IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-07-02

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00:14 <zombie67> can't really use FAH as a benchmark

00:14 <zombie67> they don't have a client that runs on both CPU and GPU, to get apples to apples

00:14 <zombie67> and you can't use credits as a way either

00:15 <zombie67> they assign them kinda arbritrarily for each client

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01:10 <infinisoft> Hey zombie

01:10 <infinisoft> I updated my tasks sig:

01:13 <zombie67> hi

01:14 <zombie67> nice!  These are the custom PG stats?

01:14 <zombie67> brb

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02:06 <quail> afternoon all, how are we all?

02:09 <efc> moo Q

02:09 <efc> Hitting the sack..

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02:26 <infinisoft> zombie the PG are TPS tasks

02:27 <zombie67> oh!  These are all projects

02:32 <infinisoft> Yep the projects for the tasks running on my hosts

02:34 <infinisoft> Need to fix host RAC though, its not decayed properly

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04:24 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.6F / 14.8C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers and thunderstorms late. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Thursday - (1 more message)

04:25 <CoderForLife> &more

04:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely... especially in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

04:36 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:40 <quail> sweet >>>

04:40 <Romulus> <> (at

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04:50 <CoderForLife> b

04:52 <quail> wb CoderForLife and howdy

04:53 <quail> CoderForLife: did you see the flickr link?

04:54 <CoderForLife> hello quail

04:55 <CoderForLife> yes, nice

04:56 <quail> CoderForLife: thanks, that my current laptop desktop enviroment

04:57 <CoderForLife> cool

04:57 <quail> CoderForLife: do you have a flickr account?

04:58 <CoderForLife> nope

04:59 * CoderForLife investigates differences in php config between Fedora 9 and ubuntu 8

05:01 <CoderForLife> looking at apache2 and php conf files, it looks like someone took a hammer to them on ubuntu as compared to fedora - everything is all busted up

05:02 <CoderForLife> a different approach, for sure

05:05 * quail would never use ubuntu for server stuff

05:07 <CoderForLife> I am investigating to see if it would be better than F9, since I'm having issues

05:07 <CoderForLife> so far - it sure is faster

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05:13 <CoderForLife> it's just a bit hard on this old RH/Mandrake/Fedora guy

05:14 * CoderForLife reads about Suhosin in PHP on ubuntu

05:15 <CoderForLife> hmm

05:16 * CoderForLife checks the time

05:19 <CoderForLife> well I am about out of time for this morning

05:24 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

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05:46 <xcamel> ip kill >>\

06:01 <CoderForLife> out the door - laterz

06:28 <hawmps> mornin

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08:06 <quail> hawmps: howdy

08:07 <quail> xcamel: plunked

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08:41 <hawmps> Hi

08:46 <wdsmia_w> mornin

08:48 <quail> howdy Doug

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09:26 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I see only max_file_xfers in cc_config.xml; I know you can easily change the limits independently editing BOINC code

09:27 <PovAddict> (max uploads vs max downloads)

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09:40 <PovAdct_w> ugh, another power outage @home?

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10:11 <quail> &wx ypad

10:11 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 11:30 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

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10:11 <PovAdct_w> yep power outage it was...

10:11 <PovAdct_w> back up now, got into ssh and uptime is 21 minutes

10:12 <quail> PovAdct_w: :-(

10:12 <PovAdct_w> yesterday there was a power outage too and I wasn't able to ssh back, because the computer stayed off

10:12 <PovAdct_w> I configured the BIOS to turn on after powerfail

10:12 <quail> PovAdct_w: time to get a UPS

10:13 <PovAdct_w> indeed

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10:13 <quail> I have a 800W UPS and keeps what I ned going for ~20mins on an outage

10:20 <quail> I am going to buy a 1400VA to take over bit of the load from my 800 soon

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11:00 <PovAdct_w> Didactylos: ping

11:01 <Didactylos> pong.

11:01 <PovAdct_w> I think I'm done brea^H^H^H^H fixing the headers

11:02 <PovAdct_w> should I commit, and let you fail to compile it?

11:02 <Didactylos> Sure.

11:04 <PovAdct_w> committing

11:04 <PovAdct_w> I sent the patch to Eric Korpela too, maybe he's able to do something useful with it... but it's kinda messy

11:05 <PovAdct_w> commit done

11:06 <PovAdct_w> PM me the errors (I *know* it won't work)

11:06 * Didactylos reverts.

11:06 * Didactylos updates.

11:07 <PovAdct_w> lots of local changes?

11:07 <Didactylos> Just a quick fix for that other build break.

11:08 <Didactylos> I need to test Frank Weiler's property pages today, as well.

11:08 <PovAdct_w> I did, sort of :P

11:09 <PovAdct_w> doesn't compile

11:09 <Didactylos> That's odd. why did Charlie set svn:executable on a source file?

11:09 <PovAdct_w> so I reverted to before the property page commit to apply my header patches and test if it compiled

11:10 <Didactylos> Same errors as before, so far.

11:11 <Didactylos> Plus a load of warnings.

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11:11 <Didactylos> Changed struct to class?

11:11 <PovAdct_w> nowhere

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11:12 <Didactylos> Must be an inclusion order thing.

11:12 <PovAdct_w> I changed "class PROJECT*" to "PROJECT*" in a function prototype (PROJECT was already forward-declared above)

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14:00 <PovAdct_w> home ->

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14:52 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

14:52 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 87.8F / 31.0C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. West winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

15:04 <hawmps> 'lo Jack

15:04 <jackygrahamez> hi

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15:28 <quail> morning all

15:31 * quail is off to make some greek coffee and crumpets for breakfast

15:33 <Didactylos> KathrynM?

15:33 <Romulus> hmm... KathrynM is using MAC and upgraded to 10.5 and lost my BOINC settings, Didactylos

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16:03 <quail> it zing zing time

16:03 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

16:04 <quail> yoyo[RKN]: hey, I about to get into my greek coffee

16:05 <yoyo[RKN]> ui

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16:05 <quail> huh?

16:11 <quail> man I am going to be off my nut soon

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17:00 <xcamel> re-hi

17:00 <CoderForLife> hello

17:00 <xcamel> hmmm... split

17:01 <CoderForLife> it is the way of things

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17:09 <quail> CoderForLife & xcamel howdy Don and Jay

17:13 <CoderForLife> hello quail

17:14 * quail is off his nut

17:15 <CoderForLife> brb

17:16 <quail> k

17:16 <jackygrahamez> later

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17:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:28 <CoderForLife> b

17:28 <CoderForLife> hello Doug - how are you doing?

17:29 <wdsmia> doing good nothing better than a cold beer after w@#%

17:29 <CoderForLife> indeed

17:29 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 87.1F / 30.6C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Cooler. Low in the upper 50s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Cooler. High in the mid 70s. (1 more message)

17:29 <CoderForLife> I usually rub the alcohol all over myself as a disinfectant

17:30 <wdsmia> &more

17:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. East wind around 5 mph.;

17:30 <quail> CoderForLife: wb

17:30 <quail> wdsmia: howdy Doug

17:30 <CoderForLife> thx q

17:30 <wdsmia> *lo q

17:30 <quail> &wx ypad

17:30 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 6:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

17:31 <wdsmia> looks like they finaly droped the flood warning for us :)

17:31 <quail> oh it that cold, me that hocked up on caffeine atm everything is in hyperspeed

17:32 * quail has had a couple greek coffees this morning

17:32 <CoderForLife> at the same time I want you to hold onto the rain, you shouldn't keep it so long

17:32 <wdsmia> lol

17:32 <quail> no send the rain this way

17:33 <quail> we need it more :-)

17:33 <wdsmia> had 28" of rain last month

17:33 <CoderForLife> we can't afford the cost of fuel to ship it to you, quail

17:33 <quail> hehe CoderForLife

17:34 <quail> wdsmia: last month we might have had an inch of rain :-/

17:39 <CoderForLife> no one knows because it evaporated before hitting the ground?

17:45 <bryanUC> wdsmia: we had about 10.5" - I couldn't imagine what we'd look like with triple

17:49 <wdsmia> would would look real wet and have about 10000000000000 mosquito  per sq ft

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18:13 <quail> Apparently, if you play Microsoft CDs backwards they play satanic

18:13 <quail> messages. Worse still, if you play them forwards they install Windows.

18:17 <CoderForLife> what happens if you use them for skeet shooting?

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18:18 <quail> they make great targets :-P

18:19 <PovAddict> The best way to accelerate a Windows PC is by 9.81 m/s^2

18:20 <PovAddict>

18:20 <Romulus> <> (at

18:20 <CoderForLife> wait- that's the acceleration due to gravity - you're saying...

18:22 <quail> PovAddict: lmao

18:25 <CoderForLife> man, I'd like to get back here again, minus the heavy snow...

18:25 <Romulus> <> (at

18:25 <CoderForLife> I've driven Going-to-the-Sun Road - truly alpine terrain

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18:44 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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18:49 <AFLAC> #seen Zeeno

18:49 <xcamel> AFLAC!

18:49 <AFLAC> seen Seeno

18:49 <AFLAC> Quack

18:49 <AFLAC> seen Zeeno

18:49 <xcamel> &seen Zeeno

18:49 <Romulus> xcamel: Zeeno was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Zeeno> still running linux?

18:49 <AFLAC> Sluffer :)

18:50 <AFLAC> Hi J

18:50 <xcamel> <<--*-->>

18:50 <xcamel> zanzer..

18:50 <AFLAC> That too

18:51 <AFLAC>

18:51 <AFLAC> Waiting for U-Verse

18:54 <AFLAC> seen old511

18:54 <Soul_keeper> locusts are attacking china

18:54 <Soul_keeper> lol

18:55 <xcamel> you gotta use the "&"

18:55 <AFLAC> Nothing to eat there

18:55 <AFLAC> & help

18:55 <Romulus> AFLAC: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.

18:55 <xcamel> sorry, no duck snacks

18:55 <AFLAC> Quack?

18:55 <xcamel> &seen old511

18:55 <Romulus> xcamel: old511 was last seen in #boinc 13 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * old511 is away - L.A.S.F. - Later all Simper Fi - Pager[Off] Log[On]

18:56 <AFLAC> Another Sluffer ;)

18:56 <AFLAC> & beer

18:56 <Romulus> Here's your beer, AFLAC... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

18:57 <xcamel> his back was giving him waay too much trouble..

18:57 <AFLAC> & coffee

18:57 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

18:57 <PovAddict> &seen old

18:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: old was last seen in #boinc 13 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <old> Think I'm back LOL ,darn space warps

18:57 <AFLAC> & girlbot

18:57 <Romulus> No idea!

18:57 <AFLAC> soo sorry

18:58 <AFLAC> & weather

18:58 <Romulus> AFLAC: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

18:58 <AFLAC> & weather 90281

18:58 <Romulus> AFLAC: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

18:58 <AFLAC> broke it

18:59 <AFLAC> & weather Maui, Hi

18:59 <Romulus> AFLAC: Temperature: 81.3F / 27.4C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 10.9mph / 17.5km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Isolated showers in the morning. Highs 84 to 89. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers after midnight. Lows 64 to 70. East winds around 10 mph. (1 more message)

19:02 <AFLAC> Got one hour worth of sleep last night I am loosing my Feathers

19:02 <xcamel> leave out the space..

19:03 <xcamel> &wx 90281

19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

19:03 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:03 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 74.0F / 23.3C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Chance of thunderstorms in the morning... then thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail (2 more messages)

19:03 <AFLAC> LooksFunny WhenIDoThat

19:03 <xcamel> phew..

19:03 <xcamel> thought you really broke it...

19:03 <AFLAC> Nah Just a bot

19:06 <xcamel> how goes it otherwise?

19:06 <AFLAC> OK and you

19:07 <xcamel> good enough..

19:07 <AFLAC> Still have large anamals greeting you ?

19:08 <xcamel> just picked up another great shortwave receiver

19:08 <xcamel> yup... them too.

19:08 <AFLAC> Really? What kind?  I have a few myself

19:11 <xcamel> 2 icoms, an SDR-14, a winradio, an icom PCR-2500, and the new (used) JRC - NRD-535D

19:11 <AFLAC> Atwater Kent, Yaesu, Icom, TenTec and HP 0 to 1 ghz

19:12 <xcamel> the AK I refurbished back in high school is in the Tronto museum of Science now..

19:12 <AFLAC> Icom 7000, Yaesu 857, Tentec Orion II, HP Station Monitor for alignment fo the rest and Atwater Kent Model 27

19:13 <xcamel> is the 27 steel, or wood box?

19:13 <AFLAC> Wood Box like Captain Kangaroo had

19:13 <xcamel> sweet.

19:13 <xcamel> got the speaker?

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19:14 <AFLAC> Bought it in working condition with orginal warranty card speaker is built in

19:16 <AFLAC> Sorry to hear about Old's back, again

19:17 <AFLAC> Sounds like he needs Bionics

19:17 <CoderForLife> back

19:17 <AFLAC> HI CFL

19:17 <CoderForLife> heya AFLAC =)

19:18 <AFLAC> SUSE 11 still working OK

19:18 <AFLAC> :)

19:19 <AFLAC> Should start with a cleann disk no upgrades, messy

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19:21 <CoderForLife> moo

19:21 <efc> moo

19:22 <AFLAC> moo too

19:22 <AFLAC> HI efc long time

19:22 <efc> hey

19:22 <AFLAC> Still in GA

19:23 <efc> Yep

19:23 <AFLAC> Mee 2

19:26 <AFLAC>

19:26 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <AFLAC>

19:29 <Romulus> <> (at

19:33 <efc> more demand for a 64 threaded notepad

19:33 <efc> that'll be great

19:33 <PovAddict> yeah

19:33 <PovAddict> make a multi-threaded version of the "Find and replace" functionality, even if memory bandwidth is the bottleneck

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19:35 <efc> that affects like 1% of developers

19:35 <AFLAC> Or all of us ;)

19:36 <AFLAC> I want one too with 100 cores

19:36 <efc> the ones it affects, it affects a lot

19:36 <AFLAC> Warms the house in the winter :0

19:36 <efc> Its rare that the hardware people have been able to tell the software world "please perform the following miracle for us so we can sell X" and it work out

19:37 <efc> Intel should have learned that with the Itanic

19:37 <PovAddict> AFLAC: the main improvement here is 100 cores that use as much energy (and heat as much) as current 4-cores

19:37 <AFLAC> Unix will be OK

19:37 <AFLAC> Yep 10 nm cores

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19:39 <efc> Also if you actually get the 100 cores doing something, memory bandwidth becomes a real problem (and cache is split 100 ways)

19:39 <AFLAC> 50mb cache per core would help ;)

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19:40 <efc> You could save a little by say threading things internally, like if S@H ran two threads, it could share the code space at least

19:40 <efc> there might be some way to do that even as-is, I dunno

19:41 <Didactylos> From the little I know about S@H, it can scale easily.

19:41 <Didactylos> The data is a time series, and it is doing the same task across all of it, yes?

19:41 <PovAddict> efc has been dissecting it

19:42 <KathrynM> Didactylos, you called a while back?

19:42 <Didactylos> Much easier than simulations where all the state is dependant on previous calculations.

19:42 <Didactylos> Oh, yes, hi KathrynM

19:42 <KathrynM> hiya

19:42 <Didactylos> That issue you reported. PovAddict tried to reproduce it - nothing.

19:42 <efc> i entirely failed to get my point across

19:43 <Didactylos> Can you work out what makes it happen?

19:43 <KathrynM> which issue?

19:43 <PovAddict> KathrynM: "can't get official hostname"

19:43 <PovAddict> and hi

19:43 <AFLAC> HI KM

19:43 <KathrynM> uh

19:43 <KathrynM> hi AFLAC PovAddict and all the rest

19:43 <AFLAC> Long time

19:43 * KathrynM yawns

19:43 <Didactylos> efc: what was your point, then?

19:43 <KathrynM> let's see, what did I do?

19:44 <PovAddict> KathrynM: so you didn't get it again?

19:44 <PovAddict> ...easily?

19:44 <KathrynM> no.

19:44 <PovAddict> (brb one cookie wasn't enough)

19:44 <efc> afaik if you run 4 threads on your code core you have 4 copies of the executable in cache, wastes a bit of cache

19:44 <KathrynM> this is what it's spitting out now

19:44 <KathrynM> (boincmgr:30674): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()

19:44 <efc> 4 s@h threads i mean

19:45 <KathrynM> I don't remember doing anything specific.  I just started the manager

19:45 <efc> At least, I think thats the case, without doing something special like a vfork

19:45 <AFLAC> Write a better program to match the CPU then ;)

19:46 <Didactylos> efc: that's going to be an issue for everything. Presumably it's why more cores have more cache?

19:46 <AFLAC> Yep

19:46 <PovAddict> KathrynM: pango warnings? do you see any strange characters in the manager?

19:46 <KathrynM> nope

19:46 <Didactylos> KathrynM: we solved that one.

19:46 <Didactylos> We rule :-)

19:46 <KathrynM> lol

19:46 <PovAddict> that bug is found and fixed, but it also caused strange display, not only warnings

19:47 <KathrynM> everything looks normal

19:47 <Didactylos> Look at the task tab, and widen the task name column - you should see junk.

19:47 <Didactylos> Was it the name column?

19:48 <Didactylos> You may need to restart the manager.

19:48 <efc> I'd estimate the memory bandwidth on seti@home for a single thread but it would be, like, hard, so I think I won't

19:48 <KathrynM> initially I see a bunch of ????? in the app column, but they disappear within a second or so

19:48 <PovAddict> app column? that's it :)

19:48 <efc> hard to tell what the cache and fftw are doing, and no way to know if they'd behave the same, scaled up

19:49 <Didactylos> KathrynM: more noticable with lots of tasks.

19:49 <PovAddict>

19:49 <Didactylos> PovAddict: did you report it to BOINC? I forget.

19:49 <KathrynM> only 4 E@H tasks right now

19:49 <Romulus> Title: snapshot6.png (at

19:49 <PovAddict> Didactylos: hmm nope

19:50 <KathrynM> nope, never saw anything like that

19:50 <PovAddict> you saw ??? marks; counts as the same basically

19:50 <PovAddict> (I think the symbol for "invalid character" depends on the *font*)

19:51 <KathrynM> :)

19:51 <KathrynM> but they disappear

19:51 <Didactylos> Pango fixes it, we think.

19:51 <PovAddict> yep, same here

19:51 <Romulus> Title: snapshot7.png (at

19:51 <Didactylos> Every time it displays one of those messages, it caught one.

19:53 <KathrynM> I wonder if the "can't get hostname" thing was related to me fooling with the machine name.  I just did a new install of F8 and none of that fun stuff (like hostname) was asked for in the installer.

19:53 <KathrynM> I've rebooted since then.

19:54 <Didactylos> I would bet money on it.

19:54 <CoderForLife> bbl, possibly much later (hiya KathrynM)

19:54 <KathrynM> later CoderForLife

19:54 <PovAddict> ugh

19:54 <PovAddict> @ DA on boinc_dev

19:54 <KathrynM> the one about the headers?

19:55 <AFLAC> bye CFL

19:55 <PovAddict> I'm tempted to reply "Just because it's not a public interface doesn't mean it has to suck." but better not :)

19:55 <KathrynM> yah, that would probably be a bad idea

19:56 <KathrynM> PovAddict? You in Linux?

19:56 <PovAddict> yes

19:56 <KathrynM> can you look at the man page for mount

19:57 <KathrynM> look at the user option.

19:57 <KathrynM> If I have that, then I don't need noexec in my fstab, right?

19:58 <Didactylos> KathrynM, PovAddict - if you can get together and find out where that "can't get hostname" is coming from, I'll take it from there.

19:58 <Didactylos> I can't find it visually.

19:58 <Didactylos> (And I tried!)

19:59 <KathrynM> Gotta get ready for work Didactylos, but this weekend I can fool with it.  My only theory has to do with changing the computer name.

19:59 <PovAddict> if KathrynM was still getting the error, I could even give her instructions to get on gdb and pinpoint the code printing the message

20:00 <KathrynM> ooooooooo...  I've always wanted to use a debugger

20:00 <Didactylos> Cool.

20:00 * KathrynM is a geek

20:00 <PovAddict> but if it's hard to repro again...

20:00 <KathrynM> I'm off early from work tonight (as in I don't have to work till 6 or 7)

20:00 <Didactylos> Well, now we know you *were* playing with the hostname, that narrows it down an awful lot.

20:00 <KathrynM> If I'm not fried, I'll futz with it.

20:01 <KathrynM> <---- jumps in the shower

20:01 <KathrynM> laters all

20:01 <Didactylos> Later.

20:02 <Didactylos> I've forgotten what I was doing.

20:03 <PovAddict> CLIENT_STATE "class" = 102 disguised global variables and 155 functions

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20:11 <PovAddict> boinc devs would fit perfectly working for the train service here :)

20:12 <PovAddict> if a train isn't broke, it isn't fixed (or maintained); then it might break while travelling, and (after the angry passengers find some other way to get to work) either get a quick n dirty repair or taken out of service

20:14 <PovAddict> it might be compared to Windows too: people don't like it, but they *have* to use it anyway

20:15 <PovAddict> they don't bother improving it because people will *have* to use it no matter how bad it is, so the money comes in either way

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20:18 <Didactylos> CLIENT_STATE is beyond broken.

20:18 <Didactylos> I recommend we don't tackle that this iteration.

20:18 <PovAddict> on my first iteration fixing includes, I skipped that file

20:19 <PovAddict> two funny quotes (off the top of my head so probably paraphrased)

20:19 <Didactylos> Did you get Frank's property page to compile?

20:20 <PovAddict> a 15-year-old friend who has been working on an OpenGL game engine for quite a while (never-ending slowly-progressing project); I gave him a link to one of BOINC files

20:20 <PovAddict> "wtf, do they think it's ok to code like that?"

20:21 <PovAddict> (it wasn't a particularly good file I showed)

20:24 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:25 <PovAddict> and from somebody who has seen some of the code *and* some of my rants about it

20:25 <PovAddict> he was working on some image processing

20:26 <Soul_keeper> you should go postal

20:26 <PovAddict> <@Juki> Btw.. I found a bug in my program that caused everything calculated since 2008-04-09 to be invalid data..

20:26 <PovAddict> <@Juki> I really would like to create a distributed version of this.. but I'm not sure at all that this works at all well :)

20:26 <PovAddict> <@Juki> I would love to use BOINC for this but I hate the codebase.

20:28 <Didactylos>

20:28 <Romulus> Title: properties.png (at

20:31 <PovAddict> what the hell is that and what's up with the mess in your progress bar

20:32 <Didactylos> That's the new properties page by Frak Weiler(sp?) and the drifting progress bar in the background.

20:33 <Didactylos> On Windows, it doesn't just drift, it tears, too.

20:33 <Didactylos> ^Frank

20:34 <PovAddict> "infos"? I hope this isn't released

20:34 <Didactylos> No, it's 6.3

20:35 <Didactylos> 6.2 has plenty of bugs, but not these two.

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20:49 <xcamel> CFL?

20:49 <Romulus> hmm... CFL is maybe busy doing husbandly chores, xcamel

20:52 <PovAddict> lol

21:14 * Soul_keeper wonders how he ended up with TEN 120mm fans

21:15 <Soul_keeper> probably more than that if i look around ...

21:22 <efc> You were trying to build a 1.2 meter fan?

21:25 <PovAddict> well that's fail...

21:28 <PovAddict> he'd need 100

21:28 <efc> i didn't say he'd finished

21:29 <efc> &math convert 1200 mm to m

21:29 <Romulus> efc: 1.2

21:29 <PovAddict> fair enough :)

21:29 <efc> thought he might have

21:29 <PovAddict> you can't make a 1.2 meter fan by putting ten 120mm fans in a line

21:29 <PovAddict> don't you need a 10x10 grid of fans?

21:30 <efc> Its 1.2 meters... Then you go and get picky about the dimensions

21:30 <efc> I need something good to do

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21:32 <PovAddict> bored without a project?

21:32 <efc> I'm starting to wonder if there is a point to any project

21:32 <PovAddict> keeping yourself busy while working on it

21:33 <efc> the fpga thing would take years

21:33 <efc> i could try and get some more degrees

21:33 <PovAddict> refactor BOINC client code so that the CPU scheduler is a self-contained class

21:33 <PovAddict> should keep you busy for a while

21:34 <efc> That sounds like doing surgery on Dick Cheney's heart

21:35 <efc> I worked for a few years on refactoring and improving (mostly speed) an OSS project, finally gave up. They didn't want to improve.

21:36 * PovAddict prints and frames efc's last message

21:37 <efc> Endless debates over two-line code changes. Just got sick of it.

21:37 <PovAddict> me too

21:37 <PovAddict> we too*

21:37 <PovAddict>

21:37 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at

21:38 <efc> Thats it, tell BOINC to go fork itself :)

21:39 <PovAddict> yep...

21:39 <PovAddict> or "fork you!"

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21:57 <EagleScreen> hello :)

21:58 <xcamel> Nytol...

21:58 <EagleScreen> i have two questions

21:58 <xcamel> hurry...

21:59 <EagleScreen> first, boinc cannot conect to the project server in Debian GNU/Linux, only in Debian distribution sice some days ago, anyone know something about?

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22:02 <EagleScreen> okay, second is that i usually use more than one Linux distribution becouse i am beta tester and bug reporter, i would like to run the same tasks from any Linux distribution i run, sharing boing data between them, is it possible?

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22:18 <efc> "Mumm-Ra appears in the Robot Chicken episode "Toys in the Hood", voiced by Donald Faison. He is seen carpooling to work with Cobra Commander, Lex Luthor, and Skeletor."

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22:27 <Zeeno> &weather 39110

22:27 <Romulus> Zeeno: Temperature: 75F / 24C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph becoming light and variable.; Thursday - Isolated showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. The chance of (1 more message)

22:27 <Zeeno> &more

22:27 <Romulus> Zeeno: rain 10 percent.; Thursday Night - Isolated showers and thunderstorms in the early evening. Partly cloudy. Lows around 70. South winds 5 to 10 mph. The chance of rain 10 percent.;

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22:37 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: about sharing data between Linux distributions: yes you can

22:37 <PovAddict> sharing data files across platforms (like Linux and Windows) is quite hard and may be even impossible if the intermediate files aren't portable (no reason for them to be)

22:37 <PovAddict> but between Linux distributions it should be possible

22:38 <PovAddict> as long as they have the same "bitness" (32-bit / 64-bit)

22:39 <PovAddict> as for your other question, if I stay one minute longer to help troubleshoot connection problems, my parents will drag me to bed and that's no fun

22:39 * PovAddict goes to sleep

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22:40 <EagleScreen> PovAddict good night thanks

22:40 <EagleScreen> is it possible doing it with boinc-manager (sharing)?

22:41 <efc> like running some work for a while, then restarting it with a different distro or OS ?

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22:54 <EagleScreen> yes i say it

22:54 <EagleScreen> continuing the same work from other distro

22:55 <efc> probably between linuxes, between linux and windows, you'd have to try, depends on how faithfully they ported it

22:55 <EagleScreen> if not i will using four parallel boinc processes that will take too many time ti finish because i use some time one distro and some time other distro, i am tester and bug reporter

22:56 <EagleScreen> i dont want do that in Windows

22:56 <EagleScreen> only between Linux distributions

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22:58 <efc> It ought to work but you'd have to try

22:58 <efc> Especially if the binaries are the same i can't see why it wouldn't

22:59 <EagleScreen> yes, but i dont know how to do it

23:00 <efc> I guess you can dual boot linuxes but i don't know how

23:01 <EagleScreen> i will continue investigating it, realy i could contrib much more doing it

23:02 <efc> you do something with the boot loader

23:03 <KathrynM> EagleScreen, make a partition just for boinc.

23:03 <KathrynM> Mount it from whatever distro you want.

23:03 <KathrynM> You'll have to install manually rather than from your package manager.

23:04 <EagleScreen> mmm interesting...

23:04 <Soul_keeper> mmmmm new speakers

23:05 <KathrynM> make sure not to mangle /etc/fstab like I did last weekend :-)

23:05 <KathrynM> and by mangle I mean I ended up with an unbootable OS

23:05 <Soul_keeper> i got these speakers like 10 inches from my head all around me full blast

23:06 <KathrynM> Soul_keeper goes deaf in 3...  2... 1...

23:06 <Soul_keeper> i don't care

23:06 <Soul_keeper> everything was meant to go away

23:08 <Soul_keeper> ohhh yeah my here aren't working right now

23:08 <Soul_keeper> that means i got a good set

23:08 <Soul_keeper> ears

23:12 <efc> alright boinc, when i tell you to lay off the network do it dammit

23:13 <Soul_keeper> i noticed 6.3.x will steal a lot of bandwidth if you let it sit for awhile

23:13 <Soul_keeper> it'll take like 25KB/s

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23:13 <Soul_keeper> just to stay connected to a remote host

23:16 <KathrynM> lol

23:16 <KathrynM> Somehow your post got published on the 0th of July. I kid you not.

23:16 <KathrynM> Software engineers like to believe that sort of thing is impossible, but here at we do six impossible things before breakfast.

23:17 <KathrynM> thankfully it wasn't my blog that had a post on that date.

23:18 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:18 <KathrynM> My response...  "Next thing you know, we'll be publishing posts in Octember"

23:19 <Soul_keeper> fun

23:19 <Soul_keeper> i'm just happy that my speakers are louder than my neighbor's now

23:20 <KathrynM> lol

23:20 <Soul_keeper> i can't stand mexican music

23:21 <Soul_keeper> specially when i got work the next morning, so i blast my death music and it pretty much shuts them up

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23:25 <Soul_keeper> they know i'm crazy from innocdents with a shotgun and the swat team

23:26 <Soul_keeper> first set of new speakers in 10yrs

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23:34 * quail still slowly weeding cr4p out of his home directory from when ubuntu was on his laptop

23:36 <Soul_keeper> my team is doing alright in a wcg race

23:37 <Soul_keeper>

23:37 <Romulus> <> (at

23:38 <Soul_keeper> ranked 16th out of  54 teams

23:39 <Soul_keeper> the leader has 26x more points, but they also have 1000 more members

23:39 <Soul_keeper> well  2200+ members, we have 3 and only 2 are crunching in the race

23:39 <Soul_keeper> they are french

23:40 <Soul_keeper> so basically i'm faster than 1100 french people

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23:43 <Soul_keeper> hmmm even more than that considering that i've done like 90% of the team's work

23:44 <Soul_keeper> so i'm probably atleast as fast as 2000 french people

23:47 <Soul_keeper> ok i lied only like 80 french bastards

23:49 <Soul_keeper> and faster than 32 brazilians

23:54 <Soul_keeper> &dict dementia

23:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: dementia n : mental deterioration of organic or functional origin [syn: {dementedness}]; gcide: Dementia \De*men"ti*a\, n. [L., fr. demens. See {Dement}.] Insanity; madness; esp. that form which consists in weakness or total loss of thought and reason; mental imbecility; idiocy. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 50 Moby Thesaurus words for "dementia": (2 more messages)

23:54 <Soul_keeper> &more

23:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: aberration, abnormality, alienation, brain damage, brainsickness, clouded mind, craziness, daftness, dementedness, derangement, disorientation, distraction, folie, furor, insaneness, insanity, irrationality, loss of mind, loss of reason, lunacy, madness, mania, mental deficiency, mental derangement, mental disease, mental disorder, mental disturbance, mental illness, mental instability, mental (1 more message)

23:54 <Soul_keeper> &more

23:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: sickness, mind overthrown, mindsickness, oddness, pixilation, possession, queerness, rabidness, reasonlessness, senselessness, shattered mind, sick mind, sickness, strangeness, unbalance, unbalanced mind, unsaneness, unsound mind, unsoundness, unsoundness of mind, witlessness

23:55 <Soul_keeper> that's me !!!

23:56 <Soul_keeper> so yeah if i build like 8 quad core systems and crunched them 24/7 i could probably be the boss in wcg

23:57 <Soul_keeper> efc,  you around ?

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