IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-07-10

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01:07 <efc> moo

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01:12 <efc> Found a Dan Werthimer paper, talking about fpga looking for pulsars

01:36 <Soul_keeper> cool

01:42 <efc> http://rssi.ncsa.uiuc.edu/proceedings/posters/rssi07_08_poster.pdf

01:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6n9npc> (at rssi.ncsa.uiuc.edu)

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03:07 <dizzie> Morning all :)

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03:10 <efc> moo

03:10 <dizzie> Hi efc :)

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03:15 <dizzie> Arent we all :)

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04:16 <efc> hmm, my car insurance never sent me new cards. I knew I was missing something.

04:21 <CoderForLife> that's bad

04:26 * CoderForLife puts away his scissors after cutting out his new insurance cards

04:29 <efc> I sent em the money..

04:29 <CoderForLife> maybe you can download them?

04:30 <efc> doubt it

04:30 <CoderForLife> I currently have esurance - everything is online

04:30 <efc> I like this page in the phone book from homeland security

04:30 <efc> Step 4: Remain Calm

04:31 <efc> after a page full of doomsday warnings

04:31 <CoderForLife> lol

04:32 <efc> You need to create an airtight barrier around your body.. etv

04:34 <CoderForLife> I need some breakfast - brb

04:34 <efc> Oh, they did send it. In the middle of a stack of other paperwork.

04:42 <CoderForLife> good

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05:36 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.0F / 15.6C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.69in / 1005.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming light south winds after midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 90. (1 more message)

05:36 <CoderForLife> &more

05:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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07:07 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:11 <paddyez> hi

07:11 <paddyez> why is seti@home permanetly down for maintanace?

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07:14 <hawmps> no

07:14 <hawmps> weekly backups..

07:34 <clusty> hawmps, what do you use for backups?

07:34 <clusty> i mean proggie

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07:51 <hawmps> I have no idea what they use..

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09:57 <zombie67> &weather

09:57 <Romulus> zombie67: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.

09:57 <zombie67> ugh

09:57 <zombie67> &weather 94568

09:57 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 65.1F / 18.4C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.45in / 997.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny and hot. Areas of smoke. Highs upper 80s to 105. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Areas of smoke in the evening. Lows in the 50s to upper 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph...becoming 5 to 10 mph after (1 more message)

09:57 <zombie67> &more

09:57 <Romulus> zombie67: midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s to upper 90s. Southwest winds around 5 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Excessive Heat Warning, Heat Advisory for Alameda County in effect until 8:00 PM PDT on July 11, 2008;

09:58 <zombie67> 65 to 105, then back down to 60s...

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10:52 <PovAddict> sheesh! I just had BOINC suspend a workunit a second or two before completion

10:57 <Tank_Master> lol

10:57 <Tank_Master> BOINC knows whats best, eh?

10:58 <PovAddict> I had just attached PrimeGrid, the PG workunits were waiting for the application to download

10:59 <PovAddict> the application finished downloading just a second before the running WCG workunit finished processing

10:59 <PovAddict> BOINC immediately started the PG workunits as soon as it could

11:01 <dizzie> Mothers love, my mum just called me a Son of a b...

11:01 <dizzie> :p

11:01 <desti> :-(

11:04 <PovAddict> did she realize she insulted herself? :)

11:05 <dizzie> Think not :)

11:06 <dizzie> Btw PovAddict dns looks fixed, no more huge waitingtime :)

11:07 <dizzie> PovAddict: here is something for you :) http://fredslev.dk/b1b2.jpg

11:08 <dizzie> :p

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11:17 <PovAddict> wtf

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12:36 <PovAddict> "I humbly submit the proposal that rather than continue debating tedious hypotheticals, somebody just spend the 10 minutes with PHP to code a simple solution, and Dave can check it in."

12:36 <PovAddict> sheesh... that's how all BOINC features are made anyway

12:39 <zombie67> yeah.  the coding part seems to be the easy part

12:40 <zombie67> it's the decision making "process" that's impenetrable.

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12:49 <PovAddict_> but they can't just code without deciding first; for a reason I've been weeks working on a GUI RPC library (to control BOINC) and so far there isn't much implementation: I was planning on the best interface

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15:11 <KathrynM> dear lord, there's been what, 100 emails to the list about the team transfer thing?

15:11 <zombie67> yeah

15:12 <KathrynM> seems like one of those discussions I'll stay out of.

15:12 <KathrynM> because just reading it, I'm rolling my eyes

15:28 <Didactylos> KathrynM: yes, there are a *lot* of posts from John nnnnn....

15:30 <Didactylos> And I just know at the end of it DA will make an arbitrary decision and that will be that.

15:31 <Didactylos> And it will be the option that requires least work. So, probably just one of the suggested measures will be implemented.

15:45 <Didactylos> Dear lord, it just keeps going.

15:47 <Didactylos> Shoot me now.

15:48 <wdsmia_w> Bang!

16:42 <xcamel> afternoon...

16:42 <xcamel> finally... 3 fields cut..

16:44 <wdsmia_w> the one in camera 2 looks good

16:47 <xcamel> that's the lawn...

16:48 <xcamel> finally getting to the point I can cut hay..

16:54 <wdsmia_w> finally getting to the point where I can go home... cya

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17:43 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:43 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 90.0F / 32.2C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Low in the lower 70s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.; Friday - Partly sunny. Hot and humid. High in the lower 90s. South wind 10 to (1 more message)

17:44 <wdsmia> &more

17:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 102 in the afternoon.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then mostly cloudy with thunderstorms likely after midnight. Low in the upper 60s. South wind 10 to 20 mph shifting to the west 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of thunderstorms 70 percent.;

17:46 * Soul_keeper can't even get motivated to cash a few checks

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18:13 <zombie67> &weather 94568

18:13 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 99F / 37C | Humidity: 16% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1006hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Smoke | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h ; Tonight - Clear in the evening then becoming mostly clear. Lows in the mid 60s to lower 70s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid to upper 90s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

18:13 <zombie67> &more

18:13 <Romulus> zombie67: Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming southwest 5 to 15 mph after midnight.; Heat Advisory for Alameda County in effect until 8:00 PM PDT on July 11, 2008;

18:14 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: now *that* is lack of motivation

18:14 <zombie67> less than 100?  Downright frigid!

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18:16 <Soul_keeper> heh

18:54 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news July 10, 2008

19:01 <Soul_keeper> ok

19:16 <KathrynM> ugh, why is it so hard for people to strip out stuff that they aren't quoting in emails

19:17 <Soul_keeper> they are lazy/stupid

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19:34 <quail> does anyone know what is going on with seti?

19:34 <KathrynM> I think they messed up their databases

19:34 <PovAddict> back from fedora live CD

19:35 <KathrynM> how did it go?

19:35 <efc> DELETE * FROM RESULTS   oops

19:35 <PovAddict> about the kew KDE4 features:

19:35 <KathrynM> lol

19:35 <quail> all I have been getting last couple days is this 'Project down for maintenence Please check back in a few hours.'

19:35 <PovAddict> ...that's all?

19:35 <KathrynM> bugger, I ran out of kleenex

19:35 <PovAddict> almost everything I tried looked the same...with a different theme

19:36 <PovAddict> Konqueror had graphical glitches on the logo from the default home page

19:36 <KathrynM> F9?

19:36 <quail> my desktop nearly out of work

19:36 <PovAddict> and it's apparently impossible to get accelerated 3D on the live CD so I couldn't try any of the KDE4 composite window manager features

19:37 <KathrynM> I've only played with KDE4 a bit on my Kubuntu install (went for the KDE4 version)

19:37 <PovAddict> I should try that

19:38 <CoderForLife> hello

19:38 <KathrynM> hiya

19:38 <KathrynM> I swear, when I'm home for Christmas, I'm going to by me a red fedora :)

19:38 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

19:39 <quail> howdy CoderForLife KathrynM PovAddict efc

19:39 * KathrynM goes to get some breakfast

19:39 <CoderForLife> hi quail

19:39 <quail> CoderForLife: hows life been treating you?

19:39 <efc> moo Q

19:40 <CoderForLife> OK - gutter cleaning guy came and did his thing today, and we just installed a 1TB Buffalo LinStation

19:40 <CoderForLife> er LinkStation

19:40 <CoderForLife> NAS

19:42 <CoderForLife> now I can copy a bunch of stuff off and defrag my hard drive

19:44 <quail> kewl, I had to backup a friends hdd this week as it not wanted to boot up on his system

19:46 <CoderForLife> I am going to set up some cron tasks to periodically back up things like the web sites, databases, etc

19:46 <CoderForLife> svn...

19:47 <CoderForLife> wow "My Music" is 6.7GB

19:47 <quail> you could use rsync too

19:48 <PovAddict> should

19:48 <quail> PovAddict: hehe

19:49 <CoderForLife> "Would you, could you in a box? Would you, could you with a fox?"

19:49 <KathrynM> I do not like green eggs and ham.  I do not like them Sam I Am.

19:50 * KathrynM loved that story as a child

19:50 * quail wonders why Debian just upgraded me to 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)' instead of stable ver 3

19:51 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:52 <Soul_keeper> feels like windows huh ?

19:52 <Soul_keeper> forced upgrades haha

19:52 <PovAddict> who said "forced"?

19:53 <Soul_keeper> my mistake, "coerced"

19:54 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 150 C to F

19:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 302.0

19:54 <Soul_keeper> &math convert -150 C to F

19:54 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: -238

20:01 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

20:01 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Mist | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Overcast. Low:73 F. / 23 C.; Overcast. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Overcast. Low:69 F. / 21 C.; Chance of Rain. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:71 F. / 22 C.;

20:01 <KathrynM> how long until winter?

20:01 <Soul_keeper> too long

20:03 <quail> &wx ypad

20:03 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 53°F / 12°C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Overcast. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

20:10 <KathrynM> I moving there quail

20:10 <KathrynM> then I'll move back here when it gets too hot down under

20:10 <quail> where

20:10 <quail> hehe

20:10 <KathrynM> :D

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20:39 <xcamel> re-hi

20:39 <CoderForLife> hi

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20:41 <xcamel> mowed another half of a field - broke the mower, amazingly had the right parts and fixed the damned thing.

20:41 <xcamel> just to start again tomorrow..

20:41 <CoderForLife> sometimes it just works out, but not often

20:41 <xcamel> indeed

20:43 <xcamel> that old 589 is getting pretty tired overall

20:44 <xcamel> if I had the HP, I'd switch to a discbine

20:48 <Soul_keeper> http://lwn.net/Articles/289060/

20:48 <Romulus> Title: Reiser leads police to wife's body (MercuryNews) [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)

20:49 <xcamel> read that..

20:50 <CoderForLife> sad

20:52 <Soul_keeper> that guy makes everyone look bad

20:57 <zombie67> idiots.....  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html

20:57 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5akyfv> (at www.foxnews.com)

20:57 <Soul_keeper> i was arguing with a group of people the other week about how he should get the death penalty, they swore he was the greatest coder ever and kept trying to sympathize with him,  he's just another wife killer that happened to write a few lines of code

20:58 <xcamel> he's just another wife killer... period.

20:59 <Soul_keeper> he deserves the chair, and his code is worthless as far as i'm concerned

21:00 <Soul_keeper> situations like this are the perfect opportunity for the US to not let china have such a large lead in capital punishment

21:00 <Soul_keeper> gotta "take care of our own" if you know what i mean

21:04 <Didactylos> The US execute children. I can't get my head around that.

21:04 <CoderForLife> huh?

21:05 <Didactylos> The US.

21:05 <CoderForLife> huh?

21:07 <Didactylos> Looks like they stopped in 2005.

21:07 <CoderForLife> got a link?

21:09 <Didactylos> http://www.fadp.org/news/Execution%20of%20Children.htm

21:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/268cog> (at www.fadp.org)

21:10 <Didactylos> Incredibly, the decision wasn't unanimous.

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21:12 <Didactylos> A 5-4 decision. Sorry, guys - the rest of the free world thinks you are living in another century.

21:13 <CoderForLife> the 21st

21:13 <CoderForLife> iirc

21:13 <Didactylos> That's what the calendar says.

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21:13 <CoderForLife> thought so

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21:14 <Didactylos> Bad enough that you have the death penalty at all.

21:14 <CoderForLife> your opinion

21:14 <Didactylos> You have no idea how hypocritical it makes the US look (and ineffective) when they criticise other nations for human rights abuses.

21:15 <CoderForLife> thanks

21:15 <PovAddict> http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp

21:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6n5bx5> (at thelede.blogs.nytimes.com)

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21:17 <CoderForLife> damn Miranduh bug

21:17 <PovAddict> tab-bug hits again?

21:17 <PovAddict> lol I knew it

21:17 <CoderForLife> yup

21:17 <CoderForLife> ranks right up there with criticism from allies

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21:19 <xcamel> I frankly don't care what the rest of the 'turd world' thinks...

21:19 <CoderForLife> ty

21:20 <Didactylos> What's the "turd world"?

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21:20 <PovAddict> anywhere but the US of course :)

21:20 <CoderForLife> careful PovAddict

21:20 <xcamel> might be "great britonstan"

21:20 <Didactylos> Ah, that fallacious "#1" idea. Almost sweet, really.

21:21 <Didactylos> Britain's Imperial days are long over. Time the US realised the same, I say.

21:22 <xcamel> If the US wasn't "#1" GB would most likely be a poor vacation spot for the 3td Reich

21:23 <xcamel> England's days are pretty much over, imperial or not.

21:23 <xcamel> that's the sad part.

21:23 <Didactylos> Don't start that. The US got to #1 by bankrolling a couple of world wars. Didn't last long, though.

21:24 <Didactylos> Literacy? Not #1. Health? Not #1. I could go on.

21:24 <CoderForLife> well, I'm tired of this thread

21:24 <xcamel> indeed - denial seems to be the new name for the Thames.

21:24 <Didactylos> But never mind all that. You can think you're #1 if you want.

21:25 <CoderForLife> I'll turn in for the evening

21:25 <efc> we're the fattest, move over skinny

21:25 <xcamel> nn then...

21:25 <Didactylos> It's thinking child executions is okay that makes my head explode.

21:25 <CoderForLife> too bad the other UK boinc folk aren't here

21:25 <CoderForLife> cya folks

21:25 <PovAddict> efc: skinny me?

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21:26 <xcamel> and skinny me

21:26 <Didactylos> Sorry, efc - the US is #9.

21:26 <Soul_keeper> last i checked the US is still #1 in medical technology/breakthru's

21:26 <CoderForLife> don't try to kiss and make up now

21:26 <PovAddict> efc: I weigh a whole 53kg, who are you calling skinny? oh wait

21:26 <Soul_keeper> apparently socialism destroys innovation .. :)

21:26 <Didactylos> http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html

21:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2uxxlj> (at www.forbes.com)

21:27 <Didactylos> Soul_keeper: per capita? Break it down per person, and a lot of the #1 claims vanish.

21:28 <xcamel> socialism and rampant liberalism seems to be destroying a once great and honorable country

21:29 <xcamel> Chirchill would be so proud...

21:29 <xcamel> er Churchill even

21:29 <Soul_keeper> i don't care what the unmotivated underachievers get

21:30 <Soul_keeper> i'll sweat and bleed then buy the #1 things

21:30 <Didactylos> Why wouldn't he be proud?

21:30 <Didactylos> No matter what you may think, "liberal" isn't a dirty word.

21:30 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:30 <xcamel> How hard he worked to save a country that is now bent on killing itself.

21:30 <Didactylos> Doing just fine, thank you.

21:31 <Didactylos> How's the US economy doing?

21:31 <PovAddict> which country is killing itself? the one with all the guns?

21:32 <Didactylos> Well, technically, it's the US with the death penalty. You're literally killing yourselves.

21:32 <xcamel> POV - you should read up on Switzerland during WWII, and why it was never invaded.

21:32 <Soul_keeper> apparently switzerland is the most spammed country these days ...

21:32 <xcamel> 15 out of 300 million, I don't think so.

21:32 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: spam target or source?

21:33 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/virus-spam-trojan,news-1912.html

21:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5fzp9a> (at www.tomsguide.com)

21:33 <Didactylos> Not to mention fighting pointless wars.

21:34 <PovAddict> pointless? tell that to the guys manufacturing the weapons

21:34 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:34 <Didactylos> Indeed.

21:35 <Didactylos> Reminds me of a song by Three Trolls in a Baggie

21:35 <Soul_keeper> or the guys painting the facilities for those manufacturering the weapons (me)

21:35 <efc> Ain't Trickle Down Economics great

21:35 <xcamel> pointless? How many rockets did 'ahmanutjob' launch yesterday?

21:36 <Didactylos> They wouldn't have to if the US wasn't getting up in their face.

21:37 <Soul_keeper> he announced the other week he was digging like 320k graves along his borders to "bury any invaders"   and they were pushing a new law thru on sunday to execute bloggers that said anything "anti-islam"

21:37 <efc> much better to let them kill each other I'd think..

21:37 <efc> Send over some Yo Mama jokes signed by the opposing P.M.

21:38 <xcamel> I detect the dhimmi attitude... you paying tribute yet?

21:39 <Didactylos> Well, even if the US wants another war - tough. Can't afford one.

21:39 <xcamel> But Iran is such a nice place - honor killings, mass stonings, beheading pregnant women, and so on...

21:39 <Soul_keeper> you'd be surprised what we can afford

21:40 <Didactylos> Not nice at all. But bombing them won't help much, will it?

21:40 <efc> by the way, the US doesn't do anything unanimously, there's about a 55/45 split on every issue

21:40 <xcamel> oh.. and killing many, many children, for no good reason at all...

21:40 <Didactylos> And the US, fresh from their 2005 decision, are the right people to tell OTHER countries what to do?

21:41 <Didactylos> People like Scalia (who would no doubt love to bomb Iran) is also in favour of executing children.

21:41 <Didactylos> Sorry, I can't stomach that double standard.

21:42 <Didactylos> If you want to be the good guys, you need to live up to a higher standard.

21:42 <Soul_keeper> your standard ?

21:42 <Didactylos> An International standard.

21:43 <xcamel> If you think a 17 year old murdering psychopath is a "child", I have some news for you...

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21:43 <Soul_keeper> yeah i'm all for executing teenagers that kill people

21:43 <Didactylos> Oh, so *you* think executing children is okay?

21:43 <Didactylos> Then I can stop being politic, and refering to the US in general terms.

21:43 <Soul_keeper> better than locking them in prison for 60yrs

21:43 <xcamel> some part of my last comment you didn't understand?

21:43 <Didactylos> I think *you* are a hypocrite.

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21:45 <Soul_keeper> don't bother me none

21:45 <xcamel> doesn't bother me either.

21:45 <Didactylos> If you think it's your own business how you handle such matters, then you should extend the same coutesy to other nations.

21:45 <PovAddict> I agree with xcamel, why should "child" be defined by "older than 18"? why 18? a 17-year-old that killed someone may well not be considered a child

21:45 <PovAddict> but it's still WRONG to execute him

21:45 <Didactylos> Well, so do I.

21:46 <Didactylos> I'm anti-death penalty at any age. But executing children is something so shocking that most developed countries wouldn't even consider it.

21:46 <xcamel> no.. it was wrong for him (or it) to commit murder in cold blood, in the most brutal and vicious way he (it) could think of.

21:46 <Didactylos> 18 is just a legal line in the sand.

21:46 <Didactylos> xcamel: well, duh.

21:46 <efc> Btw, our supreme court recently ruled that execution is not allowed for anything but murder (so we reward the murderers too incompetant to get the job done)

21:47 <Soul_keeper> haha

21:48 <Didactylos> Not so very long ago, the US allowed executions of retarded people, too.

21:48 <Didactylos> Is that acceptable?

21:48 <Soul_keeper> executions are a much better use of tax payer dollars than "adopting" a 30 to life dependant

21:48 <efc> I assume since we quit, it isn't

21:48 <xcamel> seems someone has taken control of the language, a "child" is any person who has not reached puberty. ergo, we do not now, or ever have, execute "children"

21:49 <Soul_keeper> yeah think we stopped that back during the salem witch trials ...

21:49 <Didactylos> Wow, anything to help you rationalise it....

21:50 <xcamel> the leftys have been known to use the word "children" on those between ages 21 and 25 to make their deluded points.

21:51 <Soul_keeper> they even use that word to promote their pro-life agenda's

21:51 <Didactylos> No, we're talking about under 18 here. Those legally defined as "not adult".

21:51 <PovAddict> heh, now you talk about making a deluded point?

21:51 <Didactylos> Hmm?

21:52 <Didactylos> Legal age limits are weird. But they're all we have.

21:52 <PovAddict> that was replying xcamel

21:52 <xcamel> sorry... no changing the definitions you started off with  - look up the word "child" and "children" in your favorite oxford dictionary...

21:52 <Didactylos> Personally, I think it's insane that any country will allow thier kids to die for their country before they let them vote or drink.

21:53 <xcamel> like Sudan, maybe?

21:53 <Soul_keeper> "let them die"  is not the right way to describe it imo ...

21:53 <Didactylos> "A young human being who is not yet an adult"

21:53 <PovAddict> "kill them" is a better way to descrive it

21:53 <Didactylos> xcamel: fail!

21:53 <PovAddict> -be*

21:53 <Soul_keeper> they get jobs, an education, and a chance to make the world a better place when serving in the military

21:53 <Didactylos> That's from the OED that I had lying by my desk.

21:54 <xcamel> define adult then...

21:55 <xcamel> moving the goalposts doesn't help your case...

21:55 <Didactylos> "A fully grown human being who is legally responsible for their actions"

21:55 <xcamel> &dict adult

21:55 <Romulus> xcamel: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: moby-thes: 19 Moby Thesaurus words for "adult": aged, big, full-blown, full-fledged, full-grown, grown, grown up, grown-up, marriable, marriageable, mature, matured, maturescent, nubile, of age, of marriageable age, old, ripe, ripened; wn: adult adj : (of animals) fully developed; "an adult animal"; "a grown woman" [syn: {big}, {full-grown}, (3 more messages)

21:55 * efc doesn't see this going anywhere really

21:55 <PovAddict> xcamel: moving the goalposts? again, look who's talking...  <xcamel> seems someone has taken control of the language, a "child" is any person who has not reached puberty. ergo, we do not now, or ever have, execute "children"

21:56 <Didactylos> xcamel just wants to feel better about executing teenagers.

21:57 <xcamel> murdering psychopaths? I have no bad feeling about that at all. This is what you don't understand.

21:57 <Didactylos> If it needs rationalising, I believe it needs reconsideration. Perhaps your postulates are wrong?

21:58 <xcamel> laterz... seems the koolaid is mighty strong on that side of the pond...

21:58 <Soul_keeper> indeed

21:59 <xcamel> There is no rationalising, it is what needs to be done in those cases.

21:59 <xcamel> nytol..

21:59 <efc> I'm still looking for help fitting the fast folding algorithm on FPGA, in case anyone is interested in science :P

21:59 <Didactylos> If killing is so bad, how can it be a solution?

22:00 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos, ask god, he'll know

22:00 <PovAddict> Didactylos: why don't you go argue with David Anderson about tooltips vs balloons

22:00 <PovAddict> it will be way more productive and easier than arguing politics with xcamel

22:00 <Didactylos> Ouch.

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22:01 <PovAddict> (although arguing politics with *anyone* could be considered little productive...)

22:01 <efc> Its hopeless

22:01 <Didactylos> Oh, it can be productive.

22:02 <Didactylos> But when I started out by insulting his country, I really wasn't going to get anywhere.

22:02 <Didactylos> I would make a terrible diplomat.

22:02 <efc> You're hired

22:03 <PovAddict> haha

22:04 <Didactylos> PovAddict: got the file?

22:04 <PovAddict> oh missed the message

22:04 <PovAddict> downloading

22:22 <Soul_keeper> bla

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