IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-06-27

00:00 * Soul_keeper is down with the irconics

00:00 <efc> Moo

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00:24 <Soul_keeper> so what's new ?

00:44 <MTughan> 'lo SK

00:57 <MTughan> Well, let you all know... Gonna be gone for two and a half weeks. So don't be worried when I disappear for a while.

00:57 <MTughan> And I know this is a disappointment, but no BOINC crunching while I'm away.

00:58 <MTughan> Oh... And my dad got an Eee. Pretty cool, quite small.

00:59 <MTughan> 900MHz Celeron M with 1GB of RAM, but it's got the fastest startup sequence I've ever seen. Probably about 10-15 seconds.

00:59 <MTughan> And it's still pretty fast...

01:00 <Soul_keeper> :)

01:00 <MTughan> And no, I will not use it for IRC on the trip.

01:00 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm happy with mine, well worth the pocket change

01:00 <MTughan> We were going to bring my Mac, but after we brought it out of lockdown ( :( ), we discovered the logic board had died. Again.

01:01 <MTughan> So Apple's going to replace it and I'll pick it up after the trip.

01:01 <MTughan> What he suspects is that it could be the aftermarket RAM I put it. Any idea how RAM could wreck a MB?

01:02 <Soul_keeper> doubtfull

01:02 <Soul_keeper> the psu can tho

01:03 <MTughan> But the PSU is stock.

01:03 <MTughan> The only stuff I've upgraded is the RAM from 512MB to 2GB, and the HD from a 5400rpm 60GB drive to a 7200rpm 160GB drive.

01:05 <efc> remoo

01:05 <MTughan> 'lo e

01:10 <MTughan> All right, I'm shutting 'er down. See you all.

01:10 <Soul_keeper> late

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02:25 <efc> I think I finally figured it out, need to keep HT, but only use one thread for BOINC..

02:48 <efc> my other computer seems to have recovered from me blowing away hal.dll

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04:43 <quail> wow my pc is going to be busy for a while as it has 319 seti WU's a waiting compitation

05:18 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 67.8F / 19.9C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs around 90. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the (1 more message)

05:18 <CoderForLife> &more

05:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then mostly cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely after midnight. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Saturday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Humid with highs in the mid 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

05:44 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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06:15 <KathrynM> bbiab...  gotta go to Windows.

06:15 <KathrynM> See ya on the flip side

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06:27 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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06:30 <KathrynM> wow

06:30 <KathrynM> I don't like IceChat

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06:38 <CoderForLife> Ice not nice?

06:38 <KathrynM> ugly and unintuitive

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06:41 <CoderForLife> you're just hopelessly biased

06:49 <KathrynM> Gotta reboot for Windows updates.  I'm not going to restart IceChat.  See y'all when I'm finally back in Fedora.  While I'm playing around with stuff, I guess I can try to upgrade to F8 or possibly F9 too.

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06:56 <hawmps> TGIF

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07:39 <CoderForLife> indeed hawmps

07:40 <CoderForLife> last vacation day for me - A/C guy coming at 10 to check things out

07:42 <CoderForLife> I should be able to switch Internet access to the new F9 machine later today

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11:07 <CoderForLife> wb PovAdct_w

11:07 <CoderForLife> u2 wdsmia_w

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11:27 <hawmps> seems like our local issuing judge has no intention of complying with the "Heller Decision"....

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12:11 <XATRIX> hi...i've got a problem

12:12 <XATRIX> i have 4 core xeon, but my boinc uses only 2 cores at a time

12:12 <XATRIX> not 4 at the same time

12:12 <PovAdct_w> what project(s)?

12:12 <XATRIX> where should i "dig" for ? :)

12:12 <XATRIX> seti

12:13 <PovAdct_w> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global what does it say next to "On multiprocessors, use at most"?

12:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5fdpek> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

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12:16 <XATRIX> PovAdct_w> so...i've changed the value to 8

12:16 <XATRIX> what should i do next to make my boinc use more proc ?

12:16 <XATRIX> just restart ?

12:17 <PovAdct_w> go to the Projects tab, click on SETI@Home, click Update

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12:38 <zombie67> I am at 105% at Reversi

12:38 <PovAdct_w> huh?

12:38 <zombie67> The task is showing 105%

12:38 <PovAdct_w> Reversi?

12:38 <PovAdct_w> how you dare not tell me of new projects :)

12:39 <zombie67> http://dawn.ynet.sk/test1/

12:39 <Romulus> Title: Reversi (at dawn.ynet.sk)

12:39 <zombie67> there.  told you.  ;)

12:39 <PovAdct_w> I love ssh

12:39 * PovAdct_w attaches his home computer

12:40 <zombie67> I use it every day at work

12:41 <zombie67> wily just added a couple new projects to BAM

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12:46 <zombie67> i have an orbit task that has run for 142 hours, and is at only 54%.  And this is on my 8-way mac

12:46 <zombie67> longer than some CPDN tasks

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12:50 <zombie67> POV, did you hear my PS3 broke 1M credits earlier this month?  That took about 11 months total.

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12:52 <dizzie> Hello

12:53 <hawmps> 'lo

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13:01 <CoderForLife> seems like your judge is showing his true stripes, hawmps, not complying with the law of the land, or the Constitution even

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13:07 <CoderForLife> wb freelarry

13:08 <zombie67> my 240k credits at CPDN Beta 2 finally got added to my CPDN account.  This will probably make my #1 day on BOINCstats.

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13:09 <CoderForLife> welcome to paradise, zombie67

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13:22 <quail> man theses mini baguettes I have to snack on are very yummy and they are tomato and chilli

13:23 <quail> and they made by helga's

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13:23 <CoderForLife> whatever Helga wants, Helga gets

13:23 <quail> hehe

13:24 <quail> they are very yummy little bread sticks

13:29 <quail> CoderForLife: howdy Don, how are you bloke?

13:30 <CoderForLife> on a bug hunt, ATM

13:30 <quail> oh

13:31 <CoderForLife> just moved my new F9 server to the Internet - web sites, e=mail

13:31 <quail> the garlic steak I had tonight is working big time on my bottom :-/

13:32 <CoderForLife> ah, I see a problem

13:32 <quail> CoderForLife: my room stinks?

13:33 <quail> and my hair curling from the stench?

13:34 <quail> CoderForLife: and I have peppered steak for suppa tomorrow night

13:34 <CoderForLife> I'll be there

13:35 <quail> with my bottom?

13:35 <quail> CoderForLife: you are brave

13:36 <quail> CoderForLife: it is rump steak too

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13:40 <quail> CoderForLife: you more than welcome to my place for suppa

13:41 <CoderForLife> only if I get this greylisting milter running properly under F9

13:42 <CoderForLife> Secuirty Is Rarely Convenient (TM)

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13:52 <CoderForLife> hooray

13:54 <quail> :-)

13:58 <PovAdct_w> got it working? :)

14:03 <CoderForLife> nearly, so it seems

14:03 <CoderForLife> I just realized that there is a problem between sendmail and milter-greylist having to do with the socket

14:03 <CoderForLife> either wrong location, or Security

14:05 <CoderForLife> Sendmail says: "Milter (greylist): local socket name /var/milter-greylist/milter-greylist.sock unsafe"

14:05 <PovAdct_w> -> home

14:05 <CoderForLife> which means that it can't find it

14:06 <CoderForLife> safe travels

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14:07 <CoderForLife> that's because it's at /var/run/milter-greylist/milter-greylist.sock

14:07 * CoderForLife edits sendmail.cf

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14:22 <hawmps> ...sendmail is hellspawn...

14:24 <dizzie> Sendmail is the spawn of satan :)

14:31 <CoderForLife> Sendmail works for me - works hard - no muss, no fuss

14:31 <CoderForLife> I *like* it

14:31 <CoderForLife> It juste needed to know where the socket for milter-greylist was

14:32 <CoderForLife> the greylisting default config file had some things that would not work

14:33 * quail thinking about taking his holden gemini rally car out for a thrash tomorrow

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14:49 <hawmps> postfix/spamassassin is a better choice

14:50 <CoderForLife> sendmail works for me =)

14:51 <CoderForLife> am I am thinking about spamassassin

14:53 <quail> exim4!!!

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14:59 <CoderForLife> sendmail works great for me

15:09 <CoderForLife> sendmail is *still* working great for me

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15:24 <CoderForLife> Well, would you look at that - sendmail is *still* working great for me

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> re

15:29 <CoderForLife> hello yoyo[RKN]

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> my new app dies just after start with Maximum CPU time exceeded

15:30 <CoderForLife> looping?

15:30 <yoyo[RKN]> no

15:30 <yoyo[RKN]> it runs only 1 second

15:31 <CoderForLife> config problem then?

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15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> no

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> is only the next cruncher version

15:43 <yoyo[RKN]> I made no changes in server or wu config

15:46 <desti> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1214585919466.jpg

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16:01 <Tank_Master> yoyo - job security

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16:06 <yoyo[RKN]> ? Tank_Master

16:07 <Tank_Master> getting your app to work the way you want to quick and you may not have anything to do...

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16:33 <xcamel> ip kills >> 75.101.241.204

16:36 <Tank_Master> s? kills?

16:36 <xcamel> spammers/hackers

16:36 <Tank_Master> yeah, but you only have one IP... :P

16:36 <xcamel> I thought there was two..

16:37 <xcamel> but only one.

16:40 <zombie67> there are only 365 PS3s crunching BOINC (probably includes some dupes).  But those 365 rank 124th in CPU breakdown, by total credit.

16:40 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/stats/host_cpu_stats.php?pr=bo&teamid=&st=100&or=

16:40 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5l8vrw> (at boincstats.com)

16:40 <zombie67> Check out the "Average credit

16:40 <zombie67> per CPU second" column

16:40 <zombie67> massive difference

16:42 <PovAddict> that's quite meaningless

16:42 <PovAddict> the credits given by ps3grid are arbitrary

16:42 <zombie67> no they aren't

16:42 <PovAddict> there is no way they can match normal credits because the CPU works in a totally different way

16:42 <PovAddict> does the benchmark use the SPEs?

16:43 <desti> who cares about boinc benchmarks?

16:44 <PovAddict> how can ps3grid decide how many credits to give to PS3s?

16:44 <PovAddict> projects with fixed credits try to keep their credits/hour close to what the benchmarks would give; ps3grid has no other project to compare with

16:45 <desti> compare it with the pc version

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16:47 <zombie67> they built and ran the app on a single-core opteron, then re-wrote it to run on Cell.  The speed up was something like 16x.  So that is the benchmark that the use for awarding credits

16:49 <zombie67> they even used to have the linux/PC application available, but have since removed it from the applicaiton page

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16:56 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict: ?

16:56 <Romulus> It has been said that PovAddict: is all the work gone, yoyo[RKN]

16:56 <PovAddict> boo

16:56 <yoyo[RKN]> http://boinc.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/result.php?resultid=1056932

16:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6k3ucl> (at boinc.rechenkraft.net)

16:56 <KathrynM> holda

16:56 <KathrynM> errr

16:56 <KathrynM> hola

16:56 <KathrynM> wanna laugh PovAddict?

16:56 <yoyo[RKN]> I tried a new app version which crashed just after start in boinc, but works well in standalone mode

16:57 <PovAddict> yoyo: strange error to give - you sure your max CPU is OK?

16:57 <PovAddict> pastebin the messages tab from when it crashed

16:57 <PovAddict> hey KathrynM

16:57 <PovAddict> kinda busy

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16:58 <KathrynM> gah, I hate icechat

16:58 <zombie67> ah!  Also, you can do a direct comparison at yoyo, PS3 vs normal PC CPU.

16:58 <KathrynM> you think that clicking a link would ya know, open it in the browser

16:58 <PovAddict> zombie67: I wonder that too; how do yoyo PS3 credits compare to ps3grid?

16:58 <desti> 안녕

16:59 <KathrynM> oh my.  interesting PovAddict

17:03 <CoderForLife> back

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17:03 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

17:03 <CoderForLife> welcome home PovAddict

17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : http://yoyo.pastebin.com/m1faca189

17:06 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife

17:06 <KathrynM> Still in Vista.  Still hating IceChat

17:07 <KathrynM> CoderForLife:  http://esladventures.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/c-is-for-cookie/

17:07 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: was the app just started, for the first time, from 0?

17:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6znsrm> (at esladventures.wordpress.com)

17:08 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it might be your wrapper is reporting bad CPU time

17:08 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

17:09 <PovAddict> remember the wrapper *somehow* gets the real app's CPU time and reports it back

17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> it starts the very first time and aborts in less than 2 seconds

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> can i debug this

17:11 <zombie67> POV:  yoyo credits are about 1800-2000/day.  PS3GRID credits are about 3800/day.

17:13 <zombie67> I guess the question is:  how optimized are the PC versions of the apps?  As I assume the PS3 version of the apps are already as optimized as possible.

17:13 <yoyo[RKN]> the yoyo apps?

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17:17 <zombie67> the yoyo app that also runs on the PS3.

17:19 <yoyo[RKN]> the cruncher app is very very good optimized. Internaly there are many cores and depending on your cpu properties the best core is choosen. The cores are mainly written in assembler.

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17:28 <yoyo[RKN]> now it is working, PovAddict, a var was not proper initialized

17:31 <zombie67> so that probably account for the smaller difference in credits.  The PS3GRID PS3 app was so much faster than the PC app, because it wasn't optimized very much.

17:34 <xcamel> back again

17:34 <CoderForLife> wb

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17:58 <CoderForLife> wb wdsmia

18:00 <xcamel> well well... looks like I'm in for a little legal fun here...

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18:21 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

18:21 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 68.4°F / 20.2°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 13.2mph / 21.2km/h | Updated: 7:21 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 13C(55F).; Saturday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. High (1 more message)

18:21 <Rookie_69> &more

18:21 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 15C(59F) except 21C(70F) inland. UV index 7 or high. Saturday night cloudy. A few showers beginning in the evening. Fog patches developing in the evening. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 13C(55F).; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud with 60 percent chance of showers. High 19C(66F).;

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18:28 <Rookie_69> &wx yhz

18:28 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy. Fog patches developing overnight. Low 13C(55F).; Saturday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. High 15C(59F) except (1 more message)

18:28 <Rookie_69> &more

18:28 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 21C(70F) inland. UV index 7 or high. Saturday night cloudy. A few showers beginning in the evening. Fog patches developing in the evening. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 13C(55F).; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud with 60 percent chance of showers. High 19C(66F).;

18:30 <Rookie_69> Not much difference although they're about a million inches apart...

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18:33 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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18:34 <Rookie_69> Baa.

18:35 <wdsmia> get you sheep away from the keyboard Glenn

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18:36 <Rookie_69> Baa.

18:36 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 86.5F / 30.3C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Numerous thunderstorms in the evening. Low in the lower 60s. West wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 60 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny. A 30 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. High in the mid (2 more messages)

18:36 <efc> Hey

18:36 <wdsmia> &more

18:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: 70s. West wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the evening. Low around 60. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 1:00 PM CDT on June 30, 2008; Flash Flood Watch for Polk County in effect (1 more message)

18:36 <wdsmia> &more

18:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: until 7:00 PM CDT on June 27, 2008;

18:42 <xcamel> 77F and 71% humidity

18:44 <Rookie_69> Sticky enough for you?

18:46 <xcamel> plenty..

18:47 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

18:47 <xcamel> Hi Doug, Glenn

18:47 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay, Eddie.

18:50 <xcamel> guess I really need to go open those windows upstairs

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18:51 <Rookie_69> Doug says, "I wonder if they got my ISP fixed." as his connection goes dead... I guess not.

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19:01 <jackygrahamez__> &wx 20011

19:01 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: Temperature: 81.7F / 27.6C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.76in / 1007.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely this evening. Some thunderstorms may be severe with damaging winds and frequent lightning. Lows in the lower 70s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain (2 more messages)

19:01 <jackygrahamez__> anybody home?

19:02 <PovAddict> no

19:02 <jackygrahamez__> ok I guess I'll go home

19:02 <jackygrahamez__> oh wait that's where I am

19:03 <jackygrahamez__> oh shoot thunder...don't want to get electricuted

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19:16 <jackygrahamez__> I've had a little problems with VS C++ 2008 on my home pc

19:16 <jackygrahamez__> does not like to compile boinc source

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19:22 <Soul_keeper> lo

19:23 <Rookie_69> hi.

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19:25 <CoderForLife> &seen FreeLarry

19:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: FreeLarry was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <freelarry> nooo - drink a lot of water this am

19:26 <CoderForLife> &seen freelarry58

19:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: freelarry58 was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <FreeLarry58> well finally got the laptop back on and security reset on router wireless access

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19:26 <CoderForLife> wdsmia hates his ISP

19:26 <PovAddict> we all know

19:26 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:27 <wdsmia> yes he does

19:27 <xcamel> yummy coffee

19:28 * CoderForLife looks at the logs of his F9 machine handling Internet traffic

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19:31 <CoderForLife> sendmail is *still* working great for me

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19:33 * xcamel notes postfix has never been hacked...

19:33 <CoderForLife> wdsmia hates his ISP even more than before

19:33 <CoderForLife> never publically reported as having been hacked?

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19:35 <CoderForLife> lots of Google links to people asking if their postfix has been hacked....

19:37 <CoderForLife> DoS vulnerability fixed in SuSE

19:38 <CoderForLife> "every piece of code has at least 7 bugs" - someone, somewhere

19:39 <CoderForLife> "Bill Gates bids farewell with tears" - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25417555/

19:39 <Romulus> Title: Bill Gates bids farewell with tears - U.S. business- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

19:40 <jackygrahamez__> But doesn't Bill Gates retire every 5 years?

19:40 <CoderForLife> he re-makes himself - like Madonna

19:41 <jackygrahamez__> I'd rather sleep with Madona

19:41 <CoderForLife> she'll be available soon

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19:43 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: http://www.codeproject.com/News.aspx?nwid=6926

19:43 <Romulus> Title: Full text: An epic Bill Gates e-mail rant (at www.codeproject.com)

19:53 <CoderForLife> sounds like an e-mail that I would write to our developers at w@#%

19:56 <Soul_keeper> what version of boinc do you guys recommend for a first time boincer ?

19:58 <PovAddict> 5.10.45, the latest "stable" (ha)

19:59 <Rookie_69> Neigh!

19:59 <Rookie_69> Moo

20:00 <Rookie_69> Baa

20:00 <Rookie_69> Oh... Different stable.

20:01 * KathrynM looks through CDs.

20:02 * KathrynM notes that a 64 bit cd ain't gonna work on a x86 system

20:02 * KathrynM goes back to Fedora to burn proper cd

20:02 <KathrynM> see ya on the flip side

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20:02 * PovAddict points at quit message

20:02 <PovAddict> what she said.

20:04 <Soul_keeper> :)

20:04 <wdsmia> lol

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20:18 * Rookie_69 would like to be that better idiot.

20:20 * Rookie_69 equates wave action on the Des Moines River with Doug's drop-outs.

20:21 <Rookie_69> ... Lake Des Moines???

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20:25 <CoderForLife> I'm off to DreamLand to dream about Code

20:25 <CoderForLife> gn

20:26 <wdsmia> wonder if he dreams in binary

20:26 <xcamel> probably hex

20:27 * wdsmia has nightmares in base 32

20:27 <Rookie_69> ... Do warlocks dream in Hex?

20:28 <Rookie_69> 42!

20:29 <wdsmia> the mouse did it

20:30 <Rookie_69> Not mice... Pangalactic Beings...

20:33 <CoderForLife> there are 10 kinds of people - those that dream in binary and those that don't

20:34 * CoderForLife leaves the room

20:36 <Rookie_69> Apparently so does Doug.

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20:39 <Rookie_69> Does it help if I call Doug names every time he drops off?

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20:47 <Rookie_69> WB.

20:47 <wdsmia> this is getting old

20:49 <Rookie_69> Three second record?

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20:50 <wdsmia_> think it was skype that time

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20:51 <Rookie_69> Two seconds?

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20:56 <Rookie_69> Frickin' frackin'...

20:56 * wdsmia_ wonders if my ISP was bought out by Berkley

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20:57 * Rookie_69 wonders if his ISP was bought out by Microsoft...

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21:02 * Rookie_69 doesn't think even ScumSoft would sink that low.

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21:11 <Rookie_69> I see how dropped carriers can be seen as an inconvenience at times...

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21:31 <Rookie_69> I think I got it fingered out... Every time I light a cigarette, Skype freaks out.

21:35 <Rookie_69> Nope... That's not it...

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21:39 <wdsmia_> &NN Glenn

21:39 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

21:39 <Rookie_69> Bedtime...

21:39 <Rookie_69> NN.

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22:00 * KathrynM sihs

22:00 <KathrynM> sighs even

22:00 <KathrynM> back in Vista.

22:00 * Soul_keeper is beefing up his WCG team for a race that starts on the 30th

22:00 <KathrynM> Fedora 8 hates me too

22:01 <KathrynM> four people trying to help me at once in #fedora was very nice, but hard to keep all the questions strait.

22:01 <KathrynM> So here I am back in Windows before I throw the bloody computer across the room.

22:02 <Soul_keeper> you'll fix it

22:02 <KathrynM> eventually.  Vista *will* drive me nuts.

22:02 <Soul_keeper> you're too smart to fail :)

22:02 <KathrynM> hahahahahaha

22:02 <KathrynM> I'm lucky to have gotten as far as I have with Fedora.

22:03 <KathrynM> oh well.  Gonna go watch a movie or something.

22:03 <KathrynM> Maybe do some stuff that needs to be done for w&@^

22:03 <KathrynM> laters

22:03 <Soul_keeper> ate

22:03 <Soul_keeper> late

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22:05 <MikeC`> Fedora 8? damn

22:06 <MikeC`> they push those versions out faster than a crack dealer

22:26 <PovAddict> MikeC`: the latest is Fedora 9...

22:36 <MikeC`> whoa

22:37 <MikeC`> thought i installed 7 just a couple months ago

22:45 <PovAddict> "Fedora 7, codenamed Moonshine, was released on May 31, 2007"

22:45 <PovAddict> "Fedora 8, codenamed Werewolf, was released on 8 November 2007"

22:45 <PovAddict> "Fedora 9, codenamed Sulphur, was released on 13 May 2008."

22:47 <MikeC`> maybe it was 8, snow was still on the ground...

22:49 <MikeC`> getting old sicks

22:50 <efc> zzzz

23:08 <efc> OT: "I'd love to see 'Survivor : Petri Dish', where the embryos have to compete in stupid tasks, win immunity, and survive elimination for the right to be born"

23:22 <Soul_keeper> anyone here running an athlon x2 ?

23:22 <Soul_keeper> i wanna see someone's benchmark results

23:27 <PovAddict> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+

23:28 <PovAddict> 1027 MIPS floating point, 2686 MIPS integer

23:28 <PovAddict> non-optimized BOINC client

23:29 <PovAddict> 64-bit Linux, 64-bit BOINC client

23:31 <Soul_keeper> perfect thanks

23:31 <Soul_keeper> 4200+   was the exact one i needed for comparison

23:31 <efc> 1401 float / 1844 int, p4-28 ghz

23:33 <efc> I started leaving HT on but only running 1 BOINC thread

23:34 <Soul_keeper> HT with 2 threads is alright

23:35 <Soul_keeper> yes you'll be slightly faster per unit with HT disabled running 1 thread but you'll be about 40% (atleast in my experience) faster overall with HT and 2 threads

23:36 <efc> It seems like the L2 cache contention would kill any benefit

23:36 <Soul_keeper> contention ?

23:36 <efc> two threads fighting over L2 cache

23:36 <Soul_keeper> congestion >?

23:37 <Soul_keeper> well considering that you got 4x the L2 as earlier P4's it won't be an issue

23:37 <efc> at least until you get to the huge caches on the core2 stuff

23:37 <efc> s@h could use around 4 megs of cache, something like that

23:37 <Soul_keeper> they do fight over other things tho, that's the nature of HT  and why you get 40% or less and not 50% speed up like true dual core

23:38 <Soul_keeper> but you will get speed up if configured right

23:38 <Soul_keeper> HT is definately worth enabling

23:38 <Soul_keeper> unless you hate multitasking and/or multithreaded apps

23:40 <Soul_keeper> the difference might be something like   1 WU per hour with HT disabled running 1 thread, compared to 2 WU per 1.3 hours with HT and 2 threads

23:41 <Soul_keeper> i gotta get motivated to bring my P4 back online for a race

23:44 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict,  do you own a c2d ?

23:58 <MikeC`> i agree you always get more output on p4 with ht enabled

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