IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-07-19

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04:23 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

04:23 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 83°F / 28°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1007hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:77 F. / 25 C.; Chance of Rain. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.;

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04:45 <CoderForLife> morn KathrynM

04:47 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

04:48 * KathrynM listens to stomach growling

04:48 * KathrynM goes to get something for dinner

04:48 <KathrynM> bbiab

04:48 <CoderForLife> k

04:51 <dizzie> Hello all :)

04:51 <dizzie> Or should i say morning :)

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05:02 <CoderForLife> hell dizzie

05:02 <CoderForLife> lol

05:02 <CoderForLife> *hello*

05:03 * CoderForLife considers going back to bed

05:06 <dizzie> Hell you :)

05:06 <dizzie> Hehe

05:06 * dizzie passes a cup of coffee your way

05:06 <dizzie> Enjoy :)

05:07 <CoderForLife> I guess I described how I feel

05:07 <dizzie> KathrynM: Are you awake (or just here will do)

05:07 <dizzie> That bad huh?

05:08 <KathrynM> eating dinner

05:08 <dizzie> When done, i could use your help if you please

05:08 <KathrynM> ya

05:08 <dizzie> Thanks :)

05:09 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:41 <KathrynM> dizzie, ping

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05:44 <dizzie> pong?

05:45 <KathrynM> what's up?

05:45 <dizzie> Have you got any experience with boinc clients, cli only

05:45 <KathrynM> very very very little

05:45 <dizzie> Well nomatter what i use Linux or FreeBSD, they fail to work

05:45 <dizzie> Eg. stalls/freezes

05:46 <KathrynM> the core client?

05:46 <Romulus> the core client is in the manager, KathrynM

05:46 <KathrynM> shut up Romulus

05:46 <dizzie> Yep

05:46 <KathrynM> I know where the core client is

05:46 <KathrynM> can you start the cc as a daemon and see if that generates the logs.

05:46 <dizzie> I run boinc_client, and boinc_cmd to attach a project = hangs

05:47 <dizzie> Its running alright, but i cant attach anything

05:47 <KathrynM> yeah, getting the logging would help

05:47 <dizzie> It just says: cpu +bla bla, and then running benchmark, and then nothing

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05:48 <KathrynM> so it's hanging on the benchmark?

05:48 <dizzie> No after

05:48 <dizzie> I used this guide :

05:48 <Romulus> Title: BOINC on FreeBSD (at

05:48 <KathrynM> it does complete the benchmark?

05:48 <dizzie> Yes

05:48 <KathrynM> what project are you trying to attach to?

05:49 <dizzie> SAH

05:49 <dizzie> SAH works on this laptop

05:49 <KathrynM>

05:49 <Romulus> <> (at

05:49 <KathrynM> can you turn on some logging flags

05:49 <dizzie> Where i use X11

05:49 <dizzie> Let me try again

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05:51 <dizzie> Give me 10, need to reinstall :o

05:52 <dizzie> i did a 'rm' :)

05:52 <KathrynM> k

05:53 <dizzie> If that fails again, i'll have to install the smallest less cpu eating wm (fluxbox or something) hehe

05:54 <KathrynM> maybe try setting up for remote control from a computer with X that *can* run the manager?

05:55 <dizzie> Still it shouldnt hang when trying to attach a project

05:56 <KathrynM> you're right, it shouldn't

05:56 <dizzie> If this native bsd code doesnt work, i will fetch and compile the linux code

05:57 <KathrynM> that's a plan too

05:57 <KathrynM> there's a cli only compile up on the boinc site.

06:00 <dizzie> 5.10.45

06:00 <KathrynM> yup

06:01 <Didactylos> Anyone who has an interest in the design of Synecdoche (whether you code or not) please subscribe to

06:01 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche-dev | Google Groups (at

06:01 <Didactylos> Thanks!

06:02 <KathrynM> or maybe not dizzie

06:02 <KathrynM> just download the regular one and extract it from the sea an ignore the manager

06:02 <dizzie> i did the ./run_client

06:02 <Didactylos> dizzie: BOINC is in the FreeBSD port tree.

06:02 <dizzie> Cant do /proc/cpuinfo but everything else work

06:03 <dizzie> Didactylos: and it doesnt work

06:03 <Didactylos> What BSD do you use?

06:03 <dizzie> FreeBSD-Current

06:03 <Didactylos> dizzie: it works fine. What problem are you having?

06:03 <dizzie> It doesnt work, or else i would use it :)

06:03 <Didactylos> Specificity....

06:04 <Didactylos> It works for everyone I know who has tried it, so....

06:04 * Didactylos scrolls back

06:05 <Didactylos> Maybe try a specific version?

06:05 <Didactylos> There were no problems with the 5.8 release.

06:05 <Didactylos> 5.10, even.

06:07 <Didactylos> dizzie: have you considered that it is working perfectly?

06:07 <Didactylos> If you launch BOINC in the current shell, then it *will just run the benchmarks then sit there....

06:07 <Didactylos> It's exactly what it should do.

06:09 <dizzie> Explain to me why boinc_cmd and/or/whatever boinc_client hangs when trying to attach a project

06:09 <dizzie> Like i said... doesnt work here...

06:15 <Didactylos> The question is: why are you using boinc_client? Didn't you start the service as explained in ?

06:15 <Romulus> Title: BOINC on FreeBSD (at

06:15 <dizzie> Well that didnt work either, give it a rest, i cant be arsed with boinc on FreeBSD for now :)

06:16 <Didactylos> Sorry, I'm just highly sceptical that you should have exactly the same problem on Linux and FreeBSD. Things go wrong, but for the coincidence you have - I'm wondering whether you did something wrong.

06:17 <Didactylos> What happened when you tried to start the service?

06:17 <dizzie> I'm not stupid. All i did was make install clean from /usr/ports

06:17 <Didactylos> Doing it wrong doesn't imply you're stupid :-p

06:18 <dizzie> I give up for now, give it a rest please

06:19 <Didactylos> You asked for help.

06:20 <dizzie> For the record, i followed this guide :

06:20 <Romulus> Title: BOINC on FreeBSD (at

06:20 <dizzie> And when i try to attach a project, it hangs (and after 5min i press ^c)

06:20 <Didactylos> You said you ran ./run_client.

06:21 <Didactylos> You should use /usr/local/etc/rc.d/boinc* start

06:23 <dizzie> I did... Yesterday, and guess what, it didnt work, i tried again from src, didnt work, i tried linux code, didnt work, i tried linux binaries, didnt work.

06:23 <dizzie> I am not installing X so i can use boincmngr

06:23 <Didactylos> "Didn't work" doesn't help me help you.

06:24 <Didactylos> What happened?

06:24 <dizzie> Read what i typed earlier "it hangs, i ^c it after 5 min"

06:24 <Didactylos> It *should* work. If it doesn't, nothing else you try is likely to work, either :-)

06:24 <Didactylos> "it" being?

06:25 <dizzie> Boinc_cmd (yes i got enable_boinc="YES" in my rc.conf)

06:26 <Didactylos> How about boinc_cmd --get_host_info

06:26 <dizzie> That shows FreeBSD

06:26 <dizzie> Benchmarking works too

06:27 <dizzie> Sorry about me being moody, but it has worked before, so i dont get it

06:27 <Didactylos> What command are you using to attach?

06:28 <dizzie> Cant remember from memory, 'boinc_cmd --attach_project (or --project_attach) <url> <key>

06:29 <dizzie> I followed the guide which i pasted for you earlier

06:30 <Didactylos> You can attach manually by copying an account file from some other computer to the data dir and restarting BOINC.

06:30 <dizzie> Havent tried that yet

06:30 <Didactylos> That will tell you if the problem is boinc_cmd or the client.

06:30 <Didactylos> Plus it may get you crunching.

06:31 <dizzie> And amt i am reinstalling from /usr/ports :)

06:31 <dizzie> Doesnt the xml files needs to be edited (eg cpu and os)

06:31 <Didactylos> Just copy the account_* file. That only contains your account key.

06:32 <dizzie> Give me a few, server is choking trying to compile fast enough :)

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07:04 <xcamel> 'lo

07:14 <KathrynM> I'm going to go do some painting.  I'm in a creative mood.

07:14 <KathrynM> later gators

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07:15 <dizzie> Take care and enjoy :)

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07:46 <xcamel> obtw...

07:46 <xcamel>

07:46 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:02 <CoderForLife> good luck today, xcamel

08:10 <CoderForLife> bbiab again

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08:42 <dizzie> Less lag, on a EU server, and not the stupid Madison server :)

08:57 <Didactylos> Holy crap.

08:57 <Didactylos> You know those website buttons in BOINC Manager?

08:57 <KathrynM> ya

08:57 <Didactylos> You thought they came from the project, didn't you?

08:57 <KathrynM> I thought there was some sort of xml from the project

08:58 <Didactylos> SETI, Einstein, Predictor, CPDN and WCG have strings hard-coded into the manager so they can be localised!

08:58 <KathrynM> what?????!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

09:00 <Didactylos>

09:00 <Romulus> <> (at

09:00 <KathrynM> o. m. g.

09:00 <KathrynM> I don't know much, but that seems to be kinda crazy to me.

09:04 <Didactylos> You said it.

09:05 <KathrynM> lol

09:06 <KathrynM> crud, just knocked my cell onto the floor

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09:10 <CoderForLife> back

09:10 * Didactylos just replaced 1250 lines of code.

09:10 <KathrynM> wb CoderForLife

09:10 <CoderForLife> thx

09:10 <KathrynM> with what Didactylos?  two lines?  :-)

09:10 <CoderForLife> all code should be replaced with Code

09:11 <KathrynM> Code is beautiful.

09:11 <KathrynM> code is what I turn out

09:11 <Didactylos> About the same, probably. But mine's better :-D

09:11 <KathrynM> (on the rare occassions I try to write Code)

09:11 <KathrynM> lol

09:11 <CoderForLife> Code is logic poetry

09:11 <dizzie> Bash scripts doesnt count KathrynM :)

09:12 <KathrynM> hey

09:12 <KathrynM> it's all I can do

09:12 <Didactylos> Half the code I replaced was generated code. Uuuuuugly!

09:12 <dizzie> Hello :)

09:12 <KathrynM> hi dizzy

09:12 <dizzie> Code can be fun (mostly is)

09:15 <CoderForLife> Code is Life

09:15 <KathrynM> I once saw a site that had Code for 100 bottles of beer on the wall in all sorts of different programming languages.

09:16 <CoderForLife> A Rosetta stone, as it were

09:16 <KathrynM> lol

09:16 <CoderForLife> I'm sure ET will be impressed

09:17 * CoderForLife cools off under the fan after his incremental change to the temporary gutter system

09:17 <KathrynM>

09:17 <Romulus> Title: 99 Bottles of Beer | Start (at

09:18 <CoderForLife> lol  - this is great

09:18 <KathrynM> glad you like it

09:19 <CoderForLife> I love the IBM 370 Assembler - brings back memories

09:19 <dizzie> I'll stick to C, C#, and ASM :)

09:19 <dizzie> 370 :P Hehe

09:19 <CoderForLife> I *hated* Alice Pascal

09:19 <dizzie> Who didnt hate Pascal

09:19 <CoderForLife> It would auto-generate it's "code" as you wrote, trying to anticipate your logic

09:20 <CoderForLife> I spent more time on the delete key than any other

09:20 <dizzie> I learned ASM on a 6502 CPU

09:20 <dizzie> I still prefer asm as its the fastest

09:20 <CoderForLife> for me - 6502, 8085, IBM mainframe, and MIX from a textbook

09:21 <KathrynM> ha!  I took a 5 week class my first quarter of college that taught GW-BASIC

09:21 <KathrynM> I actually understand the Code.

09:21 <CoderForLife> oh, and 8086/8088

09:21 <dizzie> MC 68k, i miss that CPU

09:21 <dizzie> Read Amiga :)

09:21 <CoderForLife> I didn't do much with 68000

09:21 <CoderForLife> mine was for Mac

09:21 <dizzie> 6502 was in my C64

09:22 <CoderForLife> Apple ][ for me =)

09:22 <CoderForLife> and the Rockwell AIM-65 single board computer

09:22 <KathrynM> We had an Apple IIc

09:22 <dizzie> When i had been coding for a while on Amiga and got a x86, the syntax was reversted

09:22 <KathrynM> And as of a little more of a year ago, it still worked.

09:22 <dizzie> Eg. LDA #4, whatever

09:22 <CoderForLife> little-endian versus big-endian

09:22 <dizzie> Was : Whatever LDA #4 on PCs

09:23 <CoderForLife> ah, the asm syntax

09:23 <dizzie> Yep

09:23 <dizzie> Reversed on x86 :)

09:23 <CoderForLife> yep, ok

09:23 <dizzie> I still got one Amiga left :)

09:25 <dizzie> dosseq

09:25 <dizzie> .model small

09:25 <dizzie> .stack 100h

09:25 <dizzie> :-)

09:25 <dizzie> Can you still code a "hello world" in asm ? :)

09:26 <CoderForLife> it's been awhile

09:26 <CoderForLife> let me see...   give me a few

09:27 <dizzie> Well in C, its a stdio and a printf, simple :)

09:28 <dizzie> Its a lot of mov's in asm

09:29 <CoderForLife> ack!  dev system problems....

09:30 <CoderForLife> ah Firefox is chewing 95% CPU

09:31 <CoderForLife> was browsing some artwork - must take all my CPU to display it's magnificence

09:31 <dizzie> Great art then :)

09:32 <CoderForLife> it's the best

09:32 <dizzie> FF 2 or 3 ?

09:32 <CoderForLife> 3

09:32 <dizzie> Explains why ;)

09:32 <CoderForLife> negative upgrade?

09:32 <dizzie> Yep, hard to explain, but something with java and etc, causes insane cpu load

09:33 <dizzie> I stick with FF2 for a while

09:33 <CoderForLife> nm on the asm Hello World

09:33 <dizzie> Not even Debian, or FreeBSD has FF3 in their repo's

09:33 <CoderForLife> I'm out of the mood now =)

09:33 <dizzie> Hehe i'm not :)

09:33 <CoderForLife> This of course is FF on doze

09:34 <dizzie> Ohh btw KathrynM, i'll have to pass on the F9, My DVD is fubar and i am out of empty DVDs for now

09:34 <KathrynM> :(

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09:36 <dizzie> Tried to trick a usb stick to act as a DVD :p

09:36 <dizzie> Grub got mad :)

09:36 <KathrynM> grub is a fickle master

09:36 <dizzie> Yep, i prefer lilo above all

09:36 <dizzie> simple and no BS

09:36 <KathrynM> hmmm... if I ever want to boot to Kubuntu again, I need to fix grub

09:37 <dizzie> No, you can use lilo

09:37 <CoderForLife> a grub is a worm

09:37 <KathrynM> never used lilo

09:37 <KathrynM> a little scared to try to learn a new bootloader

09:37 <dizzie> &google lilo install on Fedora

09:37 <Romulus> dizzie: Search took 0.13 seconds: :: Triple-booting with GRUB, LILO , and Windows XP: <>; dell optiplex 320 - lilo fedora 8/9 installation: <>; Re: lilo: <>; dell optiplex 320 - lilo fedora 8/9 installation: <http://www (3 more messages)

09:37 <KathrynM> not that I understand grub all that well, but I should be able to muddle through fixing grub.conf

09:38 * CoderForLife watches the lights dim while Rommie searches

09:38 <KathrynM> lol

09:38 <dizzie> Romulus is getting old :)

09:38 <Romulus> Bugger all, I dunno.

09:38 <dizzie> See :p

09:38 <KathrynM> does he got his shotgun out yet?

09:38 <dizzie> Nah

09:38 <dizzie> I miss my old bot Jovo :)

09:38 <KathrynM> geeks and their toys :-p

09:38 * CoderForLife pops two quarters in Rommies slot, and buffs his chrome dome to a bright shine

09:39 <dizzie> Still got the src somewhere :)

09:39 <dizzie> KathrynM my bot could dance :)

09:39 <KathrynM> wow

09:39 <KathrynM> that's quite a bot then

09:39 <CoderForLife> I want a bot that acts like Floyd from the text-based game Planetfall

09:39 <dizzie> Somewhere it was a "vanilla" eggdrop bot

09:42 <CoderForLife> I found my programming languages resume =)

09:44 <dizzie> Catch :p

09:44 <dizzie> Dont you have dcc request from me ?

09:44 <dizzie> And... nice resume

09:45 <dizzie> No idea what assembler to use

09:45 <dizzie> Tasm might work

09:45 * CoderForLife bows to dizzie's asm Coding skills

09:46 <dizzie> Thanks

09:46 <dizzie> 3 Lines in C though :)

09:46 <KathrynM> I'll leave you two to talk shop

09:46 <CoderForLife> aww

09:46 * KathrynM dives into bed

09:46 <CoderForLife> cya KathrynM

09:47 <KathrynM> Been up since 6 AM

09:47 <dizzie> Night KathrynM :)

09:47 <KathrynM> night :-)

09:47 <dizzie> Sat Jul 19 15:47:13 CEST 2008

09:47 <dizzie> Afternoon here :)

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09:55 <dizzie> Hello quail :)

10:02 <quail> hey dizzie

10:03 * quail learnt about xdmcp tonight and how to run it

10:03 <quail> :-D

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10:07 <dizzie> Nice :)

10:07 <dizzie> I'm having issues, so re-installing FreeBSD as we speak :)

10:08 <quail> oh, I have never run freebsd

10:08 <quail> but I have freebsd her on disc tho

10:08 <dizzie> Well, been ages since i have used Debian

10:09 <dizzie> I got Debian/4.0(etch) here

10:09 <dizzie> Should i ? :)

10:09 <quail> top left pic here is what I have been playing with >>>

10:09 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: QuailLinux's Photostream (at

10:10 * quail runs debian testing here

10:10 <quail> on laptop anyway

10:10 <dizzie> No X anywhere atm

10:10 <dizzie> <-- GW/Router :)

10:11 <dizzie> Mhm should i give Debian a go on my laptop :)

10:14 <quail> mmm this looks interesting for my project >>>

10:22 <dizzie> Ack, now the entire appartment smells of stupid flowers :)

10:22 <dizzie> I just washed the floor :)

10:37 <dizzie> lol quail, please do a "apt-cache search pkpgcounter"

10:38 <quail> dizzie: pkpgcounter - Computes number of pages or quantity of ink needed to print documents

10:38 <dizzie> Yeah

10:38 <dizzie> lol

10:39 <dizzie> wtf! hehe

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11:35 <dizzie> quail what audiomixer do you use when using cli ?

11:35 <dizzie> aumix? =)

11:50 * CoderForLife wanders back to his PeeCee

11:51 <CoderForLife> re-hi

11:51 <dizzie> Welcome back

11:51 <CoderForLife> thx - it's so wonderful to be back

11:52 <dizzie> I cleaned my flat while you were gone :)

11:53 <CoderForLife> a good use of time

11:53 <CoderForLife> my parents stopped by

11:53 <dizzie> Smells nice of flowers now :)

11:54 <dizzie> I dont have carpets, so i was washing floors :)

11:54 <CoderForLife> I've been also sitting in the family room, watching The History Channel

11:54 <CoderForLife> a program about the Dragon's Triangle in the Pacific Ocean

11:54 <dizzie> Oh nice! Last time my parents was here, they had a "survival kit" for me :)

11:55 <CoderForLife> my parents came to get an update the landslide, return a book, and tell me how my sister is doing in the hospital

11:55 <dizzie> Not much on TV here, this time a day

11:55 <dizzie> Oh you sister is at the hospital? :-/

11:55 <dizzie> your*

11:55 <CoderForLife> yeah, for about 8 months now

11:56 <dizzie> Serious? (mind me asking)

11:56 <CoderForLife> well, yeah

11:56 <dizzie> Sorry to hear

11:56 <CoderForLife> anything that keeps you in for 8 months is serious

11:56 <dizzie> Indeed

11:56 <CoderForLife> her medical expenses have crossed the million dollar amount

11:57 <dizzie> Sh_t!

11:57 <CoderForLife> she's "better", but the current trend is not good

11:58 * CoderForLife starts up MS Money to enter his personal financial data for the past week

11:58 <dizzie> MS... thought you wasnt using Windows by now :)

11:59 <CoderForLife> I need to support all OS environments

11:59 <CoderForLife> Way back in the day, I used MacMoney

11:59 <CoderForLife> Then Quicken

11:59 <dizzie> True.

12:00 <CoderForLife> Now Microsoft Money

12:00 <dizzie> Worst i've used is Lotusnotes

12:00 <dizzie> Some still use it

12:00 <CoderForLife> We use Notes at w@#%

12:00 <dizzie> They use it in my bank, and its "offline" pretty often

12:01 <dizzie> They are looking for developers too. My bank that is

12:01 <CoderForLife> It's pretty reliable, must be poor adiministration

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12:01 <CoderForLife> we have quit doing Notes development

12:01 <CoderForLife> no new apps

12:02 <dizzie> Most banks here wants COBOL developers

12:02 <CoderForLife> now we are targeting JSR 168 compliant portal development

12:02 <dizzie> Old Mainframe, still works

12:02 <CoderForLife> we have quite a bit of COBOL running

12:02 <dizzie> AS/400 i think

12:02 <CoderForLife> We have one of the latest IBM mainframe models

12:02 <dizzie> The entire infrastructure on most banks runs COBOL

12:02 <CoderForLife> supports all our administration systems

12:03 <CoderForLife> does a great job

12:03 <dizzie> Some banks was using OS/2 until a few years ago

12:03 <CoderForLife> yeah, banks are the last to let go of OS/2

12:03 <dizzie> If it works, then dont touch it (Murphys law?)

12:04 <CoderForLife> well, depends on how badly you want to keep control on your expenses

12:05 <dizzie> True

12:05 <CoderForLife> if you replace everything every year, you won't make a profit

12:05 <dizzie> I dont see any banks or stockcompanies use Win2k/XP though

12:06 <CoderForLife> we use XP on the desktop, now that the last app that required NT4 SP 6a was replaced

12:06 <CoderForLife> Windows 2003 server on our 250 servers

12:07 <CoderForLife> that was about 850 desktops

12:07 <CoderForLife> so - I need to know Windows.... =)

12:07 <dizzie> Get VMWare :)

12:07 <dizzie> Easier

12:07 <dizzie> Hehe

12:08 <CoderForLife> We are virtualizing many of our servers, especially test/QA machines, on ESX

12:09 <CoderForLife> about 25 servers are actually virtual, running under Win2K3 under VMware ESX

12:09 <dizzie> VMWare is so nice, i even got OSX 10.5 running on it :)

12:09 <CoderForLife> sure

12:10 * CoderForLife continues entering receipts

12:10 <dizzie> Hehe

12:12 <BB_Laptop> Mornin

12:12 <CoderForLife> Your money, like any other relationship, gets screwed up if you don't give it some attention and manage it

12:12 <dizzie> Morning BB :)

12:12 <CoderForLife> hello BB_Laptop

12:13 <BB_Laptop> hi CFL

12:13 <dizzie> Yeah like every other relationship, wife takes a part of your money, 9/10th :)

12:14 <CoderForLife> then there's 2 relationships that aren't being managed =)

12:14 <dizzie> Hehe

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12:27 * CoderForLife missed last weekend - has a lot of receipts to enter

12:39 <CoderForLife> APOD may be down

12:39 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

12:40 <CoderForLife> hmm  Rommie saw it

12:42 * CoderForLife starts up

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13:12 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

13:13 <dizzie> Hello wdsmia :)

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14:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

14:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 90.3F / 32.4C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1002.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny with an isolated shower or thunderstorm possible. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)

14:51 <CoderForLife> &more

14:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Sunday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

14:54 <dizzie> 90...

14:54 <dizzie> Its like 40 here :)

15:08 <CoderForLife> it's a bit unpleasant outside

15:08 <CoderForLife> heat plus humidity

15:08 * CoderForLife looks at the newest bids for the retaining wall

15:08 <PovAddict> neverending project, CoderForLife?

15:08 <CoderForLife> never starting

15:09 <CoderForLife> but I have bids now

15:09 <CoderForLife> 3

15:09 <PovAddict> the "project" is "starting the wall" :)

15:09 <CoderForLife> yup

15:09 <CoderForLife> the never ending start

15:10 <CoderForLife> got any money you can loan me?

15:10 <PovAddict> do 200 bucks help enough?

15:11 * PovAddict gets evil face while thinking of the interest

15:11 <CoderForLife> if you can get me 100 more, I can re-install the deck steps at the end of the job

15:11 <PovAddict> or is $200 like pocket change compared to the full price of the wall? :)

15:11 <CoderForLife> $200 is decimal dust

15:12 <CoderForLife> the rounding error is $500

15:18 <PovAddict> exactly how big is the wall?

15:18 <PovAddict> does it divide two states?

15:22 <dizzie> You gotta be kidding me.... Sat. night and what do the send on TV? ... Bodyguard with Kevin Cosner :o

15:30 <CoderForLife> hey PovAddict - the design is for a 71 foot long wall, 21 feet high at the tallest part

15:31 <PovAddict> &echo [math convert 71 ft m], [math convert 21 ft m]

15:31 <Romulus> 21.6408 , 6.4008

15:32 <CoderForLife> an imposing ediface

15:32 <CoderForLife> The Great Wall of Ohio

15:33 <PovAddict> charge people to see it, to cover the costs

15:33 <CoderForLife> I was thinking that, might make a great ski ramp

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16:29 * dizzie wonders if wdsmia has one of those "state of the art" ISP, with 0% downtime...

16:30 <CoderForLife> his ISP has had too much drown-time

16:30 <wdsmia> I think thats 10% uptime :(

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16:30 <dizzie> wdsmia: Just a thought.. have you checked for Spyware and etc? lately

16:31 <wdsmia> its the cable modem losing the conection

16:31 <CoderForLife> have you wrung the water out of the wires lately?

16:31 <wdsmia> :P

16:31 <dizzie> My sis had that.. got blown off the net all the time, so i checked her pc for spyware, removed it, and situation was fixed

16:32 <dizzie> cable modem, as in TVnet ?

16:32 <CoderForLife> what kind of cable modem do you have?

16:32 <PovAddict> that's because botnet and spam software uses too much bandwidth to the point of overloading the connection, and makes other connections time out

16:33 <dizzie> Not with my ISP :p

16:33 <PovAddict> dizzie: why not?

16:33 <dizzie> First do a /whois on me

16:34 <PovAddict> dizzie: the botnet admin would love to have your computer :)

16:34 <PovAddict> and kill websites off using your upstream bandwidth

16:34 <dizzie> i got i cant remember how many ips to choose from, besides that, my ISP blocks certain ports

16:34 <dizzie> 25 is one of them :)

16:34 <dizzie> No spammail, not possible hehe

16:35 <PovAddict> I heard of a somewhat-common extortion attack

16:35 <dizzie> 2525 is open, and when i figure out how to make my mailserver use port 2525 i will be happy

16:36 <dizzie> exim is stupid :)

16:36 <PovAddict> attacker "collects" computers using trojans

16:36 <PovAddict> builds a huge botnet

16:36 <dizzie> I know

16:36 <dizzie> &google wikipedia botnet

16:36 <Romulus> dizzie: Search took 0.32 seconds: Botnet - Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia: <>; Storm botnet - Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia: <>; Storm botnet - Wikipedia , the free ... - StumbleUpon: <>; Botnet - Simple English Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)

16:36 <PovAddict> then calls the admin of some money-making website

16:36 <dizzie> First hit :)

16:36 <PovAddict> (particularly gambling websites and such)

16:37 <PovAddict> "give me X bucks or you're off the net"

16:37 <PovAddict> website admin refuses

16:37 <dizzie> True but most trojans and stuff only attacks people using monopoly OS (Sorry Windows!)

16:37 <PovAddict> attacker makes all computers in the botnet flood the website with requests

16:37 <dizzie> Well they should attack the pornsites then :)

16:37 <PovAddict> website down for a whole day, can't make money during that time :)

16:38 <PovAddict> attacker calls back

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16:38 <PovAddict> "oh gee, looks like your website was down... maybe next time you'll think twice before refusing to pay me?"

16:38 <PovAddict> and yes pornsites are probably another common target :)

16:39 <dizzie> Well, i can any sec. release and get a new IP, scriptkiddies with a botnet dont scare me

16:39 <PovAddict> most of those programs work by having your computer talk to a central server

16:39 <PovAddict> or join IRC and get commands from the channel

16:39 <PovAddict> so if your IP changes it will still work

16:40 <dizzie> Not if i kill the connection

16:40 <dizzie> I cant uphold a connection with no connection to the net :)

16:40 <MTughan> Then you have no connection.

16:40 <dizzie> What i just said :)

16:40 <PovAddict> that already needs more knowledge than the average Windows lemming that would fall for such trojans

16:41 <dizzie> Like  which is a dir and not a pic...

16:41 <dizzie> Its classic and people is still falling for it

16:42 <PovAddict> dizzie: you don't need a slash at the end for it to be a dir :)

16:42 <dizzie> I know

16:42 <dizzie> Or the older "windows flaw" "some-pic.jpg.exe"

16:42 <dizzie> Windows idiots saw it as some-pic.jpg :)

16:44 <PovAddict> in filesharing stuff you usually see some-recently-released-movie-name-[DVD-Rip]-english.avi.exe

16:44 <dizzie> I never visits p2p sites for the same reason

16:45 <dizzie> Only torrent sites where i know people

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17:17 <AFLAC> Evening all

17:17 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:18 <AFLAC> Hi Doug :)

17:18 <AFLAC> brb

17:25 <AFLAC> Quack

17:26 <AFLAC> ElGono is out in space

17:28 <CoderForLife> hey AFLAC

17:29 <AFLAC> Hi CFL how are you today?

17:29 <AFLAC>

17:29 <Romulus> <> (at

17:29 <CoderForLife> fair, and you?

17:29 <AFLAC> Just preening away ;)

17:29 <CoderForLife> lol

17:30 <CoderForLife> happier than a duck in water, eh?

17:30 <AFLAC> Lost UPS this morning and trying to find battery on a Saturday is tough

17:30 <AFLAC> Yep I am a happy guy

17:31 <AFLAC> Probably got them at FRY's

17:31 <CoderForLife> well, I hope you get your ducks lined up on the UPS battery

17:32 <AFLAC> Deals:

17:32 <Romulus> <> (at

17:34 <AFLAC> For the ones that have XP

17:34 <Romulus> <> (at

17:37 <CoderForLife> bbl

17:37 <AFLAC> later then

17:38 * CoderForLife flies away

17:38 <AFLAC> Gone for a snack here too

17:38 <AFLAC> Coders dont Fly...

17:38 * CoderForLife falls on his face

17:38 <AFLAC> LOL

17:38 <MTughan> They do if they're on an airplane.

17:38 <CoderForLife> now you tell me

17:38 <AFLAC> O

17:38 <AFLAC> Thaks MT

17:39 <MTughan> Or maybe they're a strange avian/coder combo.

17:39 <AFLAC> Could be

17:39 <MTughan> Does CFL chirp?

17:40 <AFLAC> Don't know for sure

17:40 <CoderForLife> I'll just turn myself off - I am a CFL after all

17:40 * CoderForLife goes out

17:40 <MTughan> Are you a football player too?

17:40 <AFLAC> Later then

17:40 <MTughan> (CFL = Canadian Football League)

17:40 * KathrynM groans

17:41 <MTughan> Oh well... Seeya CFL!

17:41 <AFLAC> HI K

17:41 <KathrynM> too early here for bad puns :)

17:41 <MTughan> 'lo Kathy

17:41 <KathrynM> quack AFLAC

17:41 <MTughan> lol

17:41 <KathrynM> hi ya MT

17:41 <AFLAC> :)

17:41 <AFLAC> How are the kids?

17:41 * KathrynM rummages through a bag to find best anti-itch mosquito bite medicine ever

17:42 <AFLAC> Ouch sorry 'bout that

17:42 <KathrynM> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

17:42 <KathrynM> got bit up when I was outside yesterday

17:42 <AFLAC> Ducks bite back :)

17:42 <AFLAC> Food

17:43 <MTughan> They eat mosquitos?

17:43 <AFLAC> Sure we do

17:43 <KathrynM> I slap back.  I've got at least 4 dead mosquitoes stuck to a wall

17:43 <MTughan> Aren't they a little small for you?

17:43 <AFLAC> not as tasty when dead

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17:43 <PovAddict> eww

17:43 <KathrynM> they make a nice splat

17:43 <AFLAC> NO I get them free like peanuts

17:44 <KathrynM> hiya pov

17:44 <AFLAC> HI Pov (or is that a quit)

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17:51 <AFLAC> Bye wdsmia

17:51 <AFLAC> sniff sniff

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17:52 <AFLAC> Yea, he's back

17:52 <MTughan> [5:51pm] AFLAC: Bye wdsmia

17:52 <MTughan> [5:51pm] AFLAC: sniff sniff

17:52 <AFLAC> there is an echo in here...

17:53 <MTughan> [5:52pm] AFLAC: there is an echo in here...

17:53 <MTughan> :D

17:53 <AFLAC> lol

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17:54 <PovAddict> [18:53] <MTughan> [5:52pm] AFLAC: there is an echo in here...

17:54 <AFLAC> LOL!

17:54 <MTughan> This could go on for a while...

17:54 <AFLAC> good one!

17:54 <PovAddict> who dares quote me

17:54 <PovAddict> XD

17:54 <KathrynM> I would, but I'm afraid of wdsmia

17:54 <MTughan> [5:54pm] PovAddict: [18:53] <MTughan> [5:52pm] AFLAC: there is an echo in here...

17:55 <wdsmia> KathrynM is wise

17:55 <KathrynM> :)

17:55 <AFLAC> Yes she is

17:55 * PovAddict adjusts his computer clock

17:55 <MTughan> Meh. I'm a coder.

17:55 <PovAddict> off by 44 seconds

17:56 <KathrynM> thanks for reminding me PovAddict I need to do that on the other computer.

17:56 <PovAddict> 19 Jul 18:55:14 ntpdate[25701]: step time server offset -44.468926 sec

17:56 <KathrynM> I don't know why it isn't automatically synching

17:56 <MTughan> I have right now, 5:56:30PM

17:56 <KathrynM> And it's off by at least 5  minutes now

17:57 <PovAddict> <3

17:57 <AFLAC>

17:57 <Romulus> Title: Egarner Time (at

17:57 <AFLAC> :)

17:57 <PovAddict> although there is a local server I use too

17:57 <MTughan> This is using a time server too, but

17:58 <PovAddict> I use

17:58 <PovAddict> or the secondary server

17:58 <MTughan> Now I'm on

18:01 <KathrynM> I'm using as well.  And the damn little autosync box is checked.

18:02 <KathrynM> I wonder how often it checks...  every 6 weeks?

18:02 <AFLAC> I use the Stratum 1 Time Servers

18:04 <PovAddict> AFLAC: bad

18:04 <AFLAC> Quack?

18:05 <MTughan> Hehe... Good speakers + loud music = coolness...

18:05 <MTughan> The audiophile equation. :P

18:05 <AFLAC> Beer + weekends = fun

18:05 <AFLAC> Back later after I eat

18:07 <PovAddict> I think it would be interesting if there was a BOINC project only accessible via IPv6 :)

18:07 <xcamel> ip kill >> - ftp hack attempts

18:09 <MTughan> Hehe... I can feel the singer's voice with my feet on the subwoofer and the volume up.

18:09 <xcamel> nice ride - one hell of a car... now... do I really want it...

18:09 * PovAddict turns MTughan's volume even higher and makes his subwoofer explode

18:09 <MTughan> Oh, this thing can go up to at least twice the volume. :D

18:13 * PovAddict turns MTughan's volume even higher and makes his *eardrums* explode

18:13 <MTughan> Okay, that might be possible...

18:13 <PovAddict> ^^

18:16 <xcamel> nothing like driving 430 miles to test drive a car...

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18:31 <AFLAC> J what are you testing, another Vett?

18:34 <xcamel> no - 2008 Audi RS4 cabrio

18:35 <AFLAC>

18:35 <Romulus> <> (at

18:35 <AFLAC> 420 HP

18:35 <xcamel>

18:35 <Romulus> <> (at

18:35 <xcamel> I have the 2004 S4 @ 330 HP

18:36 <xcamel> the RS4 is a beast in comparison

18:36 <AFLAC> I like fast cars

18:36 <xcamel> ditto

18:36 <AFLAC> Had a few vetts and want a 1963 now

18:37 <xcamel> it has 2 driving modes - granny and godzilla

18:37 <AFLAC> First and 4th?

18:37 <xcamel> the "S" button on the dash...

18:37 <AFLAC> or 6th

18:37 <xcamel> believe it or not...

18:38 <AFLAC> I would have to hide that from the wife, she pushes everything ;)

18:38 <xcamel> I believe the tires will smoke in the first 4 gears in 's' mode

18:39 <AFLAC> Sport Mode

18:39 <xcamel> and it is quattro..

18:39 <xcamel> 0-60 in under 5

18:39 <AFLAC> Could be a real gas saver if you never pressed the petal down

18:40 <xcamel> the S4 gets 22 hwy

18:40 <AFLAC> Good for that kind of car

18:40 <AFLAC> Sports

18:41 <AFLAC> 4.2 FSI V8 Engine

18:41 <AFLAC> 420 hp. 317 lb-ft of torque

18:42 <AFLAC> After another 11.8 seconds you touch 125 mph

18:42 <AFLAC> Just enough to get home in time!

18:43 <xcamel> really hard to find a place to test that one out...

18:43 <xcamel> Watkins Glen maybe..

18:43 <AFLAC> Salt flats

18:43 <xcamel> or Limerock

18:43 <AFLAC> I keep mine under 160

18:44 <xcamel> long ago I raced R90S at the glen

18:44 <AFLAC> kool

18:44 <xcamel> that was phun..

18:44 <AFLAC> Drag strip in the 1960's for me

18:44 <xcamel> and sometimes painful

18:45 <xcamel> 11 second Don Yenko Nova in the late 70's at Lebanon Valley..

18:45 <xcamel> C-Stock brackets

18:45 <AFLAC> Saw lots of Yanko cars on Speed Channel

18:45 <AFLAC> I worked for Petty for a while

18:45 <AFLAC> Stock car racing (on the streets)

18:46 <xcamel> even did a show run the last year Socks & Martin were still in business...

18:46 <AFLAC> 820 HP HEMI

18:46 <xcamel> did pretty well against a 383 magnum 'cuda

18:46 <AFLAC> They were slow and easy to blow up

18:47 <xcamel> we were within 4 hundredths every time

18:47 <AFLAC> I blew up a 440 cop car

18:47 <AFLAC> Dang Tack lied

18:47 <xcamel> this one was well done and solid

18:47 <xcamel> mine was a 350/400

18:48 <AFLAC> Socks and Martin were good guys too

18:48 <xcamel> the 396 would tear the uniframe apart

18:48 <AFLAC> I had a 396 Camaro 1969, wish I had it now

18:48 <xcamel> I hated cars that would twist in mid air

18:49 <AFLAC> It would change sides of the road when you swapped gears

18:49 <xcamel> yupper..

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18:49 <AFLAC> 396 had 375 HP before the modifications

18:49 <xcamel> my roadrunner still does that...

18:49 <AFLAC> HI Vos

18:50 <AFLAC> 440 RR?

18:50 <xcamel> 440 6pack/Dana trac-pack

18:50 <AFLAC> Nize

18:50 <xcamel> 1970 original

18:50 <AFLAC> very Nize

18:50 <xcamel> the wife's car is a black coachworks 1968 440 GTX with factory air

18:51 <AFLAC> very cool ride

18:51 <xcamel> marshmallow interior

18:51 <AFLAC> now you are making me hungry

18:51 <xcamel> lol

18:51 <xcamel> those were the day...

18:51 <xcamel> er days even

18:52 <AFLAC> yep I still drive fast on the weekends only

18:52 <xcamel> pure sunoco 260 and scoot...

18:52 <AFLAC> MY friend the cop lets me ;)

18:52 <AFLAC> Sonoco 280 burnt holes in the Chevy pistons

18:52 <xcamel> good friend to have..

18:52 <AFLAC> Old guys rule

18:52 <xcamel> bbiab..

18:52 <AFLAC> same

18:55 <AFLAC> Blogging and loving it:

18:55 <Romulus> <> (at

19:04 <AFLAC> bbiab

19:08 * AFLAC sneeking back in

19:10 * AFLAC sneaking away again for Server upgrades bbiab

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19:24 <PovAddict> KathrynM: ping?

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19:46 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 57 C to F

19:46 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: 134.6

19:47 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977\

19:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 74.8F / 23.8C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.26in / 990.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...becoming mostly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 60 to 66. Light winds.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. Slight chance of (2 more messages)

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21:16 <Rookie_69> No epoxy in my hair tonight... unless you include dust.

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21:50 * AFLAC thinks Rookie is up to something...

21:50 <AFLAC> Dang

21:52 <AFLAC>

21:52 <Romulus> <> (at

21:54 <AFLAC>  *Enjoy*

21:54 <Romulus> Title: All My Faves | Why Search? (at

21:55 <PovAddict> my head asplode

21:55 <PovAddict> with all the logos

21:55 <AFLAC> Yea had that affect on me too

21:56 <AFLAC> Hard enough to copy thenm then get them to the right size too

21:57 <AFLAC> &seen rookie

21:57 <Romulus> AFLAC: rookie was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 32 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <rookie> Snowing here now :-(

21:58 <PovAddict> &seen rookie_69

21:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: rookie_69 was last seen in #boinc 41 minutes and 38 seconds ago: <Rookie_69> No epoxy in my hair tonight... unless you include dust.

22:00 <AFLAC> &seen thegasgiant

22:00 <Romulus> AFLAC: thegasgiant was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 14 hours, 51 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> got me a Q9450 on order...due any day

22:22 <KathrynM> PovAddict, pong

22:22 <KathrynM> (sorry decided to go back to bed)

22:23 <PovAddict> John posting again... CPID being the MD5 of the password?! he clearly has no idea how things work

22:24 <KathrynM> I just read that

22:24 <PovAddict> that'd be interesting, change your password and your CPID changes :)

22:24 <KathrynM> and rolled my eyes

22:24 <KathrynM> it's pouring here

22:24 <KathrynM> must be the typhoon they're been promising since Friday

22:24 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

22:25 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 11:21 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 (1 more message)

22:25 <KathrynM> hmmmm... their idea of light thunderstorms and rain is different than mine

22:25 <KathrynM> no thunder and a lot more than light rain

22:27 <PovAddict> at least it's not more than light thunderstorms :)

22:27 <KathrynM> lol

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