Northwest wind 10 mph. ; Memorial Day - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs around 70. West wind 10 (1 more message)

04:36 <Tank_Master> &more

04:36 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph. ; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening. Lows 50 to 55. Southwest wind 10 mph. ;

04:36 <CoderForLife> hmm t-storms, hail, damaging winds

04:36 <Tidus> lol

04:36 <Tank_Master> fun stuff

04:37 <CoderForLife> oh my!

04:37 <Tidus> CoderForLife: you'll like the toy that i'm getting soon as i figure out if i have enough credit...

04:37 * CoderForLife copies files from Stephen's mass storage back to his machine

04:38 <CoderForLife> I disenfragulated my hard drive last night

04:38 <Tidus> CoderForLife: Apple MacBook Pro... the 15" model, 200gb HD, 2gb ram

04:38 <CoderForLife> hey nice Tidus

04:38 <Tidus> either that or the 24" iMac ... depends on if i want a new laptop or new desktop

04:38 <Tank_Master> Apple CrapBook

04:39 <Tidus> Tank_Master: the regular macbook, yes i agree

04:39 <Tank_Master> :P

04:39 <Tidus> thanks to intel's crappy GMAx3100 video

04:39 <Tidus> the MBP has an nvidia 8600m-gt in it

04:39 <Tank_Master> I hear the airbook isnt to good either

04:39 <CoderForLife> too thin =)

04:40 <Tidus> too small

04:40 <Tidus> and only has *ONE* usb port

04:40 <Tank_Master> to limited

04:40 <Tidus> wanna know the sad thing about apple machines?

04:40 <Tidus> they run windows faster than a true PC

04:40 <Tank_Master> over priced linux?

04:41 <CoderForLife> too hungry

04:41 <CoderForLife> oh wait - that's *me*

04:41 <Tidus> lol

04:41 <Tank_Master> hehe

04:41 <Tidus> Tank_Master: technically, it's overpriced BSD

04:41 <CoderForLife> need some breakfast - brb

04:41 <Tank_Master> yeah, was going to correct myself

04:41 <Tidus> but apple's machines run windows faster than a similarly equipped, say, Dell or HP

04:42 <Tank_Master> that I havent herd

04:42 <Tidus> that and it's extremely easy to dual-run on them

04:42 <Tidus> parallels desktop

04:42 <Tidus> allows you to run OSX and windows side-by-side

04:43 <Tank_Master> that I knew

04:43 <Tank_Master> you can also run OSX on a PC

04:43 <Tidus> and the new version of parallels allows 3d gaming

04:43 <Tank_Master> though the perforance is carp and buggy

04:43 <Tidus> i had OSX 10.4.9 on my athlon-64... didn't run too bad except only 1gb ram

04:44 <Tidus> it's about as hungry as vista when it comes to ram

04:44 <Tank_Master> lol

04:45 <Tank_Master> probably takes as much disk space to

04:45 <Tank_Master> but its not windows, so it must be praised, right?

04:45 <Tank_Master> :P

04:45 <Tidus> as for disk space... it's actually not too bad

04:45 <Tidus> full install of just the OS takes about half what vista does

04:46 <Tidus> and lol... classic, but still funny

04:46 <Tidus>

04:46 <Romulus> <> (at

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04:54 <CoderForLife> nice pics from Phoenix

04:56 <CoderForLife> sitting on the Polygon Plain

04:56 <Tank_Master> lol

04:56 <Tank_Master> truly a barren waste land

04:56 <Romulus> asks Jimbob to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

04:56 <Tank_Master> ??

04:56 <CoderForLife> it's foot looks like R2D2's

04:57 <Tank_Master> when did Romulus becomse the op?

04:57 <Tank_Master> LOL, yeah it does

04:58 <CoderForLife> I see the solar panels are in full bloom this time of year

04:58 <Tank_Master> yep

04:58 <Tank_Master> and shiny

04:58 <Tidus> i don't think i even see jimbob in here...

04:59 <CoderForLife> yeah, I'm not use to that after seeing the MER rovers panels become dirtier and dirtier

05:00 <Tank_Master> no new pics?

05:00 <CoderForLife> I see a picture of JPL spacecraft manager Ed Sedivy *does* look a bit like "Kane"

05:00 <Tank_Master> anywho, its off to bed for me

05:01 <CoderForLife> these pics are new to me

05:01 <Tidus> gn Tank_Master ...

05:01 <CoderForLife> cya Tank_Master

05:02 <CoderForLife> I'm in favor of putting people on Mars

05:02 <CoderForLife> I'd like to see us become a two-planet species

05:02 <Tidus> i'm in favor of ... can't remember what i'm in favor of

05:02 <Tank_Master> same here

05:03 <Tank_Master> teen porn

05:03 <Tank_Master> thats what your in favor of

05:03 <CoderForLife> I don't want us all siiting on one impactor target

05:03 <Tank_Master> you know what they say - practice make perfict!

05:03 <Tidus> no, really dont watch pornography because the real thing is better

05:03 <Tank_Master> LOL

05:04 <CoderForLife> Code is much better than that

05:04 <Romulus> Holy crap... And a new record low for 'leap day' tomorrow..

05:04 <Tidus> Holy crap ... Romulus is daft as always :P

05:04 <Tidus> someone should *REALLY* turn off the markov plugin

05:05 <Tank_Master> no kiddin

05:05 <CoderForLife> Markov is running amok

05:05 <CoderForLife> the plugin is unplugged

05:06 <Tidus> yeah

05:09 <Tidus> *yawn* ... lol

05:13 <Tidus> oh geez

05:13 <CoderForLife> I sense great tiredness in you, Tiduswan

05:13 <Tidus> i'm hanging round in #fedora... nothing but people griping and complaining about F9

05:14 <Tidus> and that's why i stay away from rpm based distros...

05:14 <CoderForLife> I have a new machine coming next week (hopefully) to try F9 on

05:14 <Tidus> like mandriva, suse, fedora ...

05:14 <Tidus> hate em all

05:14 <Tidus> only rpm based distro i liked was SuSE 9.2 ... ... 10.3 sucked

05:14 <Tidus> that was the last one i tried

05:15 * CoderForLife listens

05:15 <Tidus> i always get stuck in dependency hell

05:15 <CoderForLife> you've just tired, and have lost your perspective - take two RPMs, and call me in the morning

05:15 <Tidus> yeah... right :P

05:16 * Tidus replaces RPM with 'ebuild', then follows the directions.

05:17 <CoderForLife> lol  "Landing is easy; doing it softly is the hard part"

05:18 <Tidus> "It's not the fall that kills you... it's the sudden stop in the end"

05:21 <CoderForLife> $udden $top

05:23 <Tidus> gah... tryin to track down this wallpaper is driving me batty

05:24 <Tidus>

05:24 <Romulus> <> (at

05:28 <Tidus> my googling is coming up fruitless

05:28 <Romulus> or the boinc source on both

05:28 <CoderForLife> hmm

05:29 <Tidus> WAIT!

05:29 <Tidus> FOUNDIT!!! OMG!!111

05:29 <Tidus> lol

05:29 <Tidus> just popped into my head what it was called

05:30 <Tidus> wow that doesn't happen very often

05:30 <CoderForLife> your head popped off?

05:31 <Tidus> no lol

05:31 <CoderForLife> ok =)

05:31 <Tidus> the ceiling fan almost clipped it off when i jumped for joy ...

05:31 <Tidus> but it didn't pop off :P

05:31 <CoderForLife> lol

05:31 <CoderForLife> careful

05:34 <Tidus> CoderForLife: ... :)

05:34 <Romulus> <> (at

05:35 <Tidus> well hang on

05:35 <Tidus> i just wrong linked you

05:35 <Tidus>

05:35 <Romulus> <> (at

05:35 <CoderForLife> nice

05:36 <Tidus> like the way my terminal's set up?

05:36 <CoderForLife> transparent?  yeah

05:36 <Tidus> nested screen

05:37 <Tidus> bottom row is the local machine, with one window per system that i'm working with

05:37 <CoderForLife> ah yes

05:37 <Tidus> the top row shows which machine i'm on and what window i'm working with

05:37 <CoderForLife> excellent

05:41 <Tidus> works out really well

05:42 <CoderForLife> my HD is defragged as good as it's going to get right now

05:42 <Tidus> especially if i'm working with 4 or 5 different boxes thru ssh

05:42 <Tidus> and i dont even bother defragging :

05:42 <Tidus> :P *

05:43 <CoderForLife> I'm cheap

05:43 <Tidus> well, i have a license for diskeeper 2007

05:43 <Tidus> set it and forget it :)

05:43 <Tidus> auto-defrags so i'll never have to manually do it again

05:43 <CoderForLife> I'm cheaper than that

05:44 <CoderForLife> although I did just order 2 new boxes

05:44 <CoderForLife> one to essentially replace my development Linux server

05:44 <Tidus> lol

05:44 <Tidus> i cant afford to buy a new machine

05:44 <CoderForLife> one to act as a Windows domain controller

05:45 <CoderForLife> I'll put F9 on the Linux machine, port all my stuff over and test it, and then swap it with my production server

05:46 <Tidus> if you're going for a production level server, use CentOS

05:46 <CoderForLife> then upgrade the production server to F9

05:46 <Tidus> it's RHEL without the licensing fees

05:46 <CoderForLife> I want test and production to be the same

05:47 <CoderForLife> on the other box, I'm going to install Windows Server 2003, and bring up Active Directory

05:47 <CoderForLife> set up group policy and domain login scripts

05:47 <Tidus> cool

05:48 <CoderForLife> for Coding purposes

05:48 <CoderForLife> got a couple of low end Dell boxes on Memorial Day weekend special

05:48 <CoderForLife> cheap

05:49 <CoderForLife> $399 per machine, including a 20" panel with each, free shipping

05:49 <Tidus> not bad

05:49 <Tidus> couple walmart specials ? :P

05:49 <CoderForLife> dual core, 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM, 160GB HD

05:50 <Tidus> yah... walmart specials

05:50 <Tidus> cept the walmart ones have 2gb

05:50 <CoderForLife> just enough to get the job done

05:50 <CoderForLife> cheap

05:50 <DerMeister> I gues in europe one hat to pay more than 399 euros for the same thing... :/

05:50 <CoderForLife> RAM is cheap also

05:51 <CoderForLife> I'll put them on my other shelf in the data center

05:52 <CoderForLife> but that's also 4 more cores for boinc

05:52 <Tidus> yeah lol

05:53 <CoderForLife> I need to decide what to do with the old dev Linux box

05:53 <Tidus> CoderForLife: how old/slow is it?

05:53 <CoderForLife> should I bring up OpenSuSE again?

05:53 <CoderForLife> very old, very slow

05:53 <CoderForLife> but it is running F7 atm

05:53 <Tidus> how old how slow

05:54 <Tidus> processor, ram?

05:54 <Tidus> storage?

05:54 <CoderForLife> don't laugh

05:54 <CoderForLife> you promise you won't laugh

05:54 <Tidus> i probably have something older still in production, so i won't laugh

05:54 <CoderForLife> PII 450MHz 128MB RAM

05:54 <Tidus> i got slower

05:54 <CoderForLife> so do I

05:55 <Tidus> p2-266 96mb functioning as firewall/gateway

05:55 <Tidus> running debian 4.0

05:55 <CoderForLife> My ubuntu machine is a Pentium 75

05:55 <Tidus> o...m...g?

05:55 <Tidus> that's ... um ...

05:55 <Tidus> ouch

05:55 <CoderForLife> That was my first RH box

05:55 <Tidus> slow

05:56 <CoderForLife> it has a small candle lit for seti on it

05:56 <Tidus> my p2-266 is the slowest that i have

05:56 <CoderForLife> I'm cheap

05:56 <Tidus> my p2-266 is the slowest

05:56 <Tidus> it replaced a p-mmx 166 with 32mb as firewall when lightning got it

05:56 <CoderForLife> ubuntu would not install because of the 128MB RAM

05:57 <Tidus> CoderForLife: it will too install.  you just can't use the "desktop" cd... you have to use the "alternate" cd

05:57 <CoderForLife> had to put Mandriva One on it to get the swap partition set up

05:57 <Tidus> the installed system is the same, just different way of doing it

05:57 <CoderForLife> to get enough memory

05:57 <Tidus> the "desktop" cd uses ubuntu's installer which requires X, gnome, gtk, all that jazz

05:57 <Tidus> the "alternate" cd uses the standard debian installer

05:57 <CoderForLife> this was all character mode installs

05:58 <Tidus> runs in text mode and installed perfectly on my p2 with 96mb

05:58 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't know about all that - was that available for Edgy?

05:59 <Tidus> CoderForLife: they only started using the full 'desktop' installer cd with 6.10 which i think was edgy

06:00 <CoderForLife> I have dl'd the ISOs for dekstop and server for Hasty

06:00 <Tidus> but the alternate has always been available, even for hardy, which is 8.04

06:00 <Tidus> hang on and i'll find the character mode installer disk for hardy

06:00 <CoderForLife> er whatever the H is

06:00 <CoderForLife> that's not my focus atm

06:00 <CoderForLife> that will come soon enough

06:01 <CoderForLife> right now, I'm working toward my Windows/Fedora cross-development environment

06:01 <Tidus>

06:01 <Romulus> <> (at

06:02 <Tidus> that's the server disk, doesn't install X or anything, and i think it's the text mode installer too

06:02 <CoderForLife> yeah, that's exactly the one I have waiting

06:03 <Tidus> text mode installer, installs nothing but base system, waiting on you to add stuff later

06:03 <CoderForLife> when I installed Edgy, I was interested in all the rage about the desktop

06:03 <Tidus> well if you want the desktop cd... lemme just find the other link

06:03 <Tidus>

06:03 <Romulus> <> (at

06:03 <Tidus> that's the full desktop install cd, using the text mode installer

06:03 <CoderForLife> unfortunately, Edgy won't update, and since I'm allergic to Debian, can't work Aptitude

06:04 <Tidus> CoderForLife: in a terminal, type sudo update-manager -d

06:04 <Tidus> that'll update to 7.04

06:04 <Tidus> then you'll have to update to 7.10

06:04 <Tidus> then to 8.04

06:04 <Tidus> 3 upgrades or a fresh install

06:04 <CoderForLife> maybe I should try that again

06:04 <CoderForLife> as I recall, that would just hang

06:05 <CoderForLife> but once again - I'm not thinking about that right now

06:05 <Tidus> lol

06:05 <Tidus> i'd just fresh install

06:05 <CoderForLife> got other fish to fry

06:05 <CoderForLife> "fresh install" took 5 attempts before

06:06 <CoderForLife> I'm sooooo looking forward to screwing with it

06:07 * CoderForLife turns as Mother Nature taps him on the shoulder, and gives him the "come with me" signal

06:07 <CoderForLife> bbiab =)

06:07 <Tidus> lol

06:18 <CoderForLife> b

06:19 <Tidus> wb

06:21 <CoderForLife> thx

06:21 <Tidus> only thing i hate about gentoo ...

06:21 <Tidus> waiting on crap to compile

06:22 <CoderForLife> what do you think the most widely used distro is in companies, on desktops?

06:23 <Tidus> on desktops, probably SuSE Linux Desktop

06:23 <CoderForLife> that's what I was thinking

06:23 <CoderForLife> so I should probably bring SuSE back up

06:24 <CoderForLife> I replaced it with Windows for a media server on one of my boxes

06:24 <Tidus> lol

06:25 <CoderForLife> above all other considerations, Battlestar Galactica rulez

06:25 <Tidus> lol

06:25 <Tidus> i'm watching old star trek episodes

06:26 <CoderForLife> hmm sad, have you seen a doctor about this condition?

06:26 <Tidus> i liked the old ones

06:27 <CoderForLife> maybe you did, and he said "please state the nature of the medical emergency"

06:27 <Tidus> that's a bit newer

06:27 <Tidus> i'm talking the original series

06:27 <CoderForLife> or simply "He's dead, Jim"

07:43 <xcamel> 'lo

07:44 <CoderForLife> morning

07:45 <xcamel> please state the nature of the medical emergency: I had to get up.

07:46 <CoderForLife> only a true emergency would require that to happen

07:46 * CoderForLife reads about Subversion

07:47 * CoderForLife watches the weather radar

07:49 <CoderForLife> might be a little rough later

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07:50 <xcamel> [NNTN] "French skydiver prepares for record jump from 40km"

07:50 <xcamel>

07:50 <Romulus> <> (at

07:50 <CoderForLife> public assisted suicide

07:51 <xcamel> btw.. phoenix lander landed perfectly

07:52 <CoderForLife> yeah - we were all chatting here about it last night

07:52 <CoderForLife> I didn't see the pics from "Polygon Plain" until this morning

07:52 <xcamel> I was tuned in to the "I'm Alive" signal...

07:53 <CoderForLife> it's nice to see dust free solar panels for a change on Mars

07:54 <xcamel> yupper..

07:55 * CoderForLife creates his first svn test project

07:57 <xcamel> I still love the line "1225 days into a 90 day mission..."

07:58 <Tidus> lol

07:59 <CoderForLife> it's that kind of math that has gotten them into trouble before

07:59 <CoderForLife> better late than never, I reckon

08:00 <xcamel> which one is still on the move?

08:01 <CoderForLife> hopefully both - but Phoenix doesn't stand much chance once winter approaches

08:01 <CoderForLife> do the solar panels tilt?

08:08 <xcamel> I don't think they do..

08:10 <CoderForLife> they did say they were on an east-west alignment - was wondering if they "follow the sun"

08:11 <Romulus> apparently it's tasks="kde-desktop", even though all of them

08:11 <xcamel> "east west" is much tougher near the pole..

08:13 <CoderForLife> well, sure

08:13 <xcamel> jre 6u6 eh?

08:20 * CoderForLife wonders why his F8 box has a back-leveled version of svn

08:21 <CoderForLife> so there's a 6 out now?

08:21 <CoderForLife> I have 6_05

08:22 * CoderForLife downloads subversion 1.4.6_07 to update his 1.4.4

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08:25 <Tidus> CoderForLife: my gentoo has 1.5.0_rc5 available :)

08:26 <CoderForLife> thx - I need 1) Fedora RPM, 2) stable

08:26 <Tidus> lol

08:26 <CoderForLife> 3) match TortoiseSVN on Winduhs

08:26 <Tidus> i'm running the 'testing' branch of gentoo, so things might be a little wanky

08:27 <Tidus> but so far it's rock solid

08:27 * CoderForLife descends into dependency hell

08:27 <Tidus> and thats one thing i never have to deal with ...

08:29 <CoderForLife> now I need and

08:29 <CoderForLife> where ever those come from

08:29 <dizzie> Greetings all :)

08:29 <CoderForLife> hello dizzie

08:31 <CoderForLife> both are OpenLDAP

08:31 <dizzie> Tidus, you might like this ->

08:31 <Romulus> <> (at

08:31 * dizzie pats Romulus

08:32 <Tidus> ubuntu ultimate... already looked

08:32 <dizzie>

08:32 <Romulus> <> (at

08:32 <dizzie> Looks nice, for a livedvd installer :)

08:33 <Tidus> Linux Kilika 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 #1 Sun May 25 02:52:19 CDT 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

08:33 <Tidus> dizzie: ^^

08:33 * dizzie point at his dekstop pc doing emerge -e world

08:33 <dizzie> :)

08:34 <Tidus> lol

08:34 <Tidus> mine's off the livecd finally

08:34 <Tidus> got x and nvidia going

08:34 <Tidus> putting gnome in now

08:34 <dizzie> I'll let you know on Friday, when its done :)

08:34 <dizzie> 400+ packages been updated hehe

08:36 <CoderForLife> hmm - I guess I need to stay happy with svn 1.4.4

08:36 <Tidus> mine was unpack stage3, change to ~x86, emerge binutils gcc-config glibc gcc, emerge -e system (twice), set USE, emerge --newuse -Davu world, emerge gentoo-sources genkernel, genkernel --menuconfig all, add basic services, reboot

08:37 <CoderForLife> I love it when you guys talk Tech

08:37 <Tidus> then screen, vim, and irssi were the first 3 programs in :P

08:37 <Tidus> now it's done with X and nvidia, working on gnome now

08:38 <dizzie> First flag i will do is "-QT" i hate QT crap hehe

08:38 <CoderForLife> I need to get one chore done outside before the rain comes, so I'm going to "have at it"

08:38 <CoderForLife> bbl

08:39 <Tidus> i'm using gnome, but i have "kde qt3 qt4" in there because i do run a few kde programs

08:39 <dizzie> ttfn :)

08:39 <Tidus> and cya CFL

08:39 <dizzie> KDE4 looks awesome

08:39 <Tidus> kde4 is underwhelming at best

08:39 <Tidus> i'm staying with 3.5.9 until 4.1 comes out

08:39 <Tidus> the only thing i'm dreading the compile of... firefox, and OO.o

08:40 <dizzie> I like when you can mess around with your desktop like this ->

08:40 <Romulus> <> (at

08:40 <dizzie> Fast card required though

08:40 <Tidus> dizzie: you should see some of my gentoo screenshots...

08:40 <Tidus> then navigate Screenshots -> Linux

08:41 <Tidus> but anyways, i'm out to bed... gotta wake up early-ish on my day off :(

08:42 <Tidus> btw... my full use is this :P

08:42 <dizzie> Ouch

08:42 <Tidus> USE="3dnow 3dnowext a52 aac acpi aim alsa arts audiofile bash-completion berkdb bluetooth branding bzip2 cairo cddb cdparanoia cdr cracklib crypt cscope ctype curl curlwrappers dga dri dts dvd dvdr dvdread encode evo exif fam ffmpeg firefox flac fontconfig foomaticdb gif gimp glut gmp gnutls gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk htmlhandbook icq imagemagick imap imlib jabber jack java javascript joystick jpeg kde lame latex ldap libnotify libsamplerate lm_sensors lua

08:42 <Tidus> sorry bout the long spam ...

08:42 <dizzie> Nps

08:42 <dizzie> And Goodnight ;) *waves*

08:44 <Tidus> blah... good morning's more like it...

08:44 <Tidus> Mon May 26 07:44:04 CDT 2008

08:44 <dizzie> 2:44pm here :)

08:45 <dizzie> Mon May 26 14:45:19 CEST 2008

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08:50 <xcamel> java in opera is a real pain..

08:51 <dizzie> I agree, java is only something i drink :)

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09:10 <xcamel> watta pest

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10:16 <CoderForLife> back

10:23 <xcamel> ditto

10:24 <xcamel> beautiful day out..

10:24 <xcamel> near 70 already..

10:29 <CoderForLife> 73F partly to mostly cloudy

10:29 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 74.8F / 23.8C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 6.2mph / 10.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms through early afternoon...then numerous showers and thunderstorms late. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds late. Highs in the lower 80s. (2 more messages)

10:30 <CoderForLife> &more

10:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. ; Tonight - Widespread showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds in the evening. Muggy. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent. ; Tuesday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Cooler with highs in the lower 70s. West winds 5 to (1 more message)

10:30 <CoderForLife> &more

10:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 mph...becoming north in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent. ;

10:30 <CoderForLife> some potential exitement later

10:32 <CoderForLife> excitement, too

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10:40 <CoderForLife> man, Dell has turned so stupid

10:41 <CoderForLife> I had to explain to their credit card guy (in India) what exactly they needed to do

10:42 <CoderForLife> He was willing to forgive the penny that they overcharged my VISA debit card and  release the order

10:42 <CoderForLife> no wonder HP is killing them

10:47 <CoderForLife> I used to be a faithful Gateway customer, until they turned stupid, too

11:01 <Tank_Master> lol

11:03 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

11:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 57.9F / 14.4C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy with isolated showers in the morning... then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Highs 63 to 68. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent. ; Tonight - Partly (1 more message)

11:13 <Tank_Master> &more

11:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

11:13 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

11:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 55.2F / 12.9C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers. Highs around 65. West wind 5 to 10 mph. ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening. Lows around 50. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph. ; (1 more message)

11:13 <Tank_Master> &more

11:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs 70 to 75. Light wind. ;

11:14 <Tank_Master> anyone else able to get to ?

11:15 <PovAddict> can't get to anything in

11:20 <Tank_Master> ok, who forgot to pay the ISP bill?

11:21 <Soul_keeper>

11:21 <Romulus> Title: Naked Pico Challenge (at

11:21 <Soul_keeper> lol via's 1 watt cpu running for a couple days now without a heatsink

11:22 <Soul_keeper> they said they'll take a hair dryer to it or something if it lasts longer than 1 week

11:22 <PovAddict> 1watt?!

11:23 <Tank_Master> Intel's atom chip blows that out of the watter in terms of performance/watt

11:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's last generation

11:24 <Tank_Master> but Id love to see something that size with 4GB flash that it emulated as a HDD

11:24 <Tank_Master> so I can install an OS on it and run it just off the motherbaord

11:25 <PovAddict> the live stream doesn't work

11:26 <Soul_keeper> disable popup blocker

11:26 <PovAddict> why would a popup blocker make an embedded flash thing connect to the server?

11:26 <Soul_keeper>         lol they got a "short circuit" robot powered by one of those

11:26 <Romulus> <> (at

11:26 <Soul_keeper> they were using youtube for hosting on atleast 2 of the videos i watched

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11:27 * Ageless93 is no longer away : Gone for 15 hours 10 minutes 38 seconds

11:28 <Ageless93> I guess someone's mouse chewed through the cables surrounding Isaac again.

11:29 <Ageless93> it was up a couple of hours ago and just suddenly went off line.

11:30 <Ageless93> this time around I'm leaving the emailing complaints about it to others. Thought of giving David a day off as well. Not that he can change much about it from home anyway, guess someone would have to go in and check why it stopped working.

11:31 <Ageless93> tomorrow is early enough for me. :)

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11:45 <Ageless93> lol, read the comments on

11:45 <Romulus> Title: Hugo Tornado Minnesota Memorial Weekend - (at

11:48 <Tank_Master>

11:48 <Romulus> <> (at

11:49 <xcamel> vodeo of it?

11:50 <Tank_Master> no

11:50 <Tank_Master> "An Engineer's Guide to Cats

11:51 <Tank_Master> but I do like those comments

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11:54 * Ageless93[Away] is now away - Reason : Wouldn't you want to be away?

11:54 <dizzie> Ugh public away msg

11:54 <xcamel>

11:54 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Tornado Hugo Minnesota Memorial weekend 2008 (at

11:55 <xcamel> one that doesn't crash

11:55 <Tank_Master> dont we all know that getting rid of all these low emision SUVs is the answer to all of the world problems?

11:55 <Tank_Master> if we didnt have SUVs, there would not be any wars

11:55 <dizzie> I still like my coffee hot :)

11:56 <Tank_Master> no one would have deseases, famon, STD or cancer either

11:56 <Tank_Master> we would all get along like one big hippy world if SUVs were not around

11:56 <Tank_Master> hehe... right

11:56 <xcamel> that would be 'famine'

11:57 <Tank_Master> same diff ;)

11:57 <dizzie> Haha

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12:29 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: youtube for the videos yeah, but youtube doesn't have *live* stuff

12:30 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, email them

12:30 <Soul_keeper> works for me

12:31 <Soul_keeper> i personally wish all sites with video content would just have a direct link to the media file

12:32 <PovAddict> agreed

12:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm looking at computer hardware ...

12:33 <Soul_keeper> wondering what might be the best  RAC/$  out there these days

12:33 <Soul_keeper> is core2 duo/quad  undisputed ?

12:34 <Soul_keeper>       if those cost 40 bucks, imagine 25 of them packed into a single case ...

12:34 <Romulus> <> (at

12:35 <Soul_keeper> is there anyone that makes boards with a dozen or so cheap cpu's soldered on ?

12:36 <PovAddict> no idea

12:36 <Tank_Master> no

12:36 <PovAddict> but you'd need a lot of RAM, and RAM bandwidth

12:37 <Soul_keeper> i remember a company that used to sell  pci cards with 1 or more cpu's on them ...  that was cool

12:37 <Soul_keeper> they had transmeta, via, and intel versions i believe

12:40 <Soul_keeper> as the memory/chipset was contained on the cards they were basically computers inside a computer with the pci bus being the network connection ...

12:40 <PovAddict> wow

12:40 <Tank_Master> now do that with a quad...

12:41 <Tank_Master> and the PCI-e

12:41 <Tank_Master> Id be in heaven

12:41 <Soul_keeper> i'm just trying to see if there is a way to get 8 or more cores into a system for under 1k

12:41 <Tank_Master> hehe

12:42 <Soul_keeper>       short of forking out $8300  it don't seem likely

12:42 <Romulus> Title: Sun Fire X4450 Server - Overview (at

12:43 <Tank_Master> wait untill this fall

12:43 <Tank_Master> Intel just migh have an octicore with hyperthreading out

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12:43 <Tank_Master> 16 threaqds per CPU

12:43 <Soul_keeper> that'd be cool

12:43 <Tank_Master> yep :)

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> re

12:47 <Soul_keeper>        how much performance do you think 10 of these would give ?

12:47 <Romulus> <> (at

12:47 <Romulus> I was here and not SSE3

12:48 <Soul_keeper> you think it would be enough to beat a core2 quad system for daily RAC ?

12:50 <Soul_keeper> 10 of those in 1 case along with an the cheapest/oldest system that you could pack 11 nics into as a nat server

12:54 <Soul_keeper> could run them all off a single psu, throw a 256MB stick of cheapo memory, and a 2GB flash drive in each one and you're crunching boinc with the best of um

12:55 <PovAddict> hmm

12:55 <PovAddict> maybe without the drive

12:55 <PovAddict> network booting, and a ramdisk for client_state.xml and checkpoint files

12:56 <Soul_keeper> could work, the software setup would be the most time consuming part tho

12:56 <PovAddict> for sure

12:56 <Romulus> Just like any hobbie " a big pot of soup.

12:57 <PovAddict> still thinking how I'd redirect checkpoint storage :P

12:57 <PovAddict> filenames depend on the project

12:57 <Soul_keeper> just look how small those intel atoms are, they could probably fit 2 dozen of them on that motherboard

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12:57 <PovAddict> how much does an Atom cost?

12:58 <Soul_keeper> it costs intel less than 8 dollars to make one

12:58 <PovAddict> meh @ that

12:58 <PovAddict> how much do they sell it at? :P

12:58 <Soul_keeper> will cost us anywhere between 50 and 200+ bucks tho

12:59 <PovAddict> somebody's gotta pay for the millions it costed them to design the processor...

12:59 <PovAddict> and then the profit

12:59 <Soul_keeper> i suppose

13:00 <Tank_Master> its 6$ for the atom

13:00 <PovAddict> I'll do another try with seti stats, see if anyone has the atom yet

13:01 <Soul_keeper> yeah they're 45nm, amd won't be using 45nm untill the first half of next year, via at the end of next year

13:02 <Tank_Master> AMD is always behind Intel in manufacturing tech

13:02 <Soul_keeper> yup

13:03 <Tank_Master> I cant wait for the Nehalem chip to come out

13:03 <Tank_Master> Intel clames a 30% increase in performance per core over the current 45nm at the same speed

13:04 <Tank_Master> and with 2x the number of cores....

13:04 <Romulus> And nice stuff too. Not the nurses!

13:05 <Soul_keeper> probably the usual  bus speed, cache size   increases

13:05 <Tank_Master> defently not

13:05 <Tank_Master> its a compleat redsign

13:05 <Tank_Master> is not a core processor

13:05 <Soul_keeper> fun

13:06 <Tank_Master> Itll have the smae intergrated memory contoler AMD has

13:06 <Tank_Master> and have Hyper Threading again

13:07 <Soul_keeper> i won't be impressed untill i win the lottery tho

13:08 <Tank_Master> lol

13:08 <PovAddict> 35% downloaded and processed, no atom CPUs in sight yet

13:09 <PovAddict> wow looks like the grep is slower than the download

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13:10 <CoderForLife> 77, a bit humid, breezy

13:10 * Tank_Master wonders if it might be listed under "unknown" or "Engenering Sample" instead of atom

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13:11 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I'm saving the file apart from processing it while it downloads; so I can search for that stuff later

13:11 <PovAddict> 54%

13:11 <PovAddict> speed is quite unstable

13:12 <PovAddict> 8 mins ETA

13:12 <Tank_Master> would you expect anything less from berkeley?

13:12 <PovAddict> going at 84KB/s right now

13:12 <PovAddict> back fast, 300KB/s

13:13 <PovAddict> if there is any Atom, it should be around the end of the list

13:14 <Tank_Master> naterly

13:14 <PovAddict> 200MB downloaded; 6 mins left

13:15 <PovAddict> take a guess, how many websites download SETI stats daily?

13:17 <Tank_Master> few thousand

13:18 <PovAddict> supposing a hundred

13:18 <PovAddict> &google calc 289MB / 1 day * 1 month * 100

13:18 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((289 MB) / (1 day)) * (1 month) * 100 = 859.008752 gigabytes

13:18 <Romulus> the errors of interest

13:18 <PovAddict> only host stats downloads cost them 859GB/month of bandwidth

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13:19 <PovAddict> &google calc 364465846 bytes / 1 day * 1 month * 100

13:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: ((364,465,846 bytes) / (1 day)) * (1 month) * 100 = 1.00891996 terabytes

13:20 <Tank_Master> peanuts

13:21 <Tank_Master> it would take me all month to fill just one of my HDs?

13:21 <PovAddict> well, to think some home ISPs limit you at <100GB/month :P

13:21 <Tank_Master> which is crap

13:21 <PovAddict> ok, whole file downloaded and grepped; no 'atom' in sight

13:21 <PovAddict> what other string do you think is worth searching for?

13:21 <PovAddict> experimental?

13:22 <Soul_keeper> diamontville  or however you spell the codename

13:22 <Soul_keeper> Diamondville

13:22 <Soul_keeper> Silverthorne      also

13:23 <Tank_Master> "ES"

13:23 <PovAddict> there's 139MB of just processor model names :P

13:24 <Soul_keeper> lol

13:24 <PovAddict> whole stats file is about two gigs

13:24 <PovAddict> (uncompressed)

13:24 <PovAddict> didn't find any "diamond" or "silver" in model names

13:24 <PovAddict> wait

13:24 <PovAddict> wtf

13:24 <Tank_Master> ?

13:24 <PovAddict> there's a lot reporting as just "Pentium"

13:25 <PovAddict> what crap

13:25 <Tank_Master> standard pentium?

13:26 <PovAddict> I'm now sorting them and removing duplicates; will take a while

13:26 <PovAddict> 'sort' using 130MB of RAM

13:28 <PovAddict> done; there's 94749 hosts reporting as p_model: Pentium

13:28 <Soul_keeper> search for  45nm

13:29 <PovAddict> Pattern not found

13:29 <Soul_keeper> Menlow

13:29 <Tank_Master> ES

13:33 <Tank_Master> how meny have "ES" somwhere in the name?

13:34 <Soul_keeper> ntel Atom Z500/Z510/Z520/Z530/Z540 processors

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13:36 <PovAddict> 1

13:36 <PovAddict> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+(ES) [x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 8]

13:38 <Soul_keeper>

13:38 <Romulus> Title: Intel Atom Processor Benchmarked (at

13:39 <Soul_keeper> looks like the old tualatin p3 beats the atom by a 20-30% margin

13:39 <Tank_Master> lol

13:40 <Soul_keeper> ok, on par  not sure how you'd calculate in that 500Mhz advantage the atom has to just barely win

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13:40 <Tank_Master> so good for a watt/perfornce comparisen, but not price/performance

13:40 <Soul_keeper> seems so

13:41 <Soul_keeper> it's probably just the P6 architecture continued

13:42 <PovAddict>

13:44 <Soul_keeper> well judging by the fact that the atom motherboards online seem to be sold out of stock, some boinc user somewhere must be installing boinc as we speak ...

13:45 <Soul_keeper>,1936-5.html      i think this system would be much faster  performance/$

13:45 <Romulus> <> (at

13:46 <Soul_keeper> not for sell yet tho, but a dual core athlon setup

13:50 <Soul_keeper> hmmm seems atom gets a 30%+ performance boost when enabling it's hyperthreading

13:51 <Soul_keeper> still nearly 1/9th the performance of a c2d@3GHz

13:51 <Soul_keeper>

13:51 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:56 <Soul_keeper> 10x lower thermal power level   according to intel

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14:13 <Tank_Master> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. - Yogi Berra

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14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> re

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> has some problems

14:37 <yoyo[RKN]> trac seems to be offline the whoe day

14:41 <Tank_Master> the entiere berkely domain has been offline all day

14:41 <Tank_Master> seems someone has berked the berkeley site

14:45 <Soul_keeper>

14:45 <Romulus> <> (at

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14:50 <Soul_keeper>       ibm is cool

14:50 <Romulus> <> (at

14:51 <Tank_Master> seen that, doesnt seem practical

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14:55 <PovAddict> Samsung unveils 256Gb solid state drive

14:55 <Romulus> <> (at

14:58 <DBautell> if one runs 'boinc_cmd --set_run_mode never 60s' and then runs it again 59s later, will it come back up as expected?

14:59 <DBautell> IE, a total of 1:59 in never

15:00 <Soul_keeper>

15:01 <Romulus> so you will understand more than all do!

15:01 <Tank_Master> we all do, Romulus, that is a given

15:01 <PovAddict> DBautell: I have no idea

15:01 <PovAddict> after 59s it might restore from "never" to the previous state "never"

15:02 <DBautell> I'll find out as soon as my kernel is finished compiling anyhow. This is for a thermal alarm on the laptop

15:02 <PovAddict> you're much better off doing --set_run_mode never; and calling "--set_run_mode always" after your *own* timer

15:06 <DBautell> survery says: yes

15:26 <Soul_keeper>

15:26 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:38 <Guiri> is the berkeley site offline?

15:38 <Guiri> I'm trying to download the client

15:39 <Guiri> &whatis windows

15:39 <Romulus> Guiri: "windows" could be

15:39 <DerMeister> Seems to be down for a couple of hours already

15:39 <Guiri> link from romulus is broken. any mirrors?

15:39 <Tank_Master> the entier berkeley domain has been berked for the past 6 hrs

15:40 <Tank_Master> its not broken, it just doesnt work

15:40 <Tank_Master> :P

15:40 * Guiri contemplates the difference

15:41 <Tank_Master> it's not working is working as expected

15:41 <Guiri> lol

15:42 <wdsmia> when contemplating Berkeley its the differance between snafu and fubar

15:42 <Guiri> &whatis ppc

15:42 <Romulus> Guiri: Error: No factoid matches that key.

15:42 <Guiri> &whatis freebsd

15:42 <Romulus> Guiri: Error: No factoid matches that key.

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15:51 <Tank_Master> wdsmia - hence why we coined the term "berked"

15:52 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp

15:53 <wdsmia> well guess I should go hay the front yard before it rains again

15:53 <Tank_Master> hay?

15:54 <wdsmia> its a ft tall and gone to seed

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16:05 <sethy> hi

16:06 <Tank_Master> hey

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16:24 <CoderForLife> I can finally see the top of my desk

16:24 <CoderForLife> ..and it's not pretty

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16:26 <jackygrahamez__> hi

16:27 <CoderForLife> hello jackygrahamez__

16:27 <jackygrahamez__> hi

16:27 <jackygrahamez__> anyone ever try this timezone setting?

16:28 <CoderForLife> my what a long tail you have, Grandma

16:30 <jackygrahamez__> Just been trying to get download directory synched using rsync. Does not seem to keep up with input files

16:30 <jackygrahamez__> maybe it is not meant for my type of configuration

16:31 <jackygrahamez__> I'm talking about this setting in the config.xml <choose_download_url_by_timezone>

16:33 <Tank_Master> jack!

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16:41 <jackygrahamez__> yup?

16:44 <Tank_Master> hows the project doin?

16:44 <jackygrahamez__> I'm suspending workunits for now. I'm affraid I will go over the monthly quota in bandwidth

16:44 <Tank_Master> lol

16:45 <Tank_Master> not good

16:45 <Romulus> There are hundreds of wiki engines on the new modem to cause it to say, I was excited to finally be able to read a book

16:45 <jackygrahamez__> I have one application file that is not functioning properly

16:45 <Tank_Master> any clues as to why?

16:48 <jackygrahamez__> not yet I ran it manually and it worked

16:49 <PovAddict> as soon as berkeley servers come back, we'll suddenly get all the queued mailing list messages

16:50 <yoyo[RKN]> ui

16:50 <yoyo[RKN]> will be a lot ?

16:50 <MTughan> mweltin's on!

16:53 <PovAddict> whur

16:53 <MTughan> #tsp

16:53 <CoderForLife> &seen mweltin

16:53 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mweltin> thanks

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16:59 <CoderForLife> excellent pic by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter of the descent of Phoenix to the surface

16:59 <Romulus> Title: Amazing! Mars orbiter gets a fix on lander - Mars- (at

17:00 <Tank_Master> gee, can almost tell there is something there

17:00 <CoderForLife> wow - we've come a long way when we can do that

17:00 <xcamel> back again

17:01 <CoderForLife> I knew it wouldn't impress you, Tank_Master =)

17:01 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

17:01 <Tank_Master> lol

17:01 <Tank_Master> still cool that they found it

17:01 <Tank_Master> now if only they could take a truly detailed pic of it

17:01 <CoderForLife> oh, so it made a lttile impression after all =)

17:02 <Tank_Master> its about as cool as actually finding a needle in a haystak

17:05 <xcamel> hit 84 - Yea!

17:05 <xcamel> now it might rain..

17:06 <jackygrahamez__> wx& mars

17:06 <xcamel> um.. no

17:06 <xcamel> &wx mars

17:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 78.6F / 25.9C | Humidity: 15% | Pressure: 28.53in / 966.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Tonight - Scattered showers and thunderstorms this afternoon...then numerous showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 (1 more message)

17:06 <jackygrahamez__> ah there we go

17:06 <CoderForLife> we had one weak pulse of rain pass thru

17:07 <MTughan> WTF?

17:07 <jackygrahamez__> Well I guess there is water on Mars then

17:08 <xcamel> looks like my java repair worked..

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17:10 <MTughan> <MTughan> &weather Mars

17:10 <MTughan> <TSPer> MTughan: The current temperature in Mt. Pleasant Rd., Warrendale, Pennsylvania is 78.6°F (5:09 PM EDT on May 26, 2008). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.53 in 966.0 hPa (Rising).

17:10 <MTughan> Nice try.

17:11 <xcamel> lol

17:11 <xcamel> guess my winbox was tweaked up a bit too much

17:12 <jackygrahamez__> &weather Melmac

17:12 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

17:12 <jackygrahamez__> duh

17:13 <MTughan> &wx Melmac

17:13 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

17:13 <MTughan> &help wx

17:13 <Romulus> MTughan: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "weather $1 $*".

17:13 <MTughan> I figured...

17:13 <jackygrahamez__> I guess you have to specify the town on Melmac

17:14 <MTughan> &wx and &weather are the same command.

17:21 <PovAddict> &google calc 78341213 km / speed of light

17:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: (78,341,213 kilometers) / the speed of light = 4.35530264 minutes

17:21 <jackygrahamez__> &google calc speed of light

17:21 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: the speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s

17:22 <jackygrahamez__> (sw)

17:22 <Tank_Master> I thought the speed of light was c

17:22 <MTughan> c = 299,792,458m/s

17:22 <MTughan> &google calc c

17:22 <Romulus> MTughan: the speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s

17:23 <Tank_Master> lol

17:24 <jackygrahamez__> &help

17:24 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.

17:24 <MTughan> xcamel: Could you send me the Google plugin folder from Rommie?

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17:24 <MTughan> Mine doesn't work, not sure why.

17:24 <MTughan> 'lo FL

17:26 <MTughan> The log doesn't have any clues.

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17:37 <xcamel> &google google

17:37 <Romulus> xcamel: (google google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain cl!@#es of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.

17:37 <xcamel> that doesn't look good..

17:38 <PovAddict> &google google google

17:38 <Romulus> PovAddict: (google google google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain cl!@#es of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.

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17:41 <teleyinex> hi

17:41 <MTughan> Hey.

17:41 <teleyinex> can you access

17:41 <teleyinex> because for me it's impossible

17:41 <MTughan> I've heard it's been down all today.

17:42 <MTughan> I haven't tried it myself...

17:42 <teleyinex> I mean,is the server down?

17:42 <teleyinex> ok

17:42 <MTughan> Looks like it. FF gets an IP address from DNS, but no response from server.

17:42 <xcamel> &google MTughan

17:42 <Romulus> xcamel: Search took 0.27 seconds: IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-02-14: <>; IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-03-09: <>; 一般的なペーストビン - 寄せ集め - ポスト番号 849766: <>; General and Jabber-related Chat - Thursday, (2 more messages)

17:42 <PovAddict> and didn't you notice the mailing lists kinda quiet today?

17:43 <PovAddict> lol @ results

17:43 <MTughan> No, I didn't, because another one I'm in was active.

17:43 <xcamel> looks like it works now..

17:43 <MTughan> &google google

17:43 <Romulus> MTughan: (google google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain cl!@#es of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.

17:43 <MTughan> Figures.

17:43 <PovAddict> what's with the silly censoring...

17:44 <PovAddict> classes -> cl!@#es

17:44 <MTughan> Rarely works.

17:44 <teleyinex> yep, the truth is that at the beginning it was impossible also to access my own servers due to some connections from my server to the

17:44 <Romulus> *can't* i let it compile, it wont brodcast video

17:44 <MTughan> What do your servers do?

17:44 <MTughan> &stfu

17:44 <Romulus> You can't turn markov off! You'll just have to live with it...

17:44 <xcamel> just to p1ss you off, PoV

17:44 <teleyinex> pardon, they were accessibles but they gave a time out in some php headers :)

17:44 <PovAddict> ah like most Romulus features then

17:44 <teleyinex> my servers are boinc projects for regional research

17:45 <teleyinex> basically my thesis ;)

17:45 <MTughan> Oh, some fun... /ignore Romulus, then watch for when people randomly start cursing at him. xD

17:45 <xcamel> research of what?

17:45 <teleyinex> but today they have behave a bit strange with the

17:45 <teleyinex> parallel genetic programming

17:46 <MTughan> Yes, connection to timed out.

17:46 <PovAddict> teleyinex: which php page contacts

17:47 <Tank_Master> the durty ones

17:47 <teleyinex> when you access the URL:server/project_ops

17:47 <PovAddict> ah ops

17:47 <teleyinex> the headers of the index file

17:47 <MTughan> lol...

17:47 <Romulus> <> (at

17:47 <PovAddict> yeah found it now

17:47 <teleyinex> they try to connect to

17:48 <teleyinex> :)

17:48 <teleyinex> well, thanks for the information

17:48 <PovAddict> lol MTughan

17:48 <teleyinex> I hope that tomorrow boinc.berkeley will be up and running

17:48 <teleyinex> Cya!

17:48 <PovAddict> comment the line out :)

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18:15 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Know what dual Nvidia cards in an SLI setup are good for?

18:15 <Tank_Master> folding?

18:16 <Tank_Master> space heaters?

18:16 <Tank_Master> overloading the PS?

18:16 <Tank_Master> :P

18:16 <MTughan> lol...

18:16 <MTughan> Folding, you mean Folding @Home?

18:16 <Tank_Master> ya

18:16 <MTughan> Cool...

18:16 <Tank_Master> and someday BOINC

18:17 <MTughan> Compiz would have no problems on that kind of setup... Same with Vista.

18:17 <Tank_Master> 6.1.12 and higher support coprocessors

18:17 <Tank_Master> which meants vid cards

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18:18 <MTughan> Because for my computer upgrade, seems I may have more money... Possibly enough to go to a high-end Nvidia or two middle-end Nvidias in SLI.

18:18 <Tank_Master> so its just up to the project developers to develope an app for the GPU

18:18 <Romulus> it takes a loooong time

18:18 <Tank_Master> oh, stfu, Romulus

18:19 <MTughan> Hmm, the MB I was looking at says it supports ATI's CrossFire, but doesn't mention SLI...

18:19 <Tank_Master> itll still work

18:19 <MTughan> PovAddict: I'm here.

18:20 <MTughan> * Received a CTCP version from PovAddict

18:20 <PovAddict> MTughan: double-checking your distro

18:20 <MTughan> Fedora 7, kernel 2.6.x.x

18:20 <MTughan> One sec.

18:20 <MTughan>

18:21 <MTughan> Wow, Asus's site is slow today...

18:21 <xcamel> asus site is always slow

18:22 <MTughan> Yeah, but how about 30 seconds to even get a server response?

18:22 <MTughan> Then another two minutes for HTML and preliminary images.

18:26 <Soul_keeper> asus site has been slow for like 8yrs+

18:28 <xcamel> the update site is all but dead..

18:28 <Soul_keeper> try again tomarrow

18:28 <Soul_keeper> unless you can find what you need from google, cached/mirrored

18:29 <Soul_keeper> it's a website in a city of what 26 million people ?

18:29 <Soul_keeper> wait untill they go to sleep

18:29 <xcamel> interesting:

18:29 <xcamel>

18:29 <Romulus> <> (at

18:29 <xcamel> FAA investigating unexplained object that came near Continental jet

18:29 <MTughan> Wow... No wonder why my computer was so slow.

18:29 <Romulus> <> (at

18:30 <MTughan> That drop in memory usage was caused by one application.

18:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: using compiz? what window decorator?

18:30 <MTughan> Compiz. That was Rhythmbox that was quit.

18:30 <MTughan> And Emerald.

18:31 <PovAddict> nice glass

18:31 <MTughan> Thanks. The TruGlass plugin.

18:31 <MTughan> Or rather, TruGlass engine.

18:31 <PovAddict> try enabling the blur plugin in compiz, and enabling titlebar blur in emerald :)

18:31 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.

18:31 <PovAddict> or not - bye

18:31 <MTughan> Blur crashed X.

18:31 <Tank_Master> hf

18:42 <xcamel> &wx 12074

18:42 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 73.3F / 22.9C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms. A chance of showers this evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent. ; Tuesday (1 more message)

18:42 <xcamel> &more

18:42 <Romulus> xcamel: - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms. Showers likely in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming northwest with gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent. ; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Much cooler with lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph. ;

18:46 <Soul_keeper>

18:46 <Romulus> <> (at

18:46 <Soul_keeper> only a matter of time now :)

18:47 <xcamel> the end is near?

18:47 <Soul_keeper> 256GB ssd with 200MB/s read 160MB/s write speeds

18:47 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Any idea why blurring crashed X?

18:47 <MTughan> PovAddict*

18:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: what video card? maybe the drivers suck

18:48 <MTughan> Sorry TM.

18:48 <MTughan> ATI Radeon 9600XT.

18:48 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, are you using the latest drivers for your vid card, and latest xorg version ?

18:48 <PovAddict> ah ATI - case closed :P lol

18:48 <xcamel> yeowza... there goes half the heat in the average system..

18:48 <MTughan> Using the ATI drivers, I either didn't install them right, or they didn't work. X wouldn't start.

18:49 <Soul_keeper> the proprietary drivers or the readeonhd ones ?

18:49 <cactaur> Yeah, I stopped using compiz with my ATI drivers. It works, but the computer just freezes at random times.

18:49 <MTughan> I believe they were the proprietary. Are there others?

18:49 * Tank_Master votes for ATI

18:50 <Tank_Master> ATI must be the problem

18:50 <MTughan> No doubt...

18:51 <Soul_keeper> you "believe" ?

18:51 <Soul_keeper> new proprietary and radeonhd drivers have both been released recently

18:52 <MTughan> I got them from ATI's (AMD's) site.

18:53 <MTughan> Although there's a newer version there now...

18:53 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Do the radeonhd drivers work with older ATI cards? This one's nearing 4 years.

18:54 <MTughan> Also, the card is actually an All-in-Wonder 9600XT. Same as a Radeon 9600XT, but has an integrated TV tuner as well.

18:57 <MTughan> Ah ha... It's an R300 processor.

18:59 <Tidus> hello all

19:00 <MTughan> 'lo Tidus

19:08 <Soul_keeper> i believe so

19:09 <Soul_keeper> limited if any 3d support implemented yet tho, amd just released the datasheets recently

19:10 <Soul_keeper> if you are using the proprietary fglrx drivers tho you can check your version with    cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log  |grep fglrx |grep Version

19:10 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: well he does have an image on screen already, so it's not basic driver support he wants

19:10 <PovAddict> the problem is 3D

19:10 <PovAddict> pixel shaders needed to have the blur effect

19:13 <Tidus> so you're tryin to get 3d working on an R300 ?

19:13 <Tidus> i think the gatos project handles all that ... even the tv tuner functionality

19:13 <Tidus> it was designed for those AIW cards

19:16 <MTughan> I'll see if there's a package... Just got ATI's 8.5 drivers installed though. Was going to restart the X server.

19:16 <xcamel> ATI has never really been 'linux friendly'

19:16 <MTughan> They say to reboot, but to load different graphics drivers, I should just need to restart the X server, right?

19:16 <Tidus> xcamel: why you think i run nvidia? :P

19:16 <xcamel> bingo...

19:16 <xcamel> nvidia -- or nuttin.

19:17 <Tidus> MTughan: they recommend a full reboot so it can automatically load the video card module

19:17 <Tank_Master> ATI isnt even "windows friendly"

19:17 <MTughan> Well, they're starting to release some specs, but yeah, if I can, I'll go to Nvidia on my next upgrade.

19:17 <MTughan> Oh right, forgot about the kernel module...

19:17 <MTughan> No gatos packages in the manager.

19:17 * Tidus smacks MTughan around with /etc/modprobe.d/

19:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: it definitely should be doable without rebooting; but it's easier to just reboot

19:18 <PovAddict> dynamic modules can be loaded at runtime

19:18 <MTughan> True.

19:18 <MTughan> But I'll just reboot.

19:18 <MTughan> Screw you TSPer...

19:18 <xcamel> I just nv would learn how not to have to rebuild the drivers on every kernel upgrade

19:18 <MTughan> <TSPer> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

19:18 <Tidus> xcamel: thats why i run gentoo

19:19 <Tidus> it's real simple

19:19 <Tidus> a one liner upgrades the kernel and rebuilds the nvidia module

19:19 <Tidus> emerge gentoo-sources && genkernel --menuconfig all && emerge nvidia-drivers

19:19 <MTughan> Well, I'll be back in a few minutes.

19:19 <MTughan> Hopefully...

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19:20 <Tidus> Linux Kilika 2.6.25-gentoo-r4 #1 Sun May 25 02:52:19 CDT 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

19:20 <Soul_keeper> ati works perfectly for me in linux, just as good if not better than nvidia

19:21 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: i never had too much luck with fglrx when i had my ati x1950gt

19:21 <Soul_keeper> as far as i know that gatos project is outdated ...

19:21 <Tidus> i might have been doing something wrong but on 3d games it seems like my old nvidia 6600gt outran it on linux

19:21 <Soul_keeper> i've got a 3870 here, there has been a lot of progress over the last 2yrs or so imo

19:21 <Tidus> then the radeon card blew up, so all i'm left with is my 6600gt

19:22 <Tidus> my next upgrade is probably going to be a 9600gt

19:22 <Soul_keeper> new cards from amd and nvidia come out next month i believe

19:22 <Tidus> right now the 9600gt is only US$179 on newegg

19:22 <Tidus> for the 512mb version

19:23 <Tidus> i dont need anything fancy for this machine... after all it's an old single core athlon64 with 1gb ram...

19:23 <Tank_Master> you need an upgrade

19:23 <Tidus> i got a mobo for a core2duo

19:23 <Romulus> noting like good old carbon dioxide

19:23 <Tank_Master> a nice q9450 will do nicely, with 4GB RAM

19:23 <Tidus> just need the processor... i can strip everything else i need off the athlon64

19:24 <Tidus> since my a64 is an AM2 chip... already uses DDR2 ram, and my nvidia 6600gt is PCI-express

19:24 <Soul_keeper> isn't the 9600gt like 2yrs old by now ?

19:24 <Tidus> the 9600gt was just released earlier this year

19:24 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:25 <Tidus> you're thinkin the 8xxx series

19:25 <Tidus> hi hi CFL

19:25 <xcamel> 'lo Don

19:25 <CoderForLife> no heavy stuff yet

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19:25 <Tidus> re-hi MTughan

19:25 <MTughan> Well, no troubles with X so far.

19:26 <Tidus> Tank_Master: the first machine that's gettin an upgrade is this laptop

19:26 <MTughan> Now to try blurring... If I disconnect, you know what it is.

19:26 <Soul_keeper> 3870 or 8800gt are like ~189 and ~160 respectively  probably tons faster than the 9600

19:26 <MTughan> Shoot... PovAddict: Where is it again?

19:26 <PovAddict> advanced compiz settings

19:26 <Tidus> Tank_Master: old dell inspiron 5150, P4-2.4 512mb ram 32mb ati r7500 :P

19:26 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Looking at an HD3650 right now.

19:26 <Soul_keeper> hmmm reverse those prices

19:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: Thanks.

19:27 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: the 9600gt outruns the 8800

19:27 <PovAddict> or 'ccsm' from the console

19:27 <PovAddict> "ccsm -p blur" to get there faster :)

19:27 <Tidus> not by much, but it is faster

19:27 <Tidus> and i wont buy ATi since i'm primarily linux

19:27 <Soul_keeper> Tidus, ohhh i must have been thinking of the old ati  9600 ....

19:27 <PovAddict> bah crap

19:27 <PovAddict> kernel upgrade available

19:27 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: lol..

19:27 <Soul_keeper>

19:27 <Romulus> Title: 3D Chipset Specs (at

19:28 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: i was wondering what you was thinking... i should have specified nvidia 9600gt

19:28 <MTughan> Well, blur is on, but I'm not seeing anything.

19:29 <Tidus> although my old ati 9600 pro is still one h#ll of a tank of a card ... still going in my stepmom's machine :P

19:29 <Tidus> had that card for 4 years now

19:29 <MTughan> 9600XT here.

19:29 <PovAddict> MTughan: make a window transparent (Super + scrollwheel by default, I think)

19:29 <MTughan> Not working...

19:29 <Tidus> PovAddict: what 'scroll wheel' do you speak of? :P

19:29 <Tidus> <-- laptop... batteries for wireless mouse = dead

19:29 <MTughan> Setting the opacity to 50% from the window menu doesn't do it either.

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19:30 <Soul_keeper> i also own a  6800XT   was a good card, but i needed to go pcie  and figured i'd try amd (happy with my decision so far)

19:30 <PovAddict> MTughan: take a screenshot of the blur plugin config.

19:30 <PovAddict> now I remember it took me a while to make it do stuff

19:31 <Soul_keeper> what version of X  ?

19:31 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: i have an nvidia 6800gs, damn good card, but unfortunately it's AGP

19:31 <PovAddict> 45MB to download - kernel

19:31 <Tidus> all i have is PCI-E mobos now

19:31 <PovAddict> here we go

19:31 <MTughan> I need to check it, but I believe 7.1.

19:31 <Soul_keeper> 7.1.x  is the min required for the latest fglrx drivers

19:31 <PovAddict> ...after unpacking will use an extra 213MB? o_o

19:31 <Tidus> O.O ?

19:31 <Tidus> what distro is this?

19:32 <MTughan> Fedora 7.

19:32 <PovAddict> me? kubuntu

19:32 <Tidus> ah, that's why

19:32 <Soul_keeper> slackware here :)

19:32 <PovAddict> wonder why it will use an extra 213MB, doesn't it remove the old version ?

19:32 <Tidus> kernel, modules, initrd ...

19:32 <Tidus> gentoo here...

19:32 <Tidus> PovAddict: no, it dont remove the old version in case the new one wont boot

19:32 <PovAddict> ah right

19:33 <Tidus> the machine i'm ircing from is gentoo, running kernel 2.6.25-r4

19:33 <Tidus> my laptop is running ubuntu 8.04

19:33 <MTughan> All right...

19:33 <PovAddict> linux-headers: 60MB

19:33 <Romulus> <> (at

19:33 <PovAddict> linux-image: 74MB

19:33 <MTughan> There's the settings.

19:33 <PovAddict> linux-restricted-modules: 53MB

19:33 <PovAddict> linux-ubuntu-modules: 17MB

19:33 <PovAddict> it adds up, I guess

19:34 <Tidus> ewwfedora

19:34 <Tidus> :P

19:34 * FreeLarry58 wonders if 12.5 hrs of mem test (15 passes) is enough to call cpu and memory good?

19:34 <MTughan> Tried Ubuntu and Mepis at least, didn't like either.

19:34 * Soul_keeper don't use compiz

19:34 <MTughan> Really like Fedora.

19:34 <Tidus> FreeLarry58: i'd say that makes it good

19:34 <Tidus> MTughan: i really dont like either... lol

19:34 <Tidus> i couldn't get fedora to stay stable tho, so only option was ubuntu

19:34 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah now if i can only get the blasted machine to install a good os

19:34 <Tidus> FreeLarry58: have you checked out the hard disk?

19:35 <MTughan> Hmm, Fedora's worked almost flawlessly for me.

19:35 <MTughan> Try a LiveCD.

19:35 <Tidus> MTughan: it wouldn't stay stable for me... and i wont put gentoo on this laptop thanks to its dodgy cooling fan

19:35 <MTughan> (That was to FreeLarry58, not you Tidus)

19:35 <Tidus> oh ok lol

19:35 <FreeLarry58> live cd for f8 worked earlier - i installed to hd and then it stopped working wile updating

19:35 <Tidus> FreeLarry58: reckon it's the HDD ?

19:36 <MTughan> PovAddict: Settings look okay?

19:36 <Tidus> i have a 300gb sata that'll do that... work fine to install, but bricks when it's installed.

19:36 <Tidus> i got down there under the desk to listen to see what was going on, the HDD was doing the click-of-death

19:36 <Tidus> which sucks because that's a brand new disk

19:36 <PovAddict> MTughan: yes they do, strange

19:36 <wdsmia> asks Tidus to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:36 <Romulus> to make the URLs

19:36 <MTughan> I could restart Compiz, but it should do this automatically.

19:36 <Tidus> O.o ... what word did i use to trigger the language bot?

19:37 <PovAddict> 'sucks'

19:37 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:37 <Tidus> ah

19:37 <FreeLarry58> lost its eithernet driver i think

19:37 <MTughan> And that's not a language bot. That's a chanop.

19:37 <Soul_keeper>

19:37 <Romulus> <> (at

19:37 <FreeLarry58> thnk most of the problem is new chipset

19:37 <Tidus> MTughan: yes, wdsmia may be a chanop, but the language reminder is definitely scripted

19:38 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: KDE4?

19:38 <MTughan> Oh yeah.

19:38 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, xfce4

19:38 <MTughan> A script that he hasn't fixed.

19:38 <MTughan> The two problems are 'sucks', and...

19:38 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:38 <FreeLarry58> will reinstall i guess and try again

19:38 <MTughan> &echo pass

19:38 <Romulus> p!@#

19:38 <Tidus> ?

19:38 <MTughan> Rommie blocking out 'ass'.

19:39 <PovAddict> silly bot censors itself saying 'ass'; but not matching whole words

19:39 <MTughan> &echo Echo's back everything said to it.

19:39 <Romulus> Echo's back everything said to it.

19:39 <MTughan> &echo But Won't say "pass" because of the partial word

19:39 <Romulus> But Won't say p!@# because of the partial word

19:40 <Tidus> yeah, and the markov plugin on rommie needs disabled... doesn't ever add anything helpful to the channel

19:40 <PovAddict> &echo HashIt();

19:40 <Romulus> Ha!@#&();

19:40 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:40 <PovAddict> lol

19:40 <Soul_keeper> bbl

19:40 <Tidus> yeah, definitely broken

19:40 <MTughan> PovAddict: Nice one!

19:40 * FreeLarry58 wonders if possible to install f9 using iso on other machine?

19:40 <MTughan> Anyway... Any more suggestions for Compiz?

19:41 <Tidus> triggered both rommie's builtin censoring as well as the language reminder...

19:41 <Tidus> both broken because they're not matching whole words

19:41 <MTughan> Compiz restart didn't fix it.

19:41 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: there is a way to make it boot over the network but it's a real pain... just burn the disc

19:42 <FreeLarry58> lol will try that again last time dint boot

19:42 <MTughan> If you have a USB drive, you can use a LiveCD with persistence.

19:42 <MTughan> What I have on my new 4GB drive.

19:43 <PovAddict> MTughan: I saw a system for LiveCDs with persistence... on an actual CD

19:43 <MTughan> Ah yes, if it's not finalized.

19:43 <PovAddict> when logging out, burned your settings and documents in a new session

19:43 <PovAddict> if it was a -RW, it deleted old sessions when full

19:44 <Tidus> PovAddict: i sent that to :P

19:44 <PovAddict> if it was a -R, when full it asked for a blank disk, burned the OS and the latest documents

19:44 <MTughan> Hmm... Possible that Compiz is working, but the driver isn't?

19:44 <Romulus> good luck with your new project...what platforms?

19:44 <xcamel> associate

19:44 <xcamel> there.. fixed

19:44 <PovAddict> &echo associate

19:44 <Romulus> !@#ociate

19:44 <Tidus> no, that part's still broken

19:45 <MTughan> Rommie only blocks stuff he says.

19:45 <Tidus> &echo HashIt();

19:45 <Romulus> Ha!@#&();

19:45 <wdsmia> asks Tidus to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:45 <Tidus> that's definitely still broken

19:45 <PovAddict> you ask for the math conversion units, and it lists 'm!@#' where 'mass' should be

19:45 <xcamel> not my script..

19:45 <MTughan> &list

19:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, AutoMode, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, CyborgName, Darcs, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Herald, Infobot, Insult, Internet, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Markov, Math, Memo, Misc, MoobotFactoids, News, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Peak, Plugin, Postman, Praise, Protector, Quote, (1 more message)

19:45 <PovAddict> looks like a global setting

19:45 <MTughan> BadWords.

19:45 <MTughan> &list BadWords

19:45 <Romulus> MTughan: add, list, and remove

19:45 <xcamel> not in there.

19:45 <PovAddict> I see censored words halfway on weather reports too

19:45 <MTughan> &badwords list

19:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don!t have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The !whoami! command can tell you if you!re identified.

19:46 <xcamel> ha..

19:46 <MTughan> Tidus: link?

19:46 <Tidus> and disable markov.... it never adds anything good

19:46 <xcamel> kidz..

19:46 <Tidus> MTughan: still pending moderation

19:46 * PovAddict is upgrading his kernel

19:46 <MTughan> Ah... K.

19:46 <PovAddict> Tidus:

19:47 <PovAddict> uptime 13 days \o/

19:47 <MTughan> Record here was pushing 50 days.

19:47 <PovAddict> rebooting into new kernel bbl

19:47 <Tidus> MTughan:

19:47 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #175966 (at

19:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: my Windoze record is 27 days, and it wasn't easy

19:48 <MTughan> Spelling mistake there... The ellipsis (...) is an "E".

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19:48 <Tidus> MTughan: that's how it shows up here on my client

19:48 <PovAddict> bai

19:49 <MTughan> * wdsmia asks Tidus to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:49 <Tidus> it shows up as an E with inverted colors

19:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: shows as a square here

19:49 <MTughan> Show as an E there?

19:49 <MTughan> * wdsmia asks Tidus to please watch his or her language... Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:49 <Tidus> when you copy/paste it shows fine

19:49 <MTughan> First or second or both?

19:49 <Tidus> but the output from the script itself shows the (...) as an "E" with inverted colors

19:49 <PovAddict> when you copy/paste it converts the ellipsis character into three dots

19:49 <PovAddict> or something

19:49 <PovAddict> anyway bai

19:50 <Tidus> seeya

19:50 <MTughan> First time was a straight copy/paste.

19:50 <Tidus> MTughan: both show up fine when you copy/paste

19:50 <MTughan> Kept the ellipsis character. Second time I replaced it myself.

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19:50 <MTughan> Hmm, odd... Unless it was just because it was an action.

19:50 <Tidus> but what we're saying is when you copy/paste it's probably converting it to a straight up ...

19:50 * MTughan asks Tidus to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:50 <MTughan> How's that?

19:50 <Tidus> shows up correctly

19:50 <MTughan> Odd...

19:50 <MTughan> Oh well.

19:51 <Tidus> wdsmia is probably using a different locale than i am

19:51 <Tidus> <-- EN_US.UTF-8

19:51 <Tidus> or rather en_US.UTF-8

19:52 <MTughan> Couldn't tell you what I'm using, although I'd bet on UTF-8.

19:53 <Tidus> that's still completely and uselessly strange

19:53 <MTughan> Heh.

19:54 <xcamel> that one was a bit odd..

19:55 <Tidus> yeah

19:55 <FreeLarry58> ah this image booted for f9

19:55 <Tidus> the "s" word had extra junk on both sides, and to top it all off it has a capital letter in the middle.

19:55 <Tidus> that shouldn't have triggered badword matching

19:59 <FreeLarry58> dang instructions flash by so fast cant see what its trying to say

19:59 <FreeLarry58> but not working ;(

20:02 <FreeLarry58> lets see if i can blank the hd and try again

20:03 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

20:04 <FreeLarry58> lo xcamel

20:05 <FreeLarry58> used windows setup to remove the partitions and now tryng to bood with f9

20:06 <CoderForLife> off for the evening - back to w@#% tomorrow - tc folks

20:06 <MTughan> Night CFL.

20:06 <FreeLarry58> doesn't look like its working ;(

20:06 <FreeLarry58> tc CoderForLife

20:06 <FreeLarry58> night MTughan

20:07 <MTughan> I'm not going to bed!

20:07 * FreeLarry58 FreeLarry58 really needs to get his eyeglasses fixe - so many lines running in parrallel is hard to read

20:07 <MTughan> Heh. Only 8PM here.

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20:08 <MTughan> 'lo Pov

20:09 <PovAddict> boinc site is up

20:09 <MTughan> Trying to get Compiz 0.7.2 installed... Starting to think it's either this version of Compiz, or the incomplete ATI driver.

20:09 <FreeLarry58> anyone know how to combine an original xppro x64 and sp2 together to make new install disk?

20:09 <PovAddict> wow I have window shadows

20:11 <xcamel> compiz is cool..

20:12 <xcamel> window 'quiver' is cool too..

20:14 <xcamel> Mike.. there is a long howto on how to get compiz to work correctly with ati drivers

20:14 <xcamel> it taint easy, as they say..

20:14 <MTughan> Just hand over the link.

20:15 <xcamel> it's on compiz-fusion dot org, iirc.

20:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: Was close with the opacity modifier. Alt-scroll, not Super-scroll.

20:15 <MTughan> Thanks Jay.

20:16 <xcamel> whis distro?

20:16 <xcamel> er which?

20:16 <MTughan> Fedora 7.

20:16 <Tank_Master> FL

20:16 <Tank_Master> yes, its easy

20:16 <xcamel>

20:16 <Romulus> <> (at

20:17 <xcamel> fglrx is the culprit

20:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: ah yes, super+scroll is for zooming

20:17 <PovAddict> mixed 'em up

20:17 <Tank_Master>

20:17 <Romulus> <> (at

20:17 <xcamel> slipscream?

20:17 <Tank_Master> stream

20:18 <Tank_Master> its how you can intergrate SPs intot he origonal disk

20:18 <Tank_Master> into the*

20:18 <PovAddict> w00t

20:18 <xcamel> also --

20:18 <PovAddict>

20:18 <Romulus> <> (at

20:18 <xcamel> yup... slipscream

20:18 <MTughan> Hmm... I had the no titlebar problem too, but somehow I figured out a way around that.

20:20 <MTughan> And I do have beryl installed...

20:25 <FreeLarry58> thanks lost my link a while back and couldn't recall it

20:26 <MTughan> Whoa... Beryl does blur fine, but lost titlebars.

20:26 <MTughan> And my fix for Compiz doesn't work.

20:29 <xcamel> titlebars - just minimize, then restore

20:30 <FreeLarry58> if this install fails ( and i think it will) i will try to slipstream the x64 using those instructions

20:30 * FreeLarry58 crosses fingers and hopes for best

20:32 <MTughan> Nope, minimizing and restoring doesn't work.

20:32 <Tank_Master> gl fl ;)

20:36 <xcamel> hmmm...

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20:57 <MTughan> All right, just went back to Compiz.

20:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: Figured out how I got my glass, if you're interested.

20:58 <MTughan> It's actually a slightly custom theme.

21:10 <xcamel> Is it storming up your way mike?

21:12 <xcamel> scratch that - looks a long way from you..

21:17 <xcamel> another line firing up in central Ont.

21:18 <MTughan> Yeah, we're currently broiling under ~24C I'd say.

21:18 <MTughan> &wx Toronto

21:18 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers early this evening with the risk of a thunderstorm. Clearing overnight. Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 12C(54F). ; Tuesday - Sunny. Wind becoming north 20 km/h (1 more message)

21:18 <MTughan> Oh... Was hotter before.

21:18 <MTughan> &more

21:18 <Romulus> MTughan: (12 mph) in the morning. High 17C(63F). UV index 8 or very high. Tuesday night clear. Wind north 30 km/h (19 mph). Low 7C(45F). ; Wednesday - Sunny. High 17C(63F). ;

21:18 <MTughan> Updated 20 minutes ago... We should probably open some windows.

21:19 <xcamel> still 67F here - kinda humid too.

21:19 <MTughan> Always humid here, right beside Lake Ontario.

21:20 <MTughan> 82% right now, according to Rommie.

21:20 <MTughan> Maybe that's why I feel really hot... That, and the three computers in this room. :P

21:20 <xcamel> yeah.. all that..

21:21 <xcamel> 86 here at my desk...

21:22 <PovAddict> backz

21:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: boo

21:22 <MTughan> Yo.

21:22 <PovAddict> you got blur working?

21:23 <MTughan> Nope.

21:23 <MTughan> Not with titlebars.

21:23 <Romulus> definitely will have work again.

21:23 <PovAddict> got blur on the window contents? (if transparent)

21:23 <MTughan> Goes along with the other blur.

21:24 <MTughan> Compiz gets titlebars, but no blurring. Beryl gets blurring, but no titlebars.

21:24 <PovAddict> do you have *any* transparency blur working?

21:24 <MTughan> No.

21:24 <PovAddict> ah k

21:24 <PovAddict> I thought you meant you didn't get blur on titlebars

21:24 <PovAddict> I did need an extra setting to make titlebars blur *too*

21:24 <MTughan> That'd be the best thing so far...

21:24 <MTughan> Yeah, in Emerald.

21:25 <PovAddict> but if not even transparent window contents get blurred backgrounds...

21:25 <MTughan> Nothings blurred as I can tell.

21:25 <PovAddict> that transparency blur must be the one feature Vista got right :P

21:26 <MTughan> Beryl has it, but I can't get titlebars to show up.

21:27 <xcamel> Beryl doesn't need to run...

21:27 <xcamel> just emerald..

21:28 <MTughan> That's the point. Beryl can't seem to start Emerald.

21:28 <MTughan> Unless...

21:28 <xcamel> ccsm & compiz

21:29 <xcamel> and emerald - no Beryl

21:29 <MTughan> Heliodor and Beryl works without a hitch.

21:29 <PovAddict> xcamel: that works but no blur

21:30 <xcamel> check the compiz control panel

21:31 <MTughan> Blur is enabled.

21:31 <MTughan> I checked that a while ago.

21:32 <MTughan> Hmm... Selecting emerald from the menu starts it up, but it's not doing anything.

21:32 <MTughan> Uh... Mistake there.

21:33 <MTughan> Emerald is running, and it is doing a titlebar, but the titlebar isn't drawing...

21:33 <MTughan> The buttons are there and clickable.

21:33 <xcamel> weird..

21:34 <xcamel> do you have the icon in the systray?

21:34 <MTughan> For Beryl and Compiz, yes.

21:34 <MTughan> Should I shut Compiz down?

21:34 <xcamel> beryl shouldn't even be running

21:35 <MTughan> I'm using Beryl right now, not Compiz.

21:35 <MTughan> Compiz works fine except for blurring.

21:35 <MTughan> Beryl works fine except for titlebars.

21:37 <PovAddict> heh

21:37 <PovAddict> I ran apt-get clean

21:37 <PovAddict> freed half a gigabyte

21:37 <xcamel> oh yeah - beryl messed up everything

21:38 <MTughan> All right, I'm in Compiz now.

21:40 <MTughan> Beryl shut down. Anything you want me to do?

21:40 <xcamel> check the yum list on compiz..

21:40 <MTughan> Fedora.

21:40 <xcamel> yup

21:40 <MTughan> Oh right, it does use yum...

21:40 <Romulus> somebody thinks AR is a php "shell" scirpt.

21:41 <xcamel> beryl was folded into the compiz-fusion backage

21:41 <xcamel> er package even

21:41 <MTughan> I installed Beryl separately from Compiz Fusion.

21:42 <xcamel> I guessed that

21:42 <MTughan> Two packages listed for "yum list compiz". One stable, installed, and one development version.

21:43 <MTughan> I forgot to remove the dev repo before, so that one shouldn't be there.

21:43 <xcamel> emerald.i386                             0.5.2-0.1git.fc7

21:43 <xcamel> ccsm.noarch                              0.5.2-0.1.fc7

21:44 <MTughan> compiz.i386                              0.5.2-0.1.fc7          installed

21:44 <xcamel> that should be it

21:44 <MTughan> That's the only thing I get for yum list compiz. No ccsm or emerald.

21:44 <MTughan> Dev repo disabled.

21:44 <PovAddict> does fedora put compiz plugins in a separate package?

21:45 <MTughan> Hmm...

21:45 <MTughan> Installed Packages

21:45 <MTughan> emerald.i386                             0.5.2-0.1git.fc7       installed

21:45 <MTughan> Available Packages

21:45 <MTughan> emerald.i386                             0.2.1-1.fc7            updates

21:45 <xcamel> kagesenshi-compiz is the reop

21:45 <xcamel> er repo

21:46 <MTughan> Using pirut here to enable/disable repos.

21:46 <MTughan> kagesenshi disabled.

21:46 <PovAddict> ubuntu has a 'compiz' meta-package that depends on this big bunch: compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome compiz-plugins libcompizconfig0 :/

21:47 <MTughan> Even with kagesenshi enabled, still only get the installed compiz listed.

21:47 <xcamel> that's compiz-all

21:48 <MTughan> compiz-all available. Install it then?

21:48 <xcamel> it looks like your packages are up to date though

21:48 <MTughan> compiz-all did add a few dependencies...

21:49 <xcamel> you'll get stuff you don't really want

21:49 <MTughan> PyQt, compiz-kde, dbus-qt, fusion-icon-qt, and sip.

21:49 <Romulus> seriously though, I don!t need <one)_balh> 1 </one_blah>

21:50 <MTughan> xcamel: Do I need any of those, or are they stuff I don't want as you said?

21:51 <PovAddict> seems stuff for KDE

21:51 <PovAddict> and you run GNOME...

21:51 <MTughan> I have KDE installed.

21:51 <PovAddict> do you use KDE with compiz?

21:51 <xcamel> compiz is really made for kde

21:51 <MTughan> Dunno, I rarely use KDE.

21:52 <xcamel> I think there are some known issues with gnome

21:52 <PovAddict> in the beginning, it was for gnome...

21:52 <xcamel> because gnome is ugly

21:52 <MTughan> You mean Metacity is ugly?

21:53 <MTughan> Anyway, you remember what we were trying to do? Get blurring working?

21:56 <xcamel> well... off with me..

21:56 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:00 <Guiri> Hey guys. stupid question: I'm new and just installed boinc on several computers. most are on the same lan. any way to commonly manage them from one computer?

22:00 <PovAddict> what operating system?

22:00 <Guiri> I want to see my combined computing power. most are on windows xp but I have one linux box

22:01 <PovAddict> the default BOINC manager can connect to remote computers

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22:02 <PovAddict> but that would mean starting one Manager per computer you want to monitor...

22:02 <PovAddict> <- how 'bout that

22:02 <Romulus> <> (at

22:02 <Guiri> yeah that'd be nice,

22:03 <PovAddict>

22:03 <Romulus> Title: BoincView Blog (at

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