IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-06-17

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00:09 <Soul_keeper> http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334&p=21

00:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6krdkm> (at anandtech.com)

00:09 * Soul_keeper drules

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00:27 <MTughan> Okay, I need to go to bed soon... 12:30AM, and I'm starting to get afterimages from the monitor...

00:34 <surrealillusion> yeah i'm burnt out

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00:56 <BadBarbarian> &convert  85f to c

00:56 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Error: The command "convert" is available in the Currency and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "convert".

00:58 <Soul_keeper> &math convert  85f to c

00:58 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: 85f is not a valid unit.

00:58 <Soul_keeper> &math convert  85 F to c

00:58 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: c is not a valid unit.

00:58 <Soul_keeper> &math convert  85 F to C

00:58 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 29.4444444444

00:58 <BadBarbarian> thanx

01:31 <efc> moo

01:34 <efc> Looked at the newest nvidia.. wonder how they are going to sell that..

01:35 <BadBarbarian> &math convert  85 C to F

01:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 185.0

01:36 <BadBarbarian> &math convert 85 C to F

01:36 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 185.0

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01:53 <efc> 4 teraflops out of those special nvidia machines..

02:04 <Tank_Master> BB!

02:06 <Tank_Master> efc - try 1TFlop per card

02:06 <Tank_Master> so unless you have quad SLI...

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02:09 <efc> I said special machine

02:09 <efc> they have some box with 4 of those cards in it

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02:13 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:13 <Tank_Master> ok

02:38 <efc> hmm, i'm thinking about canceling my phone

02:38 <efc> its basically over a $1 charge

02:40 <efc> my bill seems to go up every month

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03:26 <CoderForLife> morning

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03:34 <efc> moo

03:35 <efc> &weather 31088

03:35 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 70░F / 21░C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Sunny in the morning...then partly sunny with scattered showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 90s. Northwest winds up to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 5 (1 more message)

03:39 <CoderForLife> moo efc

03:43 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 59.5░F / 15.3░C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. (1 more message)

03:44 <efc> been looking through s@h some more..

03:46 <efc> i need the books on tape version

03:53 <CoderForLife> MS Word 2007 is complaining that it is not activated.  When I try to activate it, it complains that it is already activated.  I figure this is a plan to decrease the surplus population.

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03:54 <efc> I wonder when they'll turn off the activation for various products..

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03:59 <CoderForLife> whenever it suits them

04:00 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking my problem is not *activation(, but *registration* for MS Office Online

04:00 <CoderForLife> all I wanted was a FAX template for Word - Word 2007 comes with none

04:07 <CoderForLife> roadblocks, roadblocks

04:13 <efc> dell wants to sell me a Q6600 for $499

04:22 <CoderForLife> I would imagine the statement would also be true at $4990

04:26 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:29 <efc> overall i'm just too lazy to put together a newer system..

04:33 <CoderForLife> lazy is OK, when it yields benefits/progress

04:33 <efc> Error: Divide By Zero

04:35 <CoderForLife> Three Virtues of a Programmer:

04:35 <CoderForLife>    1. Laziness - The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. Also hence, this book. See also impatience and hubris.

04:35 <CoderForLife>    2. Impatience - The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. See also laziness and hubris.

04:35 <CoderForLife>    3. Hubris - Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. See also laziness and impatience.

04:50 <efc>     4. Sleepy

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04:50 <CoderForLife> k

04:50 <CoderForLife> that was quick

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06:10 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

06:35 <hawmps> spork >> 218.92.115.98

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07:44 <ELGono> What does an Englishman do after winning the World Cup and the Euro Cup?

07:44 <ELGono> He turns off his playstationů

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08:32 <hawmps> lol

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09:55 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

09:55 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 73.4░F / 23.0░C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...increasing to around 20 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. West winds 10 to 15 (1 more message)

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09:59 <BadBarbarian> &wx

09:59 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

09:59 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

09:59 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 47░F / 8.3░C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 78 on the North Rim to around 108 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 46 on the North Rim to (1 more message)

10:00 <BadBarbarian> &more

10:00 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: around 61 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 78 on the North Rim to around 108 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.;

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11:00 <hawmps> downright chilly...

11:00 <hawmps> 62F

11:03 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

11:03 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 68.6░F / 20.3░C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. High in the mid 70s. West wind near 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. West wind around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. High around 80. Northwest wind around 5 (1 more message)

11:03 <wdsmia_w> &more

11:03 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: mph.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 10:00 PM CDT on June 20, 2008;

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11:13 <jackygrahamez> PovAddict I did some testing, I hardcoded this path and it worked

11:13 <jackygrahamez> app_path = "../../projects/hydrogenathome.org/Python25/python.exe";

11:14 <jackygrahamez> so I think I just need to reformat it to use the relative directory path deliminated by forwards slashes

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11:48 <hawmps> hmmm...

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12:22 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

12:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 53.6░F / 12.0░C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Becoming partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs 65 to 70. Light wind becoming west 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. Lows 45 to 50. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

12:22 <Tank_Master> &more

12:22 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs 65 to 70. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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12:48 <jackygrahamez> Would it make sense to create a wrapper that interprets object names?

12:49 <jackygrahamez> I've also been thinking it would be nice to have conditional statements in my job files

12:53 <jackygrahamez> maybe I should suggest it to the developers?

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14:25 <jackygrahamez> I can't seem to get this erase or an equivalent function working in VS C++ 2008 http://www.cppreference.com/cppstring/erase.html

14:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/567dmn> (at www.cppreference.com)

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14:25 <jackygrahamez> or maybe I should use insert

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14:26 <mwalling> argh

14:26 <mwalling> damn putty

14:29 <jackygrahamez> hmm I think I found a better reference here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/db438k92(VS.80).aspx

14:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6e8fan> (at msdn.microsoft.com)

14:32 <PovAdct_w> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/erase.html

14:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/24z7gp> (at www.cplusplus.com)

14:32 * PovAdct_w goes home

14:32 <PovAdct_w> http://rafb.net/p/MRQBVw56.html <- powerful tab completion for boinc_cmd :)

14:32 <Romulus> Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)

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15:27 <jackygrahamez> I'm getting a little error here with data types

15:27 <jackygrahamez> project_dir.erase(int(project_dir.begin()), project_dir.find("BOINC")));

15:27 <jackygrahamez> cannot convert from 'std::_String_iterator<_Elem,_Traits,_Alloc>' to 'int'

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> hi

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16:36 <xcamel> re-hi

16:38 <CoderForLife> home again - din din

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16:50 <xcamel> and all that..

16:51 <wdsmia_w> almost time for me to head home

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16:56 <jackygrahamez> I'm getting this error trying to erase the first half of the project path

16:56 <slasko> how many computers do you have running boinc?

16:56 <jackygrahamez> ..\wrapper\wrapper.C(215) : error C2664: 'std::basic_string<_Elem,_Traits,_Ax> &std::basic_string<_Elem,_Traits,_Ax>::erase(unsigned int,unsigned int)' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'std::_String_iterator<_Elem,_Traits,_Alloc>' to 'unsigned int'

16:56 <jackygrahamez> http://pastebin.ca/1049506

16:56 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - wrapper - post number 1049506 (at pastebin.ca)

16:58 <PovAddict> slasko: three

16:58 <jackygrahamez> slasko: not sure

16:58 <PovAddict> this dualcore 24/7, my sister's Pentium 4 (not always on), and now also the computer at work

17:00 <jackygrahamez> do I need to convert the string iterator to unsigned int for my find?

17:00 <jackygrahamez> if so, how

17:01 <PovAddict> bbl

17:01 <PovAddict> no you shouldn't be converting to ints, you should be using the erase() that takes iterators

17:01 <jackygrahamez> oh

17:02 <PovAddict> bbl, doctor ->

17:07 <Tank_Master> hf

17:08 <jackygrahamez> I guess I should leave the programming to the smart people. I read can't figure out how to use the erase that takes iterators

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17:18 <Zeeno> #seen aflac

17:22 <CoderForLife> back

17:22 <CoderForLife> &seen AFLAC

17:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: AFLAC was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <AFLAC> Playing around

17:23 <CoderForLife> &seen sethy

17:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sethy was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <sethy> doing windows update, last i did one was... never

17:25 <CoderForLife> pretty nice outside

17:25 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 79.8░F / 26.6░C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. (1 more message)

17:25 <CoderForLife> &more

17:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Chance of rain 20 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:26 <BB_Laptop> &seen ELGono

17:26 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: ELGono was last seen in #boinc 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <ELGono> He turns off his playstationů

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18:03 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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18:04 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 78.3░F / 25.7░C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. Northwest wind near 10 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind around 5 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 60s. West wind around 5 mph (1 more message)

18:04 <wdsmia> &more

18:04 <Romulus> wdsmia: shifting to the south up to 5 mph after midnight.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on June 21, 2008;

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18:34 <xcamel> back again

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18:56 <jackygrahamez> finally

18:56 <jackygrahamez> app_path = "../.." + project_dir.substr(project_dir.find("BOINC") + 5, project_dir.max_size()) + "/Python25/python.exe";

18:57 <jackygrahamez> I think I'll just develop a proof of concept for refferencing the project/y directory and see what People think

18:59 <jackygrahamez> I still have to parse this out in command line :-(

18:59 <jackygrahamez> well I'm going home!

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19:04 * Rookie_69 is wondering if wdsmia is wandering around wearing a snorkel yet.

19:06 <PovAddict> what on earth does boinc_cmd --get_cc_status do? =/

19:06 <Rookie_69> ... confuse people like me?

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19:13 <Rookie_69> ISP still under water, Doug_?

19:16 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

19:16 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 50.4┬░F / 10.2┬░C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 8:16 PM ADT; Tonight - Showers or periods of drizzle. Risk of a thundershower overnight. Fog patches spreading inland. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 11C(52F).; Wednesday - Showers or periods of (1 more message)

19:16 <Rookie_69> &more

19:16 <Romulus> Rookie_69: drizzle. Risk of a thundershower early in the morning. Fog patches retreating to the coast. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) in the morning. High 13C(55F) except 17C(63F) inland. UV index 3 or moderate. Wednesday night periods of drizzle. Fog patches spreading inland. Low 12C(54F).; Thursday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 17C(63F).;

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19:51 <surrealillusion> hmm

19:55 <PovAddict> any Linux user here, can you tell me where your BOINC data directory is?

19:56 <PovAddict> debian/ubuntu puts it in /var/lib/boinc-client/; I need more examples of where I'm likely to find it

19:56 <surrealillusion> PovAddict mine is in my home directory

19:56 <surrealillusion> projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/

19:57 <surrealillusion> i think it may depend in ./configure options of the data directory no?

19:57 <PovAddict> it depends on how the client was installed...

19:57 <surrealillusion> wow i can't type tonight

19:57 <surrealillusion> that's what i meant

19:58 <surrealillusion> the ./configure for the install

19:58 <surrealillusion> i really need sleep

19:58 <PovAddict> if using the official binaries, I can find the data directory easily: run `which boinc_cmd` and take the last path item out

19:58 <PovAddict> since the executables and the data dir are in the same place

19:58 <surrealillusion> i'm runnin the ak v8 binaries

19:59 <PovAddict> I mean official binaries as opposed to the distro package (which may scatter files all around the disk; binaries in /usr/bin, data in /var/lib/boinc-client, configuration in /etc/boinc)

19:59 <surrealillusion> ah

20:03 <xcamel> do I detect you beginning to see the light, POV?

20:04 <PovAddict> I'm not sure what you mean

20:04 <PovAddict> "seeing the light" = having the exact same opinions as you? ;)

20:04 <xcamel> boinc belongs entirely in it's own dir, running as it's own user...

20:04 <PovAddict> my need for finding the data dir is a hack by itself anyway...

20:05 <xcamel> the distro packages make boinc look like it was installed with a shotgun

20:06 <PovAddict> ...

20:06 <PovAddict> I just found something that makes me thing my machine got pwned

20:06 <surrealillusion> have you guys tried that vm software that Sun bought out?

20:06 <xcamel> bits happen.

20:09 <PovAddict> ughhhh

20:09 <PovAddict> ssh was configured to allow any user

20:09 <PovAddict> I shouldn't have let my mom set up an account on this machine... with username = password <.< *and* I should have configured ssh correctly

20:11 <PovAddict> yay, SEVEN PEOPLE LOGGED IN FROM THERE

20:11 * PovAddict shoots himself

20:12 <PovAddict> to whoever claims Linux is more secure than Windows:

20:13 <mwalling> a computer is only as secure as its admin

20:13 <PovAddict> I can be as much of an idiot in both, making the OS security irrelevant \o/

20:14 <surrealillusion> heh

20:14 <surrealillusion> all a part of learning

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20:45 <PovAddict> ok I think I'm done cleaning up the half dozen IRC servers my machine had... sigh

20:45 <PovAddict> hackers couldn't use a single of those; NAT router blocking ports

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21:27 <ziegenbot> hey

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21:34 <ziegenbot> I'm doing an HadCM3 Coupled Model on WinXP computer and it show's online 30% CPU Time and some Ram use... is that normal?

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21:45 <xcamel> pretty much, unless you crank it up a bit..

22:15 <ziegenbot> crank it up?

22:16 <PovAddict> ziegenbot: you mean task manager shows 30% CPU used?

22:16 <ziegenbot> yes, maybe it uses 100%, but how can i verify this?

22:18 <PovAddict> anything else using any CPU?

22:20 <ziegenbot> normal stuff TaskManager, IRC, uGuru... not much

22:21 <PovAddict> how much shows as being "used" by Idle Task?

22:21 <PovAddict> (that actually means how much isn't being used by anything)

22:21 <ziegenbot> 70% Leerlaufprozess

22:22 <PovAddict> hmm

22:22 <PovAddict> how much RAM do you have?

22:23 <ziegenbot> 2GB real, 1GB Swap, i set it to 66% use..

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22:24 <PovAddict> maybe the % of how much it will use doesn't do what you think it does...

22:25 <PovAddict> it means if the task needs more RAM than you allowed, it won't run at all

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22:44 <ziegenbot> PovAddict: thanks for your time

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23:10 <efc> moo

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23:30 <efc> Mmm, quad socket quad core, sign me up and send the electricity bill to Xcamel

23:32 <c0dewarrior> make that two

23:32 <c0dewarrior> and send my bill to efc

23:33 <MTughan> Then it gets forwarded to xcamel automatically...

23:34 <efc> Sweet of him to pick up the tab!

23:34 <efc> Romulus: Retrieve xcamel cc #

23:34 <Romulus> I don't know.

23:35 <efc> Temporary malfunction.

23:35 <c0dewarrior> not too sure it's temporary!

23:36 <c0dewarrior> isn't it ironic.... ramping up global warming with boinc by consuming fossil fuel electricity to predict global warming...

23:37 <c0dewarrior> should've called it Heisenberg-boinc

23:37 <efc> Heisenboinc

23:37 <c0dewarrior> <grin>

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23:51 <MTughan> WTF? On the new bill being told as the Canadian DMCA, one comment on digg.com: "I want to be able to do whatever I want with my maple syrup damnit!"

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