IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-06-26

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01:16 <Soul_keeper> awesome !!!

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01:43 <zombie67> Thanks SK

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01:49 <efc> &weather 31088

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01:49 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 72F / 22C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds.; Thursday - Mostly sunny with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. (1 more message)

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01:54 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

01:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 63.1F / 17.3C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.41in / 995.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Becoming cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 54 to 59. Light winds.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 73 to 78 in the western valleys to 81 to 86 near the (1 more message)

01:54 <bryanUC_> &weather 43016

01:54 <Romulus> bryanUC_: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Overnight - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms mainly in the afternoon. Highs (1 more message)

01:54 <Soul_keeper> cpu running at 57c with new fans ...

01:57 <Soul_keeper> i miss 45C overclocks

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02:43 <Soul_keeper> lol, so yeah i loaded a webpage earlier and the lights in my house dimmed ...

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04:31 <mellum> Hi. I've just installed boinc, activated climatepredict.net, and it shows an ETA for the work unit of 3888 hours. Is that to be expected?

04:32 <CoderForLife> for CPDN, yes - very long running WUs

04:32 <CoderForLife> and good morning =)

04:32 <mellum> Uh. Bad idea, I would say.

04:33 <mellum> morning? it's 11:33 :)

04:33 <CoderForLife> 4:32am

04:33 <mellum> ah, nice time to hang around in IRC channels :)

04:34 <CoderForLife> not much action - only if you like being lonely

04:34 <KathrynM> or are tired from w&^

04:34 <CoderForLife> eggzackly KathrynM

04:34 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

04:35 <CoderForLife> hello to you 2

04:35 <mellum> from what?

04:35 <KathrynM> pizza is on order.  house on tv

04:35 <KathrynM> work

04:35 <CoderForLife> live is perfect

04:35 <CoderForLife> er life

04:35 <KathrynM> it's a bad word around here

04:35 <CoderForLife> w@#%

04:35 <mellum> whoops, and I said "work unit"

04:36 <CoderForLife> it's a four-letter word

04:36 <KathrynM> lol

04:36 <CoderForLife> I usually say "WU" to avoid using the word

04:36 <KathrynM> :D

04:36 <CoderForLife> it's such a hateful, demeaning word

04:36 <KathrynM> Thursday finished.  Tomorrow is Birthday Friday.  woo hoo.  I get out of teaching one class

04:37 <CoderForLife> woot

04:37 <KathrynM> plus they feed us lunch :)

04:38 <CoderForLife> hmm - I'd be suspicious of their motives then =)

04:38 <mellum> Here, every Friday is free :)

04:39 <KathrynM> I'm always suspicious of their motivies

04:39 <KathrynM> errr motives

04:39 <CoderForLife> where is "here", mellum?

04:39 <mellum> CoderForLife: Israel

04:39 <CoderForLife> ah

04:39 <KathrynM> we got the better part of the globe covered then

04:39 <CoderForLife> welcome to #boinc

04:39 <CoderForLife> I believe we do

04:40 <CoderForLife> I have a new fun fact: "Fridays are free in Israel" =)

04:41 <mellum> CoderForLife: well, you have to work on Sundays instead... basically the week is shifted by 1 day

04:41 <CoderForLife> sure

04:41 <mellum> Advantage is, calendars that start the week on Sunday suddenly make sense!

04:42 <CoderForLife> lol

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04:42 <CoderForLife> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371902,00.html

04:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6jqymz> (at www.foxnews.com)

04:43 <fishsponge_> hey people - does anyone know how to merge hosts on the boincstats account manager (BAM)? by any chance?

04:43 <KathrynM> I believe you have to do it at the individual projects fishsponge_

04:43 * CoderForLife agrees with KathrynM

04:43 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: does that mean once i've done it on individual projects (all 15 of them!) that i then have to go back to BAM and do something there?

04:44 <KathrynM> nope.

04:44 <KathrynM> you just have the let BS get the new stat export.  takes about 24 hours

04:44 <KathrynM> so nothing else for you to do

04:45 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: what happens when half the projects have the merged hosts, and half don't - what does BAM display?

04:45 <KathrynM> brb

04:45 <fishsponge_> does it display all separate hosts until the last project is merged, at which point it shows the proper merged ones?

04:45 <CoderForLife> it displays "brb"??

04:46 <KathrynM> pizza arrived :D

04:46 <CoderForLife> lol

04:47 <KathrynM> don't know fishsponge_ I don't use bam and I don't keep that close of an eye on my stats

04:49 <CoderForLife> my problem on BAM wasn't multiple hosts, it was multiple accounts, so I'm not sure either - I assume the behavior you described fishponge_ would be how it would act

04:49 <fishsponge_> KathrynM: how do i merge hosts at the project level?

04:50 <KathrynM> in your account pages

04:51 <CoderForLife> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Host_Identification_and_Merging

04:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5qjp4d> (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

04:52 <CoderForLife> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Host_identification_and_merging

04:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6mzbel> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

04:52 <KathrynM> thx CoderForLife

04:53 <CoderForLife> np KathrynM

04:54 <KathrynM> I'm busy savoring my pizza

04:54 <CoderForLife> at the bottom of the "Your computers" page, there's a link to "Merge computers by name"

04:54 * CoderForLife starts thinking about breakfast

04:56 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 76.1F / 24.5C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Muggy. Lows in the upper (1 more message)

04:56 <CoderForLife> &more

04:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;

04:57 <exco> thanks, PovAddict

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05:03 <KathrynM> lol

05:03 <KathrynM> http://darkgate.net/comic/images/ziggy/1214462117.gif

05:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5nocry> (at darkgate.net)

05:04 <CoderForLife> heh

05:08 <clusty> KathrynM, i dont get it :D

05:08 <clusty> some dry dilbert like humour?

05:09 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:09 <KathrynM> Ziggy is a brand of humor unto itself

05:10 <exco> btw, PovAddict you were right, I just went home yesterday... and now it's working

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05:29 <CoderForLife> b

05:31 <CoderForLife> how was your pizza, KathrynM?

05:33 <KathrynM> yummy in my tummy

05:35 <CoderForLife> excellent

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05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis mac

05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.

05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis osx

05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: "osx" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_macOSX_universal.zip

05:36 <godmachine81> &whatis freebsd

05:36 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.

05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis bsd

05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: Error: No factoid matches that key.

05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis linux

05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: "linux" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_ubuntu_5.10.45_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

05:37 <godmachine81> &whatis windows

05:37 <Romulus> godmachine81: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_5.10.45_windows_intelx86.exe

05:47 <xcamel> having fun?

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06:14 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel hawmps

06:20 <KathrynM> for a digital cam, my cam does half way decent video

06:20 <KathrynM> gonna record some of my classes singing tomorrow

06:24 <CoderForLife> wonderful

06:24 <CoderForLife> you said "some"

06:24 <KathrynM> some = the little kids

06:24 <CoderForLife> do you not expect the cam to survive the encounter?

06:24 <KathrynM> lol

06:25 <KathrynM> if the kids try to touch it, yeah

06:25 <CoderForLife> lol

06:25 * CoderForLife tests the virtual hosting configuration on the new server

06:26 <KathrynM> gonna get one class of 6 years old to do "Today is Monday" and one class of 5 year olds do "C is for Cookie"

06:27 <hawmps> 'lo

06:27 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps

06:27 <KathrynM> evening hawmps

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06:56 <CoderForLife> er um wb KathrynM

06:57 * CoderForLife gets his balky hosts file under XP to finally cooperate

06:58 <KathrynM_> I grew a tail

06:58 <CoderForLife> indeed

06:58 * CoderForLife gets out his carving knife

07:00 <fishsponge_> hey people - i've just rebuilt my machine, twice, and so i ended up with three versions of it on the boincstats account manager (BAM). i have merged all of the hosts on the individual project sites, so is that everything i need to do in order to get BAM to show the correct hosts?

07:01 <CoderForLife> you already have the KathrynM and CoderForLife votes... =)

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07:49 <exco> what owner and permission should folders and files generated by apache in /upload have?

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08:12 <exco> see you later

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08:29 <CoderForLife> wb wdsmia_w

08:30 <CoderForLife> another fabulous w@#% day

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08:42 <hawmps> a bit rainy...

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09:03 <fishsponge_> hey people - i've just rebuilt my machine, twice, and so i ended up with three versions of it on the boincstats account manager (BAM). i have merged all of the hosts on the individual project sites, so is that everything i need to do in order to get BAM to show the correct hosts?

09:07 <Soul_keeper> i think so, just gotta wait 24-48hrs likely for it to update

09:22 <CoderForLife> no rain here, hawmps - at least not yet - I'm off to the hardware store to get some paint for the mailbox post - very exciting

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09:31 <PovAdct_w> fishsponge_: BAM or the stats?

09:31 <PovAdct_w> for BAM, just *delete* the duplicate hosts

09:34 <fishsponge_> PovAdct_w: BAM, but if i delete the duplicate hosts, won't i lose the fact that my host already has a whole load of stats?

09:36 <CoderForLife> off to the store - wb PovAdct_w

09:36 <PovAdct_w> BAM has absolutely nothing to do with any stats

09:37 <PovAdct_w> mellum: btw, you are allowed to say "work" in the context of BOINC stuff; it's a bad word when talking about people w#$%ing

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09:49 <quail> evening all

10:41 <hawmps> 'lo Q

10:49 <quail> how are things Jay?

10:59 <hawmps> good.

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11:05 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

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11:06 <BadBarbarian> &more

11:06 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: thunderstorms in the evening. Lows 44 to 54. Southwest winds around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 78 to 86. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph with gusts to around 30 mph in the afternoon.;

11:09 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 66.5F / 19.2C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Rest of Today - Thunderstorms late in the morning...then thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall...then some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall in the (2 more messages)

11:09 <wdsmia_w> &more

11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: afternoon. High in the mid 80s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low around 70. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 20 mph in the evening.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Polk County in (1 more message)

11:09 <wdsmia_w> &more

11:09 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: effect until 10:15 AM CDT on June 26, 2008; Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Polk County in effect until 1:00 PM CDT on June 26, 2008; Flash Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 1:00 PM CDT on June 29, 2008; Flash Flood Watch for Polk County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on June 27, 2008;

11:15 <hawmps> hmmm... weathergasm...

11:16 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

11:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.3F / 12.4C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then mostly sunny. Highs 75 to 80. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 50 to 55. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Friday - Sunny...warmer. Highs 90 to 95. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)

11:16 <Tank_Master> &more

11:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:00 PM PDT on June 26, 2008;

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11:55 <CoderForLife> back for the moment

11:56 <CoderForLife> one coat of paint has been applied to the mailbox post, and lunch has been eaten

12:00 <CoderForLife> "Supreme Court says individuals have right to own guns"

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12:06 <hawmps> bingo!

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13:34 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news June 26, 2008

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14:23 <CoderForLife> &seen AFLAC

14:23 <Romulus> CoderForLife: AFLAC was last seen in #boinc 1 day, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 1 second ago: <AFLAC> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/XPletter.pdf

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15:58 <xcamel> re-hi

15:59 <wdsmia_> *lo Jay

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15:59 <xcamel> ip kills 80.95.81.39, 203.206.169.35 (Morfeus F**king Scanner)

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16:03 * CoderForLife gets vncserver running on new F9 machine - yay!

16:04 <infinisoft> Does hiding a BOINC forum thread cause everyone to be unsubscribed from it?

16:04 <PovAddict> good question; no idea

16:04 <PovAddict> I guess not

16:04 <PovAddict> nobody can post while it's hidden anyway

16:04 <PovAddict> so nobody would get notifications even if they were still subscribed

16:06 * CoderForLife blocks Morfeus

16:06 <CoderForLife> thanks xcamel

16:11 <xcamel> bigtime block

16:16 <Soul_keeper> i got an idea

16:17 <Soul_keeper> so every dozen or so seti wu's seems to complete nearly instantly, and i get like .08 credits for it,  why not make them like 10 or 20 credits to compensate for the wasted bandwidth/round-trip-time  ?

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16:17 <Soul_keeper> they do nothing but disrupt crunching

16:18 <Soul_keeper> and who is to say their value to the project is so much less than a 50 or 70 credit unit ?

16:18 <PovAddict> - it doesn't waste round-trip-time, you don't have to wait for it to download/upload before crunching another

16:18 <PovAddict> - imagine if there was a long batch of those tiny ones, people would get more credits than they should

16:18 <Soul_keeper> yes but it must start, stop, then another must be started

16:19 <Soul_keeper> then my precious bandwidth gets used ...

16:19 <xcamel> 'bleep units"

16:19 <PovAddict> how many of those do you get?

16:19 <Soul_keeper> i doubt they'd get more ... hmmm

16:19 <xcamel> about one in 70 or 80 is a pleep unit

16:19 <Soul_keeper> "overhead" would be too high i'd think

16:19 <xcamel> er bleep even

16:20 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you want those to give 10 or 20 instead of 0.08, *of course* given a long batch people would get way too many credits

16:20 <Soul_keeper> what i'm thinking is a baseline credit, like a min allowable

16:20 <CoderForLife> bbiab - going to Subway to get some sandwiches for dinner

16:21 <Soul_keeper> they do have boinc projects that grand credit for internet bandwidth right ?

16:21 <xcamel> I like their seafood sub...

16:21 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: yeah, those clearly how flawed the credit system is

16:21 <Soul_keeper> how much credit do those grant ?

16:22 <Soul_keeper> worth running ?

16:22 <PovAddict> that's exactly why it's flawed... they shouldn't be any more "worth running" than any other project

16:23 <PovAddict> but actually, no matter how little credits they give, running both a network project and a CPU project would increase your global RAC

16:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah but bandwidth is still a limited resource

16:24 <PovAddict> yeah but you're still getting more RAC than other people

16:24 <Soul_keeper> will you feel the same way once they get GPU projects running in boinc ?

16:24 <PovAddict> and who decides if 1 minute of CPU should give less or more credits than 1MB of data transfer?

16:25 <PovAddict> I hope the credit system is changed before GPU projects come

16:25 <PovAddict> otherwise it will be a mess

16:25 <Soul_keeper> probably the same people that decide how to calculate 1 minute of cpu time's value accross multiple different systems

16:25 <PovAddict> no, that's based on benchmarks

16:26 <PovAddict> far-from-perfect benchmarks but still

16:26 <Soul_keeper> exactely and a decision was made when writing the code

16:26 <PovAddict> it's linear (in theory); if your computer is twice as slow, you get twice less per CPU second

16:27 <Soul_keeper> ok but if the program you run is memory intensive, hard drive intensive, etc.   then it's all worthless

16:28 <PovAddict> it's only a problem if two computers have similar CPU speed but greatly different memory bandwidth, or something

16:28 <Soul_keeper> so basically you think certain hardware should be excluded from boinc compatibility ?

16:28 <PovAddict> huh??

16:28 <Soul_keeper> like internet

16:28 <PovAddict> no

16:28 <Soul_keeper> i don't see where you are going with things

16:28 <PovAddict> the only sane way to make credits work correctly with different resources and optimized apps etc. is keeping credits within a project

16:29 <Soul_keeper> so that's what you want to happen ?

16:30 <PovAddict> it's unlikely to happen by now, as it'd be hard to convert the credits people already have

16:30 <PovAddict> but still: I think the best way is each project deciding how many credits they want to give

16:31 <Soul_keeper> i was thinking yesterday, at some point they are likely gonna have to reset this thing, starting credit from scratch,  what's your thoughts on that ?

16:31 <PovAddict> comparing credits across projects would become meaningless

16:32 <PovAddict> if I have 100 credits in one project and 200 in another, it would be meaningless since one gives 1 credit per day and another 1 per hour

16:32 <PovAddict> and another gives 10 per WU no matter how long it was

16:32 <Didactylos> Just one reason why I'm a single-project cruncher.

16:32 <PovAddict> BUT you can still compete with other users within the project

16:32 <PovAddict> and you can compete for *rank* between projects

16:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm highly tempted to drop a low credit granting project

16:33 <PovAddict> with per-project credits you wouldn't be

16:33 <PovAddict> why do you care if a project gives less credits/day than another? because it affects how fast your total credits increase, right?

16:33 <Didactylos> You know - I agree. Cross-project credit was a mistake.

16:33 <Soul_keeper> i still like the seti classic way of doing things, but everything changes i suppose ...

16:34 <Didactylos> In fact, all the cross-project features have been disasters.

16:34 <Didactylos> Credit, preferences, teams - disasters.

16:34 <PovAddict> ...right?

16:34 <PovAddict> what if there was no such thing as "total credits"?

16:34 <Soul_keeper> then i wouldn't be motivated

16:35 <Soul_keeper> i'd probably turn my pc off more than once every few months :)

16:35 <PovAddict> yes, you can compete for being in the top-100 on every project

16:35 <PovAddict> rank is still important even if every project defines their own credit unit (with different orders of magnitude)

16:36 <PovAddict> I have made more than once the analogy with video games

16:36 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: do you play WoW? I recall you did

16:36 <Soul_keeper> no i don't

16:36 <PovAddict> (or was it someone else here)

16:37 <Soul_keeper> yeah someone but i forget who

16:37 <Soul_keeper> i play  UT

16:37 <Soul_keeper> i see what you're saying tho

16:37 <PovAddict> do you play any other online game?

16:37 <Soul_keeper> not really

16:38 <Soul_keeper> i "look at" other online games occasionally

16:38 <Soul_keeper> just to see the graphics, that's about it

16:38 <PovAddict> do you think it makes any sense to add UT points/level/whatever with the points/level/whatever of another game and say "I have this many total points"?

16:38 <Soul_keeper> quake4, doom3, some flight sims   are examples of this

16:39 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, i mostly only pay attention to per game points

16:39 <PovAddict> there you go

16:39 <Soul_keeper> cause i can have bad weeks and stuff ...

16:39 <PovAddict> it doesn't make sense to add points from different games because they obviously don't give the same credits per hour of gameplay :)

16:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah

16:40 <Soul_keeper> but you still like boinc right ?

16:40 <PovAddict> and you may be good at one game while another person sucks at it and is better at another... just like 32/64bit and ABC@Home, 64 bit is better at that game

16:40 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

16:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm the best at seti and einstein

16:41 <Soul_keeper> wcg  gives half the credit they do

16:42 <PovAddict> with per-project credits, David Anderson would get exactly what he wants: people scattering their CPU time among different projects

16:42 <PovAddict> think about it.... in what projects it's the easiest to get a high rank?

16:43 <Soul_keeper> yeah

16:43 <xcamel> wow - big line of storms building...

16:43 <PovAddict> "high-paying" projects? of course not, everybody else would get "high-paid" too

16:43 <Soul_keeper> problem is i really like running boinc, because it has cancer/aids research

16:43 <Soul_keeper> wcg*

16:44 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

16:44 <PovAddict> where would you go if you wanted a high rank?

16:44 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 75.3F / 24.1C | Humidity: 56% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 56 to 63. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 73 to 78 in the western valleys (1 more message)

16:44 <Soul_keeper> seti/einstein

16:44 <xcamel> seti/einstein/reisel/qmc

16:44 <xcamel> abc not so much

16:45 <Soul_keeper> RAC goes from  1300-1600    up to like 3000-5000

16:45 <PovAddict> high rank, not high credits; what chance do you have of being in the top-10 of SETI? you'd need 27 million credits

16:46 <Soul_keeper> good point

16:46 <Soul_keeper> i'm mostly just comparing my boinc credit to you people for reference

16:46 <PovAddict> top 1 in SETI has 460 million, top 1 in MilkyWay has 3 million

16:46 <PovAddict> so if I wanted to be in top 1, I'd surely not even *try* SETI

16:46 <xcamel> Current Credit: 8,490,435.44

16:47 <PovAddict> so if you want a high rank, the best project to be in is the one with the least users...

16:47 <Soul_keeper> 1,048,666.75

16:47 <PovAddict> but if everyone thinks that, that one project will have a big user increase... and another will be the "project with least users"

16:48 <xcamel> BOINC World position based on credit:  incremental update)321 out of 1,409,508

16:48 <xcamel> highest ever was #22 back in '04

16:48 <Soul_keeper> i'm loyal to seti tho, i can't see myself using less than half my cpu cycles on it regardless of the credit system

16:48 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: same here, if I wasn't getting any credits,

16:48 <PovAddict> er

16:48 <PovAddict> (wanted to press backspace, not Enter)

16:49 <PovAddict> I personally know what it feels like to wait for long computations to finish

16:49 <PovAddict> so then I'm unconfortable seeing an idle CPU :P

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16:50 <Soul_keeper> My Current Ranking:  2,613

16:50 <Soul_keeper> i guess i'm doing pretty good in WCG

16:51 <PovAddict> according to BOINCStats I'm #52147 in WCG :D

16:51 <PovAddict> hmm I just noticed a case where my idea goes backwards...

16:52 <Didactylos> Maybe WCG could push through a change, and unlink the BOINC credits....

16:52 <Didactylos> all they need to do is export credit using their old scale.

16:52 <PovAddict> if I wanted my rank to be > 1000 in all projects, I'd start crunching on the one I have a *lowest* rank (highest rank number, lowest credit compared to other users in that project)

16:52 <Didactylos> Multiply everything by seven.

16:53 <PovAddict> Didactylos: no, that'd explode... first stats sites need to stop adding up credits from different projects

16:53 <Didactylos> Once the shouting is over, BOINC credits will be well and truly per project, not cross-project.

16:53 <Didactylos> PovAddict: WCG have a hard choice ahead, and whatever they do people will be unhappy.

16:54 <Soul_keeper> einstein won't tell me my rank within it's project

16:55 <PovAddict> if WCG gives 7x more credits than the rest of projects, crunching WCG would give 7x faster-increasing cross-project total

16:55 <PovAddict> so first we have to get rid of "cross-project total"

16:56 <PovAddict> wow a new 6.2 linux release

16:57 <KathrynM> Probably only because I bugged Rom :)

16:57 <KathrynM> I said "Pretty Please"

16:57 <PovAddict> hey K

16:57 <KathrynM> mornin PovAddict

17:01 <Soul_keeper> #7247   in einstein

17:01 <xcamel> 'lo Kat

17:01 <KathrynM> hiya xcamel

17:01 <KathrynM> It's only 6 am.  I'm going back to bed.  But TGIF!

17:02 <xcamel> 6am is when I leave for work...

17:02 <xcamel> usually...

17:04 <Soul_keeper> #8567   in seti

17:05 <Soul_keeper> #2,613 in wcg

17:05 <Soul_keeper> so basically the more i do the projects the lower my ranking

17:06 <CoderForLife> back

17:06 <PovAddict> not really

17:06 <PovAddict> there's just more people with heavy hardware doing seti than einstein

17:06 <Soul_keeper> then where is he ?

17:07 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, no you misunderstood me,  my ranking is lower in the projects i spend my cpu cycles on

17:07 <Soul_keeper> just an observation, the rest we both know ...

17:07 <Soul_keeper> more*

17:07 <PovAddict> that's bad luck, you spend your CPU cycles on the "hardest" projects? :P

17:07 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah

17:08 <Soul_keeper> wcg has a nice little stats page for their own project

17:08 <PovAddict> what's your boinc username?

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17:11 <Soul_keeper> sterlingp

17:11 <Soul_keeper> sterling   for all my other projects but it was taken in wcg

17:13 <Soul_keeper> i think i might join some of those  "challenges"

17:15 <Soul_keeper> looks like i joined some around xmas, i got smoked, i didn't even know i had joined them

17:17 <Soul_keeper> i need to go to the bank and put a grand in bbl  :)

17:17 * PovAddict sticks a paper saying ">Bank<" on his hand

17:18 <PovAddict> also, you passed 2^20 credits

17:19 <PovAddict> your next geeky milestone should be the number of bytes in a floppy disk

17:21 <mwalling> &calc 1.44*1024^2

17:21 <Romulus> mwalling: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

17:21 <mwalling> &google calc 1.44*1024^2

17:21 <Romulus> mwalling: 1.44 * (1,024^2) = 1,509,949.44

17:21 <PovAddict> nope, I remember the amount by heart

17:21 <PovAddict> 1457664

17:22 <PovAddict> &math calc 1457664 / 1024

17:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1423.5

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17:52 <desti> http://www.eads.net/web/pressdbdata/de/1024/content/OF00000040950509/5/15/42216155.jpg

17:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6qwwsw> (at www.eads.net)

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18:30 <Soul_keeper> yo

18:31 <Soul_keeper> any of you own a phenom x4 ?

18:33 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249   i'd be all over that if it was 45nm

18:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6mbhkk> (at www.newegg.com)

18:33 <Soul_keeper> 125watts is a bit intense for my climate

18:35 <CoderForLife> some feisty t-storm cells moving in

18:36 <Soul_keeper> cool

18:36 <Soul_keeper> time to take the lappy/webcam on the roof again ?

18:40 <CoderForLife> penny size hail would cause me to forego the first-hand reporting

18:41 <CoderForLife> yeah, I'm just not man enough

18:42 <CoderForLife> the storm cells are individually moving north-east; the whole front is advancing slowly eastward, at maybe 25 miles per hour

18:44 <PovAddict> &math convert 25 mph kph

18:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: 40.2336

18:44 <CoderForLife> The Slow Drift of Death

18:46 <CoderForLife> Stephen is home - time to eat - bbl

18:46 <Soul_keeper> top of the line amd quad core build would cost me 650 bucks

18:47 <Soul_keeper> i bet you'd get struck my lighting if you were on your roof with a laptop during a storm ...

18:51 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/university-home-work,5765.html

18:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5q7l4t> (at www.tomshardware.com)

18:51 <Soul_keeper> lol get your college degree's now at 10 bucks an assignment

18:56 <xcamel> re-back

19:03 <quail> morning all

19:03 <quail> &wx ypad

19:03 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM CST; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

19:08 <Soul_keeper> thank god for the 2nd amendment !!!

19:08 <quail> thank god it is friday :-)

19:09 <Soul_keeper> friday is tomarrow here

19:11 <quail> Fri Jun 27 08:41:40 CST 2008

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19:25 <CoderForLife> this front is strong

19:26 <CoderForLife> lots lots of lightning

19:27 <wdsmia> sounds like last night here

19:28 <CoderForLife> wow close

19:29 <CoderForLife> lots of cicada-weakened falls branches/leaves

19:29 <Soul_keeper> you are being punished by the global warming gods for buying too many pc's

19:32 <PovAddict> unfair gods

19:32 <PovAddict> you should be punished more than him, Soul_keeper :)

19:32 <KathrynM> I should turn in my #boinc membership...

19:32 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:33 <KathrynM> I was dreaming about w&^% when the alarm went off

19:33 <PovAddict> o.0

19:34 <KathrynM> was dreaming about having a discussion about the weather with one of my classes.

19:34 <KathrynM> &weather Ulsan

19:34 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Overcast. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Overcast. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Rain. Low:60 F. / 16 C.;

19:35 <KathrynM> weird weather.  but I'll take it over the 90F it usually is

19:41 <Soul_keeper> :)

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19:46 <CoderForLife> I think that's some of the hardest rain we've seen at this house

19:47 <xcamel> now?

19:47 <CoderForLife> I had a solid sheet of water coming off the bay window in the dining room

19:47 <xcamel> ouch

19:47 <CoderForLife> about 10 minutes ago

19:48 <CoderForLife> we're cutting channels in the landslide

19:48 <xcamel> looks like a pretty active front...

19:48 <CoderForLife> it was one of the move violent ones we've had lately

19:48 <xcamel> one big hook in NE ohio..

19:48 <CoderForLife> I've seen worse here, but this one was in the top 3 or 4

19:49 <xcamel> oh crap...

19:49 <xcamel> the group I've been watching has turned into a moderate complex...

19:49 <CoderForLife> I don't think we lost any trees; one lightning strike nearby sounded like it found a  tree

19:50 <xcamel> hust headed in to watertown NY

19:50 <xcamel> 92% humidity right now

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20:02 <CoderForLife> no water instrusion that I can see anywhere

20:03 <CoderForLife> the gutters on the house were completely overwhelmed

20:05 <xcamel> I bet..

20:07 <xcamel> a really nasty chunk of that is headed through pittsburgh

20:07 <quail> morning CoderForLife and xcamel

20:08 <quail> this PC broke the 20K mark this morning for seti :-)

20:08 <CoderForLife> when I rebooted my F9 box, GRUB was messed up - go that back, now it seems it has pocked a new IP address - ssh and vnc both don't work - back downstairs YET AGAIN

20:17 <CoderForLife> back

20:17 <PovAddict> static IP ftw

20:17 <CoderForLife> now that's strange = eth0 was only running IPv6, not IPv4

20:17 <PovAddict> although you could have portscanned your whole network trying to find its new IP :)

20:18 <CoderForLife> the IP was correct, static

20:18 <PovAddict> ah I meant that as reply to "now it seems it has pocked a new IP address"

20:18 <PovAddict> guess that message was before you had confirmed the theory

20:18 <CoderForLife> yeah, I thought for some reason I didn't have it as static

20:19 <CoderForLife> yay - vnc now works

20:20 <CoderForLife> and ssh too

20:20 <CoderForLife> I am mystified how the box got so screwed up

20:21 <CoderForLife> grub-install wouldn't work - says it did, but no joy when rebooting

20:21 <CoderForLife> Stephen had some Super Grub thing we used to bring GRUB back to life

20:22 <CoderForLife> foggy outside now

20:22 <xcamel> got my new turkey chicks today...

20:23 <CoderForLife> I bet they're cute

20:23 <xcamel> indeed they are..

20:23 <xcamel> strange karma that they show up the day after the great fox kill

20:29 <CoderForLife> while the fox is away...

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20:47 <PovAddict> http://334164.spreadshirt.net/en/EU/Shop/Index/index

20:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6dfu9j> (at 334164.spreadshirt.net)

20:48 <PovAddict> (note: I heard spreadshirt doesn't ship to US)

20:49 <CoderForLife> we are bad people

20:50 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't know a Euro from a fancy letter e

20:50 <CoderForLife> What a VAT?

20:50 <PovAddict> a VAT is... a 21% tax, here

20:50 * CoderForLife gasps

20:51 <CoderForLife> you've got an Obama too?

20:53 <CoderForLife> power out

20:54 <CoderForLife> on UPS

20:54 <CoderForLife> &ping

20:54 <Romulus> pong

20:54 <CoderForLife> yes - Internet still works!

20:59 <PovAddict> :o

20:59 <PovAddict> suggestion - suspend BOINC on as many computers as is practical

21:00 <PovAddict> less CPU usage = less power usage = more time "alive" with UPS

21:02 <PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAT#Non-EU_countries

21:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m2aws> (at en.wikipedia.org)

21:12 <CoderForLife> too much excitement for me - off toward bed

21:12 <PovAddict> gn

21:12 <CoderForLife> gn all

21:15 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:30 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

22:30 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 65.7F / 18.7C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 56 to 63. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 73 to 78 in the western (1 more message)

22:37 <quail> afternoon all

22:55 <zombie67> sztaki doesn't support xp64, or alternative apparently.

22:56 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12197     spray on skin

22:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6h3j4b> (at www.dailytech.com)

23:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.break.com/index/death-metal-puppy.html

23:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2qgvqz> (at www.break.com)

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23:19 <Soul_keeper> so who is gonna buy me my first ibm power6 ?

23:19 * Soul_keeper likes volunteers

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23:50 <Soul_keeper> hello

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23:59 <Soul_keeper> lo

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