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01:16 <Soul_keeper> awesome !!!
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01:43 <zombie67> Thanks SK
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01:49 <efc> &weather 31088
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01:54 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977
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01:54 <bryanUC_> &weather 43016
01:54 <Romulus> bryanUC_: Temperature: 67.5°F / 19.7°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Overnight - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms mainly in the afternoon. Highs (1 more message)
01:54 <Soul_keeper> cpu running at 57c with new fans ...
01:57 <Soul_keeper> i miss 45C overclocks
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02:43 <Soul_keeper> lol, so yeah i loaded a webpage earlier and the lights in my house dimmed ...
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04:31 <mellum> Hi. I've just installed boinc, activated climatepredict.net, and it shows an ETA for the work unit of 3888 hours. Is that to be expected?
04:32 <CoderForLife> for CPDN, yes - very long running WUs
04:32 <CoderForLife> and good morning =)
04:32 <mellum> Uh. Bad idea, I would say.
04:33 <mellum> morning? it's 11:33 :)
04:33 <CoderForLife> 4:32am
04:33 <mellum> ah, nice time to hang around in IRC channels :)
04:34 <CoderForLife> not much action - only if you like being lonely
04:34 <KathrynM> or are tired from w&^
04:34 <CoderForLife> eggzackly KathrynM
04:34 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife
04:35 <CoderForLife> hello to you 2
04:35 <mellum> from what?
04:35 <KathrynM> pizza is on order. house on tv
04:35 <KathrynM> work
04:35 <CoderForLife> live is perfect
04:35 <CoderForLife> er life
04:35 <KathrynM> it's a bad word around here
04:35 <CoderForLife> w@#%
04:35 <mellum> whoops, and I said "work unit"
04:36 <CoderForLife> it's a four-letter word
04:36 <KathrynM> lol
04:36 <CoderForLife> I usually say "WU" to avoid using the word
04:36 <KathrynM> :D
04:36 <CoderForLife> it's such a hateful, demeaning word
04:36 <KathrynM> Thursday finished. Tomorrow is Birthday Friday. woo hoo. I get out of teaching one class
04:37 <CoderForLife> woot
04:37 <KathrynM> plus they feed us lunch :)
04:38 <CoderForLife> hmm - I'd be suspicious of their motives then =)
04:38 <mellum> Here, every Friday is free :)
04:39 <KathrynM> I'm always suspicious of their motivies
04:39 <KathrynM> errr motives
04:39 <CoderForLife> where is "here", mellum?
04:39 <mellum> CoderForLife: Israel
04:39 <CoderForLife> ah
04:39 <KathrynM> we got the better part of the globe covered then
04:39 <CoderForLife> welcome to #boinc
04:39 <CoderForLife> I believe we do
04:40 <CoderForLife> I have a new fun fact: "Fridays are free in Israel" =)
04:41 <mellum> CoderForLife: well, you have to work on Sundays instead... basically the week is shifted by 1 day
04:41 <CoderForLife> sure
04:41 <mellum> Advantage is, calendars that start the week on Sunday suddenly make sense!
04:42 <CoderForLife> lol
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04:42 <CoderForLife> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371902,00.html
04:43 <fishsponge_> hey people - does anyone know how to merge hosts on the boincstats account manager (BAM)? by any chance?
04:43 <KathrynM> I believe you have to do it at the individual projects fishsponge_
04:43 * CoderForLife agrees with KathrynM
04:43 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: does that mean once i've done it on individual projects (all 15 of them!) that i then have to go back to BAM and do something there?
04:44 <KathrynM> nope.
04:44 <KathrynM> you just have the let BS get the new stat export. takes about 24 hours
04:44 <KathrynM> so nothing else for you to do
04:45 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: what happens when half the projects have the merged hosts, and half don't - what does BAM display?
04:45 <KathrynM> brb
04:45 <fishsponge_> does it display all separate hosts until the last project is merged, at which point it shows the proper merged ones?
04:45 <CoderForLife> it displays "brb"??
04:46 <KathrynM> pizza arrived :D
04:46 <CoderForLife> lol
04:47 <KathrynM> don't know fishsponge_ I don't use bam and I don't keep that close of an eye on my stats
04:49 <CoderForLife> my problem on BAM wasn't multiple hosts, it was multiple accounts, so I'm not sure either - I assume the behavior you described fishponge_ would be how it would act
04:49 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: how do i merge hosts at the project level?
04:50 <KathrynM> in your account pages
04:51 <CoderForLife> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Host_Identification_and_Merging
04:52 <KathrynM> thx CoderForLife
04:53 <CoderForLife> np KathrynM
04:54 <KathrynM> I'm busy savoring my pizza
04:54 <CoderForLife> at the bottom of the "Your computers" page, there's a link to "Merge computers by name"
04:54 * CoderForLife starts thinking about breakfast
04:56 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 76.1°F / 24.5°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Muggy. Lows in the upper (1 more message)
04:56 <CoderForLife> &more
04:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;
04:57 <exco> thanks, PovAddict
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05:03 <KathrynM> lol
05:04 <CoderForLife> heh
05:08 <clusty> KathrynM, i dont get it :D
05:08 <clusty> some dry dilbert like humour?
05:09 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
05:09 <KathrynM> Ziggy is a brand of humor unto itself
05:10 <exco> btw, PovAddict you were right, I just went home yesterday... and now it's working
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05:29 <CoderForLife> b
05:31 <CoderForLife> how was your pizza, KathrynM?
05:33 <KathrynM> yummy in my tummy
05:35 <CoderForLife> excellent
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05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis mac
05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.
05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis osx
05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: "osx" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_macOSX_universal.zip
05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis freebsd
05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.
05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis bsd
05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.
05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis linux
05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.45_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis windows
05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_windows_intelx86.exe
05:47 <xcamel> having fun?
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06:14 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel hawmps
06:20 <KathrynM> for a digital cam, my cam does half way decent video
06:20 <KathrynM> gonna record some of my classes singing tomorrow
06:24 <CoderForLife> wonderful
06:24 <CoderForLife> you said "some"
06:24 <KathrynM> some = the little kids
06:24 <CoderForLife> do you not expect the cam to survive the encounter?
06:24 <KathrynM> lol
06:25 <KathrynM> if the kids try to touch it, yeah
06:25 <CoderForLife> lol
06:25 * CoderForLife tests the virtual hosting configuration on the new server
06:26 <KathrynM> gonna get one class of 6 years old to do "Today is Monday" and one class of 5 year olds do "C is for Cookie"
06:27 <hawmps> 'lo
06:27 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps
06:27 <KathrynM> evening hawmps
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06:56 <CoderForLife> er um wb KathrynM
06:57 * CoderForLife gets his balky hosts file under XP to finally cooperate
06:58 <KathrynM_> I grew a tail
06:58 <CoderForLife> indeed
06:58 * CoderForLife gets out his carving knife
07:00 <fishsponge_> hey people - i've just rebuilt my machine, twice, and so i ended up with three versions of it on the boincstats account manager (BAM). i have merged all of the hosts on the individual project sites, so is that everything i need to do in order to get BAM to show the correct hosts?
07:01 <CoderForLife> you already have the KathrynM and CoderForLife votes... =)
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07:49 <exco> what owner and permission should folders and files generated by apache in /upload have?
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08:12 <exco> see you later
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08:29 <CoderForLife> wb wdsmia_w
08:30 <CoderForLife> another fabulous w@#% day
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08:42 <hawmps> a bit rainy...
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09:03 <fishsponge_> hey people - i've just rebuilt my machine, twice, and so i ended up with three versions of it on the boincstats account manager (BAM). i have merged all of the hosts on the individual project sites, so is that everything i need to do in order to get BAM to show the correct hosts?
09:07 <Soul_keeper> i think so, just gotta wait 24-48hrs likely for it to update
09:22 <CoderForLife> no rain here, hawmps - at least not yet - I'm off to the hardware store to get some paint for the mailbox post - very exciting
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09:31 <PovAdct_w> fishsponge_: BAM or the stats?
09:31 <PovAdct_w> for BAM, just *delete* the duplicate hosts
09:34 <fishsponge_> PovAdct_w: BAM, but if i delete the duplicate hosts, won't i lose the fact that my host already has a whole load of stats?
09:36 <CoderForLife> off to the store - wb PovAdct_w
09:36 <PovAdct_w> BAM has absolutely nothing to do with any stats
09:37 <PovAdct_w> mellum: btw, you are allowed to say "work" in the context of BOINC stuff; it's a bad word when talking about people w#$%ing
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09:49 <quail> evening all
10:41 <hawmps> 'lo Q
10:49 <quail> how are things Jay?
10:59 <hawmps> good.
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11:06 <BadBarbarian> &more
11:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: thunderstorms in the evening. Lows 44 to 54. Southwest winds around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 78 to 86. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the afternoon.;
11:09 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319
11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 66.5°F / 19.2°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Rest of Today - Thunderstorms late in the morning...then thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall...then some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall in the (2 more messages)
11:09 <wdsmia_w> &more
11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: afternoon. High in the mid 80s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low around 70. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph in the evening.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Polk County in (1 more message)
11:09 <wdsmia_w> &more
11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: effect until 10:15 AM CDT on June 26, 2008; Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Polk County in effect until 1:00 PM CDT on June 26, 2008; Flash Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 1:00 PM CDT on June 29, 2008; Flash Flood Watch for Polk County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on June 27, 2008;
11:15 <hawmps> hmmm... weathergasm...
11:16 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123
11:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.3°F / 12.4°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then mostly sunny. Highs 75 to 80. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 50 to 55. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Friday - Sunny...warmer. Highs 90 to 95. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)
11:16 <Tank_Master> &more
11:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:00 PM PDT on June 26, 2008;
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11:55 <CoderForLife> back for the moment
11:56 <CoderForLife> one coat of paint has been applied to the mailbox post, and lunch has been eaten
12:00 <CoderForLife> "Supreme Court says individuals have right to own guns"
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12:06 <hawmps> bingo!
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13:34 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news June 26, 2008
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14:23 <CoderForLife> &seen AFLAC
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15:58 <xcamel> re-hi
15:59 <wdsmia_> *lo Jay
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15:59 <xcamel> ip kills 126.96.36.199, 188.8.131.52 (Morfeus F**king Scanner)
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16:03 * CoderForLife gets vncserver running on new F9 machine - yay!
16:04 <infinisoft> Does hiding a BOINC forum thread cause everyone to be unsubscribed from it?
16:04 <PovAddict> good question; no idea
16:04 <PovAddict> I guess not
16:04 <PovAddict> nobody can post while it's hidden anyway
16:04 <PovAddict> so nobody would get notifications even if they were still subscribed
16:06 * CoderForLife blocks Morfeus
16:06 <CoderForLife> thanks xcamel
16:11 <xcamel> bigtime block
16:16 <Soul_keeper> i got an idea
16:17 <Soul_keeper> so every dozen or so seti wu's seems to complete nearly instantly, and i get like .08 credits for it, why not make them like 10 or 20 credits to compensate for the wasted bandwidth/round-trip-time ?
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16:17 <Soul_keeper> they do nothing but disrupt crunching
16:18 <Soul_keeper> and who is to say their value to the project is so much less than a 50 or 70 credit unit ?
16:18 <PovAddict> - it doesn't waste round-trip-time, you don't have to wait for it to download/upload before crunching another
16:18 <PovAddict> - imagine if there was a long batch of those tiny ones, people would get more credits than they should
16:18 <Soul_keeper> yes but it must start, stop, then another must be started
16:19 <Soul_keeper> then my precious bandwidth gets used ...
16:19 <xcamel> 'bleep units"
16:19 <PovAddict> how many of those do you get?
16:19 <Soul_keeper> i doubt they'd get more ... hmmm
16:19 <xcamel> about one in 70 or 80 is a pleep unit
16:19 <Soul_keeper> "overhead" would be too high i'd think
16:19 <xcamel> er bleep even
16:20 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you want those to give 10 or 20 instead of 0.08, *of course* given a long batch people would get way too many credits
16:20 <Soul_keeper> what i'm thinking is a baseline credit, like a min allowable
16:20 <CoderForLife> bbiab - going to Subway to get some sandwiches for dinner
16:21 <Soul_keeper> they do have boinc projects that grand credit for internet bandwidth right ?
16:21 <xcamel> I like their seafood sub...
16:21 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yeah, those clearly how flawed the credit system is
16:21 <Soul_keeper> how much credit do those grant ?
16:22 <Soul_keeper> worth running ?
16:22 <PovAddict> that's exactly why it's flawed... they shouldn't be any more "worth running" than any other project
16:23 <PovAddict> but actually, no matter how little credits they give, running both a network project and a CPU project would increase your global RAC
16:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah but bandwidth is still a limited resource
16:24 <PovAddict> yeah but you're still getting more RAC than other people
16:24 <Soul_keeper> will you feel the same way once they get GPU projects running in boinc ?
16:24 <PovAddict> and who decides if 1 minute of CPU should give less or more credits than 1MB of data transfer?
16:25 <PovAddict> I hope the credit system is changed before GPU projects come
16:25 <PovAddict> otherwise it will be a mess
16:25 <Soul_keeper> probably the same people that decide how to calculate 1 minute of cpu time's value accross multiple different systems
16:25 <PovAddict> no, that's based on benchmarks
16:26 <PovAddict> far-from-perfect benchmarks but still
16:26 <Soul_keeper> exactely and a decision was made when writing the code
16:26 <PovAddict> it's linear (in theory); if your computer is twice as slow, you get twice less per CPU second
16:27 <Soul_keeper> ok but if the program you run is memory intensive, hard drive intensive, etc. then it's all worthless
16:28 <PovAddict> it's only a problem if two computers have similar CPU speed but greatly different memory bandwidth, or something
16:28 <Soul_keeper> so basically you think certain hardware should be excluded from boinc compatibility ?
16:28 <PovAddict> huh??
16:28 <Soul_keeper> like internet
16:28 <PovAddict> no
16:28 <Soul_keeper> i don't see where you are going with things
16:28 <PovAddict> the only sane way to make credits work correctly with different resources and optimized apps etc. is keeping credits within a project
16:29 <Soul_keeper> so that's what you want to happen ?
16:30 <PovAddict> it's unlikely to happen by now, as it'd be hard to convert the credits people already have
16:30 <PovAddict> but still: I think the best way is each project deciding how many credits they want to give
16:31 <Soul_keeper> i was thinking yesterday, at some point they are likely gonna have to reset this thing, starting credit from scratch, what's your thoughts on that ?
16:31 <PovAddict> comparing credits across projects would become meaningless
16:32 <PovAddict> if I have 100 credits in one project and 200 in another, it would be meaningless since one gives 1 credit per day and another 1 per hour
16:32 <PovAddict> and another gives 10 per WU no matter how long it was
16:32 <Didactylos> Just one reason why I'm a single-project cruncher.
16:32 <PovAddict> BUT you can still compete with other users within the project
16:32 <PovAddict> and you can compete for *rank* between projects
16:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm highly tempted to drop a low credit granting project
16:33 <PovAddict> with per-project credits you wouldn't be
16:33 <PovAddict> why do you care if a project gives less credits/day than another? because it affects how fast your total credits increase, right?
16:33 <Didactylos> You know - I agree. Cross-project credit was a mistake.
16:33 <Soul_keeper> i still like the seti classic way of doing things, but everything changes i suppose ...
16:34 <Didactylos> In fact, all the cross-project features have been disasters.
16:34 <Didactylos> Credit, preferences, teams - disasters.
16:34 <PovAddict> ...right?
16:34 <PovAddict> what if there was no such thing as "total credits"?
16:34 <Soul_keeper> then i wouldn't be motivated
16:35 <Soul_keeper> i'd probably turn my pc off more than once every few months :)
16:35 <PovAddict> yes, you can compete for being in the top-100 on every project
16:35 <PovAddict> rank is still important even if every project defines their own credit unit (with different orders of magnitude)
16:36 <PovAddict> I have made more than once the analogy with video games
16:36 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: do you play WoW? I recall you did
16:36 <Soul_keeper> no i don't
16:36 <PovAddict> (or was it someone else here)
16:37 <Soul_keeper> yeah someone but i forget who
16:37 <Soul_keeper> i play UT
16:37 <Soul_keeper> i see what you're saying tho
16:37 <PovAddict> do you play any other online game?
16:37 <Soul_keeper> not really
16:38 <Soul_keeper> i "look at" other online games occasionally
16:38 <Soul_keeper> just to see the graphics, that's about it
16:38 <PovAddict> do you think it makes any sense to add UT points/level/whatever with the points/level/whatever of another game and say "I have this many total points"?
16:38 <Soul_keeper> quake4, doom3, some flight sims are examples of this
16:39 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, i mostly only pay attention to per game points
16:39 <PovAddict> there you go
16:39 <Soul_keeper> cause i can have bad weeks and stuff ...
16:39 <PovAddict> it doesn't make sense to add points from different games because they obviously don't give the same credits per hour of gameplay :)
16:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah
16:40 <Soul_keeper> but you still like boinc right ?
16:40 <PovAddict> and you may be good at one game while another person sucks at it and is better at another... just like 32/64bit and ABC@Home, 64 bit is better at that game
16:40 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
16:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm the best at seti and einstein
16:41 <Soul_keeper> wcg gives half the credit they do
16:42 <PovAddict> with per-project credits, David Anderson would get exactly what he wants: people scattering their CPU time among different projects
16:42 <PovAddict> think about it.... in what projects it's the easiest to get a high rank?
16:43 <Soul_keeper> yeah
16:43 <xcamel> wow - big line of storms building...
16:43 <PovAddict> "high-paying" projects? of course not, everybody else would get "high-paid" too
16:43 <Soul_keeper> problem is i really like running boinc, because it has cancer/aids research
16:43 <Soul_keeper> wcg*
16:44 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977
16:44 <PovAddict> where would you go if you wanted a high rank?
16:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 75.3°F / 24.1°C | Humidity: 56% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 56 to 63. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 73 to 78 in the western valleys (1 more message)
16:44 <Soul_keeper> seti/einstein
16:44 <xcamel> seti/einstein/reisel/qmc
16:44 <xcamel> abc not so much
16:45 <Soul_keeper> RAC goes from 1300-1600 up to like 3000-5000
16:45 <PovAddict> high rank, not high credits; what chance do you have of being in the top-10 of SETI? you'd need 27 million credits
16:46 <Soul_keeper> good point
16:46 <Soul_keeper> i'm mostly just comparing my boinc credit to you people for reference
16:46 <PovAddict> top 1 in SETI has 460 million, top 1 in MilkyWay has 3 million
16:46 <PovAddict> so if I wanted to be in top 1, I'd surely not even *try* SETI
16:46 <xcamel> Current Credit: 8,490,435.44
16:47 <PovAddict> so if you want a high rank, the best project to be in is the one with the least users...
16:47 <Soul_keeper> 1,048,666.75
16:47 <PovAddict> but if everyone thinks that, that one project will have a big user increase... and another will be the "project with least users"
16:48 <xcamel> BOINC World position based on credit: incremental update)321 out of 1,409,508
16:48 <xcamel> highest ever was #22 back in '04
16:48 <Soul_keeper> i'm loyal to seti tho, i can't see myself using less than half my cpu cycles on it regardless of the credit system
16:48 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: same here, if I wasn't getting any credits,
16:48 <PovAddict> er
16:48 <PovAddict> (wanted to press backspace, not Enter)
16:49 <PovAddict> I personally know what it feels like to wait for long computations to finish
16:49 <PovAddict> so then I'm unconfortable seeing an idle CPU :P
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16:50 <Soul_keeper> My Current Ranking: 2,613
16:50 <Soul_keeper> i guess i'm doing pretty good in WCG
16:51 <PovAddict> according to BOINCStats I'm #52147 in WCG :D
16:51 <PovAddict> hmm I just noticed a case where my idea goes backwards...
16:52 <Didactylos> Maybe WCG could push through a change, and unlink the BOINC credits....
16:52 <Didactylos> all they need to do is export credit using their old scale.
16:52 <PovAddict> if I wanted my rank to be > 1000 in all projects, I'd start crunching on the one I have a *lowest* rank (highest rank number, lowest credit compared to other users in that project)
16:52 <Didactylos> Multiply everything by seven.
16:53 <PovAddict> Didactylos: no, that'd explode... first stats sites need to stop adding up credits from different projects
16:53 <Didactylos> Once the shouting is over, BOINC credits will be well and truly per project, not cross-project.
16:53 <Didactylos> PovAddict: WCG have a hard choice ahead, and whatever they do people will be unhappy.
16:54 <Soul_keeper> einstein won't tell me my rank within it's project
16:55 <PovAddict> if WCG gives 7x more credits than the rest of projects, crunching WCG would give 7x faster-increasing cross-project total
16:55 <PovAddict> so first we have to get rid of "cross-project total"
16:56 <PovAddict> wow a new 6.2 linux release
16:57 <KathrynM> Probably only because I bugged Rom :)
16:57 <KathrynM> I said "Pretty Please"
16:57 <PovAddict> hey K
16:57 <KathrynM> mornin PovAddict
17:01 <Soul_keeper> #7247 in einstein
17:01 <xcamel> 'lo Kat
17:01 <KathrynM> hiya xcamel
17:01 <KathrynM> It's only 6 am. I'm going back to bed. But TGIF!
17:02 <xcamel> 6am is when I leave for work...
17:02 <xcamel> usually...
17:04 <Soul_keeper> #8567 in seti
17:05 <Soul_keeper> #2,613 in wcg
17:05 <Soul_keeper> so basically the more i do the projects the lower my ranking
17:06 <CoderForLife> back
17:06 <PovAddict> not really
17:06 <PovAddict> there's just more people with heavy hardware doing seti than einstein
17:06 <Soul_keeper> then where is he ?
17:07 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, no you misunderstood me, my ranking is lower in the projects i spend my cpu cycles on
17:07 <Soul_keeper> just an observation, the rest we both know ...
17:07 <Soul_keeper> more*
17:07 <PovAddict> that's bad luck, you spend your CPU cycles on the "hardest" projects? :P
17:07 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah
17:08 <Soul_keeper> wcg has a nice little stats page for their own project
17:08 <PovAddict> what's your boinc username?
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17:11 <Soul_keeper> sterlingp
17:11 <Soul_keeper> sterling for all my other projects but it was taken in wcg
17:13 <Soul_keeper> i think i might join some of those "challenges"
17:15 <Soul_keeper> looks like i joined some around xmas, i got smoked, i didn't even know i had joined them
17:17 <Soul_keeper> i need to go to the bank and put a grand in bbl :)
17:17 * PovAddict sticks a paper saying ">Bank<" on his hand
17:18 <PovAddict> also, you passed 2^20 credits
17:19 <PovAddict> your next geeky milestone should be the number of bytes in a floppy disk
17:21 <mwalling> &calc 1.44*1024^2
17:21 <Romulus> mwalling: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
17:21 <mwalling> &google calc 1.44*1024^2
17:21 <Romulus> mwalling: 1.44 * (1,024^2) = 1,509,949.44
17:21 <PovAddict> nope, I remember the amount by heart
17:21 <PovAddict> 1457664
17:22 <PovAddict> &math calc 1457664 / 1024
17:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1423.5
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18:30 <Soul_keeper> yo
18:31 <Soul_keeper> any of you own a phenom x4 ?
18:33 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249 i'd be all over that if it was 45nm
18:33 <Soul_keeper> 125watts is a bit intense for my climate
18:35 <CoderForLife> some feisty t-storm cells moving in
18:36 <Soul_keeper> cool
18:36 <Soul_keeper> time to take the lappy/webcam on the roof again ?
18:40 <CoderForLife> penny size hail would cause me to forego the first-hand reporting
18:41 <CoderForLife> yeah, I'm just not man enough
18:42 <CoderForLife> the storm cells are individually moving north-east; the whole front is advancing slowly eastward, at maybe 25 miles per hour
18:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 25 mph kph
18:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 40.2336
18:44 <CoderForLife> The Slow Drift of Death
18:46 <CoderForLife> Stephen is home - time to eat - bbl
18:46 <Soul_keeper> top of the line amd quad core build would cost me 650 bucks
18:47 <Soul_keeper> i bet you'd get struck my lighting if you were on your roof with a laptop during a storm ...
18:51 <Soul_keeper> lol get your college degree's now at 10 bucks an assignment
18:56 <xcamel> re-back
19:03 <quail> morning all
19:03 <quail> &wx ypad
19:03 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 50Â°F / 10Â°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM CST; Clear. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Clear. Low:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.;
19:08 <Soul_keeper> thank god for the 2nd amendment !!!
19:08 <quail> thank god it is friday :-)
19:09 <Soul_keeper> friday is tomarrow here
19:11 <quail> Fri Jun 27 08:41:40 CST 2008
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19:25 <CoderForLife> this front is strong
19:26 <CoderForLife> lots lots of lightning
19:27 <wdsmia> sounds like last night here
19:28 <CoderForLife> wow close
19:29 <CoderForLife> lots of cicada-weakened falls branches/leaves
19:29 <Soul_keeper> you are being punished by the global warming gods for buying too many pc's
19:32 <PovAddict> unfair gods
19:32 <PovAddict> you should be punished more than him, Soul_keeper :)
19:32 <KathrynM> I should turn in my #boinc membership...
19:32 <Soul_keeper> lol
19:33 <KathrynM> I was dreaming about w&^% when the alarm went off
19:33 <PovAddict> o.0
19:34 <KathrynM> was dreaming about having a discussion about the weather with one of my classes.
19:34 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan
19:34 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 63Â°F / 17Â°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Overcast. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Overcast. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Rain. Low:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.;
19:35 <KathrynM> weird weather. but I'll take it over the 90F it usually is
19:41 <Soul_keeper> :)
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19:46 <CoderForLife> I think that's some of the hardest rain we've seen at this house
19:47 <xcamel> now?
19:47 <CoderForLife> I had a solid sheet of water coming off the bay window in the dining room
19:47 <xcamel> ouch
19:47 <CoderForLife> about 10 minutes ago
19:48 <CoderForLife> we're cutting channels in the landslide
19:48 <xcamel> looks like a pretty active front...
19:48 <CoderForLife> it was one of the move violent ones we've had lately
19:48 <xcamel> one big hook in NE ohio..
19:48 <CoderForLife> I've seen worse here, but this one was in the top 3 or 4
19:49 <xcamel> oh crap...
19:49 <xcamel> the group I've been watching has turned into a moderate complex...
19:49 <CoderForLife> I don't think we lost any trees; one lightning strike nearby sounded like it found a tree
19:50 <xcamel> hust headed in to watertown NY
19:50 <xcamel> 92% humidity right now
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20:02 <CoderForLife> no water instrusion that I can see anywhere
20:03 <CoderForLife> the gutters on the house were completely overwhelmed
20:05 <xcamel> I bet..
20:07 <xcamel> a really nasty chunk of that is headed through pittsburgh
20:07 <quail> morning CoderForLife and xcamel
20:08 <quail> this PC broke the 20K mark this morning for seti :-)
20:08 <CoderForLife> when I rebooted my F9 box, GRUB was messed up - go that back, now it seems it has pocked a new IP address - ssh and vnc both don't work - back downstairs YET AGAIN
20:17 <CoderForLife> back
20:17 <PovAddict> static IP ftw
20:17 <CoderForLife> now that's strange = eth0 was only running IPv6, not IPv4
20:17 <PovAddict> although you could have portscanned your whole network trying to find its new IP :)
20:18 <CoderForLife> the IP was correct, static
20:18 <PovAddict> ah I meant that as reply to "now it seems it has pocked a new IP address"
20:18 <PovAddict> guess that message was before you had confirmed the theory
20:18 <CoderForLife> yeah, I thought for some reason I didn't have it as static
20:19 <CoderForLife> yay - vnc now works
20:20 <CoderForLife> and ssh too
20:20 <CoderForLife> I am mystified how the box got so screwed up
20:21 <CoderForLife> grub-install wouldn't work - says it did, but no joy when rebooting
20:21 <CoderForLife> Stephen had some Super Grub thing we used to bring GRUB back to life
20:22 <CoderForLife> foggy outside now
20:22 <xcamel> got my new turkey chicks today...
20:23 <CoderForLife> I bet they're cute
20:23 <xcamel> indeed they are..
20:23 <xcamel> strange karma that they show up the day after the great fox kill
20:29 <CoderForLife> while the fox is away...
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20:48 <PovAddict> (note: I heard spreadshirt doesn't ship to US)
20:49 <CoderForLife> we are bad people
20:50 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't know a Euro from a fancy letter e
20:50 <CoderForLife> What a VAT?
20:50 <PovAddict> a VAT is... a 21% tax, here
20:50 * CoderForLife gasps
20:51 <CoderForLife> you've got an Obama too?
20:53 <CoderForLife> power out
20:54 <CoderForLife> on UPS
20:54 <CoderForLife> &ping
20:54 <Romulus> pong
20:54 <CoderForLife> yes - Internet still works!
20:59 <PovAddict> :o
20:59 <PovAddict> suggestion - suspend BOINC on as many computers as is practical
21:00 <PovAddict> less CPU usage = less power usage = more time "alive" with UPS
21:12 <CoderForLife> too much excitement for me - off toward bed
21:12 <PovAddict> gn
21:12 <CoderForLife> gn all
21:15 <xcamel> laterz..
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22:30 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977
22:30 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 65.7°F / 18.7°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 56 to 63. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 73 to 78 in the western (1 more message)
22:37 <quail> afternoon all
22:55 <zombie67> sztaki doesn't support xp64, or alternative apparently.
22:56 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12197 spray on skin
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23:19 <Soul_keeper> so who is gonna buy me my first ibm power6 ?
23:19 * Soul_keeper likes volunteers
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23:50 <Soul_keeper> hello
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23:59 <Soul_keeper> lo