IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-06-20

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00:00 <efc> Zotac, its a name you trust

00:02 <Soul_keeper> lo

00:02 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:07 <Soul_keeper> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/05/via_isaiah/     via is pathetic, they were talking about Isaiah  4yrs ago saying it would be released 2yrs ago

00:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55jg2t> (at www.theregister.co.uk)

00:07 <Soul_keeper> Texas instruments or someone needs to get into the x86 market

00:10 <efc> I think they dumped the engineering people or something

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00:17 <Soul_keeper> you have to fill out all your personal information to recieve a quote on a 5GHz ibm power6 system

00:18 <efc> Name: Ivan Wakinov

00:20 <Soul_keeper> how much does an entry level IBM power6 system cost (ballpark figure) is all i want to know

00:22 <efc> blade system? workstation?

00:23 <Soul_keeper> The base Express 520 box (technically the 8203 machine in IBM's configurator) comes with one 4.2 GHz core, 2 GB of memory, and two 73.4 GB disks; it costs $5,576

00:24 <Soul_keeper> just a dual core setup price is all i want

00:24 <Soul_keeper> The two-core variant costs $11,765 with 4 GB of memory and two disks

00:25 <Soul_keeper> With four cores in the 520 Express plus 8 GB of memory and the two disks, the cost of the machine rises to $16,994.

00:26 <Soul_keeper> they say the 4.7GHz dual core performs roughly the same as a 2.xGHz c2d

00:35 <efc> if you get a decent vid card on a dell who makes it?

00:51 <efc> the dell 24" is on for $600, the 27" for $800 .. hmm

01:00 <Soul_keeper> http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug013108-story01.html

01:00 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5pn7np> (at www.itjungle.com)

01:02 <efc> If you want flops that bad, start writing VHDL for me :p

01:02 <Soul_keeper> how will that work ?

01:03 <efc> Feed the FPGA machine

01:03 <Soul_keeper> isn't that stuff for caluclators ?

01:03 <efc> Reconfigurable chips

01:03 <Soul_keeper> can you actually make something from that to run boinc ?

01:04 <efc> With a lot of work, yes, I have been looking at it for some time

01:04 <efc> Depends a lot on the app how suitable it is

01:04 <efc> Ideally the app would do an obscene amount of simple work

01:04 <Soul_keeper> can you outperform a core2 quad ?

01:06 <efc> Still working it out, the theoretical peak for one model (~$50) is about 11 gflops, but hard to keep it that busy. Might get half that.

01:06 <efc> So probably not, but they are or would be cheaper, and much less power

01:07 <efc> Its a lot of work though. seti@home is really complicated to do in hardware.

01:08 <Soul_keeper> ic

01:09 <efc> something like the old RC5 project would be excellent. Kick the chestnuts out of any CPU.

01:09 <efc> All integer, low memory bandwidth.

01:11 <efc> I think what you would do is have a hacked BOINC that thinks it has 100 cores

01:11 <efc> And a hacked science app that sends the work to the hardware and reads it back later

01:15 <Soul_keeper> i remember a few years back, someone was selling a giant motherboard with like 50 processors of some kind on it, it was being marketed as a brute force password/encryption cracker

01:15 <Soul_keeper> i wonder what kind of processors those were

01:16 <efc> EFF did something like that for a DES cracker

01:16 <efc> I think they used ASICs for it

01:16 <efc> FPGAs not good enough then

01:17 <efc> ASICs is better of course if you can afford it

01:17 <efc> like, the $50 FPGA i'm looking at has 1.5 million gate equiv, gets around 130 mhz in floating point

01:18 <efc> that nvidia chip has probably 750 million gate equiv @ 1 ghz or more

01:20 <efc> they have a lot better FPGAs but they get expensive, thousands apiece, negates the speed advantage

01:21 <efc> the high end ones have hundreds of multipliers, and a built in PowerPC core or two

01:22 <efc> a couple hundred k onboard ram (cache sort of)

01:23 <Soul_keeper> nice

01:25 <efc> xilinx has a dev board for sale, $1200, hmm, probably a good deal if I knew what I was doing

01:33 <efc> heck the powerPC cores alone sound decent

01:34 <efc> could easily port the app to that core, then (not as easily) slowly break out parts to the other part of the chip

01:41 <efc> yeah, $582 for a Virtex5, no joy

01:48 <efc> but 190 gflops

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02:11 <d00m1001> BOINC

02:11 <d00m1001> (goes the weasel)

02:11 <d00m1001> oh wait, that's Pop

02:11 <d00m1001> :( nvm...

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03:01 <Didactylos>     - WINSETUP: Suppress the reboot prompt and just reboot, since we

03:01 <Didactylos>         have already informed the user it is needed on the conformation

03:01 <Didactylos>         screen

03:01 <Didactylos> Worse Than Failure.

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04:11 <Immundus> hello

04:14 <Immundus> anybody running boinc on debian on a powerpc mac?

04:17 <Immundus> anybody here at all?

04:20 <desti> ZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

04:20 <Immundus> didnt mean to wake anybody

04:21 <CoderForLife> s'ok

04:21 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:21 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 62.4F / 16.9C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy early...then becoming mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. Light and variable winds...becoming west 5 to 10 mph late this morning and afternoon. Chance (1 more message)

04:22 <CoderForLife> &more

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

04:22 <desti> sollte aber gehen boinc on ppc

04:23 <Immundus> yes it should but it keeps saying its an unknown plattform if I try to connect

04:23 <Immundus> and if I use the anonymous plattform

04:23 <Immundus> I get computational errors almost instantly

04:23 <desti> what project?

04:23 <Romulus> I guess what project are we talking about, desti

04:24 <Immundus> seti

04:27 <desti> do you have all needed libs for the application?

04:27 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:27 <Immundus> installed it from the repository of debian they should supply them

04:28 <Immundus> enjoy CoderForLife

04:29 <desti> they have a seti app too or do you mean boinc framework?

04:29 <Immundus> the whole framework and the seti app

04:31 <Immundus> all installed

04:32 <desti> maybe you should try an third party app

04:32 <Immundus> problem is finding one

04:33 <desti> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DownloadOther

04:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6f8g6p> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

04:35 <Immundus> thanks

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04:45 <Immundus> got to go course is about to end

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05:26 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

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06:29 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - Friiiiiday

06:50 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:21 <paul_> haha

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07:21 <surrealillusion> yes indeed, its finally Friday!

07:21 <surrealillusion> whooo

07:56 <quail> evening all

07:56 <quail> surrealillusion: it friday night here

07:56 <quail> surrealillusion: I fixed my cache problem

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08:34 <chanueting> I would like to ask what "GUI RPC bind failed: 98" means

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08:54 <hawmps> &boincerr 98

08:54 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: I couldn't find 98 in boincerr.

08:55 <hawmps> hmmm...

08:55 <hawmps> dunno..

08:59 <chanueting> Do you use FC9?

09:00 <hawmps> 7/8

09:00 <hawmps> did you install selinux?

09:00 <chanueting> I would like to know how do you set up?

09:01 <chanueting> SELinux, isn't it a default feature?

09:01 <chanueting> Do you follow http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_on_Linux#Fedora_7_and_up?

09:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6jzkgp> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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09:17 <PovAdct_w> chanueting: GUIRPC bind failed usually means the client is already running and having the GUIRPC port open

09:17 <PovAdct_w> SELinux is of course another to consider

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09:21 <chanueting> How to solve it?

09:21 <PovAdct_w> hard to tell if we haven't figured out the real problem yet

09:21 <PovAdct_w> if the client is already running, just don't try to start it again :P

09:21 <chanueting> But shouldn't the GUI RPC port open

09:22 <chanueting> But shouldn't the GUI RPC port open?

09:22 <PovAdct_w> you can't run two clients at the same time

09:24 <PovAdct_w> error 98 is address already in use

09:24 <chanueting> I see, how about SELinux?

09:25 <PovAdct_w> first double-check if there is a boinc process running...

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09:25 <PovAdct_w> ...

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09:25 <hawmps> from a console scree just run 'killall boinc' and see what happens

09:26 <chanueting> with root?

09:26 <hawmps> yes

09:26 <hawmps> or sudo

09:26 <chanueting> boinc: no process killed

09:27 <hawmps> ok - it's all stopped them

09:27 <hawmps> last check... ps ax | grep boinc

09:28 <hawmps> are you running boinc from run_manger?

09:28 <chanueting> I have posted on  http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=47663 and all my jobs are suspended

09:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5fn5k8> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

09:29 <chanueting> run_manger?

09:29 <PovAdct_w> run "netstat -ltp" as root and see what program has *:31416 open

09:29 <hawmps> o mheavens - that post - just means seti was offline at the time...

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09:30 <hawmps> pr your dns was fraked at that time

09:30 <chanueting> But there is tcp        0      0 localhost.localdomain:xqosd *:*                         LISTEN      4487/boinc_client

09:30 <PovAdct_w> it couldn't connect to bam.boincstats.com either; so it's a DNS problem, not on SETI's side

09:30 <chanueting> I don't know what is happening, sigh

09:30 <hawmps> that would be my guess too.

09:30 <PovAdct_w> chanueting: then the client is already running, so don't try to start it again

09:31 <PovAdct_w> and you won't get any "GUI RPC bind failed: 98"

09:31 <chanueting> what is the main problem of that error message: Couldn't resolve host name?

09:32 <hawmps> bad dns.

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09:33 <chanueting> what bad dns?

09:33 <chanueting> I can get online

09:33 <PovAdct_w> boinc can't ;)

09:33 <chanueting> how to solve it?

09:34 <chanueting> Is it the reason of firewall?

09:34 <chanueting> I just follow the guide of http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_on_Linux#Fedora_7_and_up

09:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6jzkgp> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

09:34 <PovAdct_w> maybe; but I don't recall ever seeing firewalls on Linux doing that kind of stupid thing

09:35 <PovAdct_w> (blocking things per process)

09:35 <chanueting> what is the means of boinc cannot get online?

09:36 <chanueting> Isn't it use the global settings?

09:41 <chanueting> Could you please explain a little bit more?

09:42 <PovAdct_w> if I understood it...

09:42 <chanueting> or is there any solution?

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09:52 <chanueting> Should I reinstall BOINC?

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09:52 <PovAdct_w> won't change a thing

09:53 <PovAdct_w> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration <- enable http_debug in cc_config.xml, restart BOINC; will give more detailed messages about what's going on with the network communication

09:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55ypmz> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

09:54 <exco> hello

09:55 <chanueting> where the cc_config.xml is?

09:55 <exco> is it normal that there is a php error when opening ..._ops dir "fopen(../cache/remote.revision) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied..." or does it just mean I have my permissions wrong?

09:58 <quail> howdy PovAdct_w

09:58 <PovAdct_w> you have your permissions wrong, exco

09:59 <PovAdct_w> chanueting: unless fedora package has it as an extra... it doesn't exist, you have to make it

09:59 <chanueting> make for what?

09:59 <PovAdct_w> you have to create the file yourself

10:00 <PovAdct_w> not sure where you put it in fedora

10:00 <quail> PovAdct_w: I got my cache sorted out :-)

10:00 <PovAdct_w> quail: different kernel version?

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10:01 <chanueting> is there any command for searching in linux?

10:01 <quail> PovAdct_w: I resetted my bios, I think it had to do with I had acpi 2.0 support turned on

10:02 <quail> PovAdct_w: this how it looks now >>> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4443449

10:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/63dht8> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

10:02 <PovAdct_w> do you have the cache file in /sys now?

10:02 <quail> PovAdct_w: and now I have all the cache directories you were talking about

10:02 <PovAdct_w> cool

10:03 <quail> so it all sweet now

10:03 <quail> PovAdct_w: so it looks like I had something set wrong in my bios

10:03 <PovAdct_w> do you use bash?

10:04 <quail> yes

10:04 <PovAdct_w> for i in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cache/index*; do echo L$(cat $i/level) $(cat $i/type) $(cat $i/size); done

10:08 <exco> thanks, PovAdct_w, shouldn't owner and group be "boincadmin"?

10:09 <exco> well... there just is no file ../cache/remote.revision... that explains that

10:09 <PovAdct_w> it's trying to *create* one and failing

10:09 <chanueting> PovAdct_w: Does it mean that I have to type in  < http_debug>1</ http_debug>?

10:10 <exco> but if "boincadmin" is in apache group and owner of the folder "cache" schouldn't it be able to create said file, PovAdct_w

10:11 <PovAdct_w> chanueting: yes

10:11 <chanueting> Okay

10:11 <PovAdct_w> exco: what's the owner/group/permissions of the cache directory?

10:12 <PovAdct_w> chanueting: should be in /var/lib/boinc right?

10:12 <chanueting> yes

10:12 <chanueting> but how to restart?

10:13 <PovAdct_w> hmm like any other system service; I don't know about Fedora

10:13 <chanueting> I see

10:14 <quail> PovAdct_w: I can't get that to work properly

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10:15 <chanueting> PovAdct_w: restarted

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10:15 <PovAdct_w> click Update on the project, and watch messages tab

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10:16 <chanueting> Update on the project? you mean in the GUI?

10:16 <PovAdct_w> yes

10:16 <PovAdct_w> project tab

10:19 <chanueting> http://fpaste.org/paste/2900

10:19 <Romulus> Title: Fedora Pastebin - Viewing paste #2900 (at fpaste.org)

10:19 <PovAdct_w> seems to work now

10:19 <PovAdct_w> might have been just a temporary DNS problem

10:21 <chanueting> sigh, can I delete the cc_config now?

10:22 <PovAdct_w> yeah

10:22 <PovAdct_w> oh and actually you didn't need to restart

10:22 <PovAdct_w> in boinc manager, Advanced menu, Re-read configuration file

10:22 <chanueting> I had tried that

10:23 <chanueting> Though the PC is back online, there are many jobs are suspended, any ideas?

10:23 <exco> sorry for taking so long, PovAdct_w permission: drwxr-sr-x 2 boincadmin boincadmin 4096 2008-05-13 16:11 cache

10:24 <PovAdct_w> hmm should be g+w

10:24 <PovAdct_w> allow write permission for group

10:25 <PovAdct_w> actually wait...

10:25 <PovAdct_w> ah yeah I'm right... it should have 02770 permissions

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10:27 <exco> you're the man, PovAdct_w (shame on me)

10:28 <chanueting> PovAdct_w: Is it needed to stop boinc before delete cc_config

10:28 <PovAdct_w> no

10:28 <exco> PovAdct_w: should I apply 770 to the whole projects folder?

10:29 <PovAdct_w> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ServerIntro#permissions

10:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6hrm4w> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

10:32 <exco> thanks. Set my group wrong (boincadmin instead of boinc)

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10:32 <PovAdct_w> the group name doesn't really matter

10:33 <exco> well but apache belongs to boinc not boincadmin

10:33 <PovAdct_w> ah :P

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10:33 <PovAdct_w> doesn't matter what you call it, but call it the same everywhere :D

10:34 <PovAdct_w> what matters is your current permissions didn't allow group to write

10:34 <exco> I'm just trying to follow a tutorial (since I'm not that familiar with linux)

10:35 <chanueting> PovAdct_w: Have you seen this error before?

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11:01 <chanueting> Thanks, PovAdct_w

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11:15 <mwalling> ls

11:15 <mwalling> fail

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13:04 <Soul_keeper> good work

13:06 <PovAdct_w> grab the fire extinguisher, for I am about to click Send

13:07 <Soul_keeper> :_

13:07 <Soul_keeper> :)

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13:27 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [00:47:866] Queen - We Are The Champoins

13:45 <mwalling> *slap*

13:47 <Soul_keeper> http://www.magnetoolinc.com/electromagnets_lowprofile.htm          two of those 6" long electromagnets should be sufficient for a single hard drive

13:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5af4es> (at www.magnetoolinc.com)

13:47 <Soul_keeper> what do you think ?

13:47 <Romulus> It has been said that what do you think is a good monthly price to store 100 GBs on a file server without any bandwidth restrictions, Soul_keeper

13:49 <Soul_keeper> that's ok i hate you too ...

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13:52 <efc> moo

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14:54 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

14:54 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 87.1F / 30.6C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers and thunderstorms this evening. Lows in the mid 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

14:55 <jackygrahamez> &more

14:55 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: afternoon. Highs in the upper 80s. West winds around 5 mph... becoming south in the afternoon. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

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15:24 <wdsmia> re-hi

15:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

15:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 88.0F / 31.1C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of thunderstorms late in the morning...then scattered thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the lower 80s. Southwest wind near 5 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 30 percent.; Tonight - Partly (1 more message)

15:24 <wdsmia> &more

15:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy with a 30 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low in the lower 60s. West wind near 5 mph.; Saturday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on June 21, 2008;

15:25 <PovAddict> &dict abroad

15:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: abroad adj : in a foreign country; "markets abroad"; "overseas markets" [syn: {overseas}] adv 1: to or in a foreign country; "they had never travelled abroad" 2: far away from home or one's usual surroundings; "looking afield for new lands to conquer"- R.A.Hall [syn: {afield}] 3: in a place across an ocean [syn: {overseas}, {beyond the sea}, {over the (6 more messages)

15:25 <PovAddict> I had the spelling right then

15:27 <mwalling> &wx 12345

15:27 <Romulus> mwalling: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers with a chance of thunderstorms. The high in the lower 70s. West wind around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. (1 more message)

15:28 <mwalling> fail...

15:28 * mwalling ooks at the sunny sky

15:30 <jackygrahamez> &dict inculcate

15:30 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: inculcate v : teach and impress by frequent repetitions or admonitions; "inculcate values into the young generation" [syn: {instill}, {infuse}]; moby-thes: 20 Moby Thesaurus words for "inculcate": beat into, brainwash, catechize, condition, engrave, etch, grave, imbue, implant, impregnate, impress, imprint, indoctrinate, infix, infuse, inoculate, (2 more messages)

15:31 <jackygrahamez> &more

15:31 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: inscribe, instill, program, stamp; gcide: Inculcate \In*cul"cate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Inculcated}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Inculcating}.] [L. inculcatus, p. p. of inculcare to tread on; pref. in- in, on + calcare to tread, fr. calx the heel; perh. akin to E. heel. Cf. 2d {Calk}, {Heel}.] To teach and impress by frequent repetitions or admonitions; to urge on the mind; as, Christ inculcates on his (1 more message)

15:31 <jackygrahamez> &more

15:31 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: followers humility. [1913 Webster] The most obvious and necessary duties of life they have not yet had authority enough to enforce and inculcate upon men's minds. --S. Clarke. Syn: To instill; infuse; implant; engraft; impress. [1913 Webster]

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15:40 <jackygrahamez> Tank_master do you have fios?

15:41 <jackygrahamez> I'm begging to think I have to sell my soul for that

15:53 <xcamel> re-hi

15:59 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

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16:43 <surrealillusion> hmmm hopefully my RAC will stabilize over the next week now ... it's looking good so far

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16:51 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez - yes, I have fios

16:54 <CoderForLife> hello

16:55 <CoderForLife> I'm expecting the president of the homeowner's association in 1-1/2 hours

16:56 <jackygrahamez> any good?

16:57 <CoderForLife> any good what? news?

16:57 <Tank_Master> yep

16:57 <Tank_Master> nice ping times

16:57 <Tank_Master> itll be upgraded soo to

16:57 <Tank_Master> soon*

16:58 <Tank_Master> itll be something like 10mbps down /2mbps up

16:58 <jackygrahamez> Why I can't get fios in the US capitol escapes me

16:59 <jackygrahamez> We just had a power outage this morning

16:59 <jackygrahamez> Happened a few days earlier as well

16:59 <jackygrahamez> I think the grid is having some problems

17:00 <CoderForLife> grid gremlins

17:01 <CoderForLife> happens everytime it's sunny, or raining

17:07 <jackygrahamez> good thing BOINC is powered by positive attitude :-p

17:14 <Immundus> where can you buy that ;)

17:16 <Tank_Master> jack - who is your landline phone provider?

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17:20 <efc> moo

17:21 <Tank_Master> hi

17:21 <CoderForLife> moo

17:26 <Soul_keeper> scanning a 1500 page pdf for a specific word is a real pain .... with some work i finally found what i needed tho ...

17:27 <Soul_keeper> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota.trucks/browse_thread/thread/fb4090219d075dc0   can't beat a free factory service manual download even if it is in pdf

17:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5fl9ec> (at groups.google.com)

17:28 <efc> we have some group at work that scans thousands of pages of documents and OCRs them somehow

17:29 <CoderForLife> Acrobat support OCRing

17:29 <CoderForLife> +s

17:30 <CoderForLife> at least Acrobat Professional version 8 does

17:31 <efc> I assume they do something else besides that

17:31 <efc> they get the hot secretaries too

17:32 <Soul_keeper> :)  time to go pickup my new carb, they just called

17:32 <Soul_keeper> gonna change transmission/differential oil, and fuel filter too

17:32 <Soul_keeper> bbl

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17:35 <xcamel> ip kills >> 80.95.81.39, 144.131.145.199

17:35 <CoderForLife> ip kill thrills =)

17:36 <CoderForLife> done - plinked - thanks

17:37 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:39 <efc> &weather 30625

17:39 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 93F / 34C | Humidity: 21% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1015hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds shifting to the southeast after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Chance of showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

17:39 <efc> &more

17:39 <Romulus> efc: morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 90s. Light and variable winds shifting to the northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Lows in the upper 60s. Light and variable winds.;

17:39 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:39 <CoderForLife> pseudo-science run amok  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/cbs_pulls_unvetted_story_blami.html

17:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4lnvo5> (at www.americanthinker.com)

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17:46 <efc> haha

17:46 <efc> well, i don't think the bad reporting is unique to science stories..

17:49 <efc> heh, this monitor is "Certified for use with Windows Vista operating system" I wonder how you get that

17:50 <mwalling> pay 100k$ for a sticker?

17:51 <efc> I'm in the wrong business

17:53 <PovAddict> lol

17:54 <efc> I could sell "Certified for use with Linux" stickers

17:55 <efc> Today's special, only $90,000

18:06 <zombie67> malaria UTC is down

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18:12 <efc> Plot of my seti@home WU's on a skymap.. http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/skymap2.png

18:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6fjf3z> (at home.earthlink.net)

18:14 <PovAddict> what's the WUs?

18:14 <efc> teal, red, and yellow dots

18:14 <efc> green aren't done yet

18:14 <Immundus> hmm what?

18:14 <Immundus> done with what?

18:15 <efc> Processing, they are in the queue but not run

18:15 <efc> Thats only got my last 2 weeks or so of WUs :(

18:16 <Immundus> well ones on the pc that just wont compute so it will run out and the other is sharing time with firefox2 on a laptop

18:16 <Immundus> firefox is a ressource hog

18:16 <PovAddict> firefox3 uses less

18:17 <Immundus> yes havent got to upgrading Im lazy on compiling Im waiting for backports ;)

18:19 <Immundus> besides need the ressources for boinc ^^

18:23 <Immundus> is this a speed competition?

18:24 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam18/IMG_0304.JPG      looks like terminator2 :)

18:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/68v5fb> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

18:25 <Soul_keeper> hmmm cpu hit 75c

18:25 * Soul_keeper suspends boinc

18:26 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

18:26 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 99.7F / 37.6C | Humidity: 8% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 62 to 71. Light winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs 94 to 99 in the western valleys to 100 to 105 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

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18:28 <Soul_keeper> 75C = 167F

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18:30 <mwalling> Soul_keeper: were you the one who was going to get an eeepc a while back?

18:30 <Soul_keeper> mwalling, yeah i got one

18:31 <mwalling> get slack on it yet?

18:31 <mwalling> ;)

18:31 <Soul_keeper> yeah the first day

18:31 <Soul_keeper> hooked up with an ATT 3G HSDPA wireless broadband card too :)

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18:31 <mwalling> nice

18:32 <mwalling> i'm going to take whats sitting on my blog and put it on slackwiki... now i know where to find you for a second set of eyes :)

18:32 <Soul_keeper> i couldn't stand the default OS, it made it look/feel like a microwave or esspresso maker

18:32 <Soul_keeper> distro*

18:32 <mwalling> HAHA

18:32 <Soul_keeper> i installed slack from a 4GB usb flash drive

18:33 <mwalling> i used my ipod as an external hdd and used an sdcard for booting

18:34 <Soul_keeper> nice

18:34 <mwalling> you bump yours to 12.1 yet?

18:34 <Soul_keeper> yeah via just couldn't execute and get the nano to market, i can't wait for 2yrs for them

18:34 <Soul_keeper> no i'm content with 12.0

18:35 <Soul_keeper> 11.0  on my main desktop

18:35 <mwalling> ah

18:35 * mwalling caved and put hardy on his desktop

18:36 <Immundus> and you openly admit it?

18:36 <Soul_keeper> a friend of mine is trying to get me to try  sourcemage

18:36 <Soul_keeper> sorcerer looks fun too i suppose, i just don't wanna take the time to try new distros

18:37 <PovAddict> I wonder what happened to that guy who I challenged to port BOINC to the iPhone...

18:37 <mwalling> haha

18:38 <Immundus> isnt there already a boinc for arm?

18:38 <PovAddict> the processor is only the first part of the challenge...

18:39 <PovAddict> many apps are un-portable because the iPhone compiler doesn't properly support C++ exceptions

18:39 <PovAddict> many apps are un-portable because their build system sucks for cross-compilation

18:39 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:39 <PovAddict> or because they need libraries that are un-portable for whatever reason :)

18:40 <PovAddict> most apps are just *hard* to port, not impossible

18:40 <PovAddict> recently somebody ported gcc to the iPhone, so maybe that'll help

18:40 <Immundus> well there is a iphone linux project just give them time

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18:40 <PovAddict> no more cross-compiling: can run the compiler inside the iPhone itself, compiling natively

18:40 <mwalling> whats the cpu in the iphone?

18:41 <PovAddict> arm

18:41 <mwalling> they didnt just get an offtheshelf arm?

18:41 <mwalling> oh

18:41 <PovAddict> they did, the problem is the OS and the incomplete toolchains

18:41 <mwalling> ah

18:41 <Immundus> of course its not off the shelf knowing apple its probably audiophile ...

18:41 <mwalling> heh

18:42 <BB_Laptop> &wx 86023

18:42 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: Temperature: 89F / 31.7C | Humidity: 5% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 48 on the North Rim to around 73 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 78 on the North Rim to around 110 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. (1 more message)

18:42 <BB_Laptop> _more

18:42 <BB_Laptop> &more

18:42 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: Lows around 49 on the North Rim to around 74 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds around 15 mph in the evening becoming light.;

18:42 <PovAddict> Immundus: you'd be surprised of the audiophiles who said the iPod touch was crap playing music :P

18:42 <PovAddict> mwalling: Samsung S5L8900 (412 MHz ARM 1176 processor, PowerVR MBX 3D graphics co-processor)

18:42 * mwalling shakes his head

18:42 <mwalling> 3d graphics on a hand held

18:43 <PovAddict> mwalling: of course, it has full OpenGL-ES support

18:43 <mwalling> but *why*

18:43 <Immundus> well you want your icons animated and able to do funny stuff?

18:43 <PovAddict> and even without OpenGL, half the user interface effects would be impossible without hardware acceleration

18:44 <PovAddict> I'm compiling huge stuff, needing a 16-core...

18:44 <PovAddict> 2 cores ain't enough

18:45 <mwalling> distcc :)

18:45 <PovAddict> argh errors

18:45 <PovAddict> mwalling: that would involve having more than one computer running Linux

18:45 <mwalling> bah, dont *all* your machines run linux?

18:45 * mwalling ducks

18:46 <PovAddict> there's three computers in the house, all running different systems

18:46 <mwalling> osx, linux, win32?

18:46 <PovAddict> yep

18:46 <PovAddict> Linux here, Windows on the computer my sister uses for... MSN and web browsing, OS X on my dad's work laptop

18:46 <Immundus> well dist cc should work for osx

18:47 <Immundus> and for windows you can get it to run there too

18:48 <Soul_keeper> lol a noob just told me to e-mail him at   user@darkstar    to  "see if my mail reader works"

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18:49 <mwalling> Soul_keeper: still in ##slackware?

18:49 <Soul_keeper> yeah

18:49 <mwalling> ouch

18:49 <mwalling> sorry :P

18:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

18:49 * mwalling 's glad phrag permabanned him

18:49 <Soul_keeper> i work all the time, so i don't have time to dodge people's ego's

18:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm a patriarch of the community :)

18:52 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

18:52 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 102.0F / 38.9C | Humidity: 24% | Pressure: 29.26in / 990.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8.7mph / 14.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 62 to 71. Light winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs 94 to 99 in the western valleys to 100 to 105 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night (1 more message)

18:52 <Soul_keeper> lol

18:52 <mwalling> &weather 12345

18:52 <Soul_keeper> went up 3F

18:52 <Romulus> mwalling: Temperature: 70.2F / 21.2C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4.2mph / 6.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms this evening. Lows in the mid 50s. West winds around 5 mph this evening... becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday - Patchy fog in the morning. (1 more message)

18:52 <mwalling> thats a little better then before

18:52 <Immundus> a little weather obsession in this channel?

18:52 <mwalling> before it said mostly cloudy and i had to put my blinds down

18:53 <mwalling> Immundus: my personal weather station > Romulus

18:53 <Soul_keeper> Immundus, yes the weather can disrupt our highly overclocked boinc farms :)

18:53 <Immundus> hmm get a climated room

18:55 <efc> that floats

18:55 <Soul_keeper> it's not in the budget

18:55 <mwalling> heh

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18:56 * mwalling has his machines in an old VAX room, where even though we dont have the VAX anymore, we still maintain the cooling

18:56 <Immundus> now boinc for a vax that would be something

18:57 <mwalling> heh

18:58 * mwalling has his office in the old printroom... 3/4ths the cooling, but it has (asbestos) soundproofing, so i can have music on at quite a high volume

18:58 <Immundus> asbestos ... better not nail any pictures to the wall

18:59 <mwalling> hehe

18:59 <mwalling> the walls are a foamyish substance... velcro works great

19:00 <mwalling> (supposedly the fabric on the ouside (resembles cubical wall) is asbestos free)

19:01 <Rookie_69> Asbestos-free... Does that mean the asbestos passes freely through it?

19:01 <mwalling> hehe

19:01 <mwalling> prolly

19:01 <Immundus> the asbestos comes free of charge

19:01 <mwalling> knowing $employer

19:01 <Soul_keeper> iphones cause more damage than asbestos or smoking i hear

19:02 <mwalling> driving related?

19:02 <mwalling> hehe

19:02 <Rookie_69> Cell phones too by the way users drive...

19:02 <Soul_keeper> brain tumors apparently

19:02 <Immundus> only if you get caught in the shop on release day

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19:03 <Soul_keeper> they say most brain tumors form right where the cell phones sit by your ear

19:03 <Immundus> not long enough on the market to back a statement like that

19:03 <Soul_keeper> they just can't "prove" it yet

19:03 <PovAddict> I got d/c'd <.<

19:03 * mwalling uses a headset

19:03 <mwalling> 19:02 [*] PovAddict [n=nicolas@200.127.223.79] has quit [Remote closed the connection]

19:03 <PovAddict> bluetooth is radio signals too

19:04 <mwalling> lower wattage

19:04 * Rookie_69 usually just looks to see who tried to call him.

19:04 <PovAddict> 1mW lowest range

19:04 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

19:04 <Rookie_69> Hiya, Jay.

19:05 <Immundus> well the xrays coming out of old tv sets was probably much worse ...

19:05 <Soul_keeper> maybe it's our brains trying to "mutate" to directly detect radio waves, like a 6th sense  lol, cancer is basically mutations

19:06 <Rookie_69> X-rays from TV? Maybe that's why I don't have any kids.

19:06 <Soul_keeper> i heard they used to have xrays in shoe stores to make sure you got a "perfect" fit  apparently those only lasted a few years

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19:07 <Soul_keeper> i guess it was a publically traded company and people actually invested in it

19:07 <BadBarbarian> http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2008/06/gpu_power

19:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6gegcc> (at www.wired.com)

19:08 <BadBarbarian> hi all

19:08 <Rookie_69> Hi, BB.

19:08 <Immundus> hi BadBarbarian

19:09 <Immundus> I wonder how good their memory interconnects are over sli

19:09 <BadBarbarian> thats a great story

19:09 <Soul_keeper> nice

19:12 <BadBarbarian> unix was the first os to use perell prossesing  with the Nqube back in the 80's

19:19 <Immundus> well night all

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19:31 * Rookie_69 thinks wdsmia might still be under water.

19:32 <xcamel> that would be funny if it wasn't so sad...

19:32 <Rookie_69> His network keeps dropping out for some strange reason.

19:32 <xcamel> FYI - so far more people, and more damage than Katrina, yet no lootong, shooting, or whining...

19:33 <PovAddict> what had more damage than katrina?

19:34 <Rookie_69> The Mississouri River.

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19:36 <wdsmia> that lake  Mississouri

19:36 <xcamel> the current floods in the upper midwest

19:37 <xcamel> lake Dakoiowa..

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19:50 <xcamel> SciFiFriday!

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19:58 <xcamel> laterz...

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19:58 <Rookie_69> K.

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20:04 <xcamel> oh crap..

20:05 <xcamel> charlie jade gone already

20:05 <xcamel> repeat who

20:05 <xcamel> last week must have been the last BSG - and the ending sucked.

20:10 <efc> I dunno, you didn't expect them to run into star trek..

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20:13 <CoderForLife> back

20:13 <wdsmia> front

20:13 <Rookie_69> Don who?

20:13 <CoderForLife> HOA president and the other guy who came before have left

20:14 <CoderForLife> according to the report on LHC - we won't all die  http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1158097.aspx

20:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5be3fs> (at cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com)

20:16 <wdsmia> LHC has found the secret to eternal life?

20:17 <CoderForLife> yes, take two microscopic black holes and call me in the morning

20:18 <wdsmia> they give me interstellar gas

20:20 <Rookie_69> You sure that's not the burritos... oops he's gone again.

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20:21 <CoderForLife> and that was just one black hole

20:23 <Rookie_69> Even if it does screw up... It'll "probably" only take out Switzerland and France...

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20:29 <CoderForLife> why would it stop with that, Rookie_69?

20:29 <Rookie_69> Just optimistic, I guess.

20:29 <CoderForLife> probably open up the core, releasing a magma jet that will propel us into the sun

20:30 <CoderForLife> before the black hole can consume us

20:30 <CoderForLife> but then it can go to work on the sun

20:31 <Rookie_69> As the old guy in the hold of the Exxon Valdez in Waterworld said, Oh, thank God!

20:46 <CoderForLife> I'm exhausted after my visit from those guys - gn all

20:47 <Rookie_69> NN, Don.

20:50 <Rookie_69> You know you're getting old when that new junk you hate listening to starts playing on your favorite oldies radio station...

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20:50 <Rookie_69> You know you're getting old when that new junk you hate listening to starts playing on your favorite oldies radio station...

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20:52 <Rookie_69> You know your're getting old when you repeat yourself.

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21:06 <Rookie_69> You know your're getting old when you repeat yourself.

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21:18 <Rookie_69> No matter... I think it must be bedtime.

21:19 <Rookie_69> NN, BOINCworld.

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21:36 <Soul_keeper> carb installed and functional :)

21:36 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

21:36 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 97.3F / 36.3C | Humidity: 19% | Pressure: 29.26in / 990.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 62 to 71. Light winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs 94 to 99 in the western valleys to 100 to 105 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - (1 more message)

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22:48 <wdsmia> &ping

22:48 <Romulus> pong

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23:25 <Soul_keeper> no idle speed adjustment screw, 2 extra unnessesary vacumm ports, and an uneeded secondary idle advance

23:25 <Soul_keeper> whoever rebuilt this carb didn't know much about my toyota

23:25 <Soul_keeper> like it was made for a different year or something

23:40 <efc> They took that stuff out?

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