IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-06-19

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00:28 <Soul_keeper>

00:28 <Romulus> <> (at

00:28 <Soul_keeper> i guess billionaires got nothing better to do with their time/money

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01:16 <efc> remoo

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01:26 <efc> Hmm. I should have put a flame about the credit system in my message :)

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01:44 <efc> heh.. "One of the high-level managers there had been known to say that their strategy was to bring in the best and brightest technical minds they could and keep them 3-4 years until their skills had atrophied to the point that no one else would hire them."

01:47 <Soul_keeper> lol

01:54 <efc> Gaussian score of 8, nic

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02:01 <Soul_keeper> looks like the AK seti app took like 20min off my WU times

02:03 <efc> Whose is that?

02:04 <Soul_keeper>

02:05 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at

02:05 <efc> I think s@h's donation stuff is messed up

02:06 <efc> Well, they still take your money, they just seem to lose it

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02:12 <Soul_keeper> heh

02:12 <efc> hmm version 5.28, guess i need to do some upgrading around here

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02:19 <efc> Had been running KWSN-2.4-Windows32-SSE2-Intel-P4.7z, should upgrade to this V8 thing?

02:21 <Soul_keeper> not unless it has  sse3 or ssse3 support

02:22 <efc> they have one for sse2

02:22 <Soul_keeper> i think the "old releases" are all KWSN ones

02:22 <Soul_keeper> hmmm not too sure

02:23 <Soul_keeper> might be worth experimenting, i've only tryed on my c2d systems

02:38 <efc> how much better are the opt clients over stock now? Read somewhere that some of the improvements have been folded back in.

02:39 <Soul_keeper> probably upwards of 30% better

02:39 <Soul_keeper> havn't tryed the stock ones in a long time

02:49 <efc> wouldn't mind turning on graphics every once in a while

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03:36 <efc> "1,400 million transistors engraved at 65 m... It augurs heavy power consumption for the card."

03:36 <efc> I think Tom's is using babelfish to translate their articles now

03:36 <efc> augers ?!

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04:29 <CoderForLife> morning

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04:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.3F / 14.1C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. West winds around 5 mph... increasing to around 10 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Friday - (1 more message)

04:30 <CoderForLife> &more

04:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:38 <efc> moo

04:38 <efc> &weather 31088

04:39 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 61F / 16C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Light north winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 60. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Light and variable winds.; Fire Weather (1 more message)

04:39 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:46 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast and head-betters

04:53 <CoderForLife> b

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05:32 <CoderForLife> &seen KathrynM

05:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: KathrynM was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: * KathrynM is away: I may still exist in an alternate reality...

05:33 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:45 <xcamel> aye

06:24 <CoderForLife> plink,, and

06:24 <CoderForLife> out the door and on the rims - laterz

06:56 <hawmps> &weather 12020

06:56 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 53.3F / 11.8C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Patchy dense fog this morning. Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in (1 more message)

06:56 <hawmps> &more

06:56 <Romulus> hawmps: the morning...then becoming partly sunny. A chance of showers. A chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

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10:26 <mwalling> that is quite possibly the most annoying thing i have seen in a while

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11:25 <PovAdct_w> quail: ping

11:26 <quail> PovAdct_w: pong

11:27 <PovAdct_w> you had a machine reporting wrong cache size to BOINC?

11:27 <quail> yeah

11:28 <PovAdct_w> cat /proc/cpuinfo

11:28 <quail> this the machine >>>

11:28 <Romulus> <> (at

11:30 <quail> ok the cache shows 64KB there

11:30 <PovAdct_w> that's where BOINC gets it from

11:30 <quail> but it got 6MB L2 cache

11:31 <PovAdct_w> do you have /sys/devices/system/cpu/?

11:31 <quail> yes

11:32 <PovAdct_w> there should be one subdir per core; inside that, there is a 'cache' subdir

11:32 <PovAdct_w> on my machine, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cache/index0/size contains 64KB, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cache/index0/level contains 1, means 64KB L1

11:33 <quail> I don't have a cache dir

11:33 <PovAdct_w> what's inside /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/?

11:34 <quail> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/

11:34 <quail> total 0

11:34 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root    0 2008-06-19 11:16 cpufreq

11:34 <quail> -r-------- 1 root root 4.0K 2008-06-20 01:01 crash_notes

11:34 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    0 2008-06-20 01:01 thermal_throttle

11:34 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    0 2008-06-20 01:01 topology

11:34 <desti> what kernel do you have?

11:35 <PovAdct_w> 2.6.24-17-generic

11:35 <quail> 2.6.24-19

11:35 <PovAdct_w> uname -a: Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-17-generic #1 SMP Thu May 1 13:57:17 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux

11:36 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-19-generic |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8200  @ 2.66GHz 2664.000 MHz | Bogomips: 10682.53 | Mem: 3107/3959M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.79G Free: 174.34G | Procs: 129 | Uptime: 2 days 15 hrs 5 mins 46 secs | Load: 2.32 2.25 2.25  | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 214.02M Out: 33.03M

11:36 <quail> Sensors: HDD:

11:36 <PovAdct_w> I have cache, no thermal_throttle

11:39 <quail> I have cache dir on my laptop, but not on desktop :-/

11:40 <desti> selfmade kernel?

11:40 <PovAdct_w> same kernel on both?

11:40 <quail> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/

11:40 <quail> total 0

11:40 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root    0 2008-06-20 01:07 cache

11:40 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root    0 2008-06-16 17:58 cpufreq

11:40 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root    0 2008-06-20 01:07 cpuidle

11:40 <quail> -r-------- 1 root root 4.0K 2008-06-20 01:07 crash_notes

11:40 <quail> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    0 2008-06-20 01:07 topology

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11:41 <quail> laptop => Linux quails-laptop 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

11:41 <quail> debian lenny kernel

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15:52 <xcamel> 'lo

15:54 <xcamel> OSSEC v1.5.1 released

15:54 <xcamel>

15:54 <Romulus> Title: Downloads (at

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17:13 <CoderForLife> greetings

17:13 <yoyo[RKN]> re

17:13 <jackygrahamez> hi

17:13 * yoyo[RKN] was in a public viewing are

17:13 <yoyo[RKN]> a

17:15 <PovAddict> &math calc 10000000000 / 2692900661.461428

17:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3.71346783902

17:15 <CoderForLife> nearly pi

17:20 <jackygrahamez> &math pi/pi

17:20 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 1

17:20 <jackygrahamez> wow

17:20 <CoderForLife> Archimedes was right

17:21 <CoderForLife> Euclid was right

17:21 <jackygrahamez> what is infinity divided by infinity?

17:22 <jackygrahamez> &math help

17:22 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: 'help' is not a defined function.

17:22 <jackygrahamez> &math

17:22 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: (math calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.

17:24 <jackygrahamez> yoyo[RKN] Have you tried the new wrapper?

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> no, no time yet

17:25 <jackygrahamez> I know what you mean

17:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I made to many changes in my wrapper

17:25 * CoderForLife is becoming mentally unwrapped

17:25 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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17:26 * yoyo[RKN] wrapps CoderForLife

17:26 <CoderForLife> howdy Doug

17:26 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:26 <jackygrahamez> I tried it on $PROJECT_DIR/Python25/python.exe and it could not execute python. I think it would be better to use relative directory paths, I gave David examples that I know work

17:27 <CoderForLife> thx yoyo[RKN]

17:29 <PovAddict> I found a possibly much better way to do a Python BOINC app

17:30 <PovAddict> but it's quite a bit of work to make the framework, and I'm busy with other stuff...

17:30 * yoyo[RKN] would make a phy2exe

17:31 <jackygrahamez> I've done that, but there are reasons why I think it woule be better having this feature built into the wrapper

17:33 <jackygrahamez> I described it in these two scenarios where you have a bunch of python scripts or java classes that have dependencies with eachother and you may want to take advantage of any number of these in a given workunit

17:34 <jackygrahamez> I don't want to create a pyinstaller binary for every one of potentially 20 different python scripts

17:34 <PovAddict> my idea is not converting it to a .exe

17:34 <jackygrahamez> what is your idea?

17:34 <PovAddict> embedding the python interpreter in a BOINC application; no process-level wrapper needed

17:35 * yoyo[RKN] is too much beer to be able to think

17:35 <jackygrahamez> there is an idea, but like you said that is more work

17:35 <yoyo[RKN]> somebody from sztaki proposed it similar

17:36 <jackygrahamez> is there a potential vulenerablity in having this variable $PROJECT_DIR ?

17:36 <PovAddict> I don't think so

17:36 <PovAddict> but I keep seeing band-aids and sticky tape all over BOINC whenever there is a specific need

17:36 <jackygrahamez> I hear you

17:37 <jackygrahamez> I don't like asking for changes

17:37 <xcamel> join the crowd..

17:37 <xcamel> it's like asking somebody to reboot the universe

17:38 <PovAddict> xcamel: *sometimes* when somebody asks for changes, BOINC developers actually listen

17:38 <PovAddict> but those changes are implemented in such an ugly way...

17:38 * CoderForLife looks for the button

17:39 <jackygrahamez> It sometimes takes me 100 times to explain things before people understand my intention

17:39 <PovAddict> "Do The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work" taken to extremes, imho

17:40 <jackygrahamez> *will be back

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17:42 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : how can I disable resent of a wu

17:42 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: I posted about exactly that today in the lists

17:43 * yoyo[RKN] should read it ;)

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17:43 <PovAddict> omg I found an *excellent* description:

17:43 <PovAddict> "Remember that you can't make anything simple (or, more accurately, simplest) until you fully understand it; therefore, to truly DoTheSimplestThingThatCouldPossiblyWork, you need to know everything there is to know about the problem, which means BigResearchUpFront."

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17:43 <PovAddict> "However, what most people think or intend when they hear or say "DoTheSimplestThingThatCouldPossiblyWork" is: take the simplest approach you can think (right now!) for solving the immediate problem, paying no attention to how a simple solution to the immediate problem might affect the overall complexity of the surrounding context."

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17:43 * surrealillusion yawns

17:44 <surrealillusion> man it's gonna take 2weeks for the RAC on my linux server to climb

17:44 <surrealillusion> =

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18:01 <Soul_keeper> Gettum !!!

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18:31 <Soul_keeper>

18:31 <Soul_keeper> wow 800 stream processors

18:54 <Soul_keeper> hello people

18:55 <Soul_keeper> any of you played with BOINC on a RISC/ARM cpu ?

18:56 <Soul_keeper> qualcom is bring out a armv7 1GHz chip, promising 4x performance increase over the previous ARMs

19:03 <efc> moo

19:08 * xcamel yawns

19:14 <efc> Zzz

19:15 <Soul_keeper> Gettum xcamel !!!

19:17 <CoderForLife> moo efc

19:17 <CoderForLife> oom Soul_keeper

19:18 <efc> Got a reply to my post, it will require some thinking

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19:18 * CoderForLife waits to see if homeowner's association folks will make an appearance

19:19 <xcamel> gettum?

19:19 <efc> bury them under the wall you're building, its big enough

19:19 <xcamel> sounds like a plan...

19:19 <xcamel> bbiab..

19:19 <Soul_keeper> i heard there are signs the housing market is stabilizing in florida, one of the first/biggest hit states,  could be a good sign

19:20 <Soul_keeper> 2 large homebuilders sales are actually starting to go up there

19:20 <CoderForLife> so far, aside from being a little slow on the uptake, they've expressed total support

19:21 <MTughan> Wow... 1000W PSU is suddenly no longer enough... Two ATI Radeon 4850's in Crossfire draws too much power for 1000W...

19:22 <Soul_keeper> hmmmm

19:22 <Soul_keeper> i doubt it

19:22 <MTughan> Doubt that it draws too much power?

19:22 <CoderForLife> 8 inches of hail in Omaha NE Tueday night

19:23 <Soul_keeper> 227 watts a peice under load according to

19:23 <Romulus> <> (at

19:23 <Soul_keeper> only slightly more than a 3870

19:23 <MTughan> That's the page I'm looking at... But look at the paragraph just above "The Test".

19:24 <MTughan> "With two 4850s paired up in CrossFire, we once again ran into issues with our power supply. Our 1000W OCZ EliteXStream wasn't always enough for the dual-GPU setup and in Call of Duty 4 our system rebooted in the middle of our test at 2560 x 1600."

19:24 <Soul_keeper> ohhhh

19:24 <MTughan> And it's 335.7W under load, plus whatever the CPUs taking.

19:24 <Soul_keeper> well i wouldn't suggest buying an OCZ PSU anyways

19:25 <MTughan> OCZ sent them a PC Power & Cooling 1200W PSU that worked fine for it.

19:25 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's insane power drawl

19:26 <Soul_keeper> and to think the nvidia cards are pulling much more

19:26 <Soul_keeper> i guess we can thank competition for this

19:26 <MTughan> Well, the PCP&C unit is certified for GTX 280 SLI mode apparently...

19:26 <MTughan> Think how much power that beast draws...

19:26 <Soul_keeper> i won't even consider sli untill i can run seti on the GPU's with boinc

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19:27 * CoderForLife has a headache

19:27 <Soul_keeper> antec has always served me wel

19:27 <MTughan> Antec TruePower 550W here. Never had a problem.

19:28 <MTughan> Biggest problem in my comp is from the ATI Radeon card, but not because of Linux support. The fan rattles just a slight amount, enough to make it over all the case fans.

19:28 <Soul_keeper> RMA it  :)

19:28 <Soul_keeper> those cheap 50 cent taiwan fans can wear out

19:29 <efc> I've had to clean and oil my video card fan a few times, has kept it going pretty well

19:29 <Soul_keeper> oil just makes the problem worse

19:29 <MTughan> I'm replacing it with a 9600GT soon enough (hopefully), so it'll be my dad's problem then.

19:29 <Soul_keeper> it'll just attract dust

19:29 <MTughan> And it's not too bad. Just over the case fans.

19:29 <efc> Seemed to be ok. Too much play in the bearing I thnk.

19:29 <MTughan> Consider that there are 4 80mm case fans in this...

19:30 <MTughan> 3 stock fans, although they're turned way down. The upgraded one is up all the way, but still not over the ATI.

19:30 <Soul_keeper> i've taken appart a few dozen fans, some of these 40mm ones have a bearing and a brass bushing, they get noisey

19:30 <MTughan> Was thinking about just disconnecting the fan... Think I have enough air to run a 9600 passively?

19:31 <Soul_keeper> dual bearing designs  or the fluid dynamic ones are much better

19:31 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,  probably not with the default heatsink, maybe with an aftermarket one

19:31 <MTughan> Okay, I'm not going to spend money on this if I'm just going to replace it soon.

19:32 <MTughan> Besides, he's had more problems with ~40-50dBA PSUs. xD

19:32 <MTughan> Upgraded fan here, a Vantec Stealth, apparently has dual ball bearings.

19:32 <Soul_keeper> did you see the part about nvidia e-mailing the review cites like 20min before their NDA's were lifted on the AMD cards ?  lol

19:33 <MTughan> Heh... Yeah.

19:33 <PovAddict> where

19:34 <Soul_keeper> nvidia did a surprise product release at like midnight to counteract the 4850

19:34 <MTughan>

19:34 <Romulus> Title: AnandTech: ATI Radeon HD 4850 Preview: AMD Delivers Performance for the Masses (at

19:34 <MTughan> Page 3 specifically.

19:35 <Soul_keeper> i'm alright with nvidia going at intel's throat, but i dunno  i kinda wanna see amd/ati  win a few here

19:36 <efc> Don't want to go back to $500 for every decent CPU

19:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

19:36 <MTughan> $250 for a very overclockable Q6600 is perfect with me.

19:37 <MTughan> And why would Nvidia go after Intel's throat?

19:38 <MTughan> Hmm... Seems the stock case fans are double ball bearing too...

19:40 <Soul_keeper> MTughan nvidia's ceo said he was gonna "open up a can of whoop ass" on intel  the other week

19:40 <MTughan> Why?

19:41 <Soul_keeper> i guess he's a tough little asian dude

19:41 <MTughan> lol

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19:52 <efc> that ATI card looks pretty decent.. its almost tempting.. its hard to get over the stench of the drivers from the last one I had though

19:52 <Soul_keeper> new drivers released yesterday

19:53 <quail> morning all

19:57 <efc> moo Q

19:59 <xcamel> 'lo Q

20:00 <surrealillusion> i've got a nvidia 9600gt\

20:00 <surrealillusion> for $100 you can't go wrong

20:00 <surrealillusion> hell even the 9800gtx's are $200 now

20:00 <surrealillusion> due to the nvidia 280 coming out

20:01 <quail> xcamel: my E8200 with optimized ssse3 seti client is cranking the WUs out

20:01 <surrealillusion> i'm in the top 500 for seti right now

20:01 <surrealillusion> for RAC

20:01 <surrealillusion> give my linux server a few weeks to catch up

20:01 <surrealillusion> and it'll probably push 5k RAC as well

20:01 <surrealillusion> by then i'll have the cash for my 3rd q6600

20:01 <quail> xcamel: in ~24 hours this what it has done >>>

20:01 <Romulus> <> (at

20:02 <surrealillusion>

20:02 <Romulus> <> (at

20:02 <surrealillusion> that's mine since the 16th

20:04 * quail it still trying to workout why my cache is 64KB instead of 6MB

20:04 <surrealillusion> hmmm

20:04 <quail> and my /proc/cpuinfo shows it as 64KB too :-/

20:04 <surrealillusion> that's just odd

20:04 <surrealillusion> bios update?

20:05 <surrealillusion> doesn't cpuinfo just get the data from the mobo?

20:05 <quail> surrealillusion: my bios is the latest there is

20:05 <surrealillusion> strange

20:05 * quail thinks it might be a bug in the ubuntu kernel

20:06 <surrealillusion> if you weren't already crunching away i'd drop in another livecd

20:06 <surrealillusion> and see what it says

20:06 <quail> I am going to do that later today when I have finished the WUs I have

20:07 <PovAddict> it must be mixing up L1 and L2

20:07 <surrealillusion> how is integer speed measured for boinc?

20:08 <quail> I only got 25 WUs left to do

20:08 <surrealillusion> my linux box is showing a much higher integer speed compared to my windows box

20:08 <surrealillusion> and they are both q6600's

20:08 <quail> PovAddict: my l1 cache is 64KB and the l2 cache is 6MB

20:08 <efc> they run whetstone or something like that

20:08 <surrealillusion> weird

20:08 <PovAddict> I know quail, exactly my point...

20:09 <surrealillusion> cause my windows box shows 6479.55 million ops/sec

20:09 <PovAddict> must be reporting "cache" with L1 size

20:09 <quail> PovAddict: here the specs on my CPU >>>

20:09 <Romulus> <> (at

20:09 <PovAddict> surrealillusion: if you really really care :P

20:09 <Romulus> <> (at

20:09 <surrealillusion> while my linux box shows 12491.66 million ops/sec

20:10 <surrealillusion> hmmm

20:10 <PovAddict> it's highly sensitive to compiler optimization options...

20:10 <quail> surrealillusion: are you running optimized seti client?

20:10 <surrealillusion> ah well i guess a 64 bit kernel and the ak v8 client change some thigns

20:11 <PovAddict> are you using a custom BOINC core client?

20:11 <surrealillusion> quail: yup running the ak v8 on both q6600's that are clocked at 3ghz

20:11 <PovAddict> an optimized seti client won't affect anything about the benchmarks

20:11 <surrealillusion> PovAddict: more like a shotgun install via gentoo portage

20:11 <Soul_keeper> good work

20:11 <surrealillusion> with a bunch of make flags enabled

20:11 <PovAddict> ah gentoo might be optimizing it then

20:11 <surrealillusion> for processor optimization

20:12 <surrealillusion> mmm i want to build that pvr system

20:12 <quail> PovAddict: I am running red pill boinc client here

20:12 <surrealillusion> but i just saw my credit card bill for the month

20:12 <PovAddict> that's what's causing the inflated benchmarks then

20:12 <surrealillusion> this Asus P5E-VM HDMI board is just sitting there

20:12 <surrealillusion> asking to be overclocked

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20:51 <MTughan> surrealillusion: X38 chipset?

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21:20 <CoderForLife> gn

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21:48 <surrealillusion> i think its a P35 chipset

21:55 <xcamel> laterz

21:57 * surrealillusion yawns

21:57 <surrealillusion> thank god tomorrow is Friday

21:59 <surrealillusion> hmm what's everyone's pending credit at for Seti?

22:00 <PovAddict> 0.00

22:01 <PovAddict> ...because I haven't crunched SETI in a month or two XD

22:02 <surrealillusion> this download of ST: TNG is taking forever

22:02 <surrealillusion> i need to decomission my old server

22:02 <surrealillusion> so i can cannibalize the system

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22:02 <surrealillusion> to make way for an Antec Fusion

22:02 <surrealillusion> with the nice LCD display

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22:40 <quail> PovAddict: I have got my cache back :-)

22:40 <quail> cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep cache

22:41 <quail> cache size      : 6144 KB

22:41 <quail> cache_alignment : 64

22:41 <quail> cache size      : 6144 KB

22:41 <quail> cache_alignment : 64

22:44 <lsEee> good work

22:45 <lsEee> give it to me now

22:46 <quail> lsEee: well before my cache was only showing up as 64KB under linux and on boinc :-/

22:46 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-19-generic |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8200  @ 2.66GHz 1998.000 MHz | Bogomips: 10669.87 | Mem: 3476/3959M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.79G Free: 174.35G | Procs: 119 | Uptime: 7 mins 59 secs | Load: 2.04 1.40 0.64  | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) | eth0: In: 0.27M Out: 0.14M

22:46 <quail> Sensors: HDD:

22:46 <lsEee> was it a bios issue ?

22:46 <lsEee> kernel compiled for a pentium pro or i386  ?

22:47 <quail> yeah I think it was to do with the acpi 2 stuff

22:47 <quail> my kernel is 64bit

22:47 <lsEee> cool

22:47 <quail>

22:47 <Romulus> <> (at

22:49 * quail about to update boinc client to get it to show the correct info on that pc stats page

22:50 <quail> now that better :-)

22:51 * quail all happy now :-)

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23:24 <Soul_keeper>        memory anyone ?

23:24 <Romulus> <> (at

23:24 <Soul_keeper> could you use 128GB ?

23:29 <efc> Thats really not that much for the mb

23:30 <efc> oh, open box. I hope that doesn't mean "doesn't work"

23:32 <Soul_keeper> nah

23:33 <Soul_keeper> it just means someone returned it, they test them when they get them back apparently

23:33 <Soul_keeper> it uses the FBDIMMS tho, i heard those aren't good

23:33 <efc> Expensive, bit more latency

23:33 <efc> Pretty much everything with more than 4 slots uses it

23:34 <Soul_keeper> finding a high performance AMD setup is nearly impossible

23:34 <efc> Like quad opteron?

23:34 <Soul_keeper> you end up paying 500+ dollars for their quad core that can't even beat intel's 250 dollar offering which has 3x the cache

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23:35 <Soul_keeper> it's sad

23:35 <Soul_keeper> a dual socket setup with two of their "tri-core" cpu's might be pretty price/performance oriented

23:35 <efc> I am almost feeling like ordering something myself..

23:36 <Soul_keeper> i'm just curious i guess

23:37 * quail happy with my current desktop for now

23:37 <efc> this p4-2.8 is still good enough for everything, but I could be getting a lot more for the watts

23:37 <Soul_keeper>     that would be an awesome boinc cruncher tho

23:37 <Romulus> <> (at

23:44 <efc> heh, my video card driver is over 100 versions behind

23:47 <efc>

23:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

23:49 <Soul_keeper> not worth updating for a card that old

23:50 <Soul_keeper> the drivers have just gotten bloated from nvidia

23:50 <Soul_keeper> adding all the pcie, and different cards/features support for several generations now

23:50 <Soul_keeper> the unified driver is several times larger now

23:51 <efc> Yuck

23:51 <efc> They ought to break it off every couple of years

23:51 <Soul_keeper> when i had my geforce 4 ti4200  i would use the latest driver just before they added pcie support

23:51 <Soul_keeper> anything later is pointless

23:52 * efc wonders how far back this tool can go..

23:52 <Soul_keeper> unless you are a heavy gamer and need support for all the latest little features in each new game, but that's pointless with an old vid card anyways

23:53 <Soul_keeper>       hmmm quad core capable mini-itx board

23:53 <Romulus> <> (at

23:55 <Soul_keeper> likely no good tho

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