IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-06-14

00:13 <efc> I got something rigged up to show me where in the sky my seti@home work is located

00:13 <efc> between Leo and Gemini right now

00:14 <efc> seti@home mapview

00:14 <efc> though a lot of the stats don't make much sense yet

00:22 <efc> I think I know how BSG is going to end..

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01:31 <efc> moo BB

01:36 <efc> wonder if that mini ITX would go in a reg ATX case

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01:56 <BadBarbarian> Moo efc

01:56 <efc> Whats up

01:57 <BadBarbarian> ran out on my 2 quads rs was down for 2 days

01:57 <BadBarbarian> :-(

01:58 <efc> Run the quads off the batteries?

01:58 <BadBarbarian> yes

01:59 <efc> Been looking at atom stuff..

01:59 <efc> will run win 2k apparently, probably good match

02:00 <BadBarbarian> took some searching but found a company that makes power supplies  for RV's and the made a computer ps for desktops

02:01 <BadBarbarian> so its pure 12 volt

02:01 <BadBarbarian> lol

02:01 <BadBarbarian> 600 watt each

02:02 <BadBarbarian> was running one off an inverter

02:02 <BadBarbarian> but for 600 watt it was costing 1200 watts in 12 volt power

02:03 <BadBarbarian> inverters are not very effichiant

02:03 <efc> Good idea

02:03 <efc> long as the cord is short

02:04 <BadBarbarian> they make ps's for all kind of rv stuff its a short hop to a desktop ps

02:05 <BadBarbarian> ithink there going to start a line of ps just for desktops in rvs

02:06 <BadBarbarian> small companay in portland called RVPower

02:07 <BadBarbarian> oh i got my 8600 ddr3 i gig video card

02:07 <BadBarbarian> palit very good card

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02:24 <nickuwo> I have mysql running, but ./configure is bitching about not being able to find mysql_config

02:27 <nickuwo> wtf

02:29 <Soul_keeper> good work

02:32 <nickuwo> I don't even have mysql_config

02:32 <nickuwo> fuck it

02:32 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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02:53 <Soul_keeper> you people killed jesus !!!

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04:29 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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04:30 <CoderForLife> &more

04:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: upper 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:39 <CoderForLife> brrrrreakfast time

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06:45 <_Danilo_> hi to all

06:47 <CoderForLife> All bid you greetings

06:47 <_Danilo_> thanks :)

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08:22 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:56 <quail> plink

08:57 <quail> they a dirty mungle bouncing spammer

09:06 <xcamel> killit.

09:09 <xcamel> milkyway has work again

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09:12 <xcamel> er... had...

09:32 <CoderForLife> morning

09:33 <CoderForLife> I got an e-mail this morning from offering options to "accessorize your  HP No. 45 Black Inkjet Print Cartridge".  That's personalization and up-sell run amok.

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11:05 <desti>

11:05 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:08 <quail> horror movies I <3 em

11:09 <quail> freddy vs jason, is on atm

11:12 <xcamel> cool..

11:12 <quail> xcamel: you like horror movies to?

11:13 <xcamel> horror and scifi

11:13 <quail> kewl, me too

11:13 <quail> how are you?

11:13 <xcamel> I mostly like the oldies better..

11:14 <quail> yeah I like the old horror movies the best

11:14 <xcamel> Lon Cheney era

11:14 <xcamel> and the old B-Scifi genre

11:14 <BB_Laptop> Mornin

11:14 <xcamel> 'lo BB

11:14 <quail> hey BB

11:15 <BB_Laptop> lo X lo Quail

11:15 <xcamel> Looks like Doug (wdsmia) is having real trouble in Des Moines atm..

11:15 <BB_Laptop> tornados

11:16 <BB_Laptop> flooding

11:16 <quail> and lots water

11:16 <xcamel> they had a big levee breach this am

11:16 <BB_Laptop> OOwww

11:16 <xcamel> downtown flooding etc.

11:17 <BB_Laptop> Not Good

11:18 <xcamel> Iowa is a real mess

11:31 <xcamel> shuttle landed nicely

11:35 <quail> freddy's back!

11:42 <CoderForLife> back

11:43 <CoderForLife> had to go into w@#% - couldn't remotely access my PC

11:45 <nickuwo> dammit, why can't configure find mysql?? its freakin running!

11:45 <CoderForLife> the pid file can be in one of two places, IIRC

11:46 <quail> nickuwo: ps aux | grep mysql

11:46 <CoderForLife> depends on your mysql install where it placed it

11:46 <nickuwo> i couldn't find an option on the wiki to tell it where it is

11:46 <CoderForLife> hmm

11:47 <quail> nickuwo: ps aux | grep mysql will tell you where mysql being run from

11:47 <CoderForLife> on one of my machines, it's at /var/run/mysqld/

11:47 <nickuwo> ya, I know  where it is run from, configure doesn't

11:48 <CoderForLife> same as 2nd machine

11:48 <quail> nickuwo: /etc/mysql/

11:48 <nickuwo> grrr

11:49 <nickuwo> yes, I know where it is... how do I tell ./configure where it is?

11:49 <quail> ./configure --prefix=<blah>

11:49 <CoderForLife> I think theres's a command line swich

11:49 <CoderForLife> what are you config'g?

11:50 <nickuwo> boinc

11:50 <CoderForLife> ah

11:50 <nickuwo> hehe

11:50 <nickuwo> prefix will just install it at <blah>

11:51 <quail> nickuwo: if you editing the config file, you have to restart mysql afterwards => /etc/init.d/mysql restart

11:51 <quail> for the edited config file to take effect

11:52 <nickuwo> there's an enviromental variable named MYSQL_CONFIG, but I don't know how to set it, nor does my install of mysql have a file named mysql_config, which it seems is what ./configure is looking for

11:52 <nickuwo> quail, I'm not sure you understand my problem...

11:52 <quail> nickuwo: you manually installing mysql?

11:53 <quail> if so

11:53 <quail> why?

11:53 <nickuwo> I'm running './configure' after './_autosetup' to configure BOINC, not mysql

11:54 <nickuwo> わかりますか?

11:54 <quail> nickuwo: oh now that making more sence, speak to PovAddict when he around

11:55 <nickuwo> sweet, did that appear as Japanese characters to you guys as well?

11:55 <quail> iirc PovAddict has done some compiling of the boinc client in the past

11:55 <nickuwo> ok

11:55 <quail> nickuwo: it did to me, but can't answer for others

11:56 <nickuwo> awesome, don't suppose you can read japanese...?

11:56 <quail> nope

11:56 <quail> but I can babelfist tho

11:56 <quail> babelfish

11:57 <nickuwo> that sounds familiar....

11:57 <quail> わかりますか? = It is understood?

11:58 <nickuwo> はい!

11:58 <nickuwo> yes

12:00 <quail> はい! = It is!

12:00 <quail> irssi rocks :-P

12:00 <nickuwo> is that a translator?

12:00 <quail> nah my irc client

12:01 <PovAddict> I'll be afk all day

12:02 <CoderForLife> have a nice one

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12:06 <quail> CoderForLife: how are you?

12:06 <xcamel> hot and bloody muggy here

12:07 <quail> CoderForLife: how hard has the rain / water hit you there?

12:08 <quail> xcamel: when you have a 15 record heat wave you know what I went through last summer

12:09 <CoderForLife> after the first front dumped hard rain for about 15 minutes, we got no more rain last night

12:09 <quail> I can I have not missed last summer

12:09 <nickuwo> nice, got it!

12:10 <CoderForLife> lunch time    bbiab

12:12 <xcamel> just watching that front getting ready to blow up again...

12:12 <quail> CoderForLife: enjoy

12:23 <quail> Poltergeist is on now :-)

12:37 <desti>

12:37 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: jfravel's Photostream (at

12:44 <CoderForLife> go to the Light, quail

12:44 <CoderForLife> no - don't go to the Light, quail

12:52 <quail> there here!

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13:05 <CoderForLife> ... the TV people ...

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13:59 <slasko> hi, have anyone tryid to run boinc on a cluster like setup?

14:14 <xcamel> several have, most go back to SOP..

14:17 <slasko> what is SOP?

14:21 <slasko> how did they do this? via PXE boot or ?

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15:14 <MTughan> Seems I never joined #boinc while on Windows...

15:16 <MTughan> Doing stress tests, needed Windows. Tried overclocking my P4.

15:16 <xcamel> lol

15:16 <MTughan> Was stable at 3GHz. Trying 3.2GHz.

15:16 <MTughan> This thing's got a big multiplier too... 14x!

15:17 <MTughan> Holding stable at 60C too. Thermal design power is 69.1C, so I'm not worried yet.

15:18 <MTughan> Can't wait for the C2Q though... :D

15:20 <MTughan> &math 84.9 + 11.3 + 4.3

15:20 <Romulus> MTughan: 100.5

15:20 <MTughan> So that's where most of my 120GB disk has gone...

15:21 <MTughan> Using 105... Okay, so that's where most of it is then.

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15:25 <MTughan> 79GB of that on my Desktop alone. O_O

15:27 <MTughan> Oh, right... Forgotten I had copied a folder of Vista stuff onto my Desktop because I was planning on wiping that partition.

15:27 <MTughan> 70GB there, and 6.5(!) in program installers.

15:28 <efc> Moo

15:30 <Soul_keeper> 40 bucks for a 160GB hard drive

15:32 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yeah, but I'll get it when I get my new computer. I already have a 120 and a 160GB drive in here.

15:33 <Soul_keeper> i saw a deal on newegg just now, 50 bucks for a 80GB laptop hard drive

15:33 <MTughan> Might not need it anyway. What I'll do is try and get rid of as much as possible, and keep a list of programs I want to keep.

15:33 <Soul_keeper> they only have 1 in stock tho

15:33 <MTughan> Then wipe the XP drive and install Vista.

15:33 <MTughan> Not until I get a quad-core though...

15:33 <Soul_keeper> :)

15:33 <MTughan> That, and 4GB and a GeForce 9600GT.

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15:34 <MTughan> I'll have to figure out what to do with 70GB of video too... That was what was in the Vista stuff.

15:34 <Soul_keeper> circuit city is apparently having a 30% off deal on evga cards tomarrow

15:34 <MTughan> I don't happen to have a CC around here.

15:34 <MTughan> Canadian, remember?

15:35 <Soul_keeper> you probably aren't missing anything, their prices are 20% higher than most, so not much savings

15:35 <MTughan> Also, how much?

15:35 <MTughan> I can get an Asus 9600GT Silent for $170CDN.

15:35 <Soul_keeper> i'm very happy with my radeon 3870

15:35 <MTughan> Windows?

15:35 <Romulus> Windows is not nearly as SHA1 computational friendly as Linux, MTughan

15:35 <Soul_keeper> linux

15:35 <MTughan> STFU...

15:36 <MTughan> How are the Radeon drivers?

15:36 <Soul_keeper> flawless

15:36 <MTughan> Huh... I was originally looking at a Radeon 3650, but I had heard that the ATI drivers were buggy on Linux, and even Windows.

15:37 <efc> Romulus: Knowing when to leave can be the smartest thing that anyone can learn. Fly.

15:37 <Soul_keeper> that's what people say, i've never had issues with them

15:37 <Romulus> I don't know!

15:38 <MTughan> Maybe I'll have to take another look at ATI's offerings then. Does AMD still use the ATI marque, or do they market them under AMD now?

15:39 <Soul_keeper> you do know that both nvidia and ati/amd  are releasing new cards in the next few weeks right ?

15:39 <MTughan> No, I didn't...

15:39 <MTughan> I probably won't be getting anything for at least 6 weeks, could be more, so maybe it's better...

15:39 <Soul_keeper> amd will be releasing the  4000 series, and nvidia the gt200

15:39 <MTughan> Any specs?

15:40 <Soul_keeper> i havn't really looked into it

15:40 <Soul_keeper> supposed to be a big release tho

15:40 <MTughan> They oughta have stuff on their site... Thanks.

15:41 <Soul_keeper> apparently folding@home will run on both amd and nvidia now

15:41 <MTughan> I don't run Folding though.

15:41 <Soul_keeper> me either, but promising

15:42 <Soul_keeper> anyways i gtg to the autoparts store ttyl

15:42 <MTughan> Bye.

15:43 <efc> I was thinking of setting up a solid state filesystem for a little atom box... Compact Flash + IDE adapter a good way to go?

15:44 <Soul_keeper>         btw at the top of that forum there are two dedicated threads one to the new amd and one to the new nvidia cards,  should have all the latest info

15:44 <Romulus> <> (at

15:45 <MTughan> Found it on Wikipedia, they're the GTX200 series, not the GT200.

15:45 <MTughan> And the first is supposed to be released in 3 days.

15:46 <Soul_keeper> gt200 and gtx200

15:46 <MTughan> Damn, that's a log of stream processors... 192 or 240.

15:46 <MTughan>

15:46 <Romulus> Title: GeForce 200 Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

15:47 <MTughan> 896MB standard.

15:47 <Soul_keeper> heh

15:47 <MTughan> rofl... 182W power.

15:47 <MTughan> 236W for the 280.

15:47 <efc> What are they doing with all that power...

15:48 <MTughan> Very good question indeed...

15:48 <efc> It wouldn't be so bad if it only sucked that much juice when you were playing Crysis. But when using notepad the idle power is pretty bad too.

15:49 <MTughan> Of the card itself?

15:49 <MTughan> Nuts... No pricing yet.

15:50 <MTughan> Although I expect they'll be expensive. I'll probably stick with a 9600.

15:50 <efc> Yes, just the card

15:50 <MTughan> Aiee...

15:50 <efc> Don't remember the numbers

15:51 <efc> (on other cards, not that one specifically)

15:51 <MTughan> The nVidia cards, or the ATI cards?

15:51 <efc> All of them

15:51 <MTughan> Ouch indeed...

15:52 <MTughan> Yeah, no power stats on Wikipedia for the R700 series from AMD.

15:53 <efc> 140 GB/sec memory bandwidth, wow

15:55 <MTughan> If this is right, I'll be sticking with a 9600GT.

15:55 <Romulus> <> (at

15:56 <MTughan> Reputed $399 for GTX200 and $329 for R700.

15:56 <MTughan> And that's US...

15:56 <efc> These things are the equivilent of a V16 Hummer that uses diesel distilled from hummingbird hearts

15:56 <MTughan> rofl...

15:57 <efc> I still have an old Geforce 4, $230 in 2002. Seemed like a lot of money at the time.

15:57 <MTughan> lol... Radeon 9600XT here, not sure what core that is.

15:58 <MTughan> It's an R300.

15:58 <MTughan> RV360 to be exact.

15:58 <efc> Its not quite fast enough to run GTA3 at 1280x1024. Runs fine at a lower res. Not many people were running 1280x1024 in 2002.

15:59 <MTughan> No, they weren't...

15:59 <MTughan> CRTs were never really quite big enough to support the max of 1600x1200.

15:59 <efc> Other than that I play older stuff that runs great.

15:59 <MTughan> Physically, anyway.

16:00 <MTughan> Some of the older Need for Speeds (NFS Hot Pursuit 2 especially) run pretty well and look rather nice.

16:00 <MTughan> Maybe less than today's games, but they're still damn fine games.

16:01 <MTughan> Just shy of 3 hours on the stress testing, still Prime95 stable.

16:01 <MTughan> Good sign...

16:01 <MTughan> &math 2800 / 3200

16:01 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.875

16:02 <MTughan> Wait, wrong way around...

16:02 <MTughan> &math 3200 / 2800

16:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.14285714286

16:02 <MTughan> 14% overclock.

16:02 <efc> i still play stuff like quake 1 and starcraft..

16:02 <MTughan> I've never really been into first-person shooters...

16:02 <efc> here are the only power graphs I could find.

16:02 <Romulus> <> (at

16:03 <MTughan> Older card, but at least it's something...

16:03 <efc> At least 47 watts diff between the idle powers on those cards (and no idea what the idle power is on the lowest one)

16:04 <MTughan> Wow... With the theoretical TDPs, the new cards could be a lot more power efficient...

16:04 <MTughan> 8800GTS draws 215W, GTX260 draws 182W theoretical.

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16:04 <MTughan> Should be close performance, GTX260 possibly a bit faster.

16:05 <MTughan> Were the 8xxx and 9xxx series made on 90nm processes?

16:06 <efc> Sounds right. Some of the newer ones are 80 or some odd in between process I think.

16:06 <MTughan> Hmm, apparently the 9xxx series are 65nm, while the 8xxx are split about 50/50 90nm and 65nm...

16:06 <MTughan> Oh, oops... Yeah, you're right. 8xxx are about half and half 80nm and 65nm.

16:07 <MTughan> The 8800GTS, GTX, and Ultra are 90nm.

16:07 <MTughan> All the 8600, 8500, and 8400 cards are 80nm.

16:07 <MTughan> Odd process indeed...

16:07 <efc> I guess 90 is getting to be passe now

16:08 <MTughan> For sure.

16:08 <efc> the FPGAs I've looked at are all on the 90 process

16:08 <MTughan> Too big, not power efficient enough.

16:09 <efc> Maybe they'll get a refresh across the board soon

16:09 <MTughan> To what?

16:09 <efc> If not, they lose their supercomputing appeal

16:09 <efc> 65 would be nice

16:09 <MTughan> Not 45?

16:10 <efc> That would be nice, but they'd probably be expensive. Not everybody can do 45 for a while.

16:10 <MTughan> Yeah... The new 45nm from Intel are still expensive compared to the 65nm.

16:11 <efc> They're still doing board chipsets on 130 nm I think, just because those older fabs need something to do and it isn't as critical

16:11 <MTughan> Makes sense.

16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

16:12 <efc> Moo yoyo

16:12 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

16:12 <yoyo[RKN]> somebody who can compile on mac here?

16:12 <MTughan> No, my Mac's down... zombie ain't here either...

16:12 <yoyo[RKN]> on mac you compile with xcode?

16:13 <MTughan> That or GCC.

16:13 <MTughan> Xcode uses GCC in the back anyway.

16:13 <yoyo[RKN]> and the binaries are running on intel and ppc?

16:13 <MTughan> You have to specify that yourself...

16:14 <yoyo[RKN]> so i switch it on and afterwards the binaries are for both platforms?

16:14 <MTughan> Using Xcode or GCC?

16:14 <yoyo[RKN]> xcode

16:14 <MTughan> Version?

16:14 <yoyo[RKN]> dont know what my team member used

16:15 <MTughan> Tiger or Leopard then?

16:15 <yoyo[RKN]> think Tiger

16:15 <MTughan> That'd be Xcode 2.4...

16:15 <MTughan> I think it's in Project->Project Settings, but the names may be off.

16:15 <MTughan> If you could get a screenshot, that'd be helpful.

16:16 <yoyo[RKN]> I jst want to know how easy it is to make binaries for both

16:16 <MTughan> Oh, you just have to set what architectures Xcode builds for.

16:17 <MTughan> It's really easy, just you have to know where it is.

16:17 <yoyo[RKN]> because POEM's binary runs only on Intel

16:17 <MTughan> For BOINC, you want separate PPC and Intel apps. Saves download time.

16:17 <MTughan> And I always build BOINC apps from the command line.

16:20 <MTughan> For GCC, you just have to add -arch <arch> flags. So for Universal, you add -arch ppc -arch i386.

16:21 <MTughan> For PPC alone, you use -arch ppc. For Intel alone, you use -arch i386. You can also build for Intel 64-bit, although I haven't seen 64-bit performance from that. For that, you use -arch x86_64.

16:21 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, thxs

16:21 <CoderForLife> I've seen "noarch" also - where does that come in?

16:21 <MTughan> You mean in Fedora?

16:22 * CoderForLife also waves

16:22 <CoderForLife> um, yes

16:22 <MTughan> Or Linux...

16:22 <MTughan> Means that is uses architecture neutral binaries. An example would be Python.

16:22 <CoderForLife> ah

16:22 <MTughan> So if an example uses Python, it doesn't matter what arch it's on, because Python is arch-specific and takes care of that for you.

16:23 <CoderForLife> okay

16:23 <yoyo[RKN]> is there also a gcc arch for PS3?

16:23 <MTughan> Doesn't run Mac.

16:24 <MTughan> But I've got to go... I'll see you all later.

16:24 <yoyo[RKN]> cu

16:24 <CoderForLife> tc

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16:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

16:26 <efc> moo CFL

16:34 <CoderForLife> moo efc

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16:38 <patrik> Is there an account manager that doesn't require a gui?

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16:46 <yoyo[RKN]> account managers are web pages

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17:30 <efc> I wonder if getting say 100 USB devices on one computer is reasonably possible..

17:30 <desti> add some pci usb controller

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17:36 <efc> I don't see many with more than 4 ports so far

17:37 <efc> Some 7's

17:38 <efc> You can cascade them to 5 levels / 127 deviced, though, I bet they don't test that configuration too much :)

17:41 <efc> I was looking at how to connect a bunch of relatively dumb devices to a PC

17:41 <efc> Ethernet scales a lot better but the devices can't be quite as dumb

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17:43 <efc> Brb, win2k is having a rare spazzout

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17:45 <xcamel> re-hi

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17:58 <CoderForLife> re-hi xcamel

17:58 <CoderForLife> wb efc

17:58 <CoderForLife> hello ELGono

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18:51 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

18:51 <MTughan> An hour later...

18:52 <MTughan> Been running Prime95 for 5 and a half hours now, CPU holding steady between 60 and 62C.

18:52 <MTughan> Looks like we're still stable... Nice!

18:57 <slasko> hi, have anyone tryid to run boinc on a cluster like setup

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19:06 <CoderForLife> hello MTughan a little bit later

19:07 <CoderForLife> I did a database boo-boo that I'm trying to recover from

19:07 <MTughan> Ouch.

19:10 <CoderForLife> production server was config'd to use data on the backup server, rather than it's local copy - I accidentally dropped the database on the backup server

19:10 <CoderForLife> now I'm loking for backups

19:10 <MTughan> &math 112 * 0.09

19:10 <Romulus> MTughan: 10.08

19:11 <MTughan> Need to free another 10GB here to defrag... Analysis was almost a solid block of red.

19:11 <CoderForLife> defrag under 'doze can do wonders

19:12 <MTughan> Here we go... an 8.27GB file.

19:12 <MTughan> Try storing that in FAT32. :D

19:12 <MTughan> Shoot, and I deleted it from the wrong drive... :P

19:13 <MTughan> Doesn't matter, I had another copy of it anyway.

19:14 <MTughan> That's why I was looking for a file like that. So that I could delete it, defrag, then copy it back on.

19:15 <MTughan> So you're looking for a backup of a backup?

19:16 <CoderForLife> yeah. exactly

19:16 <MTughan> You're also marked as away...

19:16 <MTughan> lol, nice.

19:17 <CoderForLife> describes my memtal state

19:17 <CoderForLife> mental

19:17 <MTughan> So it seems... You can't even concentrate on typing.

19:18 <MTughan> Nuts... 14% free now. I need 15%. :(

19:19 <MTughan> &math 112 * 0.15

19:19 <Romulus> MTughan: 16.8

19:19 <MTughan> 250MB...

19:19 <CoderForLife> I'm grasping at straws to try to get back to the production data

19:20 <CoderForLife> a couple of months work ending last December

19:20 <CoderForLife> I'll need it in a few weeks

19:20 <MTughan> There we go...

19:20 <MTughan> Well, good luck with that.

19:20 <MTughan> Just found the other 250MB I needed.

19:20 * CoderForLife splodes

19:21 <MTughan> Don't make a mess of a BOINC comp...

19:21 <MTughan> ;)

19:25 <MTughan> Okay, why did you 'splode?

19:26 <CoderForLife> backup file won't load

19:26 <MTughan> Ouch...

19:26 <MTughan> Bad news basically?

19:27 <MTughan> Also, I found out that the first time I replaced the CPU fan in my dad's comp, I put on about 5x too much thermal grease... xD

19:27 <MTughan> It's fixed now.

19:28 <CoderForLife> yeah - I'm sporked

19:28 <CoderForLife> I need a walk

19:28 <CoderForLife> bbl

19:28 <MTughan> Heh... Bye.

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20:09 <Soul_keeper> i want to get rid of my P4

20:09 <Soul_keeper> i don't think i've turned it on in like 2 months now

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20:13 <MTughan> Same, although it's my only working processor at this point.

20:13 <Soul_keeper> it has 1GB of ddr pc3500 and a geforce 6800xt

20:13 <Soul_keeper> how much you think i could sell it for on ebay ?

20:14 <MTughan> Dunno. Although similar stats to mine.

20:14 <MTughan> And my dad can probably use it.

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20:19 <CoderForLife> back

20:19 * KathrynM is back (gone 27:08:31)

20:19 <CoderForLife> I am now mostly unsporked.

20:19 <KathrynM> mornin

20:19 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

20:20 <efc> Moo

20:20 <KathrynM> oink

20:20 <CoderForLife> grunt

20:20 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

20:20 <KathrynM> Happy Sunday

20:21 <CoderForLife> I used the backup MySQL dump file, and pasted the SQL in manually, rather than running it as a SQL batch

20:21 <CoderForLife> that took care of the prolem with reading the binary data

20:21 <CoderForLife> now the wiki has it's structure back

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20:25 <CoderForLife> I just knew you'd all be so relieved

20:25 <KathrynM> sturctureless wikis are so sad

20:26 <CoderForLife> wikis with no db are very sad

20:26 <KathrynM> db are so necessary for some things

20:26 <CoderForLife> they have nothing to say without their db

20:26 <KathrynM> very true

20:27 <CoderForLife> unfortunately, my December work is gone, but I have my notes

20:27 <CoderForLife> and the uploaded files are still there

20:27 <KathrynM> I'm heading out to get breakfast, maybe go to the park and then do grocery shopping

20:27 <KathrynM> see ya'll later

20:27 * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

20:28 <MTughan> Bye.

20:28 <CoderForLife> sounds mighty fine

20:28 <KathrynM> mcdonalds for breaky :)

20:28 <CoderForLife> ah the breakfast of Coders

20:28 <KathrynM> too bad I'm not a Coder

20:28 <MTughan> And I don't eat McDonalds.

20:29 <CoderForLife> "That, young Skywalker, is why you fail."

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20:30 <MTughan> Except I'm not a Skywalker. :P

20:31 <CoderForLife> try reasoning by analogy

20:32 <MTughan> I'm not the one eating raw chemicals.

20:32 <CoderForLife> then we'll move on to reasoning by metaphor

20:32 <MTughan> I've never really understood what a metaphor is...

20:32 <CoderForLife> they are not raw - I demand them to be well-cooked

20:32 <MTughan> Okay, well-cooked random chemicals.

20:41 <MTughan> Do you like a good Star Wars parody?

20:42 <MTughan> &google The Emperor's New Clones

20:42 <Romulus> MTughan: Search took 0.20 seconds: TheForce.Net - Fan Films - TFN FanFilms | Short Films | The ...: <>; Backyard Productions: <>; Backyard Productions: <>; Fenopy : Star Wars - The Emperors New Clones (TENCLO) Parody DVD ...: (3 more messages)

20:44 <MTughan> "You know what they call a quarter-pound with cheese on Tatooine? A sand-wich."

20:44 * CoderForLife continues db repair

20:46 <MTughan> Wow... Only 13% defragged at this point.

20:46 <MTughan> Over an hour and a half...

20:46 <Soul_keeper> lol use linux

20:46 <MTughan> I do.

20:47 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

20:47 <MTughan> But I needed to stress test, and was wondering why I had 2GB of 112 left.

20:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 83.1F / 28.4C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.4mph / 5.5km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming partly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 57 to 64. Light winds.; Sunday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 80 to 85 in (1 more message)

20:47 <MTughan> My main OS is Fedora 7.

20:48 <MTughan> Been running Prime95 for 7.5 hours now... I think it's still stable.

20:49 <MTughan> Yep, seems I'm still stable at 3.2GHz. Stock CPU clock is 2.8GHz.

20:50 <Soul_keeper> P4 ?

20:50 <Romulus> It has been said that P4 is on track for 64h down to about 17h, Soul_keeper

20:50 <MTughan> Yes, P4.

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20:50 <Soul_keeper> my 2.8e does 3.2 unless it's a really hot day, then i have to bring it down to like 3.1 or 3.15

20:51 <MTughan> 3207.5MHz.

20:51 <MTughan> I'm running steady at 61-62C.

20:51 <Soul_keeper> very sensitive to ambient temps

20:51 <MTughan> And it's been fairly warm over the past few days.

20:52 <MTughan> Could be testament to the cooling capabilities of the case and CPU heatsink too.

20:52 <MTughan> Running a Zalman 9500.

20:52 <MTughan> I don't know how Intel managed a P4 3.4GHz with the stock cooler...

20:53 <Soul_keeper> is it a northwood cpu ?

20:53 <MTughan> Since the Thermal spec is 69.1C.

20:53 <MTughan> No, Prescott.

20:53 <Soul_keeper> exact same as mine :)

20:53 <MTughan> Socket 478 or 775?

20:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah the prescott is notorious for running hot

20:53 <Soul_keeper> 478

20:53 <MTughan> Wow, so it is basically the same...

20:53 <MTughan> Know what the revision is?

20:53 <Soul_keeper> just be carefull with the voltage, you can burn it up easier than a northwood

20:54 <MTughan> I'm not gonna play with the voltages. I'm too close to do that.

20:54 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i might have a  /proc/cpuinfo saved somewhere ...

20:54 <MTughan> I'll just play with the FSB. I can go up to 300MHz without OC'ing the RAM, not sure about the NB.

20:54 <Soul_keeper> you'll reach a point where more voltage just makes it less stable

20:54 <MTughan> &math 14 * 300

20:54 <Romulus> MTughan: 4200

20:54 <MTughan> rofl...

20:55 <MTughan> I'd need some serious watercooling and voltage tweaks to reach that.

20:55 <Soul_keeper> i've managed to bench mine as high as 3.36GHz but it was only stable for like 20min

20:55 <CoderForLife> now this is a first class flood...

20:55 <Romulus> <> (at

20:55 <MTughan> If I can get something like 3.3GHz, I'll be quite satisfied.

20:55 <MTughan> Even if I just reach 3.2GHz, that's a 14% overclock, fine with me.

20:55 <Soul_keeper> i never did put my water cooling setup on it, but i did have the best aircooling and a 5000rpm fan

20:56 <MTughan> Yeah, this cooler has a 92mm fan and runs at max 2300RPM.

20:56 <Soul_keeper> i never got above 3.2 stable

20:56 <MTughan> What are your load temps?

20:57 <MTughan> We're probably about 27C ambient and 61C load.

20:57 <MTughan> CFL: Wow...

20:57 <MTughan> I guess the train's not going through...

20:58 <Soul_keeper>

20:58 <Soul_keeper> that was it's stable speed during the winter months

20:58 <Soul_keeper> 3.15 or so during the summer

20:58 <CoderForLife> gives a whole new meaning to "it sounded like a freight train going through the living room"

20:59 <Soul_keeper> heh

20:59 <MTughan> No stepping there, but the rest matches exactly to what CPU-Z gives.

20:59 <MTughan> Sorry, revision...

21:00 <MTughan> So I think this one can push a bit higher, unless our summer temps are like your winter temps.

21:00 <MTughan> &math convert 27 C F

21:00 <Romulus> MTughan: 80.6

21:02 <Soul_keeper> model, family, stepping

21:02 <Soul_keeper> you want revision ?

21:02 <MTughan> If you can get it...

21:03 <MTughan> I have C0.

21:07 <MTughan> And my f***ing GPS lost all its f***ing info...

21:08 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, i found the wcpuid images at various speeds

21:08 <Soul_keeper>

21:08 <Soul_keeper> stable long enough to just shoot a 3.531 image

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21:09 <Soul_keeper> family/model/stepping ...

21:09 <Soul_keeper> hmmm maybe a picture of the core you say ?

21:10 <Soul_keeper> i havn't deleted anything in like 10yrs i don't think

21:13 <MTughan> Sorry, I don't get anything for the last image, the 3.531 one.

21:13 <MTughan> I just get a blue gradient that says WCPUID / CPU Status on it.

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21:32 <Soul_keeper> i guess your browser don't like bmp images

21:32 <MTughan> Safari.

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21:33 <MTughan> FF works.

21:43 <MTughan> Well, one piece of good news. 3.2GHz is 8hr Prime95 stable.

21:45 <efc> Sickening

21:46 <MTughan> What is?

21:47 <efc> The immorality of Overclocking. A threat to country, mom, and apple pie! I report you Sir!

21:47 <MTughan> What, that I'm not buying new chips right now?

21:47 * efc watches the black Intel van pull up

21:48 <efc> getting one of those quads and OC'ing the *$#3 out of it is very appealing...

21:48 <MTughan> If you're watching it, it means they're coming for you... :P

21:48 <efc> I admit it.. I decreased the memory refresh interval on my 386SX-16.. I was young.. I needed the speed..

21:49 <MTughan> See, I'm not playing around with the memory timings. Yet...

21:50 <efc> I really did do that. It was controlled by one of the channels on the PIT and it refreshed more than it needed to.

21:51 <MTughan> I can overclock further. The MB seems to be locked at a 3:2 FSB:RAM ratio, and while I can set the RAM clock manually, I'm leaving it there for now. It can run at a max of 200MHz without overclocking, meaning I can take the FSB up to 300MHz max without OC'ing the RAM.

21:51 <MTughan> Locked multiplier of 14x, meaning...

21:51 <MTughan> &math 14 * .3

21:51 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.2

21:51 <MTughan> 4.2GHz. Much more appealing than 2.8GHz.

21:55 <Soul_keeper> i did some checking, apparently i had water cooled, and modded the motherboard to obtain that 3.3-3.5 oc on the prescott

21:55 <Soul_keeper> that was the motherboard i ended up destroying

21:56 <Soul_keeper> replacement motherboard with nothing more than air never went about 3.2

21:56 <Soul_keeper> first prescott i got was A0 stepping in jan 04 and doa, replacement is D0 i believe

21:57 <efc> I have a good ol northwood on this machine and a prescott on the other. Both 2.8 ghz, the north is a bit faster.

21:57 <MTughan> So one revision further than mine.

22:01 <Soul_keeper> i'd have to remove the motherboard to remove the heatsink to verify

22:03 <efc> CPUZ ought to tell you

22:04 <MTughan> Yeah. But you'd have to boot into Windows.

22:04 <efc> like, i have a stepping 9 Northwood

22:04 <MTughan> Not sure how well CPU-Z works under Wine.

22:04 <efc> Not listed in proc\processor or whatever that file is?

22:04 <efc> proc\cpu maybe

22:13 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i know it's not D0, must be B0

22:13 <CoderForLife> bedtime

22:13 <efc> Did you look under proc? I dunno what even goes there now.

22:13 <CoderForLife> cya folks

22:13 <efc> night CFL

22:14 <CoderForLife> buh-bye =)

22:18 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's too much work  ohh well

22:20 <Didactylos> Someone have several cores and is testing BOINC 6?

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22:21 <Didactylos> Anyone?

22:22 <MTughan> I tried BOINC 6 on my P4 with HT. That count?

22:22 <MTughan> I don't remember much about it though.

22:23 <Didactylos> Still have it installed? I want to test something.

22:23 <MTughan> Yeah, but it

22:23 <efc> oh yeah, i ought to try an upgrade, still on 5.8.16

22:24 <MTughan> ..'s on Linux... In Windows right now.

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22:24 <Didactylos> I was going to test it myself, but I just realised I installed 6 on a single core machine.

22:25 <Didactylos> *sigh*

22:25 <MTughan> Test what>

22:25 <MTughan> ?*

22:25 <Didactylos> Clear any local preferences, then set the max cpus option online.

22:25 <Didactylos> See if the setting is ignored.

22:26 <MTughan> Should it be?

22:26 <Didactylos> Set it to 1 CPU, and see what happens.

22:27 <Didactylos> It shouldn't be ignored, but the setting was changed to a percentage.

22:27 <MTughan> Yeah, I know that.

22:27 <Didactylos> AFAIK (from the checkins at the time) the old setting was just removed.

22:28 <MTughan> For checking from the code, PovAddict would be the one to ask.

22:28 <Didactylos> This means that when thousands of people upgrade, this setting will be lost.

22:28 <Didactylos> MTughan: I can do that myself. But eventually, one needs to do a real-world test.

22:29 <MTughan> Should it be transferred to a per-machine preference based on the number of processors/cores in the machine?

22:30 <Didactylos> Don't follow.

22:30 <MTughan> Sorry, I can't test it right now, whether on Windows or Linux... Still trying to do overclock and stress test.

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22:31 <MTughan> Reminds me, I'll need to restart sometime soon to boost the overclock. I'm stable at 3.2GHz with stock being 2.8GHz.

22:31 <Soul_keeper> i always had best luck with the mem divider at 5:4

22:32 <Soul_keeper> is that what you got ?

22:32 <MTughan> I can't set the ratio myself, but I can set the RAM clock.

22:32 <Soul_keeper> i875 chipset ?

22:32 <MTughan> And the FSB:RAM is stuck at 3:2.

22:32 <Soul_keeper> that might be alright

22:32 <MTughan> One sec...

22:32 <MTughan> i875P, yep.

22:33 <Soul_keeper> my setup never liked 1:1 or 3:2  couldn't get over 3GHz like that for some reason

22:33 <MTughan> Yeah, with that ratio, I can push the FSB to 300MHz without OC'ing the RAM. I don't remember what the rated FSB for this chipset is.

22:34 <Soul_keeper> think it was just 800

22:34 <MTughan> Meaning?

22:34 <Soul_keeper> meaning 200 is the default

22:34 <MTughan> I can't quite figure out the relationship between the CPU FSB and the chipset FSB...

22:35 <MTughan> I think I know between the CPU FSB and the RAM FSB.

22:35 <Soul_keeper> my memory fails me on the subject, but basically the fsb is quad pumped

22:35 <MTughan> "800/533 MHz system bus"

22:36 <MTughan> So the NB FSB is 4x the CPU FSB?

22:37 <Soul_keeper> the mem is dual pumped, fsb quad pumped, chipset a multiple of the fsb  or something

22:37 <Soul_keeper> i'd hafta give it some thought

22:37 <MTughan> Okay... The Bus Speed in CPU-Z lists 229.1MHz, which is the value I set. The Rated FSB is 916.4MHz, 4 times the Bus Speed.

22:38 <MTughan> Mem's running at 152.7MHz.

22:38 <MTughan> &math 229.1 / 3 * 2

22:38 <Romulus> MTughan: 152.733333333

22:38 <MTughan> That'd be it...

22:39 <MTughan> So the CPU speed is the multiplier * FSB. Chipset FSB is 4x FSB, RAM clock is ratio * FSB?

22:39 <MTughan> Although DDR2 clock seems to be 2 * ratio * FSB.

22:39 <Soul_keeper> sounds right, you could also say your mem is running at 304~

22:39 <MTughan> True, because they advertise double.

22:40 <MTughan> It's DDR-400 RAM.

22:40 <Didactylos> MTughan: I checked the code. There is no subsequent checkin fixing the potential bug, so I fully expect the setting to be ignored.

22:40 <MTughan> Cool...

22:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah so your memory is underclocked

22:40 <MTughan> No surprise.

22:40 <Didactylos> Can you (or someone) try it (when it's convenient for you)?

22:41 <MTughan> Once I have the overclock I want, I can see how it does.

22:41 <MTughan> Here we are... Here's my mem:

22:41 <Romulus> <> (at

22:41 <Soul_keeper> they did away with pci dividers, for determining the mem/fsb ratios in newer chipsets

22:42 <Soul_keeper> ultimately it's all a fraction of the pci bus in older ones i guess

22:42 <MTughan> And having the MB determine RAM timings, it actually dropped the RAS from 7 to 8...

22:42 <Soul_keeper> multiple*

22:42 <Didactylos> Oh! One point: make sure you set the option at a project that specifies max_cpus, not max_ncpus_pct.

22:42 <MTughan> How can I tell?

22:43 <MTughan> Wait, it dropped a lot of stuff...

22:43 <Soul_keeper> can't really unless you get hard drive corruption or sound issues :)

22:44 <MTughan> Default is 2.5-3-3-7. Running at 2.5-4-4-8.

22:44 <MTughan> SK: The "How can I tell?" was directed to Didactylos.

22:44 <Soul_keeper> this is why a lot of people used to think creative sounds cards were so buggy imo, they'd overclock and the pci bus would shoot up to like 36-38 and the cards would flip out

22:44 <Didactylos> MTughan: I can guarantee WCG don't.

22:45 <Didactylos> But check in global_prefs.xml to be sure.

22:45 <MTughan> All right. But can you set that on WCG? I've never seen prefs on there.

22:45 <Didactylos>

22:45 <Romulus> <> (at

22:48 <MTughan> I don't see it in there.

22:48 <MTughan> Nvm, found it.

22:48 <MTughan> Now, let me guess how you know so much about WCG: from

22:49 <Didactylos> I'm a WCG Community Advisor.

22:50 <MTughan> Well, that too then...

22:50 <Didactylos> :-D

22:50 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, btw i would run my 2.8e at about 1.36 actual vcore  any higher didn't seem to help

22:50 <MTughan> Okay, thanks.

22:50 * Soul_keeper wanders off

22:51 <MTughan> Man, I've dropped severly in's WCG team... Used to be up in the mid-80's, now at 539 according to BS.

22:52 <MTughan> I really need either the quad-core or the dual-core Mac up again. Both would be really nice...

22:52 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm not known as MTughan in BOINC. Look for jedirock all around.

22:53 <efc> My ranks have been dropping like a rock forever.. Need a Speed Infusion

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22:55 <efc> #21 in TFFE nowdays

22:56 <MTughan> Over all projects that have a team, I'm #87.

22:57 <MTughan> Heh, I'm even further than the founder... :P

22:57 <MTughan> Didactylos is down at 117.

22:58 <Didactylos> Considering I only manage and run WCG, that's not surprising.

22:58 <MTughan> How many computers though?

22:58 <Didactylos> I signed up for that stupid "BOINC Teams" thing, and it creates UF on every half-bit beta project out there.

22:58 <efc> What does UF do?

22:59 <MTughan> Because we still only have so much computing power, and there's not a huge amount of projects with

22:59 <MTughan> It's a comic.

22:59 <MTughan>

22:59 <Romulus> Title: UserFriendly.Org (at

22:59 <efc> Oh gotcha

22:59 <MTughan> Last three have been good... :P

23:00 <MTughan> All right, I don't remember how many projects I'm in that I'm also in

23:01 <MTughan> 4 projects: ABC, E@H, S@H, and WCG.

23:01 <efc> I wonder if I could do most of this seti@home crunching as fixed point with a 0.1 dB LSB, instead of floating point. FP is giving me a headache.

23:01 <MTughan>

23:01 <Romulus> <> (at

23:02 <MTughan> Forgot I had a screenshot of my custom BOINC manager on the projects tab...

23:02 <efc> Busy manager

23:03 <MTughan> That's just my port of the default one to Aqua. That was before I had actually designed something.

23:03 <MTughan> is a sketchup of a drawing on paper.

23:03 <Romulus> <> (at

23:04 <MTughan> I need to decide what kinds of buttons can go up at the top, but that idea.

23:04 <efc> That looks nice and clean

23:04 <MTughan> That integrates basically the Tasks and Transfers tabs into one.

23:05 <MTughan> Unfortunately, soon after I drew that, my dad took away my Mac laptop, so nothing has actually been done on that... The sketch was made using GIMP on Linux.

23:06 <MTughan> And yes, I can't really reproduce the look of Aqua using GIMP... :P

23:06 <MTughan> Although the "I" button for Get Info was actually taken from my Mac's disk... :P

23:06 <MTughan> That's why it's the only have decent button on there. I'll put more detail in when I make it.

23:07 <Soul_keeper>   lol 500 dollar cat5 cable

23:07 <Romulus> <> (at

23:07 <MTughan> Oh, and the System item under Statistics refers to the disk space at least, possibly more later on.

23:08 <MTughan> Holy crap...

23:08 <MTughan> I wonder if it's handmade... :P

23:09 <MTughan> Hmm, you sure that's Cat-5? Looks like it, but it's never mentioned.

23:09 <efc> But it makes the bits especially crisp

23:09 <efc> Bouquets of 1's, aromas of 0's. The transitions are very well defined.

23:09 <efc> 64 kbps mp3s sound sparklingly exquisite

23:10 <MTughan> lol

23:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm so bored today

23:11 <MTughan> Okay, reason it doesn't say Cat-5 is because it's not for networking. Denon Link seems to be an audio connector. Doesn't mean it's not Cat-5 compliant...

23:11 <MTughan> Heh, probably even Cat-5e compliant if they put so much work into it.

23:12 <Soul_keeper> i guess the music/movie industry orders that stuff by the mile with all the royalties they collect

23:12 <MTughan> rofl... They can afford it!

23:12 <efc> They could be using it for something analog

23:13 <Soul_keeper> my favorite websites havn't updated all day, they took saturday off :(

23:13 <MTughan> If you're going to spend that much money for an audio cable though, I'd hope you'd splurge on other equipment so you can actually use digital.

23:14 <Soul_keeper> yeah 500 bucks is nothing if you are buying like 40k worth of junk, and probably a 10k recording room to boot

23:14 <MTughan> Yep.

23:15 <MTughan> Of course, that's not us. If we had that much money, guess where it'd be going?

23:15 <MTughan> Quad core comps. xD

23:15 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:15 <MTughan> You know it. :P

23:17 <MTughan> Hmm... Any idea how good 4-3-3-10 RAM timings are on PC2-6400/DDR2-800 RAM?

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23:23 <Soul_keeper>       look what i found

23:23 <Romulus> <> (at

23:23 <Soul_keeper> smaller than an 80mm fan

23:23 <BadBarbarian> well guys i am going to make the dive in linux

23:24 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Small computer using the Atom processor?

23:25 <efc> that doesn't look cheap. probably going after industrial/embedded market.

23:25 <Soul_keeper> well i'm trying to figure out how it would be used

23:27 <Soul_keeper> fully contained including flash drive, but would require some soldering and studying of com express connectors to utilize it

23:28 <efc> 7W total, thats more like it

23:29 <Soul_keeper> 10 of them together could is the goal

23:29 <Soul_keeper> that's be 20 logical cores

23:30 <efc> Maybe somebody will use that chipset in a more economical model

23:30 <efc> That board is probably $500 or more

23:31 <Soul_keeper> i doubt that

23:31 <Soul_keeper> 60 bucks for the desktop variant

23:31 <efc> if they market it at defense and medical, it will be ridiculous

23:32 <Soul_keeper> my guess would be less than 200

23:32 <efc> but maybe somebody else will do a cheapo

23:32 <Soul_keeper> you could be right

23:32 <efc> we buy that crap at work and its always off the charts

23:32 <efc> 20,000 for a powerPC board

23:32 <efc> 750 mhz

23:33 <efc> might not even be mil-spec

23:33 <Soul_keeper> lol

23:33 <Soul_keeper>        crysis on a via nano

23:33 <Romulus> <> (at

23:37 <efc> Cool, I have other plans though

23:40 <MTughan> The one thing I'm wondering: is that the performance of the Nano processor or the 8600?

23:43 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm socket 771 doesn't fit 775 huh ?

23:48 <efc> Hmm, is Hz/sec = 1/second^2 ?

23:48 <Soul_keeper> apparently 771 cpu's work in 775 boards, so i can buy a quad xeon should i choose :)

23:50 <MTughan> efc: Sounds right...

23:51 <efc> looking at the s@h de-chirp code

23:53 <Soul_keeper>    that makes me drule

23:53 <Romulus> <> (at

23:54 <efc> Looks good

23:54 <efc> Now for a dually mb ..

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23:55 <Soul_keeper> i'd just replace my e4300 c2d with that

23:57 <Soul_keeper> i think i'd be willing to trade my entire P4 system and my e4300  for that cpu

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