IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-08-02

00:09 <MTughan> KathrynM: I'm recording this one on our MythTV box if you want to watch.

00:11 <MTughan> It's got Richard Simmons too... xD

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00:48 <efc> moo

00:49 <zombie67> oom

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02:25 <Tank_Master> omo

02:26 <efc> yo

02:26 <Tank_Master> hey

02:28 <Tank_Master>

02:28 <Romulus> <> (at

02:29 <Soul_keeper> yo

02:29 <Tank_Master> SK!

02:31 <Soul_keeper> my life is empty

02:32 <Tank_Master> you need more porn

02:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah eating mccdonalds and looking at porn  are the only things i'm good at

02:34 <efc> that makes two of u, errr, nevermind :)

02:36 <Tank_Master> lol

02:36 <Tank_Master> I dont care for McD's

02:37 <Soul_keeper> i only like their double cheeseburgers

02:37 <Soul_keeper> the other stuff is pathetic

02:38 <Soul_keeper> big macs taste like styrofoam

02:41 <Soul_keeper> their french frys taste like tasteless oil

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02:59 <efc> hey McD's is to be avoided

02:59 <efc> The fries aren't bad though..

02:59 <efc> the service is worse than the food

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03:00 <Soul_keeper> yeah only mexicans work there around here

03:00 <Soul_keeper> they talk spanish to each other and laugh hysterically while making your food

03:00 <Soul_keeper> never sure what they do to it

03:05 <efc> You don't want to know

03:06 <efc> Though it probably hurt that food much more

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03:28 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i havn't shaved in a week, got me a beard going

03:28 <Soul_keeper> scraggly looking

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03:51 <Soul_keeper> time for sleep later

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05:25 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 74.3F / 23.5C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.41in / 995.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms early this morning. Highs in the upper 80s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 (1 more message)

05:26 <CoderForLife> &more

05:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:26 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

05:27 <CoderForLife> morning Ms K

05:27 * CoderForLife hands a bright shiny apple to Teacher

05:27 <KathrynM> awwwwwwwwwww

05:27 <KathrynM> :)

05:27 <KathrynM>

05:27 <Romulus> <> (at

05:28 <CoderForLife> plink -> 567 FTP hack attempts

05:28 <CoderForLife> need to get my wall built before they switch on LHC

05:29 * KathrynM needs to eat something for dinner

05:29 <KathrynM> bbiab

05:29 <CoderForLife> k

05:32 <CoderForLife> this rap vid is a great high-energy particle physics tutorial

05:33 <KathrynM> I've not watched it yet.  I'm watching an old episode of CSI: Miami.

05:33 <KathrynM> I forgot to take my pork out of the freezer, so it's in water thawing now

05:36 <CoderForLife> sent the pig to the spa, eh?

05:36 <KathrynM> sumthin like that

05:36 <KathrynM> I'm making peach tea now

05:37 <KathrynM> making = pouring packets of mix into a big bottle of water

05:37 <CoderForLife> I bet it'll be a peach of a tea

05:37 <KathrynM> lol

05:43 <KathrynM> that is an awesome video :)

05:47 <CoderForLife> purdy cool

05:48 <CoderForLife> quite a tutorial

05:48 <KathrynM> yup

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06:45 <CoderForLife> off to the grocery store - bbl

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07:28 <xcamel> 'lo

07:57 <xcamel> &wx 12074

07:57 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 64.2F / 17.9C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1006.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Numerous showers and scattered thunderstorms this morning... then showers and scattered thunderstorms this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall...frequent lightning and gusty winds. Highs in the mid 70s. (2 more messages)

07:57 <xcamel> &more

07:57 <Romulus> xcamel: Southwest winds up to 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Showers and scattered thunderstorms in the evening...then scattered showers after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds...heavy rainfall and frequent lightning in the evening. Lows in the lower 60s. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Sunday - Patchy fog in the (1 more message)

07:57 <xcamel> &more

07:57 <Romulus> xcamel: morning. Partly sunny with scattered showers in the morning...then mostly cloudy with scattered thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce small hail in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

07:58 <xcamel> yuk

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08:50 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

08:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 63.2F / 17.3C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the upper 80s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the upper 60s. Southeast wind around 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. High around 90. Southeast (1 more message)

08:50 <wdsmia> &more

08:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 10 to 15 mph.;

08:56 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

09:01 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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09:07 <xcamel> looks like some storms coming in..

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09:23 <CoderForLife> greetings to all boinc-loving life forms

09:23 <xcamel> 'lo Don

09:24 <CoderForLife> good morning Jay

09:24 <xcamel> headed for a company (contractor) picnic later, but it looks like we're gonna get stormed on..

09:24 <CoderForLife> yuck

09:24 <xcamel> hit-n-miss

09:25 <CoderForLife> that's better than hit-n-miss ligtning strikes

09:25 <xcamel> getting those too...

09:25 <xcamel> but it's dying out a bit

09:26 <CoderForLife> we didn't get any rain last night

09:26 <xcamel> some crackle in the radio..

09:27 <CoderForLife> that your homebrew lightning detector?

09:27 <xcamel> lol

09:31 <CoderForLife> I usually wrap aluminum foil on the TV rabbit ears, and watch for patterns in the off-channel snow.

09:37 <KathrynM> better than wearing a tin foil hat

09:38 <CoderForLife> I only put that on if I detect anything in the snow

09:38 <xcamel> digital tv just gives you weird squares...

09:38 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

09:38 <KathrynM> evening CoderForLife

09:39 * CoderForLife attempts a first cut at a paverlock patio design

09:40 * KathrynM notes she still needs to burn a cd for w&@^

09:40 * KathrynM goes to rip her copy of "The Wheels on the Bus" before the school cd players trash it

09:40 <CoderForLife> a burnt offering, a burning sacrifice?

09:41 <KathrynM> there are days I want to burn the place down

09:41 <xcamel> strike rate down to 34 so not worried much

09:41 <CoderForLife> still a lot

09:42 <CoderForLife> going outside to measure - bbiab

09:43 <xcamel> aluminized mylar kite with fine copper line?

09:53 <xcamel> laterz, all

10:11 <CoderForLife> lol - that kind of electromotive force would provide for a hair-raising experience

10:11 * CoderForLife could afford to raise a few more hairs

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10:57 <PovIpod> framework detection is as easy as with libraries

10:57 <MTughan> Wrong channel... :P

10:57 <PovIpod> right >.<

10:58 <KathrynM> lol

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12:08 <KathrynM> If any of you are the praying types, I'd appreciate some prayers for my family.  My mom needs a liver transplant.

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12:12 <CoderForLife> okay KathrynM

12:12 * CoderForLife adds the Miranda tab bug to his...

12:13 <KathrynM> old bug still biting?

12:13 * CoderForLife displays his bleeding finger

12:13 * KathrynM offers CoderForLife a bandaid

12:14 * CoderForLife smiles, and accepts

12:14 * CoderForLife places the bandaid over the tab key

12:14 <KathrynM> :)

12:14 <CoderForLife> that tab key will never threaten us again

12:15 <CoderForLife> &math

12:15 <Romulus> CoderForLife: (math calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.

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13:41 <efc> moo

14:03 <nickuwo> baaaa

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14:40 <CoderForLife> squeek

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15:07 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian

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15:14 <efc> yo

15:16 <quail> &wx ypad

15:16 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 48°F / 9°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 4:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

15:17 <quail> g'day BadBarbarian_ CoderForLife and efc

15:17 <efc> moo to you too

15:17 <quail> moo

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15:18 <quail> efc: so how is it in moo land

15:18 <efc> Hot.. hiding inside today

15:18 <CoderForLife> hello quail amd efc

15:18 <efc> &weather 30625

15:18 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 97F / 36C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning...then partly sunny with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 90s. Heat index readings 102 to 106. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 (1 more message)

15:19 <CoderForLife> I too am "laying low"

15:19 <quail> efc: send some of that this way :-P

15:19 <quail> CoderForLife: you are always laying low in you basement

15:20 <CoderForLife> we're getting closer to getting the retaining wall construction underway

15:20 <CoderForLife> nah, my office is on the second floor - I'm high all the time

15:21 <quail> CoderForLife: becareful there you might start needing canned oxygen :-P

15:21 <CoderForLife> true

15:22 <CoderForLife> Quantas likes hauling those in jets, I hear

15:22 <quail> CoderForLife: needs to get on skype more often

15:22 <CoderForLife> true also

15:23 <quail> CoderForLife: it save my phone bit :-P

15:23 <CoderForLife> yeah - Skype rather than phone

15:24 <CoderForLife> I'm working on a construction contract, and a letter to neighbors

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15:24 <quail> yeah why give more money to the corporate money hungry bastards

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15:24 <CoderForLife> looks like construction may start as soon as the 11th

15:25 <quail> my dog snoring really load

15:25 <Soul_keeper> probably has one of those grass thorns in his nose

15:26 <quail> nah she an old girl

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16:29 <PovAddict> bryanUC: ping

16:38 <CoderForLife> going outside to grill steak - bbl

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17:13 <bryanUC> PovAddict: pong

17:13 <PovAddict> [00:30] <bryanUC> PovAddict around?

17:14 <bryanUC> we had a question last night....does the boinc client automatically dump old results that are pending upload/report into /dev/null?

17:14 <bryanUC> or will the client try to report forever

17:15 <PovAddict> I think it tries forever

17:15 <yoyo[RKN]> I think so too

17:15 <bryanUC> ok, thanks (I forget who said to ask you, but someone said you'd know) :)

17:15 <PovAddict> there's a chance it will eventually give up for uploads (not after some time, but after some number of attempts), but afaik reports never "expire"

17:15 <bryanUC> ah, but the upload may not be there any more...hmm

17:16 <PovAddict> here is it:

17:16 <PovAddict> if the server goes down after upload but before report, it'd try forever to report

17:17 <PovAddict> if the server goes down before upload, and the client indeed expires uploads after a number of failed attempts (which I'm not sure about), then when the upload expires I don't think it would even try reporting

17:17 <PovAddict> or maybe report with error: uploading?

17:17 <bryanUC> hmm, ok

17:17 <bryanUC> just trying to get a handle on what disaster we'll create when we turn the BOINC server back on

17:18 <PovAddict> your biggest problem there is making sure the *server* will *accept* the reported work

17:18 <PovAddict> if you don't edit the DB, it will mark all work as having passed deadline as soon as the server is turned on

17:19 <yoyo[RKN]> if you switch on the server you should not hand out new workunits for 2 days, only accept uploads of old work

17:21 <bryanUC> we're probably going to be changing apps anyway, so my plan was to drain out the clients' reports first by not generating any work

17:22 <yoyo[RKN]> you should stop the feeder

17:22 <bryanUC> it's perlboinc (another wrinkle in the mess, I'll be upgrading the server during this process as well to 'regular' boinc)

17:23 <PovAddict> I think if you stop the feeder, the scheduler won't do anything, not even accept reported work (not quite sure about that)

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> I think in February after my server crash, I did run the server without feeder, and work was accepted, but not new one delivered

17:24 <PovAddict> I used to have a patch on the scheduler adding another trigger file (like stop_upload and such) to stop sending work

17:25 <PovAddict> and another to make it not send work unless userid=1 (me) for testing :)

17:26 <yoyo[RKN]> very usefull, should be standard

17:28 <bryanUC> it's all quite a mess right now :) we have to reformat every server, but have to preserve all the data/uploads

17:28 <bryanUC> so my thought is to get the DB server backed up/reformatted....then get the BOINC server to report all the work....and take it offline again to reformat

17:28 <bryanUC> although we're still figuring all that out

17:31 <PovAddict> huh?

17:31 <PovAddict> first reformat DB, then let clients report work?

17:31 <bryanUC> no....backup the DB, format, restore DB, turn on BOINC, let clients report, stop BOINC, format BOINC server

17:32 <PovAddict> that will be fun :)

17:32 <bryanUC> oh yeah, lots :)

17:34 <CoderForLife> hmm

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18:05 <CoderForLife> &dict coax

18:05 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: foldoc: coax {coaxial cable}; gcide: Coax \Coax\, n. A simpleton; a dupe. [Obs.] --Beau. & Fl. [1913 Webster]; wn: coax n : a transmission line for high-frequency signals [syn: {coaxial cable}, {coax cable}] v : influence or urge by gentle urging, caressing, or flattering; "He palavered her into going along" [syn: {wheedle}, {cajole}, (3 more messages)

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18:27 <CoderForLife> wb efc

18:30 <efc> re-moo

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18:45 <CoderForLife> un-moo

19:00 <CoderForLife> &dict borne

19:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: borne See {bear}; gcide: Borne \Borne\ (b[=o]rn), p. p. of {Bear}. Carried; conveyed; supported; defrayed. See {Bear}, v. t. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 22 Moby Thesaurus words for "borne": based on, bolstered, braced, buttressed, founded on, grounded on, guyed, held, ineffectual, limited, maintained, mean, narrow, paltry, propped, set, shored (18 more messages)

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20:45 <PovAddict> hey Jord, long time no speak (here)

20:46 <Ageless93> teaches you not to rush in while running away from all the people with problems.

20:46 <Ageless93> yes, it's been a while.

20:46 <Didactylos> Hi, Jord.

20:47 <Ageless93> I heard the two of you set up your own OINC?

20:47 <efc> Moo

20:47 <PovAddict> oink

20:47 <PovAddict>

20:47 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Google Code (at

20:47 <Ageless93> funky title

20:48 <Didactylos> Thanks.

20:48 <PovAddict>

20:48 <PovAddict> FAQ indeed :P

20:48 <Romulus> <> (at

20:48 <Ageless93> sounds religious, may you get a large constituence. :)

20:48 <Didactylos> We took that old saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

20:48 <PovAddict> yeah

20:49 <PovAddict> only we have a better sense than other developers for noticing when things are broke

20:49 <PovAddict> :)

20:50 <Ageless93> so add a scroller to my projects list on the stats tab and you have a friend.

20:50 <KathrynM> whoa, Jord's here

20:50 <Ageless93> I really want to get rid of seeing the stats for uFluids and WCG, but can't reach them from my gui ;)

20:50 <PovAddict> file a feature request on Issues? :)

20:51 <Didactylos> We're starting small. No server code to start with.

20:51 <Ageless93> didn't I put it in Trac?

20:51 <Ageless93> just steal it from there

20:51 <PovAddict> maybe you aren't explaining "scroller" well enough :)

20:51 <Didactylos> Oh, on the graph?

20:52 <Ageless93> on the projects list next to it, david, where you can select which project's stats you want to see. I know I can hack the statistics files, but heck it... I want that feature (tantrums off).

20:53 <Ageless93> it was only requested a year ago... no less.

20:53 <PovAddict> scroll bar?

20:53 <Ageless93> yes

20:54 <Ageless93> hey kath. Sorry, didn't see you there. Am a bit muscled locked up from playing Crysis for a little too long. Still not finished it.

20:55 <Didactylos> Sorry, Jord - confused it with your recent request for a scrolled web project list.

20:55 <PovAddict> #365 indeed

20:55 <KathrynM> no problem Jord

20:55 <KathrynM> I was talking with Jack.

20:55 <PovAddict> &bticket 365

20:55 <Romulus>

20:56 <Ageless93> but I do like the Sapphire HD3850 a lot. Found out today that it needs two power cables connected, but it's running fine with only one.

20:56 <Ageless93> Now waiting for a BOINC 6.3 with full GPU crunching capabilities to test out my double precision capabilties. ;)

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21:02 <Didactylos> I've been pondering the mathematics of an improved DCF calculation.

21:02 <Didactylos> Considered as a time series.

21:04 <Ageless93> just start simple. Like looking for the obvious things that are missing. I see my #704 now has all the options I wanted it to have.

21:05 <Didactylos> Oh, we are.

21:05 <PovAddict> Didactylos: did you port the changes in that ticket?

21:05 <Didactylos> I missed that one.

21:05 <Didactylos> I was stuck in my branch.

21:06 <PovAddict> heh

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21:06 <Ageless93> weird thing on Trac. if you set yourself as CC and the ticket is closed, you don't get an email about that. If it's reopened you don't get emails about that. Any later additions, no emails.

21:07 <Ageless93> hence how I hadn't seen it had all the options, thanks to Pepo fo his perseverance.

21:10 <Ageless93> hmm, perhaps because my name is crossed out in comment 2. ;)

21:10 <PovAddict> lol

21:10 <PovAddict> it's just because it's a link to the ticket

21:10 <PovAddict> ticket closed => links to it crossed out

21:10 <Ageless93> I know... it just looks so weird.

21:11 <PovAddict> indeed

21:12 <Didactylos> did you stop getting notifications when Pep edited the CC field?

21:12 <Didactylos> ^Pepo

21:12 <Ageless93> around that time yes

21:13 <Ageless93> will ask him if he got any further notices.

21:13 <Didactylos> Maybe cc is space delimited?

21:13 <PovAddict> it's not; Trac adds the commas if you use spaces

21:14 <Ageless93> not much fun for all those people with 'double names' ..

21:14 <Ageless93> e.g. if I CC Eric Myers, an email goes out to Eric and one to Myers... none goes out to Eric Myers. ;)

21:15 <Ageless93> I still have to test putting the name in quotes once.

21:21 <Ageless93> hmm, not bad for a FAQ of a week old, 1160 views. And still people seem to be clueless. Oh well.

21:22 <Didactylos> Which FAQ?

21:22 <PovAddict> the one on mundayweb

21:22 <PovAddict>

21:22 <Romulus> Title: BOINC FAQ Service (at

21:22 <Ageless93> the big BOINC 6 FAQ, David.

21:23 <Ageless93> the "official FAQ"

21:23 <Didactylos> I know that. I meant specifically.

21:23 <Didactylos> Oh, 6.

21:24 <Didactylos> It's kind of hard to recommend BOINC 6. What's goiung for it? Vista?

21:24 <Ageless93> considering I put up another FAQ at around the same time dealing with all the options in your advanced prefs and it fetching the normal amount of around 160, 1160 is not bad.

21:25 <Ageless93> it was stupid of them to put it out without the bug fixes in, to wait for 6.2.15 for that.

21:25 <Didactylos> That's because advanced preferences are a hideous mess.

21:26 <Ageless93> I told Rom that, but tehre was pressure coming from elsewhere and the fact that Charlie went on vacation.

21:26 <Ageless93> so the alpha release was released. shrug.

21:26 <Ageless93> why do you think I bought a new video card this week? ;-)

21:26 <PovAddict> to play games

21:27 <Ageless93> to be really away from the mess, play games. :)

21:27 <PovAddict> to take off the stress from answering questions

21:27 <PovAddict> or that

21:27 <PovAddict> :)

21:27 <KathrynM> more fun to follow the drama at seti

21:27 <Ageless93> and all the reasons you mention

21:28 <Ageless93> dramas, plural, no?

21:28 <KathrynM> drama all inclusive :)

21:30 <Ageless93> still not understanding all that happened there and no real interest to do know.

21:30 <KathrynM> I'm with you.

21:30 <KathrynM> I'm going to watch some tb

21:30 <KathrynM> tv even

21:30 <KathrynM> laters

21:31 <Ageless93> laters Kath

21:33 <PovAddict> damn, stupid PHP

21:34 <PovAddict> <- can anyone try that? I want to know how some upload metadata shows when using Windows

21:34 <Romulus> <> (at

21:36 <Ageless93> sending you my secret files

21:37 <Ageless93> if it wants to, at leat

21:37 <Ageless93> *least

21:37 <PovAddict> hmm interesting - even from Windows, the MIME type is correct (text/xml)

21:37 <Ageless93> Your upload has been logged.

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21:40 <Ageless93> ok, I am off to bed.

21:40 <Ageless93> night all.

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21:45 <PovAddict> pizza ->

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22:53 <PovAddict> &tiny

22:53 <Romulus> PovAddict:

22:58 <PovAddict> &urlquote #

22:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: %23

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23:35 <PovAddict> <- need more repeated testing :)

23:35 <Romulus> Title: Testing BOINC !@#&unit states (at

23:37 * PovAddict looks at infinisoft

23:41 <infinisoft> Hmm

23:41 <PovAddict> did it give errors?

23:41 <infinisoft> no

23:41 <infinisoft> 'your upload has been logged'

23:42 <PovAddict> my client_state has unescaped ampersands; I'm working on a PHP stream filter to work around that (and the API for stream filters seems to suck)

23:45 <PovAddict> ah great

23:45 <PovAddict> I wrote the stream filter, and now I notice DOM can't take a stream as input >.<

23:49 <PovAddict> now does something useful :)

23:58 * PovAddict looks around for another guinea pig

23:58 <PovAddict> hi MTughan

23:59 <MTughan> You know you're not very encouraging.

23:59 <PovAddict> lol

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