IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-07-05

00:00 <Didactylos> What's do_lookup_x?

00:01 <Didactylos> Anyway, this illustrates why GUI optimisation needs more than just a profiler...

00:02 <efc> Is the GUI really slow?

00:03 <PovAddict> do_lookup is part of the dynamic linker afaik

00:03 <Didactylos> BOINC? Apart from cosmetic issues, you mostly lose CPU cycles to the GUIRPC stuff.

00:05 <Didactylos> KathrynM: I'm flumoxed. That call stack should be impossible.

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00:05 <PovIpod> not only GUIRPC

00:05 <KathrynM> I do many impossible things

00:06 <efc> I'm still looking at fft-on-fpga ideas.. the papers make it sound easy, but then you realize they had three PhD's working for a couple months on it

00:06 <PovIpod> the whole list control is cleared and refilled with the new items

00:06 <KathrynM> well, it only occurs in the tabbed gui

00:06 <Didactylos> Oh! Wait...

00:07 <PovIpod> lots of redrawing + memory allocations

00:07 <Didactylos> Optimising compiler removed a function call. Makes more sense now.

00:08 <PovIpod> yeah, the debug version is like the real thing, just with symbols; not a -O0 build

00:15 <Didactylos> KathrynM: Well, I can fix the problem, even if I can't see *how* that call stack exists.

00:16 <KathrynM> I guess that's good news

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00:18 <Didactylos> Mmmmm. Not entirely sure it should be fixed.

00:18 <PovIpod> line numbers may be off

00:19 <Didactylos> No, they're fine.

00:20 <Didactylos> But the OnPoll timer should fire every 250ms, not 1000ms.

00:20 <Didactylos> OTOH, the timer that controls the status text *does* fire every 1000ms.

00:25 <Didactylos> I'm a fool.

00:25 <Didactylos> Of course the status text timer is creating the messages.

00:26 <Didactylos> It's just that the OnPoll timer ran first, and for this first occassion only, it caused the break.

00:26 <PovIpod> Didactylos: what timezone are you in?

00:26 <Didactylos> It all makes sense. And since it's almost morning, I'm going to sleep now.

00:27 <KathrynM> Good night Didactylos

00:27 <Didactylos> BST (GMT+1)

00:28 <KathrynM> and shouldn't PovIpod be in bed too :-)

00:28 <PovIpod> I am

00:28 <PovIpod> ;)

00:28 <KathrynM> let me rephrase that

00:28 <Didactylos> Thought you were GMT-5?

00:28 <KathrynM> shouldn't PovIpod be sleeping now?

00:29 <PovIpod> I'm GMT-3

00:29 <PovIpod> 1:30am here

00:29 <PovIpod> kathryn: probably

00:29 <KathrynM> lol

00:29 <Didactylos> Morning. Time to cringe from another day.

00:31 <PovIpod> mkay

00:31 <Didactylos> Night. (And I mean that purely as a convention.)

00:32 <quail> &wx ypad

00:32 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 1:30 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 (1 more message)

00:32 <quail> damn it feels colder than that

00:34 <efc> &math convert 1 megaton to joules

00:34 <Romulus> efc: Error: megaton is not a valid unit.

00:35 <quail> &math convert 1 mton to joules

00:35 <Romulus> quail: Error: mton is not a valid unit.

00:36 <PovIpod> although think some people around here are currently waiting to get in the nightclub!

00:36 * PovIpod ---> sleep

00:49 <zombie67> 1776!  My favorite musical!

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03:17 <Soul_keeper> excellent !

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03:58 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 67.4F / 19.7C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. Northeast winds (1 more message)

04:00 <CoderForLife> &more

04:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: around 5 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon.;

04:21 <quail> hey party animals

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05:25 <CoderForLife> yeah, party animal - wee..

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06:57 <CoderForLife> to the store

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08:35 <xcamel> ip kill >>

09:25 <CoderForLife> re-hi

09:25 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel

09:27 <xcamel> mornin

09:28 <CoderForLife> thx for the plink

09:29 <CoderForLife> "another one bites the dust"

09:37 <xcamel> see any good fireworks last night?

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09:44 <CoderForLife> is it real, or is it wdsmia Memorex?

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09:47 <Didactylos> Should be a quiet weekend.

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10:09 <Didactylos> Oh, nifty!

10:11 <Didactylos> I just realised that doing things like allowing project commands to be available in the task or message tabs means that you can operate based on the task or message project.

10:11 <Didactylos> This is why familiarity with a UI blinds you to possibility.

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10:14 <CoderForLife> lots of fireworks in the neigborhood (the upper driveway is covered in crap); big fireworks rise over the treeline from a nearby park, so we get great viewing from the 2nd floor of the house

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11:27 <BB_Laptop> &wx 86023

11:27 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: Temperature: 65F / 18.3C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the morning with a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 76 on the North Rim to around 100 along the Colorado River. Light winds becoming southwest around 15 mph in the (2 more messages)

11:28 <BB_Laptop> &more

11:28 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Lows around 56 on the North Rim to around 71 along the Colorado River. West winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Sunday - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 77 on the North Rim to around 101 along the (1 more message)

11:28 <BB_Laptop> &more

11:28 <Romulus> BB_Laptop: Colorado River. Light winds becoming west around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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12:11 <xcamel> back for a bit..

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12:20 <CoderForLife> wb

12:24 <CoderForLife>

12:24 <Romulus> <> (at

12:25 <xcamel> that guy is nuts..

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12:28 <CoderForLife> lol

12:28 <CoderForLife> pretty neat APOD

12:28 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

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12:53 <zombie67> LHC is finally upgrading their BOINC server version

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13:32 <Didactylos> .match lyrics army

13:33 <Didactylos> Damn. Wrong bot.

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13:37 <nickuwo> n e one know why my client would not be able to download just one files  out of 5 in downloads? my apache error log and access log mentions nothing about the file...

13:38 <Didactylos> What dos the client say?

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13:40 <nickuwo> started download of gmp.dll.... and then it never downloads

13:40 <nickuwo> downloads all the other files fine

13:40 <Didactylos> Maybe your security software is interfering.

13:41 <nickuwo> why just that one file though?

13:41 <Didactylos> Check your security logs, and try some debug flags.

13:41 <nickuwo> I even redid make_project and its still that one file

13:41 <Didactylos> It's a dll. Security software is more likely to trip on executable files.

13:42 <Didactylos> nickuwo: Have you any reason to suppose this isn't a client problem?

13:42 <nickuwo> I have no idea where the problem is...

13:43 <nickuwo> I think it's a server problem

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13:43 <nickuwo> actually... client says "Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)

13:43 <nickuwo> "

13:44 <Didactylos> That's a symptom of security software interference. What security software do you use?

13:44 <nickuwo> on my client

13:44 <nickuwo> ?

13:44 <Didactylos> Yes.

13:45 <nickuwo> nothing... anti-virus bout it

13:46 <Didactylos> Yes, the anti-virus software. What is it?

13:48 <nickuwo> I really think the problem is server side since my apache access.log doesn't even show the  file being requested

13:48 <Didactylos> Doesn't that prove the problem is client-side?

13:48 <nickuwo> hmm

13:49 <Didactylos> Or can you think of a reason why apache should drop a connection when a single specific file is requested, without logging anything at all? I can't.

13:49 <nickuwo> I  think prove might be a little strong.... but anyway, my anti-virus isn't running... no firewall

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13:55 <jackygrahamez__> &wx 20001

13:55 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: Temperature: 84.0F / 28.9C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Tonight - Occasional showers and thunderstorms. Lows around 70. Southeast winds around 5 mph. (1 more message)

13:55 <jackygrahamez__> &more

13:55 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: Chance of rain 90 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

13:56 <jackygrahamez__> ah the weather people exagerate

13:56 <jackygrahamez__> I should have done my bike ride to Mt Vernon

13:58 <nickuwo> this is frustrating

13:59 <jackygrahamez__> Whats frustraiting nickuwo?

13:59 <nickuwo> it downloads a different dll fine, why would it only pick out one to not download...

14:00 <jackygrahamez__> hmmm :-)

14:00 <nickuwo> my client is not dling a specific dll and I can't figure out why

14:00 <jackygrahamez__> what project?

14:00 <Romulus> Somebody said what project are we talking about, jackygrahamez__

14:00 <nickuwo> my project,

14:01 <jackygrahamez__> not visible to the public I take it?

14:01 <nickuwo> you should be able to access it

14:01 <jackygrahamez__> ok

14:02 <jackygrahamez__> are these dlls distributed with your application or workunits?

14:02 <nickuwo> application

14:03 <jackygrahamez__> is the download directory viewable to the public?

14:04 <nickuwo> I tried to access it with firefox and got a 403, is that what you mean?

14:05 <jackygrahamez__> yes, you could have it indexed or not

14:05 <nickuwo> not indexed

14:05 <jackygrahamez__> how did you sign your code?

14:06 <nickuwo> manually

14:06 <nickuwo> sign_executable etc

14:06 <jackygrahamez__> you have signature files in your application directory?

14:06 <nickuwo> yes

14:07 <jackygrahamez__> you ran bin/update_versions to load the application

14:07 <jackygrahamez__> ?

14:07 <nickuwo> yes

14:08 <jackygrahamez__> ok I got an idea

14:08 <nickuwo> Didactylos thinks it's a client problem....

14:09 <jackygrahamez__> can you download the file using your browser by typing in ?

14:09 <Romulus> <> (at

14:10 <nickuwo> yes

14:10 <jackygrahamez__> yes so it probably is a client problem what version are your using?

14:11 <jackygrahamez__> also check your logs

14:11 <nickuwo> 5.10.3

14:11 <jackygrahamez__> both the project logs and your http logs

14:12 <jackygrahamez__> See what the nature of the error is when you try to reset and download the application files

14:12 <nickuwo> where are those?

14:12 <jackygrahamez__> ok so the project logs would probably be under ramsey/ramsey_log

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14:12 <jackygrahamez__> if its not there do a ls under your project directory

14:13 <nickuwo> server logs, got it

14:13 <jackygrahamez__> you need help finding the http logs?

14:13 <nickuwo> The request shows up in access.log when I requested in firefox, but not when my client requests

14:14 <nickuwo> no errors in boinc logs

14:14 <jackygrahamez__> right

14:14 <jackygrahamez__> did you have an error.log under http?

14:15 <nickuwo> yes, nothing about gmp.dll

14:16 <nickuwo> it is my client, someone else's client is getting gmp.dlll

14:16 <nickuwo> wtf

14:16 <nickuwo> that u?

14:17 <jackygrahamez__> no not me

14:17 <jackygrahamez__> I don't know the path

14:17 <nickuwo> interesting... well at least it works

14:18 <jackygrahamez__> does it mater if someone is downloading it right now?

14:18 <nickuwo> what do you mean?

14:18 <jackygrahamez__> security ?

14:18 <Romulus> Somebody said security is rarely convenient, jackygrahamez__

14:19 <nickuwo> should be fine

14:21 <nickuwo> still dont understand why I can't dl it...

14:21 <jackygrahamez__> one thing I do to test a project, I setup the client on the server and see if everything works

14:22 <nickuwo> that's kinda what I'm doing, just on a different computer...

14:22 <jackygrahamez__> you can also try one of the earlier versions of BOINC

14:22 <jackygrahamez__>

14:22 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

14:23 <jackygrahamez__> Client that is

14:24 <nickuwo> hmm

14:24 <nickuwo> nice, It worked

14:24 <nickuwo> update my client

14:25 <jackygrahamez__> cool

14:25 <nickuwo> thx

14:38 <efc> &seen bitable_kat

14:38 <Romulus> efc: I have not seen bitable_kat.

14:39 <jackygrahamez__> &seen George_W_Bush

14:39 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: I have not seen George_W_Bush.

14:40 <jackygrahamez__> good for you!

14:41 <efc> can't remember how she spells that

14:41 <efc> &seen biteablekat

14:41 <Romulus> efc: biteablekat was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <BiteAbleKat> maybe it was talking about kermit commmiting suicide that made your coffee go cold

14:41 <efc> &seen biteable_kat

14:41 <Romulus> efc: I have not seen biteable_kat.

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14:49 <CoderForLife> re-hi

14:49 <CoderForLife> back from Home Depot

14:49 <CoderForLife> &seen tamar

14:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: tamar was last seen in #boinc 15 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: * tamar jams:-Missing Persons - Walkin in LA.mp3

14:50 <efc> moo CFL

14:50 <CoderForLife> moo efc

14:53 <efc> the hedgetrimmers killed my arm in a hurry

14:54 <efc> chicken-arms

15:05 <efc> They're doing better than the shrubbery, though

15:07 <efc> We're doing a good job of modding down the Arebico trolls on slashdot. Keep it up.

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15:28 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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15:29 <CoderForLife> um, chickens don't *have* arms, efc

15:29 <CoderForLife> &more

15:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon.;

15:30 <CoderForLife> dang - it feels more humid than that

15:30 <Didactylos> Slashdot? People still read that?

15:48 <PovAddict> hi

15:50 <PovAddict> zombie67: LHC doing WHAT?

15:51 <PovAddict> [15:18] <jackygrahamez__> security ?

15:51 <PovAddict> [15:18] <Romulus> Somebody said security is rarely convenient,

15:51 <PovAddict> lol Romulus quoting CoderForLife

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16:07 <CoderForLife> heh

16:07 <CoderForLife> he forgot the trademark

16:36 <PovAddict> last night I was playing with Valgrind

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16:44 <mwalling> PovAddict: reducing the entropy for openssl?

16:44 * mwalling duc

16:44 <mwalling> s

16:44 <mwalling> k

16:44 <mwalling> fsck

16:44 <PovAddict> lol

16:44 <PovAddict> not really

16:45 <PovAddict> just playing with the profiler

16:45 <PovAddict> and ran the memcheck tool against my XML parser, to make sure it wasn't leaking any more memory blocks than the ones I already know about

16:45 <mwalling> heh

16:46 <dizzie> Mmmm this is a tad small, 8px font on a 1680x1050 res screen ;o)

16:46 <dizzie> Type a bit louder please :)

16:47 <PovAddict> XD

16:47 <PovAddict> Didactylos: I think I'll have to recompile wxWidgets without unicode support and build the manager against it

16:47 <PovAddict> without pango support, specifically

16:48 <dizzie> wxWidgets.... gives me headache :)

16:48 <Didactylos> You and me both.

16:48 <PovAddict> pango is too CPU intensive, it's the main profile clutterer here

16:48 <dizzie> Why without Pango ?

16:49 <dizzie> What wmg are you using ?

16:49 <dizzie> Gnome is a guess

16:49 <PovAddict> I'm using KDE3

16:49 <dizzie> Not as bad

16:49 <PovAddict> I'm profiling boinc manager, which was compiled against wxWidgets-gtk2, gtk seems to be using pango

16:50 <dizzie> Trying out XFCE4 atm

16:50 <Didactylos> PovAddict: what did you expect?

16:50 <dizzie> GTK is Pango, or was it the other way around :p

16:50 <PovAddict> I wonder if a non-unicode wx would get rid of pango

16:51 <dizzie> Cant you kill pango as a compile arg?

16:51 <PovAddict> 36.10% of the manager CPU time was inside the pango shared libraries

16:51 <dizzie> --no-pango or sth

16:51 <PovAddict> dizzie: do all GTK apps expose that kind of switches?

16:52 <PovAddict> because boincmgr is not a GTK app, it's a wxWidgets app, which happens to be using GTK right now

16:52 <dizzie> It was a guess, i dont know, but try look in the readme or whatever its called, if in doubt try the xchatsrc as i know xchat is build on pango

16:52 <dizzie> Why would wx use pango anyway

16:53 <dizzie> *shrugs*

16:53 <PovAddict> it doesn't

16:53 <PovAddict> wx uses gtk, gtk uses pango

16:54 <dizzie> And yoy are sure thats its Pango sucking CPU? and not GTK

16:54 <dizzie> s/thats/that

16:54 <PovAddict> 21.42%

16:55 <PovAddict> 16.06%

16:55 <dizzie> Ouch :)

16:55 <dizzie> That from "top" ?

16:55 <PovAddict> 14.68%

16:55 <PovAddict> no, from the profile results

16:55 <PovAddict> add up both pango % and compare against the glib one :)

16:56 <dizzie> No idea how less it would use on my new Quadcore :)

16:56 <dizzie> Alot less hehe

16:56 <PovAddict> no, the same

16:56 <PovAddict> this is % relative to the total CPU used by the app

16:56 <PovAddict> (ie. the main() call shows as 100%)

16:56 <mwalling> dizzie: relative to total available cpu, less, but... yeah, what he said

16:56 <dizzie> Well, with a 2.5GHZ quadcore i'm sure i wont even notice :)

16:57 <dizzie> Maybe on my GW which is a P233 from 1987 :o

16:57 <dizzie> 97 even

16:57 <mwalling> yeah i was going to say

16:57 <PovAddict> the point is finding the bottleneck, to see what *part* of the program makes boincmgr use a noticeable lot of CPU when there are hundreds of workunits in the list

16:57 <dizzie> 10 years give or take :)

16:58 <mwalling> my parents had a top of the line PS/2 Sys 60 in 1988

16:58 <PovAddict> makes a big difference, dizzie

16:58 <dizzie> But PovAddict see if there is somewhere (makefile perhaps) where you can "kill" the pango use

16:58 <PovAddict> in '87 I wasn't born

16:58 <mwalling> i was born in april that year

16:58 <dizzie> I am from 1971 :)

16:59 <PovAddict> oh probably I can get rid of pango... I'd just need to recompile gtk with pango disabled, wxWidgets using that gtk, and boincmgr using that wxWidgets :\

16:59 <mwalling> *ouch*

16:59 <mwalling> chroot time ;)

17:00 <mwalling> boincmgr built staticly then?

17:00 <PovAddict> but meh... if I managed to cross-compile gtkmm (and its 14 dependencies) for Windows, I should be able to do this

17:00 <dizzie> Ok thats new, from POST to booted: Less than 15sec

17:00 <PovAddict> dizzie: Fedora was working on 1-second X startup

17:01 <dizzie> But fedora smells

17:01 <mwalling> how the heck...

17:01 <PovAddict> apparently the X server initialization code had dozens of *intentional delays* to cope with some exotic hardware

17:01 <mwalling> hell it take lilo almost a second to decompress my kernel and initrd

17:02 <PovAddict> mwalling: 1 second between typing 'startx' and having the X server ready to accept client connections; not from POST to having a desktop environment up and running!

17:02 <dizzie> Last time i used lilo was... uhm with RH3 hehe

17:02 <PovAddict> (1 second "boot" is only possible if it's suspended instead of shut down :D)

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17:03 <dizzie> Hello Rookie :)

17:03 <Didactylos> I keep finding more bugs.

17:03 <mwalling> PovAddict: ok. thats less of a wtfaretheysmoking

17:03 <Rookie_69> Hello, Dizzie.

17:04 <dizzie> My name has never been spelled with a capital D, but hello :)

17:04 <PovAddict>

17:04 <Romulus> <> (at

17:04 <CoderForLife> bbl - dinner

17:05 <dizzie> I wish i could install something better on my phone, something more clever than stupid symbian :)

17:05 * Rookie_69 is capital letter crazy.

17:05 <dizzie> No kidding :)

17:05 <PovAddict> dizzie: I have an iPod touch, once jailbroken it's awesome

17:06 <dizzie> Oh and mwalling my first "PC" was a 80088 with 128kb ram with a 160kb diskdrive (8" floppy)

17:07 <dizzie> I got a SE w880i :)

17:07 <mwalling> my first was a C64 (wasnt allowed to touch the 286 for several years) and then my dad found me a 8088 with a monochrome display and 5.25" drives (no harddrive) somewhere, and i used that for a long time

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17:09 <dizzie> I had Amigas for years before i "went PC", but yeah the 80088 was from somewhere long before the C64 and the likes

17:09 <dizzie> Hello benje :)

17:10 <PovAddict> dizzie: (unofficial) native gcc compiler! :)

17:10 <Romulus> Title: IMG_0012.jpg (at

17:14 <dizzie> Cant view, stupid googlecrap wont load so i cant see it

17:15 <dizzie> dcc :)

17:15 <PovAddict>

17:15 <dizzie> I repeat: Cant view

17:16 <PovAddict> googlecrap?

17:16 <dizzie> Googleanalytics or whatever

17:17 <dizzie> Anyway, wget worked

17:17 <PovAddict> why would there be google analytics on a direct link to an image file? :)

17:17 <dizzie> Boinc on iPod ? =)

17:17 <dizzie> Ask :)

17:17 <PovAddict> yeah I never finished compiling it (took eternity and a day for each C++ file; the CPU not up to the task)

17:18 <dizzie> No wonder :)

17:18 <PovAddict> I should get a cross-compiler set up here

17:19 <dizzie> Friend of mine managed to get Quake2 starting on his motorola phone. Launched, couldnt load maps etc.. but fun to see Quake on a phone

17:21 <zombie67> POV:  LHC is finally updating their BOINC server

17:21 * PovAddict checks if it's April 1st

17:21 <dizzie> Ahahahaha

17:21 <dizzie> Sat Jul  5 23:21:52 CEST 2008

17:21 <PovAddict> doesn't seem to be

17:21 <dizzie> :p

17:21 * PovAddict searches for other possible meanings of "LHC" acronym

17:21 <dizzie> Nope

17:22 <dizzie> try :)

17:22 <PovAddict> you mean they're upgrading their server hardware? :)

17:22 <zombie67> News

17:22 <zombie67> 05.07.2008 10:50 BST

17:22 <zombie67> Hello

17:22 <zombie67> I'm finaly upgrading the boinc server software. So please bear with us if there are some interruptions to the service and some funny issues over the next few days.

17:22 <zombie67> Thanks,

17:23 <zombie67> Alex

17:23 <PovAddict> !

17:23 <zombie67> maybe they got a new boss?

17:23 <PovAddict> maybe Alex stopped being as busy as my dad and actually had time for it?

17:24 <zombie67> he said in the past that he was not allowed to upgrade the server

17:24 <dizzie> Allowed?

17:24 <zombie67> yeah

17:24 <dizzie> As if..

17:24 <PovAddict> maybe it's "not allowed" similar to how programmers in companies aren't allowed to clean up old code

17:25 <dizzie> Sounds like my old boss' attitude

17:25 <PovAddict> "stop wasting time with that and get working on something that actually makes money!"

17:25 <dizzie> His code "works" the rest of us "cant code"

17:25 <PovAddict> dizzie: what kind of code?

17:25 <PovAddict> "when I make my webpages on Frontpage I never have to 'debug' them"

17:26 <dizzie> Cobal and other highend lang. (IBM AS/400's etc) mostly used for banks here in DK

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17:37 <Caterpillar> hi

17:40 <Rookie_69> ... can I make bulldozer jokes?

17:40 <Rookie_69> If yes, then H, Caterpillar.

17:40 <Rookie_69> ?

17:40 <Rookie_69> Hi...

17:42 <Caterpillar> is it possible to install boinc in windows without admin privileges?

17:43 <Didactylos> Use, yes. Install, no.

17:44 <PovAddict> does single user mode on 5.x need admin?

17:44 <Didactylos> NO, but the installer demands it.

17:45 <PovAddict> hmm actually it'd need admin access to install the screensaver at least

17:45 <Didactylos> It's a bad installer. Typical InstallShield junk.

17:45 * PovAddict just had a strange deja vu

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17:48 * Rookie_69 wonders if WDSMIA is really there (here).

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17:49 <wdsmia> nope just his ghost

17:49 <wdsmia> Boo

17:50 <Rookie_69> Eek!

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17:54 <benje> -hi dizzie

17:56 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 83.9F / 28.8C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 60s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. A 30 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy early (1 more message)

17:56 <wdsmia> &more

17:56 <Romulus> wdsmia: in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low around 70. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:56 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:56 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 68.5°F / 20.3°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h | Updated: 6:56 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Increasing cloudiness this evening with 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Fog developing near midnight. Low 15C(59F).; Sunday - Cloudy with sunny periods. 40 percent chance of showers early (1 more message)

17:57 <Rookie_69> &more

17:57 <Romulus> Rookie_69: in the morning. Clearing in the morning. Fog retreating to the coast in the morning. High 27C(81F) except 22C(72F) along the coast. UV index 8 or very high. Sunday night increasing cloudiness. Fog spreading inland late in the evening and overnight. Low 16C(61F).; Monday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 24C(75F).;

18:01 <dizzie> Thats new

18:01 <dizzie> James spelled Jaymz

18:01 <dizzie> C'mon :p

18:02 <Rookie_69> Spelling is not in the curriculum any more, I fear.

18:02 <dizzie> Its in mine :p

18:02 <dizzie> But then again, i work with it everyday :)

18:03 <Rookie_69> Creative spelling, or something like that...

18:03 <dizzie> Or silly Americans :p

18:03 <dizzie> Both ?

18:03 <Romulus> I guess Both are running at 2.7G, dizzie

18:03 <dizzie> Ahaha

18:04 * dizzie slaps Romulus

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18:08 <Rookie_69> It seems to me that here and now, they let you spell however you want to up until about grade six , and then bitch at those in grade seven because they can't spell correctly.

18:09 <dizzie> Yes but seriously.. Jaymz?

18:10 <Rookie_69> ... my second and third persons are getting tangled up.

18:10 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: that sounds so common

18:10 <PovAddict> and not just about spelling

18:10 * PovAddict is sure KathrynM will have something to say about the topic

18:12 <dizzie> Btw PovAddict i got my xdsl upgraded to 50mbit/2mbit :) Talk about fun with downloads :)

18:12 <PovAddict> :o

18:12 <Rookie_69> It's been almost 30 years since I finished school, so I may be a bit fuzzy.

18:12 <PovAddict> 3mbit/256kbit here

18:13 <dizzie> My slowest adsl was 384/128 :o

18:14 <PovAddict> my first adsl (upgraded to it from dialup) was 256/128

18:14 <PovAddict> almost a year later changed to cablemodem 512/128 for less money...

18:15 <dizzie> I went from 33k6 to 2mbit adsl :)

18:15 <PovAddict> recently my dad started w#$%ing from home more often so he upgraded it to 1024 (still 128 upload!)

18:16 <dizzie> My first modem was a 75/1200 (C64 hehe)

18:16 <PovAddict> 2mbit down was the lowest plan having 256kbit up, and 3mbit was only slightly more expensive, so we went from 1m/128k to 3m/256k

18:17 <dizzie> Funny with the isp i have and work is... 8mbit/512 and 20mbit/1mbit costs the same

18:17 <PovAddict> o.0

18:17 <dizzie> I pay nothing for my 50mbit :)

18:18 <Rookie_69> That's too much.

18:18 <dizzie> I think so too, they should actually pay me for using it :)

18:18 <zombie67> ibercivis drives me nuts

18:18 <dizzie> Huh?

18:18 <zombie67> I cannot log into my account on their site

18:19 <zombie67> but I can find my account , attach computers, and change my resource share and team via BAM

18:20 <zombie67> and of course, no way to contact them to get help...also no forum

18:22 <zombie67> the orbit tasks on my mac will take 350 hours

18:23 <PovAddict> only?

18:23 <zombie67> heh

18:24 <Rookie_69> My last Orbit WU only took about 204 hours.

18:24 <zombie67> on my old HT XEON machine, one has run 215 hours, and is only 40% complete

18:25 <zombie67> bbl

18:25 <Rookie_69> Give it a couple more minutes.

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18:45 * Rookie_69 is distracted by some old George Lucas movie on television.

18:46 <Rookie_69> ... Stair Wares or something...

18:46 <nickuwo> can someone connect to my project and tell me what files it downloads?

18:46 <nickuwo> my client prog only works on my comp for some reason :)

18:47 <nickuwo>

18:47 <nickuwo>

18:53 <Rookie_69> It says master file download succeeded, but folder is empty.

18:53 <nickuwo> hmm

18:53 <nickuwo> sorry, can you update?

18:54 <Rookie_69> Not sure...

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19:00 <Rookie_69> 7/5/2008 7:49:22 PM|ramsey|Message from server: Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance

19:01 <nickuwo> ok

19:02 <nickuwo> thx rookie

19:02 <Rookie_69> NP.

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19:42 * CoderForLife sniffs the air

19:42 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking popcorm

19:43 <CoderForLife> er popcorn, too

19:43 * Rookie_69 doesn't smell any.

19:45 <Rookie_69> "Doctor Pennfield, I smell burnt toast!"

19:48 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... He was a Canadian icon...

19:49 <Rookie_69> Not valid in USA.

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19:55 <jackygrahamez__> &wx 20011

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19:55 <jackygrahamez__> &wx

19:55 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

19:56 <jackygrahamez__> &more

19:56 <Romulus> jackygrahamez__: morning...then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 60s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

19:56 <jackygrahamez__> Hi KathrynM

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20:00 * CoderForLife returns with popcorn

20:01 * Tank_Master takes CoderForLife's popcore and carmel cotes it

20:01 <CoderForLife> a good option

20:02 <CoderForLife> hi Tank_Master

20:02 <Tank_Master> hey

20:02 <CoderForLife> hi jackygrahamez__

20:02 <jackygrahamez__> Hi CoderForLife

20:02 <Rookie_69> Camel coated popcore?

20:02 <Tank_Master> carmel

20:04 <Rookie_69> Not hardcore nor softcore, but popcore. Is that a new type of porn?

20:04 <Rookie_69> Lol

20:04 <CoderForLife> &dict caramel

20:04 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn and gcide responded: wn: caramel adj : having the color of caramel; a moderate yellow-brown [syn: {caramel brown}] n 1: firm chewy candy made from caramelized sugar and butter and milk 2: burnt sugar; used to color and flavor food [syn: {caramelized sugar}] 3: a medium to dark tan color [syn: {yellowish brown}, {raw sienna}, {buff}, {caramel brown}]; gcide: Caramel \Car"a*mel\, n. [F. (2 more messages)

20:04 <jackygrahamez__> That reminds me of several off color jokes

20:04 <Tank_Master> hiya jackygrahamez__

20:05 <jackygrahamez__> Merry Independence day Tank_Master :-)

20:05 <xcamel> re-hi

20:05 <CoderForLife> wb

20:06 <Rookie_69> Hi, Carmel... Uh... Camel.

20:06 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

20:08 * CoderForLife folds the popcorm bag closed, and washes it down with a tall cold one

20:08 <Tank_Master> was she blond?

20:09 * CoderForLife turns quickly to see

20:09 <CoderForLife> ya know, I didn't think to look

20:09 <Tank_Master> o.O? you must be married

20:10 <CoderForLife> 29 years

20:10 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:10 <Tank_Master> nice

20:10 <CoderForLife> yup

20:10 <PovAddict> that her age? :)

20:10 <Tank_Master> ill brb

20:10 <Tank_Master> lo

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20:21 <Didactylos> Blame: for code so bad you just have to know who's guilty....

20:22 <CoderForLife> at least it wasn't Code

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20:34 <xcamel> lol - Corwallis..

20:35 <xcamel> 13 miles east - Mr C's last stand, as it were...

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20:45 <CoderForLife> easy come...

20:47 <xcamel> easy go..

20:51 <CoderForLife> Patriots remain

21:00 <xcamel> laterz..

21:00 <CoderForLife> me 2

21:00 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders

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21:10 <jackygrahamez__> there can only be one boinclander

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21:12 <KathrynM_> Popping in to say howdy

21:12 <Didactylos> Hi, KathrynM_

21:12 <KathrynM_> hey Didactylos

21:13 <KathrynM_> How's the coding going?

21:13 <Didactylos> Funny you should ask.

21:13 <KathrynM_> lol

21:13 <KathrynM_> why?

21:14 <Didactylos> I have nothing. Zip. All I did today was fix a couple of minor things.

21:14 <jackygrahamez__> Hi KathrynM_

21:14 <KathrynM_> jackygrahamez__: !!!!

21:14 <KathrynM_> hi!

21:15 <jackygrahamez__> you hurt my ears

21:15 * Soul_keeper likes KathrynM too ... :)

21:15 <KathrynM_> awwwwwww

21:15 <KathrynM_> Soul_keeper is pretty cool

21:15 <KathrynM_> I feel so loved here.

21:15 <Soul_keeper> keep up the good work

21:15 <KathrynM_> :)

21:16 <KathrynM_> I'm at a friends.  It took her laptop like 5 minutes to get to a state where I could start IE.

21:16 <jackygrahamez__> jackygrahamez__ wishes he knew how to emote

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21:16 <KathrynM_> efc: moo

21:16 <PovAddict> KathrynM: you missed the tiny discussion about education? :P

21:16 <efc> Moo

21:16 <PovAddict> [19:08] <Rookie_69> It seems to me that here and now, they let you spell however you want to up until about grade six , and then bitch at those in grade seven because they can't spell correctly.

21:16 <jackygrahamez__> efc: cries

21:17 <efc> &math convert 3.87 miles to kilometers

21:17 <Romulus> efc: 6.22816128

21:17 <KathrynM_> I've been off line for a while

21:17 <KathrynM_> I'm at a friends.

21:17 <PovAddict> [19:10] <PovAddict> that sounds so common, and not just about spelling

21:17 <KathrynM_> lol

21:17 <jackygrahamez__> efc: moo

21:17 <KathrynM_> some of us just will never learn how to spel.l

21:18 <KathrynM_> or type apparently.

21:18 <jackygrahamez__> efc: meow

21:18 <KathrynM_> Goodness this keyboard is freaking tiny

21:18 <KathrynM_> jackygrahamez__: oink

21:18 <PovAddict> laptop?

21:18 <KathrynM_> it's a barnyard

21:18 <KathrynM_> yeah

21:18 <efc> 3.87 mi/6.23 km, 34:27, not dead

21:18 <KathrynM_> some little samsung thing

21:18 <KathrynM_> slower than hell

21:19 <KathrynM_> it has a vista compatable sticker on it

21:19 <PovAddict> "slower than hell" isn't specific enough; give BOINC benchmarks :)

21:19 <KathrynM_> ummm  if xp is this slow

21:19 <PovAddict> (j/k)

21:19 <KathrynM_> :D

21:19 <Didactylos> I spell fine (usually) - but I've noticed a tendency recently to type completely the wrong word.

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21:19 <KathrynM_> My brain is so mush after dealing with Koreans

21:19 <Didactylos> Sometimes up to three or four such problems in a single sentence!

21:20 <nickuwo> hmm people's clients are not downloading my dll's.... this is not good

21:20 <PovAddict> it's a scary thing when I make actual *typos*... when using pencil&paper

21:20 <KathrynM_> that's why they invented erasers

21:20 <Didactylos> I stare at it and think - that doesn't look right....

21:20 <KathrynM_> we've been writing report cards.  asking each ohter, 'how do you spell ____'

21:20 <KathrynM_> cause we've all forgotten basic english

21:22 * KathrynM_ shivers

21:22 <KathrynM_> I"m gonna climb back under the covers.  it's cold in this apartment.  i swear this woman keeps her apartment colder than I keep mine.  And I didn't realize that was possible.

21:23 <KathrynM_> Eventually I'll make it back home today...  10 minute walk, 30 minute busride, 10 minute cabride.  SHould be fun.  Not.

21:23 <KathrynM_> laterx

21:23 <KathrynM_> laters even

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21:30 <nickuwo> seriously wtf... my upload and download dirs just diappeared

21:31 <PovAddict> u r b-ing h4xx0r3d?

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21:31 <nickuwo> seems like a waste of time...

21:35 <nickuwo> perhaps my assimilator is deleting upload dirs?

21:35 <nickuwo> hmm

21:36 <nickuwo> or my file_deleter... he sounds like the culprit

21:37 <jackygrahamez__> nickuwo what is the minimum version required in the config.xml

21:37 <PovAddict> file_deleter never deletes directories

21:37 <PovAddict> just files (both input and output), once the workunit is done; and never application files

21:39 <nickuwo> jacky - I didn't set one - ppl are connecting with v6 tho... is that the linux client or something?

21:39 <PovAddict> are you looking at apache useragent log?

21:39 <PovAddict> the platform is next to the version

21:40 <nickuwo> no, <core client version>

21:40 <PovAddict> ah

21:40 <nickuwo> 6.2.6

21:41 <PovAddict> latest is 6.2.11 I think

21:41 <PovAddict> being considered for official release (I don't think it's ready)

21:41 <jackygrahamez__> R people successfully downloading files other than the DLLs?

21:41 <Soul_keeper> 6.3.4 is the testing version on svn

21:41 <nickuwo> hmm, is the latest stable 5.10.45?

21:41 <PovAddict> yes it is

21:42 <nickuwo> jacky - yes, the wrapper is running and it's only complaining about not finding gmpX.dll, not the program itself or the job.xml

21:42 <PovAddict> is gmpX.dll in the correct apps directory?

21:42 <PovAddict> or more like

21:42 <PovAddict> was gmpX.dll in the correct app directory when you ran update_versions?

21:42 <Soul_keeper> i personally can't get 5.10.45  or 6.3.4  to compile, but 6.3.3 compiles and runs fine (just the remote admin is broken)

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21:44 <nickuwo> pov - it was in the same dir as the files that download correctly... I think the oddest thing about this is that it is working for me.

21:46 <Didactylos> Anti-histamines make Didactylos sleepy.

21:46 <jackygrahamez__> what http errors are we getting?

21:46 <nickuwo> not sure this has anything to do with it, but I found it kind of odd - I had to add aliases in ramsey.http.conf for my upload and download dirs, otherwise apache was sending the clients to projects/ramsey/html/user for downloads and uploads. I never had to do that b4

21:47 <jackygrahamez__> I actually put aliases under user to the download directory

21:48 <nickuwo> jacky - I'm getting a Error on file upload: can't open file  "transient upload error"  -- but this might be unrelated to the other ppl's gmpX.dll error

21:49 <PovAddict> nickuwo: PM

21:49 <jackygrahamez__> actually I mean I create links under html/user to the download

21:54 <nickuwo> i c

22:04 * Rookie_69 wakes up and goes to bed.

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23:38 <efc> the PoT analysis is confusing to me.. to figure out how much work its really going to do

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