IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-06-12

00:00 <BadBarbarian> what are you crunching MT

00:00 <MTughan> The Scythe's much quieter.

00:00 <MTughan> In BOINC?

00:00 <BadBarbarian> this ones got a big typhoon in it i can;t believe how quiet it is

00:01 <MTughan> The P4 here is on AI, BURP, E@H, LHC, POEM, PrimeGrid, RS, sudoku, Superlink, TSP, and WCG. The laptop's on more.

00:01 <BadBarbarian> yes

00:01 <BadBarbarian> i am on rs abc & primegrid i am running xp x64

00:01 <MTughan> Linux/x86.

00:02 <MTughan> This is also a P4 Prescott with socket 478. xD

00:02 <BadBarbarian> no hyper thread :-(

00:02 <MTughan> Even the Mac wasn't 64-bit because it uses a Core Duo, not a Core 2 Duo.

00:02 <MTughan> Yes, HT. Why?

00:03 <BadBarbarian> it will run x64 in windows

00:03 <MTughan> The Core Duo?

00:03 <BadBarbarian> it should run linux x64

00:03 <BadBarbarian> yes and the ht

00:03 <MTughan> How? They're 64-bit OSes.

00:03 <MTughan> I know for a fact that these are 32-bit processors.

00:04 <BadBarbarian> theres an emulation built in to x64 for multable cru's including ht cpu's

00:04 <MTughan> Built into what?

00:05 <BadBarbarian> ask tankmaster hes run x64 on both i have not myself

00:06 <MTughan> And if I'm not gonna get 64-bit performance, what's the point?

00:06 <BadBarbarian> i was an AMD man for a long time the quads are my first intel cpu's in 6 years

00:07 <MTughan> This will be the second processor I've ever had. First was selected for me by my dad.

00:07 <BadBarbarian> lol i have xp x64 running on a first gen. and 64bit

00:08 <MTughan> I considered the AMD Phenoms, but they still don't quite stack up to the Q6600s.

00:08 <MTughan> Let alone the Q9450 or any Core 2 Extremes.

00:08 <BadBarbarian> i have been building systems forever my first cpu was a 286-12

00:09 <MTughan> The ancestor of the i586?

00:10 <BadBarbarian> it goes 8080 ,80286 80386 80486 p1 p2 p3 p4 so on

00:10 <MTughan> Right...

00:10 <MTughan> I remember reading that someplace before.

00:10 <BadBarbarian> i did have to work on IBM 8080's

00:11 <BadBarbarian> 256 k ram

00:11 <MTughan> Nice!

00:13 <MTughan> plink

00:14 <MTughan> DoS-ing a guy on another channel.

00:15 <MTughan> Ouch... 39Mb/s

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04:16 <factor> it would be cool if boinc setiathome could export kstars position

04:16 <factor> so you know which part of the sky you are working on

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04:27 <efc> I think it does have some kind of position in the WUs..

04:28 <efc> RA and DEC start and stop is in the WUs

04:29 <CoderForLife> morning efc

04:31 <factor> humm

04:31 <factor> would be cool to make a kstar converter

04:31 <factor> or google sky one

04:33 <factor> and I wonder if seti detects or could detect any kind of warp signature as well? if anything even exist

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04:39 <CoderForLife> what does a warp signature consist of?

04:39 <factor> heh

04:40 <CoderForLife> besides fiction =)

04:40 <factor> I would imagine a gravitational flux or warp

04:40 <factor> right

04:40 <factor> a warp without a sun

04:40 <factor> graviational fluxes without natrual casue

04:41 <CoderForLife> I flux up all the time

04:41 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 65.1F / 18.4C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the lower 90s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

04:41 <factor> if we see lots of gravitational fluxes but no reason

04:41 <CoderForLife> &more

04:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with highs in the upper 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

04:42 <factor> dont know how sensitive we can detect gravity

04:42 <CoderForLife> I flux up all the time for no reason at all

04:42 <factor> or if we have to do it indirectly

04:42 <factor> and  in that flux is life

04:45 <CoderForLife> Ooo meta-physical

04:45 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:53 <factor>

04:53 <Romulus> <> (at

04:53 <factor> something like that

04:53 <factor> you would look at the sky and see a lensing effect

04:54 <factor>

04:54 <Romulus> <> (at

04:55 <factor> that is the actual idea the image before is simulation but a ship with gravitational warp capabilities would do that as well

04:57 <factor> ok off to sleep

04:58 <factor> but did not know what kind of singals seti was scanning says triplet spikes etc..

04:58 <CoderForLife> cya

04:58 <factor> I was wondering if any system was detecting gravity lensing

04:59 <CoderForLife> you're looking for an optical effect from a radio telescope?

05:01 <factor> everything is waves

05:25 * KathrynM is back (gone 17:01:18)

05:29 <CoderForLife> thank goodness

05:33 * KathrynM waves a frying pan at CoderForLife

05:33 <CoderForLife> ack - are you threatening me??

05:33 <KathrynM> nah

05:33 <KathrynM> just saying hi

05:33 <KathrynM> and cooking dinner

05:34 <CoderForLife> it's probably dangerous to wave the pan you're currently cooking with...

05:35 <KathrynM> true...  now there are onions all over the floor

05:35 <CoderForLife> that makes me cry

05:35 <KathrynM> gotta check the chicken.... brb

05:36 <CoderForLife> go chick the checken

05:37 <CoderForLife> if they were from Eastern Europe, you might have to check the Czech chicken

05:38 <efc> i think there is some gravity wave type project

05:38 <efc> maybe thats Einstein, i dunno

05:39 <CoderForLife> I think you're right efc

05:46 <xcamel> boo..

05:46 <CoderForLife> boo

05:47 <KathrynM> boo hoo?

05:48 <CoderForLife> did you chech the Czech chickens' wheat chex?

05:48 <KathrynM> I think so

05:49 <CoderForLife> I'm running a bit behind here - got to go get ready for w@#%

05:49 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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06:35 <hawmps> spork'd >>

06:36 <CoderForLife> back

06:37 <CoderForLife> kerplunked - thx hawmps

06:38 <CoderForLife> well - time to ride my mighty steed into w@#%

06:39 <CoderForLife> get to spend some time on application performance tuning today

06:39 <CoderForLife> aka log file analysis

06:39 <CoderForLife> phun

06:39 <CoderForLife> cya laterz

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12:44 <hawmps> another beautiful day...

12:48 <Tank_Master> ?

12:52 <wdsmia_w> looks like there going to close down I-80

12:52 <Tank_Master> fun

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12:53 <Tank_Master> they say we might get into the 70s today

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14:53 <freelarry> &wx 98366

14:53 <Romulus> freelarry: Temperature: 60.3F / 15.7C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning then becoming mostly sunny. Highs in the 60s. Southwest wind to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of drizzle after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s to lower (1 more message)

14:54 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

14:54 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 90.9F / 32.7C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Sunny. Highs around 90. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 70. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.;

14:54 <freelarry> will get there soon enough jackygrahamez - heatpump already set for ac mode

14:55 <jackygrahamez> Don't worry I'm still riding my bicycle

14:55 <jackygrahamez> drink lots of water though

14:55 <freelarry> wish i could - 25+ miles one way to work

14:55 <jackygrahamez> It was not very wise of me to go drinking after softball last night

14:56 <freelarry> nooo - drink a lot of water this am

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16:13 <CoderForLife> well, if that place is one of the 100 best places to w@#%, I pity those who w@#% for the other places

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16:44 <MTughan> Anyone know how to tell the stepping of a CPU from its box?

16:44 <MTughan> Or if it's on there?

16:47 * CoderForLife shrugs his shoulders

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16:51 <MTughan> Because the site where I'm looking at getting my Q6600 says a TDP of 105W, which indicates B3 stepping, but I thought that it had been out for a while.

16:51 <MTughan> That G0 had completely replaced it.

16:52 <MTughan> Just looking too... Provided the RAM and NB can perform up to their specs, I can take the Q6600 up to 3GHz without overclocking either.

16:53 <MTughan> To go past that, I'd need to OC the NB. RAM won't require OCing until 3.6GHz.

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16:54 <slasko> hi, have anyone here tryid to run seti@home on a cluster?

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17:14 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 93.2F / 34.0C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this evening. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms mainly (1 more message)

17:14 <CoderForLife> &more

17:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the afternoon. Humid with highs in the upper 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday Night - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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17:22 <CoderForLife> bonsoir benje

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17:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:29 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:29 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:29 <CoderForLife> how was w@#% today?

17:29 <wdsmia> interesting

17:29 <CoderForLife> I would think

17:31 <wdsmia> looks like were going to have to power down the backend this weekend :(

17:32 <xcamel> re-hi

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17:33 <wdsmia> *lo Mr Jay

17:33 <xcamel> Got your Ark built yet?

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17:33 <wdsmia> whats a cubit?

17:33 <xcamel> indeed

17:33 <xcamel> I feel bad for you folks now..

17:35 <wdsmia> glad my house in on a hill

17:35 <xcamel> Truth is, more people devastated in IA/IL/IN now than in LA with katrina - but the press is forbidden from speaking a word of it...

17:35 <CoderForLife> remember, walk two-by-two

17:36 <CoderForLife> hope your hill holds up, wdsmia

17:36 <wdsmia> were really just trying to take the state motto away from Minn

17:37 <wdsmia> land of a 1000 lakes

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17:37 <PovAddict> xcamel: sounds like plain old censorship

17:38 <xcamel> PC run amok, frankly.

17:38 <wdsmia> it was a bad day to be a boy scout yesterday

17:38 <xcamel> and that would be 10,000 lakes

17:39 <wdsmia> were working on the 10,000 lol

17:39 <xcamel> I saw the story... they turned out to be real heroes though..

17:41 <wdsmia> Grrr... damn weather radio is going to burn out its buzzer

17:42 <xcamel> anyone else get the last winduhs update (XPSP3) ?

17:43 <xcamel> my winbox here has started doing random reboots..

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17:44 <wdsmia> ouch

17:45 <PovAddict> I heard rumors that SP3 was intentionally crap to force people into Vista (since Vista would then be more stable than XP SP3)

17:45 <PovAddict> I think that's just paranoid...

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17:46 <PovAddict> conspiracy theory

17:48 <CoderForLife> huh?

17:50 <CoderForLife> I'm running SP3 on this machine, xcamel

17:51 <CoderForLife> "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run"

17:51 <CoderForLife> mc

17:51 <CoderForLife> oops

17:51 <CoderForLife> other window...

17:52 <PovAddict> here's the conspiracy crap:

17:52 <PovAddict> "SP3 came out. Microsoft says it fixes bugs. In fact, it hinders your computer to try to nudge you toward Vista. DO NOT DOWNLOAD! If you do, go in install/uninstall and remove it. It's really obvious if you read some of the code. Just spread the word to your friends on XP."

17:53 <PovAddict> and the first reply on the forum: " 'if you read some of the code'? What??"

17:53 <CoderForLife> I see the sources are well-documented

17:53 <CoderForLife> the evidence is clealy laid out and lucidly explained

17:53 <CoderForLife> clearly*

17:54 * CoderForLife removes moodle from F9 after futzing with it to try and see what is does,

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18:02 <CoderForLife> I'm going after some pure R&R this evening

18:02 <CoderForLife> cya folks on the flip side

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18:17 <xcamel> I've had 4 unscheduled reboots since the last minimal update to SP3

18:17 <xcamel> (2 days now)

18:18 <PovAddict> watch your Windows Updates settings

18:19 <PovAddict> maybe installing SP3 reset it to "install updates automatically and reboot when I'm least expecting it"

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18:26 <KathrynM> mornin

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18:46 <PovAddict> looking some more into asio

18:46 <PovAddict> looks interesting to use in my GUI RPC library, but I'd have to design the whole code around it...

18:46 <KathrynM> mornin PovAddict

18:46 <KathrynM> sounds like the Coding is coming along then

18:46 <PovAddict> = it would be hard if I wanted to change to a different networking library later

18:47 <PovAddict> the main thing it shows off is its efficiency handling hundreds of connections

18:47 <PovAddict> with lots of data being transferred

18:48 <PovAddict> I need one connection sending a few bytes every second (1 second is a long time in code)

18:49 <KathrynM> with the speed of today's machines, 1 second is an eternity

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19:02 <KathrynM> zombie67~

19:02 <KathrynM> errr

19:02 <KathrynM> zombie67!

19:03 <xcamel> 'lo Kat, Zom-bony

19:04 <KathrynM> xcamel!

19:04 * KathrynM is getting hyper this morning

19:04 <zombie67> hi!

19:06 <xcamel> hyper has generally left my vocabulary...

19:09 <Soul_keeper> bla

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19:23 <efc> moo

19:23 <efc> &whatis win32

19:23 <Romulus> efc: "win32" could be

19:25 <efc> &whatis win16

19:25 <Romulus> efc: Error: No factoid matches that key.

19:44 <xcamel> you gotta see this one...

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19:44 <xcamel>

19:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:07 <efc> Only 4 donations this month to S@H ...

20:08 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:09 <efc> Do they ever solicit donations for BOINC separate from S@H?

20:11 <PovAddict> no, BOINC is funded

20:11 <PovAddict> by the NSF

20:11 <efc> Cool

20:15 <xcamel> national sanitation foundation?

20:15 <zombie67> no, funded by US residents

20:15 <PovAddict> science...

20:15 <zombie67> rather, US tax payers

20:15 <zombie67> aka "the rich"

20:16 <efc> Its REAL SCIENCE

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20:18 <xcamel> cosmic garbologists

20:19 <efc> Its REAL SCIENCE.. for only the cost of a post..age stamp you can enhance that special part of the ma*lost carrier*

20:21 * efc pictures the day when the Nobel Prize in Medicine goes to Enzyte or Dermimax

20:26 <xcamel> like IRCalis

20:26 <xcamel> for conectile dysfunction

20:32 <xcamel> ed - check this out...

20:33 <xcamel>

20:33 <Romulus> <> (at

20:36 <xcamel> live chase feeds

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21:02 <efc> 16:37 tonight for what took me 18:00 the last two nights

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22:10 <MTughan> Well, ditching the nVidia northbridge chipsets, because it seems that they are worse at overclocking than Intel's. So I just won't do SLI.

22:13 <BadBarbarian> if your running 32bit windows MT paluit has a realy nice 8600 that OCes well with the omega drivers

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22:13 <MTughan> Naw, gonna go with Fedora x86_64 and Vista x86_64.

22:13 <MTughan> And looking at a 9600GT Silent already.

22:14 <MTughan> Which, with overclocking, can apparently rival an 8800GT, despite having half the stream processors... :D

22:16 <BadBarbarian> check this Mt what do you think

22:16 <BadBarbarian>

22:16 <Romulus> <> (at

22:18 <BadBarbarian> wow i like this one even better

22:18 <BadBarbarian>

22:18 <Romulus> <> (at

22:18 <MTughan> So the core clock and memory interfaces are overclocked slightly (650MHz to 700MHz core and 1.8GHz to 2.0GHz mem)...

22:19 <MTughan> Nice... Although would come with a large premium.

22:19 <MTughan> I can get the same card as the link for the same price, but with stock clocks (nothing a bit of tweaking can't fix ;) ) and a silent cooler.

22:20 <BadBarbarian> i have used palit sense they started 5 years ago great cards

22:20 <MTughan>

22:20 <Romulus> <> (at

22:20 <MTughan> No passive heatsinks though.

22:21 <BadBarbarian>

22:21 <Romulus> <> (at

22:21 <MTughan> From what I can see here (not full selection though), that goes to Asus, MSI, and Zotac.

22:21 <MTughan> Yeah, $30 more.

22:22 <BadBarbarian> yep

22:22 <MTughan> For that price, I can get an 8800GTS.

22:22 <MTughan> PNY card, but the XFX is close.

22:22 <BadBarbarian> there software is great allws full fan comtroll but dont know if they have a linux version

22:23 <MTughan> There are nVidia drivers for Linux... These are separate?

22:23 <MTughan> Wow, I can still get an XFX GeForce 7200GS...

22:23 <MTughan> Cool enough for one small heatsink. :P

22:24 <PovAddict> you're becoming one hell of a hardware junkie

22:24 <MTughan> Heh...

22:24 <PovAddict> although I think I should overclock

22:24 <MTughan> BadBarbarian:

22:24 <Romulus> <> (at

22:25 <MTughan> Slower clock and mem rates, closer to the 9600GT stock, but double the stream processors.

22:25 <PovAddict> and make some kind of cooler that sends the heat of the CPU right to my frozen hands

22:26 <PovAddict> omg

22:26 <PovAddict> I thought they were up to 100-something... 147, eek...

22:26 <MTughan> Interesting... The Palit 1GB one has a dedicated HDMI port. Most other 9600 series have it in the DVI port.

22:26 <MTughan> What?

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22:26 <PovAddict> there are currently 147 episodes of this podcast

22:26 <PovAddict> a new one comes out every *week*

22:26 <MTughan> What podcast?

22:27 <PovAddict> if I start listening them from the first one, one a day, how much would I take to catch up?

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22:27 <MTughan> That's hard to tell, because while you're listening to old ones, new ones have come out...

22:27 <MTughan> &math 147 / 7

22:27 <Romulus> MTughan: 21

22:28 <PovAddict> that's 21 *weeks*

22:28 <MTughan> 25 weeks.

22:28 <PovAddict> &google calc 147 / (1 week -1 day) in days

22:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

22:28 <PovAddict> &google calc 147 / (1 week -1 day)

22:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: 147 / ((1 week) - (1 day)) = 0.000283564815 hertz

22:28 <PovAddict> what the

22:28 <MTughan> So while you're listening to the ones you missed, 21 new ones have come out. That takes another 3 weeks to listen to, in which another 3 have come out. And that takes less than a week.

22:29 <BadBarbarian> Mt i am running the palit 8600 gt 1 gig in this system its great

22:29 <MTughan> 21 + 3 + 1 = 25

22:29 <PovAddict> it's easier to calculate than that

22:29 <PovAddict> oh wait, no I was doing it wrong

22:29 <MTughan> The 1GB link you gave me was a 9600 card...

22:29 <PovAddict> I was calculating /6 since it's going 7 steps forward every week and one backward to reach the goal

22:30 <PovAddict> one backward being the new episode out

22:30 <MTughan> So was the Newegg link...

22:30 <MTughan> &math 147 / 6

22:30 <Romulus> MTughan: 24.5

22:30 <MTughan> Oh, I didn't think of that way...

22:30 <PovAddict> &google calc 24.5 weeks in months

22:30 <Romulus> PovAddict: 24.5 weeks = 5.63461727 months

22:30 <MTughan> That requires some serious commitment...

22:31 <MTughan> That'd put you into what, early December?

22:31 <MTughan> I wonder...

22:32 <MTughan> &google calc today + 1 day

22:32 <Romulus> MTughan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

22:32 <MTughan> &google calc today

22:32 <Romulus> MTughan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

22:32 <MTughan> Okay, so that doesn't work then.

22:34 <PovAddict> and in addition, I'll keep "outdated" most of the time

22:34 <PovAddict> since the podcast may talk about recent stuff, and by the time I listen it it would be old already :P

22:34 <PovAddict>

22:34 <Romulus> Title: GRC | Security Now! | Featuring episode #148 (at

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22:59 <PovAddict> I used amarok to copy a podcast episode to the iPod

22:59 <PovAddict> via ssh

22:59 <PovAddict> now the iPod says I have no music

23:01 <PovAddict> naturally I did no backup first

23:01 <PovAddict> well f#ck

23:14 <PovAddict> got it working! stupid FirewireGuid

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