IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-06-29

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01:59 <Tidus> &wx 72764

01:59 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 65.1F / 18.4C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy then becoming mostly cloudy late in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Slight chance of rain showers and isolated thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 60s. Light winds. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Sunday - (1 more message)

01:59 <Tidus> &more

01:59 <Romulus> Tidus: Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Light winds.;

02:08 <efc> moo

02:09 <BadBarbarian> moo too

02:09 <Tidus> moo^3

02:10 <yoyo[RKN]> moo^4

02:15 <Tidus> so what is everybody up to today?

02:32 <efc> work

02:35 <yoyo[RKN]> soccer watching

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04:36 <CoderForLife> ack

04:36 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 70.5F / 21.4C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.42in / 996.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms this morning...then mostly cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely this afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. (2 more messages)

04:36 <CoderForLife> &more

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely early in the evening...then a slight chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning... then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. (1 more message)

04:36 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

04:36 <CoderForLife> &more

04:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

04:37 <KathrynM> rain rain go away

04:37 <CoderForLife> morning Ms KathrynM

04:37 * CoderForLife hands a Sunday apple to Teacher

04:37 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwww :)

04:37 <KathrynM> it's shiny

04:38 <KathrynM> I've done battle with fstab.  If I ever want to boot to Kubuntu again, I'll need to do battle with grub.

04:38 <CoderForLife> I made it shine myself

04:38 <KathrynM> Now if I could figure out why sound basically doesn't work.

04:38 <CoderForLife> my new F9 box quite talking to me yesterday - web, SSH, VNC

04:38 <CoderForLife> er quit

04:39 <CoderForLife> I'm guessing it forgot how to speak IPv4 again

04:39 <KathrynM> well that's annoying

04:39 <CoderForLife> yup - I'm worried about F9

04:40 <KathrynM> which is why I decided F8 was safer

04:40 <CoderForLife> I thought about that

04:41 <KathrynM> mplayer doesn't have sound.  amorak doesn't have sound.  flash videos in ff don't have sound

04:41 <CoderForLife> atm  I'm going to try to make the box speak to me again, thenI thought about runnign httpd.i386 and php.i386, rather than the x86_64 versions, and see if that beats the seg faults

04:42 <KathrynM> might.  64 bit can still be flaky

04:42 <CoderForLife> that's my current plan

04:42 <KathrynM> nice, but when I do the sound card detection, I have sound through that.

04:43 * KathrynM goes to join #fedora

04:43 <CoderForLife> lol

04:43 <CoderForLife> they wouldn't have me there =)

04:43 * CoderForLife looks at news, before going to the data center, and breakfast

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04:56 <CoderForLife> OK time to look at the box and get breakfast - brb

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05:28 <CoderForLife> b

05:30 <KathrynM> wb

05:30 <KathrynM> get the box fixed?

05:30 <CoderForLife> thx

05:30 <CoderForLife> um no

05:31 <CoderForLife> eth0 is inactive at bootup

05:31 <CoderForLife> I activate it, and the box responds to pings, but not http

05:31 <KathrynM> ya know, same thing on my F7 x64 machine

05:31 <CoderForLife> I restart the entwork service, and eth0 goes inactive

05:32 <CoderForLife> network*

05:32 <KathrynM> that's not good

05:32 <CoderForLife> when I need the Tree Herders to respond, I'll let them know

05:32 <KathrynM> I've got sound again

05:33 * CoderForLife applauds loudly

05:33 <KathrynM> had to restart pulseaudio

05:35 <KathrynM> hehehe

05:35 <CoderForLife> I'm about out of time for messing around with that box today

05:35 <Romulus> <> (at

05:35 <CoderForLife> I got to prep for going back to w@#% tomorrow

05:36 <KathrynM> ugh

05:37 <CoderForLife> another issue here may be that one of the 2 laptops running grabbed the server IP address

05:37 <CoderForLife> I'll look at that in a bit

05:38 <KathrynM> aern't computers fun?

05:40 * CoderForLife bangs his head slowly. methodically and forcefully upon his desk

05:41 * KathrynM puts a large fluffy pillow between CoderForLife's head and his desk

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05:41 * CoderForLife goes immediately to sleep

05:42 <KathrynM> :)

05:43 <CoderForLife> Zzzz

05:44 * CoderForLife snaps awake

05:44 <CoderForLife> the box is e-mailing me, and I can SSH into it

05:45 <KathrynM> woo hoo

05:45 * CoderForLife starts httpd service

05:45 <CoderForLife> Apahe is now up

05:45 <CoderForLife> Apache 2 too

05:46 <CoderForLife> Apache 2 too twain

05:46 <CoderForLife> woot woot

05:46 <KathrynM> ;)

05:47 * CoderForLife wonders what movie that was...

05:48 <CoderForLife> Ah, Neil Simon's "Murder By Death"

05:49 <CoderForLife> 22 Twain

05:49 <CoderForLife> wow 1976

05:50 <CoderForLife> I saw the movie on a date

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05:58 <CoderForLife> ack: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 253 to 100

05:59 <KathrynM> uh oh

05:59 <CoderForLife> wattup wit dat?

06:00 <KathrynM> computer gods really picking on your

06:00 <KathrynM> computers

06:00 <KathrynM> and you too

06:00 <CoderForLife> looks like the read error rate is getting *better*

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06:27 <CoderForLife> brb

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06:50 <KathrynM> w.t.f..........  Firefox was taking 189% of the cpu (as shown by top)

06:51 <KathrynM> no wonder the whole computer ground to a halt

07:03 <desti>

07:03 <Romulus> <> (at

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07:37 <CoderForLife> b

07:37 <CoderForLife> hmm Firefox blew up on my XP machine

08:10 <KathrynM> what's up with FF tonight?  I'd say it blew up on my machine too.  Although I think I can blame it on flash more than FF.

08:11 <xcamel> 'lo

08:12 <KathrynM> evening x

08:18 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

08:18 <xcamel> mornin CFL

08:18 <CoderForLife> I don't know KathrynM - I left Firefox running and it fscked itself

08:25 <KathrynM> lol

08:25 <CoderForLife> My Code would never do such an unseemly thing

08:25 <KathrynM> I managed to fsk fstab earlier

08:25 <KathrynM> to the point where I couldn't boot the machine

08:25 <KathrynM> and of course installing the new version of Fedora fscked grub

08:25 <KathrynM> So I had to boot to a Live CD to fix things.

08:25 <CoderForLife> I jumped in the hole, and pulled the hole in after it

08:26 <CoderForLife> er it*

08:26 <CoderForLife> I guess I jumped in the hole after it

08:26 <KathrynM> lol

08:26 <KathrynM> as long as your outta the hole

08:26 <KathrynM> I figure next weekend I'll do battle with grub.

08:27 <KathrynM> I can only handle so many battles.  And this weekend I went over my quota.

08:27 <CoderForLife> I know how you feel, in part

08:28 <KathrynM> I think CSI Miami is about to start.  So I shall depart to my bed, put the TV on the sleep timer and probably fall asleep before Hortaio soles the crime

08:28 <KathrynM> uhhh solves the crime that is

08:28 <CoderForLife> ok tc cya

08:28 <KathrynM> I'm a bit dyslexic tonight too

08:28 <KathrynM> Horatio

08:28 <KathrynM> anywho.  nighty night

08:28 <CoderForLife> I'm a bit lysdexic

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08:34 <xcamel> brilliant beople dent to be a tib lysdexic

08:34 <CoderForLife> soluteably

08:35 * CoderForLife salutes

08:35 <xcamel> [NEWS] Beach pizza shop employee fatally shoots robber, police say

08:36 <xcamel> ..."What do you want on your tombstone?"

08:38 <CoderForLife> heh

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09:02 <xcamel> wow - 72F 100% humidity..

09:04 <CoderForLife> don't stir the air - you'll have a flood

09:05 <xcamel> never seen "100%" on my weather box..

09:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

09:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 70.8F / 21.6C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.42in / 996.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms this morning...then mostly cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely this afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. (2 more messages)

09:06 <CoderForLife> you get the "ugh" award

09:17 <xcamel> &wx 12074

09:17 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 71.3F / 21.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and slight chance of thunderstorms this morning...then numerous thunderstorms this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall this afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. South (2 more messages)

09:17 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

09:17 <xcamel> seems mighty close to the same

09:17 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 45F / 7C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 80 on the North Rim to around 107 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 48 on the North Rim to around 67 along the Colorado River. (1 more message)

09:17 <BadBarbarian> &more

09:17 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 82 on the North Rim to around 108 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

09:17 <BadBarbarian> "lo xcamel

09:19 <xcamel> 'lo BB

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10:13 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

10:13 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 66.1F / 18.9C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers in the morning... then a slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; (1 more message)

10:13 <wdsmia_> &more

10:13 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 50s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.; Monday - Sunny. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 4:36 PM CDT on July 01, 2008;

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10:28 <xcamel> my weather box can't display humidity of 101%

10:29 <xcamel> it says " --% "

10:41 <MikeC`> your underwater?

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10:49 <xcamel> might as well be - it dropped back to 97%

10:49 <MikeC`> nasty

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10:53 <xcamel> good chance of big storms later.. nothing firing up yet though

10:55 <MikeC`> had ours yesterday, lost power for a couple of minutes while i was out

10:57 <surrealillusionx> i need to get new UPS's

10:57 <surrealillusionx> for my systems

10:57 <surrealillusionx> im looking at one of those apc 1500xl's

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10:59 * CoderForLife runs smartctl test on his new F9 box = getting some soft read error messages

11:00 <CoderForLife> "long" test due to complete in a half hour

11:00 <MikeC`> just got batteries for my old apc 1300xl and 1000

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11:00 <xcamel> I have a pair of RS/XS 1500's that work pretty well...

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11:01 <MikeC`> wish i could get the software to work right, it would be nice if boinc stopped and they had some more runtime

11:02 <xcamel> It helps to have a backup generator...

11:03 <MikeC`> definitely something i'm getting when i buy a house

11:08 <CoderForLife> I did

11:08 <MikeC`> gas turbine?

11:09 <CoderForLife> yeah 10MW diesel black start

11:09 <CoderForLife> j/k

11:09 <MikeC`> hehe

11:09 <CoderForLife> 15kw gasoline powered

11:09 <CoderForLife> can peak to 22kW

11:10 <CoderForLife> can run the whole house, including the central air

11:10 <MikeC`> nice

11:10 <CoderForLife> the forner owner had the house wired for generator for Y2K

11:11 <MikeC`> lol, so you have transfer panel?

11:11 <CoderForLife> yep

11:13 <MikeC`> all you need now is some solar panels and battery bank ;)

11:16 <CoderForLife> and the homeonwer's association to look the other way

11:17 <MikeC`> ahh, those suck

11:39 <xcamel> mine is 27KW diesel..

11:39 <xcamel> runs the whole farm when needed

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11:49 <MikeC`>

11:49 <Romulus> Title: Interactive Linux kernel map (at

11:51 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: don't try to understand SMART 'Raw' values yourself

11:52 <CoderForLife> looking at  Read_Soft_Error_Rate  ATM

11:52 <CoderForLife> raw value

11:52 <CoderForLife> 28222825

11:52 <CoderForLife> o_O

11:53 <CoderForLife> and Hardware_ECC_Recovered is the same value

11:53 <CoderForLife> Dr. Google is being unhelpful

11:58 <CoderForLife> lunch time - bbl

12:13 <quail> evening all

12:14 <quail> &wx ypad

12:14 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 1:30 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

12:37 <quail> very quiet in here this evening

12:40 <CoderForLife> indeed

12:43 <quail> howdy Don

12:50 <CoderForLife> hello Dale

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany

13:00 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 78.6°F / 25.9°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10.4mph / 16.7km/h | Updated: 6:43 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered (1 more message)

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14:07 <CoderForLife> wb dizzie

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14:08 <dizzie> Thank you

14:08 <CoderForLife> u2 [B^S]renemayer

14:08 <dizzie> Got Debian running on my Macbook :)

14:09 <CoderForLife> soory to hear about your troubles =)

14:09 <dizzie> Haha

14:09 <dizzie> Anything but wintendo is good :)

14:10 * CoderForLife redesigns/reroutes the gutter piping on his house

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14:10 <CoderForLife> wb PovAddict

14:10 <PovAddict> X crashed

14:11 <PovAddict> nVidia's fault

14:11 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do here is assign blame

14:11 <dizzie> Assign Blame: >NIL:

14:11 <dizzie> Done :)

14:11 <PovAddict> Backtrace:

14:11 <PovAddict> 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x6a) [0x48402a]

14:11 <PovAddict> 1: /lib/ [0x7fcf9fc76100]

14:11 <PovAddict> 2: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// [0x7fcf9d712b78]

14:12 <dizzie> GLX ?

14:12 <PovAddict> I use compiz-fusion, I don't even know which of XGL or AIGLX is in use

14:20 <dizzie> X fails to run on this MacBook

14:21 <CoderForLife> sorry to hear about your troubles =)

14:21 * CoderForLife runs away

14:21 * dizzie serves freshbrewed coffee

14:22 <dizzie> I'm only in trouble when wife starts to yell :)

14:26 <CoderForLife> ah yes, wives...

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15:02 <xcamel> humidity dropped, then shot way back up

15:02 <xcamel> now 80/60

15:03 * Soul_keeper wonders if bring an athlon 2000+, p3 800 celeron, and 800mhz laptop, online would matter

15:03 <xcamel> makes the dewpoint 66

15:04 <Soul_keeper> i had good times with that 2000+ athlon, pushed it to over 1yr uptime, untill the 2006 fire season caused a major power outtage

15:04 <Soul_keeper> havn't run it since

15:18 <Soul_keeper> "Also Sunday, Agence-France Presse reported that Iran has announced it plans to dig 320,000 graves in border districts to allow for the burial of enemy soldiers in the event of any attack on its territory."

15:49 <MrBIOS> sheez, crazies

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16:40 <xcamel> re-hi

16:40 <Soul_keeper> bla

16:41 <xcamel> lol

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17:01 <Soul_keeper> yo

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17:04 <CoderForLife> back

17:05 <infinisoft> whats the purpose of the last character in GUI RPC replys

17:05 <PovAddict> infinisoft: in theory, marking where it ends

17:05 <PovAddict> in practice, the client doesn't care about it; but *send it anyway*

17:07 <infinisoft> Ah

17:08 <PovAddict> &bw GuiRpcProtocol

17:08 <Romulus>

17:08 <infinisoft> I'm making a PHP script to scan my network for running clients so my web scripts won't time out

17:08 <PovAddict> very incomplete ;)

17:09 <infinisoft> Plus my router's IP reservations aren't working too well for some reason :/

17:09 <PovAddict> use static IP on the individual machines...

17:09 <PovAddict> instead of telling the router to give out a specific IP over DHCP

17:10 <infinisoft> True, still need for when a host goes offline

17:12 * CoderForLife comes back to #boinc, where no one talks about soccer

17:14 * infinisoft would still LOVE a XML for results.php

17:14 <xcamel> could be an ugly line of weather on the way...

17:14 <infinisoft> There's a lot of macros floating around now for web scraping results to a Excel spreadsheet

17:14 <CoderForLife> you or me?

17:14 <PovAddict> infinisoft: download the server code, add the XML version, and send it to the developers

17:15 * CoderForLife looks at long range radar


17:15 <CoderForLife> ugh

17:15 <infinisoft> Pov: YEah, might have to ;)

17:16 <xcamel> 79/71 dpt 68

17:16 <CoderForLife> I've just got some spotty stuff - no widespread organization

17:17 <xcamel> this seems to be the first half of "the front"

17:17 * CoderForLife pans the radar view toward NY

17:18 <CoderForLife> you're looking at a wall

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17:19 <CoderForLife> wb dizzie

17:19 <dizzie> Hello :)

17:25 <xcamel> indeed .. looks like an "sfter dark" event...

17:25 <xcamel> if it all holds together...

17:25 <CoderForLife> mm-hmm

17:45 * CoderForLife drives by Jay's place again on Google street view

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17:49 <CoderForLife> ya know, xcamel - Google street view indicates that they've done the "left side" of W Galway Rd at the stop sign, but when you follow Consaul you can't "turn left"

17:56 <quail> morning all

17:57 <CoderForLife> all bid you greetings

17:57 <quail> how are you Don?

17:58 <CoderForLife> today I am worried

17:58 <quail> &wx ypad

17:58 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 24mph / 39km/h | Updated: 7:19 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

17:58 <quail> why?

17:58 <CoderForLife> about a great many things

17:59 <quail> oh

17:59 <wdsmia> weather looks to be getting ugly up Jay's way

18:00 <quail> we had a storm here early this morning

18:01 <CoderForLife> yeah - he's watching it, and I am looking at it too

18:01 <CoderForLife> get any rain quail?

18:02 <quail> only a little bit

18:02 <CoderForLife> mm

18:04 <quail> here is my radar map >>>

18:04 <Romulus> Title: 128 km Adelaide (Buckland Park) Radar (at

18:04 <quail> and I am down were is says McLaren Vale

18:06 <quail> and here the animated map from the radar closest to me >>>

18:06 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:16 <CoderForLife> mostly light stuff

18:31 * Soul_keeper wants more power

18:31 <Soul_keeper> nobody wants to join my boinc team ...

18:31 <CoderForLife> a desparate despot

18:32 <Soul_keeper> the process of attraction rather than promotion does not work with boinc

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18:53 <Soul_keeper>

18:53 <Romulus> <> (at

18:53 <Soul_keeper> 200 of those could supply 1000watts, enough for atleast 3 computers i figure

18:54 <Soul_keeper> cost of over 12k tho

18:55 <Soul_keeper> 200watt panels are like 1k

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18:56 <jsilvia> An open question: Does anyone here think it's possible to achieve 4000 work units per day, running Seti@home on 7 Xeon-based computers with Windows XP?

18:57 <PovAddict> I don't know how long SETI WUs are anymore :P

18:57 <jsilvia> I've got a psycho friend who wants to dedicate a few blade chassis to doing SETI, and we're looking at putting in dual Xeon quads @ 2.5ghz each

18:58 <Soul_keeper> 15k for a single 3000 watt panel

18:58 <quail> Soul_keeper: "Please order in multiples of two -- if we have to split a box there will be a $25 repacking fee." <<<

18:58 <Romulus> Title: Discount Solar: Your source for low cost, high quality solar panels (at

18:58 <jsilvia> What I've been trying to figure out is what kind of performance can be expected of these without actually buying the setup and doing a benchmark.

18:58 <Soul_keeper>

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

18:59 <quail> Soul_keeper: I think that a bit rude considering you paying cost to 400$ for the panel

18:59 <PovAddict> jsilvia: look in for a computer with similar specs

18:59 <quail> s/cost/close

19:00 <jsilvia> It's difficult to glean the info I want though - seems like they're working on "credits" or something virtual like that - I'm more interested in actual units of completion, not this "virtual credit" shit they're pushing now.

19:00 <wdsmia> asks jsilvia to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:00 <Soul_keeper> jsilvia 4000 should be easily acheivable, depends on the kind of xeon, how many cores in each of the 7 systems, and the clock speeds

19:00 <PovAddict> jsilvia: well there is no way to know how many WUs/day a computer does

19:00 <PovAddict> not even looking at SETI website directly; WUs may get deleted from the database faster than that

19:01 <Soul_keeper> yeah these solar panel companies are a little fishy

19:01 <jsilvia> When I first started running the client on my laptop, I pulled 2 WU in 2 hours on 2 cores.

19:01 <Soul_keeper> it's like the rebates/tax credits are more important than their prices

19:01 <jsilvia> Scaling that upwards, I figure a pair of quads should at least do 4 time sbetter.

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19:02 <Soul_keeper> are they P4 based xeons ?  core2 based xeons ?

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19:02 <jsilvia> so, basically, what I'm hoping for is a minimum of 144 WU per blade/day.

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19:03 <jsilvia> My laptop's a 2.5ghz core2duo - one of Dells latest - had it a month.  about to replace it too with a D830, same cpu, bigger screen

19:03 <Soul_keeper> yeah you gotta know more info

19:04 <jsilvia> The system I'm contacted to build will have 26 supermicro datacenter chassis with 14 dual Xeon blades each, with 12gb of ram per blade and 2.5ghz quad-core harpertown xeons.

19:04 <quail> this my laptop

19:04 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-1-686 |  Dual Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2050  @ 1.60GHz 800.000 MHz | Bogomips: 6404.07 | Mem: 549/1003M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 72.13G Free: 64.32G | Procs: 116 | Uptime: 1 day 15 hrs 59 mins 6 secs | Load: 0.00 0.03 0.07  | Screen: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) @ 1280x800 (32 bpp) GPU clock:  | wlan0: In: 408.22M Ou

19:04 <jsilvia> that is, dual 2.5ghz quad-core harpertown xeons, per blade

19:05 <Soul_keeper> jsilvia, ok harpertown  :)  yes you'll easily break 4k a day

19:05 <PovAddict> jsilvia: so 8 cores with 12GB RAM to play with?

19:05 <jsilvia> yes

19:05 <Soul_keeper> i can break 4k a day with just two c2d systems

19:05 <PovAddict> I think that's more RAM than needed

19:05 <PovAddict> how much RAM does a single SETI WU use nowadays?

19:05 <jsilvia> really?

19:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah seti uses next to nothing

19:05 <PovAddict> correction, I think that's *way* more than needed

19:05 <Soul_keeper> could easily run seti on a system with 256MB

19:05 <Soul_keeper> i have ...

19:06 <PovAddict> I don't recall SETI using more than 100MB/WU

19:06 <jsilvia> I was planning on using most of the ram as ramdisk, as these blades will be booting off DHCP and running off a read-only NFS partition

19:06 <Soul_keeper> probably a little over 32MB per WU max

19:06 <PovAddict> and you're giving it 1.5GB/core

19:06 <jsilvia> yes

19:06 <jsilvia> you do realize that by Jan'09 we'll have 8 cores/socket from Intel, right?

19:06 <quail> PovAddict: this how my new box is going crunching seti >>>

19:06 <Romulus> <> (at

19:07 <Soul_keeper> seti is using less than 30MB of disk space here

19:07 <Soul_keeper> question is will all those cores be enough to ever get you in the top 100 of seti

19:08 <jsilvia> Lets see - 26 chassis, 14 blades each, 8 cores/blade - that's 2912 cores

19:08 <PovAddict> how many credits/day do you think that beast will do, Sk?

19:08 <jsilvia> What scares me is the power draw - since we're talking 24kw per cabinet with only 4 chassis per..

19:09 <Soul_keeper> probably over 2 million per day

19:09 <jsilvia> jesus

19:09 <jsilvia> so is it a safe guess that a single blade should pull more than 5000 WU/day, or what?

19:09 <PovAddict> impossible; top-1 user has 336k/day

19:10 <PovAddict> (has computer list hidden)

19:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah 5k should be easy

19:10 <jsilvia> per blade??

19:10 <jsilvia> I figure we'll run Ubuntu Server, stripped and optimized for Boinc.

19:10 <PovAddict> that's 336k *credits* per day, and I have no idea how many machines

19:10 <jsilvia> That or perhaps a debian distro

19:11 <Soul_keeper> yeah my 4 cores (two c2d systems) clocked at 3GHz running optimized apps get me up to 4k a day

19:11 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: I searched you on BOINCStats, I think your CPID is quite split

19:12 <Soul_keeper> CPID ?

19:12 <PovAddict> or did you only ever run four projects?

19:12 <Soul_keeper> yeah just 4

19:12 <PovAddict> then yeah that's you; and currently at 3954 credits/day

19:12 <PovAddict> and it's not split then :)

19:12 <PovAddict>

19:12 <Romulus> <> (at

19:13 <Soul_keeper> :)

19:13 <Soul_keeper> i ran seti 24/7 the last week

19:14 <Soul_keeper> now running wcg 24/7 for atleast the next week

19:14 <jsilvia> Quail, where on your stats screen does it say "x work units/day" or at all?

19:15 <PovAddict> jsilvia: nowhere

19:15 <PovAddict> projects don't calculate that

19:15 <jsilvia> So it's "credits" then??

19:16 <jsilvia> such as average credit, which i assume is tallied/day?

19:16 <PovAddict> credits per workunit aren't constant, depends on how long the workunit is

19:16 <jsilvia> So are credits normalizing that?

19:16 <PovAddict>

19:16 <Romulus> <> (at

19:16 <jsilvia> I know about the "more detailed" WU's

19:16 <Soul_keeper> i'd customize compile the latest stable boinc, add the latest ssse3 optimized seti AK app  to the dir, then copy  that BOINC directory accross all the blades

19:17 <PovAddict> there you see how many credits each WU got

19:18 <jsilvia> Custom-compile eh?  That can be done - we'll probably run a copy of VMware in the master node, just so that we can have a fully operational booting/interactive blade OS master to play with

19:18 <jsilvia> One that includes the compiler...

19:19 <Soul_keeper> since all the blades are the same, a single optimized compile  should work on them all

19:19 <PovAddict> don't use the stock SETI app

19:19 <jsilvia> good to know - thanks

19:19 <PovAddict> either compile it yourself targeted at your CPU, or use an optimized binary (like AK's)

19:19 <jsilvia> so this guy, who's running the windows app, is likely not seeing anything nearly as good as running it optimized for the machine

19:20 <jsilvia> optimizing for the harpertowns should make this kick - any other optimizations besides SSE3?

19:20 <Soul_keeper>

19:20 <Romulus> Title: Crunch3rs BOINC page (at

19:20 <Soul_keeper> it's  SSSE3

19:21 <Soul_keeper> that's apparently what they decided to call sse4 ...

19:21 <jsilvia> fools

19:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah that was intel's choice

19:22 <jsilvia> so, has anyone optimized Seti for processing on video card GPU's yet?

19:23 <PovAddict> it's not optimizing what needs to be done

19:23 <Soul_keeper> no but i saw the latest svn dev now checks for the cuda library

19:23 <PovAddict> more like rewriting for a completely different way to calculate :)

19:23 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: no project uses it tho

19:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah

19:23 <Soul_keeper> amd's library is called  brooke+  or something

19:23 <jsilvia> bummer

19:23 <PovAddict> Penryn has SSE4

19:24 <jsilvia> gotta wonder if it'd be quicker

19:24 <Soul_keeper> i guess  ssse3  is sse3+  then

19:24 <PovAddict> jsilvia: it probably won't

19:24 <jsilvia> Does the Harpertown have SSSE3 or SSE4?

19:24 <PovAddict> jsilvia: the point is you can use both CPU and GPU, doubling the speed :)

19:24 <Soul_keeper> MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4, EM64T

19:24 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

19:24 <jsilvia> nice - that'll be a fun compile

19:25 <PovAddict> wow, a CPU instruction to calculate CRC? :P

19:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

19:27 <quail> wow just had a very quick brown out

19:28 <quail> &wx ypad

19:28 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Rain Showers | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 8:54 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Overcast. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

19:28 <jsilvia> see you around guys - thanks for the input.  I can believe this guy wants to build this thing...

19:28 <quail> jsilvia: bye

19:28 <jsilvia> yuck

19:28 <Soul_keeper> :)

19:28 *** wdsmia sets mode: -o wdsmia

19:28 <jsilvia> where are you with weather like that??

19:29 <quail> it good to hear the rain coming down :-)

19:29 <quail> Australia

19:29 <jsilvia> ahhh

19:29 <jsilvia> I bet things there are more sane than here.

19:29 <quail> and we need the rain

19:29 <jsilvia> Yesterday, 2 stupid 17 year olds decided to break into an amusement park, going under the "batman roller coaster"

19:30 <jsilvia> They had to jump 2 fences, and ignored the big warning signs

19:30 <quail> huh?

19:30 <jsilvia> one of them got decapitated

19:30 <jsilvia> 6-Flags Georgia says that the ride will re-open tomorrow.

19:30 <wdsmia> Darwin award winner

19:30 <jsilvia> I'd rather have rain than hear about stupid on the tube.

19:31 <jsilvia> For certain.

19:31 <xcamel> bingo.

19:31 <quail> hehe

19:31 <quail> howdy Jay

19:31 <jsilvia> l8r..

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19:31 <CoderForLife> I heard he was trying to fetch a hat

19:32 <Soul_keeper> "Among the technologies deployed meet all those present in the other processors to 45 nm, ie: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, XD-bit and EM64T. Sono state implementate anche la tecnologia Vanderpool e le nuove istruzioni SSE4 oltre alle altre migliorie previste dalla revisione a 45 nm dell'architettura Core . There were also implemented the technology Vanderpool and new instructions SSE4 addition to the other improvements planned by the revision t

19:32 <Soul_keeper> o 45 nm of Core. Pi precisamente sono state implementate solo 47 delle 54 istruzioni previste dal set SSE4 vero e proprio e per questo motivo Intel indica le nuove istruzioni inserite nelle evoluzioni a 45 nm dell'architettura Core, come SSE4.1 (dove .1 indica la prima versione); l'intero set delle istruzioni, indicato come SSE4.2 verr incorporato solo nella futura architettura Nehalem , successiva alla Core. More precisely have been

19:32 <Soul_keeper> implemented only 47 of 54 instructions provided by September SSE4 genuine and that is why Intel indicates the new instructions included in developments of 45 nm Core, as SSE4.1 (where .1 indicates the first version) ; The entire set of instructions, as indicated SSE4.2 will be built only in the future architecture Nehalem, following the Core."

19:32 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

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19:32 <PovAddict> italian-inside

19:32 <Soul_keeper> guess google translation didn't work right

19:33 <Soul_keeper> reads english, but copy/pasts non-english

19:33 <CoderForLife> like Intel-inside?

19:33 <infinisoft> Yay

19:33 <infinisoft>

19:35 <Soul_keeper> More precisely have been implemented only 47 of 54 instructions provided by September SSE4 genuine and that is why Intel indicates the new instructions included in developments of 45 nm Core, as SSE4.1 (where .1 indicates the first version) ; The entire set of instructions, as indicated SSE4.2 will be built only in the future architecture Nehalem, following the Core.

19:35 <Soul_keeper> so i guess we have sse4.1 now

19:36 <quail> Soul_keeper: these are the instructions that my desktop E8200 does >>> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon bts pni monitor est tm2 xtpr

19:37 <quail> Soul_keeper: oops that my laptops cpu, hehe

19:38 <quail> Soul_keeper: these are the instructions that my desktop E8200 does >>> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr sse4_1 lahf_lm

19:38 <Soul_keeper> nice

19:39 <Soul_keeper> so you have ssse3 (aka sse4)   and   sse4_1 (sse4.1)

19:39 <PovAddict> ssse3 and sse4 are different things

19:39 <PovAddict> sse4.1 is sse4 with a few extras

19:39 <quail> Soul_keeper: my e8200 cpu does 2 and bit seti wu's an hour

19:40 <PovAddict> oh actually I had that wrong

19:40 <PovAddict> sse4.1 is a subset of sse4

19:40 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict,  you sure it's not just  sse4.2 minux 7 instructions ?

19:40 <Soul_keeper> minus*

19:41 * Soul_keeper downloads the intel sse4 programming reference guide

19:41 <Soul_keeper> flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm

19:41 <Soul_keeper> that's from my e4300  the very first and slowest c2d released

19:42 <PovAddict> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy

19:42 <PovAddict> (AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+)

19:43 <Soul_keeper> i see what their trying to do

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19:44 <Soul_keeper> basically ssse3  is just a stop-gap measure, no real place to put it,      47 new instructions - sse4.1 (Penryn)   7 more - sse4.2 (nehalem)

19:45 <infinisoft> Gonna replace my old tasks signature in a second

19:45 <PovAddict> infinisoft: what kind of PrimeGrid tasks are those?

19:46 <infinisoft> TPS

19:46 <Soul_keeper>

19:46 <Romulus> <> (at

19:46 <KathrynM_> morning

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19:46 <infinisoft> Should I throw the WU name on there somewheres?

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19:50 <KathrynM> Anyone know how I can get the weekend back?  I"m not ready to go to w&@^.

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19:51 <PovAddict> ditto

19:51 <PovAddict> bbl ->

19:53 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

19:53 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 65°F / 19°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Overcast. Low:62 F. / 17 (1 more message)

19:53 <KathrynM> hmmmm...  cool enough for jeans.

19:53 <KathrynM> wtf?  It's the end of June.

19:53 <KathrynM> &more

19:53 <Romulus> KathrynM: C.;

19:53 <KathrynM> thanks rommie.  that was helpful

19:54 <infinisoft> I think I'll tabulate per host RAC and add it in the blue space.

19:56 <KathrynM> <---- shower

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20:13 <efc> &weather 31088

20:13 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 73F / 23C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms likely in the evening. Lows in the lower 70s. West winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Monday (1 more message)

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20:37 <quail> how do you force boinc to do work units that have to be returned earlier?

20:38 <Didactylos> Earlier than what?

20:39 <quail> I have work units that are due back on the 4th july, but it working on units that are due back on 21st july

20:44 <Soul_keeper> there is some dude on tv that says he makes 30k a year in a video game called "second life" he sales clothes for people's online characters

20:44 <Soul_keeper> that's crazy

20:44 <xcamel> the world is crazy...

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20:44 <quail> Soul_keeper: hehe, sounds like I am in the wrong job

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20:45 <Soul_keeper> now they are talking about people that meet their true love in video games, lol

20:45 <Soul_keeper> c'mon

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20:45 <Soul_keeper> world of warcraft apparently

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20:53 <PovAddict> quail: suspend the other workunits/projects

20:53 <PovAddict> other than that there is no way to make BOINC do what you want

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20:56 <Soul_keeper> that's a feature they should implement

20:56 <Soul_keeper> i have the same issue, takes forever to suspend 50 wu's

20:56 <PovAddict> recent managers already support multiple selection...

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20:57 <Soul_keeper> like  "process by due date" "process by project"  "process by estimated length"  etc.

20:57 <PovAddict> so you just select all 50 and click Suspend

20:58 <Soul_keeper> 6.3.x  apparently does, nice

20:58 <Soul_keeper> 6.1.x don't

20:58 <PovAddict> see also :)

20:58 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at

21:00 <xcamel> laterz..

21:02 <CoderForLife> I'm off

21:03 <CoderForLife> Your strom front looks, um, complicated but maybe not so threatening ATM xcamel

21:03 <CoderForLife> er storm

21:05 <CoderForLife> good night

21:15 <infinisoft> added more eye candy

21:16 <quail> nice

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21:59 <efc> moo

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22:04 <quail> moo efc

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22:05 <efc> tired.. worked all weekend but got my (*$@# done

22:06 <quail> oh, I had a relaxing weekend :-)

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23:35 <Soul_keeper> so if i spend 20 bucks on lottery tickets will i win ?

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23:37 <efc> Get the odds and payout and calculate your expected value

23:37 <Soul_keeper> figures

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23:50 * quail still has Pending credit: 6,770.80 for seti

23:50 <MikeC`> i feel your pain

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23:53 <MikeC`> Pending credit: 218,856.04

23:54 * quail has participated in SETI@home since 12 June 2002, and has contributed 162,089 Cobblestones of computation (140.05 quadrillion floating-point operations) to SETI@home.

23:57 <MikeC`> where did you get that info

23:57 <MikeC`> ?

23:58 <quail> certificate

23:59 <quail> you have to log into your account

23:59 <MikeC`> forgot about those

23:59 * MikeC` has participated in SETI@home since 24 May 1999, and has contributed 56,019,765 Cobblestones of computation (48.40 quintillion floating-point operations) to SETI@home.

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