IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-07-28

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00:11 <Jester45> does anyone know how to find my account key? i have boinc working on 1 of my machines but the other doesnt work

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00:52 <nickuwo> ?

00:52 <nickuwo> hes long gone...

00:53 <nickuwo> spose its bedtime...

00:53 <nickuwo> laterz

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02:00 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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02:01 <CoderForLife> &more

02:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 5 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 60s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.;

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03:45 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

03:45 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 92°F / 34°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM KST; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:77 F. / 25 C.;

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04:58 <CoderForLife> plink 218.97.254.203

04:58 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

05:09 <KathrynM> morning CoderForLife

05:11 <CoderForLife> =)

05:25 <CoderForLife> dag nabbit = time to get ready for w@#%

05:26 <CoderForLife> bb on my way out

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06:12 <CoderForLife> on the rims and out the door

06:12 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:14 <KathrynM> have a nice day

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06:51 <hawmps> ip/domain kills >> mail.chonburi.th.com, 218.153.108.235, ns1.cbkn.net

06:53 <hawmps> 'mornin

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08:12 <MTughan> Anyone know where you can get a Mini-ATX power supply?

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08:33 <hawmps> SSi or not?

08:33 <MTughan> Huh?

08:34 <MTughan> And now my power connector for my laptop went dead for the third time...

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09:20 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: my iPod ran out of battery last night

09:21 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: yes I do have a job (at it right now)

09:22 <Soul_keeper> i gotta go to my job RIGHT NOW    ttyl

09:22 <PovAdct_w> lol

09:24 <PovAdct_w> also, it seems the same happens with any software project I work on... I think it's easy, (if rewriting someone else's code) I think I can do better, I think I'll write good-quality code, I think I can do it quickly...

09:24 <PovAdct_w> but that's just what I think... in the end, I do write good-quality code, I do begin doing better than the original, but it turns harder than I initially thought, I take way too much time, then lose interest and go after a different shiny ball

09:24 <PovAdct_w> so it's like every month I collect another unfinished project

09:50 <CoderForLife> thx for the "View to the IP Kills", hawmps

09:57 <hawmps> np

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10:29 <KathrynM> anyone here on Fedora 9?

10:29 <dizzie> Hello all :)

10:29 <KathrynM> hiya dizz

10:30 <KathrynM> figured out what my computer problem was

10:30 <dizzie> Yes?

10:30 <Romulus> hmm... Yes is enable, dizzie

10:30 * dizzie kicks Romulus

10:30 <KathrynM> somehow it thought it was part of kdn.ktguide.com

10:30 <KathrynM> I think a hal update borked things.

10:30 <KathrynM> working now tho

10:30 <dizzie> Thats nice

10:31 <KathrynM> yeah, I thought I had either gotten infected with someting or f-ed something up myself

10:31 <dizzie> I ditched Gnome, running Openbox, memusage atm is less than 50MB

10:31 <KathrynM> nice

10:31 <dizzie> Hal is somewhat evil

10:31 <KathrynM> lol

10:31 <KathrynM> thinking of upgrading the box to F9 tho

10:32 <KathrynM> (doesn't every one spend their vacation screwing with their computers, lol)

10:32 <dizzie> Ever concidered giving Free/Open/Net- BSD a try?

10:32 <KathrynM> nope

10:32 <KathrynM> I'm having trouble enough with Linux :)

10:33 <dizzie> Well no, i spend my vacation building a FreeNAS server and my router was dead so i had to replace it. Nice vacation though :)

10:33 <KathrynM> :)

10:33 <dizzie> Well, somewhat FreeBSD is easier.

10:33 <dizzie> Not a zillion configfiles, /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf :)

10:34 <dizzie> Kernel is one txt file :)

10:34 <KathrynM> ugh, don't remind me, I have to fool with grub

10:34 <dizzie> I dare you :) Go on try

10:34 <KathrynM> lol

10:34 <dizzie> Grub is slow :)

10:34 <KathrynM> grub drives me nuts

10:35 <dizzie> Join the club?

10:35 <dizzie> :P

10:35 <KathrynM> I don't get it.  A fedora install trashes other linuxes in grub, but leaves Windows alone.  Kubuntu doesn't.

10:35 <KathrynM> I know how to fix it, I've not sat down to do it tho.

10:36 <KathrynM> It's not like I use Kubuntu all that much.

10:36 <dizzie> Can you use the F9 CD/DVD as a "rescue"/"live" CD?

10:36 <dizzie> Then.... grub-install (hdx)

10:36 <KathrynM> lol, yea, I did when I managed to render my system unbootable.

10:38 <dizzie> Reminds me of when i did a cvsup, no kernel was downloaded, so guess what :p

10:38 <KathrynM> uh oh

10:38 <KathrynM> no kernel is bad

10:38 <dizzie> I did a cd boot, jail, mount, compile+copy, etc :)

10:38 <dizzie> Was fun hehe

10:39 <dizzie> I learned my lesson, so i got a mini FreeBSD install on a usb stick :)

10:40 <KathrynM> :)

10:40 <KathrynM> yeah, twice now I've managed to make my system unbootable.  both times it was stupid stuff

10:40 <KathrynM> but hey, I learned from it.  which I guess is important.

10:41 <PovAdct_w> back in Windows 98, I once made the system unbootable too...

10:41 <PovAdct_w> broke it in a way that wouldn't boot on next reboot, and didn't notice

10:41 <PovAdct_w> then my dad was using it, something hanged (bluescreen I guess, as was common on Win98), he rebooted... didn't boot

10:42 <KathrynM> uh oh

10:42 <dizzie> Uhh black screen, i hate those

10:43 <PovAdct_w> and it was for doing something stupid :P

10:43 <KathrynM> I'm in good company then ;)

10:43 <dizzie> I bricked my macmini this weekend

10:43 <dizzie> Anyone want a $500 brick ?

10:43 <PovAdct_w> I'll buy that for a dollar

10:44 <dizzie> sure, you pay P&P then :p

10:44 <PovAdct_w> I ran an app under DOS mode (Windows backs up autoexec.bat, modifies it to run the app instead of booting Windows, then reboots)

10:45 <dizzie> Not to mention the nice instantreboots when a program barfs and dies

10:45 <PovAdct_w> while Windows was starting to reboot, I changed my mind about a command line switch, so I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del and killed the app that makes Windows reboot

10:45 <dizzie> No BSOD or anything

10:45 <PovAdct_w> changed the switch, and ran it again

10:45 <PovAdct_w> bad idea

10:45 <dizzie> A bit :)

10:46 <PovAdct_w> on first try, Windows moved autoexec.bat to autoexec.bak (backup), and modified autoexec.bat to run the app, restore backup, and reboot; but I killed it before it rebooted

10:47 <PovAdct_w> on second try, Windows moved the already-modified autoexec.bat to autoexec.bak (overwriting the real backup!)

10:48 <dizzie> Oops :p

10:48 <dizzie> Bit like mv * /dev/null :)

10:48 <KathrynM> eek

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10:51 <dizzie> cvsup from cvs-all takes a while :)

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14:05 <hawmps> Bad day to have the AC out..

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15:51 <xcamel> 'lo

15:51 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

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15:53 <xcamel> Hi Mike

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17:13 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:13 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 73.7F / 23.2C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Scattered thunderstorms this evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds around 5 mph this evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Tuesday - Patchy fog in the (1 more message)

17:13 <xcamel> &more

17:13 <Romulus> xcamel: morning. Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 60. West winds up to 5 mph in the evening becoming light.;

17:14 <Jester45> when i first setup boinc i got 8 WU with 4 active. now i have 12, is this because boinc is learning that my computer is able to do more or is it just that it got 12

17:14 <MTughan> You have a quad-core?

17:15 <Jester45> 2 dual cores

17:15 <Jester45> 4 cores total

17:15 <MTughan> Yeah, BOINC's probably finding that it can do more work, or the project just didn't have much work when you first attached.

17:15 <Jester45> rosetta@home if that helps

17:16 <Jester45> it takes about 3 hours per wu

17:17 <MTughan> I don't crunch Rosetta, but I can check how many WUs are available.

17:18 <MTughan> Well, 15,000+ ready to send... Could just be BOINC was seeing how fast your computer was, although I imagine it would've grabbed more for 4 cores.

17:18 <Jester45> it mean it doesnt bother me to much i was just wondering why it was 8 and now 12

17:18 <PovAddict> maybe the estimate was wrong

17:19 <Jester45> i did just get it setup late last night/ early this morning

17:19 <PovAddict> once it finished a WU, it knows how much it really took vs how much the project said it would take; then it used that factor to correct for the rest

17:19 <PovAddict> OR

17:19 <PovAddict> now you got shorter WUs

17:20 <PovAddict> so it's more WUs but same number of hours total :)

17:22 <Jester45> also other than using a caching proxy if there a way to reduce network useage? in a month or so im going to be setting up a lot of machines to crunch... nighttime speed is noproblem but during the day its limited (i will set it to download only around 12:00)

17:22 <Jester45> i love having boinc info displayed via conky

17:22 <PovAddict> caching proxy is the way :)

17:23 <Jester45> or are most data diffrent other than the first downloads

17:23 <PovAddict> depends on the project

17:24 <PovAddict> but as a general rule: first time you attach it downloads the application (which may be big)

17:24 <Jester45> ill be setting up ~10 pentium 4s @2.4ghz about 512mb each that will run pretty much only boinc

17:24 <PovAddict> and maybe also some big files used for *all* workunits

17:24 <Jester45> maybe a few fast p3s or smp p3 systems

17:25 <Jester45> and add maybe 5 core duos

17:25 <Jester45> i wish i could cluster them all but... many will be windows based

17:26 <Jester45> they are computers at my school

17:31 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: 2008-07-28: BOINCstats - Network problems

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18:09 <CoderForLife> greetings

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18:11 <nickuwo> hey

18:15 <CoderForLife> hey there nickuwo

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18:16 <nickuwo> hows the coding going?

18:17 <PovAddict> you mean Coding

18:17 <CoderForLife> been doing PowerPoint slides over the last 3 days =P

18:17 <nickuwo> heh

18:17 <CoderForLife> no Coding, or even coding

18:18 <nickuwo> was the presentation about coding?

18:19 <CoderForLife> well, in a way, yes

18:19 <nickuwo> i c

18:20 <CoderForLife> I'm flying to Hartford CT tomorrow for 2 days of meetings on the strategix plans for our core systems

18:22 <nickuwo> Connecticut eh?

18:23 <CoderForLife> yup

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18:25 <CoderForLife> bbiab

18:26 <xcamel> 'lo Don

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18:31 <nickuwo> gaawd vmware is slow

18:32 <xcamel> lol

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18:38 <CoderForLife> hello Jay =)

18:39 * CoderForLife gets up close and personal with a bowl of double chocolate chip ice cream

18:40 <CoderForLife> my reward for finishing the slides =)

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18:44 <CoderForLife> strategix = strategic

18:45 <CoderForLife> as in "strategery"

19:03 <xcamel> waiting for some iced coffee...

19:14 <xcamel> &ping

19:14 <Romulus> pong

19:14 * KathrynM thinks CoderForLife for send that icecream here

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19:58 <nickuwo> so if I edit the server-side C file like assimilator.C, then do ./configure and make, it should build my assimilator, correct?

19:58 <PovAddict> you don't touch assimilator.C

19:58 <nickuwo> no?

19:58 <Romulus> no is I supposed to, nickuwo

19:59 <PovAddict> to make an assimilator, you write a whole new file (maybe based on sample_assimilator.C) and compile it along with assimilator.C

19:59 <nickuwo> "compile it along with"?

19:59 <PovAddict> compile one, compile the other, link them together

19:59 <PovAddict> or just pass both filenames to g++ to do it in one step

20:00 <nickuwo> hmm

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20:09 <KathrynM> PovAddict, ping

20:10 <PovAddict> pong

20:10 <KathrynM> you've built the manager?

20:10 <PovAddict> synecdoche one; I'm not sure if I tried official BOINC one but should work just as well

20:10 <KathrynM> what do I need in terms of wxwidgets?

20:11 <PovAddict> any idea if you have anything already?

20:11 <KathrynM> no idea

20:11 <PovAddict> type "wx-config" on console

20:11 <PovAddict> usage info -> you have it; command not found -> you don't

20:11 <xcamel> wxw v 2.6, IIRC

20:11 <KathrynM> don't got it

20:11 <KathrynM> (yes, I am an English teacher :/)

20:12 <KathrynM> I don't have it.

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20:20 <KathrynM> You know you're addicted to technology when you use IM to talk to your neighbor...

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20:24 <Soul_keeper> i use irc logs to fill out my timecard for work ...

20:24 <Soul_keeper> whatever time i'm not here, then i'm at work

20:27 <KathrynM> lol

20:32 <CoderForLife> sorry KathrynM = ice cream all gone

20:32 * KathrynM pouts

20:33 <PovAddict> ICE CREAM?

20:33 <PovAddict> where

20:33 <KathrynM> lol

20:33 <KathrynM> hmph.  CoderForLife ate it all

20:34 <CoderForLife> bwaa haa ha

20:34 <CoderForLife> it was my reward for finishing the slides

20:35 <CoderForLife> I had to have some incentive for all that w@#%

20:35 <KathrynM> hey.  that's great

20:35 <KathrynM> PovAddict, so what do I need to install to get wxwidgets?

20:35 <CoderForLife> the corporate jet takes off at 7:30am

20:35 <PovAddict> name should be wxwidgets-dev or so

20:36 <xcamel> http://www.wxwidgets.org/

20:36 <Romulus> Title: wxWidgets (at www.wxwidgets.org)

20:36 <KathrynM> I see a lot of wxGTK stuff in yum

20:36 <PovAddict> xcamel: can get from yum instead

20:36 <xcamel> www.wxwidgets.org/downloads/

20:36 <KathrynM> but nothing specifically wxwidgets

20:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab - got to pack my toothbrush and a change of undies for my one night trip

20:37 <xcamel> I had to install it from source

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20:37 * Soul_keeper always installs it from source

20:37 <Soul_keeper> infact you can just compile it in it's dir, and tell boinc where it is during a boinc compile

20:37 <xcamel> yup

20:39 <PovAddict> then you need gtk-dev

20:39 <PovAddict> or compile gtk from source too, and gtk dependencies, and...

20:39 <KathrynM> wxGTK-devel.i386 ?]

20:39 <PovAddict> probably

20:39 * KathrynM will try

20:39 <xcamel> that would have most of it...

20:40 <xcamel> wxGTK-gl-2.8.7-2.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxPython-devel-2.8.7.1-4.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxGlade-0.6.1-1.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxBase-2.8.7-2.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxGTK-devel-2.8.7-2.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxGTK-2.8.7-2.fc7

20:40 <xcamel> wxPython-2.8.7.1-4.fc7

20:40 <Soul_keeper> wxBase-2.8.7-2.fc7   that's what she needs

20:40 <Soul_keeper> shouldn't need the rest

20:41 <PovAddict> the -devel is what she needs to compile BOINC from source

20:41 <PovAddict> which probably has wxGTK as a dependency, and wxGTK probably has wxBase as a dependency

20:41 <Soul_keeper> ok so she's compiling from source ?

20:41 <KathrynM> yes

20:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah i dunno what they put in fedora packages ...

20:43 <PovAddict> compiling BOINC from source, not wxwidgets

20:44 <Soul_keeper> ic

20:44 <KathrynM> is there dev stuff for open ssl?

20:44 <KathrynM> I couldn't find it yesterday

20:44 <KathrynM> got the libcurl dev stuff

20:45 <PovAddict> there should be

20:46 <KathrynM> openssl.i686 : The OpenSSL toolkit ?

20:46 <KathrynM> if so, it's already installed

20:46 <PovAddict> no dev? hmm

20:46 <KathrynM> never mind

20:46 <PovAddict> well, did you try BOINC configure script?

20:46 <KathrynM> i'm obviously blink

20:46 <KathrynM> blind even

20:47 <Soul_keeper> run  ./_autosetup  first

20:47 <Soul_keeper> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Compiling_the_core_client

20:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6kfqdq> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:47 <KathrynM> there was a dev package, I just didn't see it

20:47 <KathrynM> I have to do a svn checkout first

20:55 <PovAddict> have phun

20:56 <KathrynM> yeah, I can probably take a nap while it all downloads

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21:07 <nickuwo> hmm g++ is saying MYSQL_ROW has not been declared...

21:07 <nickuwo> I think I forgot to include some dir

21:09 * Soul_keeper installs stuff while he naps sometimes :)

21:09 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

21:09 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 76.0F / 24.4C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...becoming mostly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 58 to 65. Light winds.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 74 to 79 in the (1 more message)

21:09 <Soul_keeper> nap == regular sleep

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21:40 <nickuwo> undefined reference to `DB_APP::DB_APP(DB_CONN*)'

21:40 <nickuwo> dammit

21:40 <PovAddict> add libsched.a to the command

21:40 <nickuwo> with -L or -l

21:41 <nickuwo> or like g++ ramsey.cpp libsched.a -L etc

21:42 <PovAddict> try it and see

21:44 <nickuwo> nice

21:44 <nickuwo> thx

21:44 <nickuwo> what did I just do? did I link it or something?

21:49 <PovAddict> I just printed from a Mac to a printer connected to this Linux machine

21:50 <PovAddict> using Windows printing protocol (samba running here)

21:51 <Jester45> why not use ipp

21:51 <PovAddict> because I need to print from Windows too

21:51 <xcamel> or cups

21:51 <Jester45> windows can print to ipp

21:51 <PovAddict> xcamel: cups uses ipp

21:52 <xcamel> bingo.

21:52 <Jester45> you give it a url like 192.168.0.254:233/printers/printer_name

21:56 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:39 <Soul_keeper> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=1349

22:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6qxrfw> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

22:58 <Soul_keeper> that was a close race

22:58 <Soul_keeper> they had over 10 times as many team members

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