IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-07-15

00:00 <Soul_keeper> appears the nvidia site only has rpm's and debs ...  no self extracting binary or source

00:01 <zombie67> zombie, he meant me

00:01 <PovAddict> ahh two zombies

00:02 <PovAddict> /o\

00:02 <zombie67> http://www.ps3grid.net/forum_thread.php?id=226&nowrap=true#1210

00:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5quovu> (at www.ps3grid.net)

00:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's the one i just posted

00:02 <zombie67> PS3GRID has, up until now, been only for Linux, running on a PS3

00:02 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: 6800 isn't supported.

00:02 <Soul_keeper> good

00:02 <MTughan> 8400 and later are.

00:02 <Soul_keeper> i didn't want to have to use alien on the rpm's

00:03 <zombie67> Now they have an app for NVIDIA GPU running on 64 bit Linux on a PC

00:03 <MTughan> With CUDA.

00:03 <Soul_keeper> who here meets the criteria ?

00:03 <PovAddict> I have 64-bit Kubuntu

00:04 <MTughan> And you wouldn't've had to do RPM stuff anyway. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_169.09.html

00:04 <PovAddict> and a GeForce 8600

00:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2knzyj> (at www.nvidia.com)

00:04 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes, you meet the criteria.

00:04 <PovAddict> but my GPU is busy giving me transparent console windows and open/close animations

00:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html   only distro packages available ...

00:04 <Romulus> Title: Download CUDA Code - complete and free toolkit for creating derivative works (at www.nvidia.com)

00:05 <MTughan> Select Linux 64-bit, then click Search.

00:05 <zombie67> this would be a good test for how a GPU task interacts with a CPU task from another project....

00:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah i don't want a package

00:05 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: It isn't. It's a shell script.

00:05 <PovAddict> self-extracting thin

00:05 <PovAddict> g

00:06 <Soul_keeper> so it don't matter what distro you select ?

00:06 <PovAddict> see MTughan's link

00:06 <MTughan> I went with whatever it came up with, which was RHEL 3.x.

00:06 <Soul_keeper> cool

00:07 <Soul_keeper> the latest nvidia i have is a 6800

00:07 <zombie67> back when I was crunching F@H, I ran one app on the GPU and one on the core

00:07 <Soul_keeper> so i'm out of luck anyways

00:08 <MTughan> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn_products.html

00:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2psf5g> (at www.nvidia.com)

00:08 <zombie67> what does the min GPU cost?

00:08 <MTughan> List of supported products.

00:08 <MTughan> zombie67: Presumably an 8400.

00:08 <zombie67> and what does it cost?

00:09 <MTughan> One sec...

00:09 <MTughan> I can get an EVGA 8400GS for $40 CDN.

00:09 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:09 <zombie67> no kidding?!

00:09 <Soul_keeper> i could easily trade my 6800 for a 8400 i bet

00:09 <zombie67> it runs on a $40 card?

00:10 <MTughan> Checking Newegg, see what they have...

00:10 <MTughan> Yeah, but don't expect stellar performance. :P

00:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm happy with my  AMD 3870  even if i can't run boinc stuff on it yet

00:10 <zombie67> this will add a complexity to their credits, i bet they haven't figured out yet.

00:11 <MTughan> $30 for a Biostar 8400GS on Newegg.

00:11 <Soul_keeper> ohhh yeah, one of the latest nvidia GPU's would smash a ps3  if i had to guess

00:11 <zombie67> before, all crunching machines were exactly equal

00:11 <MTughan> Or a Zogis 8400GS.

00:11 <zombie67> now they have to compare apples to oranges

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00:11 <zombie67> and the oranges come in many sizes

00:12 <MTughan> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201305520548%20106791921%201067929423&bop=And&Order=PRICE

00:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6y49dh> (at www.newegg.com)

00:12 <zombie67> thanks

00:12 <MTughan> All those cards can run CUDA according to Nvidia.

00:12 <zombie67> MT:  how's the client coming along?

00:12 <Soul_keeper> http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm   you'd likely want to pick up the one with the most mem BW  for the money

00:12 <MTughan> I just got my laptop back yesterday, so nothing new to report.

00:12 <Romulus> Title: 3D Chipset Specs (at users.erols.com)

00:13 <MTughan> Just finished registering for courses in September so that should give me most of the rest of the summer to work on it.

00:13 <zombie67> cool

00:14 <zombie67> POV:  will this be the first GPU application?

00:14 <Soul_keeper> 6.4GB/s   for the 8400GS  that's about the same as what a GF2 was putting out

00:14 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes as far as I know

00:14 <MTughan> lol...

00:14 <zombie67> funny it doesn't have more exposure on the lists

00:14 <MTughan> I said don't expect stellar performance.

00:14 <MTughan> What, the 8400GS runnability or the GPU working?

00:15 <zombie67> really?  the F@H app was wicked fast

00:15 <PovAddict> zombie67: wasn't it *just* released? it's clearly not ready for prime time :P

00:15 <zombie67> I know, clearly still in test phase, but you think someone on the lists would have questions.

00:16 <zombie67> the admins, for example

00:16 <PovAddict> given the CUDA-related code David Anderson has been putting into BOINC... he knows

00:16 <zombie67> then why is he telling no one?

00:17 <PovAddict> ask him?

00:17 <zombie67> there should be announcements

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00:17 <PovAddict> if it's not announced, it must be not ready yet

00:17 <Soul_keeper> tell him to put the brooke code in there too :)

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00:18 <zombie67> what't the most expensive card that will run it?

00:18 <zombie67> I'mm looking for the range

00:18 <MTughan> GTX280, by far.

00:18 <zombie67> cost?

00:18 <MTughan> Looking...

00:18 <MTughan> $704 for an XFX card.

00:19 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:19 <zombie67> okay, so what can I get for about $300?

00:19 <Soul_keeper> my 6800xt was an XFX card  cost me like 160 i believe

00:20 <MTughan> zombie67: Probably a 9800.

00:20 <zombie67> I want to see what BOINC will do, how it deals with GPU and CPU apps together

00:20 <MTughan> In BFG, I can get a 9800GTX for $286.

00:20 <Soul_keeper> he GeForce GTX 260 has dropped to a price of $299

00:20 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12360

00:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/64ca7b> (at www.dailytech.com)

00:20 <zombie67> brb

00:21 <MTughan> Yes, $310 for an Asus GTX260 on Newegg.

00:21 <MTughan> Here's your list: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201305520548%20106792634%201067940781&bop=And&Order=PRICE

00:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6zxomc> (at www.newegg.com)

00:22 <MTughan> $300 for XFX and Gigabyte.

00:24 <MTughan> 9800GX2 is still up in the low $400 range...

00:25 <MTughan> Yeah, your best bet would be in the GTX260 cards or in the 9800GTX cards.

00:25 <MTughan> 9800GTX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201305520548%20106792522%201067938081&bop=And&Order=PRICE

00:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5fsx3v> (at www.newegg.com)

00:25 <zombie67> When I ran the GPU F@H app, it was for only ATI, and I hat the top of the line at the time, a X1950XTX

00:26 <zombie67> Will the GTX250 or 9800GTX work in the same slot?  And about the same power draw?

00:26 <Soul_keeper> GeForce GTX 260

00:26 <MTughan> They're both PCI-Express cards. I would think the GTX260 has a higher power draw though.

00:26 <Soul_keeper> that's the 300 dollar range of their latest chip

00:27 <MTughan> Oh, and both dual-slot PCI-Express I should add.

00:27 <Soul_keeper> the price cut was just announced today, so it might not have trickled thru yet

00:27 <MTughan> Newegg has $300 cards.

00:27 <zombie67> wait, dual alot?

00:27 <zombie67> slot?

00:28 <MTughan> Yes, they use two extension slots in your case. One for ports, one for cooling.

00:28 <Soul_keeper> i don't know much about SLI,  i thought they had to be identical cards ...

00:28 <MTughan> So you'll lose the extension slot adjacent to the PCI-Express slot.

00:29 <zombie67> oh, but not two actual PCI-Express slots

00:29 <MTughan> No, none use that. Yet...

00:29 <zombie67> okay

00:29 <PovAddict> doesn't actually use the slot, just takes up the space so the slot is unusable :)

00:29 <zombie67> so I am here:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1305520548&Order=PRICE

00:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5ksvge> (at www.newegg.com)

00:30 <zombie67> what are the acceptible GPUs?

00:30 <PovAddict> y'all are performance freaks

00:30 <MTughan> Basically 8400 and higher.

00:30 <MTughan> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn_products.html

00:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2psf5g> (at www.nvidia.com)

00:30 <zombie67> they don't list them that way

00:30 <zombie67> series 8, 9, then FX and GXT

00:31 <PovAddict> I'd rather off-load as much graphical drawing to the GPU as possible (and I am, with a compositing window manager) so that there is more CPU for BOINC :)

00:31 <PovAddict> that method gives me eye-candy too

00:31 <zombie67> one thing I did notice with the GPU app at F@H, HUGE power consumption, compared to just plain CPU crunching

00:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: well duh, you're using CPU + GPU :)

00:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: compare idle CPU and 100% CPU power usage too

00:32 <MTughan> And GPU's use a lot of power...

00:32 <PovAddict> and compare power usage between using a word processor and playing a 3D-heavy video game

00:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah my P4 system uses 184 watts idle, 265 with the cpu under full load, and 322 with the cpu/vid card under load

00:33 <MTughan> Word processor ain't exactly a CPU intensive operation.

00:33 <zombie67> the point is that you may well end up spending more on power than you would with two CPUs

00:33 <PovAddict> MTughan: the point is it's not a GPU-intensive operation

00:33 <PovAddict> what I'd compare is power usage between F@H using the GPU for folding and compiz-fusion using the GPU for eye candy

00:33 <PovAddict> zombie67: don't be so sure; depends on the app

00:34 <zombie67> I am not talking about credits

00:34 <Soul_keeper> it's much easier to fully stress a cpu

00:34 <MTughan> No, with the GTX series, it's almost guaranteed that with the GPU stressed, it'll demand a lot of power...

00:34 <MTughan> Trying to find figures...

00:34 <zombie67> I am talking about CPU at 100% vs GPU at 100%

00:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: if CPUs always gave better performance per watt, why would GPUs even exist? they give better performance/watt than CPUs for OpenGL realtime rendering, that's what they were made for

00:35 <PovAddict> games

00:35 <PovAddict> note no mention of credits

00:35 <zombie67> POV, I understand that GPUs are better at some things

00:35 <Soul_keeper> chances are you'll never get your GPU at 100% unless your program is highly optimized to keep all the stream processors fed constantly

00:35 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you never keep your CPU at 100% either

00:35 <zombie67> I am talking about power consumption

00:35 <MTughan> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/21/0,1425,i=212576,00.gif

00:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5czvfy> (at common.ziffdavisinternet.com)

00:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah but i'd think it'd be a lot easier, atleast where things stand now

00:36 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: CPUs are not fed constantly with data wither, it's very often stuck waiting for memory accesses

00:36 <zombie67> exactly, GTX 280, 304 watts.

00:36 <PovAddict> either*

00:36 <zombie67> name one quad core CPU that consumes that much

00:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

00:36 <MTughan> None. The Q6600 has a TDP of 105W.

00:36 <zombie67> right

00:37 <Soul_keeper> 145w on the latest amd quad

00:37 <MTughan> Notice that's total system power though.

00:37 <PovAddict> zombie67: does that GPU give the same performance as a quad core CPU?

00:37 <zombie67> so you could run 3x q6600s for the same power of a GTX 280

00:37 <MTughan> &math 304-148

00:37 <Romulus> MTughan: 156

00:37 <MTughan> 156W used by the GPU, approx.

00:37 <zombie67> AND, with the GTX 280, you ALSO have to pay for the CPU power too

00:38 <zombie67> POV, on yoyo, an OC Q6600 could do about the same as my PS3

00:38 <MTughan> Either way, that's one monster I would not want to keep at full power 24/7.

00:38 <PovAddict> GPUs are special-purpose processors that are recently becoming more general

00:39 <zombie67> no, they are not becomming more general, more apps (outside of BOINC) are being written for them

00:39 <Soul_keeper> between my 3 systems i'm pulling about 600watts of constant juice

00:39 <PovAddict> zombie67: why does it require a specific card or greater then?

00:39 <zombie67> My power bill is obscene.

00:40 <PovAddict> they ARE becoming more general, in the past they weren't programmable at all

00:40 <Soul_keeper> nvidia claims they didn't implement the features in the older cards or whatever

00:41 <zombie67> okay, let me ask it a different way, what is the best performance for the lowest energy that meets the project's requirements?

00:41 <MTughan> That'd take a graph and a bit of analyzing.

00:41 <zombie67> yeah

00:41 <PovAddict> I haven't even analyzed that with only CPUs

00:41 <Didactylos> The whole thing's moot until some more massively multi-threaded programming techniques become common.

00:41 <MTughan> Give me a day or two and I could compile that for you.

00:41 <Didactylos> A change that *has* to happen soon.

00:41 <zombie67> I take the GTX 280 has two GPUs?

00:42 <MTughan> I don't think so...

00:42 <MTughan> 9800GX2 does.

00:43 <MTughan> No, I don't believe so. 240 stream processors though.

00:43 <Soul_keeper> which would mean nearly twice the power drawl

00:44 <Soul_keeper> http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/NVIDIA/GeForceGTX200/gtxvspenryn.jpg

00:44 <Didactylos> It's easy for a system overall to benefit from parallelism - my computer has... 628 threads.

00:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4tr3e7> (at images.anandtech.com)

00:44 <MTughan> Yeah, but the GTX280 is drawing the same power as a 9800GX2 at load.

00:44 <zombie67> http://www.youtube.com/v/DnIvodB2RzU

00:44 <PovAddict> "GPU functionality has, traditionally, been very limited. In fact, for many years the GPU was only used to accelerate certain parts of the graphics pipeline. Some improvements were needed before GPGPU became feasible."

00:44 <Didactylos> But the only single process using many is Tomcat, and most of those threads are waiting.

00:44 <MTughan> Yeah, I've seen that before...

00:45 <zombie67> wait, I assumed the GTX was superior to the 9800....not so?

00:45 <MTughan> It is.

00:45 <Soul_keeper> basically for the same die size you could fit like 5 of intel's latest quads

00:46 <Didactylos> Do any of the current GPUs offer IEEE compliant FP?

00:46 <Soul_keeper> i'd wager to bet that, assuming the process tech was the same, power consumption of such a 20 core chip would be comparable

00:47 <zombie67> someone turn off rommie?

00:47 <MTughan> &markov

00:47 <Romulus> Rumor has it markov is running amok, MTughan

00:47 <zombie67> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnIvodB2RzU

00:47 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - FASTRA - Official Movie - English - Shorter Version (at www.youtube.com)

00:48 <PovAddict> "The implementations of floating point on Nvidia GPUs are mostly IEEE compliant, however this is not true across all vendors"

00:49 <zombie67> 4x 4x MSI 9800GX2 graphics card

00:49 <Didactylos> I remember the ATi ones didn't.

00:49 <PovAddict> "CUDA supports the C "double" data type, however on G8X series GPUs these types will get demoted to 32-bit floats."

00:49 <PovAddict> "NVIDIA recently announced its new GT200 architecture which now supports 64-bit (double precision) floating point"

00:49 <MTughan> Dunno what motherboard they're using...

00:50 <zombie67> FASTRA = 8x GPUs

00:50 <Didactylos> Does it mention the cost? GPUs that support it at all tend to do double FP slooooooooooooooooooowly.

00:50 <zombie67> Less than 4000 Euros

00:50 <Didactylos> Sorry - computational cost.

00:51 <PovAddict> Didactylos: not that I can see

00:51 <zombie67> more info here:  http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/index.html

00:51 <Romulus> Title: FASTRA (at fastra.ua.ac.be)

00:51 <zombie67> nice cabling!

00:51 <PovAddict> anyway, before CUDA, programming for a GPU involved using every feature for a purpose it wasn't intended

00:51 <MTughan> "128-bit full floating point precision" on an ATI FireGL card.

00:51 <zombie67> wait, ATI had a programming app first

00:52 <MTughan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=018857&cid=999.243.272

00:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6glrok> (at www.canadacomputers.com)

00:52 <PovAddict> simple example: two big arrays of numbers, you want to get a 3rd array with the average of the numbers in the other two

00:52 <Didactylos> Yeah, worry about whether your data is getting accidentally anti-aliased in *not* the kind of bug I want to have to track down....

00:52 <PovAddict> you put the numbers as pixel colors in textures, then alpha-blend them at 50%

00:52 <PovAddict> Didactylos: lol

00:52 <MTughan> Heh...

00:53 <zombie67> the dude in that video is the proto-geek

00:53 <MTughan> The FireGL processors are workstation level processors and probably idea for programming. I believe Nvidia's competition is the Tesla series.

00:53 <Didactylos> MTughan: 128 bits is a lie.

00:54 <MTughan> I'm just quoting off the page.

00:54 <Didactylos> What ATI mean is it takes 4 32bit operands at once.

00:54 <Didactylos> I hate ATI for that.

00:54 <Didactylos> Well, their marketing department, anyway.

00:56 <Didactylos> It's not new, either. ATI have been doing their fake 128 bit thing for - what? 10 years?

00:57 <Didactylos> Mind you, back then it probably meant 8 16 bit operands... :-D

00:57 <MTughan> lol

00:59 <Didactylos> MTughan: have you looked at http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/ yet?

00:59 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at synecdoche.googlecode.com)

00:59 <MTughan> Yes, Pov showed me it yesterday.

01:00 <Didactylos> Thoughts?

01:00 <MTughan> Interesting. I can help with some of the graphics, with the sketches I already have.

01:00 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you try further compiling it?

01:00 <MTughan> No, I didn't try and get wxWidgets.

01:01 <Didactylos> wxWidgets is hard work.

01:01 <MTughan> I have wxGTK, but it doesn't satisfy apparently.

01:01 <Didactylos> It doesn't?

01:01 <MTughan> No wx-config.

01:01 <PovAddict> you may have only the libraries and not the -dev files

01:01 <MTughan> Hmm, didn't think of that... One sec.

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01:03 <PovAddict> you have what you need to run wxWidgets apps

01:03 <PovAddict> not what you need to compile wxWidgets apps

01:03 <MTughan> Yep, was missing dev packages.

01:04 <MTughan> No idea if it's Unicode or not... Know how to check?

01:05 <PovAddict> $ wx-config --libs --unicode=no

01:05 <PovAddict> and again with --unicode=yes

01:05 <MTughan> unicode=no returned no config. unicode=yes did. Thanks.

01:05 <MTughan> Configuring...

01:06 <Didactylos> We have a #synecdoche

01:06 <MTughan> Thanks.

01:06 <PovAddict> don't forget the -j2 in make :)

01:06 <PovAddict> and that said, I'm outta here

01:06 <Didactylos> Night, PovAddict

01:06 <MTughan> I'm going to have to go to bed soon too...

01:07 <MTughan> Looks like wxWidgets passed.

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01:14 <Soul_keeper> well that rmmod -f  didn't go well   ....

01:16 <Soul_keeper> lol sounds works now tho ...

01:16 <Soul_keeper> that neard in that fastra video is way too weak for all that bass they play in the intro

01:16 <MTughan> It didn't before?

01:16 <Soul_keeper> yeah i had just reinstalled everything, still working out the kinks

01:17 <Soul_keeper> forgot to backup my rc.d scripts and hidden dirs

01:18 <MTughan> Oops...

01:20 <Soul_keeper> lost like 500 bookmarks :(

01:23 <Soul_keeper> http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r104/DavesZ33/facepalmcolagert0.jpg

01:23 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5dkph2> (at i142.photobucket.com)

01:24 <MTughan> Uh...

01:24 <efc> moo

01:24 <MTughan> 'lo e, even though I'm just off to bed...

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01:26 <efc> Aww, SpaceGhost has a headache

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02:38 <quail> afternoon all

02:38 <quail> how are we all?

02:38 <quail> &wx ypad

02:39 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 3:30 PM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Clear. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

02:40 <Soul_keeper> crazy humidity today

02:40 <efc> moo

02:40 <quail> moo efc

02:43 <efc> Whats up..

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04:28 <dizzie> Morning all :)

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04:37 <efc> moo

04:38 <dizzie> meow

04:38 <CoderForLife> moo

04:43 <efc> &weather 31088

04:43 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 72F / 22C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 60s. Northeast winds up to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. (1 more message)

04:43 <efc> &more

04:43 <Romulus> efc: Northeast winds 5 to 15 mph.;

04:46 <CoderForLife> wow http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

04:46 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

04:46 * efc has been looking at buying a telescope

04:48 <efc> Nice pic

04:52 <CoderForLife> uh-huh

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05:23 <yangvnc> Is the linux boinc client buggy with allow_RPC_gui ?

05:23 <yangvnc> it always crashes on me if i want to connect remotelly

05:24 <CoderForLife> morning yangvnc

05:24 <yangvnc> hio CoderForLife

05:25 <CoderForLife> are you using the Linux boinc client to connect locally successfully?

05:26 <yangvnc> i am following instruictions from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely

05:26 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55s6fn> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

05:26 <yangvnc> CoderForLife: local connect works

05:26 <yangvnc> but if i conect from remote

05:26 <CoderForLife> hmm - what happens when it crashes?

05:27 <yangvnc> it says like unable to bind RPC

05:27 <yangvnc> i wonder if it binds under port 1024?

05:27 <CoderForLife> um

05:28 <CoderForLife> 1043 I think

05:28 <yangvnc> then it doesnt require to be run as root

05:28 <CoderForLife> is 1043 open/unfirewalled?

05:29 <CoderForLife> on/to the machine you're trying to remotely manage

05:34 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - bbiab

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06:29 <hawmps> 'lo

06:30 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps

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06:34 * hawmps yawns

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06:35 <CoderForLife7477> dang - what happened?

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06:40 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:40 <CoderForLife> laterz

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07:31 <MTughan> yangvnc: Yes, make sure the port is open. And it's port 31415, unlike CFL knows. :P

07:31 <MTughan> Think pi.

07:34 <MTughan> Also, did you modify gui_rpc_auth.cfg to change the password and remote_hosts.cfg to allow the host (unless you're adding the option to allow all requests)?

07:45 <yangvnc> MTughan: yep i was experimenting a bit, and afterwards the project even didn't like to start anymore

07:45 <MTughan> Odd...

08:34 <yangvnc> Ehm WCGrid doesn't work for linux=?

08:34 <yangvnc> I can only contribute to climateprediction

08:34 <MTughan> Should work... One sec.

08:34 <yangvnc> I keep getting work suspended

08:37 <MTughan> WCG should work fine with Linux. If anything, you'll have more trouble on Mac.

08:39 <yangvnc> hm

08:39 <yangvnc> this boinc

08:39 <yangvnc> is only running on i686/amd64 or also other platforms?

08:39 <MTughan> Yeah, my Linux comp is crunching a Human Proteome Folding WU from WCG right now.

08:39 <MTughan> When you say boinc are you referring to the BOINC software or the project apps?

08:40 <yangvnc> I mean, probably the project itself doesn't support other archs than these 2, if the project gets downloaded it cannot be resolved

08:40 <MTughan> What are you running?

08:40 <yangvnc> i have some sparc machines which could be used

08:40 <yangvnc> but i read on debian boinc website that only those 2 platforms were supported

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08:40 <MTughan> Yeah, Sparc isn't as popular as it once was. Most projects don't have Sparc apps.

08:41 <yangvnc> yes, that is what i thought

08:41 <MTughan> Oh, you can find BOINC client for Sparc, no problem. People compile them. The problem is finding projects that support Sparc.

08:41 <MTughan> One sec...

08:41 <yangvnc> yes, exactly

08:42 <MTughan> You're running Solaris?

08:42 <MTughan> Or Linux?

08:44 <yangvnc> linux

08:44 <yangvnc> actually

08:45 <yangvnc> netbsd/openbsd

08:45 <MTughan> Looks like this is the closest you want. http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/Home.html

08:45 <yangvnc> on the sparc nodes

08:45 <Romulus> Title: Home (at www.dotsch.de)

08:46 <MTughan> Or I try and walk you through compiling the client and applications.

08:46 <yangvnc> that link looks good

08:47 <MTughan> K.

08:47 <MTughan> If you need others, they're all on here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DownloadOther

08:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6f8g6p> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

08:47 <yangvnc> but, what i see in my boinc manager is that the project tries to download the exact arch version projectwork-686

08:48 <yangvnc> so it would not process well on sparcs

08:48 <MTughan> Sparc includes x86 compatibility?

08:49 <yangvnc> i think not

08:50 <MTughan> You're running the BOINC client now? For Linux/i686?

08:50 <yangvnc> It seems like the SIMAP project is the only one that supports different unixes

08:50 <yangvnc> yes, i am

08:50 <MTughan> So something's running i686 code...

08:51 <MTughan> I don't see a Sparc app on SIMAP.

08:51 <yangvnc> it is

08:52 <yangvnc> PC/PARISC/IA64/Alpha/Sparc platforms for UNIX: UNIX simap** 5.10 stable UNIX hmmer** 5.09 stable

08:52 <MTughan> Hmm... What I'm looking at: http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/apps.php

08:52 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

08:53 <yangvnc> http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/

08:53 <Romulus> Title: SIMAP - Similarity Matrix of Proteins (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

08:55 <MTughan> "** These applications need manual installation. "

08:55 <MTughan> That's why they're not listed there...

08:55 <yangvnc> yep, they need to be manually comiled

08:55 <yangvnc> s/comiled/compiled/

08:55 <MTughan> No, they're already compiled. They just need to be installed and the BOINC client configure.

08:55 <MTughan> configured*

08:56 <MTughan> http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/appdownloads.php

08:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ok2yt> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

08:56 <yangvnc> but here

08:56 <MTughan> I can walk you through it.

08:56 <yangvnc> http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/appdownloads.php here i find only i386/686 support for netbsd/openbsd

08:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ok2yt> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

08:57 <MTughan> Yeah, the only Sparc apps are for Solaris and Linux.

08:57 <yangvnc> yes

08:58 <yangvnc> however i will bookmark the site

08:58 <MTughan> So would you like to compile your own?

08:58 <MTughan> It would require you to compile at least two programs.

09:01 <yangvnc> you mean I could try downloading the source package?

09:01 <MTughan> Yeah.

09:01 <MTughan> That does limit you to projects that publish their source code however.

09:03 <yangvnc> lets try

09:04 <MTughan> Okay. First thing is to get the BOINC source code because project apps link against this to communicate with the core client.

09:04 <MTughan> I have to look up the address... First though, make sure you have svn installed.

09:05 <yangvnc> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/sparc/4.0/All/boinc3-coreclient-3.19.20040714.tgz

09:06 <MTughan> You actually need the source to compile the libraries needed to compile project applications.

09:06 <MTughan> svn co http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc

09:06 <Romulus> Title: Revision 15605: /trunk/boinc (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

09:08 <yangvnc> ok which are the debendancies libs?

09:08 <MTughan> For BOINC or for a project application?

09:09 <yangvnc> for boinc client

09:09 <MTughan> Well, everything is on here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwarePrereqsUnix

09:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3ydfwm> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

09:09 <MTughan> I imagine you'll be looking at Applications (non-graphical) here.

09:10 <yangvnc> yes

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09:13 <yangvnc> I am missing all the dependancies

09:13 <MTughan> You don't have any compilation tools? gcc?

09:13 <yangvnc> only that

09:13 <MTughan> pkg-config should come with most recent Unixes.

09:13 <yangvnc> no subversio

09:14 <MTughan> Well, I can get the sources and package them up into a gunzip or bunzip for you.

09:15 <MTughan> Then you wouldn't need subversion.

09:17 <MTughan> I'll put it in a tarred gunzip, but I'm not sure how big it'll be.

09:19 <yangvnc> I don't want to occupy you too much, will try to resolve the deps, and tell you afterwards if it worked

09:19 <MTughan> No bother. It's packaging now.

09:19 <yangvnc> there are some pre-made ones for sparc that i have found

09:19 <MTughan> Ah, nice.

09:20 <MTughan> Hehe.... 62.3MB.

09:20 <MTughan> Nice though... svn checkout itself downloads 230MB.

09:22 <yangvnc> MTughan: I have some other question which I really want to ask you about...On climatePrediction.net I can make up to 3 profiles (default, work, home), but In my client i can never specify others than default

09:22 <MTughan> I believe you set them online.

09:23 <MTughan> One sec, checking with E@H.

09:23 <MTughan> Yes. If you go to the computer list, then click on one. At the bottom should be where you specify the location.

09:23 <MTughan> AKA profile.

09:24 <yangvnc> yes

09:24 <yangvnc> but

09:24 <yangvnc> on my client

09:25 <yangvnc> how does my client knows which profile to download

09:25 <yangvnc> aha

09:25 <yangvnc> you mean on project computer list I select the correct profile

09:25 <MTughan> If gets the most recent preferences it can find from a project.

09:25 <MTughan> Yes.

09:25 <yangvnc> ok

09:27 <yangvnc> nice, thank you !

09:27 <MTughan> np

09:30 <yangvnc> it seems to work on both netbsd i386/sparc

09:31 <MTughan> Cool.

09:31 <MTughan> Wonder if it's something like the "fat binary" Apple came up with for OS X.

09:31 <yangvnc> 2008-07-15 15:26:51 [climateprediction.net] Message from server: platform 'i386--netbsdelf' not found

09:32 <MTughan> Did you just find a client or an app too?

09:32 <yangvnc> I should try the SIMAP project

09:32 <yangvnc> I wanted to connect the client to climateprediction, it doesnt seem they have the correct project data

09:33 <MTughan> If you found a project application for them, you'll need to tell the client to use that.

09:33 <yangvnc> [climateprediction.net] Message from server: platform 'sparc--netbsdelf' not found

09:36 <yangvnc> well

09:43 <yangvnc> :/ 2008-07-15 15:49:12 [boincsimap] Message from server: platform 'i386--netbsdelf' not found

09:46 <yangvnc> [boincsimap] Message from server: platform 'sparc--netbsdelf' not found

09:46 <yangvnc> nope not supported on simap either

09:46 <MTughan> Those apps on SIMAP aren't downloaded automatically.

09:47 <yangvnc> hm, how then?

09:47 <MTughan> http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/appdownloads.php Bottom of the page.

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09:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ok2yt> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

09:48 <yangvnc> there are none made fotr

09:48 <MTughan> Make sure you shut down BOINC before creating the files though.

09:48 <yangvnc> netbsd

09:48 <MTughan> No, the method of telling BOINC to use applications other than the ones that the project is offering directly, which is on the page I had posted earlier.

09:50 <yangvnc> hm, http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/appdownloads.php this one you mean?

09:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6ok2yt> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

09:50 <MTughan> Sorry, this one: http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/apps.php

09:50 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

09:50 <MTughan> Those are the applications that BOINC can download automatically. The other ones need manual installation.

09:50 <yangvnc> The current version of the application will be downloaded to your computer. This happens automatically; you don't have to do anything.

09:51 <MTughan> Only for those applications though.

09:51 <yangvnc> ah

09:51 <yangvnc> off course netbsd is not listed

09:51 <MTughan> I don't know if there is even an official NetBSD platform...

09:51 <MTughan> For BOINC, that is.

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09:52 <yangvnc> i should follow http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/alternative_boinc_attachment_procedures.html section 2. probably

09:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/63vcxu> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

09:52 <MTughan> There are, but only for i686 and x86_64.

09:53 <MTughan> 2.1 looks good.

09:54 <yangvnc> ok, lets continue tomorow

09:54 <MTughan> K.

09:54 <yangvnc> thank you for assistance

09:54 <MTughan> np

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13:38 <PovAddict> how long are SETI WUs nowadays?

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13:44 <dizzie> Hello again, and notes to self: remember to start irc in a screen :)

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14:18 <PovAddict> &google cache http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4443449

14:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/63dht8> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

14:18 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: Google seems to have no cache for that site.

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14:21 <PovAddict> anyone here currently running SETI@Home?

14:34 <PovAddict> what project would you recommend for a machine with 512MB RAM *not* running 24/7?

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14:51 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

14:51 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 76.3F / 24.6C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the 70s. Light wind becoming west 10 mph or less this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening then areas of low clouds late. Lows in the lower to mid 50s. West wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the (1 more message)

14:51 <FreeLarry58> &more

14:51 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: south after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny except areas of morning low clouds. Highs in the upper 60s to mid 70s. West wind to 10 mph.;

14:51 <FreeLarry58> feels hotter than that here

14:53 <FreeLarry58> humm guess vista install will have to wait till i can update the bios on that mb

14:54 <FreeLarry58> xp x64 installs now that downgraded the vid card to an 8400 from ati 2500

15:01 <FreeLarry58> guess abc at home down hard - cant even get home page

15:04 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: try seti

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15:04 <^ag^> hi @ll

15:06 <^ag^> question: can`t send any work to SETI project since some days; boinc returns : server shutdown for maintenance. Boinc manager for windows 5.10.45

15:06 <^ag^> is it normal?

15:07 <PovAddict> "shutdown for maintenance" doesn't explain enough?

15:07 <PovAddict> go to SETI website

15:07 <PovAddict> "Every Tuesday morning (Pacific time) we have a 3-4 hour outage for database maintenance."

15:08 <PovAddict> and

15:08 <PovAddict> "We have been struggling with database problems for the past few days, though we made some progress today. Various services may still be up and down throughout the weekend, but we may be beyond the worst of it."

15:08 <^ag^> well, that`s what i`ve seen , but it seems that there is a long time; since 2001 i haven`t found that, that`s what i asked

15:09 <^ag^> i mean , that`s WHY i asked

15:09 <^ag^> i thought that maybe i had some problem with my client

15:09 <PovAddict> SETI has never been more than two weeks without having some kind of server problem :)

15:10 <^ag^> ajam ...

15:11 <^ag^> i`ve been having that problem for more than two weeks

15:11 <FreeLarry58> ^ag^ try stopping and restarting boinc after a few more hours - have been uploading and dl'ing from seti regularly here over past few days

15:12 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: atm they're *definitely* down

15:12 <FreeLarry58> yup

15:12 <FreeLarry58> thats why said in a few hours

15:12 <^ag^> FreeLarry58 : thx, i`ll try

15:12 <PovAddict> ^ag^: you didn't understand me: SETI@Home always has some kind of problem at least every two weeks, so if you never had any SETI connection problems for seven years you're really lucky and never tried connecting during the downtime periods :)

15:13 <FreeLarry58> .45 had a problem with clearing the cache i think as had to restart occasionlly for it to find the right links

15:13 <^ag^> maybe ..i`ve been lucky

15:13 <FreeLarry58> or patient

15:13 <^ag^> :)

15:14 <^ag^> the question was because i thought it was a problem of the client

15:14 <^ag^> althought the message was clear

15:14 <^ag^> but maybe uploading works was something about with the client too

15:14 <FreeLarry58> blah - hate vista - even after failed install have to completely reformat hd to install os agian

15:14 <^ag^> vista .. hehe

15:15 <FreeLarry58> vista af he77

15:15 <^ag^> news OS

15:15 <PovAddict> vista doesn't have problems

15:15 <^ag^> and "clear code"

15:15 <PovAddict> vista *is* a problem

15:15 <^ag^> hehe

15:15 <FreeLarry58> yeah no problem - just doesn't like new chipsets or bios

15:15 <^ag^> well, xp was a problem years ago too

15:16 <FreeLarry58> never had problem with xp - just a little with x64 tho

15:16 <^ag^> people asks me , and i tell them, you`ll better get comfortable with it, or change your OS

15:16 <FreeLarry58> but now M$ going to force every one to blahsta as stoping support for xp in january next year

15:17 <^ag^> FreeLarry58 , that`s the question; and i the very early xp`s were a lot of problems with exploits, etc ..remeber sasser, blaster

15:17 <^ag^> and many drivers

15:17 <^ag^> etc

15:18 <FreeLarry58> really hate this constant 5 to 7 year change your os and give us booku bucks for the new bug filled os

15:18 <^ag^> users=testers

15:18 <FreeLarry58> but f9 also doesn't want to install on this gigabyte board eitherf - thnk bios may be the problem from mb manufactureer

15:18 <PovAddict> I don't see the point in paying so much for Vista if they didn't start from scratch

15:19 <PovAddict> they keep a HUGE code base from XP, so they should give us a cheaper upgrade price if we already have XP too

15:19 <^ag^> well, that could be a nice explanation of the M$ benefits

15:20 <^ag^> but the real cash are in server licenses

15:21 <^ag^> and now , many, many will have to upgrade to 2008 in a nice upgrade , formatting,and reinstalling, if you want to be with " the  best(M$)" OS

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16:15 <MTughan> PovAddict: S@H WU took ~3:20 on my Mac's Core Duo.

16:18 <MTughan> And yeah, ABC's been down for a day or two. DNS problems it seems. RS's servers also seem to be down.

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17:03 <^ag^> bye guys

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17:18 <xcamel> 'lo

17:20 <xcamel> all that hay is now baled...

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18:06 <CoderForLife> hay there Jay

18:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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18:07 <CoderForLife> &more

18:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast after midnight.;

18:07 <PovAddict> very punny CoderForLife

18:07 <CoderForLife> tanks ewe

18:08 <PovAddict> &google calc 9.10MB/s / 530KB/s

18:08 <Romulus> PovAddict: (9.10 (MB / s)) / (530 (KB / s)) = 17.5818868

18:09 * CoderForLife cools off under the fan

18:09 <CoderForLife> had to shut off the A/C while I was working on the gutters

18:11 * PovAddict closes apps

18:11 <PovAddict> I need all the RAM I can get

18:11 * PovAddict stops BOINC :o

18:12 <CoderForLife> eek

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18:14 <dizzie> Hello

18:14 * CoderForLife nods a welcome

18:14 <dizzie> So modest you are :)

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18:15 <CoderForLife> for devs: http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/07/15/New-Eclipse-member-looks-to-rival-Visual-Studio_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-07-15

18:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6lx5jv> (at www.infoworld.com)

18:16 <dizzie> Mhm

18:16 <dizzie> Too bad VS costs a truckload though

18:16 <dizzie> I love my gcc :)

18:16 <CoderForLife> there's the free student version

18:17 <dizzie> Crippled and limited in all ends i guess

18:17 <PovAddict> apparently the free versions only target the latest stuff

18:18 <PovAddict> (maybe to the point you can only write .NOT stuff and not make native apps)

18:18 <CoderForLife> the Dreamspark stuff

18:18 <dizzie> I'll stick with vi and gcc :)

18:18 <CoderForLife> https://downloads.channel8.msdn.com/

18:18 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft DreamSpark (at downloads.channel8.msdn.com)

18:19 <CoderForLife> full Visual Studio 2008 Pro and Server 2003 Standard

18:19 <PovAddict> my dev. environment: gVim, gcc, CMake, Mercurial, CGDB

18:20 <PovAddict> ...and solopianoradio

18:20 <CoderForLife> lol

18:20 <CoderForLife> ;)

18:20 <dizzie> gVim?

18:20 <PovAddict> dizzie: not much more than vim with a toolbar :P

18:20 <dizzie> Before i graduated my vi exam (lol) i used pico/nano whatever

18:21 <CoderForLife> femto

18:21 <KathrynM> vi...  devils handy work :p

18:21 <CoderForLife> The Far East Speaks

18:22 <dizzie> KathrynM: :q!

18:22 <dizzie> :p

18:22 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking I'm going to work on the tablet PC down on the couch

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18:23 <dizzie> I used to use emacs, but bleh, vi/vim is cool

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18:23 <dizzie> Its a no BS editor

18:23 <KathrynM> ah, Coderonthe Couch

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18:23 <KathrynM> I used nano once,

18:23 <CoderForLife> damn Miranduh tab bug

18:23 <KathrynM> When I rendered my system unbooted by being an idiot :)

18:24 <PovAddict> dizzie: http://imagebin.ca/img/2ND2K7Hm.png

18:24 <KathrynM> you know there are other irc programs out there :)

18:24 <CoderForLife> since KathrynM is here to entertain, I'll dive unto the couch

18:24 <CoderForLife> these programs irk me

18:24 <CoderForLife> &dict irk

18:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: irk v : irritate or vex; "It galls me that we lost the suit" [syn: {gall}]; gcide: Irk \Irk\ ([~e]rk), v. t. [OE. irken to tire, become tired; cf. Sw. yrka to urge, enforce, press, or G. ekel disgust, MHG. erklich disgusting; perh. akin to L. urgere to urge, E. urge.] To weary; to give pain; to annoy. [1913 Webster] To see this sight, it irks my (3 more messages)

18:25 <KathrynM> lo

18:25 <dizzie> I nice editor is Kate :) silly name for a editor btw

18:25 <KathrynM> Kate is a beautiful name :-)

18:25 <dizzie> Quanta+

18:25 <CoderForLife> lo? is that anything like "acting out"?

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18:26 <KathrynM> it means my l key keeps acting up

18:28 <dizzie> PovAddict: nice editor, guess i should use that instead of using a xterm :)

18:29 <dizzie> Ready for a tricky question?

18:30 * CoderForLife reads the list of the 10 most troubled banks

18:31 <dizzie> Name a simple and i mean SIMPLE CMS (eg. functionality vs eyecandy) so far i've looked at CMS Made Simple, but i donno

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18:31 <dizzie> Joomla is easy to install :)

18:31 <CoderForLife> the one getting the most attention is Alfresco

18:31 <dizzie> How come

18:32 <CoderForLife> because it is the one getting the most attention

18:32 <dizzie> Duh

18:32 <PovAddict> &port rsync

18:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: 873

18:32 <dizzie> :)

18:32 <CoderForLife> open source, most features

18:32 <CoderForLife> best competes with MS Sharepoint

18:32 <dizzie> I has to be simple

18:32 <PovAddict> "most features"? dizzie needs the opposite

18:33 <dizzie> What PovAddict just said

18:33 <CoderForLife> all I said was "the one getting the most attention is Alfresco"

18:33 <dizzie> Drupal maybe?

18:33 <CoderForLife> Nuke

18:33 <dizzie> Nuke!@#$

18:33 <CoderForLife> ezpublish

18:33 <dizzie> Most bloated cms there is

18:33 <CoderForLife> notepad

18:34 <dizzie> Only need a forum, a gallery and a userdb :)

18:34 <CoderForLife> &seen efc

18:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: efc was last seen in #boinc 13 hours, 45 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <efc> Nice pic

18:34 <PovAddict> &last efc

18:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)

18:34 <PovAddict> &any efc

18:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: efc was last seen in #boinc 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: *** efc has quit IRC ("Knowing when to leave may be the smartest thing anyone can learn.")

18:34 <dizzie> pkg_add -r drupal :)

18:35 <CoderForLife> Integrity Bank Alpharetta GA

18:35 <PovAddict> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/15/severed-usb-cable-is-really-a-2gb-flash-drive/

18:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5b98xh> (at www.engadget.com)

18:35 <CoderForLife> 3rd most troubled bank

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18:39 <CoderForLife> off to the couch

18:39 <dizzie> Take care

18:40 <CoderForLife> thx

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18:47 <dizzie> Hello Soul :)

18:48 <lsEee> freaking crazy stuff

18:48 <lsEee> &weather 91977

18:48 <Romulus> lsEee: Temperature: 85.8F / 29.9C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 61 to 69. Light winds.; Wednesday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 81 to 86 in the western valleys to 89 to 94 near the (1 more message)

18:49 <lsEee> my quad is sitting at like 60c idle

18:49 <lsEee> lowest voltages on everything the bios lets me set

18:52 <PovAddict> dry ice

18:52 <dizzie> Liquid helium :p

18:57 <dizzie> Mhhh 18.222 kb/sec

19:01 <KathrynM> too snarky?

19:01 <KathrynM> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2860#18504

19:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5mzkvz> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:03 <PovAddict> "waiting"?

19:04 <PovAddict> yeah as if they were ignoring the problem

19:04 <PovAddict> get me his email and I'll forward him the 100+ mailing list messages about it

19:04 <PovAddict> :P

19:04 <KathrynM> lol

19:04 <dizzie> lol

19:05 <dizzie> Why is zipfiles so darn slow on non-wintendo systems

19:05 <KathrynM> I almost added "So get programming"

19:05 <dizzie> bzip2 please :)

19:05 <dizzie> Or z7 if you must :)

19:06 <PovAddict> zip is better supported on Linux than 7z

19:06 <PovAddict> p7zip supports only LZMA basic stuff, yet on Windows you can use four different algorithms

19:06 <PovAddict> if you choose PPMd (which is better for text), you can't extract it on Linux

19:07 <dizzie> True, but the "unzip" for Linux is S L O W

19:07 <PovAddict> 7z (not 7zr) from p7zip package supports .zip files and other formats

19:07 <dizzie> I could do the dishes 3 times, the time it takes to extract a 1mb archive

19:07 <PovAddict> ok your unzip must be different from mine then

19:08 <dizzie> i just did "pkg_add -r unzip" :)

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19:21 <PovAddict> can somebody try running this: rsync rsync://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8733

19:22 <dizzie> sec

19:23 <PovAddict> saw you

19:23 <dizzie> Connected

19:23 <dizzie> :p

19:23 * dizzie hides again

19:24 <PovAddict> don't try to download anything unless you already have a file you want to update... my upload bandwidth is 15KB/s :)

19:24 <PovAddict> MTughan: ping

19:26 <dizzie> 15?

19:26 <dizzie> Satelite? or stupid ISP

19:27 <PovAddict> oh wait I have 30 now

19:27 <PovAddict> I used to have 128kbps up, but yeah 256kbps (= 30-32KB/s) now

19:27 <dizzie> I have 50mbit/2mbit :)

19:27 <PovAddict> 3mbit/256kbit here

19:27 <dizzie> 55 is 512, 27 is 256

19:28 <dizzie> In theory :)

19:28 <PovAddict> you don't get the 128->256 upload bump until you reach the 2mbit-down plan

19:29 <dizzie> Which is silly, its the upload this ISP has to pay for

19:29 <dizzie> I had 1mbit/128kb once :)

19:30 <PovAddict> my first ADSL was 256/128

19:30 <PovAddict> not too long ago

19:30 <PovAddict> 1mbit/128kb was mine like two months ago

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19:31 <dizzie> Hello Soul_keeper :)

19:31 <dizzie> My ISP is still selling xxx/64

19:31 <dizzie> 64!

19:31 <dizzie> Ahaha

19:31 <dizzie> Dirt cheap yes, but....

19:32 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:32 <Soul_keeper> ISPs suck

19:32 <dizzie> Not really, i work there = free net :p

19:33 <dizzie> 50mbit... free

19:33 <dizzie> Now hate me :p

19:33 <Soul_keeper> running my AC waiting for my cpu temp to drop so i can run boinc again with the system crashing ...

19:33 <Soul_keeper> without*

19:34 <dizzie> How many fans in your casing ?

19:35 <Soul_keeper> 4   not counting the psu/vid

19:35 <PovAddict> &google calc 4GB / 1.5MB/s

19:35 <Soul_keeper> 3 of the fans are the most powerfull ones on the market

19:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: (4 GB) / (1.5 (MB / s)) = 45.5111111 minutes

19:36 <Soul_keeper> i max out at 1MB/s download 100KB/s upload    and that's with business cable that is 4x as expensive as the standard residential package (which is the same speed)

19:37 <Soul_keeper> was the only way i could stop them from blocking port 80 and turning off my service if i uploaded over 500MB in an given day

19:38 <PovAddict> only really cheap plans here have data limits

19:38 <PovAddict> (MB/day or GB/month)

19:38 <PovAddict> most are totally unlimited

19:38 <Soul_keeper> yeah that stuff makes me angry

19:38 <PovAddict> 3mbit/s, do what you want with them

19:39 <PovAddict> and when I stopped having dialup and moved to ADSL, I had already had my port 80 open for like a month :)

19:39 <dizzie> &google calc 4GB / 18MB/s

19:39 <Romulus> dizzie: (4 GB) / (18 (MB / s)) = 3.79259259 minutes

19:39 <PovAddict> &google calc 4GB / 3mbit/s

19:39 <dizzie> 4min for a DVD :p

19:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

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19:39 <Barrett666_> hi

19:40 <PovAddict> &google calc 4GB / 3mbps

19:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

19:40 <dizzie> Hello

19:40 <PovAddict> &google calc 4GB / 3Mbps

19:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: (4 gigabytes) / (3 Mbps) = 3.03407407 hours

19:40 <dizzie> Ahahaha

19:40 <dizzie> Thats bad

19:40 <PovAddict> that's *fast*!

19:40 <PovAddict> &google calc 4GB / 512Kbps

19:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: (4 gigabytes) / (512 Kbps) = 18.2044444 hours

19:41 <PovAddict> ^ that's what I used to have

19:41 <Barrett666_> boinc need only the libc?

19:41 <PovAddict> Barrett666_: and libstdc++, and libcurl

19:42 <Barrett666_> i'm interested in a porting for BeOS/Haiku

19:42 <PovAddict> and zlib

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19:42 <PovAddict> and science applications need pthreads on Unixes

19:43 <Barrett666_> nice

19:43 <PovAddict> of course, each project app may have its own messy dependencies

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19:43 <Barrett666_> ok

19:44 <Barrett666_> thanks PovAddict

19:44 <Soul_keeper> need wxwidgets too

19:44 <Soul_keeper> for the gui

19:46 <Barrett666_> good night

19:46 <Barrett666_> <<

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19:56 <nickuwo> holy freaking crap its running

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20:06 <nickuwo> hmm why does pch != ";" always eval to true even if pch (which is a char * pch)  is ;?

20:09 <nickuwo> nm

20:09 * nickuwo is meh

20:10 <MTughan> PovAddict: Here now, what do you need?

20:11 <xcamel> re-hi

20:11 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

20:11 <xcamel> long day.

20:11 <xcamel> playin with hay...

20:11 <MTughan> Heh.

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20:16 <PovAddict> nickuwo: because pch is not a pointer to the same location in memory as the literal string ";"

20:16 <PovAddict> != with a char* compares the pointer, not the string contents

20:17 <nickuwo> strcmp!

20:20 <PovAddict> MTughan: I just wanted to know if Macs came with rsync out-of-the-box

20:20 <PovAddict> searched on Google and found that:

20:20 <PovAddict> 1. they do

20:20 <PovAddict> 2. I already knew it

20:21 <PovAddict> (Macs come with a *special* rsync that supports resource forks, and I had read about it in wikipedia "Fork (filesystem)" article)

20:36 <nickuwo> PovAddict, you are Nicholas Alvarez, correct?

20:36 <PovAddict> yes, without the h

20:37 <nickuwo> oh yea... well I'm not sure I was doing anything differently... I basically just pasted my code word-for-word into uc2.c... so it must have had something to do with the project settings or something

20:39 <PovAddict> maybe the way it was being run

20:40 <PovAddict> note you need the input files with the *logical* filenames in the current directory

20:40 <xcamel> any word on what happened to 'abc' ?

20:40 <MTughan> DNS issues.

20:41 <xcamel> changed, or dead?

20:41 <PovAddict> from experience, init_data.xml should not exist, and the output files should exist, empty (also with logical filenames)

20:41 <MTughan> Not sure. Just it's not getting an IP.

20:41 <nickuwo> alright

20:41 <PovAddict> somebody forgot to paid for their domain name renewal? :)

20:41 <PovAddict> I got an IP

20:41 <MTughan> I checked, the name is still valid.

20:41 <MTughan> Really?

20:42 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/raw/1072907

20:42 <MTughan> That IP works, but DNS isn't returning it here...

20:43 <xcamel> still says 'can't resolve hostname...'

20:43 <MTughan> Address Not Found: Firefox can't find the server at www.abcathome.com.

20:43 <PovAddict> well, maybe they fixed the DNS, and it propagated to my ISP but not to yours

20:43 <MTughan> Quite possible.

20:43 <PovAddict> or the opposite: the brokenness still didn't reach my ISP

20:43 <MTughan> But they did have DNS issues.

20:43 <PovAddict> says so on news but

20:43 <PovAddict> June 15th?

20:44 <xcamel> been a while...

20:44 <MTughan> Wow...

20:44 <PovAddict> DNS problems since then? they wrote the wrong month? this is *new* problems?

20:45 <xcamel> very dead.

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20:55 <xcamel> whole day on the tractor leaves you a bit sore..

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21:09 <xcamel> get a /nick there 'change-me'

21:09 <MTughan> lol

21:10 <Soul_keeper> maybe he is serious ...

21:10 <Soul_keeper> could need a diaper change, the internet has all types

21:14 <dizzie> Dont talk about dipars! i was nannying my sisters kids last weekend!

21:14 <dizzie> I dont anything that smells worse tbh :)

21:14 <PovAddict> rofl

21:16 <dizzie> Anyway...

21:16 <dizzie> Goodnight kids :)

21:16 <MTughan> Night.

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21:19 <xcamel> lol

21:27 <efc> &weather 31088

21:27 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 79F / 26C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 60s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Northeast winds 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 60s. (1 more message)

21:28 <efc> it seemed hotter than that after running

21:28 <PovAddict> well duh :)

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21:40 <lsEee> freaking heat

21:40 <lsEee> opened my front door and the pc crashed

21:48 <xcamel> ..still tasting the damned hay dust....

21:49 <PovAddict> ...old xcamel had a farm...

21:49 * xcamel groans

21:49 <PovAddict> E-I-E-I-O

21:51 <zombie67> POV, got a new 3g?

21:51 <PovAddict> new what?

21:51 <MTughan> iPhone 3G.

21:51 <zombie67> 3g iphone

21:51 <PovAddict> my cell phone is about the cheapest GSM phone you can get

21:51 <zombie67> cool.  Is is any louder?

21:52 <zombie67> pov, I thought you had irc running on an iphone?

21:52 <PovAddict> iPod touch

21:52 <zombie67> ah!

21:52 <MTughan> Basically an iPhone without the phone and the contract.

21:52 <zombie67> yeah

21:52 <PovAddict> and the camera and the speaker and bluetooth

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21:58 <xcamel> laterz..

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