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00:36 <efc> to celebrate the 4th I have the ol'p3 running
00:38 <efc> the extra 500 mflops will put me over the top
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07:32 <xcamel> 'lo
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08:21 <wdsmia> &quiet
08:21 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers
08:36 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
08:38 <wdsmia> *lo Jay
08:39 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
08:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60.1°F / 15.6°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High around 80. South wind near 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind around 5 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 80s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.;
08:41 <xcamel> should end up being a nice day...
08:42 * xcamel needs more coffee
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08:45 <xcamel> how's the cleanup going out there...
08:46 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 July 4 - SN 1006 Supernova Remnant (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)
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08:59 <jackygrahamez__> &wx 20011
08:59 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: Temperature: 80.8°F / 27.1°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 80s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Numerous showers and (1 more message)
09:00 <jackygrahamez__> &more
09:00 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 70s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Saturday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;
09:00 <jackygrahamez__> looks like its going to rain on our fireworks :-(
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09:25 <xcamel> you grew a big tail_____
09:25 <jackygrahamez__> indeed, it does not like old usernames
09:25 <xcamel> lol
09:26 <jackygrahamez__> and does not ever remember my password
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09:35 <PovAdct_w> these power outages are getting annoying
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09:54 <jackygrahamez__> fight the power
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10:03 <CoderForLife> hello peeps
10:04 <jackygrahamez__> hi
10:04 <CoderForLife> hello jackygrahamez__
10:04 <BB_Laptop> Mornin
10:04 <jackygrahamez__> hi CoderForLife
10:04 <CoderForLife> hi BB_Laptop
10:05 <BB_Laptop> hi CFl
10:05 <CoderForLife> the neighborhood 4th of July parade was just canceled due to the rain
10:05 <BB_Laptop> we have no fireworks here because of no rain
10:06 <CoderForLife> wouldn't want to set the Colorado River on fire
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10:07 <BB_Laptop> hehe
10:07 <BB_Laptop> &wx 86046
10:07 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: Temperature: 72.3°F / 22.4°C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 23.80in / 805.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6.7mph / 10.8km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms early in the morning...mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms in the late morning and afternoon. Highs 80 to 88. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the (2 more messages)
10:07 <BB_Laptop> &more
10:07 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: afternoon. Chance of thunderstorms 40 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows 54 to 64. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of thunderstorms 30 percent.; Saturday - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the morning...mostly cloudy (1 more message)
10:07 <BB_Laptop> &more
10:07 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: with a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs 77 to 85. Light winds. Chance of thunderstorms 40 percent.;
10:13 <CoderForLife> bbiab
10:14 <Didactylos> Who runs BOINC on multiple computers?
10:37 <xcamel> I think we all do...
10:39 <Didactylos> Nifty. What, then, do you want from a multi-client manager?
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10:50 <nickuwo> I've looked at the website suggested and it deosn't really help
10:50 <PovAdct_w> which error? I only see a warning
10:50 <nickuwo> yes, the warning
10:50 <PovAdct_w> :)
10:51 <PovAdct_w> and it's something done wrong in the default bundled set of macros, not in BOINC autoconf
10:51 <PovAdct_w> just ignore it and move along
10:51 <nickuwo> I think its causing probs
10:51 <nickuwo> I'm running make_project and it hanngs when it tries to generate keys
10:51 <PovAdct_w> no way it has anything to do
10:52 <nickuwo> hmm
10:52 <PovAdct_w> try running crypt_prog by hand
10:52 <nickuwo> ok
10:52 <PovAdct_w> &bw CryptProg
10:52 <jackygrahamez__> I fixed a probably trying to compile boinc_samples on my home computer
10:52 <PovAdct_w> with -genkey
10:53 <jackygrahamez__> actually I mispoke
10:53 <jackygrahamez__> it was a problem with compiling the main boinc stuff
10:53 <jackygrahamez__> I had it on active win32
10:54 <jackygrahamez__> using vs c++ 2008 express
10:54 <jackygrahamez__> just a default setting that threw me off
10:54 <jackygrahamez__> for a few weeks
10:55 <jackygrahamez__> and since I rest my os now I can better identify what I'm missing with regards to running python
10:56 <jackygrahamez__> now I know what people are typically missing in their native environments
11:01 <nickuwo> crypt_prog hangs
11:02 <CoderForLife> R.I.P. Jesse Helms
11:02 <nickuwo> anyone know the packages crypt_prog uses so I can reinstall them or something?
11:03 <PovAdct_w> nickuwo: gdb crypt_prog, then type "run -genkey 1024 upload_private upload_public" (ie. run followed by the arguments you'd normally pass to crypt_prog)
11:03 <jackygrahamez__> wow Jesse Helms died?
11:04 <jackygrahamez__> oh he died a while ago
11:04 <CoderForLife> today http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376389,00.html
11:05 <jackygrahamez__> oh no
11:05 <jackygrahamez__> I was looking at when he retired from senate
11:05 <CoderForLife> right, health reasons back then
11:06 <jackygrahamez__> true patriots die on the 4th of July? (6)
11:06 <nickuwo> program exited normally.
11:06 <nickuwo> odd
11:06 <CoderForLife> 1:15am
11:06 <PovAdct_w> nickuwo: "quit", then run it normally (outside gdb) again
11:07 <nickuwo> hangs
11:07 <CoderForLife> heh "Jesse Helms: Program Exited Normally"
11:07 <PovAdct_w> wtf
11:08 <PovAdct_w> CoderForLife: http://images.slashdot.org/articles/08/05/18/2254234-2.png
11:09 <CoderForLife> heh
11:10 <nickuwo> ok now it hangs in gdb as well
11:10 <nickuwo> wait
11:10 <nickuwo> nope exited normally again... just took awhile
11:12 <PovAdct_w> expect it to take 5-10 seconds
11:13 <nickuwo> that's odd that it either takes way longer or doesn't work at all outside of gdb...
11:14 <PovAdct_w> odd inded
11:14 <PovAdct_w> indeed*
11:14 <PovAdct_w> it should always work, and take longer inside gdb
11:14 <PovAdct_w> (slightly longer)
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13:12 <ilyak_> hi *
13:13 <ilyak_> After I've upgraded to lenny, boinc cpu load became saw-like: it periodically, with period of 10 seconds, drops to 0% for one second
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13:14 <ilyak_> Also, it looks like WCG doesn't acually does anything due to "peer certificate cannot be authenticated", what to do?
13:16 <PovAdct_w> ilyak_: operating system?
13:16 <ilyak_> PovAdct_w: Debian Lenny
13:16 <PovAdct_w> did you apt-get boinc?
13:17 <PovAdct_w> or where did you download BOINC from?
13:17 <ilyak_> Well, yes, I have a boinc-client 6.2.7-1 installed
13:17 <PovAdct_w> o_o
13:17 <PovAdct_w> the APT repositories have 6.2.7?
13:18 <ilyak_> Well, I guess
13:19 <PovAdct_w> well, with the dependencies of that package, I don't see why you have SSL certificate problems with WCG
13:19 <ilyak_> rosetta works just fine but WCG fails
13:19 <PovAdct_w> as for the saw-tooth CPU time: that's a setting
13:19 <PovAdct_w> maybe you set 90% CPU usage back when that setting didn't really take effect, and forgot (happened to me)
13:19 <ilyak_> PovAdct_w: Where can I change it?
13:20 <PovAdct_w> project website
13:20 <ilyak_> Which one?
13:20 <Romulus> It has been said that Which one is giving you headaches, ilyak_
13:20 <PovAdct_w> any you're attached to
13:22 <ilyak_> Oh, I see it in boincmgr settings, just changed and it now longer saws
13:22 <ilyak_> I wonder why this is set to 90% if it's niced to the death anyway
13:23 <PovAdct_w> useful for laptops
13:23 <KathrynM> PovAdct_w, Didactylos said something about the Debian folks breaking things again.
13:23 <PovAdct_w> to avoid overheating
13:23 <ilyak_> Oh.
13:24 <KathrynM> I'm not coherent enough to recall what was said though.
13:25 <Didactylos> I think updating the ca-certificate package was required.
13:25 <KathrynM> and poof Didactylos appears :)
13:25 <ilyak_> well, it tells me that latest version is installed, I'll try apt-cache update
13:25 <Didactylos> xchat hilight FTW.
13:26 <PovAdct_w> hmm boinc depends on a libcurl *with* openssl
13:26 * KathrynM loves xchat :)
13:26 <Didactylos> Correct.
13:26 <PovAdct_w> then why is it failing?
13:27 <Didactylos> Jul 03 19:17:55 <EagleScreen>I updated ca-certificates and curl to version of Debian Sid and now boinc connect well
13:27 <ilyak_> Okay, I've updated ca-certificates to 20080617
13:27 <ilyak_> I'll see if it will fix the problem
13:27 <PovAdct_w> boinc-client (6.2.7-1) on lenny depends on libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1) which depends on ca-certificates and libssl0.9.8; ca-certificates from lenny doesn't have the root cert WCG uses?
13:28 <Didactylos> Sounds like.
13:29 <ilyak_> Well, I've restarted boinc, still fails: "HTTP error"
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14:02 <Soul_keeper> ok
14:07 <ilyak_> updated curl and libcurl3 to unstable, still fails
14:09 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
14:10 <ilyak_> So I guess i'll stick with rosetta for now
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14:22 <yoyo[RKN]> wb zombie
14:24 <efc> Moo
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14:33 <Didactylos> ilyak_: are you sure libcurl is compiled with openSSL support?
14:33 <Didactylos> It it only has TLS, you may get an error like you describe.
14:34 <Didactylos> show me the startup messages, and I can confirm.
14:34 <ilyak_> well, libcurl3 depends on libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5)
14:35 <ilyak_> ðÔÎ 04 éÀÌ 2008 22:06:27||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.2 OpenSSL/0.9.8g zlib/126.96.36.199 libidn/1.8 libssh2/0.18
14:37 <Didactylos> Looks okay to me.
14:37 <Didactylos> What was the error?
14:38 <ilyak_> ðÔÎ 04 éÀÌ 2008 22:34:55|World Community Grid|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 14328 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
14:38 <ilyak_> ðÔÎ 04 éÀÌ 2008 22:34:57||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
14:38 <ilyak_> ðÔÎ 04 éÀÌ 2008 22:34:58||Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
14:38 <ilyak_> I can dump the whole log to pastebin if you will
14:38 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.org)
14:39 <ilyak_> Sorry for it still using 8859-1 in 2008
14:39 <Didactylos> type /charset UTF-8
14:39 <ilyak_> Nope, I'm talking about pastebin
14:40 <ilyak_> my irc client runs koi-8 and that's what I really mean to use
14:40 <ilyak_> Since it's still used on cyrillic channels, sadly
14:40 <ilyak_> What about that error log?
14:41 <Didactylos> You would have to turn on some logging flags.
14:41 <ilyak_> Which ones?
14:43 <Didactylos> It goes back to the CA error. Are you sure that's resolved?
14:43 <ilyak_> Well, I did install curl3 and ca-certificates from unstable.
14:43 <ilyak_> I don't know what I might do besides that.
14:45 <Didactylos> Try downloading the certificates directly:
14:46 <Didactylos> (Follow the instructions for problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?))
14:48 <ilyak_> Now it works, thanks
14:48 <ilyak_> I wonder why they broke it, but I guess I can't complain since it isn't stable yet
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14:50 <Didactylos> Please tell the package maintainers that it didn't work for you. They never test SSL, and it's beginning to piss me off.
14:51 <Didactylos> Oh, and I'm glad you got it working!
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14:51 <ilyak_> :)
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14:59 <ilyak_> Submitted a bug report
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15:45 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
15:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 72.1°F / 22.3°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Showers...becoming scattered...with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 70s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in (1 more message)
15:45 <CoderForLife> &more
15:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the lower 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 70s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;
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15:49 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather reiskirchen, germany
15:49 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 65Â°F / 18Â°C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 ° F. / 8 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 ° F. / 25 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 ° (1 more message)
16:02 * efc wishes he could get his results back from that last WU
16:15 <dizzie> Evening all :)
16:16 <efc> moo
16:19 <efc> Everybody writing their congresscritter to save Arebico?
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16:20 <efc> moo pov
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16:33 <CoderForLife> moo efc
16:33 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict
16:33 <CoderForLife> hello dizzie
16:33 <CoderForLife> oops
16:34 * CoderForLife write some Code to run on both Windows and Linux
16:35 <CoderForLife> One Code to Rule Them All
16:35 <PovAddict> stay away from any kind of GUI or networking and you'll be fine
16:35 <ilyak_> Or write in java/perl/python/whatever
16:35 <PovAddict> or text files, or threads, or...
16:35 <CoderForLife> I'm abstracting directory access ATM
16:35 <PovAddict> ilyak_: those run on their own platforms really
16:36 <PovAddict> particularly Java
16:36 <PovAddict> Java isn't cross-platform, Java *is* a platform
16:36 <ilyak_> Well, that's good.
16:36 <CoderForLife> I'm writing C Code at the moment
16:36 <ilyak_> Because underlying platform is crap on windows and too fragmented on linux
16:36 <PovAddict> good is subjective
16:36 * CoderForLife can't help himself
16:38 * CoderForLife was borned Coding C
16:38 <PovAddict> borned?
16:39 <CoderForLife> you thought I was hatched?
16:39 <PovAddict> isn't it "born"?
16:39 <CoderForLife> if you're being particular, ye
16:39 <CoderForLife> s
16:40 * CoderForLife takes his Coding conversation over to boinc_dev
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17:02 <PovAddict> "The majority of dial-up internet users say they don't want to upgrade their connection to broadband, according to a new study in the US."
17:03 <efc> it probably has something to do with the broadband being nonexistent or costing $10k for most of the people that don't already have it
17:04 <PovAddict> "When asked what it would take to tempt them to switch, 35% said the price of broadband would have to fall, while almost a fifth said that nothing would tempt them to upgrade"
17:05 <CoderForLife> some people still write paper checks to pay bills
17:05 <CoderForLife> I guess a few still have rotary dial phones
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17:06 <CoderForLife> I'm guessing a few file their tax forms in paper format, rather than electronically
17:06 * efc raises hand
17:06 <CoderForLife> yup, like me
17:07 <efc> and we don't have touch-tone on this particular phone line :p saves $1 a month
17:07 <CoderForLife> I don't have a rotary dial phone
17:07 <efc> give the computer a P and its all the same
17:07 <CoderForLife> you pulse dial?
17:07 <efc> on the computer line, yes
17:08 <efc> ....... .......... ...... ... .... .. ... ....... ....... .....
17:08 <CoderForLife> lol
17:08 <PovAddict> that your phone number?
17:09 <efc> Try it and see, but I won't accept a collect call
17:09 <PovAddict> I won't do an international call just to find out
17:09 <efc> +/- a few .'s
17:09 <efc> that's the voice line, its a touch tone. just the computer is pulse.
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17:09 <CoderForLife> once on my co-op job I came up to phone in the plant that someone had pried the rotary dial off, I used the phone by dialing by flashing the switchhook
17:10 <PovAddict> I just got quite a suspicious email
17:10 <CoderForLife> I was a resourceful co-op
17:11 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1062541 (at pastebin.ca)
17:11 <PovAddict> I haven't done any payment with my credit card
17:11 <PovAddict> oh wait - I don't *have* a credit card
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17:14 <PovAddict> wonder what I'm supposed to do with that
17:15 <CoderForLife> click on the link and surrender your identity
17:15 <PovAddict> I got two messages, one is the account creation confirmation, the other is the payment I supposedly did; three minutes between them
17:15 <PovAddict> and clicking the link should be safe since it takes to the *real* site, so it's not phishing
17:16 <CoderForLife> congratulations - you've established a fradulent credit line
17:16 <CoderForLife> sounds like it bears looking into
17:17 <efc> Is it from the right country?
17:17 <efc> I think I can pay my lease by CC, but there's a $50 fee
17:31 <PovAddict> what do you mean the right country?
17:31 <PovAddict> paylease.com is from US
17:32 <PovAddict> over here there isn't any "service to help your property lease payments" because lots (most?) people *buy* their homes
17:49 <quail> morning party animals
17:50 <dizzie> Evening all, and 3 weeks hols ahead yay :)
17:50 * dizzie scruffs quail's hair
17:51 <quail> how are we all?
17:51 <dizzie> Good thanks. Yourself ?
17:51 <quail> just woke up
17:52 <dizzie> Fri Jul 4 23:52:22 CEST 2008
17:52 <dizzie> :p
17:52 <dizzie> Morning ? =)
17:52 <quail> Sat Jul 5 07:22:20 CST 2008
17:52 * CoderForLife sees that quail wakes up and stumbles into #boinc first thing, like he does
17:52 <dizzie> Hows Saturday? =)
17:53 <quail> CoderForLife: nah I have been for biology and got coffee
17:53 <quail> &wx ypad
17:53 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 48Â°F / 9Â°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 ° F. / 8 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 ° F. / 14 ° C.; Rain. Low:48 ° F. / 9 ° C.;
17:53 <quail> for me it cold atm
17:53 <dizzie> No idea what my wx "code" is, but its 30C here, and feels like 90% humid :)
17:54 <dizzie> Stinking hot :p
17:54 <dizzie> 9C, brrrr where are you ?
17:54 <quail> australia
17:55 <dizzie> Oh i didnt know :)
17:55 <dizzie> What state, mind me asking
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17:55 <quail> adelaide, south australia
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17:56 <dizzie> Nice, i was in Melb./Vic once when i was younger
17:56 <dizzie> Perth and QLD/Bris too
17:57 <quail> :-)
17:57 <dizzie> Been in Brisbane lately ?
17:58 <quail> never been there
17:58 <dizzie> The river running across the city is brown, not blue :)
18:01 * quail enjoys his first coffee of the day
18:01 <dizzie> Coffee... mmm good idea :)
18:05 <PovAddict> "Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done"
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18:07 <quail> Total Credit 44,444 Avg. credit 2,310.89
18:07 <PovAddict> "There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We do not believe this to be a coincidence"
18:08 <Rookie_69> What type of OS is LSD? ;-)
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18:09 <PovAddict> "Computers, huh? I've heard it all boils down to just a bunch of ones and zeroes.... I don't know how that enables me to see naked women, but however it works, God bless you guys."
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18:09 <quail> Rookie_69: the phycodelic one
18:09 <Rookie_69> Oh... Happy birthday to all my American cousins.
18:10 <quail> :-( my birthday not till next month
18:11 <Rookie_69> Wouldn't that be a Birdday?
18:11 <quail> hehe ;-)
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18:24 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw
18:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 68.9Â°F / 20.5Â°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7.9mph / 12.7km/h | Updated: 7:24 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Fog patches developing this evening. Low 14C(57F).; Saturday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. High (1 more message)
18:24 <Rookie_69> &more
18:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 25C(77F) except 21C(70F) along the coast. UV index 8 or very high. Saturday night cloudy periods. Fog patches developing in the evening. Low 13C(55F).; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 26C(79F).;
18:27 <Rookie_69> What!?! No rain forecast for the weekend???
18:27 <Rookie_69> Oh 30% chance.
18:29 <Rookie_69> I don't know where they come up with their numbers. Either it will rain or it won't. Isn't that a 50% chance?
18:36 <Rookie_69> Hmm... It seems that all my American cousins may be out celebrating.
18:36 <Rookie_69> 232 this year?
18:43 <Rookie_69> &seen wdsmia
18:43 <Romulus> Rookie_69: wdsmia was last seen in #boinc 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <wdsmia> &wx 50319
18:44 * quail goes for a coffee
18:45 <Rookie_69> Aah... Breakfast.
18:49 * quail is back
18:52 <Rookie_69> Triple decaf latte with half and half, etc, or real coffee?
18:52 <Rookie_69> Lol.
18:53 <quail> real coffee
18:54 <Didactylos> Real coffee is anything containing caffeine.
18:54 * quail has plunged coffee this morning :-)
18:55 <Rookie_69> ... like a French Press?
18:55 <Rookie_69> ... or brewed in the toilet?
18:55 <Didactylos> Individual cup filters - convenience++
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18:56 <quail> Rookie_69: I thought french coffee was brewed in the toilet :-P
18:56 <Rookie_69> Lol.
18:57 <quail> hehe
18:57 <Rookie_69> I use double the coffee and quadruple the water in an espresso machine and dose it with lits of cream as a rule...
18:58 <Rookie_69> Lits??? .. Lots...
18:58 <PovAddict> liters?
18:59 <Rookie_69> Probably eight ounces of pretty strong coffee and three ounces of coffee cream.
19:00 <PovAddict> &math convert ounce to whatever else I can understand
19:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: whateverelseIcanunderstand is not a valid unit.
19:00 <PovAddict> meh
19:00 <Rookie_69> Lol.
19:00 <quail> hehe
19:01 <Rookie_69> &math convert ounce to litre
19:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: unit categories did not match
19:01 <Rookie_69> &math convert ounce to litre
19:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: unit categories did not match
19:01 <Rookie_69> &math convert Ounce to Litre
19:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: Ounce is not a valid unit.
19:01 <Rookie_69> ?
19:01 <Soul_keeper> &math convert OZ to grams
19:01 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: OZ is not a valid unit.
19:01 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 OZ to grams
19:01 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: OZ is not a valid unit.
19:01 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 ounce to grams
19:01 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 28.349523125
19:01 <Soul_keeper> need a unit to go with you tag
19:01 <Rookie_69> &math convert fluid Ounce to Litre
19:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: fluid is not a valid unit.
19:02 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 OZ to litre
19:02 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: OZ is not a valid unit.
19:02 <PovAddict> fluid ounce?
19:02 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 ounce to litre
19:02 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: unit categories did not match
19:02 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 ounce to liter
19:02 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: unit categories did not match
19:02 <PovAddict> &math units
19:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: valid types: mass, length, time, scheduling, temperature, temp. diff., current, charge, potential, resistance, conductance, capacitance, magn. flux, inductance, flux density, molecular qty, size of a mol, lum. intens., luminous flux, illuminance, luminance, angle, solid angle, data, data transfer, quantity, interest rate, concentration, force, area, volume, velocity, rot. velocity, fluid flow, gas (1 more message)
19:02 <PovAddict> &math units volume
19:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: volume units: cc, cubic centimeter, liter, L, litre, deciliter, centiliter, milliliter, mL, dekaliter, hectoliter, kiloliter, kL, cubic meter, megaliter, gallon, gal, quart, qt, pint, pt, fluid ounce, fl oz, ounce fluid, cup, tablespoon, tbsp, teaspoon, tsp, barrel, bbl, shot, fifth, wine bottle, magnum, keg, bushel, peck, cord, board foot, board feet
19:02 <PovAddict> ah I know why
19:03 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 "fluid ounce" liter
19:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 0.0295735295625
19:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 fluid ounce to liter
19:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: fluid is not a valid unit.
19:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 fluid ounce to litre
19:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: fluid is not a valid unit.
19:03 <Rookie_69> &math convert 1 fl oz to liter
19:03 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: fl is not a valid unit.
19:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 ounce fluid to litre
19:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: fluidtolitre is not a valid unit.
19:03 <PovAddict> quoooootes
19:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 "ounce fluid" to litre
19:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 0.0295735295625
19:04 <PovAddict> a "bbl" is a volume unit?
19:04 <PovAddict> o.o
19:05 <Rookie_69> BBl is short for barrel.
19:05 <Rookie_69> 205 litres.
19:06 <Rookie_69> 8 ounces is about .23 litres of=r so...
19:06 <Rookie_69> ... or so...
19:06 <PovAddict> heh 'gal'
19:06 <PovAddict> magnum?
19:07 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 magnum to liters
19:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: 1.5
19:07 <Rookie_69> Magnum is a wine measure, AFAIK.
19:08 <Rookie_69> Magnum = big bottle.
19:08 <Rookie_69> Gimme a double...
19:10 <Rookie_69> Wime bbl may not be 205 litres though...
19:11 <Rookie_69> Once upon a time, your car might have a 4 bbl carburettor, but that's a different barrel.
19:17 <Rookie_69> American news on...
19:18 <Rookie_69> If I was to run for the American Presidency, I would probably use the nickname Barry... and yes, I would definitely drop the middle name Hussein!
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19:45 <KathrynM> To all the US-ians out there http://www.liquidgeneration.com/Media/Videos/Viral_Videos/TV_Movie/Happy_4th_from_The_Muppets/
19:49 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan
19:49 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 74Â°F / 23Â°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Mist | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:84 ° F. / 29 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.;
19:50 <Rookie_69> Hi, K.
19:51 <KathrynM> mornin Rookie_69
19:53 <Rookie_69> Sorry... Busy watching Swedish Chef, Animal, and the guys...
19:54 <KathrynM> lol
19:54 <KathrynM> Beaker as the piccolo was great
19:54 <Rookie_69> :-)
19:54 <KathrynM> My brother sent it to me.
19:55 <Rookie_69> Beaker... Why couldn't I remember that? We named one of the guys after him.
19:58 <Rookie_69> I just made the mistake of opening a box of chocolate covered granola bars...
19:58 <KathrynM> yummmmmmmmy
19:58 <KathrynM> is 9am too early to eat my last mini 3muskateers?
19:58 <Rookie_69> Too much so... Three gone already.
19:59 <Rookie_69> Is the sun too bright to shine?
19:59 <KathrynM> nah
19:59 <KathrynM> :)
19:59 <Rookie_69> Eat it and the answer will reveal itself.
20:00 <Rookie_69> ... or not.
20:00 * KathrynM listens to stomach requesting a real breakfast.
20:01 <KathrynM> Hmmm... HoneyNut Cherrios or Kashi blueberry granola stuff or Eggo waffles?
20:01 <KathrynM> (god bless Costco)
20:01 <Rookie_69> Bacon flavored coffee and coffee flavored cereal?
20:01 <KathrynM> cause god knows you can't get this stuff in a regular store
20:01 <KathrynM> lol
20:02 <KathrynM> finding real bacon in the country is next to impossible
20:02 <Rookie_69> Go Brit and look for kippered herring?
20:03 <KathrynM> probably easier to find vegemite :)
20:03 <Rookie_69> Yum... yeast paste!
20:03 <Rookie_69> Lol.
20:04 <KathrynM> I remember the aussies i lived with in grad school loving the stuff.
20:04 <Rookie_69> "She just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich."
20:05 * Rookie_69 quotes some old song.
20:06 <KathrynM> :)
20:06 <CoderForLife> baaaack
20:06 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM Rookie_69
20:06 <KathrynM> hiya CoderForLife
20:06 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don... Tired of celebrating?
20:06 <KathrynM> How goes the Coding?
20:06 <KathrynM> or does CoderForLife take a Code break on national holidays
20:06 <KathrynM> ?
20:06 <CoderForLife> I've been doing some Coding today - and just started installing CentOS 5.2
20:07 <Rookie_69> Coder celebrates holidays by coding...
20:07 <CoderForLife> I have given up on anything tainted by Debian
20:07 <KathrynM> come back to the RedHat light
20:08 <CoderForLife> IMHO, ubuntu server is a mess
20:08 <CoderForLife> yup - home again
20:08 <KathrynM> gonna see if I can reproduce a bug.
20:09 <Rookie_69> Fruitflies are supposed to be easy to reproduce...
20:09 * CoderForLife swept up 3 ants by the front door
20:10 <Rookie_69> Sweep them into the scanner...
20:10 <KathrynM> yay. reproduced it
20:10 <KathrynM> PovAddict, Didactylos either of you around?
20:10 <Rookie_69> Ants or fruitflies?
20:10 <Didactylos> I am.
20:10 <KathrynM> reproduced the can't get network name thing
20:11 <KathrynM> (or whatever the text was)
20:11 <PovAddict> ooh is it printing that *right now*?
20:11 <KathrynM> all I have to do is change the computer name
20:11 <KathrynM> no, I stopped it
20:11 <Rookie_69> Thingie?
20:11 <KathrynM> now it's going.
20:11 <PovAddict> I mean, if you start boincmgr again, it does so?
20:11 <KathrynM> what do you need
20:11 <PovAddict> so you figured out how to repro
20:11 <PovAddict> let me test myself
20:11 <KathrynM> yes, it'll probably keep going until the services are restarted or the computer rebooted
20:11 <KathrynM> yes, I just changed the host name
20:12 <KathrynM> I'm emailing Rom now (he sent me an email about it too)
20:12 <CoderForLife> well, I'm going to go watch the CentOS installation paint dry
20:12 <Rookie_69> Lol.
20:12 <KathrynM> have fun
20:12 <CoderForLife> Oooo yeah
20:12 <CoderForLife> tc all
20:13 <Rookie_69> L8er.
20:14 <PovAddict> can't repro
20:14 <PovAddict> maybe I'm changing things wrong
20:14 <KathrynM> I go into system - network configuration
20:15 <KathrynM> dns tab
20:15 <KathrynM> change hostname and save
20:15 <KathrynM> start the manager (I do it from a shell)
20:15 <KathrynM> message prints every second
20:15 <PovAddict> well, I changed my computer name from the shell using 'hostname'
20:15 <PovAddict> all sorts of things broke
20:15 <KathrynM> :)
20:15 <KathrynM> I've not noticed anything else breaking.
20:16 <PovAddict> I changed it back
20:16 <PovAddict> yet I *can't start any app*
20:16 <KathrynM> It does say you should reboot or restart the network services
20:16 <PovAddict> can't reach KLaunch via DCOP
20:16 <KathrynM> restart the network service
20:16 <KathrynM> (not that I know exactly which service that would be)
20:17 <Didactylos> PovAddict: I don't think that's permanent, anyway.
20:17 <PovAddict> &ping
20:17 <Romulus> pong
20:17 <PovAddict> Didactylos: oh definitely, a reboot would fix it <.<
20:17 <KathrynM> bye bye uptime
20:17 <PovAddict> if I start Konsole from the panel icon, it says it can't reach KLauncher via DCOP
20:17 <PovAddict> if I start it from another Konsole, it says it can't connect to the X server to :0.0
20:18 <KathrynM> you really broke it
20:19 * Rookie_69 is glad he only runs an idiot-proof BOINC version on an old linux box when it's cold.
20:20 <KathrynM> there's an idiot proof version of boinc?
20:20 <Rookie_69> Well, it keeps working for me.
20:20 <PovAddict> I renamed a few DCOP-related files in ~ that still had the old hostname
20:20 <PovAddict> no workie
20:21 <KathrynM> A debian thing perhaps?
20:22 <PovAddict> I really broke KDE
20:22 * PovAddict starts cleanly closing things
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20:23 <Rookie_69> Don't push that button any more.
20:23 <KathrynM> lol. push the blue one instead
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20:25 * Rookie_69 is going to go cuddle up with a good audio book...
20:26 <Rookie_69> NN.
20:26 <PovAddict> yeah, if I change my hostname, I can't start apps at all
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20:27 <KathrynM> Fedora FTW
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20:31 <PovAddict> okay so...
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21:11 <KathrynM> gonna lay down for a bit
21:11 <KathrynM> bb
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22:34 <PovAddict> valgrind profiler is around the best thing I've tried
22:36 <PovAddict> looks like when running boinc_cmd --get_project_config, 43% of the time it takes is loading shared libraries... I didn't know the dynamic linker was that slow
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23:02 <PovAddict> I just profiled the manager
23:02 <PovAddict> biggest CPU hog: strstr
23:02 <PovAddict> oh wait loaded wrong dump v.v
23:03 <efc> Having problems on the manager?
23:04 <PovAddict> just f*cking around with valgrind
23:04 <efc> Ah
23:05 <Didactylos> strstr? That would be the biggest cost of GUIRPC, I would guess.
23:05 <PovAddict> Didactylos: yes, I had loaded the wrong dump (one from boinc_cmd)
23:05 <Didactylos> DA has funny ideas about optimisation.
23:05 <PovAddict> with boincmgr the dump is unreadable :) but pango seems to be pretty much at top
23:05 <PovAddict> oh actually...
23:06 <PovAddict> the biggest hog wasn't strstr, it was sprintf called from parse_bool
23:06 <PovAddict> depends on the command really
23:06 <Didactylos> He'll agonise over a function that gets called once, but something that is called all the time? Zip.
23:07 <PovAddict> I do that *sometimes*
23:07 <Didactylos> I hate premature optimisation.
23:07 <PovAddict> but I definitely won't do it anymore with *this* hell of a profiler
23:07 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --get_state
23:07 <PovAddict> strstr used 43% of the main() runtime
23:08 <PovAddict> sprintf 15.43%
23:08 <PovAddict> printf (to output the result to the console) 10.23%
23:09 <PovAddict> I'll *try* to do another boincmgr profile...
23:09 <PovAddict> (synecdoche boincmgr actually, since it's the only one I have handy with debugging symbols)
23:09 <Didactylos> why use a hashtable or something, when you can compare your string to every possible string?
23:10 <PovAddict> Didactylos: that's what it looked like the Linux dynamic loader was doing actually :/
23:10 * PovAddict makes another boinccmd dump, *not* starting from main() but from the very top level
23:12 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --get_project_config
23:12 <PovAddict> 14210 calls to strcmp
23:12 <Didactylos> Oh, remember that const overloading of strstr?
23:12 <PovAddict> all of them from ld-2.7.so
23:12 <Didactylos> Apparently char * strstr ( const char *, const char * ); is C
23:12 <Didactylos> and
23:12 <Didactylos> const char * strstr ( const char * str1, const char * str2 );
23:12 <Didactylos> char * strstr ( char * str1, const char * str2 );
23:13 <Didactylos> are C++
23:13 <PovAddict> that 'splains stuff
23:13 * KathrynM head splodes
23:14 <Didactylos> strcmp is much more efficient, because it terminates as soon as it doesn't match.
23:14 <Didactylos> strstr has to go all the way.
23:15 <Didactylos> With real strings, optimisation would be possible. With C strings, optimisation is almost impossible.
23:15 <PovAddict> actually with C strings you can do quite a bit of optimization
23:15 <PovAddict> ...doing pointer arithmetic and other uglyness instead of calling library functions
23:16 <PovAddict> (although you need assembly code to beat strcmp speed)
23:16 <Didactylos> I mean for strstr. The algorithms I know would need the string length.
23:18 <Didactylos> Nothing wrong with library functions. It's all inlined by the compiler.
23:18 <Didactylos> Not that I care enough to check :-D
23:19 <PovAddict> I know simple stuff like strcpy is written in assembly
23:19 <PovAddict> with the loop unrolled a few levels; enough to improve speed, not enough to fill too much the instruction cache
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23:32 <Didactylos> KathrynM: did you get a call stack from that hostname thing?
23:33 <KathrynM> nope
23:33 <KathrynM> tried with PovAddict
23:33 <KathrynM> PovAddict, ping
23:33 <PovAddict> Didactylos: "break write" isn't enough; for example, perror() seems to print stuff by itself, not even calling write (which I thought was as lowlevel as it could get)
23:34 <KathrynM> btw, a reboot didn't fix it this time
23:34 <PovAddict> but we didn't really try that part, she got a strange message and I was trying to figure out what it was about :)
23:34 <PovAddict> I tried on my machine that perror() didn't trigger it
23:35 <Didactylos> It was *exactly* once per second, wasn't it?
23:37 <KathrynM> yup Didactylos
23:43 <KathrynM> gdb is fun
23:43 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 1062774 (at pastebin.ca)
23:44 <Didactylos> I was looking at that.
23:44 <Didactylos> I ruled it out because the timer is supposed to be 250 ms.
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23:50 <KathrynM> oh this is interesting
23:50 <KathrynM> in simple view I don't get the error at all
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23:50 <KathrynM> bunch of messages about missing images (meh, whatever)
23:50 <KathrynM> rather not being able to load images
23:51 <PovAddict> IsComputerLocal() is used to change the statusbar message
23:51 <KathrynM> god is the bsgui *ugly*
23:51 <KathrynM> the buttons are almost unreadable
23:51 <PovAddict> &bticket 119
23:52 <Didactylos> It's u8gly even when it isn't broken.
23:52 <Didactylos> I don't know what IBM were thinking - programmers are rarely graphic artists.
23:52 <PovAddict> KathrynM: see my attachment
23:52 <KathrynM> it's a bloody blocker?
23:53 <KathrynM> and it was reported in 5.9?
23:53 <KathrynM> holy crap
23:53 <PovAddict> yes it's a blocker but it was *closed as fixed*
23:54 <Didactylos> The "solution" was to revert to wxwidgets 2.6
23:54 <KathrynM> head asplodes
23:54 <PovAddict> on the official binaries...
23:54 <Didactylos> Not that they documented that fact.
23:54 <KathrynM> so uh, this is the official berk binary I have
23:54 <KathrynM> so uh
23:54 * KathrynM will stick to teaching English
23:55 <KathrynM> let me screen shoot it
23:56 <Didactylos> PovAddict: OnPoll isn't the status bar.
23:56 <PovAddict> then you tell me
23:56 <PovAddict> what is IsLocalHostname called for?
23:57 <Didactylos> That confuses me, because it's called there, too.
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23:59 <PovAddict> treemap of boincmgr profile dump