IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-08-03

00:04 <PovAddict> MTughan: where do Macs have their client_state.xml?

00:05 <MTughan> /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/client_state.xml

00:05 <PovAddict> does it change between 5.x and 6.x?

00:05 <MTughan> Not that I saw.

00:05 <PovAddict> thx - updated script instructions

00:12 <PovAddict> so... can you try it out :)

00:40 <MTughan> Oh gah... http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php

00:40 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

00:40 <PovAddict> you know who Pierre is?

00:41 <MTughan> Webmaster, right?

00:41 <PovAddict> he's sooo gonna kill Tim (or redirect cad-comic.com to goatse)

00:41 <MTughan> lol

00:41 <MTughan> Well, it's funny while it lasts. :P

00:44 <PovAddict> Pierre already took revenge of one

00:44 <PovAddict> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php?d=20080711

00:44 <PovAddict> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php?d=20080721

00:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/67sedm> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

00:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5qnjb6> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

00:54 <MTughan> Yes, I saw those when they were still in the news...

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01:35 <infinisoft> I was thinking about making some app that would collect task status info and forward it to a central web server

01:35 <infinisoft> So anyone can get task status or monitor hosts from anywhere

01:35 <infinisoft> Maybe even have task logging

01:35 <Soul_keeper> do it

01:35 <PovAddict> like my old forum signature?

01:35 <PovAddict> and yours

01:35 <infinisoft> yeah

01:36 <PovAddict> Rytis thought about it too

01:36 <infinisoft> but someone who runs a windows host can use this and not have to run a home server

01:36 <infinisoft> since the data would be pushed to a central web server

01:36 <infinisoft> just some sort of boincview-esque background task, or something

01:37 <PovAddict> do you know uptime-project?

01:37 <PovAddict> (now down)

01:37 <infinisoft> xD

01:37 <infinisoft> no

01:37 <PovAddict> a tiny tool you installed

01:37 <PovAddict> checked your computer uptime

01:37 <PovAddict> every half hour uploaded to server

01:37 <PovAddict> I think the top-1 computer there had 5 years of uptime... Win2k

01:38 <PovAddict> so it had top-10, breakdown by operating systems and hardware vendors, signature images...

01:38 <PovAddict> that's *exactly* the same model needed for a "BOINC tasks I'm running" signature service

01:39 <infinisoft> yeah, just add the info of the tasks

01:39 <Soul_keeper> i want the feature to change priorities on tasks/projects

01:39 <KathrynM> mornin PovAddict

01:40 <Soul_keeper> like where i can set them to -19  or 0  or 20

01:40 <Soul_keeper> but i guess with the current credit system that don't make a difference ...

01:41 <Soul_keeper> if i finish a task 15% faster because i ran the highest priority i just get 15% less credits,  can i get a confirmation on this ?

01:42 <PovAddict> huh?

01:42 <Tank_Master> exactly

01:42 <Soul_keeper> yeah i guess it's over your head

01:42 <PovAddict> if you run at highest process priority, there is no way in hell you'll get a 15% improvement

01:42 <Soul_keeper> sure i can

01:42 <Tank_Master> if theres other crap running on the comp, it can

01:42 <PovAddict> so your user processes are wasting a whole 15%?

01:42 <Tank_Master> its probably sNorton

01:43 <Soul_keeper> highest priority at console is far superior to low priority in the gui

01:43 <PovAddict> that's quite a bit :)

01:43 <Soul_keeper> it's not all a matter of user processes wasting the cpu cycles, it's a matter of the scheduler and switching/giving up cpu cycles

01:44 <infinisoft> Ive actually found mcafee fully loading one of my cores once >_>

01:44 <PovAddict> in any case, any time "gained" there will give the same final "CPU time elapsed" anyway

01:44 <Soul_keeper> not all 100%'s are the same ...

01:44 <infinisoft> And not during a scan or anything, either

01:44 <Tank_Master> ouch

01:46 <Soul_keeper> basically everything is pointless, you might as well run boinc at 1% resource use, you'll get the same cpu time right ?

01:46 <PovAddict> yes, if your user processes are using 25%, the CPU time will move 25% slower

01:46 <Soul_keeper> that makes no sense

01:47 <PovAddict> suppose a WU takes 1 hour

01:47 <Soul_keeper> ok ic what you're trying to say

01:47 <MTughan> 1s CPU time means one second with 100% CPU. If a process is using 50% CPU, 1s CPU time takes 2s realtime.

01:47 <PovAddict> if some process uses 50% of your CPU, it will take two hours to finish

01:48 <PovAddict> but in the end, the *CPU* time elapsed will be near 1 hour anyway

01:48 <PovAddict> so same credits for the WU

01:49 <Soul_keeper> ok, but if it takes 1hr to complete at a nice level of 20, and 45min to complete at -20   then i get less credits even tho i did the same work and the cpu was pegged at 98-100% the whole time

01:49 <PovAddict> why less?

01:49 <Soul_keeper> because less time was required

01:49 <MTughan> It still used the same amount of CPU.

01:49 <PovAddict> it uses CPU time, not real time, to calculate credits

01:50 <PovAddict> and SETI uses fixed credits, so the time you took is irrelevant

01:50 <PovAddict> to know how many credits a WU gives

01:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah this credit system doesn't benefit higher priorities

01:50 <PovAddict> which means, if you do it faster, you get the same credits per WU (but more credits per day because you do more WUs a day)

01:50 <PovAddict> so it DOES benefit higher priorities, or whatever you do to make it faster

01:51 <Soul_keeper> on seti yes

01:51 <Soul_keeper> classic*

01:51 <PovAddict> on any current project using fixed credits

01:51 <Soul_keeper> do you have the equation used to calculate boinc credits by any chance ?

01:51 <PovAddict> same credits per WU; but if you do them faster, you do more WUs a day, more credits a day

01:52 <Soul_keeper> well boinc projects don't use fixed credits as far as i know

01:52 <PovAddict> SETI does, lots more do

01:52 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

01:52 <Soul_keeper> you sure it's not based on  cpu time x benchmark   or some junk ?

01:53 <PovAddict> it is, for the rest that don't have fixed credits

01:53 <Soul_keeper> i thought none of them were fixed since boinc started ...

01:54 <PovAddict> when BOINC started, none was fixed... except CPDN, because they can't use benchmarks

01:55 <PovAddict> well, maybe it does use benchmarks... just the credits aren't directly calculated by BOINC like on the rest of the projects

01:55 <Soul_keeper> so if i complete a wcg WU in 6hrs i get the same credits as if i ran it on a lower nice level and finished it in 5hrs ?

01:55 <PovAddict> yes

01:55 <PovAddict> however

01:55 <PovAddict> suppose a wcg WU gives 100 credits

01:56 <PovAddict> if you complete it in 6 hours, you get 100 credits; but you do 28 WUs a week, which are 2800 credits a week

01:56 <Soul_keeper> i'm not sure if you know what you're talking about half the time, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt here :)

01:56 <PovAddict> if you complete it in 5 hours, you get 100 credits per WU; but you do 33 WUs a week, which are 3300 credits a week

01:57 <PovAddict> 100 = completely made up number

01:57 <Soul_keeper> ok

01:57 <PovAddict> I don't really know how much one usually gets for 6 hours of work

01:57 <Soul_keeper> here i was thinking there was no such thing as fixed credit and each WU would give credits based on   benchmark scores from boinc X cpu time   (or some equation with those variables)

01:58 <PovAddict> that's how it works by default

01:58 <Soul_keeper> i like fixed credits much more

01:58 <PovAddict> many projects, if they can, want, and have the time to mess with the numbers, give a fixed number of credits per WU

01:59 <KathrynM> E@H's credits are fixed

01:59 <PovAddict> (the "can" comes from the WU length; projects with highly-varying WU length can't know how many credits to give)

02:00 <Soul_keeper> i'm just running WCG exclusively anymore

02:00 <Soul_keeper> having fun with their  "team challenges"

02:00 <PovAddict> and "fixed" means the credits aren't defined by benchmarks, not that *all* WUs have the *same* credits

02:01 <Soul_keeper> yeah i know

02:01 <PovAddict> if SETI knows (based on the contents of the data to analyze, or what signals were found) a WU takes twice more, it of course gives twice more

02:02 <Soul_keeper> i used to run seti classic, i'd download like 60 WU's and run them at the highest priority at console on systems,  worked really well that way

02:02 <PovAddict> (apparently the science app "gives up" and quits without doing all the normal analysis if it notices there's way too much noise in the recorded radio data)

02:03 <PovAddict> KathrynM: where does BOINC put the data in Fedora? (when installed from yum)

02:04 <Soul_keeper> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/challenge/viewTeamChallenge.do?challengeId=1241      i'm gonna catch the two teams above my team (linuxsociety)

02:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6fgvf7> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

02:04 <KathrynM> /var/lib/boinc

02:04 <KathrynM> as far as I know

02:04 <KathrynM> I don't have it installed from yum

02:04 <PovAddict> thx, updating http://tinyurl.com/5gu8kb

02:04 <Romulus> Title: Testing BOINC !@#&unit states (at tinyurl.com)

02:04 <PovAddict> collecting statistics

02:05 <KathrynM> nice

02:06 <infinisoft> I think I'll make a proof of concept PHP client for my idea cause it'll take me awhile to make an actuall app lol

02:06 <KathrynM> when installing from yum tho, the user account (kathryn in my case) won't be able to get at /var/lib/boinc

02:06 <PovAddict> galaxy :)

02:06 <KathrynM> yup

02:06 <KathrynM> other computer is Nebula

02:06 <KathrynM> old P4 was Ambassador

02:06 <KathrynM> (Star Trek ship classes)

02:06 <PovAddict> damn, you have BRaTS account? >.<

02:07 <Soul_keeper> :)

02:07 <KathrynM> uh huh

02:07 <Soul_keeper> woohoo star trek

02:07 <KathrynM> lol

02:07 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM,  you make me proud to know you

02:08 <KathrynM> why?

02:08 <Soul_keeper> i'll show you

02:08 <KathrynM> uh oh, I think I should be afraid

02:08 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/screenshots/ss08-02-08.jpg

02:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6yvnaj> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

02:09 <KathrynM> nice desktop

02:09 <PovAddict> yay, another submission

02:12 <PovAddict> aww

02:12 <PovAddict> the info I was interested in doesn't get saved to client_state (and that kinda makes sense)

02:23 <PovAddict> I'll have to do something completely different

02:23 <PovAddict> like a Java applet that connects to the client with GUI RPC (will surely have to show a Java security warning in order to do *that*)

02:23 <PovAddict> (just hope I don't have to sign it)

02:24 <PovAddict> and - oh yea - I have no idea how to make an applet :)

02:24 <KathrynM> minor detail

02:25 <PovAddict> if I don't show anything graphical on the applet (blank window), it should be relatively easy

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02:42 <PovAddict> KathrynM: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/applet-test.html

02:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/59wp8b> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080)

02:42 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/nicolas/applet-test.html *

02:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6e9noe> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080)

02:43 <KathrynM> nice job

02:44 <PovAddict> whew, works outside my computer :P

02:45 <KathrynM> :)

03:00 <PovAddict> at first, looks like I need a $200 certificate in order to elevate the privileges of the applet

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03:08 <KathrynM> you have a job :)

03:08 <PovAddict> har har

03:08 * KathrynM starts to write vocab lists for "The Magic Cooking Pot"

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03:14 <PovAddict> I think I managed to get the self-signed cert to work

03:15 <KathrynM> cool

03:15 <PovAddict> try applet-test.html again

03:16 <KathrynM> don't think it's working

03:16 <KathrynM> java.security.AccessControlException:  access denied

03:16 <PovAddict> did it say hello world? did it display any security warning?

03:16 <PovAddict> ahh crap

03:17 <KathrynM> that was in the space where the url usually shows up when you hover over a link

03:17 <KathrynM> in the bottom of the browser

03:17 <PovAddict> there's probably a simple reason why it worked for me... I have the cert installed (for obvious reasons)

03:17 <PovAddict> I had to have it installed to sign the applet

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03:45 <PovAddict> "Note/IE USERS: If you are using garbage for a browser (Internet Explorer comes to mind), you can click here to launch the applet"

03:51 <infinisoft> you should be able to self-sign cert but it will display a warning that the CA isn't trusted

03:51 <PovAddict> that's what I did, you're welcome to test it :)

03:52 <PovAddict> here it doesn't even show a warning, probably because i have the cert installed as trusted (because I created it!)

03:53 <infinisoft> I see it

03:53 <PovAddict> no stupid AccessControlException like KathrynM got?

03:53 <infinisoft> nope

03:53 <PovAddict> good

03:53 <infinisoft> Hello world, with black border

03:54 <PovAddict> I shall investigate more tomorrow then

03:54 <PovAddict> guess what time it is :D

03:54 <infinisoft> early morning? :P

03:55 <PovAddict> 4:55am

03:55 <PovAddict> aka "silly o'clock"

03:56 * PovAddict collapses

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04:20 <CoderForLife> morning

04:20 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 65.5F / 18.6C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south in the (1 more message)

04:20 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

04:20 <CoderForLife> &more

04:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: afternoon.;

04:21 <KathrynM> Have nice Coding dreams?

04:21 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

04:21 <CoderForLife> dreamed about house problems - as if I don't have enough, I manufacture new scenarios

04:22 <KathrynM> :(

04:24 <CoderForLife> ah, the subtle workings of the human brain

04:24 <KathrynM> a mystery for sure

04:25 <CoderForLife> yup - it spends all night  trying to sort trhough and make sense of the junk that gets thrown at it each day

04:43 * CoderForLife works a bit on the patio drawing

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05:10 <sacarde> hi

05:10 <sacarde> di you know if setiathome.berekeley.edu is down ?

05:11 <KathrynM> I can get to the website, and the server status is all green.

05:12 <sacarde> I have access error

05:14 <KathrynM> exact error message please

05:16 <sacarde> no no

05:16 <sacarde> I wrong

05:16 <sacarde> but I dont download any worksunit for seti

05:18 <sacarde> I dont know why

05:19 <sacarde> I have 2 project

05:19 <sacarde> on linux-ppc

05:19 <sacarde> simap and seti

05:19 <sacarde> for simat I know there arent any project workunit

05:19 <sacarde> but seti.....

05:21 <sacarde> I dont know

05:22 <KathrynM> Sorry, I don't run Seti.

05:22 <KathrynM> You can try asking on their boards.

05:22 <CoderForLife> breakfast   brb

05:32 <sacarde> who is running seti ?

05:37 <KathrynM> this is awesome http://www.hemmy.net/2008/08/02/ode-to-joy-meep-meep-meep/

05:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/69zdhr> (at www.hemmy.net)

05:39 <CoderForLife> I love Beaker

05:40 <KathrynM> Beaker rocks

05:40 <CoderForLife> the swimsuit ad isn't half-bad either

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05:48 * CoderForLife watches Beaker YouTubes, and laughs till he cries

05:48 <KathrynM> you need a good laugh

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07:18 <quail> &wx ypad

07:19 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

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07:29 <CoderForLife> &dict escarpment

07:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: escarpment n 1: a long steep slope or cliff at the edge of a plateau or ridge; usually formed by erosion [syn: {scarp}] 2: a steep artificial slope in front of a fortification [syn: {escarp}, {scarp}, {protective embankment}]; gcide: Escarpment \Es*carp"ment\, n. [Cf. F. escarpement.] A steep descent or declivity; steep face or edge of a ridge; (3 more messages)

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07:55 <sacarde> hi

07:55 <sacarde> someone run seti ?

07:56 <CoderForLife> many do

07:57 <sacarde> may be I found no work for this project ?

07:57 <CoderForLife> looking

07:58 <CoderForLife> I have about 10 WUs downloaded and waiting to run

07:58 <CoderForLife> ah, no new Linux tasks

07:58 <sacarde> yes, linux

07:59 <CoderForLife> yup - none available currently

07:59 <CoderForLife> I'm requesting 129600 seconds, got 0

07:59 <sacarde> first time that I havent found any task for seti !

07:59 <KathrynM> they don't use HR, so I'd say it's project wide

08:00 <CoderForLife> it happens

08:00 <sacarde> what is HR ?

08:00 <CoderForLife> I got a bunch waiting for 'doze

08:00 <KathrynM> homogeneous redundancy

08:00 <KathrynM> means they match on OS or OS/processor

08:01 * KathrynM waits for firefox to load

08:01 <KathrynM> :/

08:01 * CoderForLife continues with Appenix A of the contract

08:01 <KathrynM> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

08:01 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

08:02 <KathrynM> Results ready to send is 0

08:02 <KathrynM> that's 50 minutes out of date tho

08:02 <CoderForLife> Q.E.D.

08:03 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.

08:03 <Romulus> Title: Q.E.D. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

08:14 * KathrynM packs her bag for w*@& tomorrow

08:14 <KathrynM> that first day back from vacation is always a killer

08:14 <CoderForLife> leaving town?

08:14 <CoderForLife> running away?

08:14 <KathrynM> I can't take it anymore!

08:14 <CoderForLife> oh *for* w@#%, not *because of*

08:14 * KathrynM runs around in circles waving her arms

08:14 <CoderForLife> lol

08:15 * KathrynM notes the apartment is a small place

08:15 * CoderForLife notes path cut into floor

08:15 <KathrynM> lol

08:16 * CoderForLife tries to find Headers/Footers in Word 2007

08:16 <CoderForLife> MS is in a downward death spiral, and is taking western civilization with it

08:17 * CoderForLife finally finds it - 5 minutes lost

08:17 <KathrynM> I've not seen the new UI

08:18 <KathrynM> But I've heard plenty of complaints about it

08:18 <CoderForLife> It's like Medusa

08:20 * CoderForLife throws a MS-sucks-for-changing-things fit

08:21 * KathrynM gives the boinc scheduler the evil eye... switching out a wu with 20 seconds to go just sux

08:23 <CoderForLife> beverage time - brb

08:24 <xcamel> mornin

08:25 <CoderForLife> hello Jay - brb

08:26 <xcamel> switching out a wu with 20 seconds to go seems to be the way boinc/dev wants thins to work (stupid or not)

08:26 <xcamel> I agree it sux

08:27 <KathrynM> now I have 3 wus within 10 minutes of finishing and the scheduler decided to start two brand new e@h

08:28 <KathrynM> oh well

08:31 <xcamel> exactly

08:31 <xcamel> suspend them

08:34 * KathrynM hates her isp

08:34 <KathrynM> I used to be able to put something in the url bar in firefox and have it search google

08:34 <KathrynM> now it gets routed to some korean site

08:34 <KathrynM> also screws with my system mail

08:35 <KathrynM> crap.  I'm going to bed

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09:04 <CoderForLife> working outside - bbl

09:04 * CoderForLife sees he is away

09:45 <quail> &wx ypad

09:45 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

09:45 <quail> 'evening all

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11:14 <SlashV> I would like to see benchmark result from systems with the same CPU. Is there anyway to do that ?

11:32 <xcamel> never seen any...

11:32 <nickuwo> the bench marks are pretty standard... just search for "whetstone database"

11:33 <nickuwo> or maybe just whetstone

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12:01 <SlashV> nickuwo: curiously that hardly returns anything useful

12:01 <nickuwo> hmm

12:02 <xcamel> mostly because dry/whet are sooooo friggin old

12:03 <SlashV> Real pity this functionality is not readily available in boinc..

12:04 <SlashV> .. after all fine tuning your system is fun :)

12:05 <SlashV> .. and trying to beat a Q6600 with a T2080 is ridiculous.

12:05 <xcamel> 'tinkering' is the last thing the devs seem to want

12:05 <SlashV> I don't want to tinker, just see how my machine performs against others.

12:09 <nickuwo> well... you could always run newer benchmarks... might be more along the lines of what you want anyway

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12:16 <SlashV> not really

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12:19 <SlashV> to get down to it. I saw a computer profile with a similar T2080 with double the whetstone as mine...

12:19 <SlashV> I wonder what is going on. So I'd like to see more T2080's performance

12:20 * PovAddict pops in

12:20 * KathrynM notes she can't sleep

12:21 <SlashV> KathrynM: any particular reason ?

12:22 <KathrynM> stuff on my mind

12:22 <SlashV> ah

12:23 <SlashV> get rid of it ;)

12:23 <KathrynM> if it were only that easy

12:23 <SlashV> sry, silly advice

12:23 <KathrynM> no biggie.  I'm the queen of insomnia

12:25 <SlashV> When I lie awake I always think about getting up and doing some more work at the computer...

12:25 <SlashV> ... usually the thought alone is sufficient ;)

12:25 <KathrynM> lol

12:25 <desti> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

12:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5ov94h> (at www.boston.com)

12:26 <KathrynM> did you guys see the lhc rap?

12:29 <CoderForLife> yes, thanks to you =)

12:29 <KathrynM> lol

12:30 <SlashV> brilliant

12:35 <PovAddict> SlashV: stats sites don't show benchmarks, but they *are* exported from projects

12:38 <PovAddict> KathrynM:

12:39 <KathrynM> yessssssssssssssssss

12:39 <PovAddict> I can hear ode to joy in my mind now

12:39 <PovAddict> with meeps

12:39 <KathrynM> lol

12:39 * KathrynM is evil

12:41 <PovAddict> "basic handling of conflicts in case of concurrent edits" woo! now that's a useful new feature

12:41 <PovAddict> (new Trac)

12:41 <PovAddict> "The [[PageOutline]] macro now works as expected in preview mode" \o/ I was once saving into SandBox instead of previewing because pageoutline in the preview is useless

12:42 <PovAddict> "Major usability enhancement for the CC: field" oooo probably fixed for usernames with spaces? Jord will want to know that :)

12:48 <KathrynM> did David upgrade Trac?

12:48 <PovAddict> nope

12:48 <PovAddict> &bticket 711

12:48 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/711

12:49 <KathrynM> ah

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12:56 <CoderForLife> hi-ho over the hill I go to look at drain locations - bbl hopefully

12:57 <KathrynM> don't fall down the hill

12:57 * KathrynM turns the a/c back on and attempts to sleep

12:57 * CoderForLife disappears over the escarpment

13:00 <PovAddict> "Nobody wants developers to reinvent the wheel (again), but reading about how a wheel works is a poor substitute for the experience of driving around on a few wheels of your own creation."

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13:13 <Didactylos> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/15729

13:13 <PovAddict> there's more than one hole like that

13:14 <PovAddict> kinda strange

13:14 <PovAddict> doesn't show in svn log, svn diff -c 15729 gives an empty diff

13:16 <PovAddict> oh wait, that's a big one

13:16 <PovAddict> like three revisions in a row, not just one

13:18 <PovAddict> Didactylos: http://pastebin.com/d6429b9a8

13:19 <PovAddict> maybe he screwed up when making the branch and used some SVN admin command on the server to undo the change

13:19 <PovAddict> also, Rom still writes the changed filenames in the log?!

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14:14 <PovAddict> w00t! http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/nicolas/applet-test.html

14:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6e9noe> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080)

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14:25 <Didactylos> Fail.

14:44 <quail> &wx ypad

14:44 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 4:00 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.;

14:44 <quail> morning all

14:56 <PovAddict> Didactylos: what failed?

15:08 * Soul_keeper slaps Didactylos

15:23 <Didactylos> Loading Java Applet Failed...

15:25 <Soul_keeper> works here ...

15:27 <Didactylos> What is it supposed to do?

15:27 <Tank_Master> loading of java failed: No bean counters found

15:28 <PovAddict> Didactylos: connects to BOINC GUI RPC port and tries a simple request

15:28 <PovAddict> took me a while to figure out how to self-sign the jar

15:34 <zombie67> 403 Forbidden (Insufficient permissions to access changeset 15729)

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15:34 <PovAddict> the changeset actually doesn't exist, which is quite weird

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15:35 <AFLAC> Quack All

15:35 <xcamel> 'lo Duck

15:35 <AFLAC> J

15:36 <AFLAC> HOT, in the shade here

15:36 <AFLAC> Bums http://www.dailytech.com/FCC+Officially+Condemns+Comcast+for+Data+Discrimination/article12504.htm

15:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5abg6a> (at www.dailytech.com)

15:37 <xcamel> part of the heat wave?

15:38 <AFLAC> Yes I am cooking Duck

15:38 <AFLAC> Star gone Nova http://www.dailytech.com/Star+Goes+Nova+in+Our+Galaxy+and+No+One+Noticed/article12495.htm

15:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5gngl9> (at www.dailytech.com)

15:39 <AFLAC> Was your car yet J?

15:39 <AFLAC> &seen zeeno

15:39 <Romulus> AFLAC: zeeno was last seen in #boinc 4 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Zeeno> &more

15:40 <AFLAC> &seen thegasgiant

15:40 <Romulus> AFLAC: thegasgiant was last seen in #boinc 2 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <TheGasGiant> got me a Q9450 on order...due any day

15:41 <AFLAC> Microsoft Tricks Diehard XP Users http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Tricks+Diehard+XP+Users+Into+Liking+Vista+with+Mojave+Ruse/article12509.htm

15:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6n6soj> (at www.dailytech.com)

15:45 <quail> well the 2.6.26 kernel seems pretty sweet

15:45 * PovAddict doesn't see any differences upgrading kernel

15:46 <PovAddict> I keep up-to-date though

15:46 <quail> PovAddict: my wifi lot better

15:46 <PovAddict> ah with such hardware I'm not surprised it's still improving

15:46 <PovAddict> great

15:48 <PovAddict> Didactylos: no details on why it failed?

15:48 * AFLAC Goes to check kernel

15:49 <Didactylos> Applet MainApplet notinited

15:50 <quail> PovAddict: and suspend to ram seems to be alot faster with this kernel

15:51 <quail> but still have very high system load coming out of suspend and hybernate tho

15:51 <quail> hibernate

15:52 <quail> and my wifi led is working to, I think it is going to annoy me tho as it blinks now on tx or rx

15:55 <AFLAC> 2.6.27 in Suse v11

15:56 <PovAddict> I have .24

15:56 <PovAddict> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux

15:56 <quail> 2.6.26-1 is in Debian unstable

15:57 * quail runs a Debian mix of testing / unstable

15:57 <quail> but my default is Debian testing

15:58 <quail> and install stuff from unstable like this >>> # apt-get install -t unstable linux-image-2.6.26-1-686

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16:00 <_Danilo_> hi all

16:02 <quail> _Danilo_: hi

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16:30 <zombie67> look at my daily graph:  http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

16:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2p6k3h> (at boincstats.com)

16:30 <zombie67> in the past week or so, I have had 2 negative days.

16:30 <zombie67> normally, I would assume a split CPID

16:30 <Soul_keeper> who here rather watch MXC than the X games ?

16:31 <zombie67> but I am attached to all projects all the time.

16:31 <PovAddict> ok... time to open a hundred browser tabs and watch it explode

16:32 <zombie67> I do that all the time

16:32 <PovAddict> this time I mean it literally

16:32 <PovAddict> one tab per project you're attached to :)

16:32 <zombie67> I have all the foums bookmarked, and open them all at once, at least once a dat

16:33 <zombie67> there is around a hundered forums

16:33 * Soul_keeper claps for the channel, then leaves

16:34 <PovAddict> hmm browser using only 440MB of RAM

16:35 <quail> eeep PovAddict

16:39 <efc> Its the Hummer Browser

16:40 <PovAddict> now taking over a minute to Close All Tabs

16:50 <Soul_keeper> bla

16:50 <Soul_keeper> the head just killed my 50 day uptime on my laptop ...

16:51 <Tank_Master> heh yeah

16:51 <Soul_keeper> heat*

16:51 <PovAddict> heat crash?

16:51 <Tank_Master> winamp's insistance on not giving you a chioce for it NOT be the default program just ruened my 2 week nonstop streaming time

16:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah got me a kernel panic and what not

16:52 <Tank_Master> I opened a file thinking WMP would launch, but winamp did instead...

16:52 <Soul_keeper> maybe it would have been alright if i hadn't used rmmod -f   but i got angry

16:52 <Tank_Master> frikin default settings

16:53 <Tank_Master> lol

16:53 <Soul_keeper> so i'll blame the heat

16:53 <Tank_Master> not the pebkac?

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17:11 <AFLAC> HI BiteAbleKat et all

17:11 <AFLAC> &beer

17:11 <Romulus> Here's your beer, AFLAC... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

17:12 <AFLAC> &wx 30303

17:12 <Romulus> AFLAC: Temperature: 90.6F / 32.6C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 70. Light and variable winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 90s. West winds up to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds.;

17:12 <efc3> moo

17:12 <AFLAC> Hi efc

17:12 <AFLAC> Quack

17:14 <AFLAC> Turn Your iPhone Into a Wireless Modem  http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/08/tutorial-turn-1.html

17:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6m35mw> (at blog.wired.com)

17:14 <AFLAC> NO I do not have an iPhone

17:15 <BiteAbleKat> any phone can be a wireless modem if it can get online

17:16 <AFLAC> RAZR does

17:17 <BiteAbleKat> my motorolla q had modem capabilities

17:17 <AFLAC> kool

17:18 <BiteAbleKat> companies dont usually like you using them as a modem though

17:18 <AFLAC> Segway Killer: The Winglet  http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/08/toyota-announce.html

17:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5wvz22> (at blog.wired.com)

17:19 <AFLAC> Looks like it will polish your shoes too ;-)

17:20 <quail> kde 4.1 looks sweet >>> http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=824

17:20 <Romulus> Title: [ vizZzion.org :: Going wild with KDE 4.1 themes. ] (at vizzzion.org)

17:21 <quail> and I am not a kde fan

17:21 * AFLAC Gone for a swim...

17:21 <PovAddict> I tried some 4.x and it honestly looked like 3.5 with a new theme and app menu

17:21 <PovAddict> might have been an old one

17:22 * quail runs gnome

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18:36 <SlashV> PovAddict: So with some xml (?) parsing or so I should be able to get some benchmark data. Thanks.

18:36 * SlashV off to bed

18:36 <PovAddict> SlashV: yes, but note SETI's is like 2GB of XML :)

18:36 <PovAddict> (once uncompressed)

18:36 <SlashV> ok

18:36 <PovAddict> bye

18:36 <SlashV> np

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18:41 <quail> this might interest some of you >>> http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/86

18:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/653at5> (at quail.southernvaleslug.org)

18:44 * quail finally got around to writing a quick howto for it, as I had to explain it to a friend how to run debian testing (default) and being able to install packages from the unstable repository

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18:57 * Rookie_69 sticks his nose in for a minute before heading for bed.

18:58 <xcamel> lol

19:02 <Rookie_69> I was racing on a boat yesterday and will be again tomorrow where somebody put the shrouds, spreaders and radar in exactly all the wrong places...

19:04 <Rookie_69> Almost have to furl the jib in order to tack.

19:06 <Rookie_69> In fact, maybe I should mention that...

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19:20 <xcamel> not very well rigged, eh?

19:21 <Rookie_69> Somebody forgot to think it out... or meant to use a smaller jib maybe.

19:22 <Rookie_69> The radar Dome is definitely ill thought out.

19:22 <xcamel> more likely the wrong sized jib

19:24 <Rookie_69> And it's a heavy boat meant for cruising... not a race boat.

19:26 <Rookie_69> We tried to do a 360 to kill some momentum at one start and the boat just parked. We were late across the start line that time.

19:26 <xcamel> lol

19:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 96.4F / 35.8C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Sunny. South wind 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 70s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Highest heat index readings 104 to 109 in the evening.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Hot and humid. High in the mid 90s. South (1 more message)

19:27 <wdsmia> &more

19:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 10 mph. Highest heat index readings 100 to 105 in the afternoon.; Heat Advisory for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on August 04, 2008;

19:27 <xcamel> damn.. that's hot.

19:27 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

19:27 <wdsmia> yes it is

19:27 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 66.0°F / 18.9°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h | Updated: 8:27 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain at times heavy with the risk of a thundershower. Amount 20 to 30 mm(0.8 to 1.2 in) except locally 40 mm(1.6 in) in areas of heaviest rain. Fog patches spreading inland. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 (2 more messages)

19:27 <PovAddict> o_O

19:27 <Rookie_69> &more

19:27 <Romulus> Rookie_69: mph). Low 16C(61F).; Monday - Showers with the risk of a thundershower. Amount 5 to 10 mm(0.2 to 0.4 in). Fog patches retreating to the coast. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph). High 21C(70F). UV index 3 or moderate. Monday night showers. Risk of a thundershower in the evening. Amount 2 to 4 mm. Fog patches spreading inland. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 16C(61F).; (1 more message)

19:27 <Rookie_69> &more

19:27 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Tuesday - Showers. High 20C(68F).;

19:27 <xcamel> 68 here

19:27 <PovAddict> wdsmia: what time is it there?

19:28 <wdsmia> 6:30 pm

19:28 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

19:28 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 74°F / 23°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Chance of Rain. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:75 F. / 24 C.;

19:29 <Rookie_69> I guess I get wet again tomorrow.

19:29 <quail> 'morning KathrynM and all

19:29 <quail> &wx ypad

19:29 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 8:30 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Overcast. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 (1 more message)

19:30 <quail> &more

19:30 <Romulus> quail: C.;

19:31 <PovAddict> was SETI down recently?

19:31 <xcamel> might have been

19:31 <CoderForLife> no work today, at least for awhile

19:31 <xcamel> earlier..

19:31 <quail> CoderForLife: nice

19:31 <CoderForLife> nice?

19:32 <quail> no w#$%

19:32 <CoderForLife> no SETI WUs

19:32 <Rookie_69> Lol

19:32 <xcamel> cfl - your deck/patio plan is sharp

19:33 <PovAddict> ready to send 1200

19:33 <PovAddict> that's low!

19:33 <quail> oh, I have couple hours of seti wu's left

19:33 <CoderForLife> hey thx xcamel - working within the 300 sq ft

19:33 <CoderForLife> I'll do a radial pattern in the circular area

19:33 <quail> damn this stupid website will not load for me >>> http://www.bestadsontv.com/

19:34 <Rookie_69> I still say put in a culvert and level it off...

19:34 <PovAddict> so SETI gives "no work from project" atm?

19:34 * CoderForLife incorporates MD5 hash into his C Code

19:35 <quail> PovAddict: looks to be that seti be out of work >>> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

19:35 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

19:36 <PovAddict> that's what I thought, only 1300 WUs 20 minutes ago means it's probably dry by now

19:36 <quail> PovAddict: well maybe anyway as that 20 min old info

19:36 <quail> yep

19:37 <CoderForLife> new pics coming of gutter drain piping

19:38 <quail> CoderForLife: I have not seen the other ones :-P

19:38 <CoderForLife> from the "abyss adventure" this afternoon

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19:39 <CoderForLife> damn Miranda tab bug

19:39 <CoderForLife> you saw all the pics I've posted so far quail

19:39 * Rookie_69 wanders off to bed...

19:40 <Rookie_69> NN.

19:40 <KathrynM> welcome back CoderForLife

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19:41 <CoderForLife> thx KathrynM

19:44 <quail> w0w this interest >>> http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Blog/Cycling/sydney_drivers.html

19:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5vonv8> (at www.mega-nerd.com)

19:45 * quail thinks Sydney drivers need to take a chill pill and slow down

19:45 * KathrynM catches up on the seti drama

19:47 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: report it http://bugs.miranda-im.org/

19:47 <Romulus> Title: My View - Miranda IM - Bug Tracker (at bugs.miranda-im.org)

19:47 <PovAddict> I did a quick search and didn't find it already reported

19:48 <CoderForLife> I'm special, I guess, PovAddict

19:48 <CoderForLife> I can't say what series of events causes it

19:49 <CoderForLife> just sometimes  >kaflooey<

19:49 <KathrynM> kaflooey?

19:49 <KathrynM> a technical term?

19:50 <CoderForLife> yeah, been used here in the past

19:50 <KathrynM> <---------- breakfast

19:50 <CoderForLife> it's a combination of *kaboom*, and the sound a jack-in-the-box spring makes

19:54 * quail has 12 seti WUs left :-/

19:57 <CoderForLife> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/go_kaflooey

19:57 <Romulus> Title: go kaflooey - Wiktionary (at en.wiktionary.org)

19:58 <Tank_Master> HTML = How To Make Love...

19:58 <quail> o.0

19:59 <Tank_Master> &cyborg HTML

19:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: H.T.M.L.: Hazardous Troubleshooting and Mathematics Lifeform

19:59 <efc3> i like your first version better

19:59 <Tank_Master> same here

20:02 <efc3> Going out to run for near-death experiences

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20:19 <KathrynM> <-------  w@*^

20:19 <CoderForLife> sowwy

20:19 <CoderForLife> tc

20:19 <CoderForLife> caution - don't press any tab keys

20:26 <quail> CoderForLife: ok

20:28 * quail feels sick from lack of sleep and to much caffeine

20:28 <CoderForLife> I'm off to get my beauty rest - and I need tons of it

20:28 <quail> oh oh look >>> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html <<< no WUs

20:28 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

20:29 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders

20:34 <quail> CoderForLife: night night

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21:14 <efc3> just over 8 minutes a mile for 3.8 miles now. but about dead.

21:17 <efc3> 8:02 per mile

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22:04 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

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22:05 <wdsmia> &more

22:05 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy with a 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low around 70. Southeast wind near 5 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight. Highest heat index readings 100 to 102 in the evening.; Heat Advisory for Polk County in effect until 7:00 PM CDT on August 04, 2008;

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23:30 <PovAddict> sleep -->

23:31 * Soul_keeper claps

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