IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-07-29

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00:55 <Soul_keeper> http://lwn.net/Articles/291536/

00:55 <Romulus> Title: The open source jobs boom (InfoWorld) [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)

00:57 <efc> Yeah, good luck with that..

01:08 <Soul_keeper> with what ?

01:09 <efc> Getting a job writing open source

01:09 <efc> Now, you can get a job using it pretty easy

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02:55 <efc3> i'm trying to get the floor cleared off so they can clean the carpet tommorrow.. sheesh

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03:07 <quail> afternoon all

03:09 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:09 <efc3> moo

03:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 69.9F / 21.1C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.52in / 999.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Clear. Patchy fog. Lows in the mid 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming light southeast winds.; Tuesday - Patchy fog in the morning. Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph...becoming light (1 more message)

03:09 <quail> &wx ypad

03:09 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Overcast. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Overcast. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.;

03:09 <CoderForLife> &more

03:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: southwest winds in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Muggy. Lows around 70. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

03:10 <CoderForLife> &wx Hartford, CT

03:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 66.2F / 19.0C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Isolated showers this evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tuesday - Sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the upper 80s. (1 more message)

03:10 <CoderForLife> &more

03:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south after midnight.;

03:10 <quail> efc3 and CoderForLife howdy, how are you both?

03:10 <CoderForLife> I'm awake - should be asleep

03:11 <quail> oh :-/

03:12 <CoderForLife> back to bed, before geeting up for business trip

03:12 <CoderForLife> laterz

03:12 <quail> CoderForLife: take it easy

03:12 <CoderForLife> thx

03:13 <quail> CoderForLife: and have a safe business trip

03:18 <efc3> Doin ok, trying to clean this place up

03:21 <efc3> i put off getting the carpets cleaned for 11 months

03:24 * quail just rebuilding my mini itx system atm

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03:45 <efc3> I really hate cleaning

03:45 <efc3> too many papers to sort out

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04:56 * CoderForLife eats some breakfast

05:00 * KathrynM watches the sky get nasty looking

05:01 * CoderForLife likes his situation better

05:01 <KathrynM> I'm waiting for my hamburger patties to thaw so I can make dinner

05:01 <CoderForLife> ever been to Hartford CT?

05:01 <KathrynM> nope

05:02 <CoderForLife> this will be something like my 5th trip

05:02 <KathrynM> too bad it's for w*@&

05:02 <CoderForLife> wouldn't matter much, either way =)

05:02 <KathrynM> lol

05:14 <CoderForLife> I'll tell all the Connecticutonians you said hi

05:15 <KathrynM> awwww thanks

05:15 <CoderForLife> np

05:18 <CoderForLife> I get to increase my carbon footprint today

05:19 <CoderForLife> but taking the corporate jet is the only way to go

05:20 <KathrynM> wat?  no crammed in coach?

05:20 <CoderForLife> well.. it's a smaller jet... =)

05:21 <KathrynM> :)

05:21 * KathrynM goes to check on her hamburgers

05:21 <CoderForLife> the bigger one can't go into the closer airport

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05:29 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - bbiab

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06:40 <quail> &wx ypad

06:40 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

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06:43 <Romulus> WB, Boss

06:45 <hawmps> 'lo

06:51 <quail> g'evening hawmps

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08:27 <hawmps> 'lo Q

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08:52 <DamienCassou> hi

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08:54 <DamienCassou> I'm using the Linux client of boinc. In the statistics tab, I can only see last month stat. Is it possible to see the complete stats?

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08:55 <KathrynM> you can control that through cc_config.xml

08:55 <KathrynM> let me get you the link

08:55 <DamienCassou> KathrynM: thank you

08:56 <KathrynM> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientMessages

08:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5v43ep> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

08:56 <DamienCassou> I'm having a look, thank you

08:56 <KathrynM> no problem

09:00 <DamienCassou> KathrynM: it sees it won't be possible to see my old stats. The parameter only control new stats.

09:01 <DamienCassou> KathrynM: but it still ok for the future

09:01 <KathrynM> yeah, once they've scrolled off the screen their gone

09:01 <KathrynM> *they're

09:01 <DamienCassou> ok

09:01 <KathrynM> (yes, I do teach English, sigh)(

09:02 <KathrynM> you can look at one of the third party stats sites to see older daily stats

09:02 <DamienCassou> KathrynM: :-)

09:02 <DamienCassou> KathrynM: can you tell me which ones?

09:02 <KathrynM> BOINC Stats is good

09:02 <KathrynM> http://boincstats.com/

09:02 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)

09:02 <ELGono> http://boincstats.com/

09:03 <ELGono> my favorite, too ;)

09:03 <KathrynM> :)

09:05 <DamienCassou> is there any way to access my personal stat without going through all the users?

09:05 <ELGono> jepp with the url

09:06 <ELGono> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=6649261048daf9fd2910c9d74439dc2e

09:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6e259m> (at boincstats.com)

09:06 <ELGono> just take your id instead

09:07 <ELGono> or use the search function

09:07 <DamienCassou> this is not very user-friendly :-)

09:08 <KathrynM> not much of boinc is user friendly

09:08 <KathrynM> (as I struggle with building it)

09:08 <ELGono> well you can store your id on that page with a cookie

09:09 <DamienCassou> ELGono: can't find the search function. Also, I only have a boinc map id, I don't know what to put in the parameter

09:09 <ELGono> upper left corner

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09:10 <DamienCassou> ELGono: ok thank you

09:11 <hawmps> re-hi

09:11 <ELGono> lo J

09:13 <DamienCassou> what does RAC means?

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09:14 <Didactylos> recent average credit.

09:14 <DamienCassou> ok

09:14 <DamienCassou> thank you

09:31 <PovAddict> huh? boincstats has a search function near the top of the page, not that hard to find

09:32 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I found it finally thanks to Elgono

09:32 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: however, I think it is not visible enough

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09:57 <ELGono> things you search for mostly seem to be invisible ;)

09:57 <ELGono> it's the nature of the

09:57 <ELGono> them

10:13 <ELGono> smells like thunderstorms coming here

10:14 <ELGono> freaking hot and humid

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10:51 <hawmps> been that way for a week here...

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11:03 <ELGono> relief is in sight ;)

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12:09 <quail> &wx ypad

12:09 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

12:09 <quail> ELGono: howdy, how are you?

12:16 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany

12:16 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 90°F / 32°C | Humidity: 22% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Chance of Rain. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 (1 more message)

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13:32 <Switchcat> okay I think my system is exiting with zero status but no finished file far too much.. I've tried resetting in the past.. and I've seen this behaviour among different boinc projects...

13:32 <Switchcat> suggestions?

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13:43 <ELGono> Switchcat : you running an overclocked system?

13:44 <Switchcat> elgono - not as far as I know. I'm running a self-put-together system with an old pIII I believe

13:53 <hawmps> &wx 12020

13:53 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 83.2F / 28.4C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. West winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds up to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the (1 more message)

13:54 <hawmps> &more

13:54 <Romulus> hawmps: mid 80s. Light winds becoming south around 5 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> re

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> has boinc 6.x something in with CPU affility

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16:28 <xcamel> 'lo

16:29 <xcamel> ip kill >> 219.151.6.106

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16:52 <wdsmia_w> bbiab

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16:56 <desti> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/atom-nano-review.ars

16:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/59f7uo> (at arstechnica.com)

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17:23 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:28 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 82.7F / 28.2C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with scattered thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Low in the upper 60s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 80s. (1 more message)

17:28 <wdsmia> &more

17:28 <Romulus> wdsmia: West wind around 5 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 60s. Southwest wind around 5 mph.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 4:24 AM CDT on July 31, 2008;

17:33 <xcamel> finally beat your ISP into submission?

17:36 <Darr> hi wd, hey Jay, how atr the llamas today?

17:36 <Darr> oops are

17:37 <xcamel> llamas are fine..

17:42 <quail> &wx ypad

17:42 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Clear. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Rain. Low:51 F. / 11 C.;

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18:42 <zombie67> playing around with 6.2.14....

18:42 <zombie67> being able to select multiple tasks is great!....well....half great.

18:43 <zombie67> you can select 20 tasks, select abort, but then you still have to click "OK" on the pop up *20 times*.

18:43 <zombie67> ugh

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18:48 <Didactylos> zombie67: that's a good point.

18:48 <PovAddict> Didactylos: synecdoche does the same?

18:48 <Didactylos> Presumably.

18:49 <Didactylos> Although Charlie rewrote that part.

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19:00 <PovAddict> "Quantum computing (today) doesn't even solve NP problems in P time, let alone non-computable problems :P"

19:01 <PovAddict> people really should stick to what they know... here's somebody saying we can't be sure of everything, maybe some day, with some advanced technology we don't even begin to imagine now, infinite data compression would be possible -.-

19:02 <Didactylos> But.... can't you just zip a zip file repeatedly until it's only one byte? No? .....

19:03 <PovAddict> hmm nope :P

19:03 <PovAddict> (although there are a few cases when zipping a zip actually compresses it more)

19:03 <Didactylos> Actually, using the OTP principle, infinite data compression is perfectly possible.

19:04 <PovAddict> (if you zip many megabytes of zeros, the zip file contains some headers and many bytes of zeros)

19:04 <Didactylos> You know what a one time pad is?

19:04 <PovAddict> yes; I just didn't figure it from "OTP"

19:05 <Didactylos> So, just as long as you don't mind a different decompression program for each file - that also happens to contain the original data......

19:06 <Didactylos> Isn't theory fun?

19:06 <PovAddict> some advanced software can do that

19:06 <Didactylos> ?

19:07 <PovAddict> if it's a .wav, uncompressed, store deltas between samples instead of the whole value of the sample; then compress that using a generic algorithm like zip

19:07 <PovAddict> if it's a .bmp, uncompressed, try RLE and other lossless filters aimed at images; then compress that using a generic algorithm like zip

19:07 <Didactylos> That's not what I meant.

19:08 <PovAddict> well it's still similar: there is extra information stored in the byte saying what filter to apply :)

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19:19 <nickuwo> Shor's algorithm factors primes superpolynomially faster than the fastest classical algorithm...

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19:22 <PovAddict> &ping

19:22 <PovAddict> my ISP kicked me off

19:22 <Romulus> pong

19:22 <PovAddict> modem log:

19:22 <PovAddict> Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request

19:22 <PovAddict> Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting...

19:23 <PovAddict> nickuwo: that's a different algorithm

19:23 <PovAddict> and I'm not sure if prime searching is inherently NP...

19:24 <nickuwo> i believe it is... although I could be mistaken

19:25 <nickuwo> not prime searching... prime factorization

19:32 <zombie67> sent off email to the alpha list

19:38 <nickuwo> good god it is hot

19:38 <nickuwo> &weather 54901

19:38 <Romulus> nickuwo: Temperature: 84.0F / 28.9C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 28.92in / 979.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Scattered thunderstorms during the evening. Some thunderstorms may produce large hail and damaging winds. Clearing late. Lows in the middle 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly (1 more message)

19:39 <nickuwo> I might have to go outside if it rains...

19:43 <xcamel> what if it rains inside?

19:44 <nickuwo> I won't know what to think

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19:52 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:54 <efc> Hey

19:55 <efc> I stacked up all my furniture for a carpet cleaning and.. they didn't show up

19:55 <PovAddict> lol

20:09 <xcamel> go figure...

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21:32 <Darr> good night all

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21:55 <xcamel> laterz..

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