IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-06-03

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01:07 <peternix> am I right in assuming that graphics for seti no longer appear in the boinc client?

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02:51 <peternix> show graphics appears to not work on my machine

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03:37 <efc> moo peternix, I believe the stock clients still have graphics

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05:30 <desti> Dear Zivis users,

05:30 <desti> The new version of Zivis, multiproject and nation-wide, will launch

05:30 <desti> formally someday in June. But our informal launch, hoping to stress

05:30 <desti> the machine, is today :-)

05:30 <desti> Please feel free to register your BOINC client to http://registro.ibercivis.es/

05:30 <Romulus> Title: IBERCIVIS - public alpha version (at registro.ibercivis.es)

06:00 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

06:00 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 65.7F / 18.7C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the morning. High in the upper 70s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 (2 more messages)

06:00 <wdsmia_> &more

06:00 <Romulus> wdsmia_: percent. ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Low in the lower 60s. East wind 5 to 10 mph. ; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 70s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent. ; Severe Thunderstorm (1 more message)

06:00 <wdsmia_> &more

06:00 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Watch for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CDT on June 03, 2008; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on June 08, 2008; Flash Flood Watch for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CDT on June 03, 2008;

06:31 <hawmps> 'lo

06:44 <wdsmia_> mornin Jay

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06:47 <wdsmia> getting slamed by thunder storms

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07:23 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

07:23 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 66.9F / 19.4C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.47in / 997.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Scattered showers and thunderstorms early this morning... becoming widespread late this morning and this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds. Highs in the mid 80s. South winds 5 to 10 (2 more messages)

07:23 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

07:23 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: mph. Chance of rain 90 percent. ; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe with large hail and damaging winds. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent. Early in the evening. ; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely in the morning...then partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in (1 more message)

07:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

07:24 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: the afternoon. Humid with highs in the mid 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. ;

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07:42 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 92236

07:42 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 75F / 24C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Areas of blowing sand and blowing dust in the afternoon. Highs 95 to 100. Winds northwest 15 mph in the morning. Winds west 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Near Banning pass...light winds in the morning. ; Tonight - Mostly (2 more messages)

07:43 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

07:43 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: clear. Areas of blowing sand and blowing dust. Lows 65 to 71. Winds northwest 20 to 30 mph. Gusts to 40 mph... becoming 45 mph after midnight. ; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Areas of blowing sand and blowing dust. Highs 93 to 98. Winds west 15 to 25 mph. Near Banning pass...winds west 15 to 25 mph...becoming 25 to 30 mph in the afternoon. ; Wind Advisory for Riverside County in effect until 3:00 (1 more message)

07:43 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

07:43 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: AM PDT on June 05, 2008;

07:44 <CoderOnTheRoad> I wonder how you tell the difference between blowing sand and blowing dust?  Would you ever have one without the other?

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08:09 <CoderOnTheRoad> morning hawmps

08:09 <CoderOnTheRoad> morning wdsmia

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08:55 <CoderOnTheRoad> morning wdsmia_w

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09:20 <CoderOnTheRoad> it's not far...

09:27 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

09:44 <CoderOnTheRoad> hey yoyo[RKN]

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10:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> off to brealfast and morning sessions

10:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> hope to get some *breakfast* too

10:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> laterz

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10:44 <jackygrahamez> hya

10:44 <jackygrahamez> bonjour

10:44 <jackygrahamez> hola

10:45 <KathrynM> evenin Jack

10:45 <jackygrahamez> hi Kathryn

10:45 <KathrynM> just saw you message to the list

10:45 <Tank_Master> jack!

10:45 <Tank_Master> KM!

10:45 <jackygrahamez> (R)

10:45 <KathrynM> maybe get int ouch with the folks at Maleria.  They're doing something with a java app

10:46 <jackygrahamez> ah

10:46 <KathrynM> TM!

10:46 <Tank_Master> morning KM

10:46 <KathrynM> almost morning

10:46 <KathrynM> 14 minutes

10:46 <Tank_Master> 7:46

10:46 <jackygrahamez> I guess I could do some crunching for em and see how they do things!

10:46 <KathrynM> I should go to bed

10:46 <KathrynM> :)

10:46 <KathrynM> That's the spirit Jack

10:48 <KathrynM> ok.  I'm outta here

10:48 <KathrynM> Gonna drag my sorry arse to bed.  And hope I don't wake up at 5 again.

10:48 <jackygrahamez> nighty

10:48 <KathrynM> later gator

10:51 <Tank_Master> gn km

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11:36 <hawmps> lol - Hillary Done-4

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11:58 <PovAdct_w> aargh, it had been a while since I used Windows

11:58 <PovAdct_w> no alt-dragging windows >_<

11:58 <jackygrahamez> I don't know, she may wind up starting her own party

12:03 <hawmps> yeah... the Iwannasmokecrack party...

12:04 <jackygrahamez> the Hilldogs

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12:36 <Tank_Master> &cyborg NQO

12:36 <Romulus> Tank_Master: N.Q.O.: Net!@#&ed Quantum Organism

12:36 <Tank_Master> ?

12:57 <hawmps> networked...

12:57 <hawmps> work is a bad word

12:59 <Tank_Master> ahh

12:59 <Tank_Master> and I read it as "orgasum" :P

13:00 <Romulus> They are saying a wire so maybe fixed

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13:37 <Bravewolf> What is the meaning of "Validate error"? CPU time wasted?

13:38 <Tank_Master> means the result you returned did not match the result the other person retuned

13:38 <Tank_Master> and so yes, it was tossed out

13:40 <Tank_Master> you can go to their firum and ask why, and if a lot of other people are getting the same thing, youll see them complaining about it there as well

13:40 <Tank_Master> forum*

13:49 <Bravewolf> Tank_Master: ok, thanks. little disappointment ... wasted 12 hours of cpu time...

13:50 <Tank_Master> yeah, it happens, unfortently

13:51 <FreeLarry58> anyone know where to edit the default password for selecting machine?

13:52 <FreeLarry58> didn't use to come up with anything for password till version 6.2.6

13:56 <Tank_Master> for the loacl comp?

13:56 <FreeLarry58> yes local comp to remote

13:56 <Tank_Master> it should have always asked for a pw before

13:57 <Romulus> we need an inverter

13:57 <FreeLarry58> yes earlier versions left pw as blanck now in 6.2.6 it puts in a row of dots

13:57 <FreeLarry58> prefer blank so can type pw in instead of highlight to delete and type

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13:57 <Tank_Master> do you have the 2 files in there on the remote host?

13:58 <FreeLarry58> not sure

13:58 <Tank_Master> the 2 .cfg files

13:58 <FreeLarry58> humm i know i followed PovAdct_w when first setting them up long ago

13:59 <Tank_Master> then you probably do, and it might have changed in v6

14:00 <FreeLarry58> remote_hosts.cfg is one gui_rpc_auth.cfg is other

14:01 <FreeLarry58> on each remote

14:01 <FreeLarry58> do i need to edit them on local?

14:02 <Tank_Master> shouldnt need to

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14:05 <FreeLarry58> interesting on local don't see the files anymore

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14:07 <peternix> I should be able to get into the top 50 computers

14:08 <peternix> I have an intel core 2 quad core @ 2.5 ghz

14:08 <peternix> 4 gigs of ram

14:08 <peternix> running linux 2.6.24

14:09 <FreeLarry58> lol only one processor?

14:09 <PovAdct_w> top 50 of what project?

14:09 <FreeLarry58> wish i was as optimistic

14:10 <peternix> seti

14:10 <FreeLarry58> can't afford the dual processor boards some are running to get 8 cores on a machine or more

14:10 <FreeLarry58> ahh

14:10 <FreeLarry58> at least i cant

14:10 <peternix> there's a guy there with lower stats who is #31

14:10 * peternix thinks he's the same but 2.4 ghz

14:11 <FreeLarry58> using crunchr3 optimized clients the i assume

14:11 <PovAdct_w> seti website is down, can't check

14:11 <peternix> different OS and probably less ram

14:11 <peternix> FreeLarry58: the enhanced version of seti

14:11 <PovAdct_w> the "enhanced" app is the only seti app

14:11 <FreeLarry58> yah i just use the defaults so not going far for me

14:12 <peternix> btw, I have some criticisms of seti's concept that seem really simple

14:12 <FreeLarry58> down -- oh right tuesday maintenace at seti

14:12 <peternix> first off, what if they find a signal but the aliens are sweeping the sky, so when they check the second time, of course, the signal is gone?

14:12 <FreeLarry58> noticed they went to set credits

14:13 <PovAdct_w> I have an even simpler criticism

14:13 <peternix> on their site, they claim that it can take up to 6 months before they can verify with the arecibo telescope

14:13 <PovAdct_w> what if aliens have their own SETI@Home-like project, waiting for *us* to send signals to them?

14:13 <peternix> doubtful

14:13 <PovAdct_w> why?

14:13 <PovAdct_w> are we sending any signals?

14:13 <peternix> they'd probably have both, if that were the case

14:13 <peternix> we have in the past

14:13 <PovAdct_w> do we have both now?

14:13 <peternix> voyager, pioneer, and hitler

14:14 <peternix> also

14:14 <peternix> we are assuming they have much better technology than us

14:14 <jackygrahamez> What do you do once you find Aliens? set up a phone sex service?

14:14 <PovAdct_w> yeah a pretty silly assumption if you ask me

14:15 <peternix> in that case, they would probably have noticed space craft or at least the ISS

14:15 <peternix> oh yeah

14:15 <peternix> and the arecibo's first transmission was a signal into space

14:15 <peternix> but these are estimated to take 25 000 years to arrive anywhere interesting

14:15 <PovAdct_w> yes

14:16 <PovAdct_w> back then we didn't have SETI@Home, why should we assume aliens were listening to that signal?

14:16 <PovAdct_w> time to send another

14:16 <FreeLarry58> ahh just watch scifi channel -- they will tell your aliens are already amongst us

14:17 <peternix> would be nice to actually have a transmitter constantly transmitting signals

14:17 <FreeLarry58> ;)

14:17 <peternix> if they would divert funds from Iraq to science programs, we'd have these things

14:17 <peternix> hopefully, the competition will heat up once china starts challenging the rest of the world

14:18 <peternix> they appear to be going it all alone

14:18 <jackygrahamez> I personally don't like the idea of advertising our location in the celestial neighborhood

14:18 <peternix> which is good, because much of the world hates them, rofl

14:18 * FreeLarry58 is staying away from politics and religion

14:19 <FreeLarry58> tc all have to check on the mother in law

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14:20 <peternix> so many interesting programs were nixed

14:20 <peternix> they had plans for doing things in the 70s that we can't even do now-a-days

14:20 <peternix> like the manned Venus fly-by

14:20 <peternix> we can't even get that right today

14:20 <peternix> not because we don't have the technology, but because there's no pressure

14:20 <peternix> NASA is going at a snail's pace, imho

14:21 <jackygrahamez> Maybe Scaled Composites will beat them to Mars

14:21 <peternix> ahaha

14:21 <peternix> that would be a trip

14:22 <peternix> most interesting thing to come out of nasa in a while is the new horizons space craft

14:22 * peternix looks forward to seeing photos of pluto

14:24 <jackygrahamez> Well there are plenty of interesting people who work at NASA but have their hands tied behind their back. I've been corresponding with this guy http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.al.globus

14:24 <Romulus> Title: Lifeboat Foundation Bios: Al Globus (at lifeboat.com)

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14:39 <peternix> would be nice to have a probe descend on jupiter

14:39 <peternix> (without imploding)

14:40 <peternix> I'm sure there are heat shields available that are strong enough to withstand jupiter's atmosphere

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14:48 <bryanUC> is there a way to identify hosts that are running linux + wine + windows XP?

14:48 <bryanUC> or do they just always come up winXP

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15:10 <FreeLarry58> bryanUC i think it just reports win version even if under wine

15:11 <FreeLarry58> would be like trying to identify virtual machine i think

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16:49 <PovIpod> meh

16:49 <PovIpod> hi

16:51 * Tank_Master slaps PovIpod around with a pink Macintosh

16:51 <PovIpod> shush

16:52 <Tank_Master> :D

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17:47 <xcamel> re-hi

17:48 <xcamel> spork >> 80.64.65.38

17:51 <PovAddict> you mean plink

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18:03 <Bravewolf> Hello all! Is it normal that climateprediction.net work units are 60-90 days long?

18:04 <PovAddict> hmm no that seems too short to be climateprediction

18:04 <PovAddict> ;)

18:05 <Bravewolf> Really?

18:05 <PovAddict> nah, actually 90 days seems normal

18:06 <peternix> how long you think that setiathome will stay the leader?

18:08 <Bravewolf> PovAddict: uhm... so I think it's better to choose another project... I'm not sure that it would be so helpful to complete only 2 work units (dualcore)

18:08 <PovAddict> Bravewolf: why not?

18:08 <PovAddict> two workunits mean two whole climate models simulating a whole century

18:10 <Bravewolf> PovAddict: because if something goes wrong there were a complete waste of energy. Using rosetta@home one my work units was reject... 12 hours wasted. I cannot immagine wasting 1000+ hours of cpu...

18:10 <Bravewolf> PovAddict: because if something goes wrong there were a complete waste of energy. Using rosetta@home one my work units was reject... 12 hours wasted. I cannot immagine wasting 1000+ hours of cpu...

18:10 <PovAddict> well sure...

18:10 <PovAddict> you do need to "babysit" the workunit a bit

18:11 <PovAddict> I ran a few CPDN workunits...

18:11 <PovAddict> on the first one... I aborted it before the first trickle, I couldn't be bothered with it so slow :P

18:11 <PovAddict> on the second one... failed after 300 hours

18:11 <PovAddict> (but it did give me some credits)

18:12 <PovAddict> third one was a success, even though I took some months

18:12 <PovAddict> peternix: http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_project_pie3dweekcredits.gif

18:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5k8wt6> (at boincstats.com)

18:12 <PovAddict> peternix: it's already got less than 50%; a good thing in my opinion

18:16 <Bravewolf> PovAddict: probably CPDN workunits are not suitable for home computers, but for office computers (most of time they are switched on during night... nonsense).

18:16 <PovAddict> my home computer is on 24/7

18:17 <Bravewolf> not mine :-)

18:17 <PovAddict> - I don't pay for the electricity

18:17 <PovAddict> - I run servers on it :)

18:18 <Romulus> brb - need a tester, lemme know : )

18:18 <PovAddict> - it's easier to just turn off the screen and go to sleep than to have to close all stuff and shutdown... plus then in the morning I read what happened in chat while I was asleep

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18:23 <Bravewolf> PovAddict: ah...but I have to pay electricity... so the whole speech will change...

18:23 <KathrynM> Not know what happened in chat overnight?

18:23 <KathrynM> How could people even think of it?

18:23 <PovAddict> KathrynM: well do you remember what mweltin said about it?

18:24 <PovAddict> "if it didn't happen while I was at my desk, it didn't ever happen at all"

18:24 <KathrynM> lol

18:24 <KathrynM> I guess it was easier to reassign the ticket milestones than to actually fix the stuff

18:24 <PovAddict> yep

18:25 <PovAddict> that made me feel as if BOINC was officially my unpaid w#$%

18:25 <PovAddict> I have to deal with silly coworkers/bosses/decisions there too :P

18:25 <KathrynM> lol

18:37 <wdsmia> re-hi

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18:51 <PovAddict> eek, my P4 is idle

18:51 <PovAddict> and no idea how long it *has been* idle

18:52 <KathrynM> idle cpu?  no wonder you've been cold

18:52 <surrealillusion> i was gonna buy a new case

18:53 <surrealillusion> for my P5E-VM HDMI board

18:53 <PovAddict> lol

18:53 <surrealillusion> the power connector broke on the Antec 1380 I had for it

18:53 <surrealillusion> ...

18:53 <PovAddict> my DNS is slow as hell

18:53 <PovAddict> and BOINC manager hangs >_<

18:53 <PovAddict> hmm does RCN have checkpoints?

18:54 <surrealillusion> but i'll wait until i pay off this months' credit card bill lol

18:54 <surrealillusion> i let my wrt54gs take care of that

18:56 <PovAddict> it does

18:59 <surrealillusion> i can't wait to get my next q6600 rig going

19:09 <FreeLarry58> how was w*- PovAddict

19:10 * FreeLarry58 wseems to remember PovAddict saying something like that last night

19:10 <PovAddict> meh

19:10 <FreeLarry58> yeah you

19:10 <FreeLarry58> ;)

19:11 * FreeLarry58 is enjoying tormenting owcp claims personnel

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19:17 <freelarry> dang power outages

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19:25 <KathrynM> Just put a new post up --  http://esladventures.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/novembers-plant-project/

19:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6yqnwc> (at esladventures.wordpress.com)

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20:29 <xcamel> re-hi

20:29 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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20:37 <FreeLarry58> Well hope the poser stays on this time

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20:49 <FreeLarry58> poser = power

20:49 <PovAddict> another outage?

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20:53 <FreeLarry58> yeah 3 times

20:53 <FreeLarry58> last one about an hour long

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21:05 <CoderOnTheRoad> evening any and all

21:05 <xcamel> 'lo Don..

21:05 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello Jay

21:06 <CoderOnTheRoad> sessions over for today - dinner at 7pm local

21:06 <CoderOnTheRoad> (an hour from now)

21:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> looks like they had a rock'em-sock'em day at home today

21:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

21:07 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 68.9F / 20.5C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.28in / 991.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Some storms may produce large hail and damaging winds. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent. ; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Showers (2 more messages)

21:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

21:07 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: and thunderstorms likely in the morning...decreasing in the afternoon. Humid with highs in the mid 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. ; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms early muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent. ; Tornado Watch for Hamilton County in effect (1 more message)

21:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

21:08 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: until 3:00 AM EDT on June 04, 2008;

21:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> hmm  tornado watch

21:09 <CoderOnTheRoad> in the spirit of assigning blame, is this your fault, wdsmia?

21:10 <CoderOnTheRoad> or the flapping of butterfly wings in South Korea?

21:11 <CoderOnTheRoad> &seen wdsmia

21:11 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: wdsmia was last seen in #boinc 41 minutes and 45 seconds ago: <wdsmia> *lo Jay

21:11 <CoderOnTheRoad> &seen PovAddict

21:11 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: PovAddict was last seen in #boinc 22 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <PovAddict> another outage?

21:12 <CoderOnTheRoad> &seen mweltin

21:12 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: mweltin was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 1 minute, and 10 seconds ago: <mweltin> thanks

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21:31 <PovAddict> back

21:35 <CoderOnTheRoad> off to din-din

21:35 <CoderOnTheRoad> but no dancing for me

21:35 <CoderOnTheRoad> Coders are not known for their dancing skills

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21:36 <CoderOnTheRoad> cya folks

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22:48 <Soul_keeper> any of you people mechanics ?

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22:55 <zombie67> not really.

22:55 <zombie67> i've busted a few knuckles

22:55 <zombie67> but just basic stuff

22:55 <zombie67> what's the prob?

22:57 <FreeLarry58> mechanics rule -- if it don't work get a bigger hammer

23:02 <zombie67> BFH

23:03 <Soul_keeper> just wanted to know if what the autozone guy told me is false or not

23:05 <Soul_keeper> said you don't put anything on the boot grease on the distributor cap points

23:05 <zombie67> way over my head, sorry

23:05 <Soul_keeper> the points to keep them from corroding

23:05 <Soul_keeper> i coulda swore one i bought in the past came with some

23:06 <Soul_keeper> hmmm  i'm gonna buy a napa carb rebuild kit tomarrow

23:06 <Soul_keeper> http://www.bluebassdesign.com/boonin/carb_faq/#cc   this guy recommends them

23:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5qephd> (at www.bluebassdesign.com)

23:19 <FreeLarry58> cap points get dialectric grease to slow corrosion and still allow spark

23:19 <FreeLarry58> other types of grease hinder electric current

23:20 <Soul_keeper> so basically the same stuff that goes on the battery terminals right ?

23:21 <FreeLarry58> as for spark wires they sell a silicon lube to apply to boots -- lightly-- not the contacts to allow easier sliding of boot onto cap wire mount points

23:21 <FreeLarry58> yup if dialectric - some of the grease they use on batteries are only to prevent air from conacting posts

23:22 <Soul_keeper> that's what i figured, i can't see leaving them bare in there

23:22 <FreeLarry58> keep it real light with the grease coating

23:23 <Soul_keeper> how many miles between cap/rotor replacement is usually suggested ?

23:24 <Soul_keeper> i only went 20k on mine, but i was noticing misfiring  and stuff was corroded

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23:27 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/MPG.html

23:27 <Romulus> Title: Sheet1 (at sterlingdesktops.com)

23:27 <Soul_keeper> i'll replace everything in my truck if i have to in order to get my gas milage back where it was

23:28 <Soul_keeper> seems i'm getting a little bit of clutch slip too

23:35 <Soul_keeper> the fact that the mirror and window tracks are broken don't matter ...

23:35 <Soul_keeper> horn broken too

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