IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-06-23

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00:38 <efc> Moo

00:40 <quail> moo

01:32 <BiteAbleKat> george carlin died

01:32 <BiteAbleKat>

01:32 <Romulus> <> (at

01:34 <Soul_keeper> bla

01:35 <efc> :(

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01:57 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

01:57 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 57F / 13.9C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 50 on the North Rim to around 69 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 79 on the North Rim to around 106 along the Colorado (1 more message)

01:58 <BadBarbarian> &more

01:58 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows around 48 on the North Rim to around 69 along the Colorado River. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph early in the evening becoming light.;

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02:27 <efc> 106 ?!

02:28 <efc> &weather 31088

02:28 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 70F / 21C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 60s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny in the morning...then partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and (1 more message)

02:28 <efc> &more

02:28 <Romulus> efc: thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 90. West winds up to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds.;

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04:49 <CoderForLife> MTughan: check out, the 2007 Security ad

04:56 <quail> since the 18 Jun 2008 22:02:26 UTC I have earnt 9,775 Total Credits for SETI@home WU's I have done on my E8200 CPU :-)

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04:58 <CoderForLife> I bet E.T. is scared - you're gunning for him, quail

04:58 <CoderForLife> plink

04:58 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 56.1F / 13.4C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.57in / 1001.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs around 80. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 (1 more message)

04:58 <quail> CoderForLife: ssh! I am ET

04:59 <CoderForLife> really?!  say hi the Elvis for me!

04:59 <CoderForLife> to* Elvis

05:00 <quail> your welcome

05:00 <CoderForLife> &more

05:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. West winds around 5 mph.;

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05:00 <quail> &wx ypad

05:00 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.44in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM CST; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Clear. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

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05:05 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:08 * KathrynM pops her head into #boinc to see what's up

05:14 <CoderForLife> back

05:14 <exco> hello

05:14 <CoderForLife> hello head-popper

05:14 <CoderForLife> er hello exco too

05:15 <CoderForLife> wattup KathrynM

05:15 <exco> can you tell me what I'm doing wrong if I get "uppercase is not available for your type of computer"

05:16 <CoderForLife> er um - in what context?  what are you doing?

05:16 <exco> I'm trying to get the upperCASE sample to work

05:16 <CoderForLife> what uppercase sample?

05:17 <exco> there's a sample app called uppercase

05:17 * KathrynM looks at the pile of papers that need cut out to make mobiles tomorrow

05:18 * KathrynM decided to hang out in #boinc for a while

05:18 <CoderForLife> a boinc sample app?

05:18 <exco> yes

05:18 <KathrynM> that comes with the server exco?

05:19 <exco> if you add --test_app when running make_project

05:19 <exco> yes

05:19 <KathrynM> I assume that only builds the Linux version, no?

05:19 <exco> I think so

05:19 <KathrynM> So you'll need a win and mac machine to complile for those platforms

05:20 <exco> ?

05:20 <KathrynM> VS for Windows and whatever Mac uses (xcode maybe)

05:20 <exco> atm I've a linux and a win machine connected

05:20 <KathrynM> but have you compiled the app for Windows?

05:20 <CoderForLife>

05:20 <Romulus> <> (at

05:20 <exco> so the linux machine should be able to run the test app

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05:21 <KathrynM> right

05:21 <KathrynM> which is teling you no platform

05:21 <KathrynM> or whatever the message is

05:21 <exco> both machines win/linux

05:21 <CoderForLife> oops - I meant

05:21 <Romulus> <> (at

05:22 <CoderForLife> double oops

05:22 <Romulus> <> (at

05:22 <CoderForLife> maybe a new problem

05:22 <KathrynM> which OS can't get work?

05:22 <exco> linux and windows

05:23 <exco> I understand the error on the win machine (expected behaviour) but not on the linux one

05:23 <KathrynM> I'm sorry, I don't know much about the backend.

05:23 <KathrynM> What I do know wouldn't fill a thimble.

05:23 <exco> thanks for trying

05:24 * CoderForLife shrugs his shoulders

05:25 <CoderForLife> It's Shopping Day

05:27 <KathrynM> have a nice trip

05:28 <CoderForLife> thanks - it's about an hour drive to the stores

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05:33 <clusty> KathrynM, hey kathy

05:33 <clusty> KathrynM, how's scrable?

05:33 <clusty> :D

05:34 <KathrynM> hey clusty

05:34 <KathrynM> we need to start a new game

05:34 <clusty> we sure do

05:34 <KathrynM> :)

05:36 <clusty> how's the depressing coming along?

05:36 <clusty> :D

05:37 <KathrynM> OK

05:40 <clusty> still happy boincing?

05:41 <clusty> whats the latest fasion for projects?

05:41 <clusty> LHC still up?

05:41 <KathrynM> I'm only doing ABC and Einstein

05:41 <KathrynM> Not really in the mood to deal with baby sitting crazy new work units

05:41 <CoderForLife> that's quite a span - ABC's on one end - Einstein on the other

05:42 <clusty> i like the LHC pretty pix

05:42 <clusty> :D

05:42 <KathrynM> pretty pics

05:43 <clusty> really shame they have no linux screensaver

05:43 <KathrynM> very sad

05:45 <clusty> any more projects with cool pictures?

05:45 <clusty> rosetta?

05:45 <Romulus> It has been said that rosetta are more interested in *how* proteins fold, clusty

05:45 <KathrynM> Personally I like Einstein's

05:48 <clusty> rosetta are a bit abstract

05:48 <clusty> einstein is the pulsar one?

05:48 <clusty> some astro peoject

05:48 <KathrynM> gravity waves

05:49 <clusty> i liked climateprediction more

05:49 <clusty> but it gives insanely long jobs

05:49 <KathrynM> they have pretty graphics

05:49 <clusty> no way in hell I am fireing up a 3 month job

05:50 <clusty> too unfullfilling

05:50 <clusty> :D

05:50 <CoderForLife> just think how relieved you'll be when it's done =)

05:50 <KathrynM> it's a high when they finish

05:54 <clusty> how is the malaria thing?

05:54 <clusty> any preety?

05:55 <KathrynM> it's ok.

05:58 <CoderForLife> I just got an e-mail offering to help me get a career in teaching

05:58 <KathrynM> come join the madness

06:01 <CoderForLife> gtet an ulcer in Ulsan?

06:01 <CoderForLife> get*

06:02 <KathrynM> something like that

06:07 <clusty> CoderForLife, for that you need to first get one of those online PhD's in teaching :D

06:09 <CoderForLife> right - I'm about to finish my requirements for the degree in brain surgery - just got to send in one more payment

06:09 <clusty> :D

06:09 <clusty> are there any suckers that actually fall for this?

06:10 <CoderForLife> "There's a sucker born every minute" i-  P.T. Barnum (1810 \endash  1891)

06:10 <clusty> most outrageous thing I heard of is some preacher selling holly tap water

06:11 <clusty> and if you drink that god will solve your credit card issues

06:11 <clusty> :D

06:11 <CoderForLife> I'm feeling thirsty - brb

06:25 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for shopping - bbl

06:27 <KathrynM> see ya CoderForLife

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06:55 <MTughan> Well, he can see my response when I get back: Thanks, but I've got to check it out later.

06:58 <desti>

06:58 <Romulus> <> (at

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07:23 <clusty> KathrynM, so we playing scrabble?

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07:26 <hawmps> 'lo

07:27 <hawmps> bouncy-bouncy...

07:28 <clusty> netsplit so not many ppl around

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08:33 <leifdk1978> hey guys me again is burp running

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09:01 <leifdk1978> hey guys have q

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09:17 <leifdk1978> hey any one using burp boinc

09:22 <KathrynM> not I, sorry

09:23 <leifdk1978> naa burp never sends any work so i just roseta

09:24 <KathrynM> Check their forums.  They don't always have work and sometimes it's memory intensive so it's limited to hosts with a gig or more of RAM.

09:25 <leifdk1978> have not gotten any work from em in 3 days

09:25 <leifdk1978> and i got 4 gb of ram

09:27 <KathrynM> &nn

09:27 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

09:27 <KathrynM> off to the land of nod

09:47 <leifdk1978> :)

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10:02 <hawmps> winkin blinkin & nod

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10:32 <leifdk1978> any one running burp

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13:17 <hawmps> sheesh...

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14:29 <e-30> hey

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14:43 <yoyo[RKN]> re

14:44 <e-30> hey yoyo

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14:46 <Romulus> WB, Boss

14:46 <hawmps> damn roadrunner...

14:46 <e-30> what the hell

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14:55 <leifdk1978> any one running burp

14:55 <hawmps> >>**BELCH**<<

14:55 <hawmps> nope...

14:56 <leifdk1978> ok

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15:10 <hawmps> I think a couple people run it now and then though...

15:11 <leifdk1978> yeah i got it to work now

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15:31 <CoderForLife> re-hi

15:32 <CoderForLife> back from shopping trip with carbon-based wife form (TM)

15:44 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

15:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 83.4F / 28.6C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with isolated showers and thunderstorms early this evening...then mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower (1 more message)

15:44 <CoderForLife> &more

15:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 80s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. South winds around 5 mph.;

15:47 <BadBarbarian> "lo

15:47 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

15:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 86F / 30.0C | Humidity: 13% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 8.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 79 on the North Rim to around 106 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 48 on the North Rim to around 69 along the Colorado (1 more message)

15:48 <BadBarbarian> *more

15:48 <BadBarbarian> &more

15:48 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: River. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 78 on the North Rim to around 104 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the afternoon.;

15:51 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian

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15:56 <xcamel> re-hi

15:59 <CoderForLife> hi xcamel

15:59 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

16:00 <xcamel> keeping an eye on the sky today...

16:01 <CoderForLife> our issues are moving out - my issues always seem to become yours

16:01 <CoderForLife> then you cook up some special ones for yourself

16:02 <xcamel> some idiot reported seeing a tornado yesterday - got everybody all excited for nothing...

16:03 <CoderForLife> tornados, UFOs - what's the difference?

16:03 <xcamel> both are trailer magnets...

16:03 <xcamel> :-/

16:07 <CoderForLife> saw some suspicious looking clouds up north of the outlet mall (I-71 and US 35), but they were moving away

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16:15 <CoderForLife> I believe they were flying in formation =)

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16:46 <xcamel> been there, seen that....

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16:51 <CoderForLife> bbl

16:54 <PovAddict> I question the opensourceness and freedom of Code that can only be built using a $1200 proprietary tool

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17:50 <xcamel> pov?

17:50 <Romulus> It has been said that pov is usually not got for very long, xcamel

17:50 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: 2008-06-23: BAM! - Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised

17:50 <xcamel> was that you who hacked BAM?

17:51 <PovAddict> no, I just got an email saying my account got compromised too

17:51 <xcamel> ok..

17:51 <PovAddict> working on password change right now

17:51 <xcamel> I don't use it, so...

17:51 <PovAddict> isn't your BAM password the same as in all BOINC projects?

17:52 <xcamel> not if you're smart...

17:52 <PovAddict> mine is, because that's the only way to make BAM work

17:52 <CoderForLife> back

17:52 <CoderForLife> what tool PovAddict?

17:52 <xcamel> one of the many reasons I don't use it anymore

17:52 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: InstallShield

17:53 <CoderForLife> ah

17:53 <xcamel> I wish I could find someone who could build a driver for winrad that supports my radio...

17:54 * CoderForLife sees that UPS has re-re-rescheduled his package delivery

18:03 <xcamel> the specs for the driver <ocx?> are on his website - but I'm clueless, and don't have the tools...

18:03 <xcamel> might be a dll or too also..

18:05 <PovAddict> Didactylos: where on earth do I change my password on WCG website?

18:05 <CoderForLife> I guess I should change all my passwords too, huh?

18:06 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: check your email

18:06 <PovAddict> if you got a message from BOINCStats saying your account was compromised... then yes you should

18:07 <CoderForLife> Not the one on satisfy my girlfriend?

18:08 <PovAddict> o_o

18:08 <PovAddict> I used WCG "forgot my password" link, hoping it would let me change it that way

18:08 <PovAddict> instead, it sent me my current password by email

18:08 <PovAddict> = they store it in plaintext

18:09 <CoderForLife> nice, helpful

18:09 <CoderForLife> that wouldn't satisfy me or my girlfriend

18:10 <PovAddict> finally found where the password change is

18:10 <PovAddict> "password may not be longer than 15 characters" yay security

18:11 <PovAddict> and can't have "special characters"

18:11 *** paul_ is now known as surrealillusion

18:12 <surrealillusion> gotta get all the drivers installed on my gaming rig so i can get back to crunching on it

18:14 <CoderForLife> I don't see a boincstats e-mail

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18:17 <CoderForLife> has security conveniently protected me?

18:17 <benje> hi

18:18 <PovAddict> a "limited number of accounts" were affected

18:18 <benje> how do you do CoderForLife returned from the road ?:)

18:18 <CoderForLife> bonsoir benje =)

18:18 <CoderForLife> I am doing OK, et vous?

18:18 <benje> welly welly

18:18 <CoderForLife> tres bon

18:19 <CoderForLife> what are you doing these days?

18:19 <benje> ho so many things :p

18:19 <CoderForLife> still writing?  ecrive le livre?

18:20 * CoderForLife is very rusty on his francais

18:20 <benje> trying openbsd this last week and doiong some roadies for musician friends

18:20 <benje> CoderForLife, not at this time

18:20 <CoderForLife> but sounds like you are busy =)

18:20 <benje> little

18:21 <benje> i have so many thing to do

18:21 <CoderForLife> more than un peu

18:21 <benje> oui :) and i foget the reading of the tanenbaum book about os

18:21 <CoderForLife> Tanenbaum?  Yes, a good book - I have that

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18:22 <benje> i cut the discution no ? about security affect

18:23 * wdsmia hates his ISP

18:23 <CoderForLife> your ISP hates you, wdsmia

18:23 <CoderForLife> Security Is Rarely Convenient, benje

18:24 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: did you trademark that yet?

18:24 <CoderForLife> Yes

18:24 <CoderForLife> working on circle-R now (R)

18:24 <PovAddict> ®

18:25 <CoderForLife> thx

18:25 <CoderForLife>

18:25 <PovAddict> ←↓↑→

18:25 <CoderForLife> (four blocks)

18:26 <PovAddict> you're unicode-impaired

18:26 <PovAddict> or your IRC client is

18:26 <CoderForLife> Je dit UNICODE

18:27 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

18:27 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 87.1F / 30.6C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming mostly cloudy. Areas of dense fog after midnight. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times after midnight. Lows 54 to 61. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming (1 more message)

18:28 <CoderForLife> looks like my homeowner's association wants to buy this property from the current owner -

18:28 <Romulus> <> (at

18:28 <PovAddict> &currency convert 599900 USD ARS

18:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: 599900.00 usd = 1812897.80 ars

18:28 * PovAddict looks at his pockets

18:29 <CoderForLife> Doesn't look in disrepair - they are talijg about putting in a new "commons facility" with new pool, tennis courts, meeting place, etc

18:29 * PovAddict finds 20¢

18:29 <CoderForLife> Ooo  the cents sign

18:29 <PovAddict> altgr + c

18:29 <PovAddict> I have lots of symbols in altgr and shift+altgr

18:30 <PovAddict> ®&©

18:30 * CoderForLife looks on his keybpard in vain for "altgr"

18:30 <PovAddict> right alt?

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18:30 <PovAddict> alt to the right of the spacebar

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18:30 <CoderForLife> wdsmia hates his ISP

18:31 <wdsmia> you can say that again

18:31 * CoderForLife presses altgr+c

18:31 <CoderForLife> >beep<

18:32 <CoderForLife> >beep<>beep<>beep<

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18:37 <benje> &currency convert 599900 USD EURO

18:37 <Romulus> benje: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

18:37 <benje> &currency convert 599900 USD €

18:37 <Romulus> benje: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.

18:37 <benje> arf :p

18:37 <CoderForLife> Stephen's home - bbiab

18:37 <PovAddict> three-letter symbol

18:37 <PovAddict> &currency convert 599900 USD EUR

18:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: 599900.00 usd = 386575.56 eur

18:37 <benje> Romulus, how do you call euro ?

18:37 <Romulus> Dunno, benje.

18:37 <benje> thank PovAddict

18:38 <Soul_keeper> bla

18:43 <xcamel> blah bla

18:44 <benje> what else Soul_keeper xcamel ? :p

18:44 <benje> thyis is a very constructive discution*

18:46 <Soul_keeper> the coffee makes me tired

18:47 <Soul_keeper> it has the reverse effect

18:47 <Soul_keeper> 1 quart down every 10min

18:47 <Soul_keeper> i hate my job

18:47 <Soul_keeper> i hate my life

18:47 <Soul_keeper> any of you served in the marines ?

18:48 <benje> Soul_keeper, i will never

18:49 <Soul_keeper> i need to get in, but it'll require a felony waiver

18:49 <benje> Soul_keeper, i hate military not the human

18:49 <Soul_keeper> they apparently only issue a few hundred a year

18:49 <Soul_keeper> bla

18:50 <benje> i couldn't not obey to people which doesn't care about each other

18:50 <benje> take

18:50 <Soul_keeper> was george carlin your hero ?

18:50 <benje> ( the governement)

18:50 <benje> i don't know who is it but i will see

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18:51 <Soul_keeper> he was a liberal comedian that died yesterday

18:52 <benje> no this is not my hero

18:53 <benje> i haven't hero

18:53 <benje> hero is someone who was dead for the ideee of someone else

18:53 <benje> i want to die for my idee

18:54 <benje> do you know brassens ?

18:54 <benje> one of his sing is "mourrir pour des idees"

18:54 <Soul_keeper> no you lost me ....

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18:55 <benje> mourrir pour des idees = deing for some idea

18:55 <benje> dieing

18:55 <benje> ok but slow death

18:55 <benje> by slow death

18:56 <benje> you cannot change people(idea) by weapon

18:56 <benje> or binary live dead :)

18:56 <benje> but this is dictatorial

18:57 <PovAddict> you can slowly kill people with bad english though

18:57 * PovAddict ducks

18:57 <benje> sorry

18:57 <benje> :/

18:58 <PovAddict> not to be offensive or anything; it's just hard for me to read

18:58 * Tank_Master slaps PovAddict around with nuclear waste

18:58 <benje> PovAddict, ;)

18:58 <benje> it's hard for me to writting too some "pensee"

18:59 <benje> touhgh

18:59 <benje> though

19:03 <CoderForLife> re-bonsoir

19:04 <benje> re CoderForLife

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19:04 * CoderForLife gets bit by the Miranduh bug

19:05 <CoderForLife> I typed "P-o-v-[Tab]" and kaflooey

19:05 <CoderForLife> first time with this new version

19:06 <CoderForLife> I was going to say...

19:06 <Soul_keeper> btw the remote admin features are broken in 6.3.3 svn

19:06 <CoderForLife> the special keyboard characters market has been cornered by PovAddict

19:07 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: 6.3.x is for internal use of BOINC devs

19:07 <PovAddict> not even an alpha-tester release

19:07 <Soul_keeper> :)

19:07 <CoderForLife> accent grave is out of the question

19:07 <Soul_keeper> i've found 3 bugs

19:07 <PovAddict> reproduce them in the latest 6.2.x and maybe somebody will listen

19:09 <Soul_keeper> i can run 6.3.3 indefinately

19:11 <xcamel> 6.3.3 runs fine on the mac..

19:13 *** CoderForLife is now known as PeeCee

19:13 <PeeCee> users always say that about you, Mac

19:13 *** PeeCee is now known as CoderForLife

19:17 <Soul_keeper> xcamel  can you connect to a remote host ?  when did you download it ?

19:17 <Soul_keeper> what is the process for submitting bug fixes ?  e-mail ?

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19:19 <PovAddict> either the boinc_alpha mailing list, or if you're sure it's a bug,

19:19 <Romulus> Title: BOINC - Trac (at

19:19 <CoderForLife> moo

19:19 <PovAddict> I doubt they'll welcome 6.3.x reports in trac though; Rom Walton explicitly said "don't use it", so...

19:19 <xcamel> I don't use rremotes, so I wouldn't know..

19:20 <Soul_keeper> well i just find simple stuff, like a missing include ...

19:20 <xcamel> and I don't report to trac, so scratch that too...

19:20 <Soul_keeper> i don't have time to get my hands too dirty

19:20 * xcamel needs coffee

19:21 <Soul_keeper> i've already had 6 quarts since i got off work

19:24 <efc> coffee or Jack ?

19:25 <Soul_keeper> nah the law made me give up drinking

19:26 <Soul_keeper> i kept crashing cars at 100+ MPH

19:27 <efc> Odd, normally when something isn't working, the government does more of it

19:27 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:27 * efc recalls the movie phrase, "Criminal Drug Evasion"

19:28 <PovAddict> <\amethyst> and I don't really use emacs for much anymore other than email :)

19:34 <quail> morning all

19:35 <quail> my computer this morning just collected another 200 seti WUs to crunch

19:35 <Soul_keeper> fun

19:38 <quail> yeah and it will take my computer couple days to get through them

19:42 <Soul_keeper>

19:42 <Romulus> <> (at

19:42 <Soul_keeper> crazy

19:43 <MTughan> I really hate M$ right now... I want to get a download of SP3 for my grandmother's computer (her Internet isn't too fast), and Microsoft Update is too slow. 40 minute download alone.

19:43 <PovAddict> I really hate my ISP now

19:43 <MTughan> But I can't find it anywhere on their download site... Closest is a CD image that says not to download for individual computers.

19:43 <PovAddict> shows 3000kbps for the speed test server in Buenos Aires

19:43 <MTughan> This one:

19:43 <Romulus> <> (at

19:44 <PovAddict> for every other test server in the world (even close ones like brazil), I get less than 1000kbps

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19:45 <bryanUC> MTughan: I have the download

19:45 <bryanUC> have to think where I found it

19:45 <bryanUC> it's awesome

19:45 <KathrynM> moanin all

19:45 <MTughan> Nice... Was hoping to copy it to my flash drive and install it there.

19:45 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

19:46 <bryanUC> wait, it's an ISO

19:46 <bryanUC> lol

19:46 <MTughan> The one you downloaded was an ISO?

19:46 <bryanUC> yes

19:46 <bryanUC> maybe I just ignored the warning

19:46 <MTughan> So the link I posted then... Okay.

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19:46 <bryanUC> one sec, let me compare the filename

19:46 <MTughan> I'm fine with downloading slightly more than I need to.

19:46 <bryanUC> yes, that file

19:46 <MTughan> Okay, cool...

19:46 <bryanUC> the idea is you don't need it for AN individual computer

19:47 <bryanUC> but to install on multiple, it's great

19:47 <MTughan> My dad could possibly use it then... We have at least 30 computers on XP SP2 at my old school. Dunno when he's gonna upgrade them to SP3.

19:48 <MTughan> Is there an executable inside the file?

19:48 <bryanUC> yes

19:48 <MTughan> Might just try and mount the image then, copy it to my flash drive. Thanks for the info.

19:48 <bryanUC> sure, np

19:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: for networks like that, it should be possible to remotely deploy it

19:48 <MTughan> And it's not like it's gonna take a while... 15 minutes left.

19:49 <PovAddict> without needing to put the CD on every computer one by one :)

19:49 <MTughan> How does that work then?

19:49 <bryanUC> MTughan: all told, it's about 500MB

19:49 <MTughan> Yeah, standard CD image.

19:49 <PovAddict> well, those Windows-based networks definitely allow a sysadmin to install Windows updates remotely

19:49 <PovAddict> not sure about a service pack, but probably

19:50 <MTughan> We haven't even gotten updates to work correctly... We just hope Automatic Updates gets them all.

19:50 <PovAddict> (on Linux it's even easier, just write a script that ssh's on all machines running apt-get upgrade or whatever)

19:50 <MTughan> It's not a very sophisticated lab.

19:50 <MTughan> No domain at all.

19:51 <MTughan> It's sort of like a large home network.

19:51 <bryanUC> I think if it's not a domain, you can't remote deploy

19:52 <MTughan> Nice... FF shows in the bottom "One active download (13 minutes remaining)"

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20:08 <MTughan> Ooh, cool... Archive Manager on F7 can extract files from ISOs.

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20:15 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

20:16 <xcamel> CFL >>

20:16 <Romulus> <> (at

20:21 <CoderForLife> looking

20:21 <CoderForLife> lol

20:22 <CoderForLife> I ws just looking at the men's fashions based on Obama

20:22 <CoderForLife> I got so mad today listening to Dick Morris on Hannity I could have chewed pop cans

20:23 <CoderForLife> which I'll have to do if Obama gets his way with the tax code

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20:24 <CoderForLife> hmm

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20:26 <CoderForLife> off to talk to the wife

20:26 <CoderForLife> gn

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20:31 <xcamel> there goes my roadrunner again...

20:35 <quail> xcamel: howdy Jay

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21:02 <benje> CoderForLife, do you think the big elector will wote for him ?

21:02 <benje> vote

21:03 <benje> it's strange for the united states you aren't tell yourself which president you want for a democratie

21:03 <benje> there only some elite which decide i don't understand well this way of thinking

21:06 <xcamel> 'lop Q

21:08 <xcamel> you need to spend some time understanding how our system is supposed to work, benje

21:08 <benje> xcamel, this site is pro republican no ?

21:08 <xcamel> everyone has their own opinions

21:09 <benje> xcamel, i know that you don't vote for your president but it's the big elector for which you vote which elect him

21:09 <benje> i know thet you a federation of states

21:09 <benje> like in europe but i will never let politien vote for ther chief

21:09 <benje> lol

21:10 <benje> politiian

21:10 <benje> :/

21:10 <benje> politician

21:10 <benje> like europe

21:10 <xcamel> most foreigners do not understand the electoral system, and that we are not a democracy, but a representative republic.

21:11 <benje> oki so it's different

21:11 <benje> i was thinking usa was a democratie

21:11 <xcamel> very - but there are forces in play that want to turn it into a marxist regime

21:11 <benje> in france we are in a democratique republic and it's the republic the probleme :)

21:12 <benje> xcamel, you don't want to share ?

21:12 <xcamel> pure democracies never survive..

21:12 <benje> how can you tell this

21:12 <xcamel> it's not sharing they do, but taking...

21:12 <benje> it's bnormal if cia put dictator :p

21:13 <benje> xcamel, yes that's a mentality problem

21:13 <benje> but like in spain before franco

21:13 <benje> what is the need to take 10 kilos of beef if you can have one each day ?

21:14 <xcamel> and the politicians keep their jobs by stealing from the productive, and giving to the unproductive...

21:14 <benje> xcamel, no i don't think they keep becaus ethey give rich more and more

21:14 <benje> if they don't do so they will be kill

21:15 <xcamel> not hardly, but that is what they want you to believe...

21:15 <benje> xcamel, which ? what do you said ou i ?

21:15 <xcamel> the rich work hard to get that way.. don't you ever forget that.

21:15 <benje> xcamel, no all

21:15 <benje> xcamel, not the more

21:16 <benje> worker work many more hard

21:16 <benje> to just survive

21:16 <xcamel> and people do not have a "right" to take from them while doing nothing for it.

21:16 <benje> xcamel, but rich are rioght to take from poor

21:16 <benje> because the afaim them

21:17 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah they work "hard"

21:17 <xcamel> wrong again... the rich always provide for the poor.

21:17 <benje> they provide what ? the misery

21:17 <xcamel> there has always been poor people... from the beginning of time - it is not the fault of the rich.

21:17 <benje> xcamel, i saw many people here not in states

21:18 <benje> i saw many rich people which does nothing ( i dont't tell about people which became but )

21:18 <benje> they doen't know the value of money

21:18 <xcamel> capitalism is the engine of freedom... if you invented something, and got rich, it would be OK for others to take all that from you?

21:18 <benje> xcamel, yes it's there fault

21:19 <benje> if they give justa little to them they will not stay poor

21:19 <benje> do you know bourdieu ? this is a french socilogue

21:19 <xcamel> no - what you do not earn, you do not value. pure and simple.

21:20 <benje> xcamel, i don't talkabout take all

21:20 <benje> but you will never use all you money

21:20 <benje> they take many drug depend petrol for they boat

21:20 <xcamel> if an inch is given, a mile will be taken - every time.

21:20 <benje> and the earth is dying

21:21 <benje> xcamel, the problem is the repartition

21:21 <xcamel> not true either - the press has you totally brainwashed.

21:21 <xcamel> global warming is a complete hoax.'

21:21 <benje> xcamel, i don't think so

21:21 <xcamel> I know so.

21:22 <benje> i tell about that bymayself as more as possible

21:22 * Soul_keeper thinks benje is robin hood

21:22 <xcamel> it is a natural process, and not being caused by man.

21:22 <benje> this is a living

21:22 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:22 <benje> xcamel, i don't think so

21:22 <benje> and event it's

21:22 <benje> we are human and we can eevoluate

21:22 <xcamel> because you have been poorly educated...

21:22 <benje> thanks Soul_keeper

21:23 <benje> Soul_keeper, j aimerai bien

21:23 <Soul_keeper> i dunno if it was a compliment

21:23 <benje> xcamel, i don't permit you to judge me

21:23 <xcamel> benje: How many ice ages has there been, and how often do they happen?

21:24 <benje> xcamel, do you see about that ?

21:24 <xcamel> think about it for a while, and you will see you have been lied too...

21:24 <benje> xcamel, see the etude made by independant scientist

21:24 <xcamel> bigtime.

21:24 <benje> the ices ages was no du to hydrocarbure

21:25 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

21:25 <benje> xcamel, i don't watch tv i haven't

21:25 <xcamel> many times more scientists say it's not being caused by man... and Mastadons didn't have SUV's...

21:26 <benje> xcamel, that's false

21:26 <xcamel> or CO2, or gasoline...

21:26 <benje> xcamel, do you see were came this scientist

21:26 <benje> do you remenber about phillip moris scientist

21:27 <benje> so you doesn't think that peoplewhich deosn't want to gve to other , doesn't want to lose one penny ?

21:27 <xcamel> AGW is a hoax - ice cores prove it, sea levels prove it, the effects of Krakatoa, and Tambura, and Toba prove it

21:28 <benje> xcamel, remember about our discution ;)

21:28 <benje> we wxill not able to talk about it again

21:28 <xcamel> Before you were born, the exact same people were running around screaming about the coming ice age...

21:29 <benje> since 1970 yes

21:29 <benje> they see that's

21:29 <xcamel> and 'nuclear winter' and 'ozone holes' and whatever the "disaster of the day" was...

21:29 <benje> xcamel, since this time they are telling warning

21:29 <xcamel> which just means they know nothing.

21:30 <benje> xcamel, here they taold about the chernobyl gaz

21:30 <benje> that i wasz stop at the frontier

21:30 <benje> they was liing

21:30 <benje> lieing

21:30 <xcamel> about?

21:30 <benje> nuclear accident

21:30 <benje> in ukraine

21:30 <benje> like in state

21:30 <benje> near the lake

21:31 <xcamel> I have seen all of the pictures - from kidofspeed - they were not lies...

21:31 <benje> they haven't any scrupule

21:31 <xcamel> that was old russia

21:31 <benje> xcamel, the gaz of thcernobyl doesn't stop at the frontier

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21:31 <benje> now we have the consequence

21:31 <benje> thiroide problem for the women

21:31 <benje> and many more

21:32 <benje> we have eat many iradiate food

21:32 <xcamel> of course it doesn't - but the radioactive levels at the frontier are low enough not to cause great harm..

21:32 <benje> lol

21:32 <xcamel> but you changed the topic

21:32 <benje> xcamel, they alarm of fireman was ringing

21:33 <benje> xcamel, we are talking about they power of lieing

21:33 <xcamel> probably been there too long.

21:33 <benje> to preserve they power

21:33 <benje> xcamel, this was a lie

21:33 <xcamel> that has been done since man could keep a rational thought in his head...

21:34 <benje> like caterina

21:34 <benje> poor can die

21:34 <benje> rich not

21:35 <xcamel> lol - the recent floods were much worse than Katrina..

21:35 <benje> rich do so many for human

21:35 <xcamel> they are not rich people

21:35 <benje> and by talking like that it seem to me to made generality

21:35 <xcamel> but there is no whining, or clamoring for handouts...

21:35 <benje> ther rich poeple whihc are stay human

21:36 <xcamel> or people shooting each other...

21:36 <benje> but many of rich poeple , the monay stand up to there head

21:36 <xcamel> as you get older, you will learn...

21:37 <benje> i haven't to get older to know that

21:37 <benje> since my 7year old i know that

21:37 <xcamel> we gave the victims of Katrina BILLIONS - all of it wasted so far on people who WANT to be poor, and live on the government handouts.

21:37 <benje> xcamel, they will get what they do

21:38 <benje> but there no job

21:38 <benje> what you want to do

21:38 <xcamel> make one...

21:38 <benje> you take one of someone else

21:38 <xcamel> no, make a new job

21:38 <benje> which doesn't want this is the same in education

21:38 <xcamel> then you will get rich.

21:39 <benje> xcamel, make a new job we are not all able to made a knew thing

21:39 <benje> xcamel, i don't want to become rich if it was so i wasn't here

21:39 <xcamel> what would make the lives of the people around you better? Will they pay you to do that?

21:39 <benje> no

21:40 <benje> i will be paid by somthing else

21:40 <xcamel> that is where you are wrong.

21:40 <xcamel> they have taught you to believe that fundamental lie.

21:40 <benje> this is wath a try to do but i don't want there money

21:40 <xcamel> They will pay you.

21:40 <benje> they think because they paid that normal

21:41 <xcamel> that is 'making a new job'

21:41 <xcamel> you know

21:41 <benje> yes

21:41 <benje> this is not a new job xcamel

21:41 <benje> this is existing

21:41 <xcamel> Jeff Bezos had ***nothing*** when he started, and was living out of his car...

21:42 <benje> you will take one of an other

21:42 <benje> machin do our job

21:42 <benje> like me

21:42 <xcamel> he made a new job... and now he is very, very rich...

21:42 <benje> i came from the street this is not the state but this is the street too

21:42 <benje> megaloman whant to become rich

21:43 <benje> i just want to live my life

21:43 <benje> as i want

21:43 <benje> this is my richess

21:43 <xcamel> nope... another lie - just someone who will not stand for being poor...

21:43 <benje> at a time you will see backward and you will understan

21:43 <benje> d

21:44 <benje> xcamel, if it was so i was continuing studing and i will be in big socity now

21:44 <xcamel> I have been there, and it is you who will gain wisdom someday.

21:44 <benje> "exploiting" people

21:45 <xcamel> hardly...

21:45 <benje> so easly

21:46 <benje> you don't want to work  12 hour a day

21:46 <benje> go out

21:46 <benje> i found some one more dining whihc will do it

21:46 <benje> this is because they keep people poor

21:46 <benje> dining (dieing)

21:46 <benje> this is why

21:47 <benje> don't think poor people don't want to do nothing this is a fake

21:48 <xcamel> when you feel you are stuck face down in the mud, the first step is to stand up and get moving...

21:48 <benje> it's like drug it's a tools of thesystem

21:49 <benje> and when you do that they break you

21:50 <benje> this is false xcamel when you are stuck face down you can die, and if someone keep you in

21:50 <benje> and just behind you and when you try to get up

21:51 <benje> strike you

21:51 <benje> when you said but this is not normal

21:51 <benje> yes it's you are stupid not enough education

21:51 <benje> because they think ittetllignec is education lol

21:52 <benje> the intelligence is what you do with wath you know

21:52 <efc> moo

21:52 <xcamel> you will learn eventually...

21:52 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

21:53 <benje> when you have a high culture like you seem to said i don't understand haw can you doesn't see that

21:54 <xcamel> you are in France, right?

21:54 <benje> right

21:54 <xcamel> socialism in spades.

21:54 <benje> i am not a socialiste or what else

21:55 <benje> i am a human of the cosmo

21:55 <xcamel> not you... the system...

21:55 <benje> this will prevent fight with other live in space

21:55 <xcamel> and it's killing france...

21:55 <benje> xcamel, no it's false

21:55 <benje> one exemple

21:55 <xcamel> sorry... for now you are stuck here on earth...

21:56 <benje> they said we must made lower the taxe

21:56 <benje> because rich are going awayu

21:56 <benje> they do but they going away too

21:56 * efc invests in canned soup and chilli

21:56 <xcamel> because you have taxed them too much, and let the foreigners take over your country, and wreck it.

21:57 <benje> the problem is not the socialism this help people to get education

21:57 <benje> health

21:57 <benje> and many more things thinking ect

21:57 <benje> the problem is that somme people want to make more

21:58 <benje> but haw can you lute from china or india

21:58 <xcamel> it only helps people become dependent on the goverment - and you will lick the boots of the masters that keep you down.

21:58 <benje> do you want o get there live ?

21:58 <benje> false

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21:58 <xcamel> well... another time.

21:58 <xcamel> laterz...

21:58 <efc> Night xcamel

21:58 <benje> do you want o get there live ?

21:59 <benje> xcamel, answer please

21:59 <efc> Down with the man

21:59 <benje> that wath will append

21:59 <benje> maybe not you but your child

21:59 <benje> good night xcamel

22:00 <benje> xcamel, you must studi more history

22:00 <benje> i think ...

22:03 <efc> still screwed up my *&#$ mp3 download..

22:03 <efc> So much for the new media

22:17 <efc> Odd to d/l something 3 times and get 3 different file lenghts

22:18 <PovAddict> it's the extra personally-identifying data they add to it

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22:19 <PovAddict> (if you put that mp3 on file sharing, they can know it was you)

22:19 <efc> It skips and glitches like crazy

22:20 <efc> Turns 4/4 rock into 3/4 waltz :)

22:23 <efc> Wonder if my older players can't handle that extra markup data whatever it is

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22:24 <PovAddict> efc: if it was just "extra markup data", it would be easy to remove

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22:24 <PovAddict> some people theorize it's in the *sound*, and in a way that it would remain even if re-encoded in mp3

22:25 <efc> Whatever it is. It also seems to have audio level compression (badly) applied, but I'd need the original to be sure.

22:25 <PovAddict> /* F*** me backwards.......

22:25 <PovAddict> * This is such a lot of effort just for some lazy ass in . *sigh*

22:25 <PovAddict> * I REALLY don't get paid enough for this :( */

22:25 <efc> Get out of my code...

22:27 <PovAddict> omg DB stored procedures that output HTML

22:29 <KathrynM> what in the world was *that* PovAddict

22:30 <efc> I wish I had some of the code I worked on years ago. You'd gouge your eyes out.

22:32 <efc> Actually you'd gouge your eyes out on the current code I deal with two, probably a lot faster

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22:32 <efc> We brought in a couple of new but older guys. I think they may retire rather than deal with this junk.

22:32 <PovAddict> :/

22:33 <PovAddict> efc:

22:33 <Romulus> <> (at

22:33 <efc> Who put my picture on that webpage

22:36 <efc> 100,000 of spaghetti is humbling

23:37 <Soul_keeper> so yeah i get credit card offers every month addressed to   "Soul_keeper"

23:37 <efc> haha

23:37 <efc> have a domain registered with that name?

23:37 <Soul_keeper> yeah i did

23:38 <Soul_keeper> i had before i switched, and they wouldn't let me change it

23:39 <Soul_keeper> the login name for accessing my account was set as the same for my real name apparently

23:39 <efc> i registered with name "Soandso Family" and got "bills" from "services" to "register" my site with search engines

23:39 <mwalling> ditto

23:39 <efc> this time I changed it to something like "This Mail is Fraud"

23:40 <efc> Domain Registers of America or some such crooks

23:40 <Soul_keeper> lol

23:40 <Soul_keeper> yeah i get those too

23:42 <Soul_keeper> so how is sector 001 treating you all ?

23:43 <efc> ?

23:43 <Soul_keeper> that's what they call our solar system in star trek apparently :)

23:43 <efc> sector ****-hole by the 24th century

23:44 <efc> Slowly getting some more s@h WUs on my skymap

23:44 <efc> Too bad I don't have the hundreds I'd done before..

23:45 <efc> I do have some from old logs but log formats aren't compatible

23:45 <Soul_keeper> which skymap program are you running ?

23:46 <efc> BoincLogX / Seti@Home MapView

23:46 <efc> mapview just plots the boinclogx logs

23:47 <efc> Seems like not much active development on accessory programs like this

23:47 <Soul_keeper> i used to run something called setispy

23:47 <efc> Yeah I remember that. I think it never came over the Boinc ?

23:47 <efc> Was a cute program

23:48 <Soul_keeper> also tryed   ksetiwatch

23:48 <Soul_keeper> it had skycharts

23:48 <Soul_keeper> not sure if they run with boinc tho

23:48 <efc> The maps are a trivial feature really.. would be a nice addition to the screensaver

23:49 <Soul_keeper> tryed  tkseti  as well

23:49 <efc> Maybe.. 3d map of galaxy with a cone corresponding to the WU location

23:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah all those old programs i ran stopped updating in 2005

23:53 <efc> Nice looks like ksetiwatch makes some of its API reusable

23:53 <efc> Oh, well it did, it died with classic

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23:57 <efc> I guess a lot less focus on seti@home with all the other projects around

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