IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-07-22

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01:27 <efc> boomers still coming through

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02:48 <efc> Interesting looking Schiefspieglers

02:48 <efc> [P. Zahl's Schief, view 1] [P. Zahl's Schief, view 2]

02:48 <Romulus> Title: Views of some Kutter Schiefspieglers (at

02:49 <efc> oops

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03:32 <CoderForLife> StrikeStar says we have a lot of lightning, but not as much as west of us

03:46 <efc> it finally passed us here

04:17 <efc> nice soaking rain for once

04:19 <CoderForLife> Duke Energy: 52991 customers out

04:20 <CoderForLife> just went outside in the rain with a flashlight to inspect temporary gutters

04:21 <CoderForLife> aside from some small leaks, they are working

04:21 <CoderForLife> one small victory in my struggle against the elemental forces of Earth and Water

04:21 <efc> You in NC ?

04:21 <CoderForLife> Cincinnati, OH

04:21 <efc> Oh, didn't know Duke operated there

04:22 <CoderForLife> Duke bought Cinergy

04:22 <efc> Ah

04:22 <CoderForLife> Duke Power + Cinergy = Duke Energy

04:22 <efc> To serve you better

04:23 <CoderForLife> Public Service Indiana + Cincinnati Gas and Electric = Cinergy

04:24 <efc> AT&T bought bellsouth here, now my phone bill goes up every month

04:24 <CoderForLife> ah, progress

04:24 <efc> thinking about dumping the land line

04:25 <CoderForLife> I say that in the Londo Mollari (Babylon 5) sense of the word

04:25 <efc> I never really have gotten situated.. dunno if I should keep the job, change career, grad school etc

04:26 <efc> closing on 5 years now

04:29 <CoderForLife> welcome to life

04:29 <CoderForLife> or as Morpheus said "Welcome to the real world."

04:30 <efc> whats that pill i take to go back to sleep

04:30 <CoderForLife> blue

04:31 <CoderForLife> and go on believing whatever you want to believe

04:31 <efc> Turn on, tune in, drop out

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04:37 <sacarde> hi

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04:43 <sacarde> have you some suggest to run boinc in two system....

04:44 <sacarde> same pc, but two different system....

04:51 <CoderForLife> what do you mean by "same pc, but two different system"?

04:51 <sacarde> I have a pc, with dualboot

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06:21 <hawmps> 'lo

06:21 <CoderForLife> morning

06:28 <wdsmia> Yawn

06:29 <CoderForLife> got zapped and boomed out of bed this morning

06:33 <wdsmia> wife with a tazzer?

06:34 <CoderForLife> she's great at booming too

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06:48 <Romulus> WB, Boss

06:52 <hawmps> sheesh..

07:49 <quail> can people with laptops run this command for me please and tell me there output 'hdparm -I /dev/[hs]d[abcdefgh] | grep acoustic'

07:49 <quail> you'll need to run the command as root

07:52 <KathrynM> It won't do anything bad, will it?

07:52 <quail> nope

07:52 <KathrynM> just had to check :)

07:52 <KathrynM> c Recommended acoustic management value: 128, current value: 254

07:53 <quail> mine says the same and then i set it to 128

07:54 <KathrynM> what is it?

07:54 <Romulus> hmm... it is an OK movie, KathrynM

07:54 <KathrynM> shut up Romulus

07:54 <quail> lol

07:55 <quail> get/set acoustic management (0-254, 128: quiet, 254: fast)

07:55 <KathrynM> sure......

07:55 <KathrynM> :)

07:59 <CoderForLife> morning folks

08:01 <quail> g'evening CoderForLife

08:02 * CoderForLife sniffs the air

08:02 <CoderForLife> golly, did the day go by so quickly?

08:11 <hawmps> must be..

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08:29 <CoderForLife> off to the office

08:29 <CoderForLife> laterz

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09:08 <hawmps> ossec 1.5.1 out

09:19 * Tank_Master sends hordes of lemmings over CoderForLife

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09:30 <KathrynM> there's going to be separate makefiles for different distros?

09:30 <KathrynM> I thought a makefile was pretty generic (which probably shows how much I don't know)

09:31 <KathrynM> this is making my head hurt.  I'm going to bed.

09:56 <desti> hmm...have never seen different makefiles in any program

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10:02 <Scrounch> hi

10:03 <Scrounch> anyone here's ?

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10:39 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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11:10 <hawmps> ip kill >>

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12:33 <quail> damn I have been given another account on another server tonight

12:35 <Didactylos> Oh, no - BOINC-dev going off on the cross-project credit crock again.

12:37 <BB_Laptop> Mornin Quail

12:38 <BB_Laptop> Mornin

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12:46 <hawmps> 'lo BB, Q

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12:55 <quail> hey hawmps , BB

12:56 * quail wonders whether to get this server I have access to to boinc for me?

13:03 <hawmps> SLIGHT MODIFICATION...

13:03 <hawmps> oops..

13:03 <quail> &wx ypad

13:03 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 2:00 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Clear. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Clear. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Clear. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Overcast. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

13:03 <hawmps>

13:03 <hawmps> hmmm... chilly.

13:04 <quail> hawmps: lmao

13:05 <quail> hawmps: the pic I mean

13:06 <quail> hawmps: how have you been mate?

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13:17 <hawmps> good enough...

13:17 <quail> :-)

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13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> wb Tank_Master

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14:51 <Tank_Master> thx yoyo

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15:10 <yoyo[RKN]> hi Tank_Master

15:10 <Tank_Master> sup?

15:10 <yoyo[RKN]> how about a race of seti.usa at yoyo@home?

15:10 <Tank_Master> :P

15:10 <Tank_Master> you need more power?

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> :)

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> your team can catch seti.germany

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> and

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> ogr is now on the inish line, to be finished beginning of next year

15:12 <yoyo[RKN]> and

15:12 <Tank_Master> you closing up for a bit?

15:12 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo@home exists since one year in August

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16:08 <xcamel> gettin mighty sparky out...

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16:13 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

16:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: Error: Connection refused.

16:13 <wdsmia> &weather 50319

16:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 84.0F / 28.9C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny. High in the mid 80s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 60. Northeast wind around 10 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 80s. East wind 10 to 15 mph.;

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16:24 <xcamel> another very low entertainment value storm.

16:24 <wdsmia> Thats a good thing

16:26 <xcamel> naaah...

16:28 <xcamel> temp dropped nicely

16:30 <wdsmia> ISP Guy was just here

16:31 <xcamel> did you punch his lights out?

16:31 <wdsmia> wanted to

16:32 <wdsmia> still not fixed

16:33 <xcamel> my cable modem at work has been a real pest lately...

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16:36 <xcamel> efc?

16:36 <Romulus> Somebody said efc is now known as efc_afk.. all funking knowing, xcamel

16:36 <xcamel> guess not

16:36 <xcamel> looks like strikestar is down...

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16:39 <xcamel> er not

16:39 <wdsmia> lol

16:40 <DerMeister> <= nice box ^^

16:40 <Romulus> <> (at

16:50 <PovAddict> DerMeister: wtf, I just got that link from somewhere else and I was about to post it here :)

16:56 <DerMeister> hehe

16:56 <DerMeister> I saw it on another blog, too

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17:34 <xcamel> big cool down...

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18:30 <xcamel> I think this is an oldie but...

18:30 <xcamel>

18:30 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 July 21 - The Colliding Spiral Galaxies of Arp 271 (at

18:44 <Soul_keeper> ok

18:55 <xcamel> 'lo SK

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19:16 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:16 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 67.3F / 19.6C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers likely with chance of thunderstorms this evening...then chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail (2 more messages)

19:16 <xcamel> &more

19:16 <Romulus> xcamel: this evening. Lows in the mid 60s. South winds up to 5 mph this evening becoming light. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Wednesday - Patchy fog in the morning. Rain likely with chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then rain and chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Rain may be heavy at times. Humid with highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds up to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Wednesday Night (1 more message)

19:16 <xcamel> &more

19:16 <Romulus> xcamel: - Rain and chance of thunderstorms. Rain may be heavy at times. Humid with lows in the mid 60s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

19:16 <xcamel> hmmm... a soft sell.

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19:19 <xcamel> foecast is for 1 to 4" of rain tomorrow.

19:19 <xcamel> wow - full split

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19:55 <xcamel> geeez, Nic.. finally coming around to my side of the credit/benchmark 'argument' ???

19:58 <PovAddict> I have a massive email half-written

19:58 <PovAddict> and I don't know what "your side" is

20:01 <xcamel> 'my side' is that the current benchmark/credit system is entirely bullsh1t

20:01 <PovAddict> well duh, who doesn't agree with that:)

20:02 <PovAddict> of course the current system sucks; the question is what to replace it with :)

20:02 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:02 <xcamel> credit should be the amount of work done divided by the ability to do work.

20:02 * Tank_Master slaps wdsmia around with Windows Me

20:02 <PovAddict> my side is: no cross-project credits

20:02 <xcamel> cpc is bloody stupid too.

20:03 <PovAddict> let each project grant what it feels like granting; it won't matter because *no statistic site should ever show such thing as "sum of your credits of all projects"*

20:04 <PovAddict> without such a total, cross-project parity isn't important anymore, people have no incentive to constantly look for "high-paying projects"

20:04 <xcamel> the original 'berkeleystoned' benchmark was a fallacy anyway.

20:05 <PovAddict> the place where cpc breaks the most: giving fair (= more) credits to people using optimized applications

20:06 <xcamel> there is no "fair" credit. another fallacy.

20:06 <PovAddict> giving higher credits to people doing more actual work *and* keeping all projects giving the same credits/hour are conflicting goals; there is no way to do both

20:06 <PovAddict> if you get an optimized app that computes twice as fast, isn't it fair to get twice the credits?

20:06 <xcamel> there is onky the credit a project wished to grant based on it's own parameters.

20:07 <PovAddict> it should be; at least so people are encouraged to use optimized apps, and the whole project get things done faster

20:08 <xcamel> that (in your example) is exactly fair, and what I have been getting abused about for years.

20:08 <PovAddict> yep, that's what I mean

20:09 <xcamel> more HP, better app, more work done, better science, happier users, happier project admins.

20:09 <PovAddict> credits based on benchmarks don't go well with optimized apps

20:09 <PovAddict> but projects with highly-varying runtimes can't use fixed credits while keeping proper cross-project parity

20:09 <wdsmia> Oh God were back on this again

20:09 <xcamel> they can't bring themselves to admit exactly why the original seti was sooooo popular

20:09 <PovAddict> remove benchmark-based credits, and remove cpc, and that paradox disappears

20:09 <PovAddict> LOL wdsmia

20:10 <xcamel> one WU == one credit

20:10 <PovAddict> xcamel: not necessarily, but yes that's the general idea

20:10 <xcamel> or 5 or 50 or 5,000,000 - it wouldn't matter.

20:10 <PovAddict> for example, prime-searching projects could give one WU = one credit; WU found a prime = 100 *extra* credits

20:11 <PovAddict> without having to worry about the CPC crap

20:11 <xcamel> damn... you were listening to me back then...

20:11 <PovAddict> dinner ->

20:11 <xcamel> I called it a capitalist system, instead of the current socialist one.

20:12 * PovAddict clicks Send before going; if something is wrong in the email, too bad :)

20:12 <Tank_Master> heh

20:12 <Tank_Master> damnt the typos and full send ahead!

20:13 <xcamel> qwerty ergo typo

20:15 * KathrynM checks her email to see PovAddict's email to the list

20:15 <xcamel> a quick scan indicates it was a good email...

20:16 <KathrynM> and for the record, I just rolled my eyes at JM7's first email

20:16 <xcamel> I just love it when somebody "gets it"

20:16 <KathrynM> :)

20:16 <xcamel> almost an epiphany

20:18 <xcamel> the fallacy is that the harder they try to make "all things equal" the more they succeed in making everyone equally miserable...

20:18 <xcamel> it really takes all the incentive out of doing boinc related projects.

20:18 <KathrynM> pretty much sums it up

20:18 <KathrynM> I've gotten very burned out on BOINC.

20:19 <KathrynM> or maybe just the politics of it

20:23 <xcamel> that too... people so want to do the right and cool stuff for it, but get shot down and abused when suggesting much needed changes..

20:23 * xcamel started with boinc/astropulse - version 0.9

20:25 <xcamel> and my 'boinc' alpha/beta email folder contains 8,731 emails.

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20:39 <PovAddict> xcamel: if you have concrete suggestions about the client & manager...

20:39 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at

20:39 <PovAddict> I still have two messages unread from Paul Buck in that thread

20:40 <PovAddict> oh and... Mikus's message...

20:40 * PovAddict lookst at KathrynM

20:40 <PovAddict> looks*

20:41 <MTughan> I've just sort of been skimming over it for the most part.

20:43 <xcamel> Frankly Nic, I have been making suggestions for 7 years now, and the general attitude is "if you can't code it...shut up"

20:44 <PovAddict> xcamel: that's the difference, no official BOINC dev is in synecdoche

20:45 <PovAddict> just Didactylos, MTughan, me, and whoever wants to join; none being paid to write BOINC academic papers

20:46 * MTughan is currently trying to get a microphone working.

20:46 <xcamel> I'll jeep an eye on it..

20:47 <PovAddict> I've been working on technicalities

20:48 <Soul_keeper> 6.3.5  works good

20:48 <PovAddict> Didactylos has been working on the UI (local "advanced preferences" dialog completely re-done, for example), and MTughan well... so far only in making it compile at all on Mac :)

20:48 <MTughan> Not as easy as it might seem.

20:48 <PovAddict> nobody said it was :)

20:49 <xcamel> wonder where Don was tonight...

20:53 <CoderForLife> I'm here

20:53 <CoderForLife> I was at a meeting of the homeowner's association, discussing purchase of a property for sale for conversion into a community center

20:54 <Soul_keeper> how many quads would that set you back ?

20:54 <CoderForLife> house on 5 acres with pond into community building, olympic size pool, tennis and walking trails

20:55 <CoderForLife> how many quads can you buy for $1000 per year HOA dues?

20:55 <Soul_keeper> maybe 2 ...

20:55 <CoderForLife> and there you have your answer

20:55 <Soul_keeper> well 2 full systems, or 3 cpu's

20:55 <PovAddict> 1000 per year? for how many years?

20:55 <bryanUC> CoderForLife: 1000/yr additional?

20:55 <CoderForLife> forever

20:55 <CoderForLife> taht would be total

20:55 <CoderForLife> er that

20:56 <CoderForLife> an instant $435 increase

20:56 <CoderForLife> current $375

20:56 <bryanUC> ah

20:56 <PovAddict> forever? how is it "buying" then?

20:56 <bryanUC> we pay 1560/yr

20:56 <bryanUC> although it's townhouses

20:56 <CoderForLife> 285 homes

20:57 <xcamel> beware HOA's with real money...

20:57 <CoderForLife>

20:57 <Romulus> Title: Miami Trails Homeowners Association - Welcome to Miami Trails (at

20:57 <CoderForLife> see Commons Proposal

20:58 <CoderForLife> the HOA has $70,000 for capital improvements

20:59 <CoderForLife> we have 2 sepaate pools today - the Commons would be in lieu of pool upgrades

20:59 <CoderForLife> separate, too

21:00 <CoderForLife> purchasing that house/property is a dead issue

21:00 <xcamel> really not my bag of green tea

21:00 <CoderForLife> not voted down yet, but fairly shouted down

21:00 <bryanUC> interesting

21:00 <CoderForLife> it's tucked back off the road, in the woods, on a single lane driveway, at one end of the development

21:01 <CoderForLife> hardly the pedigree of a community center

21:01 <xcamel> lol

21:01 <bryanUC> we only have 34 units, so our association is fairly peaceful

21:01 <CoderForLife> as I said, dead issue

21:01 <bryanUC> my worry is I'm serving a 'life' term....we've had two members re-elected b/c no one else wants to do it :)

21:02 <CoderForLife> as it turns out, the owner of a 40 acre farm right behind Pool #2 passed away last week

21:02 <CoderForLife> his heir wants a proposal on the HOA buying a couple of acres

21:02 <xcamel> hoa's have been known to be rife with fraud and missing/wasted money.

21:02 <CoderForLife> Pool #2 is more centrally located

21:03 <bryanUC> our problem is we're a sub-association

21:03 <CoderForLife> a more palatable idea, but still probably too expensive

21:03 <bryanUC> there's a 'master association', but there's no physical people

21:03 <bryanUC> yeah, what do your HOA dues get you?

21:04 <bryanUC> we get insurance on the structure, maintenance free grass/streets/sidewalks/exteriors of the townhouses, clubhouse/pool

21:04 <xcamel> bragging rights at the office...

21:04 <bryanUC> heh

21:04 <CoderForLife> commons maintenance, covenants and restrictions enforcement, some ofr y neighbors to beat up on when I start my wall construction

21:04 <bryanUC> lol

21:04 <CoderForLife> someone ofr my*

21:04 <CoderForLife> ack

21:04 <CoderForLife> someone for my*

21:04 <CoderForLife> I have HOA approval on my retaining wall

21:05 <CoderForLife> and they said they will manage the ire of the neighbors

21:06 <CoderForLife> the president of the HOA mentioned in the meeting that we have backyards in the neighborhood falling away

21:07 <CoderForLife> the former owners of his house had to put up retaining walls, too

21:07 <CoderForLife> brb  need beverage

21:07 <CoderForLife> &monologue

21:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.

21:08 <xcamel> CFL needs to buy massive amounts of beverage for neighbors..

21:09 <bryanUC> hmm, they'll complain if you put up the wall, they'll complain if your backyard falls into their yard....I think CFL just needs new neighbors :)

21:14 <xcamel> I'm waiting for the next "biblical flood" to remove all of CFL's neighbors..

21:14 <xcamel> Noah....

21:15 <xcamel> I want to you build a wall....

21:15 <PovAddict> lol

21:16 <CoderForLife> ding

21:16 <CoderForLife> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

21:16 <xcamel> what's a cubit?

21:18 <CoderForLife> a smaller sized office space allocation

21:18 <xcamel> an individual unit of a gopher colony

21:19 <CoderForLife> a 3-D Cheez-It

21:20 <xcamel> that's a ritzbit.

21:20 <CoderForLife> a ritzbit is an upscale cubit

21:22 <PovAddict> so calloc() allocated office space (cubicles)? I thought it allocated cleared memory

21:22 <CoderForLife> that's called "hiring"

21:22 <xcamel> pov - why does eric work so hard on a fools errand?

21:23 <PovAddict> Eric Myers?

21:23 <PovAddict> or Korpela?

21:23 <xcamel> korpela

21:23 <PovAddict> he works for SETI

21:23 <PovAddict> he cares about SETI, I dunno if he cares about the rest of the world

21:24 <xcamel> p.s. ... it was a rhetorical question.

21:24 <PovAddict> just like DA tries to do the best for BOINC

21:25 <PovAddict> (BOINC as a funded academic project, not as a platform, or as software, or as a community, or...)

21:25 <xcamel> as long as it keeps seti in the credit lead..

21:28 * CoderForLife adds "beverage" to his wall contingency budget

21:29 <CoderForLife> somehow the words "wall" and "budget" don't seem to go together

21:30 <xcamel> my car salesman must have had the day off today...

21:30 <CoderForLife> he didn't continue his pre-sales "support"?

21:31 <CoderForLife> we had a heck of a set of t-storms this morning at 2am

21:32 <CoderForLife> my temp gutter piping held up under the gushing water

21:32 <CoderForLife> yay!

21:32 <CoderForLife> *something* worked....

21:32 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

21:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 76.1F / 24.5C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this evening...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. Northwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; (1 more message)

21:33 <CoderForLife> &more

21:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

21:33 <CoderForLife> I'm in Hartford CT next Tuesday and Wednesday

21:34 <CoderForLife> Stephen is in Chelmsford MA this week

21:34 <CoderForLife> &monologue

21:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Your current monologue is at least 10 lines long.

21:34 <CoderForLife> that's my limit

21:35 <CoderForLife> oops

21:35 <CoderForLife> OK having reached my drink limit, I'm off to z-land

21:36 <CoderForLife> gn boinc peeps

21:36 <PovAddict> gn

21:41 <xcamel> laterz..

21:41 <Soul_keeper> what do you think the IRS will do if i don't pay them ?

21:41 <xcamel> what they always do...

21:46 <zombie67> MTughan?

21:46 <Romulus> Somebody said MTughan is getting GCC errors, so that is an indication that it uses GCC. Just have to tweak stuff now, zombie67

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21:47 <zombie67> &seen MTughan

21:47 <Romulus> zombie67: MTughan was last seen in #boinc 58 minutes and 55 seconds ago: <MTughan> Not as easy as it might seem.

21:47 <PovAddict> he just sent to sleep

21:47 <PovAddict> went*

21:47 <zombie67> ah.

21:47 <zombie67> ok. thanks.

21:50 <MTughan> Not yet, gotta print something out first. But I'm falling asleep as it is.

21:50 <zombie67> hi!

21:50 <xcamel> still trying to figure out this massive dose of humidity/storms/rain for tomorrow...

21:50 <zombie67> genlife needs help building PPC app

21:51 <zombie67> do you know sTrey from BOINCstats?

21:51 <zombie67> er, BOINC Synergy

21:51 <MTughan> I recognize the name, yes.

21:51 <xcamel> Mike must have some storms rolling in...

21:51 <zombie67> he/she successfully built intel version

21:51 <MTughan> If you can get the source and send it to me, or get the source sent to me, I'll compile it.

21:51 <MTughan> xcamel: Correct. Lightning and thunder.

21:51 <zombie67> okay, what address?

21:52 <MTughan>

21:53 <zombie67> but he/she had a problem building the PPC version on an intel machine

21:53 <zombie67> okay!  Thanks!!

21:53 <xcamel> laterz kidz..

21:53 <zombie67> gn

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22:02 <Soul_keeper> IRS wants over 1600 bucks

22:02 <Soul_keeper> i guess the more you work the more they want

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