IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-07-31

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03:01 <Tank_Master> is 10,685h a long time to be continiously streaming audio from the net?

03:10 <ELGono> it is ;)

03:10 <ELGono> more than a year

03:10 <ELGono> hope it was good music ;)

03:12 <Tank_Master> lol

03:13 <Tank_Master> internet radio

03:17 <ELGono> i mostly listen to

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03:21 <Tank_Master> I mostly listen to Tag's trip from SomaFM

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05:08 <CoderForLife> &more

05:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers. Highs around 90. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:14 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast

05:35 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@%

05:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:46 <xcamel> and all that...

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06:27 <lusule> hi there :)  i'm trying to get boinc working, and it's really not going well for me :(  i can't work out how to install the latest version, so i'm having to use the ancient version in the ubuntu repository, and having started that and signed up to the world community grid i get an error, but i can't figure out what it is and how to move on

06:28 <KathrynM> what's the error?

06:28 <KathrynM> if it's long

06:28 <lusule> is the error the red bits in 'messages'?

06:28 <KathrynM> yup

06:28 <KathrynM> and how ancient is ancient?

06:28 <lusule> then all it seems to complain about is that i don't have the newest version

06:28 <lusule> how do i find out what version i'm running?

06:29 <lusule> boinc manager says it's version 5.10.45

06:29 <KathrynM> it's old, but a new version was just released yesterday.

06:29 <KathrynM> so, it shouldn't give you problems.

06:30 <lusule> that's the only error i can see, but my amanger isn't going any further...

06:30 <KathrynM> the error might not be in red then

06:31 <lusule>

06:32 <KathrynM> swich over to the tasks tab.  is anything running?

06:32 <lusule> is that in advanced view?

06:32 <KathrynM> yes

06:32 <lusule> nothing running in tasks

06:32 <KathrynM> what is in tasks?

06:32 <lusule> there's a message there about an invalid account key...

06:33 <KathrynM> never mind, I see all it downloaded was a bunch of image files for the slide show

06:34 <KathrynM> Do you have an account with WCG?

06:34 <lusule> i do yes

06:34 <lusule> but i've not done anything with any account key

06:34 <KathrynM> account keys aren't used much anymore now that it's moved to a username/password system

06:34 <KathrynM> ping Didactylos

06:35 <KathrynM> If Didactylos is around, he's the one to ask about WCG stuff.

06:35 <lusule> ping Didactylos

06:35 <KathrynM> Can you attach to any other projects?

06:36 <lusule> hmm tbh i'm pretty new to all this, so not sure how

06:36 <KathrynM> In the advanced view there's a pull down menu called tools

06:36 <KathrynM> in there there's "attach to project"

06:38 <lusule> yeah, i joined seti-at home

06:38 <lusule> that seems to work

06:39 <lusule> so it would seem to be a problem with my world community grid settings

06:39 <KathrynM> then it's something strange with wcg

06:42 <lusule> now i'm getting some weird errors

06:42 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:42 <lusule> morning

06:42 <lusule> WCG has vanished from 'my projects'

06:43 <KathrynM> where lusule?

06:43 <KathrynM> hiya hawmps

06:43 <lusule> if i try to add a client, it says 'BOINC Manager is not currently connected to a BOINC client, please use 'advanced\select computer' menu option etc.

06:44 <KathrynM> in a terminal, do ps aux | grep boinc

06:44 <KathrynM> I'm wondering if the core client didn't crash

06:45 <lusule> you may be right, just boincmgr running

06:45 <lusule> how do i reset it?

06:46 <lusule> closing the manager down and restarting it doesn't help

06:46 <KathrynM> sorry, that I don't know.  I don't use Ubuntu.

06:46 <lusule> :(

06:46 <hawmps> ubunny works the same as any *nix

06:46 <hawmps> how was it installed?

06:47 <KathrynM> I don't have boinc installed from the repos here, so I have no idea how to start/stop it that way

06:47 <lusule> using the package manager

06:47 <KathrynM> I do /etc/init.d/boinc stop

06:47 <KathrynM> as root

06:47 <hawmps> ie: via the script, or all in one dir?

06:47 <lusule> hawmps - i couldn't work out how to make the script work

06:47 <KathrynM> he has it installed from the repos

06:47 <lusule> so i gave up and used the out-dated version in the repos

06:47 <hawmps> all in one dir then?

06:47 <lusule> she

06:47 <lusule> i have no idea

06:47 <lusule> whatever the repos tell it to do, that's what it di

06:47 <lusule> i'm new to linux too :(

06:48 <hawmps> were you upgrading from an old boinc?

06:48 <lusule> no, trying to install from scratch

06:48 <hawmps> oh no, not the rpm install...

06:48 <lusule> deb

06:48 <hawmps> same diff.

06:49 <KathrynM> many paths to the same goal hawmps

06:49 <lusule> i wanted the more up to date version but i couldn't work it out :(

06:49 <hawmps> using ubuntu, right?

06:49 <lusule> yes

06:49 <hawmps> OK that's an easy one

06:49 <KathrynM> lusule, you don't have any work on the machine right now, right?

06:49 <lusule> just some firefox windows and xchat and a few terms not doing much

06:49 <KathrynM> I meant boinc work, sorry

06:50 <lusule> no

06:50 <lusule> because i had to shut it down

06:50 <lusule> because it busted...

06:50 <hawmps> dl the following: to your home dir

06:50 <Romulus> <> (at

06:50 <KathrynM> I'd say uninstall the same way you installed

06:51 <hawmps> you are running an x desktop of some kind?

06:51 <lusule> gnome

06:51 <hawmps> good enough

06:51 <lusule> i have the .sh file

06:51 <hawmps> then open a console and cd /.. to that dir

06:51 <lusule> and i've uninstalled

06:52 <lusule> okay, i'm in ~/Downloads

06:52 <lusule> which is not the directory i want it installed in...

06:52 <hawmps> move it to the dir level above where you want it installed..

06:52 <hawmps> then sh

06:53 <hawmps> which creates a BOINC subdir

06:53 <lusule> okay

06:54 <lusule> now what?

06:54 <Romulus> Rumor has it now what is I doing before having to go for biology, lusule

06:54 <lusule> .. sorry?

06:55 <hawmps> then text edit 'run_manager' to reflect the correct running dir, and put a link to that on your desktop

06:55 <KathrynM> ignore Romulus, he's a stupid bot

06:55 <hawmps> basically the eau you would do it in windows...

06:55 <hawmps> eau == way

06:56 <lusule> i don't use desktop links... how do i start it from command line?

06:56 <lusule> because just typing 'run_manager' doesn't work...

06:57 <hawmps> make 'run_manager' executable

06:57 <hawmps> and ./run_manager

06:58 <lusule> sorry, newbie question... remind me how i do that?

06:58 <hawmps> chmod 'filename' +x

06:59 <hawmps> or right click in your filemanager on that file and select properties, and check executable or +x

06:59 <hawmps> brb

06:59 <lusule> it's still saying command not found :(

07:00 <KathrynM> are you in the right directory

07:01 <lusule> in in BOINC

07:05 <lusule> hmm if i try to run boincmgr directly, it says its not installed

07:07 <Didactylos> Somebody called?

07:07 * Didactylos scrolls back

07:07 <KathrynM> hiya Didactylos

07:07 <lusule> having trouble getting my boinc working :(

07:08 <lusule> trying to use WCG, kathryn said you were the guy to talk to

07:08 <lusule> and hi :)

07:08 <hawmps> are the permissions set (+x) and for your user?

07:09 <lusule> hawmps, i don't have a clue ><

07:09 <lusule> it's ticked as executable now

07:09 <Didactylos> I can solve your problems.

07:10 <lusule> Didactylos, i'd be very grateful if you could...

07:10 <lusule> because i don't have a clue what i'm doing :(

07:10 <Didactylos> You disconnected BOINC Manager from the core client.

07:10 <Didactylos> Have you got it reconnected yet?

07:10 <lusule> i uninstalled and we're trying to install from the sh package thingy now

07:10 <lusule> to get the latest version

07:10 <lusule> but we're not managing to get that working either...

07:11 <Didactylos> Sad. Because all you needed to do was detach from WCG and reattach.

07:11 <lusule> ><

07:12 <Didactylos> Personally, I recommend using the repository version.

07:12 <lusule> are they likely to update the repo version anytime?

07:12 <lusule> because it's very out of date i think :(

07:12 <Didactylos> It sets up your account security properly.

07:12 <Didactylos> lusule: it is the version that was stable yesterday. It's still stable today....

07:13 <lusule> okay reinstalled it again

07:13 <Didactylos> But try 6 if you want. But I'd wait until it is packaged for the repos.

07:13 <lusule> i'll stick with the repos then

07:13 <lusule> what's the command to start it?

07:13 <lusule> okay, started it

07:13 <Didactylos> Back where you started?

07:13 <lusule> 'authorization failed connecting to running client make sure you start this program in the same directory as the client'

07:14 <Didactylos> Did you?

07:14 <lusule> i started it from my home directory...

07:14 <lusule> i have no idea where the repos install the client...

07:14 <Didactylos> I can't remember, either.

07:14 <hawmps> they spread the files all over the place...

07:14 <lusule> i didn't need to start it from there before though..

07:14 <Didactylos> Did you say Ubuntu?

07:15 <lusule> yes

07:15 <hawmps> and generally make a mess of things

07:15 <Didactylos> Okay. You should have BOINC running as a daemon.

07:15 <Didactylos> Try top

07:15 <Didactylos> strike that.

07:15 <hawmps> ps ax | grep boinc

07:16 <Didactylos> Indeed.

07:16 <lusule> ax or aux?

07:16 <hawmps> or ps axu | grep boinc

07:16 <lusule>

07:17 <lusule> how do i kill it?

07:18 <Didactylos> use the service start / stop command.

07:18 <Didactylos> I wish it was documented properly.

07:18 <lusule> service start/stop?  sorry, i'm feeling slightly thick :(

07:19 <Didactylos> You installed boinc-client and boinc-manager from the repository, right?

07:19 <lusule> yes

07:20 <Didactylos> How are you running the manager?

07:20 <lusule> boincmgr

07:20 <Didactylos> Try these instructions:

07:20 <Romulus> Title: BOINC - Ubuntu Wiki (at

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07:23 <ghostcube> heh nice bot

07:24 <ghostcube> isnt Romulus an treekie name for th home planet of the romulaner ??

07:25 <ghostcube> :)

07:25 <Didactylos> Try Roman history. :-p

07:26 <Didactylos> s/history/mythology/

07:27 <lusule> well it worked up to a point, but now it's saying the password is incorrect regardless of what i type :(

07:28 <ghostcube> oh ok u mean the real romulus heh

07:28 <ghostcube> ok that makes sense too ;)

07:28 <ghostcube> lusule: what kind of password

07:29 <lusule> i think i got it working

07:29 <ghostcube> \O/

07:29 <lusule> so now i'm back to my original problem....

07:30 <lusule> Didactylos,

07:30 <lusule> that's the messages i get when i try to run WCG

07:37 <ghostcube> lusule: Thu 31 Jul 2008 12:29:14 BST|World Community Grid|Message from server: Invalid or missing account key.  Visit this project's web site to get an account key.

07:37 <ghostcube> ??

07:37 <ghostcube> im not firm on this but maybe this is a problem

07:38 <lusule> i'm thinking so too but i already have an account, and inputted my username and password

07:38 <ghostcube> damn

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07:43 <Didactylos> lusule: detach from WCG, then reattach.

07:44 <lusule> so what happened then?

07:45 <lusule> it does look like that fixed it :)

07:45 <lusule> thanks, i think :)

07:45 <lusule> thanks a lot for all your help :)  simple solution ><

07:47 <lusule> if i close the manager, will it now keep working in the background?

07:54 <Didactylos> lusule: should do.

07:55 <Didactylos> I apologise for the problem. WCG have a nifty auto-attach method, which is great when it works.

07:55 <Didactylos> Those few times it fails, it causes this error.

07:56 <KathrynM> Didactylos, is that documented anywhere?

07:56 <Didactylos> KathrynM: I can't remember.

07:56 <KathrynM> ok

07:57 <KathrynM> Didactylos, when you compile the manager on Linux, do you compile wxWidgets yourself or use a package?

08:01 <lusule> okay where's the best site to go to to learn how to use boinc properly?

08:02 <Didactylos> A very good question.

08:03 <Didactylos> Don't worry about it. You can get instant help here or the WCG forums.

08:04 <KathrynM> We're nice on the BOINC forums :)

08:04 <lusule> well thanks for the help you've already given me :)

08:04 <lusule> i'm wanting to know if there's a more discreet way of showing the project information now that i've got it running...

08:04 <lusule> rather than having to either have the manager open all the time, or not be able to see what's going on at all...

08:04 <lusule> oh and i need to set it to auto-start but i think i saw a walkthrough for that

08:05 <KathrynM> I think the ubuntu package is set up to autostart, but don't quote me on that

08:06 <KathrynM> I use tail -f on boinc.log

08:06 <KathrynM> You'll have to see if there's something similar in the Ubuntu repo version.

08:06 <KathrynM> I leave it open in a shell on a second desktop and switch over to it when I want to take a look.  This is on Fedora, FWIW

08:08 <lusule> hmmm that's not a bad idea

08:08 <lusule> i'd like to see if they have anything that allows you to display data on conky

08:08 <lusule> but i don't think i've read of anything

08:08 <KathrynM> I think I've seen a few boinc scripts for conky

08:08 <KathrynM> I used to have it on my system, but forgot to recompile it when I upgraded my OS

08:09 <KathrynM> I never really explored all it could do.

08:09 <lusule> conky is awesome :)

08:17 <Didactylos> Does the Ubuntu version of BOINC Manager provide a taskbar icon?

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08:23 <hawmps> yes it does.

08:25 <hawmps> .14 includes manager, and the taskbar stuff for all distros now too.

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10:10 * KathrynM notes that forgetting -j3 was a dumb mistake

10:11 <PovAdct_w> safe to Ctrl-C and run make again, it will only recompile what's not compiled yet

10:11 <KathrynM> what fun would that be :)

10:11 * PovAdct_w should try distcc some day

10:11 <KathrynM> and with my luck, it would break something.

10:12 <PovAdct_w> well, the surely-safe way is Ctrl-C, make clean; make -j3; but the time savings of -j3 may be less than the time you'll waste recompiling what was already done but got clean'd

10:13 <KathrynM> or just let it do it's thing

10:13 <PovAdct_w> yeah or that

10:13 <KathrynM> lol

10:15 <PovAdct_w> hmm... one cow#$%er was apparently fired recently, another had college exams today, another is apparently sleeping after the sleep-less caused by exams, two others usually arrive later... I'm kinda alone here... *goes install BOINC on all machines*

10:15 <KathrynM> evilness

10:16 <PovAdct_w> my computer has been running WCG and PrimeGrid for quite a while :)

10:16 <KathrynM> nice

10:17 * KathrynM should probably go to bed and wait for this to finish compiling.

10:17 <PovAdct_w> how's your wxFighting going?

10:17 <KathrynM> compiling it right now

10:17 <KathrynM> it was waaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy

10:17 <PovAdct_w> compiling wx?

10:18 <KathrynM> yup

10:18 <KathrynM> I've quite possibly learned more about compiling in the last two days than I ever wanted to know.

10:18 <PovAdct_w> <- w$%& machine

10:18 <Romulus> <> (at

10:18 <PovAdct_w> 12k from that host alone :D

10:19 <KathrynM> what is it?

10:19 <Romulus> It has been said that it is an OK movie, KathrynM

10:19 <KathrynM> shut up Romulus

10:19 <KathrynM> duh, it says on the page

10:19 <PovAdct_w> ^^

10:19 <PovAdct_w> hmm

10:20 <PovAdct_w> what project should I add?

10:20 <PovAdct_w> hydrogen - I'm way too low there

10:20 <KathrynM> don't know how stable it is

10:21 <PovAdct_w> aww, chess has had no work for months

10:22 <KathrynM> pretty much a dead project

10:22 <PovAdct_w> attached APS

10:22 <KathrynM> woot.  compiling finished

10:22 <KathrynM> aps has work?

10:23 <PovAdct_w> goddamnit it has had a longer work-less period than chess

10:23 <KathrynM> lol

10:28 * KathrynM gives boinc and wxwidgets a dirty look

10:28 <PovAdct_w> asploded?

10:28 <KathrynM> the manager part did

10:29 <PovAdct_w> error?

10:29 <KathrynM> but damn it, I can build the client

10:29 <KathrynM> same old same old

10:29 <KathrynM> WARNING: A suitable installation of wxWidgets could not be found

10:29 <KathrynM>          ==> building client without clientgui.

10:29 <PovAdct_w> "can't find a working wxWidgets, building client only"?

10:29 * KathrynM nods

10:29 <PovAdct_w> did you tell boinc's configure where your custom-build wxwidgets is?

10:29 <PovAdct_w> built*

10:29 <KathrynM> uh, no

10:29 <KathrynM> it should be in my path tho

10:30 <KathrynM> /usr/local

10:30 <KathrynM> oh wait

10:30 * KathrynM is an idiot.

10:30 <PovAdct_w> didn't make install?

10:30 * KathrynM forgot the make install step

10:30 <PovAdct_w> :P

10:30 * KathrynM sighs

10:31 <PovAdct_w> my first experience with boinc server was similar...

10:31 <PovAdct_w> I post to the lists saying nothing's working, the scheduler says it can't attach to shared memory

10:31 <PovAdct_w> David tells me to check the feeder log

10:31 <PovAdct_w> I reply there are no logs at all

10:32 <PovAdct_w> "did you start the project with ./bin/start?"

10:32 <PovAdct_w> ooops :)

10:32 <KathrynM> lol

10:32 <PovAdct_w> so that was the step I missed in the instructions

10:32 <KathrynM> small problem

10:32 <PovAdct_w> UOTD in magnetism - look at the image o.0

10:32 <Romulus> <> (at

10:35 <KathrynM> I think I had one of those as a kid.

10:35 <KathrynM> Or maybe a brother did.

10:35 <PovAdct_w> does 3x+1 have a Windows app?

10:35 <KathrynM> dunno

10:36 <PovAdct_w> oh wait I'm mixing up projects

10:36 <KathrynM> I'm sticking to E@H, ABC and PG.  I let Pirates and SIMAP poll for work.

10:36 <PovAdct_w> it was another that had Linux only for long

10:37 <KathrynM> did you see yesterday's xkcd?

10:37 <PovAdct_w> the one with you on it?

10:37 <KathrynM> lol

10:38 <KathrynM> that would be the one

10:38 <KathrynM> and I haven't quite gotten that insane yet.

10:38 <KathrynM> I know better than to tackle gentoo

10:38 <PovAdct_w> nowadays, I'd guess gentoo is straightforward to install

10:39 <PovAdct_w> it will take days anyway, but you won't have to type compilation commands by hand :)

10:39 <PovAdct_w> lol a boinc profile:

10:39 <PovAdct_w> "Here I am. White (my parents fault), 46 (time's fault), single(my fault)"

10:40 <KathrynM> lol

10:40 <KathrynM> I still like my age line

10:40 <KathrynM> I'm 29 and have been for a few years now

10:40 <PovAdct_w> I remember your brother posted your real age to his blog... *searches*

10:41 <KathrynM> lol

10:41 <KathrynM> I told him he was going to die for doing it

10:41 <KathrynM> domain is now

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10:44 <PovAdct_w> and he took your threat seriously - removed the number

10:44 <PovAdct_w> "I have one brother and sister (both older)."

10:46 <KathrynM> :)

10:49 <PovAdct_w> although his age is there, so if I remember how much older than him you are, you're doomed :)

10:49 <KathrynM> lol

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10:50 <PovAdct_w> mindmodeling tells me I attached to the wrong URL

10:51 <PovAdct_w> the "right URL" they give is the same I attached to

10:51 <KathrynM> oh?

10:51 <Romulus> Somebody said oh is it like SocialBorg, KathrynM

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10:51 * KathrynM waves a big magnet in rommie's direction

10:51 <PovAdct_w> mindmodeling has no work either?

10:52 <PovAdct_w> also wasn't there another mind/neuron/intelligence project?

10:52 <KathrynM> AI?

10:52 <Romulus> hmm... AI is new server, KathrynM

10:52 <PovAdct_w> artificial intelligence DUH

10:52 <PovAdct_w> I should have gone to sleep earlier last night

10:52 <KathrynM> lol

10:52 <KathrynM> I basically went to sleep about 8 this morning

10:52 <KathrynM> slept for about 4 hours

10:52 <PovAdct_w> there's a difference

10:52 <KathrynM> now I'm looking for programming activities for my kids

10:53 <PovAdct_w> you slept 4 hours, you feel sleepy

10:53 <PovAdct_w> if I sleep 4 hours, I will be simply unable to get out of bed

10:53 <KathrynM> still, 4 hours isn't real good for the body or brain

10:54 <PovAdct_w> sure it's not, but you *survive* it at least :P

10:54 <ELGono> well 75 + 97 + 116 + 104 + 114 + 121 + 110 + 77 = 814 (ascii code table of her irc-nick) devided by 29 (her reported age) eqals 28years and a few days

10:55 * KathrynM thinks ELGono has too much free time :-p

10:55 <PovAdct_w> ELGono: just gotta look for the oldest profile where she said "29 and have been for a few years", then we have a lower bound

10:56 <ELGono> hehe it was just a moment of steering on screen and waiting for percentage raising

10:56 <ELGono> if i still have logs enabled it might go back 5-6 years

10:57 <ELGono> i should cat Kat ;)

10:57 <PovAdct_w> well she hasn't been on IRC for long

10:57 <PovAdct_w> I meant boinc project profiles

10:57 * KathrynM looks into using Alice

10:58 <PovAdct_w> XD

10:58 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM:

10:58 <Romulus> <> (at

10:58 <PovAdct_w> look at last post :D

11:00 <ELGono> lol

11:00 <Didactylos> Wrapping text sounds easy, right?

11:01 <PovAdct_w> in theory

11:01 <PovAdct_w> In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're not.

11:04 * Didactylos makes heavy use of the debugger.

11:05 <Didactylos> Annoyingly, different platforms behave differently - as you observed, Pov.

11:05 <PovAdct_w> there is no such thing as a cross-platform GUI toolkit :)

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11:08 <Didactylos> wxWidgets has SEVEN different "sizes" for each control, and NONE of them represent the real size.

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11:24 <KathrynM> <-------- sleep

11:25 <PovAdct_w> bai

11:25 <desti> gn8

11:25 * hawmps <<<<< meedting

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13:35 <Didactylos> I'm going insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane!

13:36 <Didactylos> Having worked hard all afternoon, my code is worse than when I started.

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14:00 <hawmps> spammerhackindeath >>

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15:50 <xcamel> &wx 12074

15:50 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: timed out

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15:51 <xcamel> &wx 12074

15:52 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: timed out

15:52 <xcamel> that's odd

15:53 <xcamel>

15:53 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 July 31 - Galaxies on a String (at

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16:43 <desti> NASA Spacecraft Confirms Martian Water, Mission Extended

16:43 <Romulus> <> (at

16:53 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

16:53 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 89.7F / 32.1C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with isolated thunderstorms. Low around 70. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 20 percent.; Friday - Mostly sunny. High in the upper 80s. Northeast wind near 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly (1 more message)

16:53 <wdsmia_w> &more

16:53 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: cloudy. Low in the mid 60s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

16:56 <wdsmia_w> bbiab

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17:24 <xcamel> ip kill >>

17:24 <xcamel> ho5rde2 again

17:25 <wdsmia> damn its hot out there

17:33 <xcamel> cooled down a bit here..

17:33 <xcamel> &weather 12074

17:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 77.9F / 25.5C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms this evening. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds up to 5 mph this evening becoming light. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Humid with highs (1 more message)

17:34 <xcamel> &more

17:34 <Romulus> xcamel: in the mid 80s. West winds up to 5 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. Northwest winds up to 5 mph in the evening becoming light.;

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17:38 <wdsmia> The Beer's nice and cold :)

17:40 <xcamel> good for you.

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17:46 <CoderForLife> greetings

17:46 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:46 <CoderForLife> heya Doug =)

17:47 <CoderForLife> thx for the plink xcamel

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17:50 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict__

17:50 *** PovAddict__ is now known as PovAddict

17:50 <CoderForLife> hello PovAddict

17:50 <PovAddict> hi

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17:51 <CoderForLife> oops

17:51 <PovAddict> pressed Ctrl-W with mouse over wrong window :)

17:52 <CoderForLife> I hate it when that happens

17:53 <Didactylos> xchat has Esc mapped to quit. Annoying.

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17:54 <CoderForLife> I agree Didactylos

18:03 <PovAddict> hehe, a comment on codinghorror

18:03 <PovAddict> about the alpha/beta version naming

18:04 <PovAddict> "Forget greek, let's use honest labels like: "Vapor", "Crap", "You Try It" and his buddy "Try It Again"

18:04 <CoderForLife> lol

18:05 <PovAddict> Release Candidate: "Ready to go barring show stoppers. By the time we get to RC-5, this is usually when we discover massive flaws in the fundamental algorithms, huge gaping memory leaks, and thread and cross process synchronization issues."

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18:16 <zombie67>

18:16 <Romulus> Title: Riesel Sieve Project View topic - What Happened? (at

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18:27 <CoderForLife> heh

18:34 <Didactylos> Rom: "I'll have .15 out tonight"

18:35 <PovAddict> sigh

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18:38 * CoderForLife sighs in sympathy

18:38 * CoderForLife drafts a construction contract

18:41 <Soul_keeper>,6012.html

18:41 <Romulus> <> (at

18:42 <Soul_keeper> if AMD can get TSMC to make some CPUs for them they'd be pretty competitive

18:46 <PovAddict> &boincerr -195

18:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: no app version

18:48 <zombie67> ERR_NO_APP_VERSION -195

18:48 <zombie67> BOINC couldn't find the application's version number.

18:58 <CoderForLife> &dict warrants

18:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: No definition for "warrants" could be found.

18:58 <CoderForLife> &dict warrant

18:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: warrant n 1: a writ from a court commanding police to perform specified acts 2: a type of security issued by a corporation (usually together with a bond or preferred stock) that gives the holder the right to purchase a certain amount of common stock at a stated price; "as a sweetener they offered warrants along with the fixed-income (33 more messages)

18:58 <CoderForLife> yikes 33

18:58 <CoderForLife> &more

18:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: securities" [syn: {stock warrant}, {stock-purchase warrant}] 3: formal and explicit approval; "a Democrat usually gets the union's endorsement" [syn: {sanction}, {countenance}, {endorsement}, {indorsement}, {imprimatur}] 4: a written assurance that some product or service will be provided or will meet certain specifications [syn: {guarantee}, {warrantee}, {warranty}] v 1: show to be reasonable or (32 more messages)

18:59 <CoderForLife> &more

18:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: provide adequate ground for; "The emergency does not warrant all of us buying guns"; "The end justifies the means" [syn: {justify}] 2: stand behind and guarantee the quality, accuracy, or condition of; "The dealer warrants all the cars he sells"; "I warrant this information" [syn: {guarantee}]; bouvier: WARRANT, crim. law, Practice. A writ issued by a justice of the peace or other authorized (31 more messages)

18:59 <CoderForLife> &dict apace

18:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: apace adv : with rapid movements; "he !@#&s quickly" [syn: {quickly}, {rapidly}, {speedily}, {chop-chop}] [ant: {slowly}]; gcide: Apace \A*pace"\, adv. [Pref. a- + pace. OE. a pas at a walk, in which a is the article. See {Pace}.] With a quick pace; quick; fast; speedily. [1913 Webster] His dewy locks did drop with brine apace. --Spenser. [1913 (3 more messages)

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19:09 <xcamel> re-hi

19:09 <CoderForLife> hi

19:10 * CoderForLife drafts a construction contract

19:14 <CoderForLife> &dict encroach

19:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Encroach \En*croach"\, n. Encroachment. [Obs.] --South. [1913 Webster]; wn: encroach v 1: advance beyond the usual limit [syn: {infringe}, {impinge}] 2: impinge or infringe upon; "This impinges on my rights as an individual"; "This matter entrenches on other domains" [syn: {impinge}, {entrench}, {trench}]; gcide: Encroach \En*croach"\, v. i. (5 more messages)

19:14 <CoderForLife> &dict runoff

19:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn and moby-thes responded: wn: runoff n 1: the occurrence of surplus liquid (as water) exceeding the limit or capacity [syn: {overflow}, {overspill}] 2: a final election to resolve an earlier election that did not produce a winner; moby-thes: 59 Moby Thesaurus words for "runoff": bout, by-election, caucus, closed primary, congressional election, contest, contested election, decathlon, (2 more messages)

19:15 <CoderForLife> &more

19:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: defluxion, direct primary, discharge, double-header, doubles, drain, drainage, effluence, efflux, effluxion, effusion, election, event, exhalation, exhaust, flowoff, foursome, game, games of chance, general election, go, gush, mandatory primary, match, meet, nonpartisan primary, open primary, optional primary, outfall, outflow, outflowing, outpour, outpouring, partisan election, pentathlon, play, (1 more message)

19:15 <PovAddict> &list dict

19:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: dict, dictionaries, and random

19:15 <PovAddict> hmm no way to limit to a single dictionary?

19:15 <CoderForLife> dunno

19:15 <PovAddict> looks like there isn't

19:16 <PovAddict> would be useful so you don't have to &more through pages of synonyms when you just want definitions (or viceversa)

19:16 <CoderForLife> you are soo right

19:16 <CoderForLife> &dict punch list

19:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: No definition for "punch list" could be found.

19:16 <CoderForLife> &dict punchlist

19:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: No definition for "punchlist" could be found.

19:16 <CoderForLife> &urbandict punchlist

19:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

19:16 <PovAddict>

19:16 <Romulus> <> (at

19:17 <PovAddict> urbandict has been broken for a while, it seems

19:17 <CoderForLife> sadly

19:17 <xcamel> very long time

19:18 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

19:18 <xcamel> evenin

19:18 <CoderForLife> workin on a contract

19:18 <xcamel> aye

19:18 <CoderForLife> contractor said he didn't use one, but he'd sign one if I brought one

19:19 <CoderForLife> sounds like a strong bargaining position on my side

19:19 <xcamel> sounds like he's not really very bright

19:20 <CoderForLife> I can't figure out why he'd try to do business that way

19:20 <xcamel> -jmho-

19:23 <CoderForLife> I value that -jmho-

19:23 <CoderForLife> anyway, I'm writing the contract in a way favorable to me

19:24 <xcamel> I hope so

19:25 <CoderForLife> I am prone to go through doors that swing open like that.

19:26 <xcamel> except for the guy with the mask and gun behind the door..

19:26 <CoderForLife> lol  I thought about that as I was typing it

19:30 <xcamel> I'm a bit jaded that way..

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19:33 <CoderForLife> s'ok - it's tough being a realist

19:33 <efc> moo

19:34 <CoderForLife> moo

19:35 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:36 * CoderForLife hits e-mail quota limit on w@#% e-mail

19:36 <CoderForLife> productivity be damned, we must limit mailbox size

19:36 <PovAddict> that's nothing

19:37 <CoderForLife> that exactly the size of my mailbox quota

19:37 <PovAddict> I heard of people saying at their w$%&place, if you're close to reaching your mailbox size, the server starts sending you notification email telling you about the problem

19:37 <efc> Information must be controlled. The easiest way is to eliminate it.

19:37 <PovAddict> ...making you reach the limit faster...

19:37 <CoderForLife> that's the way our works

19:37 <PovAddict> (it's also something stupid like one notification every 6 hours)

19:38 <PovAddict> rant probably expired on though

19:38 <CoderForLife> every e-mail I get comes with another one that tells me I'm at the end

19:39 <CoderForLife> "Your mail file has exceeded the quota warning threshold specified by your Administrator. "

19:39 <CoderForLife> "Current usage: 202,240  Kilobytes  (197.50 MB)"

19:39 <PovAddict> capitalized like God

19:39 <CoderForLife> "Quota Warning threshold: 153,600  Kilobytes  (150.00 MB)"

19:39 <CoderForLife> "Quota Size limit: 204,800  Kilobytes  (200.00 MB)"

19:40 <CoderForLife> Any vendor who sends me unsolicited e-mails that exceed 1MB get trashed and a reply sent telling them I trashed it due to size

19:41 <CoderForLife> I got 40 warning messages today

19:43 <xcamel> take this to work with you, Don...

19:43 <xcamel>

19:43 <xcamel> betting that googlexec won't be very happy..

19:45 <CoderForLife> looking

19:47 <xcamel> campaign to put the screws to google on privacy..

19:47 <efc> &math convert 500 feet to meters

19:47 <Romulus> efc: 152.4

19:48 <CoderForLife> yeah - like Judge Souter and emminent domain

19:49 <xcamel> souter... that would be 'enema domain'

19:49 <CoderForLife> what kinds of insurance should the contractor carry?

19:49 <CoderForLife> workman's comp, fix my house (what's that called),...

19:49 <xcamel> all peril

19:50 <CoderForLife> ah that's right

19:50 <xcamel> proof of workers comp

19:50 <xcamel> proof of license as needed

19:50 <CoderForLife> yep - got that

19:51 <xcamel> you're additional insured, as needed.

19:52 <xcamel> your own homeowners agent needs to be aware of the project

19:52 <CoderForLife> oh really?

19:52 <CoderForLife> won't they come out, take one look over the hill, and double my rates?

19:52 <xcamel> yes indeed, major construction

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19:54 * CoderForLife grabs his policy booklet

19:55 <xcamel> good idea.

19:56 <CoderForLife> they don't cover the loss of pet fish

19:57 <xcamel> lol

19:58 <xcamel> even if it was a lion fish guarding your jewels?

19:59 <CoderForLife> the jewels would be covered up to $1,000 - no luck on the fish

20:00 <CoderForLife> I'll have to search the PDF for "notification"

20:02 * CoderForLife has worked all day on w@#% and personal contracts

20:07 <CoderForLife> I see nothing requiring notification

20:09 <xcamel> rules might be a bit different in ohio

20:09 <CoderForLife> hopefully we discover an abandoned mine in the hill, and I can claim mine subsidence coverage

20:12 <CoderForLife> bio break - brb

20:12 <xcamel> obviously stranger things have happened

20:14 <CoderForLife> maybe they'll locate the lost Ark of the Covenant, then

20:19 * KathrynM bang head on desk

20:19 * PovAddict runs with a pillow

20:20 <PovAddict> er, too late? *gets ice*

20:20 <KathrynM> I swear.  This is on purpose to make me crazy.

20:20 <PovAddict> what, BOINC?

20:20 <KathrynM> yes

20:20 <PovAddict> no, it's not on purpose to make you crazy

20:20 <PovAddict> it just plain sucks

20:20 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:20 <KathrynM> lol

20:20 <PovAddict> 6-year-olds are on purpose to make you crazy, though

20:20 <KathrynM> that's Monday

20:20 <PovAddict> yep

20:21 <quail> morning all

20:21 <xcamel> 'lo Q

20:22 <KathrynM> to run ldconfig, do I have to be in /sbin?

20:23 <PovAddict> CFL: "Job security index = 1/maintainability"

20:23 <quail> &wx ypad

20:23 <PovAddict> KathrynM: nope, but if it's not on your path, you may have to type whole path

20:23 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM CST; Rain. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Overcast. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 C.;

20:23 <PovAddict> $ /sbin/ldconfig

20:23 <KathrynM> that worked (I think)

20:24 <KathrynM> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

20:26 <Didactylos> Hello, KathrynM

20:26 <KathrynM> hiya Didactylos

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20:35 <PovAddict> &urlquote $1@

20:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: %241%40

20:35 <PovAddict> @coders:

20:35 <Romulus> <> (at

20:36 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

20:36 <KathrynM> hi CoderForLife

20:36 <CoderForLife> hello quail

20:36 <CoderForLife> I wuz reading my insurance policy

20:37 <KathrynM> fun

20:45 <CoderForLife> you have a peculiar sense of what's enjoyable =)

20:46 <nickuwo> look out boys and girls...  my work generator is work generatin'

20:47 <KathrynM> congrats

20:47 <nickuwo> thx!

20:47 <nickuwo> ya know what that means....

20:47 <CoderForLife> excellent

20:47 <nickuwo> pizza time

20:47 <CoderForLife> lol

20:53 <nickuwo> oh man... I used gdb and everything... pov's gonna be so proud of me. haha!

21:03 <nickuwo> do you guys know- what should I set PHPMAILERHOST to? do I need a pop or smtp server running?

21:03 <nickuwo> probably...

21:31 <xcamel> PHPMAILERHOST >> best bet would be postfix

21:32 <CoderForLife> beddy-bye time

21:32 <CoderForLife> cya nice folks back here soon

21:34 <PovAddict> nickuwo: yes, smtp

21:34 <PovAddict> or set it to your ISP's

21:35 <PovAddict> wait actually, no need for smtp, just an *outgoing* server, you don't need to receive email

21:35 <nickuwo> ok

21:36 <PovAddict> if you set it to some external SMTP server (not the one directly from your ISP), you'll get into spam blacklists pretty quick

21:37 <nickuwo> right

21:49 <xcamel> a simple internal mail server would cover it

21:50 <nickuwo> im trying to setup sendmail, since it was already on my server... we'll see how it goes

21:51 <wdsmia> sendmail is simple and it works

21:52 <nickuwo> hmm... know offhand where the log files are for sendmail?

21:52 <wdsmia> normaly /var/log/mail.log

21:55 <xcamel> sendmail is a security nightmare

21:55 <wdsmia> what security lol

21:58 * wdsmia goes back to whats *nix mode

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